I regularly say to people when they miss a shot: "You've got a big piece of shit on your bat..!" When they look at blade... I say: "No... on the handle !"... Lol.😂
Everybody is saying: now I know how to beat a pusher but the reality probably is you can't topspin that well, otherwise you would have come to that conclusion already.
A pusher meant nothing to me. I was a two-wing looper and practiced regularly against a plywood backstop propped up behind the table, in the basement. Unless he was also a very _very_ good blocker he'd be picking up off-the-bounce bullet-looped balls in the backcourt for almost every point.
If you can not do a topspin properly, than you need to train it (good rubber also can make your top spin easier) unless you are a defender type of player...
A huge component of learning topspin is the rubber. There's a world of difference between premade starter paddles and custom ones, even one as cheap as $90
RUclips Commenter in china the sport is basically called ping-pong, just with a different pronounciation and the chinese word for „ball“ in the end of it
This is exactly what I needed to see and the timing was perfect. Just joined a table tennis club in a senior citizen community after being away from any serious play for almost 40 years. 80% of the intermediate players are pushers who have great consistency, but are very frustrating as I am still recovering my skills. Definitely need to work on my topspin shots. Going to get some practice with the robot today!
Great tips as always Tom! I really needed this lesson after yesterday’s push battles. You are absolutely correct and I have to not give up after a couple of unsuccessful topspin shots. I’m so trying this today!
Wow so useful, amazing advice. A coach of 15 years was telling me to just keeping push back, terrible advice, especially since I am very attacking and my forehand game is strong and defence game is weaker.
Another advice from my coach for my fellow topspinners who struggle against pushers: try to make a 'soft' push, taking out much of the backspin of the ball, and after his push its easier to topspin it and start the offensive play. Great video as always, I hope I'll be able to apply this strategy against my next pusher opponent!
Pushers and blockers are easy to beat. All my friends do one or both of these styles and none of them can beat me. I'm undefeated when playing at my friends house on Wednesday nights when we all play. I play with topspin and can dictate every point unless I make a mistake. They appear to be decent players if I push and block with them and we can have some amazing rallies, but as soon as I attack, they fall apart quickly. You are also right about topspin serves against them. I use a topspin serve 90% of the time because it gets me so many free points.
@@madsweber9127 Yes, It's actually starting to hold me back. I just recently got back into TT because my friend got a table and started having a TT night on Wednesday's. At first it was fun playing them because I wasn't too much better than they are. But I've progressed very fast since I played a lot 25 years ago as a teenager when I also played tennis (which was my favorite sport and I had a lot of natural ability in). Now I'm so much better than them it's starting to get boring because I only need to play at 50% or less to beat them -- almost all their points on me are my own unforced errors -- they have almost no ability to play offense because they get nervous and just go for safe shots. If I play aggressively at all I immediately win the point and never get any good rallies. Therefore, I just feed them slow topspin shots so I can at least have some practice on my technique. I keep trying to show them tips and tricks to progress their games but everyone just wants to push and block even though they see me dominating them all by using topspin and placement. I'm going to have to find a league to play in if I want to get better.
I generally don’t comment on much. But your videos are a gem for a amateur like me who WAS struggling against a couple of pushers. You’re right, the pushers have hit a ceiling. After a lot of losses, I was able to convert the game from a backspin to top spin, and they still push or chop leaving me with a very juicy ball that I smash with all the joy in the world. However, it’s exhausting playing against pushers but it’s worthwhile after a win.
Thank You once again for your pep talk !! I have two pushers in my club group. One of them I have been able to "manage" consistenty with your advise. The other is proving more difficult. But I'll definitely get there.... I just need consistent confidence in my own game. cheers !
I have just discovered your channel Tom and am really enjoying the videos. I agree with your comment about pushers as I became one after a coach advised me I would win more games. During 20 years of playing the local league, my results were very good but I didn’t enjoy myself and I don’t feel I won any games, it was just that the other player lost! After a 15 year break, I have now joined a small group of fun players where winning doesn’t matter and thanks to your tips am beginning to bring topspin back into my game. Keep up the good work.
Very nice for players who start thinking seriously about the game and wanting move above amateur level. Thanks for motivating towards the end. Can you make videos on how to tackle flat hitter who hit flat on your pushes and when you are yet to develop consistent topspin game? Tips or strategies for intermediate players against consistent blockers or passive attackers like Vladimir Samsonov? btw I meant no disrespect for samsonov.
Hi - yes I plan to make more tactic videos in the future. In the meantime here's an article I wrote on how to beat a flat hitter: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-big-flat-hitter/ and here is an article on how to beat blocker: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-blocker/
Thank you so much just lost to a stupid slow pusher and had an early exit from the tournament but your video has guides and positively motivated me. Will play in this style and revert, I am feeling awesome right now!
