Blackfyre Rebellions: House Targaryen’s greatest enemies

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  • Опубликовано: 28 мар 2024
  • In the Game of Thrones books, the Blackfyres were the greatest enemies of House Targaryen for a hundred years. What happened in the Blackfyre Rebellions and the War of the Ninepenny Kings? Why did Daemon Blackfyre rebel against King Daeron II? How were Bittersteel, Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar involved? Is Young Griff a Blackfyre? What do the Blackfyre Rebellions mean for the fate of the Iron Throne and Westeros in the end of ASOIAF?
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    0:00 Aegon IV and Daemon
    2:51 King Daeron
    04:37 Bittersteel and Bloodraven
    06:29 First Rebellion
    08:34 Second Rebellion
    10:34 Third Rebellion
    12:01 Great Council
    15:01 Fourth Rebellion
    16:15 Ninepenny Kings
    19:11 Young Griff
    23:34 Slayer of Lies
    25:59 Green King

Комментарии • 3,5 тыс.

  • @benny_boy19
    @benny_boy19 3 года назад +17571

    I swear I know more about the Targaryen dynasty than real history at this point

    • @sithmaster4305
      @sithmaster4305 3 года назад +741

      It certainly helps in books there's no radical revisionists that can talk back to you in real life. Its just the print, and what you can get from it.

    • @Twxvkvr
      @Twxvkvr 3 года назад +109

      @@sithmaster4305 facts

    • @FranciscoPerez-it7rv
      @FranciscoPerez-it7rv 3 года назад +51

      Happens to the best of us

    • @Davida_S
      @Davida_S 3 года назад +13

      Same

    • @blackstar_3604
      @blackstar_3604 3 года назад +17

      I guess you really do know nothing

  • @starwarsnerd100
    @starwarsnerd100 3 года назад +13257

    "So Bittersteel was bitter". This is the kind of deep analysis and critical thinking that keeps me coming back to this channel lol.

    • @Trustworthy_McLegitimate
      @Trustworthy_McLegitimate 3 года назад +649

      Homeless Harry is homeless

    • @ericstaples7220
      @ericstaples7220 3 года назад +221

      Some say he is also made of steel.

    • @Harry-ju8yw
      @Harry-ju8yw 3 года назад +48

      @@Trustworthy_McLegitimatehome is where your rump rests

    • @smartiejl
      @smartiejl 3 года назад +156

      Halfman is half the size of a man...

    • @amaninatree6414
      @amaninatree6414 3 года назад +109

      The mad king is well mad lol

  • @bigbean1627
    @bigbean1627 Год назад +2598

    The fact that Egg named one of his kids “Duncan the small” after Duncan the tall has to be the best detail in the entire series

    • @justink5000
      @justink5000 Год назад +91

      it's for sure the sweetest detail!

    • @kevinneutzling8267
      @kevinneutzling8267 10 месяцев назад +59

      Pity that son turned out to be so shortsighted and caused so many problems for his family.

    • @skeletonbuyingpealts7134
      @skeletonbuyingpealts7134 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@kevinneutzling8267 He didn't fuck his sister, that monster

    • @turtleguyfan
      @turtleguyfan 9 месяцев назад +45

      @@kevinneutzling8267 just like his namesake. Man Egg really just knew that name would be perfect

    • @rubyfunnyfox
      @rubyfunnyfox 4 месяца назад

      Pp8p

  • @Austin123.
    @Austin123. Год назад +2778

    Think we can all agree that George RR Martin is probably one of the coolest people when it comes to things like this. He's created a world filled with drama and history over hundreds of years.

    • @Higginsis
      @Higginsis Год назад +207

      There's only really Tolkien who has done it better, having done the same but over millennia. But even then Tolkien's writing is more like the Bible, where as GRRM writes like modern historians.

    • @danhaggerty847
      @danhaggerty847 Год назад +28

      Most of its just ripped from actual history

    • @michealpickering7444
      @michealpickering7444 Год назад +167

      ​@@danhaggerty847 like most fantasy buddy.

    • @Umkarz
      @Umkarz Год назад +6

      The Epic of High Lord Ambatakum was especially poignant.

    • @alanda2724
      @alanda2724 Год назад +9

      @@danhaggerty847 and most of Tolkien is just illogical craddle-stories

  • @TheTfrules
    @TheTfrules 3 года назад +3049

    That virgin vs chad format had me rolling with laughter

  • @AC8X
    @AC8X 3 года назад +5689

    Fun fact: Robert Baratheon and Rhaegar Targaryen were literally second cousins. Robert’s Rebellion was kind of just another familial civil war.

    • @redrave404
      @redrave404 3 года назад +845

      That's pretty much every civil war during feudalism. It's the reasons the Ottoman Sultans slaughtered all their siblings when they inherited the throne.

    • @PiratesRock
      @PiratesRock 3 года назад +333

      @@redrave404 After a while, they just house arrest their siblings in these buildings and palaces. So, if the current Sultan died without any (male) heirs or the kid in question is on the young side, at least you have a couple of appropriately aged 'spares.' Also on the plus side, not many people want to commit familicide, even if it's for the 'good' of the realm, so this was a 'compromise' of sorts.

    • @PiratesRock
      @PiratesRock 3 года назад +216

      @delli delli Sure, it’s not a Perfect System but by the 1600s, The Power base of Istanbul were getting sick of seeing/hearing about the News of how their new Sultan killed their helpless little brothers. Fratercide, as an official state policy, just doesn’t fly anymore by the 17th century.

    • @helafed
      @helafed 2 года назад +103

      This conversation is strangely interesting

    • @PiratesRock
      @PiratesRock 2 года назад +34

      @@helafed indeed.

  • @kevinavelar3284
    @kevinavelar3284 Год назад +1716

    I completely buy into Young Griff being a Blackfire. It just makes so much more sense than him actually being Aegon.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je Год назад +158

      And it would've been better if (unlike Joffrey) Griff knows he's a Blackfyre, but is pretending to be a Targaryen to not get himself killed, we saw how Robert reacted when he knew that Dany was pregnant, imagine how he would react if he discovered that his best friend/Hand of the King and his Master of Whisperers were hiding a Targaryen prince and a Blackfyre pretender behind his back!

    • @buzzkill36
      @buzzkill36 Год назад +71

      @@PedroLucas-mg5je Targaryen or Blackfyre I don't care man...I want them back on the throne

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je Год назад +170

      @@buzzkill36 "Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon" - Illyrio Mopatis

    • @buzzkill36
      @buzzkill36 Год назад +44

      @@PedroLucas-mg5je hell yeah...I want the dragons back... Enough of these usurpers acting tough

    • @BirrDetonator1989
      @BirrDetonator1989 Год назад +27

      I fucking want griff to be Aegon so bad

  • @femkev.5245
    @femkev.5245 Год назад +1951

    Hearing the theory of Bran becoming king as a puppet of the Three-Eyed Raven makes me think that George told D&D, "Bran will be king in the end," but didn't elaborate beyond that.

    • @markushaahr9194
      @markushaahr9194 Год назад +208

      Yeah, that would explain alot. Kinda feel bad for D&D but also angry that they couldn’t just get the agency to write their own story they thought would fit.

    • @mohdshahariar5833
      @mohdshahariar5833 Год назад +32

      Bran being king is probably best ending, but being a puppet is honestly a turn off

    • @operatorwc684
      @operatorwc684 Год назад +215

      @@mohdshahariar5833 how is that a good ending?

    • @mohdshahariar5833
      @mohdshahariar5833 Год назад +11

      @@operatorwc684 No one will likely be king, there is a high chance of a long term peace era, that is if Bran is of conscious mind

    • @AmbrosiusIII
      @AmbrosiusIII Год назад +125

      @@mohdshahariar5833 I've always preferred the theory that Bran will become increasingly evil and depraved in his quest to get the Iron Throne and he's basically unrecognizable by the end

  • @Man-O-Little-Tan
    @Man-O-Little-Tan 3 года назад +2801

    House targaryen: "no one can defeat me"
    House targaryen but slightly different: "think again"

    • @faisalkamal4319
      @faisalkamal4319 Год назад +60

      Robert Baratheon be are you sure about that

    • @faisalkamal4319
      @faisalkamal4319 Год назад +158

      House Targaryen but in dark mode

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 Год назад +16

      @@faisalkamal4319 Targaryen but dark mode

    • @MMALife818
      @MMALife818 Год назад +32

      More like house Targaryen - only I can defeat me

    • @townsongs
      @townsongs Год назад +24

      they did say the only thing that can bring down the house of the dragon is itself

  • @c.w.simpsonproductions1230
    @c.w.simpsonproductions1230 Год назад +2337

    The Targaryens’ greatest enemy was always themselves. The Dance of the Dragons, the Blackfyre Rebellions, Robert’s Rebellion, the inevitable Dany/Faegon conflict. Their lust for power was always their undoing, even at the brink of extinction.

