The biggest objection to this video so far has been: "Muslim doesn't mean follower of Islam, it means submitter to Allah" That doesn't really address the issue here. For the Quran to make any claim about Abraham and then invalidate other religions' claims to him because of the timeline.. that undermines the Quran's argument. Because it is the furthest on the timeline from Abraham. Also, I said it clearly, this doesn't "disprove" Islam because it hasn't been proven to begin with. I'm just borrowing catchy religious titles.
Besides that and the absurd suggestion that disbelievers just wouldn't understand or not use their intellect, there are even more issues with this dubious verse. To begin with, it asserts Christians and Jews would argue about Abraham, or claim he was a Jew or a Christian. They don't, and I have never met any Jew or Christian who would even think of such nonsense or waste time on that. The entire message of the verse was therefore already based on a lie or a pointless strawman, at best on a misrepresentation of other religions' claims which it only pretends to invalidate. There's nothing like a justified argument or truth in the entire verse, but only unsubstantiated claims and manipulative propaganda.
@@reinercelsus8299 are you fool or what. Jews and Christians used to do that debate at that time. And this verse is to address that issue. And one more thing if you haven't observed something doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or exist. I never met you that doesn't mean that you doesn't exist. This world is not revolve around your experiences. Grow up intellectually
Keeping in mind you recently made this comment, I can assume the recent objections came from a video who refuted this argument, from Farhan Ahmed Zia. All credit goes to him, and I hope this clears up any misconceptions and doubts. Bismillah, let’s start. First, that sure is one way to take one part of the argument and leave everything else. The argue,not against your objection to the Quranic verse is as follows: 1) The verse addresses a group of Jews and Christians at the time who had an argument about whether Abraham was a Jew or Christian, and so Allah sent down this verse refuting both sides by showing how what defines their religion (ie the Torah and Gospel) wasn’t sent down until long after Abraham. This logic is sound because being a Jew or Christian is defined by following the Torah or Gospel, and since neither existed at the time of Abraham, he couldn’t have been following their religion in that sense. This makes it a matter of which they have no knowledge of except conjecture. Not only that, but one can also see how this is impossible in the definition of the words “Jew “ and “Christian”, namely being “a member of the Kingdom of Judah” and “a follower of Christ”, both of which, again, came way after Abraham. Then you attempted to apply this to the Quran, which leads us to the next point. 2) A Jew or Christian is defined by them following their own books. Applying this to the Quran and then saying we can’t claim Abraham was a Muslim either is false because as you mentioned, being a Muslim doesn’t depend on the book sent down (ie the Quran), it depends on submitting to Allah. Hence the argument can’t be applied to the Quran because that would be assuming being a Muslim revolves around following the Quran, which throughout history isn’t true. As for Abraham, the term “Muslim” can still be used since he was a monotheist worshipping Allah, regardless of when the Quran was sent down. Since claiming he was a Muslim doesn’t depend on him following the Quran and rather him worshipping Allah alone, the argument remains valid. As for the reply saying Jews and Chrsitians disagreeing about Abraham and that being a lie and a misrepresentation, this can be refuted on two points: First, the prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) used to debate the Jews and Christians on more than one occasion. They were basically the “Islam Critics” of their day, only to be refuted day in and day out. Had this been a lie against them, they would’ve instantly taken notice and used it against the Muslims. Second, the following may be found in Tafsir Ibn Kathir page 184: Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Yasar reported than Ibn ‘Abbas said, “The Christians of Najran and Jewish Rabbis gathered before the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم). The rabbis said, ‘Ibrahim was certainly Jewish.’ The Christians said, ‘Certainly, Ibrahim was Christian.’ So Allah sent down, (يا أهل الكتاب لم تحاجون في إبراهيم) meaning, ‘How is it that you, Jews, claim that Ibrahim was Jew, although he lived before Allah sent down the Tawrah to Musa? How is it that you, Christian’s claim that Ibrahim was Christian, although Christianity came after his time?”
@@capsa4life376 Little did Mohammed know, showing that his so-called knowledge of Christians and Jews wasn't sent down by a God. 1) Jews were certainly not defined as "members of a kingdom of Judah" in the time of Mohammed. A claim like that wouldn't make any sense to Jews or Christians back then. Neither would it make any sense for Jews and Christians to debate if Abraham was a Jew or a Christian, because that's neither claimed in their scriptures nor part of their religion. Both Christians and Jews believed traditions, that Abraham was a patriarch or ancestor of the Israelites, that the Torah started only with Moses and Christianity only with Jesus. Mohammed was therefore fighting a strawman or claims made up by himself, that didn't have any relevance to normal Jews or Christians and could never make a good argument. Besides the ten commandments, Jews and Christians also never claimed that their scriptures had been sent down. Only muslims made claims like that for their own scriptures or claimed Mohammed was a prophet, but Jews and Christians never believed or accepted them regardless, so none of your definitions and interpretations meant anything to them. Only muslims could believe that just anything claimed by Mohammed had authority or truth, or just anything coming from a god, but neither Christians nor Jews would buy that. 2) A Christian was someone who believed in the god of Abraham and that Jesus was the Christ or Messiah. Therefore Mohammed was himself a christian but told you else. Maybe except for a few heretics, Christians never claimed that any of their gospels (plural) had been "sent down", but that gospels were accounts from actual witnesses of Jesus. Whatever some quran or Mohammed claimed to know, it meant absolutely nothing of any relevance to Jews or Christians, nor to pre-islamic arabic pagans or just anybody else before only the 7th century, let alone to Abraham, if you can't prove he ever spoke arabic or ever gave a shit for what some 7th century arab claims. He never claimed to be muslim and the defintion accepted by muslims was never accepted by just anyone before the 7th century or outside islamic religion, where only believers in a quran are called muslims.
@@LECJuwels Nur weil jmd ein Kreuz hat, ist er kein Christ. Da wurdest du getäuscht. Das Ankerkreuz gab es schon in Ägypten. Ist auch immer dasselbe Argument. Mimimi die Kreuzritter. Ich sehe keine Christen, die weltweit Menschen töten, weil sie nicht Christus folgen. Der Islam ist von Satan
He made the mistake of thinking that Islam began with Muhammad(SAW). The saying in verse 3:67 "ولكن كان حنيفا مسلما" 'Hanifan Muslim' literally means he was a true Muslim (submitted to the true will of God). The concept of Islam has been around since Adam, but the followers knowns as 'يهود'(Jews) and 'نصرا'(Christians) only came around after the scriptures and never existed during the time of Ibrahim(as). So simple, but you choose to misinform
What proves that it was from Adam times ? It's because God said so ? He also that he'll punish 'abd Allah bnu abi al-Sarh' who wrote Quoran for Mohammad and later went out of Islam
I'm quite surprised, because for me, all the - "Afala ta'qilun" (Will you not use your intellect?) - "Afala yatadabbarun" (do they not then reflect?) - "Afala Tatafakkarun" (don't you think?) - "Afala tubshirun" (and in yourselves, don't you see?) are actually the verses that bring me to Islam, the bold encouragement to be curious, to think, to be critical, to accommodate my curiosity, to learn, and alhamdulillah I found an ocean of knowledge in Islam, moreover I can still learn just about anything, I was born muslim (in the sense of religion, not fitra context) but there's agnostic kind of moment in my life and phase which I used to think that all religion is dull and dumb, but its no longer that way after I read the quran myself rather than presuming with prejudice (to justify my stance as agnostic) beforehand, anyway thanks for the video, it would encourage for those who seek the truth and start to be honest to themselves will actually begin to "think" about it, hopefully all my fellow agnostic found it as well, the ocean of knowledge that will satisfy your instinctual desire to learn, probabilistically speaking, it is us who lack the subject of field to understand a thing, lets say before I learnt software engineering my worldy point of view are so dull, I can't comprehend a thing or two, in the Islamic context there's alot that only revealed (in the sense of meaning) that only revealed to me after I finish my bachelor study, but the more subject I gather in different fields (psychology, math, algorithm), makes me exactly know that Islam is so vast, precise and amazing, Alhamdulillah, keep learning friends, learn every field and I suggest to not dwarf the idea and concept. open yourself to expandability. "Do you not see how Allah compares a good word to a good tree? Its root is firm and its branches reach the sky." 14:24 here's the compiled in Indonesian translation (been in my notes for so long), the patterns that brings me to islam: "Index berfikir" (index of thinking) 2:44, ...Maka tidakkah kamu berpikir? 3:65, ...Apakah kamu tidak berpikir? 6:32, ...Maka tidakkah kamu memahaminya? 7:169, ...Maka apakah kamu sekalian tidak mengerti? 12:109, ...Maka tidakkah kamu memikirkannya? 10:16, ...Maka apakah kamu tidak memikirkannya? 21:10 ...Maka apakah kamu tiada memahaminya? 23:80 ...Maka apakah kamu tidak memahaminya? 37:137-138 ...Maka apakah kamu tidak memikirkan? 11:51 ...Maka tidakkah kamu memikirkan (nya)?" 21:63-67 ...Maka apakah kamu tidak memahami? 36:62 ... Maka apakah kamu tidak memikirkan? 36:68 ...Maka apakah mereka tidak memikirkan? 2:242 ...supaya kamu memahaminya. 3:118 ...jika kamu memahaminya. 24:16 ...agar kamu memahaminya. 57:17 ...supaya kamu memikirkannya. 6:151 ...supaya kamu memahami (nya). 12:2 ...agar kamu memahaminya. 43:3 ...supaya kamu memahami (nya). 2:170 ...walaupun nenek moyang mereka itu tidak mengetahui suatu apa pun, dan tidak mendapat petunjuk?" 2:171 ...maka (oleh sebab itu) mereka tidak mengerti. 5:58 ...mereka benar-benar kaum yang tidak mau mempergunakan akal. 5:103 ...kebanyakan mereka tidak mengerti. 8:22 ...orang-orang yang pekak dan tuli yang tidak mengerti apa-apa pun. 10:42 ...mereka tidak mengerti. 10:100 ...orang-orang yang tidak mempergunakan akalnya. 29:63 ...kebanyakan mereka tidak memahami (nya). 49:4 ...kebanyakan mereka tidak mengerti. 59:14 ...mereka adalah kaum yang tidak mengerti. 25:43-44 ...apakah kamu mengira bahwa kebanyakan mereka itu mendengar atau memahami. 21:64 ...bagi kaum yang memikirkan. 30:24 ...bagi kaum yang mempergunakan akalnya. 45:5 ...bagi kaum yang berakal. 13:4 ...bagi kaum yang berfikir. 16:66-67 ...bagi orang yang memikirkan. 16:12 ...bagi kaum yang memahami (nya), 29:35 ...bagi orang-orang yang berakal. 22:46 ...mereka mempunyai hati yang dengan itu mereka dapat memahami atau mempunyai telinga yang dengan itu mereka dapat mendengar?.... 30:28 ...bagi kaum yang berakal. 67:10-11 ..."Sekiranya kami mendengarkan atau memikirkan (peringatan itu)"...
