They get around calling it a quota by tieing it into promotions because a quota system is illegal. The wardens have to write that level of tickets if they want to be considered for promotion. Is just another corrupt way for the cops to skirt the law.
@@LuckyBaldwin777that’s why we have such a massive prison system. 30% of Alabama black male population cannot vote. Courtesy of their quota system. They arrested a lot of teens.
if they want to be cops, transfer them to the UHP. Get em out of the game-warden business. Tell the DWR that they get a budget for wardens, not highway officers. I would also not pay any game warden for appearance in court on a non-DWR ticket. That is moonlighting and is done on their own time.
I’ve been pulled over and accused of going way over the speed limit. Tial i told the officer my work truck was gps tracked and I could easily prove he was lying. That ticket was suddenly turned into a verbal warning
Like what was said above.... Let them lie and then under oath expose them... They don't give you the evidence they have on you before court so why should you give them the courtesy?
@@robertusa1234 This is true, but document, document, document. Truth and data beat feelings every time. You just have to play the long game. Eventually these liars will be exposed. If you are patient and gather enough evidence, the law can't ignore.
Most newer cars have a black box that comes right from the factory like an airplane and can tell how much you were speeding or not or what your speed was.
@@FynnOliverEmonSillyou may be talking about drive trip recorder on the ecm itself. But it's up to you to get that data pulled at a shop and prove it.
Yeah, a performance goal that must be met to avoid a poor performance rating, which makes it a quota. Until public officials face repercussions for violating laws, they’ll repeatedly break the law. This chief needs to be fired.
And where is the chief executive officer of the State - the Governor? His order would stop this nonsense immediately. Remind him/her that election is coming.
The Chief of the Utah DWR admitted on camera in this interview that he's breaking the Utah law. He's a criminal. Have hearings, charge him with this law breaking.
So if a game warden goes through the same training as any other cop in the state, and sees someone committing a crime on the road while en route to/from work, or in between jurisdictions, he just has to turn a blind eye??
The wardens might pretend to object but they don't really; they got guns and badges for power and they love any time they use their gun and/or badge. They don't have to follow these quotas and they can fight any repercussion in their unions AND, yes, you lose your job rather than exercise unconstitutional power. Otherwise, "just following orders" is not an excuse.
@@dalepres1 AND, game wardens are some of the slimiest leo's out there. They perform little in the way of public service and exist just to write tickets.
That's a drop in the bucket, the way people drive every law enforcement officer in the state of Utah could write tickets all day until their fingers bled.
@@Buckshot9796You think cops don't speed on their time off and even while on duty during non emergency driving. Raising revenue has taken desperate measures. Anyone who sees a Utah wildlife and fisheries officer driving past their vehicle while driving at maximum speed limit should make a citizen's arrest.
That’s not true, patrolling for speeding is not their job. If poaching from the road is a problem or some other such game related task then it’s absolutely within scope to patrol the road.
@@jaydunbar7538 My point is they are not payed to be writing speeding tickets or they would be equipped with radar.Shooting from the road yes but that is not what the clip was about was it? Apparently you are for government overreach, don't tell me ,you are a game warden making excuses?
@user-cn7np8fj7c They are equipped with Radar! And a State Badge, handcuffs, AR's and their own holding cells. Seems like a duly appointed law enforcement agent to me.
Anyone remember the DUI officer who gave out the record DUIs? They got busted for fraud and eventually suspended. Turns out most If not all of her DUIs weren’t actually a DUI. A performance goal is a quota.
@@supme7558 Tada! Now you’re thinking, after multiple lawsuits the officer was then suspended but not until then. It’s also amazing that the police departments states there’s no quota but then states it’s part of performance reviews which means there’s quantifiable measure of tickets being written, in other words a “quota”
Truck driving is a choice. If truck drivers can’t follow the law in a semi, they should work in another field. Truck drivers have the reputation they do for a reason lol
This is OUTRAGEOUS and UNACCEPTABLE! Game wardens don't need to be harassing driver's! They should be monitoring wildlife like their job description says! 🤔 🙄 😒 😤
@Highspdlowdrag These days, poachers dont have to worry about them, Game Wardens are usually busy spending their time on nonsense, instead of catching poachers.
@@Highspdlowdrag they rarely touch poachers in person... Only through tips and trail cams. They aren't sitting in the woods waiting for someone to shoot a turkey or deer out of season like TV shows display.
The net amount of money from fines is peanuts in an almost $30 billion dollar budget - this isn't about generating revenue, DNR doesn't get to "keep" this money it goes back to the General Fund. The real scheme is to generate a bunch of data (including slick tables, charts and graphics) for DNR bureaucrats to use to justify requests from the Legislature for more game officers, admin. staff, pickup trucks, helicopters, you name it. That is where the money is.
@@user-rk4sk3mo8y They are the modern equivalent of red coats, So no they have no authority. When the people get tired of the abuse they will do what the founders did.
In Louisiana if you see one of these guys, you had better SLOW down! The Louisiana Wildlife & Fisheries actually have more authority than any other law enforcement agency in the state of Louisiana. And they like to use it……
The entire state is their jurisdiction. They ARE state officers. The problem is the quota system. Now campus police at sprawling state colleges that have roads interconnecting various parts of the university. They are state officers, and can enforce traffic laws on roads adjoining their campuses. But dont patrol miles away from their jurisdictions. Game Wardens have to drive many miles from place to place. So the problem isnt their mandate, it is this quota system.
@@tomreid5002 jurisdiction is about more than just land that they're allowed to enforce the laws on. It also goes towards which laws they are allowed to enforce. For example, code enforcement officers can enforce building code but have no authority over traffic law or criminal law.
In my state, they are state officers and have every right to do the same as troopers, however they are not encouraged to target things outside of their specialty unless necessary.
