Hey Josh, I feel like you need to put a disclaimer in here for folks watching you use the C6 APP polish. The reason to go with the shorter throw is because the longer throw generates enough heat to set the SiO2 in the APP polish, which will actually work against the coating. Especially if you're going to be doing coating tests, you don't want the app to have interfered with its ability to stand up over time.
Sort of off topic but I use the Vevor Dual Action Josh reviewed earlier this year off Amazon for I think $65 shipped and I think it’s great. I am not a professional and can’t speak on longevity.
Thanks for trying C6 Ceramics Adhesion Promoter Polish (APP). As noted using more than a 9mm machine will reduce both the effectiveness of the C6 Ceramics Adhesion Promoter Polish (APP), and the durability of the coating.
Love the comparison 👍 Although not marketed as a budget DA, I'd love to see how the DIY Detail dual action polisher compares since it's not far off in price but is supposed to be very high quality and lots of cut.
$200+ and add in shipping of $15+ is a budget polisher. If you are a pro then you already already know what to use, and if you are a homeowner, just buy the Bauer long throw for $80 or the Hercules forced rotation for $119 from Harbor Freight.
This! I recently decided it was time to learn how to do this kind of work for myself, but wanted to try it on a budget to see if I was comfortable with the process. I have watched Josh for about a year now (as well as other RUclips detailers), paying close attention to products used and techniques, and I finally had a vehicle (crappy little Nissan Versa 5 speed I bought for my son) that is a great canvas to start experimenting with detailing, paint correction and touch up, etc. I went the Harbor Freight route and got the Hercules, as well as a bunch of Meguiars products. Honestly, there isn't much of a learning curve, so long as you follow the rules. Wash well, remove any additional tar/bugs, clay bar, cut, polish, seal or wax ( I prefer wax... it's cheap, quick, and looks great). After doing three of my cars over as many weekends, I really enjoy the detailing process. It's like therapy... get a beer or a glass of whiskey and enjoy the results. The one comment I would make about the Hercules that I just don't see mentioned often is that mine gets pretty hot, and it will retain that heat long after I have let it rest. Of course, it's 120 degrees in my garage in Phoenix, but that polisher get's really hot.
I guess this is the entry level for if you run a car detailing business. Then, 200 bucks, sure, cheap as chips. For me (the average joe) doing my own car a few times a year, i'm totally with you, 200+ is not a "budget option".
Thanks for this. I saw the title and thought/hoped these were alternatives to the Bauers I was looking at last week. I'm also hoping to find a small, compact style for headlights and small areas as well.
For me liquid elements T4000 V2 15mm and the best quality price performance!. Very quiet, not much vibration, excellent power and good quality of materials / manufacturing and in an excellent design
Would be great if you take a look at the shinemate line. Eddie Colon and Jamie the cleaner love them as you mentioned in the video. Great review nonetheless!
Good comparison! The vibration from the Maxshine was really apparent during the sound test. The LE machines are a great option for beginners or for cost-conscious pros, I'm looking forward to the V2 version and the cordless machines that they are working on. Matt from OG gets a bad rap for only liking expensive things, but I think his appreciation of the LE polishers is proof that isn't always the case. Nothing against Eddie, but I think he might've been a little biased and was kind of comparing apples and oranges with regard to stalling. The ShineMate is designed to automatically increase machine speed to reduce/prevent pad stall, whereas the LE is designed like every other free spinning DA on the market which requires you to manually adjust the speed or optimize your technique to maintain rotation. Both are great machines, so take your pick and just understand your tool and how to use it safely/effectively.
Og gets a bad rap because of his ego and him thinking that because he has the money to buy something it makes him an “expert” when in reality he could be considered a serious diy’er. He bends the truth about his health condition and basically lies about it in order to fool people like you and his viewers into thinking it is why he is able to “obsess” over products and provide information that others aren’t able to. Don’t get me wrong, he’s done an amazing job at getting you to give him money but anybody who is able to take their face out of his rear end and look at the things he has said vs what he is actually able to do could see some of his bs. Just take a look at his early videos and things like his technique or products/processes he uses and you could see the guy barely knows what he’s doing. On top of that he claims that he is an original and never follows what other do while forgetting how he mimicked esoterics paint correction process and tried to pass it off as if he had been doing the same thing already or that he had already been using the exact same products like jescar and perfect finish while his videos prior to attending their training shows otherwise. Overall, the guy is a clown. He’s in no position to think he can tell others something is trash or garbage while never even trying it. He is terrible for the detailing industry and has people who are just starting out thinking that they need to spend thousands of dollars on his recommendations or otherwise they look “janky”. I am guessing it’s part of the reason why none of the true industry leaders associate with him unless they stand to profit in some manner. Lastly, anyone who needs to tell everyone how much of an “expert” they are is truly not an expert.