    • @mschell8022
      @mschell8022 Год назад +46

      Brilliantly well put

    • @mohdshahariar5833
      @mohdshahariar5833 Год назад +161

      Not only their lust for power, their irresponsible actions have caused major damage, in fact many kings and their heirs were irresponsible, which is why there was so much chaos.

    • @itsgonnabeanaurfromme
      @itsgonnabeanaurfromme Год назад +18

      You don't say? Almost as if that's the points of their conflicts in the story.

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 Год назад +67

      A house divided cannot stand

    • @denorjigalaxen9230
      @denorjigalaxen9230 Год назад +10

      @@merrittanimation7721 true

  • @rizkymubaroq3025
    @rizkymubaroq3025 2 года назад +1109

    Gotta give it to Golden Company for staying loyal to their commitment of putting a Blackfyre on the throne

    • @KumaMishima
      @KumaMishima Год назад +130

      Well, their word _is_ as good as gold.

    • @dafuqmr13
      @dafuqmr13 Год назад +11

      well they are mercenary, as long you pay them they will be loyal

    • @chiraggoyal6265
      @chiraggoyal6265 Год назад +86

      @@dafuqmr13 they are loyal to Blackfyre not for money

    • @isiaharellano3789
      @isiaharellano3789 Год назад +61

      I think it's more driven by Bittersteel's hatred for Bloodraven and the fact that he felt cucked by Bloodraven for having Shiera Seastar 😂😂😂😂

    • @Miuranger1
      @Miuranger1 11 месяцев назад +11

      Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood. I say no more."

  • @theletterm5425
    @theletterm5425 3 года назад +1941

    "Duncan The Small, who is probably named after Duncan The Tall" Another solid theory!

    • @szbszig
      @szbszig 2 года назад +9

      Theory? I thought it was a well-known fact.

    • @Habesh778
      @Habesh778 2 года назад +116

      @@szbszig you missed the joke

    • @Commanber
      @Commanber 2 года назад +39

      Big if true!

    • @cheeseisjar3058
      @cheeseisjar3058 2 года назад +6

      @@Shadriand wow maybe George should make some prequels about this!

    • @alec6583
      @alec6583 2 года назад +19

      George R.R. Martin has been surprisingly quiet on this. No bullshit, it's actually _not_ confirmed.
      EDIT: I mean he's been asked specifically and refused to confirm or deny if Duncan the Small is named after Duncan the Tall.

  • @danejohnson9906
    @danejohnson9906 3 года назад +2246

    It’s funny how Robert is technically still Aegon the Conqueror’s descendant in that opening

  • @kal8621
    @kal8621 Год назад +377

    Damn. even 50 years after his age Daemon was revered as 'the wonder and the terror of his age'
    GOALS.

    • @sarveshmunde9846
      @sarveshmunde9846 6 месяцев назад +1

      Dam straight 😎

    • @pushista9322
      @pushista9322 3 месяца назад

      It's funny how people admire criminals and tyrant that don't threaten them. Those same people praise Tywin and condemn Stalin, lol

    • @rd0676
      @rd0676 2 месяца назад +4

      Everyone else can keep their Mannis we’ve got a Rogue Prince 🎵

  • @EB-dz1gd
    @EB-dz1gd Год назад +561

    The fact that Quentyn Ball joined Daemon the moment he didn't have his way shows how wise Daeron was to not accept him to kingsguard.

    • @yeahey5947
      @yeahey5947 Год назад +10

      Yea I’m just 😊😊

    • @Mari-pf3cm
      @Mari-pf3cm 11 месяцев назад +47

      The dude sent his wife to the silent sisters based on the promise of it. I couldn’t feel bad for him after that

    • @Abysalss
      @Abysalss 5 месяцев назад +11

      I mean he was literally promised a spot and divorced his wife and she had to join a religious order of silent nun/morticians to take his promised spot and then daeron became king and changed his mind on his fathers offer

    • @Kondoor249
      @Kondoor249 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@Abysalssyou can't really call it changing his mind when it wasn't his offer. Sure, certain obligations must be honored by the next of kin, but I don't think you can really hold him to this one

    • @Abysalss
      @Abysalss 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Kondoor249 I guess changing his mind isn’t the right offer but more rescinded his fathers offer

  • @nervosuu
    @nervosuu 3 года назад +992

    Maelys truly has the strength of one man... and one baby

    • @jovial.milieu
      @jovial.milieu 3 года назад +22

      Lol that reminded me of Dwight from The Office

    • @ahmyakm9176
      @ahmyakm9176 2 года назад +2

      I DIED HSHSUSGSYS

    • @palindrome2599
      @palindrome2599 2 года назад +6

      Underrated comment... even tho ASX rated it.

    • @faisalkamal4319
      @faisalkamal4319 Год назад +5

      Barristan the badass carved him like carving a cake

  • @Ryanfinder226
    @Ryanfinder226 3 года назад +1462

    “This was 20 years after the first rebellion and these guys were still fighting over who got to root their sister” what a phrase lmao.

  • @Master_WannaBe_
    @Master_WannaBe_ Год назад +720

    I can't believe the show completely omitted the Young Griff plotline. This is the first time I'm hearing of it and I want to see a show/movie adaptation of it. Come on, an exiled prince who's supposedly the last of House Targaryen's biggest rival/obstacle and has the biggest potential to win the Game of Thrones before Daenerys even sets foot on Westeros, that's made for the silver screen!

    • @SunnyDayTeaFactory
      @SunnyDayTeaFactory Год назад +74

      We have this whole backstory to the blackfyres for a reason, perhaps.

    • @omega1397
      @omega1397 Год назад +170

      This plot line in the books, believe it or not, was very controversial. Many thought it was pointless and questioned why GRRM is bringing in a whole new claimant to the throne. When he was cut from Season 5 it was regarded as a good call. I was always one of those that defended Young Griff.
      And then Season 8 happened, and everybody realised "Oh, I guess Griff is more important to the story then we thought" there was a post in the subreddit basically saying that removing Young Griff is the source for Dany's plotline falling apart. Turns out the incredibly meticulous author has an intent of grave importance for a character that was foreshadowed several books ago lol.
      To toot my own horn a little, it was a great hit of vindication. Better than heroin.

    • @randellgoering1014
      @randellgoering1014 Год назад +61

      I and MANY others think that Varys the Spider is a secret Blackfyre. He shaves his head to not give his platinum hair away. "Varys" sounds like a Targaryen name. Varys is POSSIBLY Shira Seastars son. Varys got his balls cut off in a bloodmagic ritual because of his kings blood. And Varys plot is all for young Griff to take the iron throne for the Blackfyres

    • @fabvz5436
      @fabvz5436 Год назад +14

      Been honest the blackfire plotline was kind hard, before reading "the dunk and egg tales" and "world of ice and fire" it was a little hard to keep up with only the information in the original series. The blackfires in the TV show would seems like almost a retcon

    • @Spongebrain97
      @Spongebrain97 Год назад +10

      ​@Randell Goering Varys could possibly be a Blackfyre because of what you said but not the son of Shiera Seastar because he would be too old. Instead the brother of Serra, the possible Blackfyre wife of Ilyrio

  • @holydoggo4822
    @holydoggo4822 Год назад +320

    damn, knowing daemon in the heat of battle helped his wounded enemy get to safety only to be peppered with arrows by his half brother kind just hurts man

    • @owenleal
      @owenleal Год назад +27

      It be your own people sometimes.