The theory on how to beat a pusher is quite straight forward, but you still need to put in lots of practice with your loops before you start consistently winning. So go practice LOADS and good luck!
Very good advice. This discovery for me was many years ago but it was the single biggest improvement to my competitive ability. My favorite way to convert the game into a topspin attack is the backhand flick... A very effective shot once perfected.
Very nice video. Don't become a Pusher yourself. The Top Players are always Attacking Players . They don't care about missing few of those Smashes. They stick to Attacking most of the time.
Ran into this at tournament 10 days ago. Since only my 2nd tournament in 2021 (having shut down due to Covid in March 2020) I was hesitant to attack but should have just gone ahead and attacked more. Today was a good time to look at this video (again).
Yeah, you have to take these players on with topspin attacks. It's very frustrating if you get sucked into pushing rallies. Most of the time, when you start playing topspin attacks, these pushers don't have a lot left and you can win easily.
Hi Tom, very very very thanks!!! This video is 100% for me, because i'm constantly frustrated with these type of players... :) Time 0:48 - this is me!!! :)
thank you very much for the suggestions because I get usually frustrated while I miss topspin shots, personally I like and enjoy playing the attacking style of the game.
@@TomLodziak, thanks for the reply. Undoubtedly, your youtube videos are very helpful to me to understand and to learn the game. Good job, keep on uploading...
@@TomLodziak much appreciated. Not sure if penhold blockers are handled differently from shakehand blockers, but if you could specifically address playing penholders, that would be great!
@@taumax it doesn't matter actually penholder of shakehand blocker. They all need your power- the more you hit the ball the easier to play for them. Remember this. your serves should be more floatty and weak - long and short. for the penholders I lost the first game, then I realized they don't like short serves to the right side for the right handed pendholders and then you turn back the ball long to the left side. and he cannot play this ball properly, because they need to move much more than shakeholders and make much more mistakes. So the main tactics is to play short and long + to send the ball to opposit directions. As for the blockers, my experience shows they like spinny balls because spinny ball is easier to control. I'm trying to hit the ball, when you hit it it's much more harder to play consistently for the blocker.
Thanks Tom, very helpful! I'll apply these techniques when I play one of my usual partners who play "normal when we train and start pushing when there is a game 🙃
It will be better to get some one to just push the balls at you at different angles and different speeds and you try to get your confidence back on your top spin shot. What I find is that there is a skill to this shot which is difficult to master but can be done. The bat angle must be open based on the height at which the ball is being contacted and at the point of contact the blade must be moving fast up reversing the back spin ( it cannot be tentative which is the main mistake that players do) and the arc of the blade swing should be slightly forward perhaps between 70 to 80 degrees not flat forward. The extra top spin will arc the ball down, the forward motion with an open bat will impart speed and restrict the tendency of the ball to go down. The trick is to get the ball to dip after having cancelling its downward trajectory.
Must admit I've got the hang of the Topspin and have definitely upped my game,But played a guy the other day (pusher) and he brought me down to his level for the first couple of games due to me getting frustrated with this type of game.....................wont happen again.
The worst opponent is a modern Defender who can push, chop, block, topspin AND twiddle and do the same with the backhand aswell. Good luck at beating those.
Thats literally why I had started learning top spin. Just to escape this endless push loops. Now top spin is my main play style against everything :D edit: that kid has such clean and consistent technique it would be so fun to play with him.
I try to deal with pushers by sending them "the soup" back with a precise, thin touch, if I am not sure about attacking with topspin, but once I feel confident, I try to backhand flick the ball or I go deep with my posture and countertopsin it with a nearly vertical movement. Serving with mainly sidespin worked for me in the most cases as well, because if I put a good amount of sidespin on the ball, it is difficult to either countertopspin it or pushing it back - and I can also vary the amount of co-inflicted backspin or topspin component as well.
I have other problem, i cant stop looping pushes until i success, it cost me a lot of points, but i just want to learn. Dont care much about the game until i learn the proper way to play.
Nice and helpful videos on your channel. Especially love the serves and how to handle them. I'd love to get a basic practical idea of how to effectively adjust your play against different types of rackets (anti-spin/long pips). Are you planning to cover this as well someday? :)
Gracias Tom!!, excelente, me sirvió muchísimo, lo puse en práctica hoy y pude ganarle a un jugador de ese tipo. Ahora, necesito tu ayuda, no he podido comprender como jugar contra jugadores que juegan con gomas con picos hacia afuera (pimples out) me complican el juego, parece que invierten el efecto (spin). Espero puedas ayudarme, saludos, eres genial!
