I ordered this for my first attempt at a machine polish. I thought it was a great middle of the road choice where as rupes was just out of range price wise but I thought this would get me the most value for its price point and after watching this I think it's safe to say I made the right choice
Hi Sandro, Ive been lurking in the background for a couple of years now but my silence needs to be broken to say a huge thank you for sharing your knowledge & experience (not just with the 620's) with us, Ive been thinking about giving my old / original Rupes a breather as its been used on approx 50 vehicles over the recent years (I'm retired with spinal injuries but detailing is my passion, sanity & both mental & physical theropy for the best part of 15 years now since my accident & buying a comfort car that arrived loaded with holograms) Just a Huge Thank You fella, wishing you success, health & happiness, Mike S & just about to pull the trigger on the 620:5/15
I think it’s really great that in the midst of dealing with something as obviously serious and life changing as a spinal injury you’ve found therapy and metal health in detailing and I really appreciate hearing that the videos have been helpful on that journey. Thank you mate and my very best wishes to you!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing sadley I am having problems with the speed dial turning by itself with very vibration. Also it just broke today. The variable speed stopped working and it just keeps increasing in speed until it turns off automatically :( such a beast of a machine.
Dude my ex620 pro polisher is going to get buried with me. And if they never came out with this new model I still think that the 610 is better than anything out there. They're smooth they're quiet and they are the most comfortable and well-balanced polishers I have ever run. I know what you mean on every facet of this review and agree with you. A very good review, my friend!
Hi Zubair, If I may ask where did you source your EX620 from and is it the 15mm throw?... I noticed a few suppliers have the machine in S.a but it's only available in the 21mm. TIA
Had my shine mates for quite a while now , awesome machines for budget compared to rupes but haven’t had no problems very consistent with my correction, very good product.
Thanks for the video, I've only been detailing for 3 years now and started off with the ex610/15. It has been an awesome machine but seems to be wearing out a bit and I have been shopping around for another machine but haven't been able to make up my mind. I did look at the ex620/15 but in South Africa we don't have stock yet but I have been informed that stock will be arriving on the 19th May. After watching your video, I think I'll stick to the Shinemate brand. Thanks for helping me make my choice 😂
Hi Sandro another quality video🙂 I was in the process of buying the EX620-5/15MM polisher even though I'm a home detailing enthusiasts, unfortunately my pressure washer gave up so my savings is going towards a new one. Once I save enough again I know buying this machine is a good choice as your opinion i trust an value when making decisions on detailing equipment and procedures to follow when detailing. Warm Regards from South Africa 🇿🇦
Sandro, As luck would have it, my old and trusty 8mm-throw DA has failed in the middle of a restoration job. This video did a lot to convince me that my replacement will be the 620/15. Looking forward to the leap in capability, reduction in time/energy, and a lot (lot) less stalling. Cheers mate!
If I remember correctly, the very first of you that I saw was the 3" comparison, where I first heard about the Shine Mate brand. Ever since I've been addicted to your fabulous channel! I must say I do have one negative comment about the brand, as far as I know, it's not available in Europe and i havent been able to try one of them. I do love that they have stepped up the game, and cant wait till I get to try them one day!
Just got a 6/21 in Canada. You werent kidding that this tool has power! Thanks. Youre right in that it may be excessive in power :) Its probably more powerful than my Makita rotary. However Festool takes the prize for power and smoothness in delivery.
Great review as usual. I just ordered the 21mm from Carzilla in Canada. Can't wait to get my hands on it and try it out. I agree with you about a new 3" polisher, I hope Shinemate is watching & will come up with one soon. Keep up the excellent work you do & for the effort you put in to making videos of the many products and tools available, it's very useful + helpful to me and I'm sure all of your subscribers. Thanks, Vince.
I just opened one today and man what a great machine. I also got a Griots G9 and it vibrates way too much for my comfort. Shine mate is a very well made beast that is also smooth and powerful.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing I watch your videos intently and you make one of the finest car detailing videos and your reviews are so objective that I bought the Shinemate after seeing your review and I was not dissapointed. Please keep up the great work!
Thanks Sandro, I have never polished before and would like your advice as to whether you think that the Shinemate EX620 Pro 15mm is a good machine to start off with? Likewise with the EB210?
Firstly thank you, I really appreciate the kind support! The EX620 15mm is in my opinion still the best all round large car polisher on the market. I use it all the time in my beginner polishing classes and there’s nothing the students find intimidating about it, and within a short amount of time they are usually very comfortable with the machine. The bonus is that you can’t outgrow it as it’s as capable as anything out there. (The EX620 21mm version on the other hand, can sometimes feel a bit much for some beginners) As far as the EB210 goes, you really can’t go wrong if it’s a macro polisher you’re after - it smooth, powerful and there’s very little intricate areas it can’t effectively correct - smaller machines do also tend to be easier to work with and control, though do tend to be far more time consuming. My general advise it to start with a large 5” or 6” polisher, focus more on light polishing (meaning fine polishes and foam pads) and just look for a good improvement to begin with. Once you’ve practiced a bit and gotten a feel for it, then you can progress to more in-depth paint correction using more aggressive compounds/pads and more specialised smaller polishing machines. Hope that helps mate!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing likewise thank you for your kind support by putting out such great real life content mate. Thank you for that mate. It is what wanted to hear before I made my purchase. Some honest genuine advice. I wish you continued and further success Sandro.
Honestly, I find myself using a 3" polisher almost *more* than full size machines. A compact with monster correction power 12mm dedicated 3" polisher is something I'm definitely always looking for. Thanks Sandro, great demo, great message. 👍👌✌
@@PumaM90 I didn't mean that literally, I was exaggerating a bit for effect. 😁 But I don't do alot of production style enhancement polishing where you knock out 3 cars a day. I'm usually doing multi-day full corrections and restorations, and I do quite a few motorcycles. Plus just modern cars in general tend to have more body lines and shapes and areas that aren't ideal for full size pads. Add all your precise edge work to that and you'll find yourself spending a lot of time with a 3" and 1" pads.
Great review, Sandro. I love my mini Shinemate rotary polisher and I am in the market for a 15mm throw da. I think I will wait for this to come to Britain. It is great that this company is innovating and keeping the established brands on their toes. It puts me in mind of when Honda launched the original NSX and put pressure on the established sports car makers to up their game.👍
I have been debating on buying a new 12mm or 8mm polisher and even a new 15mm polisher and haven't made my mind up. But Max Shine and Shine Mate have been on my list of potential buys. I think I will be giving Shine Mate and Max Shine a try instead of going with my regular options.
Sandro, thanks for posting this review. I've been in the market for a new polisher and wasn't happy with the stall potential of the usual suspects in the market. I went with an EX620 5/15 which just arrived today. I'm US-based, so finding a distributor wasn't easy, but it was possible and the shipment just arrived. Looking forward to getting hands-on with it. Cheers.
