After souring his bench with a temper tantrum against JR Smith with a entire overtime period to go out and win his ass quit cause he felt he could blame the TIE on JR Smith , not the loss , he through a tantrum cause JR Smith forgot the time on the clock and didn't shoot for the possible 1 point win , so it was a 50\50 chance it would have to go to overtime anyway , so he basically quit cause he had a scapegoat , Mike NEVER did shit like that.
@@jasonwebb5964 Lebron is the greatest LOSER of all time the most Nba finals losses of any of the marquee superstars players in the modern era, he’s a clutch loser
Larry Bird: "I would never call him the best player I've ever seen if I wasn't serious." Magic Johnson: "There's Michael Jordan, and then the rest of us." Allen Iverson: "Mike is the GOAT, Mike will always be the GOAT." Shaquille O'Neal: "The Last Dance only solidified the argument about who is the greatest player of all time" Kevin Durant: "MJ is one of one, God level, incomparable, a pure master in this shit. I'm still watching his games to learn" Charles Barkley: "He didn't just want to beat his opponents, he wanted to break them. Like I said, no disrespect to Kobe Bryant, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, LeBron James, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, the best thing I've ever seen is Michael Jordan and it was an honor and a privilege to play against him. He is the best player I have ever seen." Dwyane Wade: "MJ was chosen to be the GOAT." Jerry West: "He is the best basketball player, the best athlete I have ever seen in my life." Kevin Garnett: "He saved basketball when basketball was about to be lost. When we had addicts, when kids were coming to camp overweight. Who do you think started coming to camp fit, ready for day one? Who started it's? Dirk Nowitzki: "The Last Dance was excellent. I was a huge Bulls fan in the '90s. So many things I never knew or had forgotten! MJ is the GOAT." Patrick Ewing: "LeBron is incredible, but he is not Michael Jordan" Vince Carter: "I still have to give it to Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant second." Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon: "When people start comparing LeBron to Jordan, it's not a fair comparison. Jordan was a much more superior player in a tougher league. He was was very creative. That doesn't take anything away from LeBron because He's a great player, but it's not a fair comparison, Jordan is just so superior." Stephon Marbury: "You really want to rank Jordan? Jordan shouldn't even be in a ranking. I don't know why they keep mentioning MJ's name in the same conversation. LeBron is great, but Jordan is not from this earth. He's just different. Carmelo Anthony: "MJ is the GOAT. He is the best player of all time, and we all agree with that"
@@KingJinzo2125 Yes because at the end of the day Jordan has 6 while Lebron has 4, and those titles have made the Bulls go from one of the lowest worth teams in the league to even still the 4th highest net worth. Jordan has the edge in both success and $ value.
Bill Russell: "Michael you're a great player but I don't think you'll play or live long enough to break my record of 11 rings, bur you're welcome to try" Wilt Chamberlain: "Michael's got 6 but so what, my friend has 11 and the rules were changed from my time to your time to make the game much easier for guards".
Bringing up the loss to the '86 Celtics as a knock against Jordan is laughably stupid. That Celtics team is arguably top 5 all time and Jordan averaged 44 ppg for the series with no help. He was the only reason any of those games were even competitive.
Exactly how many ringless HOF didn't eat because of Bird (3-5 finals record) and Magic (5-9 finals record)? Jordan got his first ring off of Magic. (Magic is my favorite btw) Jordan got 6 rings in 8 yrs. How long has Bron played? He's only got four from moving to better situations and only two came back to back so he's never dominated like Mike did. He could always lay a claim to being the best player while someone else raised the Larry O'Brian over their head which doesn't make any sense. You don't even have to use the totality of MJ's career to end the Bron argument. Bron defenders use his whole career against 1 of Jordan's 3 peats. It's not a debate never has been to many of Bron's peers have beaten him for him to be ahead of MJ. 💯
Jordan when he loses: I need to change myself and trust my teammates more. LeBron when he loses: I need to change my teammates because i refuse to change anything about myself...
@@robertbarnes4666 Jordan leaving his team as winners and retiring is very much different than leaving the team as losers going to play for a different team teaming up with other teams’ all stars
@@robertbarnes4666 the definition of Era would largely disagree with you. The 80s an Era would be considered as the bird/magic rivalry Era. The 90s was defined by mj. The 2000s would be defined by kobe arguably. To your point on quitting I would consider retire and quit to be distinctive. Both times MJ retired he likely genuinely intended on retiring from basketball permanently. First he retired when his father passed so likely emotionally charged and pursued baseball. Then he retires do to the coaching change and being older and was working as the director of basketball operations for the wizards. He unretired at the request of the owner with an incentive that never came to fruition. So mj returned to further his goal of being a team owner. He wasn't I'm the shape he needed to be. Which further supports he intended to stay retired. Bron quits when he loses games. Quits and leaves his teams once he finishes using them. He arguably quit being competitive with his decision when he intentionally collude with his friends to try to remove competition from the sport. He failed hilariously and quit emotionally on his team in 2011. Which is unsurprising as he quit on cleavland the year emotionally before leaving to the heat.
@@stevekahungura5432 No, there is a distinct difference between quitting and going out on top. There's a difference between me, halfway trough learning a new language quitting and me stopping trying to learn the language after I have mastered it. And, whilst yes Jordan did probably take all you said into consideration when he retired, the main reasons he retired was because the people he wanted to play with wouldn't be with the Bulls anymore.
Stepping away from the game after your first 3-peat is completely different than quitting in the NBA Finals when scrubs like Jason Terry and JJ Barea are outplaying you!
None of us know what really would have happened had the Bulls played HOU in '94 & '95 with MJ on the roster. Unlike LeBron, Jordan never backed down from a challenge or gave up on his team when the game was decided. MJ did not know the meaning of quit.
@@zachwachs7913 it's a mystery still we don't know cause Michael though he didn't fear Hakeem he did think Hakeem was really really good,Though that would be a. Badass matchup in finals
That would be an intense matchup Bro.. if Jordan and Hakeem we're both together how much rings would they have Would it be difficult or no? Though choosing Hakeem wasn't a L Soo these 2 were badasses in the 90s
At this point Nick’s argument against Jordan is “he didn’t win every single season” 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Lebron now has 15 seasons playing NOT winning a ring. That’s MJ’s length of career (that includes 2nd injured season and 95 playing quarter of a season) that Lebron has played and not won. Give it a rest
Playing quarter of a season or not still is playing in a season, if you are going to count lbjs injury seasons it's only right to count mjs also. And getting to a finals to face a juggernaut and falling in the preliminary rounds isn't even comparable 🤔. This kind of argument is just being full of crap and hating.
@@stevekahungura5432 Thats what he did...he included MJs hurt years, and it is still all of LBJs losses lmao. And if you gonna glorify getting to the finals and losing as if it is a ring, didn't LBJ miss the playoffs, 4x (04, 05, 19, 22)? So is it not better to get to Round 1 than lose in Round ZERO, according to your logic?
The fact that Steph has won 4 rings in Lebrons prime years, should destroy this entire argument. Not only is LBJ not better than MJ, we're getting close to the point where it can be argued he is not the best player in his own era. That was never even questioned when Jordan played, even after Kobe emerged.
MJ retired the first time because his father was murdered. Retired the 2nd time because he was loyal to his coach who was pushed out by management. Retired the 3rd time because he was 40 lol. How can you criticise any of these?
@@fymemo1457 this is ignorance at it's finest. He wasn't on some double secret suspension, with the NBA players union, there's no way to legally (within the CBA) to keep a suspension a secret. From David Stern himself: “The folklore, the urban legend that I sent him away because he was gambling, ridiculous,” Stern said. “No basis in fact whatever. I could bang on the table and say it’s a calumny, a slanderous lie, or whatever. It’s just not true. Never was and never will be, no matter how many times people ask the question.”
Nick Wright is illogical. Jordan got beaten in playoffs before he knew how to win, which is the same excuse LeBron gets in that argument, after Jordan was beating everyone in the league, the teams he beat didn't go to the finals until after he retired, like Knicks, Pacers, and 76ers. The West didn't dominate until after Jordan retired.
Nick right is the only one who is logical... If he see a player better than Lebron he will say that... Jordan fans will die defending Jordan... Everybody has passed Jordan in ever stat and he only went to 6 finals 🤔
@@warageplaylist5938 Are you not gonna explain why everyone has? I'll educate you then. Players cannot be touched anymore which makes it alot easier to score in today's game. Even tho the NBA has dealt with it last year players like Harden have made a living from the free throw line in previous years. Imagine MJ playin in this era? It wouldn't even be fair. Btw he's 6-0 in the finals with 6 Finals MVP's. It could of been 8 in a row if he didn't retire.
@@HUGEHEATFAN22 LeBron is bigger and stronger than Jordan and you think he wouldn't survive the 90s 🤔 Your worship of Jordan is pathetic! Clyde Drexler was almost better than Jordan only averaging 6 points less than MJ did and we all knew it and now all of a sudden he is Jesus or something
The Cavs team that LeBron came into his rookie season was an All-star team compared to the team Jordan came into his rookie season. This whole "debate" is a joke. How Nick is even employed is beyond my comprehension.
Literally is 6-0 in the finals and did it all with the same team with no allstars in the first 3 peat... Smh at this point Bron fans just talkin to talk.
Yeep, Against Phoenix in 2021 First Round Playoff. And He Did it 2 Games In a Row. With Almost 5 Minutes Remaining in The Game...They Need To Stop The G🏀AT Debate....M.J.Has All The Best Moves, and Tricks. 👉🏾 is One Of The Most Fundamentals, Creative, and Skills Players Of All Times M.J. Has The Highest Vertical Jump Since The NBA Started Measuring Players in 1970.With 👉🏾 48 Vertical Jump...👉🏾The Best Middle Range Jump Shot.👉🏾 The Best Fade Away Jump Shot.👉🏾One Of The Best Finisher Around The Rim.One Of The Best 🏀 Dunker. Etc, Etc,, Etc......👉 Lebron James Bully His Way To The Basquet, With Brute Force....is Simple and Very Clear That Michael Jordan's 👉🏿 THE G🏀AT. For Ever And Ever...
I'm just speechless, any so-called sports reporter can run their mouth, buddy where is your championships 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆, MVP's, and much more this is an insult to Basketball!
It's worse than that. Nick Wright is what's wrong with the social media in general. He's a stupid incompetent with an opinion and a forum for expressing his stupidity on a large stage.What qualifications does that dork have to comment on professional sports of any kind,? He allegedly has a broadcasting degree. I'm sorry but that alone doesn't automatically make a person qualified to competently analyze pro basketball. I checked this guy's multiple online bios and none of them fully agree with each other. Did he go to Sracuse or Old Dominion or did he just lie his education online. One bio says he's Irish and one says he is of Brittish descent. I'm starting to think his whole life is a con including the sports analysis he does very badly.