Maxshine has made a name for itself with quality and good after service and fantastic accessories pads backing plate etc. LE has made their polisher very attractive in the appearance whether it's just looks or actually something quality only time and constant use can tell. Even though both are okay in the price department I will stick with my maxshine both the m15 and m21 has been going strong for over 5 years now.
@@shinemaster I dont comment on something i dont know. 4 years ago I bought the LE T4000 mk1 as I stayed in Germany for 2 years. Used it on my own vehicles and brought it back with me, after 3 years it stopped working. 3 years of using it maybe every 4 or 5 months. I've had my maxshine for a while now used it on all 5 of my cars and close family, its still going.
Josh, when it comes to vibration in the machines, which one(s) if any do not leave your hand with a tingling sensation after using them? Which one(s) do leave your hands tingling? The long term effects of vibration our hands are subjected to result in arthritis in the joints. That's the reason for the question. Thanks! EDIT: From an engineering standpoint, the plastic screws on the head of the Max Shine are probably in the unlikely case that a screw falls out due to vibration and damages the finish of a vehicle.
Thanks but no thanks, I’m going to stay with my 1980s Craftsman for my once a year hood polishing. I still have some of the original buffing pads. I’m good to go, but I still like watching Professional Detailers do their thing.
The machine can definitely work smoother & have less vibration & less bogging less heat with red grease specially the wolfs head grease. I've also seen longer machine life from using red grease. It's kinda wierd that's 1 of the first things I check on a new machine is the color of the grease 😜
How do these two compare to the Griots G9… I just bought it last night and you uploaded this 😭😭😭 and also, when can you begin your polishing classes!? Could we local comes by real quick for some tips 😭🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@@imjoshv Hello Josh. The progressive trigger will come with the T4000 V2, which will also have a detachable cord. The machine is already inbound to OGHQ. Thanks for the really fair review of the T4000 V1. Good job as always. BTW, the cone in the pad is there to reduce heat in the center point of the pad. If you have any questions just reach out to me personally.
Haven't trued maxshine, but every review I've seen indicates it stalls. I own the shinemate, and it stalls less than the rest and is just very powerful. Plenty smooth too if you use a pad that balances well. It likes light pads in my experience.
Hallo danke für dein Video,die Maschine ist echt top arbeite damit schon seit Jahren,meine Frage ist,Rupes Mark 3 oder LE t4000 v2 was sagen sie dazu 😎
I have found the key to making these somewhat cheaper polishers at least "feel" more high end is to remove all the cheap Chinese factory grease and replace it with actual good quality synthetic grease.
I think it’s funny how people can get upset over small things. Like, for me, rotary polishing is the only logical solution. For others, it’s not. But seeing how I’m the one performing the service … isn’t my preference the only thing that matters? DA’s stall … all of them. That shouldn’t be a factor in purchasing one. If you like DA’s, invest in one and later on you can modify it to your liking; grease, handles, lights, what ever. 😊😊😊
Some stall far more than others, which is big deal to some users. I use a da frequently, but if I was forced to use one that stalled easily i wouldn't.
@@joeschmoe6908I have used dozens of different DA’s and they all stall about the same … comparing same throws, of course. It’s NOT a DA problem, it’s a skill issue. Knowing how to utilize a DA’s purpose is key in a successful polish. It’s why I prefer rotary, there’s no guess work or variations … it performs exactly the same every time no matter what. Further, how DA’s are designed, they’re inherently flawed. Yes, even the mighty Rupes. Basically, they’re semi-controlled chaos … rotaries are smooth. Even a cheap $40 rotary is less destructive than the best DA. I have only used a few forced rotation polishers and while I find them better than DA’s, I can’t justify that opinion without really testing them more over time. The point is, skill will always trump tool. If a DA is stalling frequently, it’s the operator causing it. Why? Because it’s in the DA design to stall. 😊😊😊
The hercules comes in a rotary or a forced rotation DA. This is a standard style free spinning da machine. So they are different. This would compare more to the bauer long throw polisher. The liquid elements is a nicer machine in my opinion, but the bauer is much less money!