    • @Miuranger1
      @Miuranger1 Год назад +36

      He was the true king and young griff will sit on the iron throne

    • @alehanedilko2147
      @alehanedilko2147 18 дней назад +1

      No good deed will go unpunished

  • @xhayashi2507
    @xhayashi2507 2 года назад +3676

    "They don't want Aegon to be king cause he travelled with this hedge knight... And got these crazy ideas that peasants should have rights and stuff..." I can't believe how hard I laughed at this LOL

    • @nicholaskenneth113
      @nicholaskenneth113 Год назад +251

      Kinda like the scene from S8E6 where Sam suggested letting the smallfolk elect the next king lmao

    • @devanman7920
      @devanman7920 Год назад +131

      @@nicholaskenneth113 that was actually a good bit among that mess didn't they say something like "hahaha sure and then let the donkeys vote?" 😂

    • @leonrussell9607
      @leonrussell9607 Год назад +31

      @@devanman7920 but why did yara laugh? The iron islands have democracy

    • @kyleway8513
      @kyleway8513 Год назад +93

      @@leonrussell9607 To be fair, it is only ship captains who participate in the voting process in an Ironborn Kingsmoot

    • @srccde
      @srccde Год назад +55

      @@leonrussell9607 They really don't. They're, at best, an oligarchy.

  • @Severian1
    @Severian1 3 года назад +1196

    Alt Shift keeping the fandom aflame while we wait for Winds(if it'll ever be written)

    • @forevermarked5826
      @forevermarked5826 3 года назад +111

      Oh winds is coming. I bet we will get it close to the premier of House of the Dragon. But we will NEVER get the end of Song of Ice and Fire. I've been working to finally accept this. Were not getting A Dream of Spring. I feel bad for the many who believe were going to get it. It's not happening

    • @stefanpieper3757
      @stefanpieper3757 3 года назад +20

      It is being written, the question is if it will be finished.

    • @BenMedia7
      @BenMedia7 3 года назад +60

      I think we'll get TWOW eventually, it's ADOS I'm worried about.

    • @Severian1
      @Severian1 3 года назад +68

      @@forevermarked5826 Sad but true. He's doing Broadway now. I've accepted it. These books are great. I'll cherish them, but I've lost all hope of him finishing it.

    • @Severian1
      @Severian1 3 года назад +33

      @@stefanpieper3757 Still waiting on Winds. Dream of Spring is an imposibilty at this point.

  • @jonathanoriley8260
    @jonathanoriley8260 Год назад +344

    I like how Blackfyre is essentially an allegory for how one's greatest enemy is often the one of their own making.

  • @alicedeligny9240
    @alicedeligny9240 Год назад +225

    I'm thinking Young Griff didn't get enough Westerosi History lessons if he thinks it's normal that the Golden Company supports him.

    • @ryanjuguilon213
      @ryanjuguilon213 Год назад +18

      Who would they support? There was no longer a Blackfyre since its supposed to be extinct. If the Golden company wants to return to Westoros and get their lands back only a Targeryan claimant can do it. Blackfyre or true Targeryan Aegon is one of their best bet to finally come home

    • @alicedeligny9240
      @alicedeligny9240 Год назад +31

      @@ryanjuguilon213 I'm pretty sure they hate Targaryens, why would they fucking fight for the people they were trying to destroy and who essentially exiled them or flat out destroyed their houses. They didn't fight for Viserys or Daenerys (whom they met), why would they fight for Aegon if he's a Targaryen like them. This makes it all the more suspicious...the fact that they were kept apart is very interesting in that regard.

    • @mero7731
      @mero7731 Год назад +6

      @@ryanjuguilon213 they want Westeros for blackfyre

    • @tbbcch1039
      @tbbcch1039 6 месяцев назад +1

      Who says YG isn’t in on the whole thing and fully knows he’s a Blackfire?

    • @leemarshall348
      @leemarshall348 6 месяцев назад +2

      We see in Tyrions chapters that Faegon gets all his history lessons about westeros from a small group that Joncon trusts so… yea checks out.

  • @LadaFaltys
    @LadaFaltys 2 года назад +2241

    I often don't like when authors lie how they had it all planned from the beginning and fill their stories with retcons, but seeing how neatly the War of the Ninepenny Kings brings all the fathers and grandfathers of so many characters together and ties seamlessly into the main story just blows my mind

    • @ravenechoseven9726
      @ravenechoseven9726 Год назад +222

      @deh Actually, if you watch a lot of his interviews, GRRM says he know where the story will end and he knows the fate of the characters, it's just the journey he is still walking through with them. I think what really sets him apart is the ability to have a plan, wonder around to it, yet still get there. It creates such an organic story.

    • @gregorde
      @gregorde Год назад +50

      @@ravenechoseven9726 … which is why it’s taken 11+ years for another book.

    • @jonathanoriley8260
      @jonathanoriley8260 Год назад +80

      @@ravenechoseven9726 Right, I guess we are still pretending that Martin hasn't written himself into a corner he doesn't know how to get out in a satisfactory manner, hence why he is never going to finish the books lol

    • @sinwithagrin4243
      @sinwithagrin4243 Год назад +9

      There's no way it was planned but at the same time its almost shocking how much it all links

    • @seventh-hydra
      @seventh-hydra Год назад +52

      Yeah. Another thing great about GRRM is that he actually takes (or took) fan theories into account when filling in back stories or lore for other houses.
      If someone had a great idea, he'd accept it as canon. He even hired a superfan to be his loremaster and point out where things contradicted with previously established material.

  • @DarkCreedNinja
    @DarkCreedNinja 3 года назад +1953

    Broke: ASOIAF is about the war for the throne
    Woke: ASOIAF is about the war for the dawn
    Bespoke: ASOIAF is about the war for Shiera’s Snatch

    • @ottopotatum5775
      @ottopotatum5775 2 года назад +28

      That played a mere role...it was politics

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 2 года назад +21

      Can you blame people for fighting over her

    • @AeneasGemini
      @AeneasGemini 2 года назад +64

      @@gfilmer7150 yes, if you father died off because some Lord you'd never met wanted to get laid, you'd be pretty mad (and rightly so).
      Men who fight over women are moronic, no matter how much you like her chances are there's another one who's similar and likes you better. Nobody is all that unique, there's probably dozens of people you could love in a 50 mile radius.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 2 года назад +127

      @@AeneasGemini But she’s hot

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 2 года назад +17

      @@gfilmer7150
      Yeah, and look at what that started? A whole shit show.

  • @connormohun1373
    @connormohun1373 Год назад +636

    I’d love to see the full Blackfyre rebellion war after HOTD is finished. I feel it’s a time that’s so well developed and fleshed out it’s needed!

    • @ahmadtarek7763
      @ahmadtarek7763 Год назад +75

      Would be cool if it continues all the way to baratheon rebellion.

    • @reindeergames3467
      @reindeergames3467 Год назад +3

      @@ahmadtarek7763 it probably will

    • @neofulcrum5013
      @neofulcrum5013 Год назад +6

      I agree

    • @alexjames7144
      @alexjames7144 Год назад +32

      They could always just keep Hot D going and transition from the dance of dragons to the blackfyre rebellions, it's only like 2 generations between them. They'd just need maybe a few episodes or a season at most to cover the distance.
      It might not be the most intense season but it'd still be decent viewing. And then the blackfyre rebellions would be really intense again. I think that'd work better than to adapt it into another separate spin off about the targaryans

    • @WaniZame
      @WaniZame Год назад +22

      I think HOTD is going to be a anthology series with the current story being two seasons. We could well see the Blackfyres in season 3.

  • @Daxanere1216
    @Daxanere1216 Год назад +514

    after the reveal of Aegon the Conquer's dream of ice and fire in HoTD, and Bloodraven's connection to prophecy, magic, and the old gods, i believe that Daemon Blackfyre was the brother he loved (by all accounts Daemon was a pretty great guy) but Bloodraven killed him to preserve the Targaryen dynasty in order to ensure the birth of the prince who was promised, which is an amazing layer tragedy

    • @SunnyDayTeaFactory
      @SunnyDayTeaFactory Год назад +67

      Sacrificed his honor for the realm

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je Год назад +70

      If this is not the human heart in conflict with itself, then I don't know what it is!