Should've mentioned also Jordan retired in 98 mainly because Krause made it clear he was blowing up the bulls, win or lose. The entire team was being parted; seems like a nice time to retire, like you said, on top.
That is what LeBron fans refuse to understand. Krause didn't want him there, his ego said he could replicate with someone else. Instead of retiring on top LeBron fans say he should have gone somewhere else
Nick Wright is a delusional individual. He wants us all to believe that LeBron is the GOAT without a shadow of a doubt that he puts himself in such stupid situations that are defenseless. One thing these so called "analysts" should always take into account, CONTEXT!!. Context matters, a lot ! MJ is just better, and there's no shame to lose to MJ. Just like Larry Bird once said: That was GOD playing, disguised as MJ. Pure and simple.
They didn't call him "black Jesus" for nothing!! I got tired of people debating this! Watching MJ on reruns isn't the same as seeing him play live on TV. People nowadays just don't understand how crazy good he was!!
The first fair criticism. The Rockets only won 1 championship while Jordan played. I don't know about the clown thing though. Sometimes we can just let the facts speak for themselves.
i'm a houston boy and i was around during those two wins. and MJ not being around really helped the rockets get them rings. not saying the rockets were punks or anything. dream and the glide were one of the greatest duos in history. just telling the truth.
@@maxacorn I agree man. I was a big fan of the Rockets then too. I just hate how Nick will pull any and all BS out of his bag to try & make Lebron the GOAT in everyone's view.
As always you are making yourself look like a fool who cherry pick arguments only when it suits Jordan. LeBron fans = Best fanbase ever Jordan worshipers = worst fanbase ever.
Facts! Jordan's a quitter! He was so LAZY he would finish everyone off in 6 games or less just so he could skip game 7s and go to parades instead??? Lebron never did that.
No, he just happened to win ALL of his championships in the absolute weakest era of the NBA (diluted by expansion beginning in 1988 and going through 1998), so he never faced significant competition in the finals (Oh, and we are just going to ignore the times he lost in the playoffs and the times he went to 7 games before the finals).
@@stupidrules1000 No comp in finals? Showtime Lakers with Magic? Portland with Terry Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Cliff, and Duckorth? Suns with Kevin Johnson, Barkley, Majerle and Tom Chambers? Utah with Stockton, Malone, Oostertag? ...that's a better pg, pf, and C than Jordan played WITH his whole career. Expansion Orlando had Penny, Shaq, Dennis Smith, Nick Anderson. Hardly a watered down team. Get your facts straight
Jordan never beat a spurs or warriors type of team he kept getting swept until they got old and left matter of fact pippen never had a losing season with or without Mike or Phil Jordan never had a winning season without pippen ever that's all facts
@@countryrah big facts. People act like Jordan did ANY winning by himself. Everywhere else any of his significant teammates went, they won without him. He never won, anywhere, any season, without significant teammates. Pippen never had a losing season and lead other teams to the playoffs, after Jordan. Grant beat Jordan in the playoffs when he left. Rodman won championships before jordan and bounced him from the playoffs. Hell, even Steve kerr won championships after Jordan (in fact, Steve kerr won 4 championships in a row...Jordan never did that).
Jordan never lost in the finals and never hit a game 7. Also him practically taking off 2 of his prime years, and still being on top, imagine if he would stayed. Whose to say those wouldn’t have been the best seasons of his career
@@stanleybalan55 pretty much every year by the team that would win the title or go to the finals. All while playing with the worst team in the league. Mention that, too
You stay bodying that clown..Dude has some incredibly ridiculous takes. Like the one he said where once the warriors got Wiggins Steph would never win another championship...
So LeFraud lost his first 9 years, joined a super team and got destroyed. It took Allen saving him from elimination in a sure win of a 5 point lead with 23 seconds to go in 99.999998% of games ever played. The Spurs came back the following year with a Gentleman's Sweep to remind the world that both titles were really theirs. This forces him to leave to join the Cavs. Once again, were it not for Kyrie Irving killing it in game 3 at home, that series ends in another sweep at home with no 7th game dagger. He literally sustains a back to back ass whipping so severe, he literally quit in both series and benches himself with entire quarters to go. How's that for goat? Joins the Lakers and has been eliminated 3 out of 4 years. Nobody counts the trash bubble participation trophy. This is your goat Nick? Pretty high standards there.
Nick thought LeBron was the greatest player ever after 2016. He's been wrong on just about every single thing that comes out of his mouth. LeBron just doesn't stack up against Michael Jordan. Maybe the on court product, especially in the regular season was better, but Jordan literally never had an objectively bad playoff series. I'm not saying LeBron should've carried Cleveland to 2007 and 2018 Finals wins, because the odds were definitely not in his favor, but if he was the G.O.A.T., he wouldn't have gotten swept in both series. Not to mention, if he plays average in the 2011 Finals, they beat Dallas in 6.
@@chrisuncleahmad that’s exaggerating a lot, when we talking about the best ever yeah he’s around the 5th spot for me. I don’t hate him I just don’t think he’s as skilled as a few others guys all time. His own era of players don’t think he’s the best and a lot don’t even respect him. Mj magic bird Kobe kareem Hakeem guys like that were respected as the best players with lebron it’s always “he’s great give him credit where it’s due but…(fill in the blank)”
I would take Jordan or Larry Bird over Lebron if all was in their prime. Saying Jordan quit after his Father was murdered is just wrong. He took time off to mourn.
he has a job because hes actually a good analyst... dont descredit the man because he has a diffferent viewpoint to you... not everyone has Jordan as #1... but i guess you'll all call us delusional
The thing that got me rolling was when Nick said Kobe and Shaq got their ring on Jordan's watch when he was 38. Uh, fact check Jordan was smoking a cigar at home RETIRED (which means he wasn't playing in the league when KB and Shaq won their ring). Same for when Nick said the Rockets went back to back. He didn't even play in 94 and only played a tiny percent of games in 95! This I why people need to fact check themselves before they steamroll into an argument!
Nick is the type of 'Analyst' that the moment you see him on your screen you immediately turn your ch or leave the room... you never take anything somebody like that has to say serious in the slightest..
He also fails to take into consideration that training is different, nutrition is different, access to particular resources are different and it's a different game over all now. This NBA isn't half as physical nor grueling than it was during Jordan's time.
The fact that they hold Jordan’s break from basketball against him is crazy. His dad was murdered and Jordan needed time to work through the tragedy. It’s so low to try to hold that against him.
Jordan came back after a 3 year layoff to play with the Wizards when he was 38 years and 8 months old. Jordan turned 39 4 months into that 2002 season. Jordan basically played at 39 and 40 years old for the Wizards. That first season he had the Wizards at a 26-21 record at the all star break and his game was improving averaging 25pts 6 boards and 5 assists. Those were prime Kobe numbers at the age of 39. Jordan then tore the miniscus in his knee not from pushing himself physically but from a freak accident from his Wizard teammate running into Jordan after a play was over. Jordan retired in the summer of 93 only because he was in mourning from his Father being shot and murdered. In 98 Jordan retired because the general manager Jerry Krause broke up the team and fired Coach Phil Jackson. Had Jordan not retired from the Bulls those two times he would have 8 to 10 chips. All in a freakin row!!!!
He had them on track huh? How did those seasons end? 37 and 45. Oh, but he was hurt.....OK, next season, all 82 games...37 and 45. And um....ppg...22 and 20. LeBron averaged 30 at 38. Like, come on people. You can believe MJ was better. Reasonable people can disagree...but damn, can you make logical arguments though.
this sounds like the Jordan narrative we've always been given to try and cover the cracks in the legacy... cause according to Jordan fans.. he NEVER put a foot wrong. thing is, nobody forced Jordan to quit in 98, NOBODY. He couldve gone to any team he wanted. Nobody forced him to come back in 01 either. if hes in the league hes good enough to play no? the dad dying excuse is an old one, which is ironic because you all always say how mentally tough Jordan was. how many players have had their parents die DURING the season (not in the off season like Jordan) and still play the very next game? thats an EXTREMELY WEAK argument. Jordan wouldnt have won 8 straight, because he was fatigued and had to load manage. And so what if Phil Jackson quit... if hes the GOAT shouldnt he prove it by winning in any and all situations? with any coach.. any other teammates... other franchise. Jordan retiring was the best thing for his legacy. it gave him the energy to three peat twice...
@@richdixon1572 Really? In pressure situations? How would you define a pressure situation? As far as playoff buzzer beaters, he has the most in history (including MJ and Kobe...who only had 1). As far as shots in the last 2 minutes of a game to go ahead or tie, he has more than Jordan and makes them at a higher percentage. So, what is it...free throws? Identify the pressure situations where lebron routinely misses his free throws. But even if that IS your argument, you're saying that the most clutch SHOOTER in nba history, is not clutch because of free throws. I mean, if that's the best you've got...then that's the best you've got.
@@richdixon1572 what metric are you using to justify that? Because with 5 or 10 seconds on the clock and with either the go-ahead or tying shot on the line, He beats both Kobe and Michael
In LeBron James third year with the Cleveland Cavaliers had plenty of help up until he left that's how he was able to make it to the playoffs before he went to Miami... I need people to stop saying that LeBron James had little-to-no help in Cleveland
Better yet why don't you do your research and go find those quality teams of that era because I already know the quality of the era in the decade where Jordan won his titles... and it goes to show that you know nothing about basketball and you don't do your research do not text me anymore messages
Bird described Jordan’s series against perfectly: That was god playing against us disguised as Mj and now an analyst who was 2 when this series happened wants to tell everyone that he played shit in it
Quit against the mavs too. He expected to win with them only really having dirl. He thought the win would juat happen. But hes always been mentally fragile, too much ego stroking telling him hes the best meant he never learnt to grow as a players everyone always said it was hisnteammates fault
@@jaysandi88 dude doesnt 'show up for every game' and hasnt for a long time, the last time he gave 100% on d was in 2011. Its a fact that hes lazy, given his physical gifts and skill its a crime hes never put in enough effort to get a single dpoy in his career,theres no excuse for this.