Well, modern electronic speedometers are pretty accurate, besides, no speedo is going to be wildly inaccurate when a person is going100 in a 70. The real issue is does the game warden have the duty to patrol highways.
@@bobroberts2371to I've PERSONALLY seen a Calibrated speedometer in an On Duty police cruiser go WILD when the sensors were cold. Supposedly it worked after warming up. Right to COURT and PROVE it's still accurate. They should have a test logbook for it.
@@ZombieKiller1965no, they go to an independent installer that is state/ federal certified to calibrate the meter. I was in the police,ems,firetruck, building industry.
Not only that there are a ton of court rulings on renaming quota's something else, however these are all different states that baned quotas and had to fight police departments.
@@rk-us3zl They take an oath to enforce the law. Sounds to me like that oath was violated if the guy was going over 100 he should enforce it the cop has no power to reduce the charges on the side of the road at his discretion.
@@bob-o5206 the oath is to support the Constitution. Officer discretion is an absolutely important tool. for both officers and the public. Have you ever sped. Have you ever gotten a warning from a cop? Should you get a ticket for going one mile over? The entire premise of community policing is built on discretion.
@@BigBadJohnDiesel They don't have any equipment to check the speed and no way of proving anyone drove over the speed limit. We should just believe them on their word?
@larryd1344 game wardens have radar (used mainly for atv and snowmobile speed checks) and calibrated speedometer so they can absolutely check speeds. Also if someone is going 10+ over the limit calibration or not it would hold up as speeding in court people are just crying they got caught did you not hear they said most people straight up admitted they were speeding. Always some who won't admit they broke the law even when caught
Yes, they do. I got one from a regular cop. I was going 35 in a 35. Come over the hill and there's a school zone sign. No warning beforehand, flashing lights, or even a school right there. I had a trailer and people behind me, so I couldn't just slam on the brakes for no reason. Saw there was no one there but let off the gas to slow down anyways. Dirtbag in an unmarked car hiding around the corner gave me an illegal ticket and tried to get me to say I was on the phone or something so he could make it worse. As soon as I went on my way, he was pulling someone else over.
Yes! one of the channels i follow pulled a boat out of Lake Mead, that had sank 30 years ago, to fix it up find the owners, and give it back. DWR came to his house and just about put the RUclipsr in JAIL over DEAD CLAMS!!! (qugamuscles)... Well, he talked about it on this Ytube show, and the same guy came back Demanding he take down the video saying he was contacted at all by DWR, and if it didn't he could be arrested for Slander, and false accusations. DWR lost their trail against the RUclipsr, but the family still problems with that officer for a few weeks, like that officer would sit near where they live and follow them around, WAITING on them to do 1 wrong thing so he could arrest anyone in the family he could. @UTAHDWR are all D!CKS that are power hungry.. much like the ATF.
Why you think they are using the dnr for law enforcement? Do you all realize while the sheriff or city police need search warrants the direction do not need a warrant to enter your home or car.
@@mattmatt6572 FBI can not enter your house without a search warrant unless they are ACTIVELY chasing someone, and if they see something in your house, they can not arrest you for it. , unless they get a search warrant and come back. 4th amendment saves you from illegal searches and seizure. DNR/DWR can fugg off! ALL police and government agencies must have a search warrant or exigent circumstances to search your car/home.
A quota statue is illegal in every state,if officers are directed to be on a quota order the head of the agency and the officers involved need to be charged with the crime
I know someone who got a ticket for “inappropriate weapon“ because she was driving through an elk unit without her elk rifle but she had a 22. “Im obviously not elk hunting.” “Yes you are.” Quota.
Totally unacceptable as former law enforcement. Their job is protecting wildlife not traffic enforcement. This is a guy who wanted to be a state trooper and couldn’t cut it
They're a state police officer. There jurisdiction is the entire state and the entirety of state laws. And in many states it's much more competitive to become a game warden. The quota that management is imposing on them however...
@@rk-us3zl State Law enforcment or not , they are sworn in as wildlife officers, not traffic cops their section of laws they enforce have to do with wildlife management not speeding tickets.
I would also ask if the tires on the Wardens vehicle are original to the specs that came with the vehicle when it was brand new? Or have they been changed to a different size tire. A different set of tires other than the recommended ones can vary a speedometer 3-8 miles an hour faster.
The judge has heard that one before. The assumption is that modern speedometers are “ are reasonably accurate” A statement that it appeared to be functioning normally, is enough.
Game wardens/fish and wild life/ pine patrol don't belong on the hwy. I hunt and fish regularly and I've only dealt with game wardens once. And he didn't even check for a fishing license.
Sure they can. The taxpayers pockets are bottomless when it comes to paying lawsuits they create, while officers have Sovereign Citizen/Qualified Immunity, on top of the Blue Line Gang protection.
How did you not ask the follow up question? When the Chief said it's not a quota, it's a performance goal, the obvious question is "What's the difference?"!!!!
In Michigan, those in charge let city cops extend their boundaries well past city limits, and they'll patrol outside of the city, 15-20 miles away, where they're well out of jurisdiction. It's absolute over reach, just to make money.
Especially if the Wardens truck has non-factory tires on it, there is no way his speedometer reading will stand up in the courts unless there is record of it being calibrated with those tires on it.
Yep I have the same truck with similar tires on it and my speedometer is pretty far off at highway speed. And is way to expensive to have it calibrated so I never did it just go off gps when I need to
That yellow car has a computer in it that they can pull out the information from it and tell exactly how fast he was going and exactly what time of day…..
Disagree with this whole quota business, and I'm not privy to all the details on what you're mentioning, but to be fair. It is illegal to transport water out of lake Powell due to its mussel infestation. So depends on the logistics of what was happening, it might have been a valid ticket, however unfounded in it being given out. Not like these tickets which are completely made up and falsely given.