So it’s pretty clear that if you already own the maxshine, there is absolutely no reason to get that liquid elements.. that’s how I interpreted this video atleast
I know they have some specials going for November so I don’t think it can be combined… I just tried it with no other combined and it still didn’t work so I just sent them an email to see what’s going on. Thanks for letting me know
I pick up maxshines any day over a rupes. I absolutely cannot stand rupes. Free spinning maxshine and more comfortable design and more power to the paint all day
I’d say overall it’s just a red flag for me that LE decided to associate themselves with someone like Obsessed Garbage considering his lies about having OCD (Vasovagal Syncope is not OCD) or how he profits hundreds of thousands of dollars by running an illegal lottery. Btw, for those who think I am wrong I dare yall to prove me wrong. Go watch the video he has with his therapist. She never mentions ocd while he is the only one. Also, go read the actual rules to his illegal lottery and what the us laws are for them and who is able to run a lottery. Obsessed garbages excuse is that because he has a free method of entry everything is ok but he overlooks the fact that it is illegal for orivate businesses to run a lottery. I bet a majority of those who entered probably don’t even know what the rules say as most would likely have questioned why it says “making a purchase will not increase your chances of winning” while that’s exactly what is happening. Makes sense why Matt blocks everyone who brings it up or questions him about it. Lastly. Matt, if you’re reading this I have a guess as to why you stated this recent lottery might be the last one? I am assuming you saw Mr. Beast get in trouble for running a lottery too? You might want to ask your lawyer for your money back. Ignorance is not an excuse and that coming straight from the ftc. Btw, how come you never responded back to me? You challenge me and then when I accept it’s 🦗’s from you? Shouldn’t write checks that your @ss can’t cash.
Hey Josh, I feel like you need to put a disclaimer in here for folks watching you use the C6 APP polish. The reason to go with the shorter throw is because the longer throw generates enough heat to set the SiO2 in the APP polish, which will actually work against the coating. Especially if you're going to be doing coating tests, you don't want the app to have interfered with its ability to stand up over time.
Sort of off topic but I use the Vevor Dual Action Josh reviewed earlier this year off Amazon for I think $65 shipped and I think it’s great. I am not a professional and can’t speak on longevity.
Thanks for trying C6 Ceramics Adhesion Promoter Polish (APP). As noted using more than a 9mm machine will reduce both the effectiveness of the C6 Ceramics Adhesion Promoter Polish (APP), and the durability of the coating.
Is that due to the smaller throw being more effective at swelling the paint to open the pores?
Love the comparison 👍 Although not marketed as a budget DA, I'd love to see how the DIY Detail dual action polisher compares since it's not far off in price but is supposed to be very high quality and lots of cut.
$200+ and add in shipping of $15+ is a budget polisher. If you are a pro then you already already know what to use, and if you are a homeowner, just buy the Bauer long throw for $80 or the Hercules forced rotation for $119 from Harbor Freight.
This! I recently decided it was time to learn how to do this kind of work for myself, but wanted to try it on a budget to see if I was comfortable with the process. I have watched Josh for about a year now (as well as other RUclips detailers), paying close attention to products used and techniques, and I finally had a vehicle (crappy little Nissan Versa 5 speed I bought for my son) that is a great canvas to start experimenting with detailing, paint correction and touch up, etc. I went the Harbor Freight route and got the Hercules, as well as a bunch of Meguiars products. Honestly, there isn't much of a learning curve, so long as you follow the rules. Wash well, remove any additional tar/bugs, clay bar, cut, polish, seal or wax ( I prefer wax... it's cheap, quick, and looks great). After doing three of my cars over as many weekends, I really enjoy the detailing process. It's like therapy... get a beer or a glass of whiskey and enjoy the results. The one comment I would make about the Hercules that I just don't see mentioned often is that mine gets pretty hot, and it will retain that heat long after I have let it rest. Of course, it's 120 degrees in my garage in Phoenix, but that polisher get's really hot.