Same! I would go to videos that question Islam to see other’s perspective and it encourages me to research further on my religion. Really helps to strengthen my faith.
@@jinxd8936 To be honest, the more people try to disprove Islam the more it proves Islam Is the Absolute Truth, here's the reason: Islam has a lot of pre-emptive verses, anticipation verses which exactly reflect the current situation and I believe in any era before and after as well. Those pre-emptive verses speak explicitly in detail regarding the criteria of a person who try to disprove Islam and what their doubts, their question and what's important is the answer is also there. that's just not something a human can even think of. It's no wonder Qur'an are also known as The CLEAR Qur'an, I'm not a psycholog, but diving deep into qur'an makes me know myself better and can see the world with great clarity, the type of person and anticipate their behavior like a pure miracle, while in fact is, Islam teach me how to think, to make a reasonable deduction and everything. That's wondrous.
I have watched till 4:04, up to the moment you made your point. Though I understand the reason why you think so, I understood it differently because I’ve read the sirat nabawiya and specifically came upon this verse. The jews and christians were arguing amongst themselves about whether Abraham was a jew or a christian. The said verse was meant to tackle both sides as in: how can you argue that Abraham was a jew or a christian when the Torah (Moses, judaism) and the Gospels (Jesus, Christianity) came after Abraham, making the point that he was neither jew nor christian but a muslim. I want to make a little sidenote that according to islam all prophets and believers were muslims i.e submissives to the Allah. I’m very happy to hear your take. In the meantime I continue to watch the video.
All prophets were never Muslim. They were all Christian. They were sent by Jesus with hints of his name in what they said. Even muhhamed was a Christina before he was decieved and make Islam
@@yojoyboy What? All the prophets were muslim. Obviously they didn't pray 5 times a day, but that kind of things are not the true definition of being muslim. Muslim means who submits himself to God. By the time, as per time & region, the rules & regulations have changed. But, the fundamental belief is the same bruh! & Quran is not just a New book but a Latest Book. A latest book obviously dismisses past rules & regulations.
No one I know, Jewish or Christian, claims that Abraham was the first Christian or Jew. They cite sources from Torah and Christian tradition that he was a grain buyer from Ur. So a Mesopotamian. That's something! An ordinary businessman who comes up with the idea that there aren't many gods (like Enlil or Enki or Ishthar), but only one god who is responsible for EVERYTHING. Mesopotamia's gods did not always agree. They bickered with each other, and if anything went wrong on Earth, it could be traced back to that bickering. But Abraham's ONLY God must not have argued with himself - and yet things often went wrong. Abraham must have said that to himself too. What did he invent to explain this? That God's will is incomprehensible, or that he has an adversary who constantly messes with his work?
Christians never claim that Abraham is Christian because Christianity all about following Christ. They believe Abraham as a father of all believers. Also Christians accept that they are derived from Jewish beliefs. As Abraham was the father of Jewish generations, Christians also accept that.
Christians do believe Abraham was a christian, who sacrificed a lamb and believed in a redemption in the future through jesus on the cross, that is my christian friend told me. Even the time gap between Abraham and jesus is more than 8000 years😂😂😂
@@Waffen_SS-q7c your friend doesn't know. Christianity is about following Christ. We acknowledge Abraham, but to say that Christians saying that he is a Christian is false. There were no Christians during Abraham's time. Period. I think you are getting caught up in the wrong definition. That's all. I do know this though, that mahamed was NOT a prophet : allah SPOKE to Adam, Moses, David and other prophets, BUT allah NEVER spoke to mahamed. mahamed NEVER did any signs mahamed NEVER did any prophecies mahamed was DECEIVED by SATAN mahamed is NOT a prophet.
@@Waffen_SS-q7c abdool!! We're talking about definition against timeframe... Are you a child? Do you understand what the issue was? 🤦♀🤦♀ Genuine question: Are you a kid?
Muslim here. I believe the verse can be interpreted as "Why do you claim that the teachings and practices revealed in the Bible and the Torah applied to Abraham when it was revealed long after him"? Notice that the verse emphasizes the mention of the Books, not that Jews or Christians simply said Abraham was a Jew or Christian in the sense of the core belief. The books entail teachings and practices, which cannot be said to apply to all prophets because that is unknown to them as the next verse says. You said, doesn't this apply also to the Quran, which came after Abraham? Well, where does it say in the Quran that it applied to Abraham? That Abraham fasted Ramadan maybe? We don't say that Abraham did exactly what the Quran says. That would be like saying Noah observed Eid al-Adha, which is illogical since Noah came long before that.. And Abraham came long before the Quran. We simply say that Abraham rejected paganism (Hanif) and believed and submitted to God (Muslim), not that he fasted Ramadan for example, which is exclusive to this Ummah. As for the "why don't you use your intellect". This is a logical contradiction, one that doesn't require faith to figure it out, hence the use of "Intellect" (Aql) rather than "if you but believe". I don't see it condescending in any way. That's probably just prejudice from you. P.S.: Supporting this from Hadith, at the second coming of Jesus, Jesus will rule with what was revealed to Mohammed and his teachings, as evident in Sahih Muslim ("He would lead you according to the Book of your: Lord (hallowed be He and most exalted) and the Sunnah of your Apostle (ﷺ).") Book 1, Hadith 299 Also in Sahih Muslim 156, Book 1, Hadith 300 : "I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: A section of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. He said: Jesus son of Mary would then descend and their (Muslims') commander would invite him to come and lead them in prayer, but he would say: No, some amongst you are commanders over some (amongst you). This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah." "This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah." This about this for a second.. Each Ummah has it characteristics and blessings. But the Quran says, they all submitted to God (aka are Muslims). And God knows best.
@@crusaderknight6928your name is crusader Knight? Yet your a muslim? And why should he repent? He refuted the contradictions of the quran? Or maybe I'm just stupid and you mean someone else.
when the Quran says Abraham was not a jew or Christian is because its anachronistic to use these names based on people that lived thousands of years after Abraham. but the name Islam is not a name of an Arab tribe, but describes a characteristic of humans have who submitted to Allah since the time of Adam. so it's anachronistic to say Abraham was a jew or chrstian, but its not anachronistic to say Abraham was a Muslim, because the bible itself describes Abraham as someone who totally submitted his will to god
@@homer1273 oh please… cmon now…. That’s your belief… a made up story based on no facts… you’re telling m,e that Abraham was a Muslim because he submitted to your god…? That’s your religion not mine… next thing your be telling me Abraham help his son Ishmael in building the kabba… what proof have you got of that.. Islam is nothing but made up stories and lies… You wanna be telling me Abraham was Muslim because he submitted to god… load of rubbish… Blatantly rubbish with no proof.. just here say stories… without lies Islam dies…. Go comment somewhere else please and don t preach Islam pack of lies and demonic Satan worship…
Muslims believe what they believe. Fair play to them. But please do not interfere with Judaism and Christianity that formed before Islam. The Islamic god Allah has his version of events which has been staying lies and deceit that Adam and Eve were Muslim and everything else after that (all the prophets) were Muslims. The lies and deceit about Abraham helping Ishmael building the Kabba are outrageous and insulting to Jews and Christian’s. It is lies and propaganda spread by no other than Satan himself. After all, Jews and Christian’s are the worst of all creatures, according to Allah (aka Satan). It just shows this is no other than Satan wanted to spread lies and destroy the real God Jews and gentiles people. The real God of Abraham wants to save all mankind. The satanic god wants to kill Jews and Christian’s if they do not convert to his (aka Satan) religious cult. So please, Islam is the only religion that wants to change our history and perspective of our bible. Leave us alone and get on with your own thing…
@@homer1273 Totally submitted his will to which god and what is the name of that god? You are throwing away the fact that even before Abraham people worshiped different gods and give a reference of any known literature of or near this time that named the god that he worshipped.