Why are LEO "supposed to protect"? Two reasons: 1. It's our justification of granting them power over us. 2. They promised "To Protect & Serve". This tyranny will continue until you & I REVOKE ALL AUTHORITY and punish the abuse. Stop respecting liars, thieves, thugs. It's OUR fault if we don't act to protect ourselves.
Ask for the certification certificate for the speedometer in the vehicle that pulled you over, in the state of Florida police have to have the speedometer certified every six months to verify the accuracy of the speedometer being used to pace clock. If Utah has no such requirement to have the speedometer certified, then ask for the charge to be dismissed because the officer can not verify the accuracy of the speedometer.
That's proof that there's no crime in the area that they're creating crimes. Also , that means that there are too many officers in that county on the job.
"It's not a quote... it's a 'performance goal.'" Thanks for bringing this story to light. What corruption. I hope this gets exactly the right attention.
I was in the process of retiring to Utah. I was going exactly 70.0 MPH one evening. This was confirmed by my GPS and the GPS in my dash cam. The game officer was not interested and insisted I was going over 80 MPH and gave me a ticket. I had to fly back to Utah to go to court and brought in my dash cam to get a not guilty verdict. My GPS records my speed and so does my dash cam. Even though I was not guilty the airline ticket, hotel room and expenses were $738.oo. Leaving court in a rented car I was given another speeding ticket even though I was definitely not speeding. I just paid the ticket and left, resulting in an increase in car insurance. Nope, I’m not retiring in Utah. In fact, I don’t intend to drive through Utah ever again. Highway robbery! Dishonest officers. A court system that makes it very expensive to prove you are not guilty.
I grew up in Utah, and left for garbage exactly like this in my late 30s. I have friends and family that insist that Utah is somehow superior to southern California and that I need to move back. I'm now in my mid50s, but I'm never gonna live there permanently, because Utah is still as bass-ackwards as it ever was.
@@camronchacon7259 this was before they had it. It was 17 years ago when I was going to retire in Utah. I never went back and I’ve never even driven through the state again. I’m not gonna give them another chance at me. Both officers lied.
I grew up in Utah, and left for garbage exactly like this in my late 30s. I have friends and family that insist that Utah is somehow superior to southern California and that I need to move back. I'm now in my mid50s, but I'm never gonna live there permanently, because Utah is still as bass-ackwards as it ever was.
I saw that. Fabrats is the RUclips channel. The DNR agent that brought those charges is a known tyrant. He charged him even after meeting with them and they proved that there wasn’t any quagga mussels
@@MrAlsbrooks No the 2 RUclips channels that got all the paperwork to recover a boat from an old lake bed and then got served papers saying he did something illegal
The phrase "money grab" makes me ask: do these wardens ever search "speeders" for cash in the vehicles and steal their cash at gun point? The ticket might just be a reason to get inside the vehicle and look for the real money that they get to confiscate. I've seen many cops on RUclips bragging that finding money is one of the parts of their work that they like the most.
In Pennsylvania the only way a speeding ticket will stand up in court if it’s contested is if the cop brings in proof that the tool used to measure the speed is calibrated and that the cop is trained in it’s use. Every one of those tickets that the game wardens are writing would be dismissed in Pennsylvania if the drivers of the cars fight them.
*Lydar radar devices self calibrate when turned on. They have to be sent in and tested once every 2 years. Yes, so called "visual pacing" should not be legal, but state legislators unfortunately make the laws of each state and are the ones who approved "visual pacing". Even if one beats the ticket they still lose time, money and a day off work.*
@@christiangreen1477 You’re correct. If and only if the cop’s car has a calibrated speedometer and the cop is trained in its use to clock speeders. I only know that those are the requirements in Pennsylvania of course, but I wouldn’t be surprised if those requirements apply in most other states as well. Something tells me that the game wardens don’t have calibrated speedometers in their trucks and that they’re not trained in traffic enforcement.
"Violation every 23 hours"? Sounds like a quota to me.
"Performance Goal" he called it.
They get around calling it a quota by tieing it into promotions because a quota system is illegal. The wardens have to write that level of tickets if they want to be considered for promotion. Is just another corrupt way for the cops to skirt the law.
💯💯💯@@LuckyBaldwin777
Sounds like basic revenue generation to me. That's the agent's primary purpose. Refuse their offers to contract as is your absolute right to do.
@@LuckyBaldwin777that’s why we have such a massive prison system. 30% of Alabama black male population cannot vote. Courtesy of their quota system. They arrested a lot of teens.
Game Wardens say they don’t have enough officers to patrol the wildlife areas.
Then get off the highways!!!!!
Yes. Due to the large area they have to keep an eye over. They have to get out and do a lot of walking around.
Bigfoot laughing.
@@BirdDogey1 that’s makes since. The cops were defunded not enough for the cities
if they want to be cops, transfer them to the UHP. Get em out of the game-warden business. Tell the DWR that they get a budget for wardens, not highway officers. I would also not pay any game warden for appearance in court on a non-DWR ticket. That is moonlighting and is done on their own time.
I’ve been pulled over and accused of going way over the speed limit. Tial i told the officer my work truck was gps tracked and I could easily prove he was lying. That ticket was suddenly turned into a verbal warning
Next time don't give the warning. Let the evidence speak for itself in court. It would be a much better lesson for the officer.
Like what was said above.... Let them lie and then under oath expose them... They don't give you the evidence they have on you before court so why should you give them the courtesy?
@@medix1203 the problem is when an officer is cought lying in court or the police report Nouthing ever happens to them
@@aarondavies8164 not worth it on a cds license. You still take a hit even if you win the case. It’s a rigged system
@@robertusa1234 This is true, but document, document, document. Truth and data beat feelings every time. You just have to play the long game. Eventually these liars will be exposed. If you are patient and gather enough evidence, the law can't ignore.