You can actually blame Lebron for 2018 dude traded his team away and he wasn’t supposed to get past the pacers the refs cheated for him just like they cheated for him in 2016 after that game 7 with the pacers on first take Stephen A Smith said the nba was not going to allow Lebron to lose that series Bc he brings in money 🤦🏾♂️
The refs ? LOL Jordan was much more protected and it's not close ! ruclips.net/video/9M-KCulzJqg/видео.html 10:34: *"We protected him more than I like to admit, we just simply protected him because he asked us and because we were concerned as well about what the public reaction would be"* ruclips.net/video/mmlfiMDUTQ4/видео.html
@@dynamic6645 ok I watched him get close lined and body slammed two totally different things Lebron doesn’t get touched and he gets calls and Lebron the bigger player 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nick Wright makes some of the most foolish, and utterly ridiculous comments unknown to the senses of intelligence even under the form political correctness... how does he still get to be on TV? Explain this to me again
@@vhpigfeet like skip Bayless I think that he does it for ratings because as smart as claims to be he can't possibly believe that nonsense he's putting out there
MJ did everything he could(humanly possible)to not get swept in that boston series but he's not beating a team of great HOFer's.. he earned their(celtics) respect though.. nick is nothing but a 🤡..
@@m4sterbr0s What exactly is YOUR point? Did you watch the 2018 finals? You didn't see George Hill and JR Smith's play in the last minute if the game? Are you suggesting that winning in the playoffs is NOT a team effort?
@@stupidrules1000 it's a team effort to an extent. Imo, however, you shouldn't get swept in the finals. Look at iverson. Dude had no help, and won one game off of the best postseason team. Why couldn't lebron do so? Also, the spurs (which won 3 less games than the cavs) won a game off of those warriors. No excuses for LeBron
I don't believe anyone could've galvanized that Chicago team but Jordan. He demanded that they up their game. Without him,their careers wouldn't be talked about and I don't believe any one of them would All-Star caliber,except maybe Pippen,although he didn't have the confidence to be a dominant force until playing with Jordan. Many names on that team would've been footnotes in basketball history.
This is ridiculous 😂. Everything bron is currently accused of today.. after 30+ years of silence about any mj negativity.. all the sudden jordan does all the negative stuff lebron does TOO, 30+ years later this just happens to happen while lebron is accused lol
Nick Wright again proved that he is only cherry picking facts to make arguments. And even then his arguments always get destroyed. I think calling him a sports analyst is tarnishing the name of sport analysts.
@@travisoshea you'll be hard presed to find anyone who simplifies the game as much as he does... thats what an analyst does... its ok if he does like the guy that you like... thats what sport is about no? we dont all support the same team... thats what makes the whole thing fun. but to denegrate him cause he thinks someone else is beter than MJ is just being weirdly protective of someone elses legacy
@@Matt-vm9yw I don't think it's crap. Kobe would average 50, too. He did, in fact, score higher points in some of his later games than MJ ever scored. But, I think MJ would have in the same state of the league. Dude was relentless against the bad boy Pistons. He had games with 45 or more points (multiple times).
Curry won a many titles as Lebron in less than half the time on the same team and Nick Wright really said he didn't belong in the same sentence as Lebron.
Lebron has quit multiple times while playing in games where he felt he could not win!! Lebron has also been made to quit by other teams, which is a sign of mental weakness!! Retiring at the end of a season or in the off season not quitting!! The team is fully aware and has time to figure out a plan!! Nobody in this world can ever say Jordan quit in a game or was made to quit by another team!!
Bron did face another great team in the finals in the warriors, Jordan's competition in the finals was a bit weak. Jordan you could maybe argue that the Jazz were a great team despite Malone being an all time playoff choker. But saying Bron is better than Jordan is a poor take for sure
I have seen them both play , if I had a team and my team needed a basket to win the game , I know which one I would want to take that shot . The GOAT Jordan
What do you base that on determination on? Like, is it just your gut feeling, or are you actually looking at their relative performance in these situations? People who say this remind me of the scouts in that movie Moneyball. They say stuff like, his swing looks good, his girlfriend is hot. And I'm like, well if he's a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good? Lebrong has taken more and made more go ahead or tie shots in the last 2 minutes than jordan and makes them at a higher percentage (not to mention that in addition he will also always make the right play in those situations). And he also has more playoff buzzer beaters than anyone in history. So, that's the argument for lebron...what's the argument for Jordan in those situations?
Lebron played one team 4 times in the finals (Golden State) and only beat them ONCE, he even got swept. MJ won every finals his team played. And before anyone says he went to the playoffs 10 times let me insert this argument, he played in a weak Eastern conference where he was a dominant player and he STILL had to join three other all-stars to do that - and STILL lost two of the four finals he played in Miami. Honestly, he hasn't passed Kobe's accomplishments, but we're comparing him to MJ?
You expect LeBron to beat the Warriors when they had KD in 2017 and in 2018? What about in 2015 when Kyrie and Kevin Love were injured? The three losses against Golden State were excusable because either the Cavs were injured (Kyrie wasn’t even on the team in 2018) or the Warriors were overpowered. Oh yeah and didn’t he just win in the West?
Lebron a beast but he ain’t got shit on Kobe let alone MJ… Doesn’t mean he’s trash I mean I’d want lebron on my squad all day every day.. He’s just not like Mike or Kobe.. But nobody is..
@@mturley8414 I’m sorry but accolades and stats wise and also accomplishments wise LeBron James takes out Kobe easily. I still think Kobe is the third greatest player of all time but y’all are overrating him. LeBron has a 73% win percentage against Kobe in the regular season despite Kobe usually having the better team. When LeBron was on the Cavs the first time Kobe was in his prime and had a way better team and LeBron still usually came out on top. In fact out of all of Kobe’s opponents his lowest win percentage came against LeBron. The only thing Kobe has on LeBron is scoring. Throughout LeBron’s career overall he was the better defender for the first thirteen years. Despite both Kobe and LeBron having played 19 seasons in each, LeBron has more points assists and rebounds. (Rebounds doesn’t really matter since LeBron is bigger) Kobe only has two Finals MVPS despite having five championships meanwhile LeBron has four championships and four finals MVPS and four regular season MVPS. Also Kobe only has one MVP. I know LeBron played in a weaker conference, but at the end of the day LeBron is beating who’s in front of him. Also LeBron won in the west just two years ago. And if you want to bring up the fact that he has missed the playoffs twice in the last two years, both of those years he was injured and Kobe also missed the playoffs the last few years of his career.
@@legendarywiimaster that is a great argument and done and written like a professional and thought out.. Much respect to you.. one argument you don’t have is Kobe never jumped ship even when his team sucked and or knew they had no chance for a chip.. I think that’s where lebron losses a lot of credit to his peers, predecessors, and fans … Kobe way more skilled , footwork, and so forth.. Bud I ain’t trying to say lebron is trash by any means.. Great talent.. He’s a mother FUCKEN freak of nature!!!! ….. I just think he’s behind MJ and Kobe.. You see how the 2 of us are trying to prove our point without insult??? I like it.. I’ll argue with you anytime 👍
While I am watching this video, and the highlights within it, I’ve noticed that MJ is lightning, and Lebron is thunder, when analyzing their play styles. Both are forces of nature, you’re scared of both, but one actually shocks you, while one surprises you. You can’t see either of them coming. In this analogy we also see the killer instinct the lighting possessed, that the thunder doesn’t. We can see one is more focusing on embarrassing you, and one is just playing his absolute best. MJ really came to destroy his opponents and that is the clear difference between he, and Lebron James. It wasn’t anything friendly about the way he dunked on Barkley and that’s what Lebron was missing vs some of his friends. This isn’t about who’s the Goat just pointing out that clear cut difference in their attacking styles. MJ is the Goat in my eyes but I understand why younger people choose Lebron, and older heads choose Kareem.
Na bron plays in a watered down soft ass league... Ain't nobody scared of Bron... Grown pro ball players have multiple stories of why they feared jordan.
Hey “Uncut” great stuff as usual!! There’s at least one person out there that knows the truth about how these talking heads try to bring MJs legacy down! They’ve been doing it for so long,so glad ur making these types of videos bro. This ‘debate’ is a joke!
To be fair, I hate the whole "Jordan made the playoffs each of his first three seasons while LeBron didn't" argument. In Jordan's rookie season, the Bulls finished with 38 wins and got the 7th seed while in LeBron's rookie season, the Cavs had 37. In Jordan's second season, he was injured for a majority of it and the Bulls only won 30 games, earning the 8th seed......they only got it because the Knicks, Cavs and Pacers had worse records than the Bulls. In LeBron's second season, the Cavs had 42 wins and barely missed the playoffs (Nets had the same record and got the nod). In Jordan's third season, the team won 40 games and were the 8th seed again while LeBron and the Cavs won 50 and made the playoffs as the 4th seed. Nick Wright is an idiot. Saying Jordan went to the playoffs his first three years while LeBron did not like it's this big accomplishment Jordan has over Lebron is using his idiotic rhetoric......it's the same thing as Wright shitting on Jordan for going 1-9 in the playoffs. Both examples have contest behind them. Jordan carried a shit team to get just good enough records into the playoffs and then were outmatched by better teams.......LeBron had the better all-around team and in three years, the team was able to make it to the playoffs and do so in dominate fashion. That is the only pro-Jordan argument that I do not like.......and I'm a big time pro-Jordan as the GOAT supporter
First of all Mr. Uncut... I like the choice of beats you added a while ago. Straight up, man.🤙🏽 Regarding Nick Wright ... well, to put it in Barkleys' words: Nick's a dude "who never played the game and he never got the girls in highschool" 😀
@@stupidrules1000 as Mr Uncut makes clear in many Videos, Nick Wright is not pretty factual if it comes to comparisons between Jordan and James. At times, flat out lies about stuff. So, ill take Barkleys' understanding of the Sport he played professionally, any time over Nick Wrongs' take on it. to add on it: i dont need to play in the NBA, to grasp, that most of NBAs players still view Jordan as far superior than most.
The players that led dynasties learned to gear their individual greatness for team success.. Simple as that.. Exactly why so many LeBron teams fall short or collapsed completely regardless how bad/decent/super talented his teams are, no structural integrity to last.. That's on him and why he have 6Ls..
we call someone quitter, when he hasn't reach his goal, and stop trying. when a man has achieve his goal, and quit, then comeback, achieve his goal, and quit again. This isn't definition of quitter.
"people won during jordans time" the argument jordan fans make is "once jordan got to the top, no one kicked them off" , yes teams won before and after jordan, but once jordan won, no one else did
That's not the argument they make, and if they do, they don't do so explicitly. But the problem with that argument overall is that it reduces his career to only 6 seasons. And that is bogus.