I guess this is the entry level for if you run a car detailing business. Then, 200 bucks, sure, cheap as chips.
For me (the average joe) doing my own car a few times a year, i'm totally with you, 200+ is not a "budget option".
I really wish Bauer wouild release a cordless version of their long throw.
Thanks for this. I saw the title and thought/hoped these were alternatives to the Bauers I was looking at last week. I'm also hoping to find a small, compact style for headlights and small areas as well.
Think you meant to say "isn't" and I agree.
For a few extra bucks I'll go with the shinemate ex620. If I actually want a budget option I can do (and have done) a lot better than $200.
For me liquid elements T4000 V2 15mm and the best quality price performance!. Very quiet, not much vibration, excellent power and good quality of materials / manufacturing and in an excellent design
Glad to hear that you like our machine. It will serve you a long time, I can promise you that. Enjoy further polishing with our products.
Thanks, but for the moment I really like the Meguiar's M110 & M210 or M205 combos!,😉 maybe I'll try it one day!
Depending on usage I would always recommend the tried and true Porter cable. For $120 you cant go wrong
Great video Josh still doing by hand health is bad so can not afford much but either way you are the best
First thought is that liquid elements polisher looks sharp!
Its beautiful!
Great video to compare entry level polishers. Glad u see u testing out DIY/C6!!
Yea i really like the APP product!
Great in-depth comparison, thanks Josh 👍😁
Nice Video Josh, Could you please do review on Liquid Element Mini Polisher 🙌👍
@@BLACKWING008 obsessed garbage said it sucks
Your videos are a true source of inspiration and wisdom. Thank you for your creativity and dedication!♀️🌄🤪
Thanks Josh. Great comparison.
Would be great if you take a look at the shinemate line. Eddie Colon and Jamie the cleaner love them as you mentioned in the video. Great review nonetheless!
Josh, great video as always
Good comparison! The vibration from the Maxshine was really apparent during the sound test. The LE machines are a great option for beginners or for cost-conscious pros, I'm looking forward to the V2 version and the cordless machines that they are working on. Matt from OG gets a bad rap for only liking expensive things, but I think his appreciation of the LE polishers is proof that isn't always the case.
Nothing against Eddie, but I think he might've been a little biased and was kind of comparing apples and oranges with regard to stalling. The ShineMate is designed to automatically increase machine speed to reduce/prevent pad stall, whereas the LE is designed like every other free spinning DA on the market which requires you to manually adjust the speed or optimize your technique to maintain rotation. Both are great machines, so take your pick and just understand your tool and how to use it safely/effectively.
Do you think OG will eventually carry the V2?
Og gets a bad rap because of his ego and him thinking that because he has the money to buy something it makes him an “expert” when in reality he could be considered a serious diy’er. He bends the truth about his health condition and basically lies about it in order to fool people like you and his viewers into thinking it is why he is able to “obsess” over products and provide information that others aren’t able to. Don’t get me wrong, he’s done an amazing job at getting you to give him money but anybody who is able to take their face out of his rear end and look at the things he has said vs what he is actually able to do could see some of his bs. Just take a look at his early videos and things like his technique or products/processes he uses and you could see the guy barely knows what he’s doing. On top of that he claims that he is an original and never follows what other do while forgetting how he mimicked esoterics paint correction process and tried to pass it off as if he had been doing the same thing already or that he had already been using the exact same products like jescar and perfect finish while his videos prior to attending their training shows otherwise. Overall, the guy is a clown. He’s in no position to think he can tell others something is trash or garbage while never even trying it. He is terrible for the detailing industry and has people who are just starting out thinking that they need to spend thousands of dollars on his recommendations or otherwise they look “janky”. I am guessing it’s part of the reason why none of the true industry leaders associate with him unless they stand to profit in some manner. Lastly, anyone who needs to tell everyone how much of an “expert” they are is truly not an expert.
Maxshine has made a name for itself with quality and good after service and fantastic accessories pads backing plate etc. LE has made their polisher very attractive in the appearance whether it's just looks or actually something quality only time and constant use can tell. Even though both are okay in the price department I will stick with my maxshine both the m15 and m21 has been going strong for over 5 years now.