This is why you need a dash cam with speed recording.
Most newer cars have a black box that comes right from the factory like an airplane and can tell how much you were speeding or not or what your speed was.
@@FynnOliverEmonSillno they do not lol.
@@FynnOliverEmonSillyou may be talking about drive trip recorder on the ecm itself. But it's up to you to get that data pulled at a shop and prove it.
All of the drivers involved admit they were speeding, so that would what, provide additional proof?
Is VideoArchiveGuy the game warden? Why is he lying? Both men clearly stared they were NOT speeding.
"it's not a quota, it's a performance goal" Word salad from a typical bureaucrat. I don't care what you call it, that's a quota...............
Copaganda
@@u686st7Pignorance.
Yeah, a performance goal that must be met to avoid a poor performance rating, which makes it a quota. Until public officials face repercussions for violating laws, they’ll repeatedly break the law. This chief needs to be fired.
And where is the chief executive officer of the State - the Governor? His order would stop this nonsense immediately. Remind him/her that election is coming.
The word is Semantics.
Politicians do it all the time
If Wildlife Services are ticketing random people, then they need to cut personnel.
way too many employees.
They want your money and they will shoot you to get it. Now go back the blue so they can sit outside schools while they get shot up.
0:25 “See you in court, I guess”. What a loser mentality. Just pay your speeding ticket and move on with life 😂
0:25 “See you in court, I guess”. What a loser mentality. Just pay your speeding ticket and move on with life 😂
50% to start with
The Chief of the Utah DWR admitted on camera in this interview that he's breaking the Utah law. He's a criminal. Have hearings, charge him with this law breaking.
why are game wardens out acting like regular cops needs laws to keep them in their lane
Yuuup
Meanwhile the poachers are having a hayday
So if a game warden goes through the same training as any other cop in the state, and sees someone committing a crime on the road while en route to/from work, or in between jurisdictions, he just has to turn a blind eye??
@@Patricia-m9qwhat is their mandate?
Obviously not, if you actually listen
@@Patricia-m9q Pretty much this, yes.
Not their zone, not their issue. They call it in and continue to their assigned operation area.
this
Games Wardens should be patroling wildlife infractions, not doing the job of the Highway Patrol. They need to stay in their lane.
i see what you did there...clever lol...
Bro, u need to stay in your lane.
that was puny 😂
Wardens are police officers and they are often used by other police agencies. My son has been involved in border patrol and FBI as backup.
When you go to court to fight it, you find out that the game warden's brother in law is the judge
And the old greasy hot dog seller outside is his grandpa
And they're both married to dispatchers or DA's
Welcome to Utah!!!
Oh please... And it's an alien plot from Mars...
@@terrancestodolka4829Found the other family member of the warden.
Uh, that’s a quota. And that’s illegal.
Is tha6 why the DoJ is there?
@kierab4567 you sound a lot like a Karen that would trespass and call police on people for fishing in their own pond.
Quotas are illegal. Why are you whining?
@@hunterrichie2764
@@HawksDieselactually It's not illegal
they like to call em "Promotion Points"
"It's not a quota, it's a performance goal". That statement is what is known as a distinction without a difference! A quota IS a performance goal.
Euphemisms, a new American tradition.
No matter how you spin it this is a quota!
yes illegal
GPS dash cam is the only way to fight this
Wrong
@@stuwest3653 ^ why is that? Genuinely curious. GPS tagged footage can be confirmed in court by timing mileage markers
@@flennerj Learn how to read.
@@stuwest3653 fail. gps shows speed. absolutely admissible in court
@@stuwest3653 Explain yourself or cease your blather.
Install dash cameras and speed tracking sensors. Then take it to court and sue for violating your civil liberties.
1 citation every 23 hours? THAT is a Quota!
The wardens might pretend to object but they don't really; they got guns and badges for power and they love any time they use their gun and/or badge. They don't have to follow these quotas and they can fight any repercussion in their unions AND, yes, you lose your job rather than exercise unconstitutional power. Otherwise, "just following orders" is not an excuse.
@@dalepres1 well said
@@dalepres1 AND, game wardens are some of the slimiest leo's out there. They perform little in the way of public service and exist just to write tickets.
That's a drop in the bucket, the way people drive every law enforcement officer in the state of Utah could write tickets all day until their fingers bled.
@@Buckshot9796You think cops don't speed on their time off and even while on duty during non emergency driving. Raising revenue has taken desperate measures.
Anyone who sees a Utah wildlife and fisheries officer driving past their vehicle while driving at maximum speed limit should make a citizen's arrest.
"Performance Goal" is just a creative term for "Quota".
Not really that creative. They're literally the same thing.
0:25 “See you in court, I guess”. What a loser mentality. Just pay your speeding ticket and move on with life 😂
Exactly and if quotas are illegal, there should be a class action suit against them. They admitted it on camera.
0:25 “See you in court, I guess”. What a loser mentality. Just pay your speeding ticket and move on with life 😂
I don't believe they should be patrolling any roads ,not their job.
That’s not true, patrolling for speeding is not their job. If poaching from the road is a problem or some other such game related task then it’s absolutely within scope to patrol the road.
@@jaydunbar7538 My point is they are not payed to be writing speeding tickets or they would be equipped with radar.Shooting from the road yes but that is not what the clip was about was it? Apparently you are for government overreach, don't tell me ,you are a game warden making excuses?
@user-cn7np8fj7c
They are equipped with Radar! And a State Badge, handcuffs, AR's and their own holding cells. Seems like a duly appointed law enforcement agent to me.
It's not their job at all. I'm sure they have the authority if the situation arises but they should not be patrolling highways.