@@stupidrules1000 that is the ENTIRE argument people make, "jordan won every time he went to the finals, means when jordan was at his height, he won and no one else did"
Lebron James is the worst superstar. He became relevant when he planned the Miami Heat Superteam, started to crowned himself as GOAT when he didn't even won yet then destroyed by the Mavs in 2011, had to stacked his team again to face the young Thunder then destroyed again by the old Spurs and 22 years old Kawhi.
Moreover… Nick and others are no longer arguing for Lebron. They only argue against Jordan, trying to find logical snares, but keep catching themselves. Since Jordan is the absolute focus of their attention, it substantiates his greatness.
Well said young man! I am an old head that was born and raised in Chicago and watched Michael Jordan from the very beginning. For Nick to try to knock Jordan in his early years is downright stupid and ridiculous. People tend to forget that my team could not win 30 games in a season before Michael came. People also forget that he broke his foot the next season and didn't have another full season until 1987. 1987/1988 season was when he won MVP, defensive player of the year, and he averaged over 37 points per game! Not to mention in the 1986 Eastern conference playoffs Michael Jordan dropped 63 points on Larry Bird and company. People also forget that when he was going up against the Detroit Pistons he averaged over 37 points per game. Forget the fact that they were literally trying to take him out. People don't realize that a few points here or there could have won the series.
Correction, Detroit Pistons weren’t trying to take Jordan Out, they were literally trying to”kill” him in my opinion. Evidence on the highlights. Till today I’m surprised that Jordan survived Pistons without career ending injury
@@MoodyG9 That is the very reason why he had to bulk up. Michael said that he credits his trainer, the legendary Tim Grover, for getting him in condition for Detroit.
How? Please apply one of the arguments to lebron and show how it makes is worse (considering the whole, nobody ate thing is something people ONLY say about MJ...and it's factually inaccurate).
@@stupidrules1000 That's far from the only agreement for MJ. Lebron has been in the league 19 years. And only has 4 rings. As apposed to MJ 15 years and 6 rings. Which career would someone havd eaten he most in?
@@MALLYGEEZ1 But nobody is saying that "nobody ate on lebrons watch." So there is no need to make a rebuttal to that point. So, in this instance, there is no argument to apply to lebron. Saying that other people won championships while Jordan played, is NOT an argument against MJ. It is a response to a bad argument for MJ. So again I'll ask, please take an argument that people make "against" MJ and apply it to LeBron, to demonstrate how it looks way worse.
Jordan did take a sabbatical for those 2 years and won with Pippin on every team whereas Lebron played every year went to the finals 8 times in a row 10 times total so far and won with different teams and different teammates. Steph has risen in the all time great rankings and I think he needs to be discussed as in the very top as well.
Only part I disagree with is "Pistons being fair". Between those years, that team had 4 HoFers, 2 All-Stars (not in HoF), and one of the coldest 6th men ever, against MJ and a still developing Scottie Pippen. They still took them to 6 and 7 games in the ECF. It took all of that for one man.
Lebron came 3 votes short of a dpoy, and lost to a guy that didn't even make 1st team all defense....for what that's worth. But also, Jordan had significantly better teams. I mean that's how you explain 6-0 in finals.
@@stupidrules1000 he had an elite defensive stretch for the Miami years and 2009 and 2010 cavs years but Jordan holds better longevity for defense and has the same defensive peaks as Lebron.
LeBron literally walked off the court, abandoning his team, with minutes still on the clock. He's the definition of a quitter.
After souring his bench with a temper tantrum against JR Smith with a entire overtime period to go out and win his ass quit cause he felt he could blame the TIE on JR Smith , not the loss , he through a tantrum cause JR Smith forgot the time on the clock and didn't shoot for the possible 1 point win , so it was a 50\50 chance it would have to go to overtime anyway , so he basically quit cause he had a scapegoat , Mike NEVER did shit like that.
@stevehorno he quit because he found out they had a time out in the huddle 😂ton7524
I've never seen Jordan quit on a game halfway through but I've seen lebron do it many times
I've never even seen Jordan quit on a play!
@@jasonwebb5964 Lebron is the greatest LOSER of all time the most Nba finals losses of any of the marquee superstars players in the modern era, he’s a clutch loser
That nick Wright guy is just looking for attention or he is just a hater.mj as no match.
U told the truth brother
Its obvious its just pure hate.. he hate jordan so much even his soul left him. Haha
Larry Bird: "I would never call him the best player I've ever seen if I wasn't serious."
Magic Johnson: "There's Michael Jordan, and then the rest of us."
Allen Iverson: "Mike is the GOAT, Mike will always be the GOAT."
Shaquille O'Neal: "The Last Dance only solidified the argument about who is the greatest player of all time"
Kevin Durant: "MJ is one of one, God level, incomparable, a pure master in this shit. I'm still watching his games to learn"
Charles Barkley: "He didn't just want to beat his opponents, he wanted to break them. Like I said, no disrespect to Kobe Bryant, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, LeBron James, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, the best thing I've ever seen is Michael Jordan and it was an honor and a privilege to play against him. He is the best player I have ever seen."
Dwyane Wade: "MJ was chosen to be the GOAT."
Jerry West: "He is the best basketball player, the best athlete I have ever seen in my life."
Kevin Garnett: "He saved basketball when basketball was about to be lost. When we had addicts, when kids were coming to camp overweight. Who do you think started coming to camp fit, ready for day one? Who started it's?
Dirk Nowitzki: "The Last Dance was excellent. I was a huge Bulls fan in the '90s. So many things I never knew or had forgotten! MJ is the GOAT."
Patrick Ewing: "LeBron is incredible, but he is not Michael Jordan"
Vince Carter: "I still have to give it to Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant second."
Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon: "When people start comparing LeBron to Jordan, it's not a fair comparison. Jordan was a much more superior player in a tougher league. He was was very creative. That doesn't take anything away from LeBron because He's a great player, but it's not a fair comparison, Jordan is just so superior."
Stephon Marbury: "You really want to rank Jordan? Jordan shouldn't even be in a ranking. I don't know why they keep mentioning MJ's name in the same conversation. LeBron is great, but Jordan is not from this earth. He's just different.
Carmelo Anthony: "MJ is the GOAT. He is the best player of all time, and we all agree with that"
Bruh really made a book of quotes 💀 I guess lerbon only has him on longevity Jordan better at scoring
@@sixstrz8310 the question is does Jordan’s scoring ability make him more valuable than LeBrons longevity?
@@KingJinzo2125 Yes because at the end of the day Jordan has 6 while Lebron has 4, and those titles have made the Bulls go from one of the lowest worth teams in the league to even still the 4th highest net worth. Jordan has the edge in both success and $ value.
Bill Russell: "Michael you're a great player but I don't think you'll play or live long enough to break my record of 11 rings, bur you're welcome to try"
Wilt Chamberlain: "Michael's got 6 but so what, my friend has 11 and the rules were changed from my time to your time to make the game much easier for guards".
@@plainman9887 It still don't matter. What MJ did on the court and his legacy is untouchable!
Bringing up the loss to the '86 Celtics as a knock against Jordan is laughably stupid. That Celtics team is arguably top 5 all time and Jordan averaged 44 ppg for the series with no help. He was the only reason any of those games were even competitive.
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Exactly how many ringless HOF didn't eat because of Bird (3-5 finals record) and Magic (5-9 finals record)? Jordan got his first ring off of Magic. (Magic is my favorite btw) Jordan got 6 rings in 8 yrs. How long has Bron played? He's only got four from moving to better situations and only two came back to back so he's never dominated like Mike did. He could always lay a claim to being the best player while someone else raised the Larry O'Brian over their head which doesn't make any sense. You don't even have to use the totality of MJ's career to end the Bron argument. Bron defenders use his whole career against 1 of Jordan's 3 peats. It's not a debate never has been to many of Bron's peers have beaten him for him to be ahead of MJ. 💯
That Celtics team was also #1 in defense with a 41-1 home record.
Preach !
Exactly that's like when d.rose went up against the heats or that celtics big 3
Jordan when he loses: I need to change myself and trust my teammates more.
LeBron when he loses: I need to change my teammates because i refuse to change anything about myself...
Man preach 💯
So true
LJ shops around to different teams to win a championship. Jordan built a team.
Lmfao. Bron better, 19 seasons and counting with averages of a HOF career 3 times over. Stay mad. The 90s were mid at best
@@KiddFenix delusional.
Bottom line: Retiring is not the same as quitting on your team mid game. Ridiculous comparison.
IKR 💯
tells Jordan's a quitter but defends a player who quit teams when he's not winning 🤡
I know it's ironic isn't it
E fuckin xactly !!
Sorry but Jordan did quit and your era starts when you enter the nba
@@robertbarnes4666 Jordan leaving his team as winners and retiring is very much different than leaving the team as losers going to play for a different team teaming up with other teams’ all stars
@@robertbarnes4666 the definition of Era would largely disagree with you. The 80s an Era would be considered as the bird/magic rivalry Era. The 90s was defined by mj. The 2000s would be defined by kobe arguably. To your point on quitting I would consider retire and quit to be distinctive. Both times MJ retired he likely genuinely intended on retiring from basketball permanently. First he retired when his father passed so likely emotionally charged and pursued baseball. Then he retires do to the coaching change and being older and was working as the director of basketball operations for the wizards. He unretired at the request of the owner with an incentive that never came to fruition. So mj returned to further his goal of being a team owner. He wasn't I'm the shape he needed to be. Which further supports he intended to stay retired. Bron quits when he loses games. Quits and leaves his teams once he finishes using them. He arguably quit being competitive with his decision when he intentionally collude with his friends to try to remove competition from the sport. He failed hilariously and quit emotionally on his team in 2011. Which is unsurprising as he quit on cleavland the year emotionally before leaving to the heat.
Saying Jordan is a quitter is the same as saying lebron is the greatest player of all time. Both statements are not rooted in reality.
😂😂
He did retire 3 times
@@focuz4899 and won 6x in 8yrs
@@focuz4899 yea but he retired after he won cuz he felt like he had nothing to prove, that’s not quitting
That’s going out on top
Jordan is the BOAT. Best of all time. But the Legend is the Goat. Greatest of all time.
How many times did Jordan lose once he reached the finals, 6 - 0. Not one of those went 7 games.
None
A quitter? 😂 someone who wins 3 titles in a row twice is a quitter...😂
Did he not quit ???
@@bskinny6087 If you call quitting retiring after a 3 peat your a idiot!