You don’t know LE is a German Company an the made Machine since years. Self Maxshine is entry lvl as LE.
@@shinemaster I dont comment on something i dont know. 4 years ago I bought the LE T4000 mk1 as I stayed in Germany for 2 years. Used it on my own vehicles and brought it back with me, after 3 years it stopped working. 3 years of using it maybe every 4 or 5 months. I've had my maxshine for a while now used it on all 5 of my cars and close family, its still going.
@@shinemaster I can't speak for the mk2 that's why I say time will tell whether it's different, whoever does a long term review if any.
Josh, when it comes to vibration in the machines, which one(s) if any do not leave your hand with a tingling sensation after using them? Which one(s) do leave your hands tingling? The long term effects of vibration our hands are subjected to result in arthritis in the joints. That's the reason for the question. Thanks!
EDIT: From an engineering standpoint, the plastic screws on the head of the Max Shine are probably in the unlikely case that a screw falls out due to vibration and damages the finish of a vehicle.
Thanks but no thanks, I’m going to stay with my 1980s Craftsman for my once a year hood polishing. I still have some of the original buffing pads. I’m good to go, but I still like watching Professional Detailers do their thing.
You lost me at obsessed garage
@@gregmannos obsessed garbage the self proclaimed expert who is able to study product catalogs like no other which makes him an expert on those things
Regarding the grease for both polishers, is that a consumable item that needs to be replenished after a certain period of time?
I wonder if they put those design features in to break up the shape? Breaking up a resonant frequency could impact felt vibration
I love my Shinemate, no issues many years later
Which do you recommend, the 5" 15 mm or 6" 21 mm version?
@@KingRockets I have the ex620 6"
The machine can definitely work smoother & have less vibration & less bogging less heat with red grease specially the wolfs head grease. I've also seen longer machine life from using red grease. It's kinda wierd that's 1 of the first things I check on a new machine is the color of the grease 😜
Haha its true though!
Great video thanks for the info!!
Glad it was helpful!
How do these two compare to the Griots G9… I just bought it last night and you uploaded this 😭😭😭 and also, when can you begin your polishing classes!?
Could we local comes by real quick for some tips 😭🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
The maxshine definitely has a harsher louder sound compared to the liquid elements.
Machines make money!
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Budget friendly for professional detailer or enthusiasts?
Dealbreaker on the Liquid Elements no progressive trigger. Nice fair and well done review Josh. Thanks for your real world reviews.
My pleasure! Yea the trigger feels nice, but I love using progressive triggers and its a bummer this doesnt have that
@@imjoshv Hello Josh. The progressive trigger will come with the T4000 V2, which will also have a detachable cord. The machine is already inbound to OGHQ. Thanks for the really fair review of the T4000 V1. Good job as always. BTW, the cone in the pad is there to reduce heat in the center point of the pad. If you have any questions just reach out to me personally.
What about maxshine vs shinemate?
Haven't trued maxshine, but every review I've seen indicates it stalls. I own the shinemate, and it stalls less than the rest and is just very powerful. Plenty smooth too if you use a pad that balances well. It likes light pads in my experience.
What is your opinion about the griots compared to these two brands
Ive actually never used the Griots..> I may order some of them as well as the shine mate polishers to test out
I have two of them G9 and G8 mini and really like them.@imjoshv
@@imjoshvI own the shinemate ex620, it's great. I'm sure you'd like it. Not sure about their other polishers but they seem to be well reviewed.
Can you apply polish or ceramic on a wrapped vehicle?
Hallo danke für dein Video,die Maschine ist echt top arbeite damit schon seit Jahren,meine Frage ist,Rupes Mark 3 oder LE t4000 v2 was sagen sie dazu 😎
Easy one to pick rupes every day and twice on Sunday.
Anyone know if the cordless polishers are noticeable quieter than the corded versions. I most concerned with high pitched whining noises which travel.
I have found the key to making these somewhat cheaper polishers at least "feel" more high end is to remove all the cheap Chinese factory grease and replace it with actual good quality synthetic grease.
Is liquid element a dual action polisher
For that price, Still going with Shinemate ex620 pro
Which do you recommend, the 5" 15 mm or 6" 21 mm version?