The should be enforcing all laws, maybe there would be less death on the roads if all police would enforcing traffic laws.
Sounds like they have WAY too many game wardens if they have time for this
0:25 “See you in court, I guess”. What a loser mentality. Just pay your speeding ticket and move on with life 😂
👮🏽♀️: “Son, you were going 100 MPH. Do you think this is a game?!”
😎: “Well, you ARE a game warden soooooo…”
This is gold 👆
"Is not a quota. It's a performance goal."
That's a distinction without a difference.
“They weren’t speeding. They were just driving really fast.”
"It's not a quota, it's a _fancy quota."_
If they're running traffic, then they have too many game wardens.
Anyone remember the DUI officer who gave out the record DUIs? They got busted for fraud and eventually suspended. Turns out most If not all of her DUIs weren’t actually a DUI. A performance goal is a quota.
How did the judge allow that ...make. 0 sense unless. Tge whole city was involved
@@supme7558 Tada! Now you’re thinking, after multiple lawsuits the officer was then suspended but not until then. It’s also amazing that the police departments states there’s no quota but then states it’s part of performance reviews which means there’s quantifiable measure of tickets being written, in other words a “quota”
Lisa steed of the Utah highway patrol.
@@bisurdaddy that’s the one, thank you!
You can’t allow agencies make up authority and expend their “powers” looking for revenue.
Game wardens can write speeding tickets. They are state police officers and have similar authorities as state troopers in many states.
@@djmenace3646 which states, the broke ones?
Now….. imagine what truck drivers go through??? In every state they cross!!!
Cops actually don't mess with us a lot, because we have ticket insurance, and there are lawyers who will fight every ticket.
Yep when I get up and go to work in the morning so does my very own cop and he's looking for me.
Imagine not breaking the law in a semi truck
All trucks have equipment to record speed and they know that.
Truck driving is a choice. If truck drivers can’t follow the law in a semi, they should work in another field. Truck drivers have the reputation they do for a reason lol
This is OUTRAGEOUS and UNACCEPTABLE! Game wardens don't need to be harassing driver's! They should be monitoring wildlife like their job description says! 🤔 🙄 😒 😤
Have you ever actually read what their job consists of? Read it then make a post.
Always wondered why game wardens have such nice and expensive trucks.
This just proves that there are more "Wildlife Officers" than is really necessary.....
Or, there's too many idiots drivers..
@@GodmadeTexas A claim ONLY made by an LEO to justify legal theft or one who worships authority or both. It's only logical.
@@1voluntaryist
Legal theft? Let's hear your version of that. I can hardly wait.
Legal theft as in an officer falsification of information resulting in fines and wasted time of a citizen in court.
@@GodmadeTexasno, it proves there are too many wildlife officers. If you want more highway patrol, make that argument.
The more that these agencies do the more I see why people hate them.
Use to be they were hunters themselves….now they are getting more and more activists…
@@rwh5350💯💯💯 exactly 💣
🎯
Now do you agree they should be defunded?😂
@@deanmartin2332 nope not defunded…they are actually going to be needed more with the “migrants”…
Unfortunately, some cops are bad at math, thinking that if they go 100 to catch up to you, then you must have been going 100 too.
A quota by any other name is still a quota.
It's a quota. What a bunch of liars.
There is a reason pretty much everyone hates game wardens. This just adds to it.
If I was a poacher, I'd hate them too.
@Highspdlowdrag These days, poachers dont have to worry about them, Game Wardens are usually busy spending their time on nonsense, instead of catching poachers.
@@Highspdlowdrag they rarely touch poachers in person... Only through tips and trail cams.
They aren't sitting in the woods waiting for someone to shoot a turkey or deer out of season like TV shows display.
It's called fundraising
Yeah, crowdsourcing kind of like.
A new breed of road pirate.
Isn't Utah a red state where they have "freedom" and like small govt and low taxes?
@@ZombieTomatoyep they do 🤣🤣
The net amount of money from fines is peanuts in an almost $30 billion dollar budget - this isn't about generating revenue, DNR doesn't get to "keep" this money it goes back to the General Fund. The real scheme is to generate a bunch of data (including slick tables, charts and graphics) for DNR bureaucrats to use to justify requests from the Legislature for more game officers, admin. staff, pickup trucks, helicopters, you name it. That is where the money is.
From Protect & Serve to Governor's Tax Collector
IT's 'to COLLECT and serve'
Exactly so they send this collect money to other countries
In a red state that claims they are against high taxes and big govt.
Here we go with the government haters (and Trump lovers)!
@@Sarah-im3lpSays the Democrat cult member.
"Required to document one violation every 23 hours"
You must do X within the timeframe of Y = The definition of a quota.
Why and who ordered the game wardens to give the tickets????
They have the same authority as State Police. Just like Homeland Security officers have the authority to pull someone over.
@@user-rk4sk3mo8y They are the modern equivalent of red coats, So no they have no authority. When the people get tired of the abuse they will do what the founders did.
@@user-rk4sk3mo8ynot stopping for either one. Have to draw the line somewhere
Game wardens have full police powers in most states.
@@Jblaze024 then I guess they will have a car chase 😅
Another 3 letter/alphabet agency overstepping their authority.
Law enforcement agencies always without exception over reach their intended mission.
In Louisiana if you see one of these guys, you had better SLOW down! The Louisiana Wildlife & Fisheries actually have more authority than any other law enforcement agency in the state of Louisiana. And they like to use it……
These tickets should be thrown out due to jurisdiction. The game wardens should not have any authority to write up traffic offenses.
... and all fines collect should be returned.