@@bskinny6087 There's a difference between quitting and going out on top
@@littegreensage7572 still quiting. Stay on top but he knew what was coming coz 99 would have been his downfall
@@stevekahungura5432 No, there is a distinct difference between quitting and going out on top. There's a difference between me, halfway trough learning a new language quitting and me stopping trying to learn the language after I have mastered it. And, whilst yes Jordan did probably take all you said into consideration when he retired, the main reasons he retired was because the people he wanted to play with wouldn't be with the Bulls anymore.
I love how Nick Wrong always says that Jordan has little to no longevity but then simultaneously attributes 2 entire decades to the “Jordan era”
This guy has NOTHING ELSE to talk about. The same topic all day everyday.
Nick Wright/Wrong is a clown,,,
worse analyst ever. Him and Ryan Hollins
@@king-ghost1027 Nope, best analysts ever
@@dynamic6645 no kidding you think really dumb arguments means he is best analyst
I don't think he's ever said that... But you have to admit lebron is the epitome of longevity.
Stepping away from the game after your first 3-peat is completely different than quitting in the NBA Finals when scrubs like Jason Terry and JJ Barea are outplaying you!
None of us know what really would have happened had the Bulls played HOU in '94 & '95 with MJ on the roster. Unlike LeBron, Jordan never backed down from a challenge or gave up on his team when the game was decided. MJ did not know the meaning of quit.
The Bulls would've won, there I solved the mystery for you.
@@zachwachs7913 😆
“Jordan never gave up on his team when the game was decided”
When Lebron does this, it’s stat padding.
@@zachwachs7913 it's a mystery still we don't know cause Michael though he didn't fear Hakeem he did think Hakeem was really really good,Though that would be a. Badass matchup in finals
That would be an intense matchup
Bro.. if Jordan and Hakeem we're both together how much rings would they have
Would it be difficult or no? Though choosing Hakeem wasn't a L Soo these 2 were badasses in the 90s
At this point Nick’s argument against Jordan is “he didn’t win every single season” 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Lebron now has 15 seasons playing NOT winning a ring. That’s MJ’s length of career (that includes 2nd injured season and 95 playing quarter of a season) that Lebron has played and not won. Give it a rest
Playing quarter of a season or not still is playing in a season, if you are going to count lbjs injury seasons it's only right to count mjs also. And getting to a finals to face a juggernaut and falling in the preliminary rounds isn't even comparable 🤔. This kind of argument is just being full of crap and hating.
@@stevekahungura5432 No, it's not. Being a juggernaut (Bulls) will always be superior to facing and beating a juggernaut once.
@@stevekahungura5432 he did count MJs injured season. What are you even talking about?
@@stevekahungura5432 Thats what he did...he included MJs hurt years, and it is still all of LBJs losses lmao.
And if you gonna glorify getting to the finals and losing as if it is a ring, didn't LBJ miss the playoffs, 4x (04, 05, 19, 22)? So is it not better to get to Round 1 than lose in Round ZERO, according to your logic?
Mj has 7 not winning ring
The fact that Steph has won 4 rings in Lebrons prime years, should destroy this entire argument. Not only is LBJ not better than MJ, we're getting close to the point where it can be argued he is not the best player in his own era.
That was never even questioned when Jordan played, even after Kobe emerged.
MJ retired the first time because his father was murdered. Retired the 2nd time because he was loyal to his coach who was pushed out by management. Retired the 3rd time because he was 40 lol. How can you criticise any of these?
I still can’t believe ppl just believe he retired because his dad died.
@@Burgtownhero apparently there was a secret suspension but nobody really knows
Facts
@@fymemo1457 this is ignorance at it's finest. He wasn't on some double secret suspension, with the NBA players union, there's no way to legally (within the CBA) to keep a suspension a secret.
From David Stern himself: “The folklore, the urban legend that I sent him away because he was gambling, ridiculous,” Stern said. “No basis in fact whatever. I could bang on the table and say it’s a calumny, a slanderous lie, or whatever. It’s just not true. Never was and never will be, no matter how many times people ask the question.”
@@Burgtownhero regardless of what else was going on, it is documented his dad was killed and shortly after he retired
Nick Wright is illogical. Jordan got beaten in playoffs before he knew how to win, which is the same excuse LeBron gets in that argument, after Jordan was beating everyone in the league, the teams he beat didn't go to the finals until after he retired, like Knicks, Pacers, and 76ers. The West didn't dominate until after Jordan retired.
You had me at "Nick Wright is illogical."
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Nick right is the only one who is logical... If he see a player better than Lebron he will say that... Jordan fans will die defending Jordan... Everybody has passed Jordan in ever stat and he only went to 6 finals 🤔
@@warageplaylist5938 you are really dumb. Do some actual research and you will see Jordans numbers are in a level that nobody is close to matching.
@@warageplaylist5938 Are you not gonna explain why everyone has? I'll educate you then. Players cannot be touched anymore which makes it alot easier to score in today's game. Even tho the NBA has dealt with it last year players like Harden have made a living from the free throw line in previous years. Imagine MJ playin in this era? It wouldn't even be fair. Btw he's 6-0 in the finals with 6 Finals MVP's. It could of been 8 in a row if he didn't retire.
@@HUGEHEATFAN22 LeBron is bigger and stronger than Jordan and you think he wouldn't survive the 90s 🤔 Your worship of Jordan is pathetic! Clyde Drexler was almost better than Jordan only averaging 6 points less than MJ did and we all knew it and now all of a sudden he is Jesus or something
The Cavs team that LeBron came into his rookie season was an All-star team compared to the team Jordan came into his rookie season. This whole "debate" is a joke. How Nick is even employed is beyond my comprehension.
he creates drama and clicks. and that's his job.
A quitter who won 6 championship lol 😂
Facts
Literally is 6-0 in the finals and did it all with the same team with no allstars in the first 3 peat... Smh at this point Bron fans just talkin to talk.
@@subzero308 no one went a to mention the 3peat! Twice!
i wanna ask Nick how someone could be a quitter and literally take everything personally.
@@subzero308 To consider Scottie Pippen not a all star is blasphemous
A quitter? Last I checked, LJ walked off court mid-game becuase he was losing.
Yeep, Against Phoenix in 2021 First
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In a Row. With Almost 5 Minutes
Remaining in The Game...They Need
To Stop The G🏀AT Debate....M.J.Has
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M.J. Has The Highest Vertical Jump Since The NBA Started Measuring Players in 1970.With 👉🏾 48 Vertical Jump...👉🏾The Best Middle Range Jump Shot.👉🏾 The Best Fade Away Jump Shot.👉🏾One Of The Best Finisher Around The Rim.One Of The Best 🏀 Dunker.
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LBJ logic...
You can't quit, if you don't make the playoffs to begin with
On multiple occasions
No he had cramps, and couldn't flop his way to a ring
@@Flash67751 yeah he had cramps in his mangina😂
I'm just speechless, any so-called sports reporter can run their mouth, buddy where is your championships 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆, MVP's, and much more this is an insult to Basketball!
Nick Wright is what's wrong with basketball.
It's worse than that. Nick Wright is what's wrong with the social media in general. He's a stupid incompetent with an opinion and a forum for expressing his stupidity on a large stage.What qualifications does that dork have to comment on professional sports of any kind,? He allegedly has a broadcasting degree. I'm sorry but that alone doesn't automatically make a person qualified to competently analyze pro basketball. I checked this guy's multiple online bios and none of them fully agree with each other. Did he go to Sracuse or Old Dominion or did he just lie his education online. One bio says he's Irish and one says he is of Brittish descent. I'm starting to think his whole life is a con including the sports analysis he does very badly.
Should've mentioned also Jordan retired in 98 mainly because Krause made it clear he was blowing up the bulls, win or lose. The entire team was being parted; seems like a nice time to retire, like you said, on top.
That is what LeBron fans refuse to understand. Krause didn't want him there, his ego said he could replicate with someone else. Instead of retiring on top LeBron fans say he should have gone somewhere else
those of us who live around Chicago will never forgive Krause for that. and that is why we get so pissed with this Jordan quit bullshit.
@@markmac2206
Preeeeeeeeach! Southside native here.
If Dan Gilbert is the guy that ruined LeBron’s legacy, then Jerry Krause is the guy that ruined MJ’s legacy
so why is that a reason to retire... hes the GOAT, shouldnt he be able to win anywhere in any situation?
Its an insult to compare MJ to lbj. Its like comparing a Lion to a hyena 😂🤣😂
Nick Wright is a delusional individual. He wants us all to believe that LeBron is the GOAT without a shadow of a doubt that he puts himself in such stupid situations that are defenseless. One thing these so called "analysts" should always take into account, CONTEXT!!. Context matters, a lot ! MJ is just better, and there's no shame to lose to MJ. Just like Larry Bird once said: That was GOD playing, disguised as MJ. Pure and simple.
Nick proves that for LeBron fans context is only important for LeBron
And Jordan had the same respect for Bird, as did everyone else in the league. Larry didn't give himself the name "Legend". His competitors did.
*analysts
They didn't call him "black Jesus" for nothing!! I got tired of people debating this! Watching MJ on reruns isn't the same as seeing him play live on TV. People nowadays just don't understand how crazy good he was!!
I love how you say "context" and then give none. A quote from Larry Bird is not context.
You gotta love how Nick put the Rockets on the "Back-to-Back" list against MJ when he wasnt even playing for 90% of that run.
What a clown.
The first fair criticism. The Rockets only won 1 championship while Jordan played. I don't know about the clown thing though. Sometimes we can just let the facts speak for themselves.
But Hakeem got a Wimmer record vs MJ
you know he means during Jordans Career. but why single out the Rockets one?
i'm a houston boy and i was around during those two wins. and MJ not being around really helped the rockets get them rings. not saying the rockets were punks or anything. dream and the glide were one of the greatest duos in history. just telling the truth.
@@maxacorn I agree man. I was a big fan of the Rockets then too. I just hate how Nick will pull any and all BS out of his bag to try & make Lebron the GOAT in everyone's view.
63 pts is insane for an era where players didnt shoot 8-15 or so 3s a game
And in a league when hand checking (actual defense) was legal.
N was against a Boston team who had the best defense in the league that season n were 41-1 at home. He scored 63 on TD garden
As always when you use his arguments he has against Jordan and apply them to LeBron, LeBron looks worse
As always you are making yourself look like a fool who cherry pick arguments only when it suits Jordan. LeBron fans = Best fanbase ever
Jordan worshipers = worst fanbase ever.
@@dynamic6645 you need help!
@@dynamic6645 LeBron fans have the worst arguments ever and you are proof of that
@@dynamic6645 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dynamic6645 What defense would you put up for James to be the GOAT? Tell you what... whatever you put up, Jordan did better.