So tldr you ignore the Quranic challenge made in 2:23-24 which the best poets could not complete, and the scientific miracles and historical miracles, and now your basically doing what the Christian missionaries do and that’s nit pick. Should the Quran rlly have to say in each verse it’s proofs? This is literally nitpicking every verse with ignorance after every claim that the Quran is false has been refuted. Brother thought he outsmarted every scholar of Islam and even regular muslims. I’m not scholar but I at least study my religion and understand it and research when the verses were revealed. No doubt about it if you can mislead the ones in the comment the Dajjal will sweep up every disbeliever and weak believer.
So much yapping. The fact that you genuinely think there are irrefutable 'scientific and historical miracles' in the quran and that the quran itself can even remotely begin to stand up to any actual testing shows you've been living in a bubble. Mythical unproveable hogwash has no place in the real world and deserves no consideration. When a religion is founded on fear and abusive love & actively seeks to deter/punish detractors no one should ever give it any thought. It's disgusting. And regardless of its methods it's about as real as 'sperm coming from between the backbone and the rib'. Your comment screams 'I was raised with muslim parents/around muslims and I've never bothered to actually investigate my cultural nonesense.'
The condemnation of Islam was pronounced over a thousand years ago - with the words of the Quran and its interpreters. Why does this intolerant religion still exist? Because it provides a convenient excuse for being allowed to rob, murder and oppress - justified by today's interpreters of Islam. ISIS was just one example of many. I am NOT trying to claim that Christianity is even a bit better. The Patriarch of Constantinople's shit was sold to pilgrims as holy... Holy shit!
There is not a single miracle of any kind, scientific, or historical. Lmao. A good poet could write a book like the Quran, but they'd go to jail because that's illegal. Sound suspicious? It should.
Good day, brother! 1:14 is a bit strange, don't you think: The arabic word is not the one used in a Quran, seems like someone knows how to change the code of the page. You may want to check via link you attached :) "Do you not understand?" is the clear translation given below. Anyway, let's go to the main part: The verse is not explicitly stating that Jews and Christians cannot claim that Abraham was following their religion because the Torah and the Gospel were revealed later. Instead, the emphasis IS ON QUESTIONING THE BASIS for disputes and arguments about Abraham when those scriptures were not revealed during his lifetime. The broader message in the Quran is to emphasize the unity of the message across different prophets and scriptures, particularly the oneness of God and the call to submission (Islam). While the verse challenges the disputations about Abraham's faith in light of the chronological order of revelations, it does not explicitly say that Jews and Christians cannot claim any connection to Abraham. The Quran encourages recognizing the commonalities in the message of monotheism shared by the Abrahamic faiths and suggests a focus on the fundamental principles rather than unnecessary disputes. The aim is to foster understanding and unity among believers in God, regardless of the specific religious traditions they follow. If you came up with thoughtful observation, I'm 100% sure that this explanation is clear enough for you to understand. (IF it's not, let me know, I have an explanation I use for the children ^^
If you believe that there is God, then you know that there will be a Judgement Day, and on that Day your "oh, I was waiting for the channel to critically assess the response" will not be accepted. You have a verse (you can use the link provided by channel), you have his argument and my response. What else do you need to critically assess them yourself?@@ARB6769
I don't think any Christians think Abraham was a Christian. So if no Christians think that, why is Allah attacking an argument nobody makes? The Christians and Jews don't argue over Abraham. They argue over who the Messiah is. You'd think Allah would know this pretty basic thing
Did you live 1400 years ago That argument started before 1400 years ago The prophet heard some Christian and Jew arguing about this, So god revealed this verse Nobody say this argument NOW, but before they did
@@mikeymileos the verses in the Quran was revealed when an action happen Like when the Muslim are at war god will reveal the verses of war to the Muslim so they know what to do But you didn’t know that, and because you don’t understand you say the prophet wrote it, when he can’t even read or write
3:10 The term Muslim quite literally just means submission to the Will of God, Abraham submitted his will to God as did the other prophets. The Torah and the Gospel were brought up because the Christians/Jews go by and follow that book, here is the claim saying that no such scripture was revealed to him at the time. All Abraham was the original message, which still made him a Muslim
Being Jew or Christian means to follow the Teaching of Moses or Jesus Peace be upon them both, and these teaching were not around during the time of Abraham PBUH
For 6;15 I don't understand the argument you're putting up very well, if you know how God speaks throughout the Quran you'll realize that the line "He knows what you do not" is used a lot, it shows his wisdom and his everlasting knowledge. Also, there are many signs in the book, and those who are ignorant when faced with them are those being punished, fear is a tactic that he knows drives Humans, but another thing that drives humans is rewards, Heaven and Hell. Also, having the verses separated from the rest of the context will obviously cause some confusion in you.
The point he's making is that all your claims about Abraham and other prophets for that matter, comes from a book which was revealed thousands of years later from their time. Yet the Qur'an criticise the Jews and Christians misunderstanding of Abraham because their books were revealed many years after Abraham. Don't you see the inconsistency here.
@Manu Lajo That's because Christianity and Judaism both depend on their Books, even in the meaning to their name they all stem from "In the Teachings Of" while Islam means "Submission to God" and Abraham Pbuh submitted himself to God
You can't derive teaching from what hasn't been revealed yet but even Abraham Pbuh followed Monotheism. Islam is the only religion where you don't need to believe in a Doctrine like believing there's 3 in 1 or 300 Million, just 1. Abraham submitted his will to One God, he was a Muslim.
When I read the Quran I missed that logical inconsistency... I wasn't able to really consider the logic given how the verse was basically just insulting non-muslims. It's kind of how you gloss over youtube comments written by a kid that start and end with insults.
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Its not inconsistent. Considering Quran is coming from God, God knows the past and he can reveal what happened in the past in the present. This was also proven my a mulitude of verses that not even the bible/torah has or in cases where bible is straight up historically wrong and the Quran has the correct statement that will eventually be historically proven 1000 years later. Also God is speaking in the quran. When Jews and Christians were making up stories of Abraham being a jew/christian that is purely lying in the name of religion which is blasphemy. Also also, God can insult whoever he wants and he has a good reason to insult them. This guy assumes that people think the quran was a random revelation that Muhammad made up and that people would question these things. They didn't. Both jews and christians were aware of the miracles and the quranic narrative so this is why God is speaking with such confidence in the verses. Only fools would ignore the Quran when they are experiencing the miracle in front of their faces. Jews and christians in the are mass converted during Islam's run.
its not insulting non muslims, it seems like it to u but if u read it in Arabic its not insulting, its a warning to people who put partners next to Allah. Dont know why u take it like that but bible and torah also from Allah and u will almost see the same to who who disobay god.
@@abdullahbinmadhi8306 The Qu’ran who allows to kill the apostats and the non Muslims, who encourages slavery, marriage with young girls, stoning, amputation, beheading……
Here's a logical argument against Islam/Koran/Momo: "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." - Anne Lemott on a totally different topic but applicable nonetheless.
@@kaneinkansasI see you haven't read any of the Quran and or the Hadhiths. There are at least three examples where the prophet peace be upon him let live the people he hated. One was somebody who killed his uncle in the battle of Uhud, the other a defector who later became a Muslim on the conquest of Madinah, third, a woman who swore by God she didn't commit adultery and then birthed a fatherless baby. All three were let go, and the first one was told never to show his face to him again. Peace be upon him.
@@ryuzaki5491 Indeed, I have read the Koran and Hadiths as I taught a unit on Islamic Jurisprudence for many years. Islamic Jurisprudence is reliant upon the Koran, the Sunna and the Hadiths to determine Islamic Law. But that is not the point. The point is, Mohammed hated and his God did too, and gave Mohammed license to kill the people he hated, and that . Period. End of story. In Islam we see sanctioned hatred, deceit, death. Judeo-Christians believe God is love and truth and embraces life and humility, love ;and truth - oh and paradox: he shames the strong and rich and violent with weakness, humility and peacefulness. As a result the Western (often Christian) view is that God loves all that he created, including all humans, and he gave us free will, so we can find our way, thru our own personal volition, to goodness and to God. God not only asks us to love our neighbor as ourselves, but love our enemies too and to pray for them. Why? Because God loves them too. God created them, and God loves his creation. If God did not want us to be free to find our own way to him in each of our own way, he wouldn't have given us Free Will, instead would have only created Muslims. Presumably, God has that power. You should not presume I am a Christian or a type or kind of Christian, only that I am of the West and inherit Western thought. But you should consider that to Christians, Islam and Mohammed are the anti-Christ and seemingly demonic - because it embraces hate, killing (of non-Muslims) and use of deceit. Also, Jesus is viewed as an expression of God's love for humanity. It is assumed that love is the ultimate elixir to sufferance - and that Jesus endures the massive amount of possible sufferance, in part, because the size (infinite) of his love for us. It is assumed that the more evil something is the less it loves or is able to feel and manifest love and to pray for those who do harm to us. This gets into the the crux of things. Islam's view of paradise is void of love, except or instead, it is presented as a sexual paradise. This is corporeal pleasure, not a manifestation of love. The Koran makes lots of mistakes about science and history and even religion - confusing Mary as being kin Moses and Lot, and tells stories related to the infantry gospel of Thomas. It also embraces deceit whereas the Gospels say Satan is the king of lies, and represents death, destruction, violence and hate. There is the Islamic Dilemma - it upholds the validity of the Gospels, but the Gospels do not return the favor. Then there is the theme of paradox. Muslims are hung up on logic, a very human thing, but logic is very simplex, more intriguing is paradox which is a huge theme in Christianity. God attacks hate with love, strength with weakness, greatness with humility, and so on. It is in giving that one receives, it is in pardoning we are pardoned. and it is in dying that one is born to eternal life. Much of Christianity is counter intuitive to Muslims because of paradox, but the Christian God seems to like paradox.