@@404notfound..... I agree with Sandro on all accounts. It's possible to stall the pad in the right conditions, but it's much less susceptible than other machines. The effectiveness of the speed adjustment is what caught me by surprise. You can feel the machine adjust power as your pressure against the panel varies, which keeps the pad moving at a consistent speed. In terms of too much power, the speed dial, pad choice, and product aggressiveness are your friends. The lower speeds are actually usable and will help control paint removal.
i really like my 620/15mm its everything You said it is, i keep it under speed 5 and it does the trick with less vibration then higher. [compound], im old school and use rotary when needed, but that power ratio on that DA is something else! well balance, not too noisy, and Great Bang for the Money~!!!! im in Canada :-)
These machines are beasts!! Been using both for about 2 months and absolutely love them I wish shinemate would make different front grip handles available and 3" as well in this line Their cordless 3" and other models rather impressive as they barely stall as well
Thanks for the video. They look like great polishers. A powerful 3 inch would be nice. It is one of the reasons I sold my Rupes 3 inch. I will have to watch your video on the cordless Shine Mate polishers again. Looking to invest in some nice cordless polishers.
Sandro - would be interesting to see a video on panel prep to remove polishing oils before applying coatings. I see you use a range of polishes (some oily like Scholl, others less so) and interested to see if your approach to wipedown is the same regardless. Potentially a shootout between panel wipes for use with the more oily compounds would be very useful! :)
Always appreciate the videos you produce. Personally I love paint correction and you’re helping me in the visual side of my learning. We use griots garage polishers which are great for a weekend guy but I think shinemate is the next step to try
Sounds good, sadly I could not find it in The UK! Literally nowhere to be found! Shinemate are very bad at getting back to customer enquiries in my experience! Good review though. Top work as always Sandro!
I currently have 2 shine mate DA’s and have no problem with them. I debated getting a rupes but could not justify the cost for a diy’er who only does my personal cars and a few others. Maybe I’ll pass those down to my son who is starting a detailing business and pick up one of the new ones myself.
Great video as always. I was considering getting the Shine Mate Cordless polisher. Good to know that they are a solid brand and big brand. The Flex cordless seems little pricey and some of the other cordless tool I feel aren't really for serious detailing.
I lobbied 30 power tool companies for dual and adjustable orbit in 2012 but they didnt listen. Thanks for your videos, you do it very well. Ive said it for ten years, DA machines need torque like crazy, i hated the rupes mk 1 as the dyna shit all over it.
The most powerful free spinning DA i ever had was my dynabrade 61385 teamed with a flex stone grinder from 2012. 19mm orbit, 1500 watts, 0-7600 rpm, tonnes of torque, zero bogdown free spinning and locked mode (like rotary with 19mm orbit combined) machine. With the flex its very balanced but i know its day has come and gone. I do want to see more companies take it up to rupes and flex who dominate the industry.
Thanks, Sandro. I have both the 15mm & 21mm of the EX620 series. I do not find the 15mm to have all that much torque, unless you're on at least speed 4. OPM vs. OPM, my Maxshine 15mm Series II has more power than the Shinemate Ex620 15mm. The 21mm is the opposite, very powerful and you don't need to crank up the speed. I love it!
There’s a learning curve when moving from a rotary to a DA, but if you take the time to understand how they differ and how to effectively use a DA, there’s so many benefits to be had!
Shinemate need to setup here in New Zealand. I can't get their whole product range here and my only access is through Australia. Not a lot of suppliers will deliver to NZ, and I feel a bit uneasy about sending by airmail. I'm about to add a 21 to my collection and would love a cordless. Guess I'll have to stick to Rupes.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing oh I totally agree. I've been following you for awhile now and always wanted a cordless from shine mate. Flex is a bit pricey for me at this stage.... Maybe sometime in the future
They're both very smooth. I never had a rupes and borrowed a 15mm to do a showdown between 3 15mm machines and my opinion is Power sector is shinemate ,griots g15 ,rupes Smoothness sector shinemate ,rupes, griots Ergonomics Griots, rupes ,shinemate Shinemate needs to offer different grips for the user preference I love the grip and height on griots and still use that a lot even though is has a little more vibration
Also Sandro is the cord was in a upper position so when you over hang it over your shoulder it stays out of the way when using it, but then again the amount of different pads and sizes you have you could correct any painted surface and even like the back Camaro ZL1 you did all its sharp lines and plastic rear tail lights and other areas, your the best at paint correction IMHO on u tube and in Australia full stop, your work simply outshines all the rest and your the best?
So i pull the trigger and bought one, i have to say this machine have unlimited power, very well made and pleasant to work with. But there are two things i don't like, first is "soft start" function when it isn't really that smooth as other machines i have/had. Second on is already mentioned (in comments)- the speed switch, it just spin too easy, it happened to me many times when I found speed on different settings withnout me knowing about touching it. Shame that shinemate did not spend just little more time on the speed switch.
Sandro, there is a shine mate ex620 21mm with a 5-inch chainring and obviously a smaller counterweight for said chainring. which has more power the 21mm ex620 with a 6 backing plate or the 21mm ex620 with a 5 baking plate? Thank you regards Claudio.
The 351 is probably the best around cordless on the market, it won’t disappoint. However 🙂 … the 620 is such an amazing machine, more torque, less stall and smoother than just about any machine. It really has to come down to whether the cord is a deal breaker or not - and that has to be a personal choice.
I am in the process of returning a optimum DA21EM3 as i was told it was a zentool(like 21e2) but it is in fact not built by zen at all. Have you by chance used the zen 21e2 to offer a comparison? I have used that one and absolutely love it hut finding it hard to get a hold of one living in canada
Yes, but it’s different amounts of pressure depending on the machine, pad, section and so on. The best way to judge the amount on DA polishers is to look for just the slightest amount of rotational slow and even listen for just the slightest motor stress. After a bit of experience it’s something you won’t even think about and just apply subconsciously.
Hi.I am a beginner but I have polished a few cars. Customers were very satisfied. I want to buy a 15mm orbit machine, but I don't know which EB351-5 / 15 CORDLESS or EX620 5/15.I learn from the best and I hope Sandro you will give me good advice, as always.Best Regards😀
I think I will buy cordless because I searched the internet and nowhere in the UK I will not buy ex620, maybe in half a year or a year it will be available. Very small distribution of Shinemate is in the UK. There is only one online store where I can buy cordless 15.
@petegangies some people like that setup, but I actually prefer the 15mm with the 5” plate, it’s got more than enough torque and runs a little smoother with a bit more precision with the smaller throw.
Hi Sandro! Thank you for all the great work and effort you put in your channel. I'm building my correction setup, pads of choice to start are Rupes Yellow and Lake Country MF. Already have a EX-603 and currently looking for a 15mm DA. Is the 610 better suited for beginners than the 620? Because the local stores only carry the 620 at the moment and I'm a bit reluctant if the 620 can be too much. Or the main problem could be the 620 not giving the proper learning curve. Thanks again, JC
Yes I would tend to say the 610s are better to start and lean with compared to the 620s, but the EX605 is also a great first machine to learn on and also one to hang onto as it still cuts quite well and finishes beautifully on those more difficult softer paints. The Flex XFE7 is another good polishers to start with (as long as you don’t use it with the 6” plate- just stick to the 5”) and the Rupes LHR15 MK3 is a very good all rounder but it does come at a price.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Thanks, appreciate it. Rupes is a bit out of budget right now, I'll try to ask my local shop if they can get me a 610, sounds a better option. BTW, have you noticed how many thank you's people type in the comments? :D cheers!
hi Sandro, im getting hyped about this machine as i cant really afford rupes. You are using this machine for some time, so i was wondering if you still love the machine or you find her weak points. thanks as always for great content :) and hope you doing well
It’s not perfect - no machine is! It can be a little noisy and vibrate a bit more than a Rupes, but the extra power and torque makes up for it and I still love it!