    • @SBHJG
      @SBHJG Год назад +35

      I’m rewatching this video for the umpteenth time, and I came up with a tinfoil idea, cause recently someone on the ASOIAF Reddit posted how many Targaryens were alive at one time during the 300 years, and basically Aegon IV single-handedly doubled the amount of Targaryens alive, so my tinfoil idea is what if he knew about the Prophecy? And he figured that the best defense would be to have as many Targs around to mount a defense, but of course he was also despicable, and bitter, so the tactic wasn’t exactly based in good faith

    • @the_dropbear4392
      @the_dropbear4392 Год назад +19

      That is probably just a HotD thing, given the show isn't canon and the Prince that was promised turned out tk be a load of horseshit im the show

    • @Daxanere1216
      @Daxanere1216 Год назад +25

      @@the_dropbear4392 its an idea in the books though, in an interview with grrm, he mentioned how some people think this is the reason for aegons conquest, whether it is true in the books will probably never be confirmed, but the big man himself has confirmed it is an idea

  • @maxpowers6033
    @maxpowers6033 3 года назад +467

    If HBO was smart they would do an anthology series covering different Targaryen eras. I’m one of those weirdos that enjoy the history and lore more than the main series lol

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +18

      I’d love to see a 13 episode Season on The First Blackfyre Rebellion with Christian Bale was Daemon Blackfyre

    • @cieproject2888
      @cieproject2888 3 года назад +16

      I mean I believe one of the prequels they've got going right now covers the original succession war of the dance of the dragons

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 2 года назад +2

      The books are good though

    • @nanakirima3711
      @nanakirima3711 2 года назад +4

      oops they just did

    • @neofulcrum5013
      @neofulcrum5013 2 года назад +4

      Now that’s what I call foreshadowing

  • @serkevanlannister9882
    @serkevanlannister9882 3 года назад +426

    "All the skulls were grinning, even Bittersteel's on the tall pike in the center. What does he have to grin about?" - JonCon
    of course King Aegon Blackfyre makes him grin

    • @erlendkaarb2038
      @erlendkaarb2038 3 года назад +6

      If Daeron the Good was the son of the Dragonknight why did he not inherit his skills?

    • @magnusthered4973
      @magnusthered4973 3 года назад +16

      Sorry that you died ser kevan you were the greatest Lannister I think you and Ned would of actually gotten along

    • @thanos6301
      @thanos6301 3 года назад +15

      Erlend Kaarbø if jamie was the son of tywin why wasn’t he as cunning ?

    • @magnusthered4973
      @magnusthered4973 3 года назад +3

      @@thanos6301 plot twist: maybe he was areys that’s why he wanted him by his side cause he couldn’t expose himself cause he’d make another enemy

    • @thanos6301
      @thanos6301 3 года назад +8

      Shovel Man69 nah i made that reply to make you realise that skill isn’t always hereditary

  • @BaronVonDergner
    @BaronVonDergner Год назад +141

    Glad to see that Bloodraven grew his eye back after half a century

    • @mero7731
      @mero7731 Год назад +15

      He doesn’t have an eye. In fact there’s a weirwood branch in his eye socket

  • @adeleaslan8182
    @adeleaslan8182 3 месяца назад +24

    The idea of Blackfires is so funny to me because they’re still Targaryen’s. Daemon is literally completely genetically a Targaryen, his parents followed the tradition of having children with their relatives. This war isn’t about two different groups of people, it’s about the Targaryen’s eating themselves alive again, and the fact that the Golden Company acts like they’re not just Targaryen’s is ridiculously funny

    • @jacobwhitman5701
      @jacobwhitman5701 12 дней назад

      It’s the exact same issue that was presented by the dance of the dragons. Both parties have an entirely legitimate claim: are we following the historical mandate of the eldest son becoming ruler, or the chosen heir via the father’s decree? Both resulted in the former, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the other party is wrong.

  • @sergioeliasruizllanos8989
    @sergioeliasruizllanos8989 3 года назад +441

    Alt shift x should start writing his own winds of winter version.

    • @benschmitt7035
      @benschmitt7035 3 года назад +12

      The issue is he doesnt know where the story and characters are intended to go, which is a major part of Martins writing. If he were given Martins notes on everything, then i think he would have a good chance

    • @SFledz
      @SFledz 3 года назад +33

      @@benschmitt7035 Martin doesn't even know where they are intended to go.

    • @benschmitt7035
      @benschmitt7035 3 года назад +2

      @@SFledz no, but he knows what pieces he put in place. things that we speculate about, things like the pink letter for example, he knows for a fact, and will have put the clues into place previously for it. Even if he doesn't know how the over arching story will finish, he built the story, and only he knows details that the rest of us can only wonder about

    • @munken7673
      @munken7673 3 года назад +1

      @@benschmitt7035 it will probably go something along the lines of the show just Way better executed.
      (And Sorry for my bad english😅)

  • @Midgert89
    @Midgert89 3 года назад +1306

    Daenerys is gonna make a mess of things isn't she? Slaying aegon is gonna slay more than just one lie, especially the ones she's been telling herself about her own house's role in this story.

    • @troytownsend101
      @troytownsend101 3 года назад +5

      And which one is that? Or which of those?

    • @fauzanabdulkahfi957
      @fauzanabdulkahfi957 3 года назад +158

      Aegon will become the king of his people while dany see as warmongering dragon queen

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +314

      @@fauzanabdulkahfi957 That's why Aegon should've been on the show. It would've been so tense to see Aegon "The Champion of The People" vs. Daenerys "The Liberator of Slaver's Bay" fight in a brutal conflict that would've explained her actions in S8E5.

    • @calebwinfield1403
      @calebwinfield1403 3 года назад +184

      @@gfilmer7150 I hear what you're saying. But I think that having Dany go mad after hearing some bells and then burning everyone alive is way more poetic and has superior writing talent.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +79

      @@calebwinfield1403 Daenerys knows that Dothraki use bells to associate themselves with victory. If anyone associates bells with defeat and will go mad and burn KL, it's gonna be Jonny C.

  • @niofalpha
    @niofalpha 9 месяцев назад +79

    The biggest piece of evidence no one seems to acknowledge is how Elia cowered with the fake baby and either didn’t notice it wasn’t her son, or was so dedicated to the bit she ignored her real daughter who was cowering in a nearby room

    • @Abysalss
      @Abysalss 5 месяцев назад +5

      It’s kinda hard to tell babies apart especially if they made an effort to find a convincing fake

    • @samwinchester1326
      @samwinchester1326 5 месяцев назад +7

      I recommend the video about the faegin theory from hills alive. She makes an compelling point that he is truly the son of rhagaer

    • @niofalpha
      @niofalpha 4 месяца назад +10

      @@samwinchester1326The day Hills Alive makes a good point is the day TWOW comes out

  • @Medaumplay3
    @Medaumplay3 5 месяцев назад +40

    Lines like "they finally convinced Daemon to rebel", and Daemon helping the wounded cobray get to safety, they paint Daemon as a rather decent man. Maybe even a good man, manipulated into being the face of a rebelion, that was orchestrated by greedy lords who just wanted more power. Perheaps Daemon really was the brother Bloodraven loved.

    • @aegorbittersteel2154
      @aegorbittersteel2154 5 месяцев назад +4

      King Daemon Blackfyre was a great man🖤🖤🖤🖤
      Long Live House Blackfyre.

    • @My-cat-is-staring-at-you
      @My-cat-is-staring-at-you 2 месяца назад +3

      Given all the tragic ironies of this series, that would probably be the case.

  • @kilomillensimus9379
    @kilomillensimus9379 3 года назад +632

    I can't thank you enough for linking all those artists. I never take the time to find the fanart that gets used in people's videos, but I should. So much of it is awesome.

    • @tatowerty7236
      @tatowerty7236 3 года назад +24

      yeah, the quality of the fanart that they make is simply outstanding

  • @erikrinard7908
    @erikrinard7908 3 года назад +539

    "But when Daenerys finally arrives, blazing in from the East with her dragons, she is going to want Young Griff off her chair..." I don't know why but that was the funniest line to me :D

    • @cries_and_dies
      @cries_and_dies 3 года назад +59

      *Sheldon voice*: You're in my spot.

    • @BenJover
      @BenJover 3 года назад +29

      If the dance of the dragons taught us anything its that having more dragons doesn't mean you'll win lol.

    • @caio7946
      @caio7946 3 года назад +9

      if tyrion and barristan are on her side, she may even make it, but not alone. she is so stupid to be able to accomplish and maintain anything.

    • @cantbetamed2210
      @cantbetamed2210 3 года назад +8

      @@caio7946 Yeah...I'm really hoping Tyrion would be able to teach her the game and how to rule a nation. She's really problematic, she's too much of an idealist which is bad. Hopefully her 'current' situation in the books might teach her a thing or two.

    • @herozero7484
      @herozero7484 3 года назад +21

      @@BenJover dragons vs more dragons and dragons vs no dragons is a different thing

  • @generaljive
    @generaljive Год назад +180

    Introducing Griff as another antagonist in a post cersei, post white walker story could have been a cool pivot in the final season.