Facts! Jordan's a quitter!
He was so LAZY he would finish everyone off in 6 games or less just so he could skip game 7s and go to parades instead???
Lebron never did that.
And he wins 6 finals and retired in 2003 so he wouldn’t need to play 20 more seasons and face lebron?????????
Good one 😂
No, he just happened to win ALL of his championships in the absolute weakest era of the NBA (diluted by expansion beginning in 1988 and going through 1998), so he never faced significant competition in the finals (Oh, and we are just going to ignore the times he lost in the playoffs and the times he went to 7 games before the finals).
@@stupidrules1000 No comp in finals? Showtime Lakers with Magic? Portland with Terry Porter, Drexler, Kersey, Cliff, and Duckorth? Suns with Kevin Johnson, Barkley, Majerle and Tom Chambers? Utah with Stockton, Malone, Oostertag? ...that's a better pg, pf, and C than Jordan played WITH his whole career. Expansion Orlando had Penny, Shaq, Dennis Smith, Nick Anderson. Hardly a watered down team. Get your facts straight
@@stupidrules1000 imaginr telling your father that hes weak and hes era is weak right??
If you "flopped" in the 80's you own teammates would kick you for being a PUNK.
Lebron's goofy, bow-legged, out-of-sorts ball handling is always good for a laugh.
🙄
You love Lebron. He takes up so much of your time
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damn, you
may have
a point.
Don't forget his super awkward step backs
MJ destroyed an insane physical defensive team 4-0. When does Lebron ever do that… that’s right… NEVER
EXACTLY!!
"Bcuz they old" says the Bronsexuals
To hell with that! Bron got 4-1 by an aging SPURS
He’s been domination since the 2000s, that era isn’t soft, and the 90s defense wasn’t all of that old heads
Jordan never beat a spurs or warriors type of team he kept getting swept until they got old and left matter of fact pippen never had a losing season with or without Mike or Phil Jordan never had a winning season without pippen ever that's all facts
@@countryrah big facts.
People act like Jordan did ANY winning by himself. Everywhere else any of his significant teammates went, they won without him. He never won, anywhere, any season, without significant teammates.
Pippen never had a losing season and lead other teams to the playoffs, after Jordan. Grant beat Jordan in the playoffs when he left. Rodman won championships before jordan and bounced him from the playoffs. Hell, even Steve kerr won championships after Jordan (in fact, Steve kerr won 4 championships in a row...Jordan never did that).
One of the biggest quitters in nba history from a superstar perspective is lebron bruh. This dudes delusional.
Jordan was not traveling in search of the greatest players to team up with, and at age 38 he did have a single All-star on his team.
Exactly!!
yeah what kind of a quitter comes out of retirement at age 38 to play for a dumpster fire franchise?
True, but allstars are not built the same.
@@markmac2206 the type who thinks hes still got it
@@jaysandi88 no he don't. Those knees are shot!
Jordan never lost in the finals and never hit a game 7. Also him practically taking off 2 of his prime years, and still being on top, imagine if he would stayed. Whose to say those wouldn’t have been the best seasons of his career
look at the competition he faced, in those finals and 2 that man was getting bounced out the first round for 8 seasons straight! mention that too
@@stanleybalan55 pretty much every year by the team that would win the title or go to the finals. All while playing with the worst team in the league. Mention that, too
Imagine if Kobe had half a personality 😂 him and Shaq could have won 10 straight…
Should have would have could have. Irrelevant.
Nick Wright makes me cringe more than anyone in any field. He is so hard to watch.
You stay bodying that clown..Dude has some incredibly ridiculous takes. Like the one he said where once the warriors got Wiggins Steph would never win another championship...
At least his 50 player list ain't too bad apart from #20.
Although Wright is a clown, why do I never see anyone bring up that nose he has on him? Like wtf is that
@@unsilencedmajority861 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@unsilencedmajority861 he looks like a literal dolphin and has the voice of one too
That's gold.
So LeFraud lost his first 9 years, joined a super team and got destroyed. It took Allen saving him from elimination in a sure win of a 5 point lead with 23 seconds to go in 99.999998% of games ever played. The Spurs came back the following year with a Gentleman's Sweep to remind the world that both titles were really theirs. This forces him to leave to join the Cavs. Once again, were it not for Kyrie Irving killing it in game 3 at home, that series ends in another sweep at home with no 7th game dagger. He literally sustains a back to back ass whipping so severe, he literally quit in both series and benches himself with entire quarters to go. How's that for goat? Joins the Lakers and has been eliminated 3 out of 4 years. Nobody counts the trash bubble participation trophy. This is your goat Nick? Pretty high standards there.
Nick thought LeBron was the greatest player ever after 2016. He's been wrong on just about every single thing that comes out of his mouth. LeBron just doesn't stack up against Michael Jordan. Maybe the on court product, especially in the regular season was better, but Jordan literally never had an objectively bad playoff series. I'm not saying LeBron should've carried Cleveland to 2007 and 2018 Finals wins, because the odds were definitely not in his favor, but if he was the G.O.A.T., he wouldn't have gotten swept in both series. Not to mention, if he plays average in the 2011 Finals, they beat Dallas in 6.
Boggles the mind how people worship lebron , he’s barely top 5 all time, so many flaws in his game and career compared to other legends.
@@Chrisrobbabarely top 5? LeBron haters act like he’s not top 75
As a longtime Spurs hater, thank goodness they didn’t win both titles.
@@chrisuncleahmad that’s exaggerating a lot, when we talking about the best ever yeah he’s around the 5th spot for me. I don’t hate him I just don’t think he’s as skilled as a few others guys all time. His own era of players don’t think he’s the best and a lot don’t even respect him. Mj magic bird Kobe kareem Hakeem guys like that were respected as the best players with lebron it’s always “he’s great give him credit where it’s due but…(fill in the blank)”
I would take Jordan or Larry Bird over Lebron if all was in their prime. Saying Jordan quit after his Father was murdered is just wrong. He took time off to mourn.
nick wrong is ridiculous, how he has a job as a sports analyst defies logic!
Sell yourself to the industry and you’ll get a job quick, no matter how dumb you are
he has a job because hes actually a good analyst... dont descredit the man because he has a diffferent viewpoint to you... not everyone has Jordan as #1... but i guess you'll all call us delusional
@@jaysandi88 that’s because you are
@@karticid4124 lol... Exactly my point
The thing that got me rolling was when Nick said Kobe and Shaq got their ring on Jordan's watch when he was 38. Uh, fact check Jordan was smoking a cigar at home RETIRED (which means he wasn't playing in the league when KB and Shaq won their ring). Same for when Nick said the Rockets went back to back. He didn't even play in 94 and only played a tiny percent of games in 95! This I why people need to fact check themselves before they steamroll into an argument!
“Only 5 teams won on his watch” …but the issue is the narrative is that nobody ate on Michael’s watch 😂
When Jordan got to the top he ran the table. Being young in the nba on a trash team playing dynasties doesn’t really count as “his watch”.
Nick is the type of 'Analyst' that the moment you see him on your screen you immediately turn your ch or leave the room... you never take anything somebody like that has to say serious in the slightest..
So true 😂
Except LBJ fans hold him as gospel truth
He also fails to take into consideration that training is different, nutrition is different, access to particular resources are different and it's a different game over all now. This NBA isn't half as physical nor grueling than it was during Jordan's time.
Nick will never utter a word about PED's!
The fact that they hold Jordan’s break from basketball against him is crazy. His dad was murdered and Jordan needed time to work through the tragedy. It’s so low to try to hold that against him.
Jordan came back after a 3 year layoff to play with the Wizards when he was 38 years and 8 months old. Jordan turned 39 4 months into that 2002 season. Jordan basically played at 39 and 40 years old for the Wizards. That first season he had the Wizards at a 26-21 record at the all star break and his game was improving averaging 25pts 6 boards and 5 assists. Those were prime Kobe numbers at the age of 39. Jordan then tore the miniscus in his knee not from pushing himself physically but from a freak accident from his Wizard teammate running into Jordan after a play was over. Jordan retired in the summer of 93 only because he was in mourning from his Father being shot and murdered. In 98 Jordan retired because the general manager Jerry Krause broke up the team and fired Coach Phil Jackson. Had Jordan not retired from the Bulls those two times he would have 8 to 10 chips. All in a freakin row!!!!
He had them on track huh? How did those seasons end? 37 and 45. Oh, but he was hurt.....OK, next season, all 82 games...37 and 45.
And um....ppg...22 and 20. LeBron averaged 30 at 38. Like, come on people. You can believe MJ was better. Reasonable people can disagree...but damn, can you make logical arguments though.
this sounds like the Jordan narrative we've always been given to try and cover the cracks in the legacy... cause according to Jordan fans.. he NEVER put a foot wrong. thing is, nobody forced Jordan to quit in 98, NOBODY. He couldve gone to any team he wanted. Nobody forced him to come back in 01 either. if hes in the league hes good enough to play no? the dad dying excuse is an old one, which is ironic because you all always say how mentally tough Jordan was. how many players have had their parents die DURING the season (not in the off season like Jordan) and still play the very next game? thats an EXTREMELY WEAK argument. Jordan wouldnt have won 8 straight, because he was fatigued and had to load manage. And so what if Phil Jackson quit... if hes the GOAT shouldnt he prove it by winning in any and all situations? with any coach.. any other teammates... other franchise. Jordan retiring was the best thing for his legacy. it gave him the energy to three peat twice...
@@jaysandi88 I'm saying! You hit it on the head.
The fact that LeBron treats the free throw line in the clutch like walking the plank is all I need to know to disqualify him from the GOAT title.
Again...this is something you just made up.
@@stupidrules1000 LeBron is trash in the pressure situation. He a top 25 all time though
@@richdixon1572 Really? In pressure situations? How would you define a pressure situation? As far as playoff buzzer beaters, he has the most in history (including MJ and Kobe...who only had 1). As far as shots in the last 2 minutes of a game to go ahead or tie, he has more than Jordan and makes them at a higher percentage. So, what is it...free throws? Identify the pressure situations where lebron routinely misses his free throws. But even if that IS your argument, you're saying that the most clutch SHOOTER in nba history, is not clutch because of free throws. I mean, if that's the best you've got...then that's the best you've got.
@@richdixon1572the most clutch player of all time 😂 you haters are something else.
@@richdixon1572 what metric are you using to justify that?
Because with 5 or 10 seconds on the clock and with either the go-ahead or tying shot on the line, He beats both Kobe and Michael
Does this guy not remember when Lebron resigned himself to playing from the outside when Dallas frustrated him in the 2011 NBA Finals?