Sandro , existe una shine mate ex620 21mm con plato de 5 pulgadas y obviamente contrapeso mas chico para dicho plato. cual tiene mas potencia la 21mm ex620 con backing plate de 6 o la 21mm ex620 con baking plate de 5? gracias saludos Claudio.
I don't mind using a DA, and the DA is easy to use, but Rotary just seems to work so much faster and efficiently at the cost of a much higher skill ceiling .
Reckon I would need both a 15mm polisher like the EX620 and also something like the Shine Mate EX603 Mini in order to get into most/all parts of the panels?
A larger 5” or 6” polisher together with a smaller 3” is generally a great combination on polishers to address most areas in an efficient and effective manner.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing would the 15mm ex620 be suitable for a beginner? I have read that you said the 21mm is much too powerful for someone starting off.
Yes I definitely wouldn’t recommend the 620 6/21mm for a beginner. The 620 5/15mm is more of a borderline polisher, so you can be okay with it as a beginner, just take it easy with speed and pressure to start with and grow into it slowly.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thanks so much. I think the Rupes Nano is really the only option at the moment for getting into really tight areas? I'll definitely be keen for your detailing courses when they come back.
Hey Sandro fantastic review mate 👌. I have the Rupes mk2 and a couple of the 610's. Generally i use speed 4 for cutting & 2.5 - 3 for refining, in your opinion what speed are you finding works well on the 620 15mm as they have more power and torque? Cheers
Thanks mate, and both machine are different so I typically find I’m using the 620-21 at lower speeds than the 15. We all work a little differently and each DA is additionally different but I would say I’m cutting from speeds 2-5 and finishing from 1.5 -4.5 just depending. With the extra torque there’s just a larger range of speed and pressure available to work with and I’m still exploring all of that
You can certainly try that, but I would be in the mind set of doing a test section to see if there’s a benefit, no difference or even a degraded finish in the results. So in other words you have to visually confirm what this final polishing stage is doing to the specific paints appearance as not all paints respond the same.
So would the 15mm be the best da for the price range ill be using it everyday for a dealership itl mainly be for the 2nd and 3rd step because I use my flex rotary for cutting?
We badly need a US distributor for ShineMate!! What compound were you using on the blue HDO pad around the 14:30 mark? Got some serious correction there. Great video Sandro!
When you have decided to use a 5" long throw DA polisher for a paint correction, which would you grab first and why; the corded EX620 PRO 15mm or EB351-5/15 5" cordless polisher? Has it been your experience that the EX620 corrects significantly better/faster than the EB351 to justify choosing the heavier less maneuverable corded machine?
The 620s definitely have more torque and I’d say they are the smoothest and most powerful DAs on the market, so there are times when that will be my priority based of needing maximum cutting ability. But I almost feel like they may be my last corded machines as the cordless Shine Mate are just so good and great for most jobs and there’s no denying that cordless is the future and my guess is that the next updated machines and batteries will be amazing. I’m also keen to see Rupes enter that space and Flex do better with the cordless technology.
It’s different and hard to directly compare a forced rotation to a free spinning DA in those terms. Generally larger throw DAs will have better cut on flat sections while gear driven DAs will tend to cut better in curves and crevices.
Maestro: Nice video, thanks. Detailing my cars its a hobbie for me and I really do it well (not even close to your level of course) but I learn a lot watching your videos. I have been saving money to buy my first polisher and I will highly appreciate your advise about what polisher you will recommend me to buy. Please take in consideration that I will buy only one polisher; what size its better? 3,5or6 inches?; Rotary or DA? what brand?... If you can give me some choices...some thing rational for my needs. In advanced thank you very much. Greetings from Monterrey, México.
I would tend to recommend a 5” 15mm DA polisher as an only one machine set up for someone starting out, and something like the Shine Mate 610-15/5 could be a great affordable and performing machine.
Thanks and yes, 5” pads are what it’s setup for. Just for reference Shine Mate’s 7” foam pads are for 6” backing plates and their 6” pads are for 5” backing plates, I know it’s confusing but the brand measures the larger tapered end of the pad, rather than the Velcro end of the pad to stipulate the pad’s size. With most other pad brands you’ll be looking at either 5” or 5.5” pads to fit this machine.
Hello, I'm looking to buy my first DA polisher, which do you recommend? Griots is unfortunately not available in my country. 1. MaxShine M8S Mk1 ($120) 2. MaxShine M15 Pro II ($225) 3. ShineMate EX610/15 ($210) 4. ShineMate EX620/15 ($275) 5. Rupes LHR15 ES Mk1 ($355) 6. Other brands/models? Also, for smaller/tighter surface areas, should I buy one of those micro/mini polishers like the SPTA ones or just get a 3" polisher like the ShineMate EX603?
Thanks for the review! I want to get one of these but dont like using 6inch pads, should I get the 15 or can the 21 accept a 5 inch backing plate without upsetting the machine?
I expect 6” plate on the 15mm will run rougher - haven’t tried it - but being that the 620/15 is very torquey, powerful and smooth I think 99% of users will be quite happy with the standard setup.
It’s really going to become a preference just like choosing a Rupes LHR15 or LHR21. The 15 is going to be a little smoother and have a better balance of cut vs finish, while the 21 is going to be a more capable and faster cutting machine but at the expense of perhaps not finishing quite as well especially on softer paints and have a touch more vibration. So it’s going to come down to what’s most important to you and maybe also what other polishers you have and which one would best complement or fill gaps in your current setup 😀
Hey Sandro the best video as I bought the new 21mm pro and was wondering did I do the right thing as I have the 3" and 12mm and now the 21mm for harder paints. Whats your preferred the 15 or 21 and can the 21 do most jobs on a full car if polish and pad choice is chosen correct?
Throughout the years I’ve gone from purely using rotary to 21mm DAs to 15mm DAs to gear driven and back again! It’s really all about the machine at the time that gets my attention and tends to change what I use. At the moment the both these two 620 machines have my attention and I’m not sure which one I prefer, as the 21 is just a beast that can level down severe defects on hard paint like nothing else, while the 15 is so much more civil yet still packs a punch. I guess time will tell!
I’ve had quite a few students gravitate and really like the ex620/15mm as first time users, the 21mm on the other hand can take more time to feel comfortable with.
Maybe the video below will additionally help, but these different DA polishers exist to serve slight different needs as well as appeal to users with slightly different skill sets wants and needs with paint correction so it’s not a matter of one being better than the other - so I can’t answer that question. ruclips.net/video/m6tbu3GrTWI/видео.html
Another _stupendous_ review, Sandro!! 🍻 I absolutely love my EX620 5/15 ... a real god-send for my fussy paint. 🙏🏼 The only thing I can possibly gripe is the speed dial spins VERY freely (more than any other machine I’ve used). Is yours like that, too? Perhaps, it’s a ShineMate feature. Have an awesome weekend, mate! 😎
Great to hear and thanks mate. I can’t say I’ve noticed a freely spinning dial, but I think the Rupes MK3 dial is a little nicer and perhaps more sturdy.