    • @Darksaviour
      @Darksaviour Год назад +57

      They had a good set up. The golden company was introduced.

    • @markushaahr9194
      @markushaahr9194 Год назад +44

      That or crazy lovecraftian Euron.

    • @Mehdz03
      @Mehdz03 Год назад +29

      @@markushaahr9194 Euron is the final baddie, he is Harkoon the hero, the lightbringer who will bring the long night

  • @yagopacheco2855
    @yagopacheco2855 Год назад +142

    To think that bloodraven was the mentor to Bran who eventually get the iron throne is incredibly bizarre and I hope we get more information about this in the books if it eventually leads in that direction

  • @damanorelse
    @damanorelse 3 года назад +667

    "It looks like Young Griff might actually succeed where other past Blackfyres failed"
    Leaked "A Dream of Spring" chapter Tyrion 69 excerpt: "...And who has a better story than Young Griff?"

    • @cheeseisjar3058
      @cheeseisjar3058 2 года назад +35

      Best theory I’ve heard

    • @faisalkamal4319
      @faisalkamal4319 Год назад +14

      I mean he has the best story of he comes from a longline of fighter and a boy who fell from a castle who has the best story

    • @ki-adi-mundi635
      @ki-adi-mundi635 Год назад

      I will step off a cliff

    • @bait5257
      @bait5257 Год назад +14

      Actually young Griff then went on to build the band of hawks and sacrificed them to the gods to become hand of gods

    • @faisalkamal4319
      @faisalkamal4319 Год назад +4

      @@bait5257 And then made Tyrion tall and have varys a d and then made Catelyn marry petyr baelish

  • @PooseUnpoos3
    @PooseUnpoos3 3 года назад +287

    A whole Blackfyre TV show would be awesome. I can't wait for the Daenerys vs. Young Griff conflict in the books

    • @csar9643
      @csar9643 3 года назад +19

      ​@Yowatsapp 05 no, Aegon is alive, he took Storm's End and will soon face the Tyrell troops in Winds of Winter

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +6

      @Yowatsapp 05 No, him and Jonny C. are gonna kill Cersei... hopefully...

    • @mythgravenn
      @mythgravenn 2 года назад +11

      @@gfilmer7150 i hope so too, tommen's kingship is very weak, Aegon/Young Griff could overthrow him

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 2 года назад +4

      @@mythgravenn The Lannister Lion has lost its claws.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je Год назад +9

      @@mythgravenn I'll take a Blackfyre King over a Lannister Queen anytime!

  • @captare
    @captare Год назад +86

    Just one thing I thought was unclear. It is said in the books that Bloodraven's intentionally targeted the twin sons of Daemon BlackFire. Because he knew the Daemon would not abandon his children. And that's what happened, after Bloodraven's and his archers had killed his children, Daemon refused to let go of the bodies, which made it easy for Bloodraven's to kill him with his archers.
    Bloodraven was also the last wielder of the darksister sword. When Brann finds him in the cave, if I'm not mistaken, he also finds the sword. Another thing the series ruined...

    • @Zarab923
      @Zarab923 7 месяцев назад +5

      Wow that is so freaking sad….

    • @thetangaledbug7670
      @thetangaledbug7670 6 месяцев назад +5

      Just where does the author get all these sadistic stories from 😢

  • @123vict5
    @123vict5 Год назад +110

    The thing is young griff actually is a good kid and might actually be a great king whether he's a blackfyre, targaryen or some common valyrian bastard doesn't change the fact that he's a good dude and also really good at rallying people to his side like he did with the golden company leaders remember they were ready to say "screw this we're not gonna fight for you" but then young griff said some words and suddenly they were like "hell yeah we'll fight for you" and the men of the golden company really seem to like him and even if the leaders (whom he personally had to rally) believe he's a blackfyre, the bulk of the golden company think he's targaryen.

    • @kreelesley
      @kreelesley Год назад +6

      i mean wasnt tyrion able to convince him to invade westeros before he was ready just using reverse psychology?

    • @miketrujillo3677
      @miketrujillo3677 Год назад +29

      @@kreelesley just cause he's good doesn't mean he's a tactile genius, I mean he's still a kid

    • @charliericker274
      @charliericker274 Год назад

      @@miketrujillo3677 tactical

    • @miketrujillo3677
      @miketrujillo3677 Год назад

      @@charliericker274 fair

    • @dustingaethje1332
      @dustingaethje1332 Год назад +2

      @@miketrujillo3677 Not being a tactical genius makes him bad, as he can be manipulated easily by anyone who's gonna be there with him in King's Landing.

  • @AltShiftX
    @AltShiftX  3 года назад +658

    To get the free audiobook, select the Audible Premium Plus trial: www.audible.com/asx

  • @slavic_bog_warlock
    @slavic_bog_warlock 3 года назад +824

    So ultimately House Targaryen's greatest enemy is themselves, because Daemon Blackfyre is technically a Targaryen if he was legitimized by Aegon 4, and Bobby B's grandma was a Targaryen. I think the Targaryens would benefit from some family therapy tbh.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +128

      Rhaenyra: He stole my throne!
      Aegon II: Lies!
      Rhaenyra: It's in the will idiot!
      Therapist: What makes you think that it was in the will?
      *Hands will over*
      Therapist: It appears Rhaenyra is the only one in the will
      Alicent Hightower: Dangit
      Therapist: But, let's forget about the will, why don't we talk about how we feel
      Rhaenyra: I feel betrayed
      Alicent: You're the betrayed one, I was the one that married your push over father and I didn't get anything out of it
      Rhaenyra: You got to queen for 23 years you ungrateful b[censored by the network]
      Alicent: Says the one who trained her sons to act like savages. They took Aemon's eye out!
      Rhaenyra: He was asking for it!
      Therapist: Why did I take this job?

    • @5.farisdzukhairilrizki901
      @5.farisdzukhairilrizki901 3 года назад +8

      @@gfilmer7150 lol

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +8

      @@5.farisdzukhairilrizki901 For some reason the pilot didn’t air ‘til after because of the network’s meddling

    • @saranemcova5448
      @saranemcova5448 2 года назад +2

      @@gfilmer7150 Can't wait to see it on screen ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 2 года назад +60

      @@saranemcova5448Therapist: so can you explain how hard your marriage is?
      Aegon I: I married both of my sisters
      Visenya: He married me first
      Aegon I: Oh what does that have to do with anything?
      Therapist: Please calm down
      Rhaenys: Shut up
      Visenya: You shut up!
      Aegon I: Both of you knock it off... both gave me sons
      Visenya: That isn’t even a boy
      Aenys: Hey
      Maegor: Shut up nerd
      Visenya: Look at him. He’s peeing himself because he can’t stand up for himself
      Rhaenys: Shut up
      Visenya: I will when you admit that girl is no prince
      Aegon I: She said shut up! Don’t you ever talk to my son like
      Visenya: Son, that’s no son, I gave you a son. His name is Maegor
      Maegor: I ate a living a squirrel
      Aegon I: I don’t like him!
      Visenya: You see, he chooses and her “son” over me every time. Isn’t that called favoritism?
      Therapist: It is. Aegon, why don’t you like her?
      Aegon I: I never loved her. My daddy forced me to marry her
      Therapist: Oh
      Aegon I: If I had the opportunity, I’d instead marry her to my brother
      Therapist: Wait you have a brother?
      Aegon I: Yes and his name is Orys
      Orys: Hello there
      Therapist: How many people are in this family?
      Aegon I: A lot
      Therapist: Why did I drop out of college?

  • @michaelsilver253
    @michaelsilver253 2 года назад +15

    I come back to this channel's content more than any other GoT channel. Just the perfect balance of info, thoughtful analysis and a dash of humor. Well done

  • @08MrPancakes
    @08MrPancakes Год назад +141

    Young Griff should have been included in Game of Thrones. They should have had added more seasons to do so

    • @godemperorofmankind3.091
      @godemperorofmankind3.091 Год назад

      he could have been included if they got rid of unnecessary boring storylines like Grey Worm and Missandei, Euron's bullshit and cock jokes.