4:02 "So, Nick Wright actually went there.. and made an absolute fool of himself in the process." 😆🤣🤣
☝🏽 I always say. This my favorite hoops channel.
In LeBron James third year with the Cleveland Cavaliers had plenty of help up until he left that's how he was able to make it to the playoffs before he went to Miami... I need people to stop saying that LeBron James had little-to-no help in Cleveland
Yea. That team wasn't terrible. Plus the East was extra extra weak in 2005
@@KaineTremaine hahaha 😆 😂 🤣 he said the East was extra weak in 2005
@@louburgunde9719 name the quality teams or go sit down somewhere
Better yet why don't you do your research and go find those quality teams of that era because I already know the quality of the era in the decade where Jordan won his titles... and it goes to show that you know nothing about basketball and you don't do your research do not text me anymore messages
@@louburgunde9719 east was horrible. ur in denial lmao
Bird described Jordan’s series against perfectly: That was god playing against us disguised as Mj and now an analyst who was 2 when this series happened wants to tell everyone that he played shit in it
I saw bron quit in the playoffs against the suns 🤷🏿♂️
No you didn't
He quit against Houston when he played in Miami
Quit against the mavs too. He expected to win with them only really having dirl. He thought the win would juat happen. But hes always been mentally fragile, too much ego stroking telling him hes the best meant he never learnt to grow as a players everyone always said it was hisnteammates fault
the dude showed up for EVERY game... being outmatched is a thing... especially when your top teammate gets injuredand you're injured yourself
@@jaysandi88 dude doesnt 'show up for every game' and hasnt for a long time, the last time he gave 100% on d was in 2011. Its a fact that hes lazy, given his physical gifts and skill its a crime hes never put in enough effort to get a single dpoy in his career,theres no excuse for this.
You can actually blame Lebron for 2018 dude traded his team away and he wasn’t supposed to get past the pacers the refs cheated for him just like they cheated for him in 2016 after that game 7 with the pacers on first take Stephen A Smith said the nba was not going to allow Lebron to lose that series Bc he brings in money 🤦🏾♂️
The refs ? LOL Jordan was much more protected and it's not close !
ruclips.net/video/9M-KCulzJqg/видео.html 10:34: *"We protected him more than I like to admit, we just simply protected him because he asked us and because we were concerned as well about what the public reaction would be"*
ruclips.net/video/mmlfiMDUTQ4/видео.html
@@dynamic6645 ok I watched him get close lined and body slammed two totally different things Lebron doesn’t get touched and he gets calls and Lebron the bigger player 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@IDONTPLAYGAMESHO You watched him getting close lined only vs detroit, I mean even James Harden doesn't get calls like this !
Nah this some insane dickeating
@@IDONTPLAYGAMESHO Michael Jordan asked the media to protect him, I thought the 90's had *"real men"* ? Lol
I don't understand how anyone can say Lebron is better than Jordan. It don't even make sense what did Lebron do for basketball that Jordan didn't.
Nick Wright makes some of the most foolish, and utterly ridiculous comments unknown to the senses of intelligence even under the form political correctness... how does he still get to be on TV? Explain this to me again
Ridiculous takes = ridiculous views
@@vhpigfeet exactly
@@vhpigfeet like skip Bayless I think that he does it for ratings because as smart as claims to be he can't possibly believe that nonsense he's putting out there
@@louburgunde9719 I hope It was funny but I can’t stand hearing him talk about Steph curry it’s just so cringe
@@vhpigfeet I think I might have heard him speak on Steph Curry before, but I know his take on segment has ridiculously stupid
MJ did everything he could(humanly possible)to not get swept in that boston series but he's not beating a team of great HOFer's.. he earned their(celtics) respect though.. nick is nothing but a 🤡..
And yet they got SWEPT. Almost like you're saying winning in the playoffs is a team accomplishment, not an individual one.
@@stupidrules1000 and? LeBron got swept in the finals TWICE, when he clearly could have lost in 5 (arguably 6 in 2018 finals)
@@m4sterbr0s What exactly is YOUR point? Did you watch the 2018 finals? You didn't see George Hill and JR Smith's play in the last minute if the game? Are you suggesting that winning in the playoffs is NOT a team effort?
Yeah those Celtics would've shut down anybody else. Mj averaged 44 points in that series.
@@stupidrules1000 it's a team effort to an extent. Imo, however, you shouldn't get swept in the finals. Look at iverson. Dude had no help, and won one game off of the best postseason team. Why couldn't lebron do so?
Also, the spurs (which won 3 less games than the cavs) won a game off of those warriors. No excuses for LeBron
I don't believe anyone could've galvanized that Chicago team but Jordan. He demanded that they up their game. Without him,their careers wouldn't be talked about and I don't believe any one of them would All-Star caliber,except maybe Pippen,although he didn't have the confidence to be a dominant force until playing with Jordan. Many names on that team would've been footnotes in basketball history.
and remember Jordan never got sweeped in a 7 game series
lol... so he got swept.... just not in a 7 games series lol.
Lmao just lost the first round 🤣🤣
labron got swept twice in the finals
@@s.4275 how observant of you
The fact he has to straight up lie shows how weak his argument is. Great video bro
what did he lie about?
@@jaysandi88 did u watch the video?
@@karticid4124 yes...
Even if it was true it's still weak
This is ridiculous 😂. Everything bron is currently accused of today.. after 30+ years of silence about any mj negativity.. all the sudden jordan does all the negative stuff lebron does TOO, 30+ years later this just happens to happen while lebron is accused lol
Nick Wright again proved that he is only cherry picking facts to make arguments. And even then his arguments always get destroyed.
I think calling him a sports analyst is tarnishing the name of sport analysts.
you are right. He's not an analyst, he's a sports commentator.
@@travisoshea naw more like a LeBron fangirl
@@travisoshea you'll be hard presed to find anyone who simplifies the game as much as he does... thats what an analyst does... its ok if he does like the guy that you like... thats what sport is about no? we dont all support the same team... thats what makes the whole thing fun. but to denegrate him cause he thinks someone else is beter than MJ is just being weirdly protective of someone elses legacy
The only thing Lebron is better at than Jordan is funding his own analyst and media platforms to get this GOAT debate going.
Ya playing making , more points , rebounds, assist, and blocks. Better all around player, played way harder Era and finals teams. But ua your right 🤣
Lebron after losing to GS in 2018. Don't forget that when they got swept. Unlike Jordan, when they got swept by the Boston Celtics, he never walks off
Why does Nick Wright still have a job.. Dude, knows NOTHING about sports at all
Because he's there to generate controversy.
That's his role, to make you angry so you watch and/or talk about the show he's on.
Jordan would average 40-50 points a game in this current NBA era & still shut down other teams best players
Kobe was mike, he didnt average 50. This take is cap. Mike is still the goat though.
@@Matt-vm9yw I don't think it's crap. Kobe would average 50, too. He did, in fact, score higher points in some of his later games than MJ ever scored. But, I think MJ would have in the same state of the league. Dude was relentless against the bad boy Pistons. He had games with 45 or more points (multiple times).
@@ryanburchett8455 kobe didnt average 50 though, they both would have had high scoring games but noone alive dead or in the future will average 50.
I know that when I watch Jordan’s game 5 in Utah I really reflect on what a quitter he was.
Curry won a many titles as Lebron in less than half the time on the same team and Nick Wright really said he didn't belong in the same sentence as Lebron.
Not to mention, 3 of those titles he beat LeBron 😂 😂 😂 they never ever have brought this up.
You’re comparing arguably the great team in history against LeBron and the fact he averaged a triple double against them but y’all just haters 😂
@@RyanMrTsunamiBishop 🤣🤣
@@ramonawashington6391 🤣🤣🤣
Lol this guy just made Nick Wright look STUPID!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Nick Wright really does it to himself. Dude is a fool
Lebron has quit multiple times while playing in games where he felt he could not win!! Lebron has also been made to quit by other teams, which is a sign of mental weakness!!
Retiring at the end of a season or in the off season not quitting!! The team is fully aware and has time to figure out a plan!!
Nobody in this world can ever say Jordan quit in a game or was made to quit by another team!!
I've never heard of Nick Wright, and now I know why. LMAO
In 86 Bird won 67 games not 65
And not afraid to say it Jordan better 'Bron
#keepthatsameenergy
Bron did face another great team in the finals in the warriors, Jordan's competition in the finals was a bit weak. Jordan you could maybe argue that the Jazz were a great team despite Malone being an all time playoff choker. But saying Bron is better than Jordan is a poor take for sure
can we come up with the point that Lebron played with zydraunas Illgauskies who was an all star in 2005
Jordan actually was 38 going on 39 when he joined the Wizards. He turned 39 around the All Star break of his first year with the Wizards.
What number did Lebron wear for like half of his career..? Nuff said.
I have seen them both play , if I had a team and my team needed a basket to win the game , I know which one I would want to take that shot . The GOAT Jordan
What do you base that on determination on? Like, is it just your gut feeling, or are you actually looking at their relative performance in these situations?
People who say this remind me of the scouts in that movie Moneyball. They say stuff like, his swing looks good, his girlfriend is hot. And I'm like, well if he's a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good?
Lebrong has taken more and made more go ahead or tie shots in the last 2 minutes than jordan and makes them at a higher percentage (not to mention that in addition he will also always make the right play in those situations). And he also has more playoff buzzer beaters than anyone in history.
So, that's the argument for lebron...what's the argument for Jordan in those situations?
Lebron played one team 4 times in the finals (Golden State) and only beat them ONCE, he even got swept. MJ won every finals his team played. And before anyone says he went to the playoffs 10 times let me insert this argument, he played in a weak Eastern conference where he was a dominant player and he STILL had to join three other all-stars to do that - and STILL lost two of the four finals he played in Miami. Honestly, he hasn't passed Kobe's accomplishments, but we're comparing him to MJ?
You expect LeBron to beat the Warriors when they had KD in 2017 and in 2018? What about in 2015 when Kyrie and Kevin Love were injured? The three losses against Golden State were excusable because either the Cavs were injured (Kyrie wasn’t even on the team in 2018) or the Warriors were overpowered. Oh yeah and didn’t he just win in the West?
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
Lebron a beast but he ain’t got shit on Kobe let alone MJ… Doesn’t mean he’s trash I mean I’d want lebron on my squad all day every day.. He’s just not like Mike or Kobe.. But nobody is..