Thanks a million, Sandro (@@CarCraftAutoDetailing)! 👍🏼 Indeed, I may have _not_ used the best terminology but the speed dial has minimal resistance (a glancing touch can move it a half-speed or even more). 🙈 LOL
Sandro, if high torque/low-stall performance is so highly valued in a DA, why not rely on forced rotation machines? Do the RPM and/or orbit rates limit the FR’s overall performance, or is it the benefit of having a free-spinning pad? Or all of the above. Thanks
There’s a certain amount of cut from large throw DAs that FR’s can’t match due to their smaller throws. Most of the advantages with FR’s come when you’re faced with curves and crevices that many DAs will stall through, so having that extra torque can give you the best of both worlds, and if you don’t have to always hit top speed to get it, it’s also a safer and less physically taxing paint correction experience. FR’s also tend to be heavier machines that do vibrate more at the top end and don’t tend to work quite as well with microfibre pads as those machines tend to bite into the paint a bit more. I do love my Mille and I used my 3401 to death in the past so there’s also great things about them. But the more options we have, the more possibilities we have to approach paint correction with better and new perspectives that can and will advance it further.
I didn’t try in on the 620 6/21 but I have tried it on other past DAs. I personally don’t recommend it, as DA polishers all have very specific counter weights depending on their orbital throw and plate size, so what tends to happen is that the machine starts running rough and out of balance leading to more vibration and quicker machine wear, but it also makes finishing well more difficult. I know some guys like doing it and prefer that setup, but I personally wouldn’t recommend it.
Interested to see how it goes against the Osren Hurricane 2.0 being a similar spec as it is extremely well balanced, smooth,progressive trigger and has 3000 to 5800opm two years on and haven't come across a DA with the same torque.
I’ve done a review on the Flex XFE7-15. It’s a well built smooth polisher, but it really is a finishing polisher in my experience with it as it lacks rotational torque to be as effective for cutting stages.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Thanks. Shinemate are certainly impressing me as of late. Their new cordless polishers are tempting as is this one (whenever it comes to the UK). Many thanks for the reply.
Hello! Need your expert advice. Looking to buy one of the best da polishers on the market. Was going to buy the Rupes mark III but heard they have reliability issues. Would this ex620 fit the bill? Also, what sizes are best to cover all car needs....21mm or 15mm? And then go with the ex603 for the smaller/intricate areas? Finally, would you recommend the shinemate cordless versions over the corded? Looking to make all my purchases right the first time. Thanks.
I’ve owned about 10 Rupes polishers in my time and they’ve all been reliable machines as is the case with my Flex and Shine Mate polishers, but you will always find lots of examples of people saying they are not if you go looking for them. As I stated in the video I really wouldn’t recommend these 620 polishers for a beginner, as I don’t believe they are good machines to learn on, but rather machines for those who have been doing this for a while. But if you’re set on them, I would suggest the 5/15 as it’s still quite a civil machine and maybe with the Ex603 as you stated. Hope that helps.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thanks for the great video. What would you recommend as the best polisher for beginners given these are both for an experienced user?
If you have the funds and your not too concerned about cost the Rupes LHR15 MK3 is a fantastic unit for beginners to professionals alike. But if you’re looking more for value the Shine Mate Ex610 5/15 is also a fantastic unit.
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I ordered this for my first attempt at a machine polish. I thought it was a great middle of the road choice where as rupes was just out of range price wise but I thought this would get me the most value for its price point and after watching this I think it's safe to say I made the right choice
Just got mine last week and instantly remembered this video.am super stoked…🔥
Hi Sandro, Ive been lurking in the background for a couple of years now but my silence needs to be broken to say a huge thank you for sharing your knowledge & experience (not just with the 620's) with us, Ive been thinking about giving my old / original Rupes a breather as its been used on approx 50 vehicles over the recent years (I'm retired with spinal injuries but detailing is my passion, sanity & both mental & physical theropy for the best part of 15 years now since my accident & buying a comfort car that arrived loaded with holograms) Just a Huge Thank You fella, wishing you success, health & happiness, Mike S & just about to pull the trigger on the 620:5/15
I think it’s really great that in the midst of dealing with something as obviously serious and life changing as a spinal injury you’ve found therapy and metal health in detailing and I really appreciate hearing that the videos have been helpful on that journey. Thank you mate and my very best wishes to you!
Shine Mate fan!!!
The 21 version arrives in my garage
Amazing quality for the price
Well, just got mine today based solely on this review. I am NOT disappointed. Very smooth and a lot of torque. Subscribed.
Great to hear!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing sadley I am having problems with the speed dial turning by itself with very vibration. Also it just broke today. The variable speed stopped working and it just keeps increasing in speed until it turns off automatically :( such a beast of a machine.
That’s very unfortunate to hear mate, sounds like there’s an issue with the dial on yours, hope it’s sorted out!
@@Ike-yq3gf mine just started doing the same thing but it has not quit yet....I don't even know where to get parts or to make a claim....
Dude my ex620 pro polisher is going to get buried with me. And if they never came out with this new model I still think that the 610 is better than anything out there. They're smooth they're quiet and they are the most comfortable and well-balanced polishers I have ever run. I know what you mean on every facet of this review and agree with you. A very good review, my friend!
Sandro... Amazing review! Received my EX620 5:15 yesterday. So looking forward to put it to use. 🙏🏻
Hey Sandro! Thanks for the demo of the new Shine mate EX620/21. Awesome machine!
Best channel on RUclips, Great video defo worth considering if your looking to purchase a DA polisher.
Thank you for this honest review. This is exactly what I’m looking for
Most powerful DA on the planet and this coming from a Rupes fan!
Fellow South African.
Love your work buddy
Hi Zubair, If I may ask where did you source your EX620 from and is it the 15mm throw?... I noticed a few suppliers have the machine in S.a but it's only available in the 21mm. TIA
Sib.co.za
They currently out of stock and new stock to arrive in about 12 weeks
Had my shine mates for quite a while now , awesome machines for budget compared to rupes but haven’t had no problems very consistent with my correction, very good product.
Thanks for the video, I've only been detailing for 3 years now and started off with the ex610/15. It has been an awesome machine but seems to be wearing out a bit and I have been shopping around for another machine but haven't been able to make up my mind. I did look at the ex620/15 but in South Africa we don't have stock yet but I have been informed that stock will be arriving on the 19th May. After watching your video, I think I'll stick to the Shinemate brand. Thanks for helping me make my choice 😂
Hi Sandro another quality video🙂
I was in the process of buying the EX620-5/15MM polisher even though I'm a home detailing enthusiasts, unfortunately my pressure washer gave up so my savings is going towards a new one.
Once I save enough again I know buying this machine is a good choice as your opinion i trust an value when making decisions on detailing equipment and procedures to follow when detailing.
Warm Regards from South Africa 🇿🇦
Sandro,
As luck would have it, my old and trusty 8mm-throw DA has failed in the middle of a restoration job. This video did a lot to convince me that my replacement will be the 620/15. Looking forward to the leap in capability, reduction in time/energy, and a lot (lot) less stalling. Cheers mate!
I think you’ll love it mate, it’s a fantastic machine!