Ese es el tipo de contrincante que mejor se me da, así que espero poder ayudarte. Contra el pico largo, lo básico es empujar una y atacar la siguiente ya que así juegas siempre a favor de efecto. Y así hasta el infinito hasta que puedas terminar el punto con un buen ataque. Se pueden empujar dos seguidas contra pico largo, pero en el segundo empuje hay que tener mucho cuidado, ya que es muy fácil dejar una pelota alta. Yo los segundos y siguientes empujes los hago despacio y con la pala poco abierta, lo que evita que se eleve, pero no es sencillo y si haces más de dos empujes seguidos es muy fácil fallar. El gesto es parecido al de un empuje corto (no al de empuje largo), aunque no siempre la deje corta. Y en el otro extremo, puedes atacar muchas pelotas seguidas contra el pico largo, pero eso requiere que sepas levantar muy bien las pelotas cortadas. Yo éste es el juego que hago normalmente. De vez en cuando meto un empuje corto para obligar a venir a la mesa al contrario, sacarlo de posición y poder atacar la siguiente bola con mucha velocidad. Este empuje suelo esconderlo hasta el último momento, colocándome para atacar y cambiando el golpe al final. De vez en cuando le puedes atacar a su goma lisa, lo que te da más posibilidades, como poder hacer varios ataques más enérgicos seguidos e incluso hacer dejadas cuando deja la pelota cerca de la red. También es bueno jugarle abierto, para moverlo de lado a lado. Sobre su goma lisa yo suelo meterle también efecto lateral hacia fuera, lo que lo saca más de su posición. Meterle efecto lateral sobre el pico no suele ser buena idea, ya que después ese efecto te suele venir de vuelta.
Oooo mate, I destroy everyone in school except my own one particular sports teacher who always makes me push the ball when he is pushing it, but his push shots are more like a little bit without the backspin that you mentioned here, they are so flat and short, forcing me to reach the ball and then attacks himself because I usually stand almost half a metre behind the table at times when I am attacking. I guess I just need to find my rhythm in my shots thats all, cause I still find myself hanging on to him during matches, btw I will play with him on Tuesday i'll try this example and I'll tell you how I've done. :)
The pusher-blocker player can be very effective at amateur level. It's somehow satisfying to make the other player do all the physical work and still beat him!
So right and nevertheless I end up from time to time and keep on pushing myself. Thank you. I think I will add "Pushers don't get up to the next level!" to my little slip of paper I have in the pocket of my shorts. (Before the match and between the sets I read these notes. First bullet point: have fun!) Yesterday I lost against a player I normally should beat. He was a sub-type of a pusher: a penholder. Maybe you could make a video how to play against penholder. For me, it's always very difficult when there's an unorthodox player like a penholder. Sometimes the match is over before I figured out how I should adjust my game.
Great pushers wants to control the play to observe flaws from an opponent and exploit it. So if your top spin isn't perfect you are done, simple as that. If you can't attack with your backspin, you are in big trouble especially if he as a great tool of serve to beat your footwork and prevent you from attacking the ball.
You are spot on in your reading ! You will need a lot of energy and confidence in attack to beat a good pusher. I personally find that pushers techniques depress me while playing. So I have tried becoming "ruthless" in my attack... and it works !!
I miiiiight be part of the problem, but I often like to out push them by drastically increasing the amount of backspin, or start to incorporate heavy back sidespin. If I do want to put an end to it, instead of looping I like to go for a side or backspin smash.
Amateur pushers in the area of Bucharest (Romania) where I live are dangerous. The problem is that they can smash a higher ball. I tried to get out of the pushing game with topspins and I got back super blocks or smashes. I guess they aren't really pushers. But 80 percent of the time they push the ball with great skill. And they always have brand new rubbers that help with the spin.
These can be tricky pushers. When you attack, try to get a very good placement on the ball, aiming deep or wide. Also try varying the speed and spin. This will make it much harder for them to block your attacks.
What's wrong with someone being a "pusher"? It seems like a legitimate style of play. Not everyone has the natural ability to be an "attacking" player.
Some people call it a punch serve. That variation was with a little backspin. You can also do it with kicking topspin. See the first serve in this video: ruclips.net/video/EuXKHxRcRbQ/видео.html
well, tried all these. But none of these tends to work on my coach. He just casually kept chopping and pushing. He's the only pusher who I can't beat yet.
Oh man I hate pushers. It is just so annoying to play against them. How about a video on how to counter long pips. Once you know what they actually do you start winning against defenders.
@Grumbel Bumbel Ich weiß darüber bescheid es gibt auf einem anderen Kanal ein gutes Video darüber aber ich wollte hier keine Werbung für einen anderen Kanal machen.
@@dommefischer373 Ja das macht den Unterschied aus. Die noppen brechen grundsätzlich immer aber man muss aufpassen wie stark. Ein guter Noppenspieler wird den Spin in seinen Bällen immer varieren. Die Noppe kehrt den Schnitt um, aber wie stark der Umgekehrte Schitt ist hängt vom Winkel seines Schlägers und der Schlagintesität ab. Wenn du darauf achtest kannst du den Schnitt erkennen.