    • @drjoshuamc
      @drjoshuamc Год назад +30

      Agreed, there are several characters and storylines that were cut that would have been great and provided material for more seasons

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Год назад

      @@godemperorofmankind3.091 they shouldn't have got rid of eurons bullshit, they should have given him his crazy cthulu bullshit he has in the books

    • @letmetellyalilstory9122
      @letmetellyalilstory9122 Год назад +6

      100%

    • @DaeiebBshssb
      @DaeiebBshssb 10 месяцев назад +4

      Plus lady Stoneheart

  • @HateTaxesWASt
    @HateTaxesWASt 3 года назад +167

    I always thought it was funny that with Aegon spread the rumor that Aemon, the GOD DAMN Dragonknight, was Daeron's true father, like Aemon was a bad person.

    • @AltShiftX
      @AltShiftX  3 года назад +66

      It's a lie so ridiculous that it might just be true 🤔

    • @HateTaxesWASt
      @HateTaxesWASt 3 года назад +51

      @@AltShiftX hell, I think most people respected Aemon over drunken lustful Aegon. Aemon had bloody integrity

    • @thetalesofelbek7042
      @thetalesofelbek7042 3 года назад +9

      If it was true Aegon would delegitimize Daeron for Daemon. Hope Martin will finish his d&e tales and reveal the truth.

    • @HateTaxesWASt
      @HateTaxesWASt 3 года назад +38

      @@thetalesofelbek7042 yet he never did. He only legitimatized his bastards. He hated Daeron, but couldn't (for whatever reason) deny that he was his son.

    • @jimiafolabi6998
      @jimiafolabi6998 3 года назад +24

      @@AltShiftX To be fair, the parallels between Aegon IV, Naerys and Aemon in comparison to Robert, Jamie and Cersei are really STRONG. And at some point, I believe there was even a trial by combat against Naerys, which Aemon obviously won. I've always believed that Daemon was the true heir for a few reasons
      1. Aemon's character from what we know literally has no flaws and we know George doesn't write perfect people.
      2. The parallels with Jamie, Robert and Cersie is too strong for it to not mean anything.
      3. It took 12 years after Aegon died for Daemon to actually rebel and no one was sure the final factor that instigated his rebellion. Maybe he found proof that Daeron was actually not Aeogon's son?

  • @Riastrad-hq6ds
    @Riastrad-hq6ds 3 года назад +232

    It makes way more since that Young Griff is the king Daenerys goes to war with over the throne in the books as there is no way someone as incompetent as book Cersei would manage to hold the throne.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +61

      Mhmm... D&D removed Aegon from the story to simplify that conflict but then included its intended ending leading to contrived ending

    • @TheOnlyDamien
      @TheOnlyDamien 3 года назад +33

      I really like this theory, I am a huge fan of the Young Griff plotline lasting awhile, I really enjoyed his character and the chapters around him in the books they stood out to me so it'd be cool if that's the actual plan and D&D removed him to flatten the storyline and push Cersei into that role instead in their attempts to trim things from the end and in the books we actually get him in a way in her place.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +28

      @@TheOnlyDamien Aegon vs. Cersei >>>>> Daenerys vs. Cersei
      The Aegon character along Jonny C. grew on me and I’m rooting for them

    • @SunnyDayTeaFactory
      @SunnyDayTeaFactory 3 года назад +13

      Cersei will not survive winter. Young Griff is the "Cersei" Dany will fight to "win" Kingslanding.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +16

      @@SunnyDayTeaFactory That’s what I’m excited for. Stannis vs. Roose and Aegon killing Cersei

  • @Some_Call_Me_Pietro
    @Some_Call_Me_Pietro Год назад +24

    Can't wait for more videos on Targaryen history. Would love to see a video on Maegor the Cruel and Jaherys the Consilliator

  • @EndOfSmallSanctuary97
    @EndOfSmallSanctuary97 2 года назад +13

    The fact that all of this is just background lore and took place decades before the main series is just staggering. I still struggle to comprehend how one man - Martin - can be responsible for all of this.

  • @unncommonsense
    @unncommonsense 3 года назад +333

    "The ends justifies the means" is usually code for someone who does evil for his own good. But damn, Bloodraven is an intriguing character.

    • @niranjanrajesh1058
      @niranjanrajesh1058 2 года назад +2

      The best character in all of asoiaf.

    • @adolfhipsteryolocaust3443
      @adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 2 года назад +10

      "The ends justifies the means" was the code of conduct of the greatest people who have ever lived, but ok

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh 2 года назад +40

      @@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 sure Adolf. Sure.

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh 2 года назад +19

      Bloodraven is someone obssessed with control and order, despite the human need to forgive and move on. His loyalty was absolute, but it was to the state and to no man.

    • @adolfhipsteryolocaust3443
      @adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 2 года назад

      @Mister Majestic like every single person you studied in history at school, litterally every single one

  • @Bibitybopitybacon
    @Bibitybopitybacon 2 года назад +675

    Blackfyre also had a good claim through his mother. Daena was from the senior line while Aegon the unworthy and his father came from the Junior line. Lots of people thought Daena should have been queen after all her brothers died, not her uncle.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je Год назад +71

      Daemon could easily be the heir to the throne If Viserys II and Daeron I married Aegon IV to Daena instead of Naerys and Baelor!

    • @9xprincess
      @9xprincess Год назад +5

      @@PedroLucas-mg5je That would have made more sense lol

    • @priyamtolani1480
      @priyamtolani1480 Год назад

      After the Targaryen civil war, it was established that the male line would always be superior and preferred to the female line. So your senior/junior analysis doesn't work.

    • @SpaceViking2000
      @SpaceViking2000 Год назад

      @@PedroLucas-mg5je sucks being a bastard doesn’t it? Lol

    • @adlibconstitution1609
      @adlibconstitution1609 Год назад +17

      Daemon Blackfyre is pure Targaryen!
      His name should be Daemon Targaryen!

  • @bentrinker1937
    @bentrinker1937 Год назад +25

    Daeron sounds based af. He stabilized the relationship with their enemy Dorn and kept the insane faction daemon in check!

  • @WurrzagsMorkyMischeif
    @WurrzagsMorkyMischeif Год назад +10

    I can just imagine bittersteel riding into combat with the tune of "Guess who's back, back again. Bittersteels' back, Tell a friend" playing in everyones head

  • @goodolboston4522
    @goodolboston4522 3 года назад +523

    One of the saddest things of this whole story is that Daeron and Daemon were friends and that it was because of Angora Bittersteel that this whole thing ever happend.

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je Год назад +30

      And I believe the reverse will happen with fAegon and Dany during TWOW and ADOS (If he survives until the end), Daeron and Daemon started as friends but ended up as enemies in the First Blackfyre Rebellion while Dany and fAegon will start as enemies but will (probably) end up as allies or friends during the New Long Night!

    • @queenb2450
      @queenb2450 Год назад +21

      There is a theme of betrayal with GRRM- watching house of dragon and knowing the friends that Rhaenyra and Alicent were

    • @RobbEmmanuel
      @RobbEmmanuel Год назад +16

      Tywin and Aerys (the Mad King) were friends as well. And their friendship ended because of a bunch of gossip. Robert's Rebellion would have never have happened if they stayed friends.

    • @michaelhenry3234
      @michaelhenry3234 Год назад +19

      @@RobbEmmanuel It ended because Aerys was insecure and kept fucking with Tywin, and also because of the Joanna love triangle.

    • @rudainareaz8762
      @rudainareaz8762 Год назад +2

      @@queenb2450 tbf though alicent and rhaenyra weren’t besties in the books. alicent was quite a bit older than rhaenyra

  • @leone.6190
    @leone.6190 3 года назад +310

    "Blackfire...House Targaryens greatest enemies" after themselfes, that is... :D

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 3 года назад +25

      That's incest for you.

    • @yetigriff
      @yetigriff 3 года назад +5

      And the Maesters

    • @SuperCrow02
      @SuperCrow02 3 года назад +27

      Daemon was legitimized, so technically the Blackfyres ARE house Targaryen

    • @funakfunak2740
      @funakfunak2740 3 года назад +34

      @@SuperCrow02 Yeah, people seem to forget that it's all still just a Targaryan civil war :D

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 3 года назад +5

      @@funakfunak2740 it’s more like a bastard brother vs true born brother. But irony is that it’s like opposite like King Daeron the good might not be the King’s son.

  • @davebowman9000
    @davebowman9000 Год назад +20

    I personally believe that it all comes down to the topic that GRRM likes best: Lust for power is always the undoing of those who wield it, even at the brink of extinction, they'd rather destroy the place than to loose or not have their way and be forced to make compromises.