Excellent review. I don’t have enough experience to even attempt using this caliber of DA Polisher.
We NEED a 3 inch version of these machines!
How does the SHINE MATE EX-603 Mini perform?
It performs really well, probably the best value mini DA on the market. But that doesn’t mean I still don’t want an EX620/3” 🙂
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Definitely great value. Wonder if they will ever come up with a Nano version like Rupes? The Rupes Nano is very expensive.
My Rupes 3 inch stop working this week. So, I order the shinemate and I love it.
If I remember correctly, the very first of you that I saw was the 3" comparison, where I first heard about the Shine Mate brand. Ever since I've been addicted to your fabulous channel! I must say I do have one negative comment about the brand, as far as I know, it's not available in Europe and i havent been able to try one of them.
I do love that they have stepped up the game, and cant wait till I get to try them one day!
Just got a 6/21 in Canada. You werent kidding that this tool has power! Thanks. Youre right in that it may be excessive in power :) Its probably more powerful than my Makita rotary. However Festool takes the prize for power and smoothness in delivery.
Great review as usual. I just ordered the 21mm from Carzilla in Canada. Can't wait to get my hands on it and try it out. I agree with you about a new 3" polisher, I hope Shinemate is watching & will come up with one soon. Keep up the excellent work you do & for the effort you put in to making videos of the many products and tools available, it's very useful + helpful to me and I'm sure all of your subscribers. Thanks, Vince.
My absolute pleasure Vince, I’m really glad the videos have helped!
I just opened one today and man what a great machine. I also got a Griots G9 and it vibrates way too much for my comfort. Shine mate is a very well made beast that is also smooth and powerful.
Great to hear that!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing I watch your videos intently and you make one of the finest car detailing videos and your reviews are so objective that I bought the Shinemate after seeing your review and I was not dissapointed. Please keep up the great work!
Thanks
Sandro, I have never polished before and would like your advice as to whether you think that the Shinemate EX620 Pro 15mm is a good machine to start off with?
Likewise with the EB210?
Firstly thank you, I really appreciate the kind support!
The EX620 15mm is in my opinion still the best all round large car polisher on the market. I use it all the time in my beginner polishing classes and there’s nothing the students find intimidating about it, and within a short amount of time they are usually very comfortable with the machine. The bonus is that you can’t outgrow it as it’s as capable as anything out there. (The EX620 21mm version on the other hand, can sometimes feel a bit much for some beginners)
As far as the EB210 goes, you really can’t go wrong if it’s a macro polisher you’re after - it smooth, powerful and there’s very little intricate areas it can’t effectively correct - smaller machines do also tend to be easier to work with and control, though do tend to be far more time consuming.
My general advise it to start with a large 5” or 6” polisher, focus more on light polishing (meaning fine polishes and foam pads) and just look for a good improvement to begin with. Once you’ve practiced a bit and gotten a feel for it, then you can progress to more in-depth paint correction using more aggressive compounds/pads and more specialised smaller polishing machines.
Hope that helps mate!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing likewise thank you for your kind support by putting out such great real life content mate.
Thank you for that mate. It is what wanted to hear before I made my purchase. Some honest genuine advice.
I wish you continued and further success Sandro.
Honestly, I find myself using a 3" polisher almost *more* than full size machines. A compact with monster correction power 12mm dedicated 3" polisher is something I'm definitely always looking for. Thanks Sandro, great demo, great message. 👍👌✌
You polish a whole car with a 3"?
@@PumaM90 I didn't mean that literally, I was exaggerating a bit for effect. 😁
But I don't do alot of production style enhancement polishing where you knock out 3 cars a day. I'm usually doing multi-day full corrections and restorations, and I do quite a few motorcycles. Plus just modern cars in general tend to have more body lines and shapes and areas that aren't ideal for full size pads. Add all your precise edge work to that and you'll find yourself spending a lot of time with a 3" and 1" pads.
@@jdisdetermined Thats for sure, a lot of work on modern cars call for the smaller machines
Bought one here in south africa. Loving the machine
Great to hear!
Great review, Sandro. I love my mini Shinemate rotary polisher and I am in the market for a 15mm throw da. I think I will wait for this to come to Britain. It is great that this company is innovating and keeping the established brands on their toes. It puts me in mind of when Honda launched the original NSX and put pressure on the established sports car makers to up their game.👍
Competition is a great thing!
I have been debating on buying a new 12mm or 8mm polisher and even a new 15mm polisher and haven't made my mind up. But Max Shine and Shine Mate have been on my list of potential buys. I think I will be giving Shine Mate and Max Shine a try instead of going with my regular options.
Sandro, thanks for posting this review. I've been in the market for a new polisher and wasn't happy with the stall potential of the usual suspects in the market. I went with an EX620 5/15 which just arrived today. I'm US-based, so finding a distributor wasn't easy, but it was possible and the shipment just arrived. Looking forward to getting hands-on with it. Cheers.
Curious how you like the new Polisher? is there much of any stall or more power than what you need?
@@404notfound..... I agree with Sandro on all accounts. It's possible to stall the pad in the right conditions, but it's much less susceptible than other machines. The effectiveness of the speed adjustment is what caught me by surprise. You can feel the machine adjust power as your pressure against the panel varies, which keeps the pad moving at a consistent speed. In terms of too much power, the speed dial, pad choice, and product aggressiveness are your friends. The lower speeds are actually usable and will help control paint removal.
I'm also US-based, and looking to buy one, where did you get it?
i really like my 620/15mm its everything You said it is, i keep it under speed 5 and it does the trick with less vibration then higher. [compound], im old school and use rotary when needed, but that power ratio on that DA is something else! well balance, not too noisy, and Great Bang for the Money~!!!! im in Canada :-)
That’s great to hear and I appreciate you sharing your experience with it!
Hi Dan, I just ordered the same 620 15 mm. Any problems with the speed dial turning itself backwards or any problems at all ? Thanks..
Hello guys , is this machine still working?
I was gifted a 610 polisher by a very well known RUclips detailer and love it. It's my very first polisher and very easy and comfortable to use.
Great to hear, they are great machines
These machines are beasts!!
Been using both for about 2 months and absolutely love them
I wish shinemate would make different front grip handles available and 3" as well in this line
Their cordless 3" and other models rather impressive as they barely stall as well
Thanks for sharing your experience with them!
Thanks for the video. They look like great polishers. A powerful 3 inch would be nice. It is one of the reasons I sold my Rupes 3 inch. I will have to watch your video on the cordless Shine Mate polishers again. Looking to invest in some nice cordless polishers.
Thanks mate and it all depends on what’s most important to you!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing agreed. Cordless just sounds like a nice option. The corded tools won't go anywhere.
Sandro - would be interesting to see a video on panel prep to remove polishing oils before applying coatings. I see you use a range of polishes (some oily like Scholl, others less so) and interested to see if your approach to wipedown is the same regardless. Potentially a shootout between panel wipes for use with the more oily compounds would be very useful! :)
Great review as always Sandro!
Always appreciate the videos you produce. Personally I love paint correction and you’re helping me in the visual side of my learning. We use griots garage polishers which are great for a weekend guy but I think shinemate is the next step to try
I’m going to get two polishers, a big one and a small one, I’m thinking 620 5/15 and the 603.