@@tgstudio85 I'm afraid you're wrong, robots only follow logical things and admit that when they don't have answers, Mu5l1m5 don't even jokingly do that because they are simply blinded by their evil faith.
2:46 *Christians claimed that Abraham was a christian? No way.* Throughout history they have always been clearly aware of the difference btw the old & the new testament, the old & the new covenant. *Useful work, otherwise.* Keep that critical mind! *You're doing an awesome job.*
@@twnb7733 《whosoever destroys a single soul of israel, scripture imputes [guilt] to him as though he had destroyed a complete world; and whosoever preserves a single soul of israel, scripture ascribes [merit] to him as though he had preserved a complete world.》 _(wikislam, Parallelism: Sanhedrin 37a)_
@@twnb7733 yeah... the Q, a boring hodgepodge of Jewish and Xtian texts/tales + a Zoroastrian sexual paradise, full of repetitive threats, violences, incitements to death.
@@twnb7733 I'm not really into the Palestinian stuff but I see their situation as obviously terrible---and horrific: these people are suffering unnecessarily - mainly because they are being hijacked by their own power-hungry "leaders".
@@ViralChimp. I’ll give you an explanation but first may I ask what your belief system is? I only ask to answer in the most comprehensive way possible.
The verse is criticising the Christians and Jews for debating whether or not Abraham was Christian or Jewish. Allah is saying how can Abraham be a Christian or Jew when the texts that Christianity and Judaism are based on (I.e. the Gospel and Torah respectively) came after Abraham. To be a Christian you must follow the Gospel, how can Abraham follow the gospel if it came after him, which means that he cannot be Christian. The same applies to Judaism. For Abraham to be Jewish he must have followed the Torah, although he couldn’t because the Torah came after him. Allah says, rather he was a Muslim (literally meaning he is in submission to God) since you do not have to follow the Quran to be Muslim, rather you must submit your will to God alone and do not associate partners with him.
Christians and jews have never claimed Abraham was either christian or jewish, but that he was a patriarch or ancestor of the Israelites. The verse tells a pointless lie to begin with. Christians didn't give a shit for what jews or arabs said about Abraham, unless they accepted Jesus as their Christ in the first place, which they didn't. God wouldn't need to tell lies and nonsense, therefore allah can't be God and was only invented by dishonest or misinformed 7th century arabs, who told lies and nonsense about people they didn't even know. Shame.
@@yrig6834 i got u , yeah he is a Muslim if it means fearing and submitting to real god , but if it means following Muhammad than it's completely wrong. U guys say to your self that someone can't be a Muslim until they follow the Quran . According to islam , gods will is pretty much following Quran 😂 😂
@@babotond we burn old copies because, would you throw something holy in the garbage or on the floor for it to be stepped on? No you wouldn’t , so we burn it to it turns into ashes and it becomes normal ash and nothing holy
something that i think is worth mentioning is related to what you said in regards to preservation. why did allah allow so many prophets to have his message knowing that they would corrupt it and cause other religions to form from it? allah never fails to mention how he despises other religiona even though he was responsible for their formation. not only that but he created a system where anyone that rejects islam goes to hell! he knew this would happen in advance but planned it anyway! thats insane!
The entire idea of an omnipotent being who simultaneously wants us to be free while also following his explicit commandments doesn't make any sense at all. If god wants us to act in a certain way, either he's insanely cruel and we're his play things (puppets) that he has total control over (including all phenomena and other belief systems), or he's extremely incompetent. He's also responsible for all of the suffering in the world, and our ability to feel it as suffering. If you believe god is omnipotent and monitors our thoughts, feelings for anything that might go against his teachings, while at the same time believing that he has supreme command of every aspect of the universe you leave yourself with the two possibilities above; either he's insanely stupid and inept, or he's a cruel benevolent dictator type. Also, why would god reveal himself exclusively to illiterate peasants in the desert who lived conveniently in a time and era where human knowledge was relatively poor and largely communicated via word of mouth? And why not reveal himself to a culture that had long established collectively sourced knowledge and had widespread written history (China)? Again, none of it makes much sense if you don't assume it's divinely derived.
Just because God knows doesn't mean he facilitated man causing corruption on earth. Man is given free will to be a witness to himself. Qur'an 2:30 "˹Remember˺ when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to place a successive ˹human˺ authority on earth.” They asked ˹Allah˺, “Will You place in it someone who will spread corruption there and shed blood while we glorify Your praises and proclaim Your holiness?” Allah responded, “I know what you do not know.”"
Mistake number 1: At first you mentioned that, "Quran in not proven that this is the word of God". I mean really? There are videos that are still whatched by critians in the youtube about that topic, about the miracle of Quran (scientific, Historic and poetic). Even Dr. Zakir made CDs (maybe even before your birth). Just cheak that out first! You are wrong in the beginning of Video man! Mistake number 2: 1:30 Read this verse and listen to what you just said. There in no Muslim word in this verse. Its so funny how you misquoat a verse. Mistake number 3: 0:50 There are millions of muslims who memorise the whole Quran cover to cover. And millions of them study it everyday. Even a little boy from Bangladesh won the Quran competition in Dubai. Just research a little. And you trust a scripture that doesnt even preserved in Jesus language which was aramaic. And ciriticize about Quran, thats so funny. Lets jump to your point: You should know that, this verse was revealed when jews and cristans at that time where arguing about Ibrahim (As). Some claiming Ibrahim (As) was jews or cristain. Where Ibrahim was beliver in one GOD. In Arabic we call it Islam. Allah just responded with this verse. Even Christian nowadays follow the trinity which not what Ibrahim believed. So Ibrahim was a muslim (in submission to GOD). All the prophet (As) preached the same. So, Quran is answering back their childish aurgument to use some intellect. I think its applicable for you too as you just side-tracking like a child. Also, how on earth adult like you belive like GOD in three in one, GOD became a human like you and even getting killed. Now even says, these three are equally powerful where jesus said, my father is greater than I, My father is greater than all. So you don't use your own reasoning and tell God to use reason and speak like you? It's laughable.
What makes it so important? Is it because it's the only religion that makes u feel unsure about urs why just Islam what about all the other millions of religions out there do u all agree & just differ with Islam then that makes it only 2 religions
@@travisbenson5006 Islam is the only ideology still trying to replace the freedom, laws, cultures and intelligence of all people anywhere with backwarded arabic cultism, folklore and delusions from the 7th century. I don't even call it a religion anymore.
@@Random_guy_on_youtube85858mate, there are thousands of videos on youtube of broking there stupid logics. and why he is doing this islamophobes things for sure money!! before come to arguing with me he has member on his channel And earning from that and absolutely from ads as well He is earning good amount of money by doing this so why not?
All very valid points, and things I never realised or questioned when I was a believer despite how obvious they should have been. When you read a scripture through the eyes of someone who takes its absolute truth as a given, even the most illogical bits of it can seem profound!
the human race is now smart enough to know that the square root is minus one is a number and someday we will understand that 1 plus 1 iz 3 and 7. it is so beautiful.
@@zehravesile You are right Zehra, it's almost as bad to approach a scripture with pre-existing prejudice or to approach it looking for faults. The best thing to do is approach it objectively and with an open heart and mind, and be willing to accept its good parts and bad parts. And that is very difficult to do when you already take it as absolute truth. I certainly don't hate Islam or the Qur'an, I was a believing Muslim for 32 years. I acknowledge it has some beautiful parts, and some terrible parts. And if anything, that is the biggest testament to its very human origins
The Quran never said they claim Abraham was Christian. The Quran is saying ALL who submit to the creator, as Muslim, No sects, All true followers of the creator, are one. An inclusive defining of followers of the creator. And the Islamophobes try twist it. While they keep supporting the genocide against Muslims by Nato nations. Then cry Muslims are the bad guy when they fight back.
As an atheist and an epistemologist, I feel the need to point out that the general word "muslim" and the specific term "Muslim" are used interchangeably in Islam. The word itself means "one who submits (to the will of God)" [meaning: to what is "right"]; and was used prior to the establishment of Islam. Muhammad did not invent the world "muslim", he simply co-opted it and those that the word could be applied to. While the current world generally understands that the usage of "Muslim" indicates a follower of Islam, within Islam it is used in both the modern and historical sense.
@@crusaderknight6928 “The eye patch is a constant reminder that others don’t see the world the same way we do. Not yet, at least.” - The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Sent thousands of prophets to as many lands but, recognises only two religions of the middle East propogated by his two of those thousands of prophets. How did the other religions go wrong although those prophets were also sent by Allah? Did Allah also err in this?