The entire state is their jurisdiction. They ARE state officers. The problem is the quota system. Now campus police at sprawling state colleges that have roads interconnecting various parts of the university. They are state officers, and can enforce traffic laws on roads adjoining their campuses. But dont patrol miles away from their jurisdictions. Game Wardens have to drive many miles from place to place. So the problem isnt their mandate, it is this quota system.
@@tomreid5002 jurisdiction is about more than just land that they're allowed to enforce the laws on. It also goes towards which laws they are allowed to enforce. For example, code enforcement officers can enforce building code but have no authority over traffic law or criminal law.
In my state, they are state officers and have every right to do the same as troopers, however they are not encouraged to target things outside of their specialty unless necessary.
@tomreid5002 THEY are WILDLIFE officers not state officers that would be called a state trooper
Right to court.
No calibrated speedometer to verify the ACCURATE speed.
Well, modern electronic speedometers are pretty accurate, besides, no speedo is going to be wildly inaccurate when a person is going100 in a 70. The real issue is does the game warden have the duty to patrol highways.
They do get calibrated. Required
@wood98357 they have to be certified from the factory not calibrated after the fact.
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I've PERSONALLY seen a Calibrated speedometer in an On Duty police cruiser go WILD when the sensors were cold.
Supposedly it worked after warming up.
Right to COURT and PROVE it's still accurate. They should have a test logbook for it.
@@ZombieKiller1965no, they go to an independent installer that is state/ federal certified to calibrate the meter. I was in the police,ems,firetruck, building industry.
How in the world does a game warden get to being a state trooper???? Game wardens dont even have radar to check speed in the first place.
Seems like the " Game Wardens " aren't really Game wardens.
Road pirates policing for profit. Not enough wildlife violators so they go after drivers for easy money.
Game wardens are actually one step below and 3 letter agency’s
Bullsh** a quota is a quota no matter how you dress it up.
Not only that there are a ton of court rulings on renaming quota's something else, however these are all different states that baned quotas and had to fight police departments.
The head guy thinks by making a declaration that it isn't a quota is adequate enough.
You can only put so much lipstick on a pig!
Cops are trained to know that phrases like "I'm not gonna lie" means you are about to lie. It's funny to see one clearly lying after saying it.
Cops are incapable of telling the truth
He accused the guy of going over 100 then decided to write him for 90 in a 70 it's their own little roadside DA office
@@bob-o5206 Officer discretion. It's usually to the benefit of the person they're stopping.
@@rk-us3zl They take an oath to enforce the law. Sounds to me like that oath was violated if the guy was going over 100 he should enforce it the cop has no power to reduce the charges on the side of the road at his discretion.
@@bob-o5206 the oath is to support the Constitution. Officer discretion is an absolutely important tool. for both officers and the public. Have you ever sped. Have you ever gotten a warning from a cop? Should you get a ticket for going one mile over? The entire premise of community policing is built on discretion.
Those aren't game wardens, they are now Revenuers.
Chief Wyatt Bubak needs to stay in his lane.
Generating revenue by writing ''iffy'' speeding tickets is NOT what he was hired for.
What's an iffy speeding ticket? 1 mph over is speeding by definition!
@@BigBadJohnDiesel
They don't have any equipment to check the speed and no way of proving anyone drove over the speed limit. We should just believe them on their word?
@@BigBadJohnDieselfound the boot licker
@@BigBadJohnDieselby who's and what definition? speedometers have an inherent plus or minus inaccuracy so do all other measuring devices.
@larryd1344 game wardens have radar (used mainly for atv and snowmobile speed checks) and calibrated speedometer so they can absolutely check speeds. Also if someone is going 10+ over the limit calibration or not it would hold up as speeding in court people are just crying they got caught did you not hear they said most people straight up admitted they were speeding. Always some who won't admit they broke the law even when caught
“Show me the man and I'll show you the crime” -Beria
If there's pressure to produce "results" then the officers will create offenses
You can't even become a game warden unless you're in the big club and know someone
Quotas always lead to bad behavior. If there is a "cheat", someone will find it.
Gotta love when people say it’s just my job. Worst things done in history is people just doing their jobs
"I was just following orders".
No. The worst things done in history are people who claim to be "on the right side of history."
@@DeadlyPlatypus Germany tried to show us the way.
@@DeadlyPlatypus I watch documentaries of people who was under these rulers who killed no telling how many cause it was their job.
@@antiantifans1914Germany was the right side, not the allies.
Take every single one to a Jury trial!
So if they don't catch anyone breaking the law, do they just make up charges against random drivers?
I would bet a certain percentage do exactly that
Yes, they do. I got one from a regular cop. I was going 35 in a 35. Come over the hill and there's a school zone sign. No warning beforehand, flashing lights, or even a school right there. I had a trailer and people behind me, so I couldn't just slam on the brakes for no reason. Saw there was no one there but let off the gas to slow down anyways. Dirtbag in an unmarked car hiding around the corner gave me an illegal ticket and tried to get me to say I was on the phone or something so he could make it worse. As soon as I went on my way, he was pulling someone else over.
Yes! one of the channels i follow pulled a boat out of Lake Mead, that had sank 30 years ago, to fix it up find the owners, and give it back. DWR came to his house and just about put the RUclipsr in JAIL over DEAD CLAMS!!! (qugamuscles)... Well, he talked about it on this Ytube show, and the same guy came back Demanding he take down the video saying he was contacted at all by DWR, and if it didn't he could be arrested for Slander, and false accusations. DWR lost their trail against the RUclipsr, but the family still problems with that officer for a few weeks, like that officer would sit near where they live and follow them around, WAITING on them to do 1 wrong thing so he could arrest anyone in the family he could. @UTAHDWR are all D!CKS that are power hungry.. much like the ATF.
Why you think they are using the dnr for law enforcement? Do you all realize while the sheriff or city police need search warrants the direction do not need a warrant to enter your home or car.