Thank would be my choice as well 🙂
Sounds good, sadly I could not find it in The UK! Literally nowhere to be found! Shinemate are very bad at getting back to customer enquiries in my experience! Good review though. Top work as always Sandro!
I currently have 2 shine mate DA’s and have no problem with them. I debated getting a rupes but could not justify the cost for a diy’er who only does my personal cars and a few others. Maybe I’ll pass those down to my son who is starting a detailing business and pick up one of the new ones myself.
Very tempting if they do this in the 3" format - but the new cordless...........have to go and watch that one again :)
Bring on the 3”! Absolutely love the 603.
Great video as always. I was considering getting the Shine Mate Cordless polisher. Good to know that they are a solid brand and big brand. The Flex cordless seems little pricey and some of the other cordless tool I feel aren't really for serious detailing.
Well done review
Gonn be on thr order list. Thanks for another great review
I lobbied 30 power tool companies for dual and adjustable orbit in 2012 but they didnt listen. Thanks for your videos, you do it very well. Ive said it for ten years, DA machines need torque like crazy, i hated the rupes mk 1 as the dyna shit all over it.
Great video
The most powerful free spinning DA i ever had was my dynabrade 61385 teamed with a flex stone grinder from 2012. 19mm orbit, 1500 watts, 0-7600 rpm, tonnes of torque, zero bogdown free spinning and locked mode (like rotary with 19mm orbit combined) machine. With the flex its very balanced but i know its day has come and gone. I do want to see more companies take it up to rupes and flex who dominate the industry.
Thanks, Sandro. I have both the 15mm & 21mm of the EX620 series. I do not find the 15mm to have all that much torque, unless you're on at least speed 4. OPM vs. OPM, my Maxshine 15mm Series II has more power than the Shinemate Ex620 15mm. The 21mm is the opposite, very powerful and you don't need to crank up the speed. I love it!
Hola al dia de hoy es recomendable esta pulidora ??? Es profesional o para uso esporadico?? Gracias
Looking good!
Amazing review
Hey Sandro, I've always ever used rotary with pad dependant compound/polish like Farecla and 3D... I'm sold on this machine.
There’s a learning curve when moving from a rotary to a DA, but if you take the time to understand how they differ and how to effectively use a DA, there’s so many benefits to be had!
Do you find yourself using less rotary now Sandro ?
Yes definitely, but I still use rotaries on most jobs, it’s just not my main tool anymore.
Shinemate need to setup here in New Zealand.
I can't get their whole product range here and my only access is through Australia. Not a lot of suppliers will deliver to NZ, and I feel a bit uneasy about sending by airmail.
I'm about to add a 21 to my collection and would love a cordless. Guess I'll have to stick to Rupes.
Nothing wrong with Rupes, they make fantastic polishers!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing oh I totally agree. I've been following you for awhile now and always wanted a cordless from shine mate. Flex is a bit pricey for me at this stage....
Maybe sometime in the future
I've had my eye on this polisher for a while, this is the best updated review I have seen. How much less vibration with the 15 mm over the 21 mm ?
They're both very smooth. I never had a rupes and borrowed a 15mm to do a showdown between 3 15mm machines and my opinion is
Power sector is shinemate ,griots g15 ,rupes
Smoothness sector shinemate ,rupes, griots
Ergonomics
Griots, rupes ,shinemate
Shinemate needs to offer different grips for the user preference
I love the grip and height on griots and still use that a lot even though is has a little more vibration
The 21mm will have notability more vibration than the 15mm which does tend to feel much smoother
Also Sandro is the cord was in a upper position so when you over hang it over your shoulder it stays out of the way when using it, but then again the amount of different pads and sizes you have you could correct any painted surface and even like the back Camaro ZL1 you did all its sharp lines and plastic rear tail lights and other areas, your the best at paint correction IMHO on u tube and in Australia full stop, your work simply outshines all the rest and your the best?
So i pull the trigger and bought one, i have to say this machine have unlimited power, very well made and pleasant to work with. But there are two things i don't like, first is "soft start" function when it isn't really that smooth as other machines i have/had. Second on is already mentioned (in comments)- the speed switch, it just spin too easy, it happened to me many times when I found speed on different settings withnout me knowing about touching it. Shame that shinemate did not spend just little more time on the speed switch.
Yes I agree, the dial should be a bit more firm and hopefully they improve that!
Sandro, there is a shine mate ex620 21mm with a 5-inch chainring and obviously a smaller counterweight for said chainring. which has more power the 21mm ex620 with a 6 backing plate or the 21mm ex620 with a 5 baking plate? Thank you regards Claudio.
I haven't tried the 620 21/5 but I would expect the the smaller 5" backing plate to have a little increased torque over the 6"
Yey nice review 👏 😊
This make it even harder to choose😅 i’m so doubting between this 15mm or the cordless one
The 351 is probably the best around cordless on the market, it won’t disappoint. However 🙂 … the 620 is such an amazing machine, more torque, less stall and smoother than just about any machine. It really has to come down to whether the cord is a deal breaker or not - and that has to be a personal choice.
Not sure if you can get the Griot’s g8 mini 3 inch polisher but I have heard good things about that. I believe it has a 700w motor with a 8mm throw.
No we don’t tend to get Griots here
I am in the process of returning a optimum DA21EM3 as i was told it was a zentool(like 21e2) but it is in fact not built by zen at all.
Have you by chance used the zen 21e2 to offer a comparison?
I have used that one and absolutely love it hut finding it hard to get a hold of one living in canada
No, unfortunately I don’t believe I’ve tried Zen 21e2 so I can’t say.
I have one question please, do you apply pressure while compounding? If yes how much?
Yes, but it’s different amounts of pressure depending on the machine, pad, section and so on. The best way to judge the amount on DA polishers is to look for just the slightest amount of rotational slow and even listen for just the slightest motor stress. After a bit of experience it’s something you won’t even think about and just apply subconsciously.
I heard ppl kept complaining about underpowered machines. Now there is an overpowered machine and the new complain will be too much power.
Let’s see lol
Hi.I am a beginner but I have polished a few cars. Customers were very satisfied. I want to buy a 15mm orbit machine, but I don't know which EB351-5 / 15 CORDLESS or EX620 5/15.I learn from the best and I hope Sandro you will give me good advice, as always.Best Regards😀
I think I will buy cordless because I searched the internet and nowhere in the UK I will not buy ex620, maybe in half a year or a year it will be available. Very small distribution of Shinemate is in the UK. There is only one online store where I can buy cordless 15.
have you tried the Osren Hurricane 2.0? Apparently they are even better then the Shinemate.
No I haven’t tried it
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing what about the ex620 21mm with the HD 5" backing plate? better option then the factory 15mm setup?
@petegangies some people like that setup, but I actually prefer the 15mm with the 5” plate, it’s got more than enough torque and runs a little smoother with a bit more precision with the smaller throw.
Hi Sandro! Thank you for all the great work and effort you put in your channel.
I'm building my correction setup, pads of choice to start are Rupes Yellow and Lake Country MF. Already have a EX-603 and currently looking for a 15mm DA.