@@LennyChildOfJesus actually that’s your “bible” your Bible was chosen by a group of people who would choose what books were apocrypha and what books were good too keep. Also here’s some Christian math just for gigglez. 1+1+1=1 Makes sense right!? 🤦🏼♂️
@@Engineer9921 Looks like moslems just can't use intellect. If you are a son of your father, husband of your wife, father of your children, you are arguably three different things, yet still only one, or 1+1+1=1 (Prof. Dr. Bart Ehrman on Trinity). But after nonsensical logic from the brains of moslems, you were therefore either three gods or you can't be real. Makes sense, right?
Oh wow, 1400 years later and this extremely smart RUclipsr just happened to disprove Islam, what are we ever going to do now…I definitely haven’t heard such claims before, we’re doomed….🤦♂️
There's only one true god, but He is not the author of the Koran. I mean, common. Why write such a book with contradictions, horrible teachings, the abuse of women, the abuse of slaves, the abolishment of adoption and many other things and call it "Guidance, from We who is most Merciful"? Yeah....
Ok. So why follow the bible where Noah has slept with 40 minors. Example is the gospel of rebecca. She was 3 when she was married to Noah. Ok so you talk about "horrible mistreat of women" when in the Quran it litteratly states to value women as equally to men. If you have any sources tell me them and ill gladly explain them to me, and so can you with Noah.
@@Madara_Uchiha69420 Abraham pbuh was a prophet, served and worshiped one true god, paid alm taxes. Which is the definition of a muslim. Muhammad pbuh was a prophet, served and worshiped one true god, paid alm taxes. Which is the definition of a muslim. so yes, Abraham was a muslim, like Muhammad pbut. Not a jew or christian. There is too much ignorance and hatred in this apostate aladdin's heart.
“They always try to extinguish the light of Allah (Islam) with their mouths, but Allah continues to perfect His light, even though the disbelievers don't like it.” Have you noticed why Islam is attacked but it still continues to grow? This has been going on for the last 1400 years but they failed miserably. If any religion was attack like Islam is being attacked, it would have collapsed ages ago. So keep attacking it, mocking it, Or even twisting it. There will be more people learning Islam 😅
Imagine following a religion because it's "popular". You know what else continues to grow, atheism. Do you believe atheism is the correct choice ? There's a reason why Islam doesn't die, and it's certainly not because it's the truth. Jesus is Lord ✝️. John 14:6-7 ESV [6] Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [7] If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
@@DillaDonuts and how its becoming popular? Why Islam becoming popular instead of Christianity? Lol u straight up saying they follow a religion because its popular, which is not true. Yes maybe some of them, but most of them becoming Muslim because its the Truth. But let me tell you this, u wanna know how its becoming popular? Because it was attacked, the more they attacked it (try to stop it), the more its becoming popular. Strange isn't? They burning it, the results still the same. They mocking it, the results still the same. Even they put lies upon it, the results still remain the same. “They plan, and Allah plans. Surely, Allah is the best of planners.” (Quran 8:30) I dont believe in paul, i believe the bible itself is corrupted. I think jesus in Islam is more logical. Ur not really following Jesus, u following urself, or the church. So u do yours, i do mine. The Return of Jesus is the last chances for you to becoming a Muslim. Allah guide whom he wills Now i leave you here with this, even if you reply im just gonna ignore u because im done here. Here i gave you some verses from the Quran; “And (for) their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Maryam, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but (another) was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.” (4:157) “I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.” (Quran 5:117) “And they said: “The Most Merciful takes (has) son.” Indeed, you have brought something very outrageous, the heaven and the earth almost split because of that speech, and the mountains collapsed, because they claimed that God had a son. And it is not worthy for the God to take (have) a son. There is no one in the heavens and the earth, but will come to the God as a servant. INDEED IN THAT ARE SIGNS FOR A PEOPLE WHO REFLECT.” (Maryam: 88-93)
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!(Galatians 1:8) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's. clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
@@Winxwinx7 I believe the gospel they have today is not the original gospel that was revealed to Jesus. And I believe Muhammad is the last prophet of God
This guy’s argument makes no sense whatsoever. Even a child could tell you muslim means one who submits to god so when the Quran says Abraham was not a Christian or a Jew but rather a muslim it means he submitted to one god and called the people towards monotheism. How this ‘disproves’ Islam is beyond me😭 Maybe learn some Arabic before making videos like these so you actually have some credibility rather than relying just on English translations ❤
Yeah, because the jews and Christians weren't monotheists Or the many many religions that are also monotheist. I would reccomed learning more about other belief systems
@@ebnomarabdullh4866 Except Christians are monotheists. There theology is carefully worded to avoid multiplying Gods. Insisting otherwise discredits Islam
6:50 I want to say some things after learning about Islam. I don't understand what you mean by saying that critical thought is intolerated in Islam. If doubt wasn't allowed in Islam, then why isn't there a single case in which when a question was asked to Prophet Muhammed on Islam that he said 'That is haram' or 'This doubt is not allowed in Islam' or leaving the question unanswered? Whenever Prophet Muhammed was asked a question on Islam, he answered it there itself without hesitation be it whoever asked the question. Another thing I want to point out is the criminally underrated Muslim Thinkers during the Islamic Golden age. Whilst most of them were polymaths, they have partaken in Islamic Philosophy such that they have brought up contributions to the field of philosophy. Philosophy was a field that had grown on the basis of one thing: Understand the world by questioning and doubting what we know. Lack of this is insufficient to becoming a philosopher. If such were the case, why weren't they against philosophy? Heck, why didn't even a single one of them left Islam? The best example of a Muslim philosopher who wasn't a Skeptic but applied skepticism into a wide range of topics including Islam is Al-Ghazali. He was known as the 'bane of philosophers'. I bet he would be one of the worst nightmares of Islamophobic interlocutors today. Reading his works and what he had done often made me kind of fearful of the person. Like if he was here right now sitting right next to me, he would correct over a 100 mistakes I make that I wouldn't see. His spiritual knowledge and intellectual knowledge is sooo vast that his teachers reffered to them as 'a sea one could drown in.' No wonder Rene Descartes was inspired by Al-Ghazali to develop his Cartesian Skepticism. And these Muslim thinkers didn't embrace knowledge for the sake of wealth or fame, religion was a sole purpose behind that. Ibn Sina focused on medicine (who eventually would go on to write 'Canon of Medicine', which would serve as the standard textbook for medicine in Europe till the 18th Century) because of the hadith 'No disease is incurable.' Ibn Khaldun, regarded as the father of economics and demographics (whose economics theories that predate Adam Smith's are still superior to) focused on History because of Allah telling the Muslims in The Quran to think and question about what their forefathers did. Al Kwarizmi, father of algebra, developed the branch of mathematics because there wasn't such a field at the time for calculating the inheritance of wealth at the time.
As a Muslim... honestly... I tried to think this through very deeply. As you read the passage at first: "Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian; he submitted in all uprightness and was not a polytheist." At first, I didn't see any issues with it until you pointed out the issue and I immediately slapped/face-palmed my head pretty hard. The actual meaning of a Muslim, is one who submits. In the context of religion, one who submits to God. Within a post-Muhammad-religious context it would usually mean someone pertaining to specifically the religion of Islam (as we know it today). So when you say the Quran is ACTUALLY saying that Abraham was like a follower of Muhammad, I'm actually no longer confused as to why you apostated. It's unfortunate but it is what it is. Because you like to make fun of Islam here n there, I'd like to say for the record, and answer the Quran's question on your behalf, no you clearly have not used your intellect here. The LEAST you could of done was literally read the actual translation you posted on your own video 1:30. Instead you literally read it as "submissive Muslim" maybe you should say Submissive Submitted? Which in Arabic is almost like saying Muslim twice? Muslim literally means someone who has submitted. So saying Abraham submitted to God, is a mistake apparently? Lol, sorry but you got to do better. What upsets me more is looking at the comments of this video agreeing with you, ignorance is bliss. But I can't complain, how are English speaking Atheists supposed to notice your blunder, when even some Arabic speakers wouldn't pick up on it or take notice. I myself don't even know Arabic fully, but I picked up on it. The translation LITERALLY was the cheat code and it just went over your head. I pity the fool(s).
Yknow it’s actually crazy cuz I thought he might have been making a good point… and then I was like wait what that didn’t make any sense. I rewatched the video to see what he was actually getting at, and finally understood that he has absolutely no idea the Islam actually started with Adam (A.S.) This also means that he doesn’t know what happens to babies that die due to cancers and so on by the will of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ). Honestly it’s crazy that apostates try to challenge the Quran with some moral or ethical standard. Like you produce a book even in your language that completely alters the entire scope (i.e., creates an entirely new genre of literature) while creating new words and phrases that are unambiguous and perfectly understood by everybody, and also remains at the highest level of eloquence from an objective standpoint.
Moslems have never existed in reality, before arabic pagans invented Islam in the 7th century. No one before this human tragedy had ever claimed to be a moslem in human history. What deluded medieval Arabs wanted to tell otherwise to themselves has no bearing on reality. There was no true connection at all between Abraham and arabic 7th century pagans.
@@LockOnInc did you read the comment that is quite literally, rather than metaphorically or figuratively, before your eyes? the arguments suck and it created fitna, and it is shameful. 50% verbatim what was just said
@@JanMiddeke-uu4or If you know the deep Principles of Islam, yes critical thinking!. Then you would've known that all of the views this man came up with are illogical and doesn't make any sense... However if you want answers then thankfully the reply section have them.