Yeah once I got beaten by a female pusher ... but I missed 1 topspin out of 2 and lost 1-3 (I should've been 2-0 up). I was REALLY mad and felt cheated. I should've done a lot of top serves but was so mad I couldn't think straight anymore.
Watched this video expecting to be able to beat the pusher I lose to everyday :'(. The problem is his shots aren't that high so a lot of my topspins don't get enough speed and he can comfortably return them all, or I hurriedly smash (getting impatient) and hit the net. Even more annoying is he never even needs to even move away from the table so he doesn't sweat while I start overheating....
The problem for me is if the pusher CAN actually return my big heavy top spin. The second attacking ball often ends up in the net or over the table. Have you hot any tips for that? I just hate it when attacking topspin balls come back with zero velocity and I have to bring all the speed back in
This would be a good topic for a video. I will add to my list. The way I teach my players is that you loop 'up' and then drive 'forwards'. After you have finished your loop, try to keep your bat a little higher, then if then if your loop is returned, you will be able to drive or topspin over the top of the ball.
Yes, that could work. It will make it harder for the pusher to keep pushing. If he does keep pushing the long pips will make the ball pop up giving an easier attacking opportunity.
@@TomLodziak right gotcha. guess thats another way to use long pips for setting up offensive rallies. thank you for your insight! will try to use it next time i play a heavy pusher.
long pimples players, of course, they love to push with their backhand. It's boring so I sold my paddle (with pimps) and got a new one with inverted. Should practice the top spin.
And if you topspin into the net make sure to first look reproachfully at your racket because it's certainly its fault
Best comment of the day. This is so true!
Bit harsh mate it was my bat's fault.
@@Lightzy1 I know mate only messing.
I regularly say to people when they miss a shot:
"You've got a big piece of shit on your bat..!"
When they look at blade... I say:
"No... on the handle !"...
Lol.😂
So true. We all do that.
Everybody is saying: now I know how to beat a pusher but the reality probably is you can't topspin that well, otherwise you would have come to that conclusion already.
A pusher meant nothing to me. I was a two-wing looper and practiced regularly against a plywood backstop propped up behind the table, in the basement. Unless he was also a very _very_ good blocker he'd be picking up off-the-bounce bullet-looped balls in the backcourt for almost every point.
If you can not do a topspin properly, than you need to train it (good rubber also can make your top spin easier) unless you are a defender type of player...
A huge component of learning topspin is the rubber. There's a world of difference between premade starter paddles and custom ones, even one as cheap as $90
true, who doesn't want to top spin the hell out of everything like Ma Long.
😂😂👍
I'm a pusher cause I got no skill. Hopefully my opponents won't watch this video !
This really made me smile.
🤣🤣🤣
when two pushers play against each other ZZzzz
This is what Most Woman Games Look Like 😅
And they feel like they are playing like Olympic players. It feels so satisfying to smash topspin on their face
Then it's not table tennis my friend. You call it ping-pong!
RUclips Commenter in china the sport is basically called ping-pong, just with a different pronounciation and the chinese word for „ball“ in the end of it
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I can’t wait for the day when my topspin loops are on point. I’m surrounded by pushers and the worst part is they’re cocky as if they’re good. 😩
Just keep working on those topspins. You'll get them eventually!
I used to play with lot of them, and they would win because of my mistake. Eventually my topspin got better and I enjoyed a lot attacking those balls
Does anyone here just love watching the beautiful arcing of the ball in topsin rallies?
Arching of sidespin looks cooler
Boiinty yes. That’s what’s so addictive about it.
This is exactly what I needed to see and the timing was perfect. Just joined a table tennis club in a senior citizen community after being away from any serious play for almost 40 years. 80% of the intermediate players are pushers who have great consistency, but are very frustrating as I am still recovering my skills. Definitely need to work on my topspin shots. Going to get some practice with the robot today!
I like the way you put the advice into practical with demonstrations. Thank you!
I Giorno Giovanna have no idea why I’m watching this video
Giorno Giovanna lmao
Lol
It's because you have a dream
_To become a table tennis player_
Great tips as always Tom! I really needed this lesson after yesterday’s push battles. You are absolutely correct and I have to not give up after a couple of unsuccessful topspin shots. I’m so trying this today!
Great. Just keep persevering. With enough practice, these tactics will start working for you.
Wow so useful, amazing advice. A coach of 15 years was telling me to just keeping push back, terrible advice, especially since I am very attacking and my forehand game is strong and defence game is weaker.
Another advice from my coach for my fellow topspinners who struggle against pushers: try to make a 'soft' push, taking out much of the backspin of the ball, and after his push its easier to topspin it and start the offensive play. Great video as always, I hope I'll be able to apply this strategy against my next pusher opponent!
Yes, that's another tactic which can work, as long as the pusher doesn't decide to attack first.