  • @dinasoursgoroar
    @dinasoursgoroar Год назад +6

    I truly love watching and learning from your videos. Your work is appreciated, and thank you for the time and effort you put in to every one of these videos.

  • @TheLastSaint7
    @TheLastSaint7 3 года назад +309

    The Black Fyre rebellion has to be the best civil war I've seen. A illegitimate child becoming the king, while the true king is being the basted

    • @abrarbw
      @abrarbw 3 года назад +23

      It's brilliantly written!

    • @thetalesofelbek7042
      @thetalesofelbek7042 3 года назад +74

      It’s still a rumor ;)

    • @fauzanabdulkahfi957
      @fauzanabdulkahfi957 3 года назад +25

      And ironicly daemon was legit targaryen after legitimize

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +32

      Random Bartender in The Riverlands: Who did you fight for? Red dragon or The Black?
      Me: I liked both so I stayed out of it completely.

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 3 года назад +26

      I say a Dance of Dragons is by far the best, because it has dragons and both sides were evil Targaryens

  • @S1apShoes
    @S1apShoes 2 года назад +580

    Broke: Blackfyre Rebellion
    Joke: War of the Ninepenny Kings
    Woke: The Struggle for Shiera Seastar's Snatch

    • @The_Essential_Review
      @The_Essential_Review 2 года назад +29

      Aka The Maid with the Golden Puss

    • @zrocaesar8559
      @zrocaesar8559 2 года назад +29

      @@The_Essential_Review the one true god is what’s between a woman’s legs😂😂🤦

    • @CodaMission
      @CodaMission 2 года назад +17

      Shiera Seastar's Chocolate Seastar

    • @brasilogiatrivial8656
      @brasilogiatrivial8656 2 года назад +8

      Coke: what Martin takes to be able to write these stories.

  • @Milkra
    @Milkra 2 года назад +8

    the virgin daeron vs chad daemon bit was so good

  • @jazwhoaskedforthis
    @jazwhoaskedforthis 2 года назад +1

    Your videos help because all these names sound the same and having you lay stuff out and the corresponding art really helps me keep it together

  • @MrJames8475
    @MrJames8475 3 года назад +184

    “These guys were still fighting over who got to root their sister” - you really got me laughing at then.

    • @faisalkamal4319
      @faisalkamal4319 Год назад

      I thought this was a tragedy but it's a comedy

  • @princeprocrastinate6485
    @princeprocrastinate6485 2 года назад +225

    A lot of people interpret the "mummer's dragon" to mean a fake dragon, but what if it literally means "Varys' dragon" as in this Targaryen is merely his puppet, could be that Aegon really is potentially the son of Elia and Rhaegar, but he is utterly Varys' instrument whether aware of it or not.

    • @w0ttheh3ll
      @w0ttheh3ll Год назад +25

      note: mummers' dragon vs mummer's dragon
      the spelling suggests that we're looking at a specific mummer, not mummers in general

    • @sinwithagrin4243
      @sinwithagrin4243 Год назад +15

      Huh. I never thought of that but it still doesn't explain the golden company.

  • @spencer9093
    @spencer9093 Год назад +1

    Your videos and overall dialogue is sensible, impressive and entertaining. I hope you never stop with your videos. You have charisma my man! Keep it coming... I will never stop listening

  • @undeadking2912
    @undeadking2912 Год назад +18

    The Blackfyre rebellions are so interesting. I wish there was a show dedicated to them like HOTD

    • @dubsonly
      @dubsonly 6 месяцев назад +1

      We're getting more spin-offs in the next year or so

    • @callmekhaleesi
      @callmekhaleesi Месяц назад +1

      it would take ages to film it as it continued for centuries. Even hotd wars last two years but we will watch it for many seasons

    • @Thrawn23.
      @Thrawn23. 25 дней назад

      ​@@dubsonlyWe got a Dunk and Egg show and now they are developing an Aegon's conquest prequel

  • @lucasroote1563
    @lucasroote1563 3 года назад +266

    From what you're describing Young Griff is obviously a reference to Henry Tudor who became Henry VII by winning the Wars of the Roses. His mother was distantly related to the King just like how Griff likely comes from the female line. Henry VII became king after living in exile his entire life when he won one battle with the unpopular Richard III just like how Griff is positioned to gain ground in Westeros fairly easily. When Danyaerys burns down Kings Landing I guess it'll almost be like she's interrupting the natural flow of history by killing the person who ultimately won the Wars of the Roses. Which will lead to Brans position as the end of history kind of king.

    • @BenMedia7
      @BenMedia7 3 года назад +11

      If Daenerys burns King's Landing. I highly doubt that she will in the books.

    • @ChaoticEnigma92
      @ChaoticEnigma92 3 года назад +11

      The War of Five Kings was also based off The War of the Roses so I can definitely see that.

    • @lucasroote1563
      @lucasroote1563 3 года назад +23

      @@BenMedia7 Bold of you to assume the book series is getting finished. Dany burning the city is the whole point of the series, without that scene there is no ASOIAF

    • @arhamsaa
      @arhamsaa 3 года назад +19

      And some say Daenerys is loosely based on Elizabeth I, and Elizabeth I ended the Tudor line by never marrying.

    • @lucasroote1563
      @lucasroote1563 3 года назад +7

      @@arhamsaa I mean Dany did marry, twice actually

  • @salimbhai1319
    @salimbhai1319 3 года назад +143

    "So Bittersteel was bitter".
    Hard hitting analysis that!!

    • @miketrujillo3677
      @miketrujillo3677 3 года назад +2

      😂😂😂

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 3 года назад +4

      Like Unwin Peake is more like Unwinner

    • @faisalkamal4319
      @faisalkamal4319 Год назад +1

      Kingslayer slayed a king
      The quiet wolf was quiet
      Barristan the badass was badass
      Mad king was Mad
      Maegor the cruel was cruel
      Aegon the conqueror was a conqueror

    • @PedroLucas-mg5je
      @PedroLucas-mg5je Год назад

      @@faisalkamal4319 The Young Dragon and the Young Wolf died young!

  • @starhunter9085
    @starhunter9085 3 года назад +2715

    *I thought the greatest threat to Targaryens was "kind of forgetting" about their enemies while their enemies certainly haven't forgotten about them.*

    • @CSLintheCASINO
      @CSLintheCASINO 3 года назад +111

      Right! LOL!!
      Damn dragon harpoons!

    • @abrarbw
      @abrarbw 3 года назад +166

      Shhhhhhhhh! We don't talk about that horrendous show here. The show never happened, remember?

    • @BrahmaDBA
      @BrahmaDBA 3 года назад +77

      The price of arrogance. When you've been on top for so long you start to "kinda forgot" the rock piling up underfoot that will trip you

    • @DarkLadyJade
      @DarkLadyJade 3 года назад +11

      LOL!

    • @harlekingyt7302
      @harlekingyt7302 3 года назад +8

      Oh?. I thought it was the Faith and Old town were the Greatest Enemies.

  • @AlexisLK
    @AlexisLK Год назад +10

    That, sir, is the most understandable and clear video about the Blackfyre Rebellions I've seen, compare to other ones on RUclips that are very theoric and not precise at all
    And the Blackfyre era is absolutely amazing, they should do series on it, after House of the Dragon because it's an even more interesting period, with less dragons but more plots and battles, that are way more interesting to me. And come one, Brynden Rivers only by himself is already worth a TV series, his life is just a whole show just by itself and he had the most incredible journey in the history of Westeros I believe, probably in the top 3 most powerfuls "humans" in the history of this universe, with all his skills, his knowledge and longevity, and most people don't even know this character, what a shame.
    Please HBO, make a Blackfyre sequel.

  • @tresojos
    @tresojos Год назад +3

    This may be the best of your videos. Give some praise people

  • @Cergun_
    @Cergun_ 3 года назад +128

    Holy fuck what a well-made video. I knew almost everything you said in the video yet I could never organize the information and connect it to other events like you did. Great job man!

  • @samuelcaremans8191
    @samuelcaremans8191 3 года назад +365

    If daenerys incinerates him in front of everyone, that could BLACKFYRE on her :D

  • @Matt-og9sp
    @Matt-og9sp Год назад +12

    Can you make a playlist that has all your videos based in the thrones universe in chronological order? Would be cool to try and wrap my head round it in order 😂 great video as always!

  • @poppyonline4034
    @poppyonline4034 Год назад +1

    This is the best video OMG I love how you explain this story. Thank you!