Hi brother. Let's start with this. The biggest mistake that people make is believing that it's a favor on God for them to believe, to the contrary it's a favor on us if God opens our chest to believe. The problem with your argument is that you assume that by the Arabic word Muslim it's referring to a "religion". He's addressing the people that have taken the "way of life" this system of guidance that was sent down before and then they broken it up into "religion". Instead of viewing the untranslated word Muslim as a religion translat it to English as you have the rest of the verse. Then you would see that he's saying that Abraham was not a Jew, (which was a nickname that the people refer to the followers of Moses after him that later became a "religion" called Judaism), nor was he a Christian, (which again was the nickname given to the people that followed Jesus and later was considered a "religion") , but he was a truly in the state of submission to the will of God. Which is what the Arabic word Muslim would translate to in English. And he was not one who was associated partners with God meaning he worship God alone. If you have read the entire Quran then you would see that throughout it constantly tells us that this way of life recommended by God is one way of life and that's submission to his judgments. Understanding that man is the one that he gave free will to. Example you don't have to teach a horse how to be a horse or to do things that horses do because they don't have free will. Man on the other hand we do have free will and with that free will is easy to incline to our emotions or our judgments and misjudgments. Just a touch on why the Quran what makes sense to be uncorrupted is to understand that everything that has a beginning also has an end and if God is truly a just God then it would only make sense for him to allow that the truth gets preserved before the day of judgment. If you looking for a sign you can see the sign and the fact that no matter what language is translated to you can always refer back to the original language because most of the time it's there with each translation. Another sign would be the fact that there are literally millions of people that have memorized this book from beginning to end. I agree with you that some or maybe even more than some don't understand its meaning that's between them and God. Yet still the word itself is there and if someone misquotes it, they are quickly corrected. And finally there's no arrogance in God he allows people pray to other than him, not believing him at all, not care to do good in this life etc yet he's still gives them blessings in this life the blessings of life itself with the law that he gives men what they strive for. And yet the evil people and the disbelieving people those who associated partners with God and those who didn't believe in him will deserve misery in the next life to come because they failed the test of this temporary life. And they forgot about the day of judgment One last note that really refers back to what I started with if one closes their heart and chooses to disbelieve God don't need us. He leaves that person lost and his word don't become clear to them yet when one strives to believe then he starts to open his word up to them and starts to make it clear and then he gives them the light to walk through this life with. If it's confusing to you then maybe it's because you're looking to be confused as opposed to looking to be guided. Peace!!!!
Lol man I really can't understand how we are having these arguments in 2023 with our advanced technology😆. If u actually STUDY u will realize that islam was created as a COUNTER FORCE against Christianity which was the dominant power of that region and time, hence why Christianity is one of the the main focuses in islam lol. Both "religions" are COLINIAL SYSTEMS under the DISGUISE of spirituality. Christianity under the Europeans and Islam under the Arabs. Theres a reason why CONQUEST AND CONVERSION is their number 1 priority, NUMBERS/MAN POWER!💯. Hence why they BOTH are at the top of the food chain now lol🤷♂️. Once they conquer a region they completely destroy its native culture and replace it with theirs, this is called COLONIALISM my friends lol🤷♂️. Proud EX muslim😉😊🙏
Agreed, some of these people are just making a fool of themselves and think it's alright to make a show of peoples beliefs. They will get it back at them big time..
If Abraham was not a jew, what was he? *What was his religion* ?? Are you going to say that he was a Muslim? But that cannot be, because Muhammad said that he was the first Muslim! (Quran 39:12).
@@Herman47 Muslim simply means someoen who submits to God, "And I have been commanded to be the first [among you] to submit." is also part of the verse your referring to
It's One of the false claims Quran makes about former scriptures Like Uzaih translated wrongly as Ezrah was the son of God by Jews is that true? The God is not a father, Jesus is not son of God because God can't have a son without a wife. Any bible for that.? You see errors in claims never does bible say God has a wife?
@@MakaiJohnkennethQuran is hard to translate to other languages other than Arabic, almost all translators would be inaccurate. So it should be recited in Arabic
That's true how can he be a Jew when he is their grand children and how can he be a christian when it comes with coming if christ.its nonsense Like when Quran says the Jews say uziaih translated falsely as Ezrah is the son of God. No where in History to date. Then again it says Allah is a father to no one and how can Allah have a Son when he has no wife. This again is nowhere in bible that God is a father and has a son because he has a wife. It's Quran saying so.
So Allah the all knowing gives message in a language people can't translate yet we should follow it? That's why the learned ones lie to the 99% who are ignorant of Arabic. It should then have been for Arabs alone who despite claim it's clear in Arabic has turned out to be a night nare with one verses translated into ,4 meanings. Ooooooh all wise Allah
My personal beliefs is if God had truly written a book himself for Mankind guides it be so as that everyone person individually would have their own book for them. And only the owner of the books can read the pages. To everyone else beside the owner, it will look like a blank piece of paper
OK but he didn't, so what now? You want to go to hell for eternity, cause God does what he wills and doesn't follow your idea of how God should reveal his religion to the world? lmao grow up
We are in a test in this life. We haven't signed up for notes to handed over to you personally. If everyone gets the word of God means everyone does believe in it and then everyone ends up in paredise, so whats the point.
Your point 5 minutes in really resonated with me. I'm an atheist, always have been, but fairly recently a friend told me I was ignorant for asking questions. Not about a religion either, but about a political thing. I'm seeing more and more the evolution of politics into tribalism, and tribalism into blind faith in political leaders. It's worrying
Blind faith in political leaders has always existed, but the current political thing is to have intolerance at the same time for other people who have faith in other political leaders. Imagined moral superiority turning into a willingness to persecute other viewpoints and ignore long-established norms that preserve political diversity. Which is something with dire consequences as demonstrated by the former Communist bloc.
The problem is that any sort of extreme ideology tends to become its own religion. Followers typically respond badly to this conclusion, but that tends to prove its validity. Far left/far right politics have literally every single hallmark of a cult. Their leaders are idolized like gods, their dogma is unquestionable in any way and doing so will incite violence. Anyone who's not on their side is the enemy (who isn't for us, is against us) and they believe they hold a monopoly on absolute truth and justice. That's a religious cult. No two ways around it. If the extreme conclusion of any political ideology inherently becomes a cult, the moderates on either side are simply the less problematic followers. But they ultimately still believe in their side's core tenets. They have the same arguments as moderate christians or muslims, like "yeah but there are good things in it too", leading to the assumption that all of the bad it brings doesn't matter, as long as it does some good alongside it. Politics are as inherently toxic and dangerous as any religion. Unfortunately that also leads to the uncomfortable conclusion that we're all living in some sort of theocracy. Religion rules the world just as much, if not more so than it did in the dark ages. It dictates law and actively persecutes those who don't submit to it. The best and only thing you can do is keep your head down and pretend to be a moderate. The alternative invariably means being publicly vilified, potentially imprisoned or worse. You lose your rights when people realize you see politics and politicians for what they really are. There really is no faster way to make a lot of enemies.
@@DefectivePieceofChalk You're spot on there, and great choice for youtube character! Have you seen the new series? Yeah I remember writing this comment, it was about the more left-leaning people in my life. Since I wrote it, some of those friends have on their own abandoned their in-groups, feeling that the communities they were in were no longer 'safe spaces'. It's sad, because with this cult-like angle all political groups take, comes the sacrifice of the individual. And I know individualism might be a more right-wing thing but deep down we all want to define ourselves. I spoke to someone about gender for example the other day and she said her gender identity was the only solid thing she knew about herself. These costumes we wear, the masks, the categories; it's all a way of discovering yourself. But when you slot that discovery into a group, and that group wants you to be defined ONLY by those discoveries, it very quickly becomes a dehumanizing, spiralling game of who fits the group the best. Questions are unwelcome, dissent is met with ridicule, doxxing, bullying, and sometimes violence. I consider myself incredibly privileged to have friends who can sit and talk about comedy, for example, without deciding they are the ultimate moral authority on what you can and cannot joke about. I've seen that happen increasingly in the arts and it is thoroughly depressing, this suffocation of expression under the guise of 'kindness' that in reality, only serves to silence people for whom dark comedy is not just a fun night out, but a much-needed release. Anyway, lots of points for one comment, I'll leave it there. Thanks for replying dude!
All the gods of religion are MAN-MADE! When you look deep into nature and see what it reflects about the Creator, you begin to look outside the Universe. Google: The Parasitic Fly that kills the Fire Ants. America has been inundated by Fire Ants in the past 50 years and cause billions of dollars damage. By doing research in the lab, scientist traced their home base in Argentina, where their numbers are one tenth of those in America. They observed the ants and saw tiny flies attacking the ants. What the flies were doing was laying eggs into the ant and flying away. The egg hatches and makes its way to the ant's brain and soon decapitates the ant and starts to feed off it. Soon it metamorphosis and breaks out to start the cycle all over again. Now Americans are bring these "aliens" to America and getting them to curb the numbers of Fire Ants.
I found these verses the other day and showed them to my mom expecting her to understand the problem with them, but instead I got illogical responses, trying desperately to defend the book that makes no sense. When you get too deep into the rabbit hole of islam, your blind belief blocks off the thinking part of the brain and activates mullah speech regurgitation.