WOW, even though this video is 5 years old, I just learned so much!! Thanks!!!
Many thanks coach! I just have a match with a pusher next week. Enough time to get ready
Good luck! Focus on spinning the ball. It doesn't have to be super fast or super aggressive, just decent spin which changes the rallies to topspin.
Great tips against the pusher. NB: I myself a pusher and I am gonna change my strategy against pushers :)
I destroyed an apponent the other day doing exactly this. 11/1 all three games. Can't wait to get totally confident with this approach.
wow revolutionary. to beat pushers simply hit em with a sick topspin smash into the back corner. who woulda thought
Almost lost to a pusher recently in a tournament at work. Frustrating since I feel I'm way better than that. Thanks for the tips!
Pushers and blockers are easy to beat. All my friends do one or both of these styles and none of them can beat me. I'm undefeated when playing at my friends house on Wednesday nights when we all play. I play with topspin and can dictate every point unless I make a mistake. They appear to be decent players if I push and block with them and we can have some amazing rallies, but as soon as I attack, they fall apart quickly.
You are also right about topspin serves against them. I use a topspin serve 90% of the time because it gets me so many free points.
I know. It’s so damn easy
@@madsweber9127 Yes, It's actually starting to hold me back. I just recently got back into TT because my friend got a table and started having a TT night on Wednesday's. At first it was fun playing them because I wasn't too much better than they are. But I've progressed very fast since I played a lot 25 years ago as a teenager when I also played tennis (which was my favorite sport and I had a lot of natural ability in). Now I'm so much better than them it's starting to get boring because I only need to play at 50% or less to beat them -- almost all their points on me are my own unforced errors -- they have almost no ability to play offense because they get nervous and just go for safe shots. If I play aggressively at all I immediately win the point and never get any good rallies. Therefore, I just feed them slow topspin shots so I can at least have some practice on my technique. I keep trying to show them tips and tricks to progress their games but everyone just wants to push and block even though they see me dominating them all by using topspin and placement. I'm going to have to find a league to play in if I want to get better.
I generally don’t comment on much. But your videos are a gem for a amateur like me who WAS struggling against a couple of pushers. You’re right, the pushers have hit a ceiling. After a lot of losses, I was able to convert the game from a backspin to top spin, and they still push or chop leaving me with a very juicy ball that I smash with all the joy in the world. However, it’s exhausting playing against pushers but it’s worthwhile after a win.
Well done, great progress. The more you adopt this topspin style of play, the less tiring it will become and you will beat pushers easier than before.
Thank You once again for your pep talk !! I have two pushers in my club group. One of them I have been able to "manage" consistenty with your advise. The other is proving more difficult. But I'll definitely get there.... I just need consistent confidence in my own game. cheers !
Lol! My league is full of these sorts!
Every rubbish league is I reckon...
Its up to you to attack first, right?
@@winson5159 ...aha... not so simple...
especially you are a rubbish pusher also..!? Lol.😂.
@@shanelawson5072 hahaha, I am not, sorry. I am penholder, I can forehand flick and reverse penhold banana flip.
@@winson5159 lol...👍
I'm a penholder too....
...but not asian!
Nice explanation...simple and logic
I find it out by myself but thank's for accurate explanation
I have just discovered your channel Tom and am really enjoying the videos. I agree with your comment about pushers as I became one after a coach advised me I would win more games. During 20 years of playing the local league, my results were very good but I didn’t enjoy myself and I don’t feel I won any games, it was just that the other player lost! After a 15 year break, I have now joined a small group of fun players where winning doesn’t matter and thanks to your tips am beginning to bring topspin back into my game. Keep up the good work.
Very nice for players who start thinking seriously about the game and wanting move above amateur level. Thanks for motivating towards the end. Can you make videos on how to tackle flat hitter who hit flat on your pushes and when you are yet to develop consistent topspin game? Tips or strategies for intermediate players against consistent blockers or passive attackers like Vladimir Samsonov? btw I meant no disrespect for samsonov.
Hi - yes I plan to make more tactic videos in the future. In the meantime here's an article I wrote on how to beat a flat hitter: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-big-flat-hitter/ and here is an article on how to beat blocker: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-blocker/
Thank you so much just lost to a stupid slow pusher and had an early exit from the tournament but your video has guides and positively motivated me. Will play in this style and revert, I am feeling awesome right now!
The theory on how to beat a pusher is quite straight forward, but you still need to put in lots of practice with your loops before you start consistently winning. So go practice LOADS and good luck!
Very good advice. This discovery for me was many years ago but it was the single biggest improvement to my competitive ability. My favorite way to convert the game into a topspin attack is the backhand flick... A very effective shot once perfected.
Thank you, very interresting, I will practice the flicks more and do more top spin serve against them.