I think it’s funny how people can get upset over small things. Like, for me, rotary polishing is the only logical solution. For others, it’s not. But seeing how I’m the one performing the service … isn’t my preference the only thing that matters? DA’s stall … all of them. That shouldn’t be a factor in purchasing one. If you like DA’s, invest in one and later on you can modify it to your liking; grease, handles, lights, what ever.
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Very fair point!
Some stall far more than others, which is big deal to some users. I use a da frequently, but if I was forced to use one that stalled easily i wouldn't.
@@joeschmoe6908I have used dozens of different DA’s and they all stall about the same … comparing same throws, of course. It’s NOT a DA problem, it’s a skill issue. Knowing how to utilize a DA’s purpose is key in a successful polish. It’s why I prefer rotary, there’s no guess work or variations … it performs exactly the same every time no matter what.
Further, how DA’s are designed, they’re inherently flawed. Yes, even the mighty Rupes. Basically, they’re semi-controlled chaos … rotaries are smooth. Even a cheap $40 rotary is less destructive than the best DA. I have only used a few forced rotation polishers and while I find them better than DA’s, I can’t justify that opinion without really testing them more over time.
The point is, skill will always trump tool. If a DA is stalling frequently, it’s the operator causing it. Why? Because it’s in the DA design to stall.
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How does liquid elements compare to the Hercules polisher
The hercules comes in a rotary or a forced rotation DA. This is a standard style free spinning da machine. So they are different. This would compare more to the bauer long throw polisher. The liquid elements is a nicer machine in my opinion, but the bauer is much less money!
😳15:23 "although lighter, it is heavier"
It’s the start for a German company in the USA
maxshine everytime 🤘🏽🐿️💨
I can always rely on my maxshine
Does either one make a cordless model?
they do in mini polishers but not like the ones in the video unfortunately.
So it’s pretty clear that if you already own the maxshine, there is absolutely no reason to get that liquid elements.. that’s how I interpreted this video atleast
Tried the code for the maxshine and says it doesn't work for this polisher..
I know they have some specials going for November so I don’t think it can be combined… I just tried it with no other combined and it still didn’t work so I just sent them an email to see what’s going on. Thanks for letting me know
@@imjoshv No problem! I was looking into getting one soon so I figured if I can help ya out I would with the code.
How often do polishers need to have grease added? And what kind of grease? Thanks
I will take it off your hands. lol Thanks for the great video.
haha, i have a few other polishers id like to compare it to frist
@@imjoshv I seen in one of Miranda detailing videos they used an SPTA battery powered polisher. Have you ever tried a polisher from that brand?
I pick up maxshines any day over a rupes. I absolutely cannot stand rupes. Free spinning maxshine and more comfortable design and more power to the paint all day
I love my m15 pros from Maxshine!!
@@imjoshv 21 with 5 inch backing. Cant beat it.
That is not budget.
The maxshine is much louder
Is this just a sponsored review?
I’d say overall it’s just a red flag for me that LE decided to associate themselves with someone like Obsessed Garbage considering his lies about having OCD (Vasovagal Syncope is not OCD) or how he profits hundreds of thousands of dollars by running an illegal lottery. Btw, for those who think I am wrong I dare yall to prove me wrong. Go watch the video he has with his therapist. She never mentions ocd while he is the only one. Also, go read the actual rules to his illegal lottery and what the us laws are for them and who is able to run a lottery. Obsessed garbages excuse is that because he has a free method of entry everything is ok but he overlooks the fact that it is illegal for orivate businesses to run a lottery. I bet a majority of those who entered probably don’t even know what the rules say as most would likely have questioned why it says “making a purchase will not increase your chances of winning” while that’s exactly what is happening. Makes sense why Matt blocks everyone who brings it up or questions him about it. Lastly. Matt, if you’re reading this I have a guess as to why you stated this recent lottery might be the last one? I am assuming you saw Mr. Beast get in trouble for running a lottery too? You might want to ask your lawyer for your money back. Ignorance is not an excuse and that coming straight from the ftc. Btw, how come you never responded back to me? You challenge me and then when I accept it’s 🦗’s from you? Shouldn’t write checks that your @ss can’t cash.
and 1st ⚡️🐿️⚡️