Assalam aleykum. The verse is not explicitly stating that Jews and Christians cannot claim that Abraham was following their religion because the Torah and the Gospel were revealed later. Instead, the emphasis IS ON QUESTIONING THE BASIS for disputes and arguments about Abraham when those scriptures were not revealed during his lifetime. The broader message in the Quran is to emphasize the unity of the message across different prophets and scriptures, particularly the oneness of God and the call to submission (Islam). While the verse challenges the disputations about Abraham's faith in light of the chronological order of revelations, it does not explicitly say that Jews and Christians cannot claim any connection to Abraham. The Quran encourages recognizing the commonalities in the message of monotheism shared by the Abrahamic faiths and suggests a focus on the fundamental principles rather than unnecessary disputes. The aim is to foster understanding and unity among believers in God, regardless of the specific religious traditions they follow.
The word "muslim" means submitter of god in arabic, it is true that the jews and christians have no claim to say Abraham was a jew or christian because the only thing he was, was a submitter of god, and the verse is assuming that Islam is the correct religion meaning he would have been muslim, so no problem here, leave your poor mother alone.
@@huios974ive read the quran and memorized it and understood it and millions of people did that and we are the fastest growing religion so get ur fax right before speaking kiddo
I don’t have to disagree with you by watching this video. I just say Alhamdulillah for Islam and Iman that I have. May Allah guide me and all muslim until death and granted us jannah.
8:51 glad to see that someone from far away with a similarly influenced but still different culture came up with the same term. Well, I call it "mental masturbation" and employ it against apologists too (among other comservatives). What a coincidence!
@Apostate Aladdin 3:37 This may just be a poor edit but you say he says, "DO you NOT use your intellect" yet you show in the image that it says "USE your intellect" Those are completely opposite contradictive statements. Can you understand how providing conflicting information can make you sound ignorant or foolish? I'm sure the rest of what you have to say is accurate, but this right here can confuse people. I highly implore you fix it right away!
@@ApostateAladdin thank you for noticing this. But yes, you should definitely say exactly what you're posting as an image. Otherwise it can come off as confusing and contradictive. "Do you not" and show an image that does not show the same thing you are saying can confuse many. (Spoken) "Do you not use your intellect" VS (Text) "You use your intellect" Thank you brother 👍
@@ApostateAladdin Bro 🤣 Just use your mind: Allah says: O People of the Book! Why do you argue about Abraham, while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until long after him? Will you not reason? So Allah encourages to reason when you see this sentence in arabic افلا تعقلون grab a pen and start putting yourself in the place of the pepole that Allah is talking with, so it is not providing straight to the point information but pushing you to actually reason. Here Allah says to you a question if you are from the Pepole of the Book, the probable answer you will give is the Torah and Gospel are the words of God so i argue with them, now lets move on. Allah says: Here you are! You disputed about what you have knowledge of, so why do you now argue about what you have no knowledge of? Allah knows and you do not know. So Allah says knowledge you dispute on meaning what is in the Torah and Godspel, and what you have no knowledge of is what God did not reveale in the Torah and the Gospel, so why do you argue about what you have no knowledge of in the Torah or the Gospel and are not open minded. Allah says: Abraham was neither a Jew nor a christian but a Muslim (submited to the will of Allah) in all uprightness. and was not of the polytheists. Clearly Abraham is neither a Jew nor a christian from the Torah or a Jew from the Gospel, so why do you argue about him not being a Muslim or a submitter to Allahs will when you have no knowledge of it and just try to argue? Maybe he was?
Why love critic of Islam when. When islam show good life while, Atheism is insane with LGBTQ, gender means nothing anymore to the point, man cn destroy woman in sport just by being classified as a woman
First off, I want to apologize in advance for the long post. I think that these verses consider Abraham (or Ibrahim) a muslim based on the fact that he practiced complete submission to God (Islam). The Quran claims to come to abrogate and perfect what this practice of submission entails. That doesn’t mean that previous prophet were not able to practice submission according to their best understanding at that time. The “don’t you reason?” Or “don’t you have intelect?” Doesn’t feel like an insult, but a call to stop the fighting and reflect. As a former Christian, the passage “I know things that you don’t” reminds me of God’s response at the end of the Book of Job. I wonder if that’s by design. For these reasons, I think the message here COULD be considered to be effective. I am not a muslim at the moment. I still see validity in your critique, though I disagree in the conclusions. Again, apologies for the long post.
Aladdin I think a book shelf tour video would be a interesting short low key vid, possibly on this channel or your second. Also i really like the clean editing.
what it means to be a christian, jewish individual and muslim has a play in it. this is a bad example, but it's like how something like asexuality existed before there was a name for it. if by being muslim just means someone who submits to god, then yeah muslims were chilling before muhammad showed up. what were they even arguing about? where's the context? you can find ways round any verse, especially if you slap a "it's not literal" label on it. but what's the point? out of all the things god could have said to us, this is what we have to work with. it has to be important in some way, right?
Ego. Coming from someone who came from the place of urine and made of soil. Your head is pretty high. We bow ours down 5 times a day whilst you stand, your comment and the heart that contains it suits you..
@@ishratara3519 yes we know that Allah lacks the ability to protect his words and books including the Quran. Even uthman corrupted the Quran and burned all the other different Qurans
@@ishratara3519 so why are there still different "dialects"? We have over 10 qira'at TODAY, with close to 30 variants I did my research and it's evident that Uthman played a big role in corrupting the texts. I recommend you do your research if you think it was the dialects that caused such a big issue that it needed a quraishi BBQ
The tone is really the same that daawa people uses, I remember how during islamic education we learned about Mohamed and Quran being the best example to eloquence and speech like : using exemples, "the aren't you using ur logic" method and using comedy (which you will find most of time very cringy and manipulative when u are listening to this type of speech after becoming critical). I like the video a lot and I would love to see more of this content!
Lol man I really can't understand how we are having these arguments in 2023 with our advanced technology😆. If u actually STUDY u will realize that islam was created as a COUNTER FORCE against Christianity which was the dominant power of that region and time, hence why Christianity is one of the the main focuses in islam lol. Both "religions" are COLINIAL SYSTEMS under the DISGUISE of spirituality. Christianity under the Europeans and Islam under the Arabs. Theres a reason why CONQUEST AND CONVERSION is their number 1 priority, NUMBERS/MAN POWER!💯. Hence why they BOTH are at the top of the food chain now lol🤷♂️. Once they conquer a region they completely destroy its native culture and replace it with theirs, this is called COLONIALISM my friends lol🤷♂️. Proud EX muslim😉😊🙏
It's funny how you're not skeptical of his arguments this makes this video even more ironic because he just keeps reaffirming the belief that the quran if false with the same erroneous arguments that get DESTROYED with just a tiny bit of logic
@@no-nz2op Its funny because these "ex-muslims" are mostly ex-muslims because Islam didn't suit their desires. And now they try to find something wrong with Islam but they can try so hard yet what they argue they have clearly no understanding of. It's sad seeing so many people believing such nonsense so blindly.
8:30. Here is a free English lesson. That sentence would be more intelligent and meaningful if it was, "You don't know anything". "Anything" is your word of the day.
I'm a Muslim, and I promise I'm not biased, I can take all the criticism trolls may want to throw at me for commenting on here, idc fr. But honest question, what was the flaw that we were supposed to see here?
In short, as the Quran states that the Jews and Christians should use their intellect and understand that Abraham is neither a Jew nor a Christian, the same logic should be applied to the claim that other prophets, who came before the revelation of the Quran, were Muslims.
@@solomonkiflu6774 ohhhhh okay I see now. Yeah, that makes sense. Thank you, much love bro. My take on it would be this. I could say Muhammad, for example, was a prophet, but then someone else could ask, "how was he a prophet if 'prophet' is an English word, yet the English language didn't exist during his time?" To which I would reply, okay, he didn't literally refer to himself by the English word 'prophet', but he met the criteria for what the word 'prophet' entails, therefore I'm using modern language to describe an archaic occurrence, but that doesn't necessitate that the same rhetoric must be projected onto the tongues of the people of the past and we erroringly assume they literally used the same terms and expressions that I use. Of course they didn't literally speak the same way as me. Likewise, one could say the prophets of the past couldn't have been Muslim because Islam as we understand it didn't exist yet, to which It could be said, okay, perhaps they didn't literally refer to themselves as Muslims, but they are described as such in the sense of being submissive to God in accordance with the law that was established during their respective eras, so by the Quran calling them Muslims, it was relating the accounts of ancient occurrences via the language best suited for the ear of the 7th century Arab. But, that's just my opinion. Perhaps, some people prefer a more literal reading of the text. Everyone has there way I guess. Allah knows best.
@@solomonkiflu6774 lol what a pathetic argument. you realise the word muslim means the ones who submitted to God. Did the prophets submit to the will of god or not ? therefore in arabic what you define them as
@@paimei26 To be honest, you are the one making a fool of yourself here. No one has argued about the lexical definitions of submitting one's will to God in the Arabic language. We have been discussing how Islam has tried to claim "submitting one's will" as its core element and justify the belief that any prophet was sent by the Muslim deity. Let me be clear, the idea of submitting one's will is not a unique Islamic core value. Christians also emphasize submitting one's will to God, as James 4:7 puts it, and even Hindus have a concept of surrendering their will to God, which they call "Prapatti." Using your own argument, it is foolish to claim that Islam is unique in this regard, as submitting one's will is a common concept in most religions.