Very nice video. Don't become a Pusher yourself. The Top Players are always Attacking Players . They don't care about missing few of those Smashes. They stick to Attacking most of the time.
Ran into this at tournament 10 days ago. Since only my 2nd tournament in 2021 (having shut down due to Covid in March 2020) I was hesitant to attack but should have just gone ahead and attacked more. Today was a good time to look at this video (again).
Yeah, you have to take these players on with topspin attacks. It's very frustrating if you get sucked into pushing rallies. Most of the time, when you start playing topspin attacks, these pushers don't have a lot left and you can win easily.
Hi Tom, very very very thanks!!! This video is 100% for me, because i'm constantly frustrated with these type of players... :) Time 0:48 - this is me!!! :)
Me too. Plus shouting afterwards.
Started playing league last week. Sooooo many pushers....this should be helpful thanks!
The 125 dislikes are pushers...
thank you very much for the suggestions because I get usually frustrated while I miss topspin shots, personally I like and enjoy playing the attacking style of the game.
Just keep practising those topspin shots until they become very, very consistent. Then you will beat these players.
@@TomLodziak, thanks for the reply. Undoubtedly, your youtube videos are very helpful to me to understand and to learn the game. Good job, keep on uploading...
Wish I had watched this before my last match!
The next level to overcome is the "blocker". I find penholders are commonly pusher and blocker types... So fustrating!
Ok. I'll add this to my list... a video on how to beat a blocker.
@@TomLodziak much appreciated. Not sure if penhold blockers are handled differently from shakehand blockers, but if you could specifically address playing penholders, that would be great!
😂😂😂
@@taumax it doesn't matter actually penholder of shakehand blocker. They all need your power- the more you hit the ball the easier to play for them. Remember this. your serves should be more floatty and weak - long and short. for the penholders I lost the first game, then I realized they don't like short serves to the right side for the right handed pendholders and then you turn back the ball long to the left side. and he cannot play this ball properly, because they need to move much more than shakeholders and make much more mistakes. So the main tactics is to play short and long + to send the ball to opposit directions. As for the blockers, my experience shows they like spinny balls because spinny ball is easier to control. I'm trying to hit the ball, when you hit it it's much more harder to play consistently for the blocker.
sorry for mistake: actually penholder OR shakehand blocker.
Thanks Tom, very helpful! I'll apply these techniques when I play one of my usual partners who play "normal when we train and start pushing when there is a game 🙃
Ha! Yes, I know players like this. Lots of drives and topspins in training and then mainly pushing in matches.
It will be better to get some one to just push the balls at you at different angles and different speeds and you try to get your confidence back on your top spin shot. What I find is that there is a skill to this shot which is difficult to master but can be done. The bat angle must be open based on the height at which the ball is being contacted and at the point of contact the blade must be moving fast up reversing the back spin ( it cannot be tentative which is the main mistake that players do) and the arc of the blade swing should be slightly forward perhaps between 70 to 80 degrees not flat forward. The extra top spin will arc the ball down, the forward motion with an open bat will impart speed and restrict the tendency of the ball to go down. The trick is to get the ball to dip after having cancelling its downward trajectory.
Thanks Tom, good one
I like your videos. This one is amazing 👍. It’s really annoying to play against pushers 😅. Now I found the way to stop boring 😁
Brilliant teacher...
Fully informative and practical! Thank u
pushing is fun to see opponent getting frustrated
Must admit I've got the hang of the Topspin and have definitely upped my game,But played a guy the other day (pusher) and he brought me down to his level for the first couple of games due to me getting frustrated with this type of game.....................wont happen again.
These pushers can be tricky to play. Use your flicks and loops and you can easily turn it into a topspin game.
Very good explanation.
This video helped me a lot
Thanks
The worst opponent is a modern Defender who can push, chop, block, topspin AND twiddle and do the same with the backhand aswell.
Good luck at beating those.
Ooooh, these are evil!
Informative 👍🏼
It's amazing how you explain this stuff. thanks.
Thats literally why I had started learning top spin. Just to escape this endless push loops. Now top spin is my main play style against everything :D
edit: that kid has such clean and consistent technique it would be so fun to play with him.
Thank you as always.
i remember I lost everytime against a half-pusher (sometimes attack).
well, time to 1v1 him with my 2 months skill
thank you
I try to deal with pushers by sending them "the soup" back with a precise, thin touch, if I am not sure about attacking with topspin, but once I feel confident, I try to backhand flick the ball or I go deep with my posture and countertopsin it with a nearly vertical movement. Serving with mainly sidespin worked for me in the most cases as well, because if I put a good amount of sidespin on the ball, it is difficult to either countertopspin it or pushing it back - and I can also vary the amount of co-inflicted backspin or topspin component as well.
Don't fear the push, LOOP EVERYTHING
This was very helpful. Thanks!!