@@mattmatt6572 FBI can not enter your house without a search warrant unless they are ACTIVELY chasing someone, and if they see something in your house, they can not arrest you for it. , unless they get a search warrant and come back.
4th amendment saves you from illegal searches and seizure. DNR/DWR can fugg off!
ALL police and government agencies must have a search warrant or exigent circumstances to search your car/home.
A quota statue is illegal in every state,if officers are directed to be on a quota order the head of the agency and the officers involved need to be charged with the crime
Yet every single state has them. This might shock you to realize but law enforcement has a very situational view on when and who the law applies to.
@@machinech183 in some respects you are correct non the less quota requirements are illegal
@@mikelembke5121 the police won't enforce it on themselves, so illegal or not doesn't matter in practice.
This is why you go to your state Inspector General. They are the ones who prosecute government corruption.@@machinech183
That warden is a creep
I know someone who got a ticket for “inappropriate weapon“ because she was driving through an elk unit without her elk rifle but she had a 22. “Im obviously not elk hunting.” “Yes you are.” Quota.
Yeah that should get tossed in court. They have to prove intent, simply having a rifle in your vehicle doesn't mean you were hunting.
They can write that up on anyone. They just have to say their vehicle is an inappropriate weapon.
@@mrvwbug4423But someone shouldn't have to go to court.
Over something made up by some clown in a costume
Totally unacceptable as former law enforcement. Their job is protecting wildlife not traffic enforcement. This is a guy who wanted to be a state trooper and couldn’t cut it
I agree with you 100%, also as a retired LEO myself.
Unacceptable?? That's it? So it is legal?
They're a state police officer. There jurisdiction is the entire state and the entirety of state laws. And in many states it's much more competitive to become a game warden.
The quota that management is imposing on them however...
@@rk-us3zl State Law enforcment or not , they are sworn in as wildlife officers, not traffic cops their section of laws they enforce have to do with wildlife management not speeding tickets.
Former trooper here…. Absolutely agree
The Game Warden loophole that allows for search without a warrant. Everyone needs to have their own dash cam.
THAT is 100% Unconstitutional and MUST be challenged again! There are NO EXCEPTIONS to the 4th Amendment!
Ask in court " Officer/Warden when and by whom was the speedometer in your vehicle calibrated?"
I would also ask if the tires on the Wardens vehicle are original to the specs that came with the vehicle when it was brand new? Or have they been changed to a different size tire. A different set of tires other than the recommended ones can vary a speedometer 3-8 miles an hour faster.
@@laudanum669 also larger rims and speedometer would read below the actual speed
Calibrating speedometers doesn't take long nor is it difficult to do and gets done every shift. But is always a fun question to ask!
The judge has heard that one before. The assumption is that modern speedometers are “ are reasonably accurate” A statement that it appeared to be functioning normally, is enough.
@@saintsinningsword Gets done every shift? Yeah right
They need to stay focused on their mission. They can’t afford the bad publicity that comes from this.
Game wardens/fish and wild life/ pine patrol don't belong on the hwy. I hunt and fish regularly and I've only dealt with game wardens once. And he didn't even check for a fishing license.
Ya they shouldn't be able to ticket anyone
Sure they can. The taxpayers pockets are bottomless when it comes to paying lawsuits they create, while officers have Sovereign Citizen/Qualified Immunity, on top of the Blue Line Gang protection.
Y'all r silly game wardens are cops.
Don't speed, simple as that.
0 accountability, they got caught speeding. Don't believe a word they say.
What this tells me is they are not actually gauging speed they are guessing and hoping the court doesn't call them on it.
probably reading the speed it takes to catch up to the suspect and calling that their traveling speed.
@@aesonica That is no better than a hunch
How did you not ask the follow up question? When the Chief said it's not a quota, it's a performance goal, the obvious question is "What's the difference?"!!!!
Exactly. Around here they insist there is no quota but if an officer writes 20 tickets on a certain beat he should be able to maintain that level.
In Michigan, those in charge let city cops extend their boundaries well past city limits, and they'll patrol outside of the city, 15-20 miles away, where they're well out of jurisdiction. It's absolute over reach, just to make money.
Especially if the Wardens truck has non-factory tires on it, there is no way his speedometer reading will stand up in the courts unless there is record of it being calibrated with those tires on it.
Yep I have the same truck with similar tires on it and my speedometer is pretty far off at highway speed. And is way to expensive to have it calibrated so I never did it just go off gps when I need to
Two / three mph difference isn't a factor.
This worm is the worst type of government employee.
yup right next to the snake.
If they have some huge payouts in court over this, it will stop.
Tell me the difference between a performance goal and a quota.
So… they have so much free time they have to do someone else’s job????
That yellow car has a computer in it that they can pull out the information from it and tell exactly how fast he was going and exactly what time of day…..
Performance goal, that's rich.
Wasn’t it Utah Game Warden that tried to frame fab rats for Quagga muscle transport when hauling a recovered sunken boat to be repaired?
Bingo!
DNR in Utah has always been questionable, and out of their lane.
Disagree with this whole quota business, and I'm not privy to all the details on what you're mentioning, but to be fair. It is illegal to transport water out of lake Powell due to its mussel infestation. So depends on the logistics of what was happening, it might have been a valid ticket, however unfounded in it being given out. Not like these tickets which are completely made up and falsely given.
I wouldn't accept a speeding ticket from a game warden.
That chief should be fired if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck.
Well, they are protecting wildlife.
Game wardens should stick to dirt roads and checking fishing licenses.
That was DNR. THey are worse than the game warden
Then what about poachers who take illegal game?
That's why they call them fish cops.
I haven't had a fishing license check since 1975.
No way I'd stop for a game warden.
This is fundraising. Why do we need to keep making new laws to protect us from those who are supposed to protect us??