@@mturley8414 I’m sorry but accolades and stats wise and also accomplishments wise LeBron James takes out Kobe easily. I still think Kobe is the third greatest player of all time but y’all are overrating him. LeBron has a 73% win percentage against Kobe in the regular season despite Kobe usually having the better team. When LeBron was on the Cavs the first time Kobe was in his prime and had a way better team and LeBron still usually came out on top. In fact out of all of Kobe’s opponents his lowest win percentage came against LeBron. The only thing Kobe has on LeBron is scoring. Throughout LeBron’s career overall he was the better defender for the first thirteen years. Despite both Kobe and LeBron having played 19 seasons in each, LeBron has more points assists and rebounds. (Rebounds doesn’t really matter since LeBron is bigger) Kobe only has two Finals MVPS despite having five championships meanwhile LeBron has four championships and four finals MVPS and four regular season MVPS. Also Kobe only has one MVP. I know LeBron played in a weaker conference, but at the end of the day LeBron is beating who’s in front of him. Also LeBron won in the west just two years ago. And if you want to bring up the fact that he has missed the playoffs twice in the last two years, both of those years he was injured and Kobe also missed the playoffs the last few years of his career.
@@legendarywiimaster that is a great argument and done and written like a professional and thought out.. Much respect to you.. one argument you don’t have is Kobe never jumped ship even when his team sucked and or knew they had no chance for a chip.. I think that’s where lebron losses a lot of credit to his peers, predecessors, and fans … Kobe way more skilled , footwork, and so forth.. Bud I ain’t trying to say lebron is trash by any means.. Great talent.. He’s a mother FUCKEN freak of nature!!!! ….. I just think he’s behind MJ and Kobe.. You see how the 2 of us are trying to prove our point without insult??? I like it.. I’ll argue with you anytime 👍
Nick Wright should change his name to Nick Wwrong 😂
While I am watching this video, and the highlights within it, I’ve noticed that MJ is lightning, and Lebron is thunder, when analyzing their play styles.
Both are forces of nature, you’re scared of both, but one actually shocks you, while one surprises you. You can’t see either of them coming.
In this analogy we also see the killer instinct the lighting possessed, that the thunder doesn’t. We can see one is more focusing on embarrassing you, and one is just playing his absolute best.
MJ really came to destroy his opponents and that is the clear difference between he, and Lebron James. It wasn’t anything friendly about the way he dunked on Barkley and that’s what Lebron was missing vs some of his friends.
This isn’t about who’s the Goat just pointing out that clear cut difference in their attacking styles. MJ is the Goat in my eyes but I understand why younger people choose Lebron, and older heads choose Kareem.
U made one mistake in that analogy NO ONE and i mean NO ONE was afraid of Lebron but they were afraid of MJ
@@fitzroymarcano4565 his friends were. Just look at AD being his lapdog.
Na bron plays in a watered down soft ass league... Ain't nobody scared of Bron... Grown pro ball players have multiple stories of why they feared jordan.
@@fuddyduddie1205 AFRAID??? More like fed up of his way of playing the game and blaming every1 else when he loses
Hey “Uncut” great stuff as usual!!
There’s at least one person out there that knows the truth about how these talking heads try to bring MJs legacy down!
They’ve been doing it for so long,so glad ur making these types of videos bro.
This ‘debate’ is a joke!
MJ hung out with Bulls and built 2 Dynasties. He wasn't recruiting his "friends" and going "ring hunting". (1) MJ; (2) Black Mamba
Do you remember Kobe demanded a trade in 07
Why won't Lebron go ring hunting did you expect him to rot like Lillard in one team
Dope video. Nick Wright is a Jordan hater.
Yes, you are correct! MJ the GOAT. No question about it!
Bill Russell?
@@bskinny6087 debatable but respect it
@@ericmcbrayer5738 respect your opinions to
To be fair, I hate the whole "Jordan made the playoffs each of his first three seasons while LeBron didn't" argument.
In Jordan's rookie season, the Bulls finished with 38 wins and got the 7th seed while in LeBron's rookie season, the Cavs had 37. In Jordan's second season, he was injured for a majority of it and the Bulls only won 30 games, earning the 8th seed......they only got it because the Knicks, Cavs and Pacers had worse records than the Bulls. In LeBron's second season, the Cavs had 42 wins and barely missed the playoffs (Nets had the same record and got the nod). In Jordan's third season, the team won 40 games and were the 8th seed again while LeBron and the Cavs won 50 and made the playoffs as the 4th seed.
Nick Wright is an idiot. Saying Jordan went to the playoffs his first three years while LeBron did not like it's this big accomplishment Jordan has over Lebron is using his idiotic rhetoric......it's the same thing as Wright shitting on Jordan for going 1-9 in the playoffs. Both examples have contest behind them. Jordan carried a shit team to get just good enough records into the playoffs and then were outmatched by better teams.......LeBron had the better all-around team and in three years, the team was able to make it to the playoffs and do so in dominate fashion.
That is the only pro-Jordan argument that I do not like.......and I'm a big time pro-Jordan as the GOAT supporter
First of all Mr. Uncut...
I like the choice of beats you added a while ago. Straight up, man.🤙🏽
Regarding Nick Wright ... well, to put it in Barkleys' words: Nick's a dude "who never played the game and he never got the girls in highschool" 😀
Both are relevant to one's ability to analyze sports (but then....did you play in the NBA? And what did your high school roster look like?)
@@stupidrules1000 as Mr Uncut makes clear in many Videos, Nick Wright is not pretty factual if it comes to comparisons between Jordan and James. At times, flat out lies about stuff. So, ill take Barkleys' understanding of the Sport he played professionally, any time over Nick Wrongs' take on it.
to add on it: i dont need to play in the NBA, to grasp, that most of NBAs players still view Jordan as far superior than most.
The players that led dynasties learned to gear their individual greatness for team success.. Simple as that.. Exactly why so many LeBron teams fall short or collapsed completely regardless how bad/decent/super talented his teams are, no structural integrity to last.. That's on him and why he have 6Ls..
He holds the record for hall of fame teammates at 13 compared to Jordan's 3 lol.
we call someone quitter, when he hasn't reach his goal, and stop trying.
when a man has achieve his goal, and quit, then comeback, achieve his goal, and quit again. This isn't definition of quitter.
Just watch the last minute Jordan played for the bulls no one will ever come close
"people won during jordans time" the argument jordan fans make is "once jordan got to the top, no one kicked them off" , yes teams won before and after jordan, but once jordan won, no one else did
That's not the argument they make, and if they do, they don't do so explicitly. But the problem with that argument overall is that it reduces his career to only 6 seasons. And that is bogus.
@@stupidrules1000 that is the ENTIRE argument people make, "jordan won every time he went to the finals, means when jordan was at his height, he won and no one else did"
Lebron James is the worst superstar. He became relevant when he planned the Miami Heat Superteam, started to crowned himself as GOAT when he didn't even won yet then destroyed by the Mavs in 2011, had to stacked his team again to face the young Thunder then destroyed again by the old Spurs and 22 years old Kawhi.
Nick needs to go talk about Pickle ball smh lol.
Amazing vid as always, nick wright is so delusional when bron is brought up that it pains me to watch him and his delusions...
I like hearing nick talk
He ALWAYS gives me a good laugh about how stupid he sounds
Moreover… Nick and others are no longer arguing for Lebron. They only argue against Jordan, trying to find logical snares, but keep catching themselves. Since Jordan is the absolute focus of their attention, it substantiates his greatness.
Well said young man! I am an old head that was born and raised in Chicago and watched Michael Jordan from the very beginning. For Nick to try to knock Jordan in his early years is downright stupid and ridiculous. People tend to forget that my team could not win 30 games in a season before Michael came. People also forget that he broke his foot the next season and didn't have another full season until 1987. 1987/1988 season was when he won MVP, defensive player of the year, and he averaged over 37 points per game! Not to mention in the 1986 Eastern conference playoffs Michael Jordan dropped 63 points on Larry Bird and company. People also forget that when he was going up against the Detroit Pistons he averaged over 37 points per game. Forget the fact that they were literally trying to take him out. People don't realize that a few points here or there could have won the series.
Correction, Detroit Pistons weren’t trying to take Jordan Out, they were literally trying to”kill” him in my opinion. Evidence on the highlights. Till today I’m surprised that Jordan survived Pistons without career ending injury
@@MoodyG9 That is the very reason why he had to bulk up. Michael said that he credits his trainer, the legendary Tim Grover, for getting him in condition for Detroit.
I tell these dudes all the time. These arguments against MJ look way worse when applied to lebron.
How? Please apply one of the arguments to lebron and show how it makes is worse (considering the whole, nobody ate thing is something people ONLY say about MJ...and it's factually inaccurate).
@@stupidrules1000
That's far from the only agreement for MJ. Lebron has been in the league 19 years. And only has 4 rings. As apposed to MJ 15 years and 6 rings. Which career would someone havd eaten he most in?
@@MALLYGEEZ1 But nobody is saying that "nobody ate on lebrons watch." So there is no need to make a rebuttal to that point. So, in this instance, there is no argument to apply to lebron. Saying that other people won championships while Jordan played, is NOT an argument against MJ. It is a response to a bad argument for MJ.
So again I'll ask, please take an argument that people make "against" MJ and apply it to LeBron, to demonstrate how it looks way worse.
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I know no one is saying no one ate on Lebron watch. I asked you specific questions.
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Also, Nick Wright used that exact argument for lebron and against MJ. and it looks way way worse on lebron.
Jordan did take a sabbatical for those 2 years and won with Pippin on every team whereas Lebron played every year went to the finals 8 times in a row 10 times total so far and won with different teams and different teammates.
Steph has risen in the all time great rankings and I think he needs to be discussed as in the very top as well.
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Never known a player (Not named Bill Russell) in any team sport that always won the title every year...
Even Russell lost in the Finals
Yeah, every year, except the years he didn't win....lol
You can't even put Russell in the convo. He really was playing in a league of midgets with next to no athleticism.
Only part I disagree with is "Pistons being fair".
Between those years, that team had 4 HoFers, 2 All-Stars (not in HoF), and one of the coldest 6th men ever, against MJ and a still developing Scottie Pippen.
They still took them to 6 and 7 games in the ECF. It took all of that for one man.
I'd like to see this guy explain 6-0 in championship finals! And especially when LeBron plays defense when he feels like it!
Lebron came 3 votes short of a dpoy, and lost to a guy that didn't even make 1st team all defense....for what that's worth. But also, Jordan had significantly better teams. I mean that's how you explain 6-0 in finals.
@@stupidrules1000 he had an elite defensive stretch for the Miami years and 2009 and 2010 cavs years but Jordan holds better longevity for defense and has the same defensive peaks as Lebron.