I have other problem, i cant stop looping pushes until i success, it cost me a lot of points, but i just want to learn. Dont care much about the game until i learn the proper way to play.
Very useful, thank you man
Don't blame the pusher. The only reason they're pushing is because they can't open an attack either!
Nice and helpful videos on your channel. Especially love the serves and how to handle them. I'd love to get a basic practical idea of how to effectively adjust your play against different types of rackets (anti-spin/long pips). Are you planning to cover this as well someday? :)
I'll be publishing a video on playing against long pimples next month.
Nice
This video is sensational! I'm now at 0:35 but I already laugh big. :D
Gracias Tom!!, excelente, me sirvió muchísimo, lo puse en práctica hoy y pude ganarle a un jugador de ese tipo.
Ahora, necesito tu ayuda, no he podido comprender como jugar contra jugadores que juegan con gomas con picos hacia afuera (pimples out) me complican el juego, parece que invierten el efecto (spin).
Espero puedas ayudarme, saludos, eres genial!
Ese es el tipo de contrincante que mejor se me da, así que espero poder ayudarte.
Contra el pico largo, lo básico es empujar una y atacar la siguiente ya que así juegas siempre a favor de efecto. Y así hasta el infinito hasta que puedas terminar el punto con un buen ataque.
Se pueden empujar dos seguidas contra pico largo, pero en el segundo empuje hay que tener mucho cuidado, ya que es muy fácil dejar una pelota alta. Yo los segundos y siguientes empujes los hago despacio y con la pala poco abierta, lo que evita que se eleve, pero no es sencillo y si haces más de dos empujes seguidos es muy fácil fallar. El gesto es parecido al de un empuje corto (no al de empuje largo), aunque no siempre la deje corta.
Y en el otro extremo, puedes atacar muchas pelotas seguidas contra el pico largo, pero eso requiere que sepas levantar muy bien las pelotas cortadas. Yo éste es el juego que hago normalmente. De vez en cuando meto un empuje corto para obligar a venir a la mesa al contrario, sacarlo de posición y poder atacar la siguiente bola con mucha velocidad. Este empuje suelo esconderlo hasta el último momento, colocándome para atacar y cambiando el golpe al final.
De vez en cuando le puedes atacar a su goma lisa, lo que te da más posibilidades, como poder hacer varios ataques más enérgicos seguidos e incluso hacer dejadas cuando deja la pelota cerca de la red.
También es bueno jugarle abierto, para moverlo de lado a lado. Sobre su goma lisa yo suelo meterle también efecto lateral hacia fuera, lo que lo saca más de su posición. Meterle efecto lateral sobre el pico no suele ser buena idea, ya que después ese efecto te suele venir de vuelta.
So true!
Incredibly boring playing against this style!!
Oooo mate, I destroy everyone in school except my own one particular sports teacher who always makes me push the ball when he is pushing it, but his push shots are more like a little bit without the backspin that you mentioned here, they are so flat and short, forcing me to reach the ball and then attacks himself because I usually stand almost half a metre behind the table at times when I am attacking. I guess I just need to find my rhythm in my shots thats all, cause I still find myself hanging on to him during matches, btw I will play with him on Tuesday i'll try this example and I'll tell you how I've done. :)
i push until i have to block. works wonders against much better players than me :)
The pusher-blocker player can be very effective at amateur level. It's somehow satisfying to make the other player do all the physical work and still beat him!
nice tips
met a few difficult pushers lately , I used to be one though just like many in here lol
why do i watch this i cant even spin well
Great. Now pushers know how to attack after annoying the hell out of you
So right and nevertheless I end up from time to time and keep on pushing myself. Thank you.
I think I will add "Pushers don't get up to the next level!" to my little slip of paper I have in the pocket of my shorts. (Before the match and between the sets I read these notes. First bullet point: have fun!)
Yesterday I lost against a player I normally should beat. He was a sub-type of a pusher: a penholder. Maybe you could make a video how to play against penholder. For me, it's always very difficult when there's an unorthodox player like a penholder. Sometimes the match is over before I figured out how I should adjust my game.
Great pushers wants to control the play to observe flaws from an opponent and exploit it. So if your top spin isn't perfect you are done, simple as that. If you can't attack with your backspin, you are in big trouble especially if he as a great tool of serve to beat your footwork and prevent you from attacking the ball.
You are spot on in your reading ! You will need a lot of energy and confidence in attack to beat a good pusher. I personally find that pushers techniques depress me while playing. So I have tried becoming "ruthless" in my attack... and it works !!
Hey that's me!
hey its a good strategy
Thans instructive video :) My question is : how to win a blocker in table tennis ?
I'll make a video on this at some point. In the meantime, here's an article I wrote: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-blocker/
Pushing is actually really effective. When you're good at it, you will be able to transform it into a defense game when the opponent hits topsin balls
Pushing on topspin?