Is the 610 better suited for beginners than the 620? Because the local stores only carry the 620 at the moment and I'm a bit reluctant if the 620 can be too much. Or the main problem could be the 620 not giving the proper learning curve.
Thanks again,
JC
Yes I would tend to say the 610s are better to start and lean with compared to the 620s, but the EX605 is also a great first machine to learn on and also one to hang onto as it still cuts quite well and finishes beautifully on those more difficult softer paints. The Flex XFE7 is another good polishers to start with (as long as you don’t use it with the 6” plate- just stick to the 5”) and the Rupes LHR15 MK3 is a very good all rounder but it does come at a price.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Thanks, appreciate it. Rupes is a bit out of budget right now, I'll try to ask my local shop if they can get me a 610, sounds a better option.
BTW, have you noticed how many thank you's people type in the comments? :D cheers!
hi Sandro, im getting hyped about this machine as i cant really afford rupes. You are using this machine for some time, so i was wondering if you still love the machine or you find her weak points.
thanks as always for great content :) and hope you doing well
It’s not perfect - no machine is! It can be a little noisy and vibrate a bit more than a Rupes, but the extra power and torque makes up for it and I still love it!
Sandro , existe una shine mate ex620 21mm con plato de 5 pulgadas y obviamente contrapeso mas chico para dicho plato. cual tiene mas potencia la 21mm ex620 con backing plate de 6 o la 21mm ex620 con baking plate de 5? gracias saludos Claudio.
In comparison to the new cordless version ? These blow them out the water ?
They are definitely more powerful than the cordless versions, but the cordless ones certainly aren’t underpowered
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing ok. Thanks
Great video once again, as a newbie to polishing, would you say this would be a bit too powerful for me starting out ?
Thanks and yes, I don’t think they are the best starting point for a beginner but as I second or third machine to progress to they can be great.
I don't mind using a DA, and the DA is easy to use, but Rotary just seems to work so much faster and efficiently at the cost of a much higher skill ceiling .
Reckon I would need both a 15mm polisher like the EX620 and also something like the Shine Mate EX603 Mini in order to get into most/all parts of the panels?
A larger 5” or 6” polisher together with a smaller 3” is generally a great combination on polishers to address most areas in an efficient and effective manner.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thanks!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing would the 15mm ex620 be suitable for a beginner? I have read that you said the 21mm is much too powerful for someone starting off.
Yes I definitely wouldn’t recommend the 620 6/21mm for a beginner. The 620 5/15mm is more of a borderline polisher, so you can be okay with it as a beginner, just take it easy with speed and pressure to start with and grow into it slowly.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thanks so much. I think the Rupes Nano is really the only option at the moment for getting into really tight areas? I'll definitely be keen for your detailing courses when they come back.
Hey Sandro fantastic review mate 👌.
I have the Rupes mk2 and a couple of the 610's. Generally i use speed 4 for cutting & 2.5 - 3 for refining, in your opinion what speed are you finding works well on the 620 15mm as they have more power and torque?
Cheers
Thanks mate, and both machine are different so I typically find I’m using the 620-21 at lower speeds than the 15.
We all work a little differently and each DA is additionally different but I would say I’m cutting from speeds 2-5 and finishing from 1.5 -4.5 just depending.
With the extra torque there’s just a larger range of speed and pressure available to work with and I’m still exploring all of that
Hi sandro, nub question..
Can you do a final pooishing stage by using 5 inch polishing pad and 15 orbital DA machine with low speed?
You can certainly try that, but I would be in the mind set of doing a test section to see if there’s a benefit, no difference or even a degraded finish in the results. So in other words you have to visually confirm what this final polishing stage is doing to the specific paints appearance as not all paints respond the same.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Ok Sandro, noted and thank you for the reply.
As long as it can do the job that’s all that matters .
So would the 15mm be the best da for the price range ill be using it everyday for a dealership itl mainly be for the 2nd and 3rd step because I use my flex rotary for cutting?
I think it’s currently the best overall large corded DA regardless of price
@CarCraftAutoDetailing sweet thank you should I change the grease out whith better stuff?
@dillon599 you can if you wish, I personally haven’t had issue with how it comes
We badly need a US distributor for ShineMate!!
What compound were you using on the blue HDO pad around the 14:30 mark? Got some serious correction there.
Great video Sandro!
Thanks mate, and I believe it was Scholl S2 Black by memory
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing
Much appreciated!
Great review! Is this machine like the Maxshine Pro? I thought they were the same but the pricing is substantially different.
No they are different machines and brands
When you have decided to use a 5" long throw DA polisher for a paint correction, which would you grab first and why; the corded EX620 PRO 15mm or EB351-5/15 5" cordless polisher? Has it been your experience that the EX620 corrects significantly better/faster than the EB351 to justify choosing the heavier less maneuverable corded machine?
The 620s definitely have more torque and I’d say they are the smoothest and most powerful DAs on the market, so there are times when that will be my priority based of needing maximum cutting ability.
But I almost feel like they may be my last corded machines as the cordless Shine Mate are just so good and great for most jobs and there’s no denying that cordless is the future and my guess is that the next updated machines and batteries will be amazing. I’m also keen to see Rupes enter that space and Flex do better with the cordless technology.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Does the SM EX620 PRO 5/15 have the same, less, or equal cutting ability of the Flex 3401?
It’s different and hard to directly compare a forced rotation to a free spinning DA in those terms. Generally larger throw DAs will have better cut on flat sections while gear driven DAs will tend to cut better in curves and crevices.
Do you feel little more vibration ih hands then in rupes ?
Yes, that’s maybe fair to say
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing i think because of big power...nothing strange...machine is the beast
How would it compare to the flex gear driven xce?
Maestro: Nice video, thanks.
Detailing my cars its a hobbie for me and I really do it well (not even close to your level of course) but I learn a lot watching your videos.
I have been saving money to buy my first polisher and I will highly appreciate your advise about what polisher you will recommend me to buy. Please take in consideration that I will buy only one polisher; what size its better? 3,5or6 inches?; Rotary or DA? what brand?... If you can give me some choices...some thing rational for my needs.
In advanced thank you very much. Greetings from Monterrey, México.
I would tend to recommend a 5” 15mm DA polisher as an only one machine set up for someone starting out, and something like the Shine Mate 610-15/5 could be a great affordable and performing machine.
amazing video and machines! can the ex620 5/15 be used with 5" pads ?
Thanks and yes, 5” pads are what it’s setup for.
Just for reference Shine Mate’s 7” foam pads are for 6” backing plates and their 6” pads are for 5” backing plates, I know it’s confusing but the brand measures the larger tapered end of the pad, rather than the Velcro end of the pad to stipulate the pad’s size. With most other pad brands you’ll be looking at either 5” or 5.5” pads to fit this machine.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing sick! i've got a new 620 and a 210 on the way !! you're the man !
Hello, I'm looking to buy my first DA polisher, which do you recommend? Griots is unfortunately not available in my country.
1. MaxShine M8S Mk1 ($120)
2. MaxShine M15 Pro II ($225)
3. ShineMate EX610/15 ($210)
4. ShineMate EX620/15 ($275)
5. Rupes LHR15 ES Mk1 ($355)
6. Other brands/models?
Also, for smaller/tighter surface areas, should I buy one of those micro/mini polishers like the SPTA ones or just get a 3" polisher like the ShineMate EX603?