Why are LEO "supposed to protect"? Two reasons: 1. It's our justification of granting them power over us. 2. They promised "To Protect & Serve". This tyranny will continue until you & I REVOKE ALL AUTHORITY and punish the abuse. Stop respecting liars, thieves, thugs. It's OUR fault if we don't act to protect ourselves.
If game wardens have time to patrol the highway they are over staffed.
Quotas have already been proven unconstitutional. If there is a quota or "performance goal," then it's illegal.
Ask for the certification certificate for the speedometer in the vehicle that pulled you over, in the state of Florida police have to have the speedometer certified every six months to verify the accuracy of the speedometer being used to pace clock. If Utah has no such requirement to have the speedometer certified, then ask for the charge to be dismissed because the officer can not verify the accuracy of the speedometer.
"It's not a quota, it's a performance goal"
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck. It's probably a duck.
That 20 year old is a very mature and insightful young man
That's proof that there's no crime in the area that they're creating crimes. Also , that means that there are too many officers in that county on the job.
"It's not a quote... it's a 'performance goal.'" Thanks for bringing this story to light. What corruption. I hope this gets exactly the right attention.
They need money. However, Wildlife Enforcement has more authority than you think.
I was in the process of retiring to Utah. I was going exactly 70.0 MPH one evening. This was confirmed by my GPS and the GPS in my dash cam. The game officer was not interested and insisted I was going over 80 MPH and gave me a ticket.
I had to fly back to Utah to go to court and brought in my dash cam to get a not guilty verdict. My GPS records my speed and so does my dash cam. Even though I was not guilty the airline ticket, hotel room and expenses were $738.oo.
Leaving court in a rented car I was given another speeding ticket even though I was definitely not speeding. I just paid the ticket and left, resulting in an increase in car insurance.
Nope, I’m not retiring in Utah. In fact, I don’t intend to drive through Utah ever again. Highway robbery! Dishonest officers. A court system that makes it very expensive to prove you are not guilty.
Mormon mafia state.
I grew up in Utah, and left for garbage exactly like this in my late 30s. I have friends and family that insist that Utah is somehow superior to southern California and that I need to move back. I'm now in my mid50s, but I'm never gonna live there permanently, because Utah is still as bass-ackwards as it ever was.
The cops count on people not fighting BS tickets, especially when they're not from the area.
You could have requested a zoom court
@@camronchacon7259 this was before they had it. It was 17 years ago when I was going to retire in Utah. I never went back and I’ve never even driven through the state again. I’m not gonna give them another chance at me. Both officers lied.
First mistake is being in utah.
I grew up in Utah, and left for garbage exactly like this in my late 30s. I have friends and family that insist that Utah is somehow superior to southern California and that I need to move back. I'm now in my mid50s, but I'm never gonna live there permanently, because Utah is still as bass-ackwards as it ever was.
I've been to worst places.
I can imagine police have a lot of time on their hand being that a large percentage of the populations is above poverty.
I’m from Utah and watching this story infuriated me. They are incentivized to go do anything but their real job…
No different than for pofit prisons. They need repeat business. Are some judges obliging them?
Game wardens have way too much power and they love to abuse it…
Guess you got caught doing something breaking the law.
@@Roseau1boomer
@@yeedbottomtext7563 A lot of us boomers are fed up with the heavy-handed law enforcement agencies.
@@Roseau1Spoken like a true boot licker.
If no wildlife is involved, game wardens or wildlife officers should have no jurisdiction.
This also explains why a Famous RUclipsr was given a bogus charge that was actually dropped by court system
Famous RUclipsr… what a joke
I saw that. Fabrats is the RUclips channel. The DNR agent that brought those charges is a known tyrant. He charged him even after meeting with them and they proved that there wasn’t any quagga mussels
You talking about the guy with the huge diesel, lives in Tennessee?
@@MrAlsbrooks No the 2 RUclips channels that got all the paperwork to recover a boat from an old lake bed and then got served papers saying he did something illegal
@@JeRKIIheavydsparks?
It's just a money grab based on lies! .. Drivers need to ask to see the detection device and the "certified speedometer " bef signing the citation !!
The phrase "money grab" makes me ask: do these wardens ever search "speeders" for cash in the vehicles and steal their cash at gun point? The ticket might just be a reason to get inside the vehicle and look for the real money that they get to confiscate. I've seen many cops on RUclips bragging that finding money is one of the parts of their work that they like the most.
If no other agency can get a warrant - give it to a game warden.
If your "Proformance Goals" are to "document" more infractions,.....THAT'S a quota plain and simple. Any Reasonable person can see that.
Look how free we are...
I got my first ticket in over 7 years from a cop a few months back and it was extremely fishy situation which makes me think its a quota thing
In Pennsylvania the only way a speeding ticket will stand up in court if it’s contested is if the cop brings in proof that the tool used to measure the speed is calibrated and that the cop is trained in it’s use. Every one of those tickets that the game wardens are writing would be dismissed in Pennsylvania if the drivers of the cars fight them.
"It's" is a conversation of "it is".
*Lydar radar devices self calibrate when turned on. They have to be sent in and tested once every 2 years. Yes, so called "visual pacing" should not be legal, but state legislators unfortunately make the laws of each state and are the ones who approved "visual pacing". Even if one beats the ticket they still lose time, money and a day off work.*
go in and argue a pace clock on a calibrated speedo, you lose.
@@christiangreen1477 You’re correct. If and only if the cop’s car has a calibrated speedometer and the cop is trained in its use to clock speeders. I only know that those are the requirements in Pennsylvania of course, but I wouldn’t be surprised if those requirements apply in most other states as well. Something tells me that the game wardens don’t have calibrated speedometers in their trucks and that they’re not trained in traffic enforcement.