  • @1508199615081996
    @1508199615081996 3 года назад +173

    I'm a simple man, I see an AltShiftX video, I click.

  • @manooxi327
    @manooxi327 3 года назад +90

    when the NinePenny Kings part came up, and the battles that made all the gang there
    and seeing all the relationships from the GoT series starting points made me sooooo fucking happy
    this kind of stories is why I'm into history so much
    tnx Alt Shift X

    • @Wolfeson28
      @Wolfeson28 3 года назад +6

      That's one of the things that I've always loved about the ASOIAF series. In terms of the characters, it's a realistic world where everyone's actions ripple across the world and affect other characters well beyond their immediate purview. The history of the characters and their houses matter, and we can actually trace how past events in-universe shaped the events and the conflicts that came afterward.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +6

      Ninepeny Kings is the Game of Thrones equivalent of The Last Alliance from LoTR

  • @finalfant111
    @finalfant111 8 месяцев назад +6

    Dude, I love your channel. You explain so much stuff. Your theories make so much sense. I have read all the books except the World of Ice and Fire. After seeing your break down of all this and piecing together the information from the books, It actually makes me more angry at the TV show for sucking so bad. I am so excited for the books to be finished to see how GRRM meant it all to end. There are so freaking many story lines left out of the show that I can't wait to see how they are actually supposed to work out. I can almost 99% guarentee you are correct about the BlackFyre thing. It will be interesting how this will all play out in the books with Denarys, Aemon BlackFyre and Aemon Targareyan (Jon Snow). Plus there is all the Tyrion possibly being a secret Tragareyon as well. I am so excited for it all.

  • @Methus3lah
    @Methus3lah Год назад +30

    This whole thing kind of reminds me of the war of the roses. Two different lines descended from a king fought over the English throne for thirty years, and it eventually ended when the two lines married into each other and became one.
    So I think that the Targaryen-Blackfyre conflict could possibly end with a marriage between Griff and Dany. It would lend legitimacy to both of them as monarchs.

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul 4 месяца назад +2

      Reminds me more of the Jacobite Rebellions but you've got a point.

  • @swamidan277
    @swamidan277 3 года назад +44

    Your videos are the perfect thing to slowly fall asleep too

  • @dylansporrer1198
    @dylansporrer1198 3 года назад +318

    Anyone else get the distinct feeling that "Aegon the Unworthy" was partially inspired by Henry VIII? A big fat king with lots of wives (at least one of which he executed) that for his own selfish reasons created a long-lasting political schism? Who goes on to die a horrible death of obesity and disease?
    He's sort of like "What if Henry VIII actually had all those sons he wanted?"

    • @kateellison5360
      @kateellison5360 Год назад +19

      I think Martin has said as much.

    • @IsaacWhittakerDakin
      @IsaacWhittakerDakin Год назад +20

      I think there's a bit of Charles II in Aegon IV, both had illegitimate children whose descendants started the jacobite rebellions against the Hanover family.

    • @kateellison5360
      @kateellison5360 Год назад +5

      @@IsaacWhittakerDakin But I thought it was James II's son's (by his Catholic second wife) descendants who started the Jacobite rebellions? Will go look up...

    • @IsaacWhittakerDakin
      @IsaacWhittakerDakin Год назад +1

      @@kateellison5360 it probably is James II my mistake! 🙂

    • @AJ-et3vf
      @AJ-et3vf Год назад +8

      Well GOT is nothing more than plagiarism of real history. Tsss

  • @jonplukehughes2807
    @jonplukehughes2807 Год назад +8

    This story can be said to be a lot more interesting and nuanced than the dance is, really hope to see the blackfyre story on screen

  • @robrussell7828
    @robrussell7828 Год назад +5

    ive watched this video probably 6 times and still learn somthing everytime...i love this universe and honestly if they made this into a movie or like a small series that would be amazing

  • @simonvanberlo983
    @simonvanberlo983 3 года назад +40

    Damn that picture of Deanerys at 24:00 is pretty awesome. Credits to the person who made that.

  • @ligerdrag20
    @ligerdrag20 3 года назад +56

    The Blackfyre rebellions are probably my favorite piece of asoiaf history and I am deeply vested in the Blackfyres, so this was really really cool to see you cover this. Thank you!

  • @mariahanczewska8109
    @mariahanczewska8109 2 года назад +3

    I've never read "Song of Fire and Ice", I've never seen TV series... but I like this content!

  • @stephen8805
    @stephen8805 2 года назад +16

    I did not see Blood Raven being the three-eyes crow, that blew my mind.

  • @harlekingyt7302
    @harlekingyt7302 3 года назад +50

    Its Weird when you hear the name, Daemon Targaryen, without his theme.

  • @farttur
    @farttur 2 года назад +176

    This game of thrones novel should be made into a series. Hopefully it would be written by competent writers who care more about sticking with the original material than their own ego.

    • @w.a.s5819
      @w.a.s5819 Год назад +4

      Amen to that.. rayan condal seems trustworthy.

    • @XxMidnightToker420xX
      @XxMidnightToker420xX Год назад +1

      That would be nice

    • @noahpancakes6507
      @noahpancakes6507 Год назад +2

      There even fucking up house of the dragons with there ego and going away from the story kindab

    • @SennaHawx
      @SennaHawx Год назад +7

      @@noahpancakes6507 HotD is written by Martin lol
      According to him HotD is how it happened, while the books (well...the few pages we get of it) are inaccurate/biased retellings

    • @triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771
      @triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771 11 месяцев назад +1

      Hehe Hehehe guess what

  • @alexjames7144
    @alexjames7144 Год назад +62

    Personally I like the idea that in fact in a cruel twist of fate Dany is the mummers dragon, that her heritage is a lie and she doesn't realise until the last minute. As targeryan dreams usually lead to their downfall as they misrepresent the information to fuel false ambition.
    The term 'slayer of lies' could also have a double meaning which I've not heard anyone else mention thus far. Yes it could refer to someone who slays a liar. But it could also refer to a liar known to kill, that her slaying is based on lies.
    It seems to me like that could be a more convincing and shocking twist which would reframe the characters actions up to that point in a very fascinating way.

  • @dangerousboxx666
    @dangerousboxx666 21 день назад +2

    Derrick "the Bad Apple" is such a hard and yet funny nickname.

  • @admsnowpyke
    @admsnowpyke 3 года назад +34

    I've been waiting for you to do the Blackfyres! ♥ 🔥🔥🔥

  • @cubencis
    @cubencis 3 года назад +67

    Miss you dude. I just PRAY that GRRM has taken this quarantine period to progress his story. Please GRRM. Don't let that dung heap that DND left be your legacy. Finish your story and you'll be immortalized.

  • @tenshi414
    @tenshi414 Год назад +2

    your voice is so soothing even if i wasnt interested in got i would listen to this

  • @AC-ze1nh
    @AC-ze1nh 2 года назад +14

    I think they should have kept Young Griff in the show. I was very disappointed they didn't. It would have fixed a lot. It would have made Varys betrayal understandable and part of his end game. It would have given Daenerys an actual rival, as Jon didn't even want the Iron Throne. It would have cemented the hatred of Targ rule as once again, they're fighting each other and everyone else suffers. By removing Young Griff, it openned many, many plot holes and Daenerys' turn to the darkside made little sense.

  • @os44881616
    @os44881616 3 года назад +22

    The way you described king Bran really made me think about the ending of Dune Messiah, and the reign of God Emperor Leto

  • @mrthompsonjt
    @mrthompsonjt 3 года назад +41

    The books aren’t ever going to end.😭

    • @miketrujillo3677
      @miketrujillo3677 3 года назад +1

      The writer GRRM has an outline prepared for another writer to take over in the event that he dies

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 3 года назад +3

      Martin does not care about fans or the books. He only cares about his legacy and career, the money and shows and movie deals it’s all good to him. It’s like a kid in a candy store and it has all the goods.

    • @alexdemetrius8671
      @alexdemetrius8671 3 года назад

      yeah like mike said i feel like it could go on for a long time since he already has the history up to dance already written with so much untapped potential for new stories

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 2 года назад

      @Dylan Drummond his got other projects

  • @mackenzieyoung5306
    @mackenzieyoung5306 Год назад +22

    Still wild that daemon blackfyre is the purest bastard ever 😂

  • @rev1ction
    @rev1ction 2 года назад

    This is absolutely fantastic. Awesome work!!!