The EX620/15 would be my recommendation as well as the EX603
Thanks for the review! I want to get one of these but dont like using 6inch pads, should I get the 15 or can the 21 accept a 5 inch backing plate without upsetting the machine?
I expect 6” plate on the 15mm will run rougher - haven’t tried it - but being that the 620/15 is very torquey, powerful and smooth I think 99% of users will be quite happy with the standard setup.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing So its safe to assume the 15 will also be more torquey than the Rupes 15 Mk3?
Yes
what would be a great starter DA polisher?
There’s a few such as the Shine Mate Ex610/15 or Ex605 and if you have the funds the Rupes LHR15 is a great machine
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thank you.
Would you recommend shinemate? How is they compared to Rupes? Looking for a 75mm polisher. Should I choose the ex603?
ruclips.net/video/kvZmXMPaUKg/видео.html
Do you recommend the 620 15 or 21, ignoring beginner and pro detailer comparisons, which would it be and why?
It’s really going to become a preference just like choosing a Rupes LHR15 or LHR21. The 15 is going to be a little smoother and have a better balance of cut vs finish, while the 21 is going to be a more capable and faster cutting machine but at the expense of perhaps not finishing quite as well especially on softer paints and have a touch more vibration. So it’s going to come down to what’s most important to you and maybe also what other polishers you have and which one would best complement or fill gaps in your current setup 😀
Hey Sandro the best video as I bought the new 21mm pro and was wondering did I do the right thing as I have the 3" and 12mm and now the 21mm for harder paints. Whats your preferred the 15 or 21 and can the 21 do most jobs on a full car if polish and pad choice is chosen correct?
Throughout the years I’ve gone from purely using rotary to 21mm DAs to 15mm DAs to gear driven and back again! It’s really all about the machine at the time that gets my attention and tends to change what I use.
At the moment the both these two 620 machines have my attention and I’m not sure which one I prefer, as the 21 is just a beast that can level down severe defects on hard paint like nothing else, while the 15 is so much more civil yet still packs a punch. I guess time will tell!
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thanks bro
You'll probably hear of alot of cars driving around without clear coat it's just me testing my new 21mm lol
I hope not lol
Not for beginners? I was hoping to get the 15mm, now I am not sure.
I’ve had quite a few students gravitate and really like the ex620/15mm as first time users, the 21mm on the other hand can take more time to feel comfortable with.
Need advice, ex 605 Ex610 or ex620 for personal use?
Maybe the video below will additionally help, but these different DA polishers exist to serve slight different needs as well as appeal to users with slightly different skill sets wants and needs with paint correction so it’s not a matter of one being better than the other - so I can’t answer that question.
ruclips.net/video/m6tbu3GrTWI/видео.html
Another _stupendous_ review, Sandro!! 🍻
I absolutely love my EX620 5/15 ... a real god-send for my fussy paint. 🙏🏼
The only thing I can possibly gripe is the speed dial spins VERY freely (more than any other machine I’ve used). Is yours like that, too? Perhaps, it’s a ShineMate feature.
Have an awesome weekend, mate! 😎
Great to hear and thanks mate. I can’t say I’ve noticed a freely spinning dial, but I think the Rupes MK3 dial is a little nicer and perhaps more sturdy.
Thanks a million, Sandro (@@CarCraftAutoDetailing)! 👍🏼
Indeed, I may have _not_ used the best terminology but the speed dial has minimal resistance (a glancing touch can move it a half-speed or even more). 🙈 LOL
Super
Sandro, if high torque/low-stall performance is so highly valued in a DA, why not rely on forced rotation machines? Do the RPM and/or orbit rates limit the FR’s overall performance, or is it the benefit of having a free-spinning pad? Or all of the above. Thanks
There’s a certain amount of cut from large throw DAs that FR’s can’t match due to their smaller throws. Most of the advantages with FR’s come when you’re faced with curves and crevices that many DAs will stall through, so having that extra torque can give you the best of both worlds, and if you don’t have to always hit top speed to get it, it’s also a safer and less physically taxing paint correction experience.
FR’s also tend to be heavier machines that do vibrate more at the top end and don’t tend to work quite as well with microfibre pads as those machines tend to bite into the paint a bit more.
I do love my Mille and I used my 3401 to death in the past so there’s also great things about them.
But the more options we have, the more possibilities we have to approach paint correction with better and new perspectives that can and will advance it further.
Thanks for the detailed reply Sandro. I appreciate it.
Hey Sandro last question with the 21mm is it best left with the 6" backing plate or is it better to switch it to 5" did you try changing them?
I didn’t try in on the 620 6/21 but I have tried it on other past DAs. I personally don’t recommend it, as DA polishers all have very specific counter weights depending on their orbital throw and plate size, so what tends to happen is that the machine starts running rough and out of balance leading to more vibration and quicker machine wear, but it also makes finishing well more difficult. I know some guys like doing it and prefer that setup, but I personally wouldn’t recommend it.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing I will leave it alone thanks bro
Interested to see how it goes against the Osren Hurricane 2.0 being a similar spec
as it is extremely well balanced, smooth,progressive trigger and has 3000 to 5800opm two years on and haven't come across a DA with the same torque.
Hey sandro! Just wondering if you have used or heard of the sensei plus DA from apex. Would it be equivalent to this Or not as good ?
Sorry mate but I really haven’t heard of it.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing maybe have a look man ! Australian company I think possibly. Love your work man !
How does this compare to the equivalent FLEX please?
I’ve done a review on the Flex XFE7-15. It’s a well built smooth polisher, but it really is a finishing polisher in my experience with it as it lacks rotational torque to be as effective for cutting stages.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing Thanks. Shinemate are certainly impressing me as of late. Their new cordless polishers are tempting as is this one (whenever it comes to the UK). Many thanks for the reply.
how do you compare it against "Rupes", similar, better, worse?
Hello! Need your expert advice. Looking to buy one of the best da polishers on the market. Was going to buy the Rupes mark III but heard they have reliability issues. Would this ex620 fit the bill? Also, what sizes are best to cover all car needs....21mm or 15mm? And then go with the ex603 for the smaller/intricate areas? Finally, would you recommend the shinemate cordless versions over the corded? Looking to make all my purchases right the first time. Thanks.
I’ve owned about 10 Rupes polishers in my time and they’ve all been reliable machines as is the case with my Flex and Shine Mate polishers, but you will always find lots of examples of people saying they are not if you go looking for them.
As I stated in the video I really wouldn’t recommend these 620 polishers for a beginner, as I don’t believe they are good machines to learn on, but rather machines for those who have been doing this for a while. But if you’re set on them, I would suggest the 5/15 as it’s still quite a civil machine and maybe with the Ex603 as you stated.
Hope that helps.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing much appreciated and thank you for your insight on Rupes. I may stick with them since they have many distributors in the 🇺🇸.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thanks for the great video. What would you recommend as the best polisher for beginners given these are both for an experienced user?
If you have the funds and your not too concerned about cost the Rupes LHR15 MK3 is a fantastic unit for beginners to professionals alike. But if you’re looking more for value the Shine Mate Ex610 5/15 is also a fantastic unit.
@@CarCraftAutoDetailing thanks for the response mate!