@@sakshamdigari7194 Block or heavy backspin
I used to play against a (male) friend mine who likes to push with backspin. No matter how hard I try, my topspin never gets past the net.
Because you need to wait for a longer push and then do a forehand loop, not a forehand drive.
Pls make a video on how to play with Anti rubbers
I miiiiight be part of the problem, but I often like to out push them by drastically increasing the amount of backspin, or start to incorporate heavy back sidespin. If I do want to put an end to it, instead of looping I like to go for a side or backspin smash.
Agree. But you have to mix it up.
Amateur pushers in the area of Bucharest (Romania) where I live are dangerous. The problem is that they can smash a higher ball. I tried to get out of the pushing game with topspins and I got back super blocks or smashes. I guess they aren't really pushers. But 80 percent of the time they push the ball with great skill. And they always have brand new rubbers that help with the spin.
These can be tricky pushers. When you attack, try to get a very good placement on the ball, aiming deep or wide. Also try varying the speed and spin. This will make it much harder for them to block your attacks.
@@TomLodziak I will try that, Tom! Thanks!
What's wrong with someone being a "pusher"? It seems like a legitimate style of play. Not everyone has the natural ability to be an "attacking" player.
"Ask any racer, and real racer, it doesn't matter how much you win by, winning is winning." :'D
5:54 what is that serve called
Some people call it a punch serve. That variation was with a little backspin. You can also do it with kicking topspin. See the first serve in this video: ruclips.net/video/EuXKHxRcRbQ/видео.html
Can you please recommend a decent price robot that can help practice smashes against quality spin?
well, tried all these. But none of these tends to work on my coach. He just casually kept chopping and pushing. He's the only pusher who I can't beat yet.
Pushers! Pushers! Everywhere
bro plz make a video ft a pimple player... i am a pimple player so i wanna learn about it :)
Your Partner is quite good. 😉
I like it,your vidio
Now we see next level of pusher: a chopper 😂
Oh man I hate pushers. It is just so annoying to play against them.
How about a video on how to counter long pips. Once you know what they actually do you start winning against defenders.
I'm actually doing some filming tomorrow with my long pimples bat. I'll be publishing this in Feb or Mar 2019.
@@TomLodziak you mean you'll be pushing it out feb or mar 2019
@Grumbel Bumbel Ich weiß darüber bescheid es gibt auf einem anderen Kanal ein gutes Video darüber aber ich wollte hier keine Werbung für einen anderen Kanal machen.
@@dommefischer373 Ja das macht den Unterschied aus. Die noppen brechen grundsätzlich immer aber man muss aufpassen wie stark. Ein guter Noppenspieler wird den Spin in seinen Bällen immer varieren. Die Noppe kehrt den Schnitt um, aber wie stark der Umgekehrte Schitt ist hängt vom Winkel seines Schlägers und der Schlagintesität ab. Wenn du darauf achtest kannst du den Schnitt erkennen.
Yeah once I got beaten by a female pusher ... but I missed 1 topspin out of 2 and lost 1-3 (I should've been 2-0 up). I was REALLY mad and felt cheated. I should've done a lot of top serves but was so mad I couldn't think straight anymore.
Watched this video expecting to be able to beat the pusher I lose to everyday :'(. The problem is his shots aren't that high so a lot of my topspins don't get enough speed and he can comfortably return them all, or I hurriedly smash (getting impatient) and hit the net. Even more annoying is he never even needs to even move away from the table so he doesn't sweat while I start overheating....
The problem for me is if the pusher CAN actually return my big heavy top spin. The second attacking ball often ends up in the net or over the table. Have you hot any tips for that? I just hate it when attacking topspin balls come back with zero velocity and I have to bring all the speed back in
This would be a good topic for a video. I will add to my list. The way I teach my players is that you loop 'up' and then drive 'forwards'. After you have finished your loop, try to keep your bat a little higher, then if then if your loop is returned, you will be able to drive or topspin over the top of the ball.
@@TomLodziak thanks for the reply! A video on this one would be great! I will try this tip out ASAP 😁
I lost from a fucking pusher that was balocking my topspins very wel and the once chance which i can beat him is to be agressive
Finally! How to beat my mother-in-law.
Ha! Nothing worse than losing to your mother-in-law. Hope you win!
Best trick: Copy him and push too.
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would pushing with pips out rubber help getting those topspin rallies, considering they supposedly invert spin?
Yes, that could work. It will make it harder for the pusher to keep pushing. If he does keep pushing the long pips will make the ball pop up giving an easier attacking opportunity.
@@TomLodziak right gotcha. guess thats another way to use long pips for setting up offensive rallies. thank you for your insight! will try to use it next time i play a heavy pusher.
long pimples players, of course, they love to push with their backhand. It's boring so I sold my paddle (with pimps) and got a new one with inverted. Should practice the top spin.