@@solomonkiflu6774 what a load of garbage. Adam was the first muslim so he came with the notion of submitting his will. Your quick Mish mash response using Google means nothing. The video talk regarding who is Abraham a muslim. You been debunked you can go back and worship your 3 in 1 =1 nonsense
Oh no. You’re either intentionally misrepresenting the verse or maybe you just don’t understand what it’s clearly saying. When Allah says the Prophet Abraham is not a Christian or Jewish it means he doesn’t follow either religion because he came before Jesus and Juda (the person who Judaism is named after). Then Allah explains that Abraham’s religion is the one religion that calls for one to submit their will to Allahs will. Which is (pause for dramatic affect) … THE SAME MESSAGE THE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS DELIVERING! Islam: is to submit one’s self to the will of the one and only true God. But it’s okay good luck man
In my opinion, this is not the weakest argument at all. 1) Abraham's argument succesfully disproves the farao's claim about farao's divinity. 2.) It is not a proof of God's existence. 3.) Abraham assumes that there has to be something which is organizing the world around us. For him and for the farao it seemed to be a self evident idea. 4.) Even though It was made clear, that farao is not the one, who is organizing the world, the Abram claim that HIS god is doing the organizing wasn't proven either. Not speaking about the other claims: that his name is Allah, and that Abraham is his prophet and so on. All other assertions about Allah were not proven. To sum it up: the point of this story is not a proof of Allah being the one god. The point of this story is the realisation of a human being (the farao) that he is only a human being, not a god, and that there is some god that is ruling everything a that the god is infinitedly greater than the farao. This idea gave the the farao the experience of awe. I am not a believer and I don't like Islam, but in my opinion this is the meaning of the story.
If you said that Islam is false because they deny the rules of Christianity while having an age gap of 600 years old .....well jesus came 1400 years after Moses but defying his rules in Leviticus (20:10-12) which reads: "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, even with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and adulteress must be put to death. And jesus who came 1000 after Moses said He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. In John...
Brother, you nailed the truth about the Quran in a simple, humble and clarity that is understood by us to critical analyzed the argument of the author of the Quran book. Thanks to you and may be blessed you and continue to make more videos. I loved it.
@@dahirismail5931the refutations provided are mostly trash. Just twisting stuff, beating around the bush, using a healthly dose of deceptions is the hallmark of Islamist defenders.
Muslims make the same point about the Christian's Jesus: since the Gospel was written a hundred years after the passing of Jesus, it is not reliable when it talks about Jesus. But the Quran was written 500 years after Jesus' death, so according to Islam's own logic, it is even less reliable when it presents Jesus as it does (being a Muslim, not having died on the cross, etc)😮
Shocking thing of course being the gospels if you advocate an early date were written within 50 years of Christ's death with the exception of the gospel of John written within 100 years of Christ's death.
😂😂😂😂 No way! Don't u use a little brain bru!😅😅😅 Quran was written on kind of papers made from The leafs of Dates' Tree ( fruit) ,memorised by Hafeez and Recited 5 times every day... recited whole every year.... How can it be forgotten ? 3rd Caliph Hazrat Usman RTA compiled and gathered all, from the Companions, who were present at the times of revelations ,for the past 23 years... And gave it a shape as a Book
you made an error with your argument. One part your referring to is the writing of the bible 500 years after HIS DEATH. and the other your talking about the prophet coming after years of jesus. The QURAN was written during the life of Muhammad and not centuries after his death.
If you read the Quran in context, it is mentioned that Torah is send to Prophet Musa ONLY for the Jews and Injeel is send to prophey Isa (Jesus) ONLY for Bani Israil at his time. That is why Allah said in that passages Torah and Injeel came after Ibrahim A.S so that's why they cannot claim him to be Jews or Christian. Because the Jews is etchnicity who follow the Torah and Christian is someone who follow the Gospel. On the contrary, Allah mentioned in the Quran that this Book (Quran) is for all mankind. And the term muslim is some one who submitted their will to Allah as what all the prophet do.
No matter what it claims, the quran was evidently not written for all of mankind, because it was not even understandable, believable, useful or made any sense at all to most people ever. A quran didn't evidently exist before only the 7th century, nor did any claim from or about it, nor did any claim about islam or muslims, nor did any claim about Musas, Isas or Ibrahims. Only followers of Mohammed ever claimed Musa, Isa or Ibrahim were real or identical with Moses, Jesus or Abraham of jews or christians, rather than only 7th century parodies invented by 7th century arabs. Pre-islamic arabs were polytheistic pagans and pre-islamic monotheists didn't speak arabic or claimed nonsense about Isa, unless they were just christian heretics.
@@reinercelsus8299I disagree. If you follow many historian, they disagree with your statement that mention only followers of Muhammad think that biblical prophet as you mentioned similar to prophey of the Quran. Here are some sources from non-Muslim historians and scholars who discuss the similarities between Jesus, Moses, and Abraham in the Bible and Isa, Musa, and Ibrahim in the Quran: 1. F.E. Peters: In his book "The Children of Abraham: Judaism, Christianity, Islam," Peters explores the shared heritage and narratives of these three major religions. He discusses how figures like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus are central to all three traditions, highlighting their roles and stories in both the Bible and the Quran. 2. Karen Armstrong: In "A History of God," Armstrong examines the development of the concept of God in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. She notes the similarities in the stories of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus across these religious texts, emphasizing their shared significance. 3. Reza Aslan: Although Aslan is a Muslim, his work "No god but God" is widely respected in academic circles. He discusses the parallels between the Quranic and Biblical narratives of key figures like Moses, Jesus, and Abraham, providing a comparative analysis that is accessible to a broad audience. 4. John L. Esposito: In "Islam: The Straight Path," Esposito, a prominent scholar of Islamic studies, provides an overview of Islamic beliefs and practices, including the Quranic stories of prophets. He compares these with their Biblical counterparts, noting the similarities and differences. These scholars provide a comprehensive view of how these figures are portrayed in both religious traditions, offering insights into their historical and theological contexts.
@@reinercelsus8299 The claim that the Quran is not understandable is not universally accepted, and many non-Muslim scholars have argued the opposite, highlighting its clarity and coherence. Kenneth Cragg: An Anglican priest and scholar of Islamic studies, Cragg has written extensively on the Quran. In his book "The Mind of the Quran," he emphasizes the Quran's clarity and its ability to convey profound theological and moral messages. Michael Sells: In his book "Approaching the Quran: The Early Revelations," Sells explores the linguistic beauty and clarity of the Quranic text. He argues that the Quran's language is both accessible and deeply meaningful, capable of resonating with readers across different cultures and backgrounds. Thomas Cleary: A renowned translator of religious texts, Cleary has translated the Quran into English. In his introduction to "The Essential Koran," he discusses the Quran's clear and direct style, which he believes makes it accessible to readers seeking spiritual and moral guidance. Marijn van Putten, a non-Muslim scholar, has conducted extensive research on the Quran and its linguistic aspects. In his work, he emphasizes the clarity and coherence of the Quranic text. These scholars provide a perspective that counters the notion of the Quran being incomprehensible, highlighting its linguistic and thematic clarity.
@@irfanaditya8582 You are totally mistaken. No one denies that there are similarities between narrations of different religions, but this has nothing to do with a historical Abraham. Unlike you apparently do, historians consider religious narrations historical evidence only of the narrations themselves and from the time they existed, not as any sort of evidence from the time of Abraham let alone his historical context. Historians don't have evidence that Abraham was even a historical person, but widely agree that he was merely legendary and most likely invented, only even later than the Iliad was written. All you can really do with a narration from a quran, is to compare it with just stories that were just as unsubstantiated and most likely never about actual history, rather than only about beliefs, creeds and traditions from the time they were written. The narration of the quran can and will never be any more evidence, than only of a narration and beliefs of muslims about Abraham, only from the 7th century and later. Whenever historians compare any narrations about some Ibrahim with Abraham from torah or bible, that's not any different from comparing Noah with Deucalion, Gilgamesh and sumerian or babylonian flood myths about Ziusudra, Utnapishti or Atra- Hasis. Except for having different gods, the narrations are clearly similar too, sometimes even in more details than a bible and the arabic quran. Arabs of the 7th century were free to claim or believe whatever made them happy, it's irrelevant outside islam and has no bearing at all on any other narrations about Abraham. It matters only to muslims and people who believe Mohammed was really a prophet. Most people don't, so whatever he told was only what arabs claim in the 7th century, not more.
I have 2 female Muslim family members who refuse to hear any logic when I debate the Qu'ran and only become loud and angry at the slightest disagreement, and it's the devils work if ur using logic to assess the Qu'rans illogical and senseless Suras
This is why mohamet thinks he's the last prophet. Mohamet ask if jesus would come back and God said not in your lifetime,mohamet ask if men would fly so God said not in your lifetime.Then Mohamet ask if there would be anorher prophet like him and god said not in MY lifetime.
It's hard for muslims to read the Quran (or Hadiths) with a critical mind, because if they find errors everything will crumble and they may find out, that there own parents and society mislead them into following a false prophet. This is very hard to stomach, and being an apostate is also not very well received in their culture. But in the end, dear Muslims, this is not about pleasing your parents or 3rd cousin. It is about eternal truth and where you will spend eternity. So approach this with an open mind and heart. And then I guarantee you, you will find truth.
Bro 😂 Just use your mind: Allah says: O People of the Book! Why do you argue about Abraham, while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until long after him? Will you not reason? So Allah encourages to reason when you see this sentence in arabic افلا تعقلون grab a pen and start putting yourself in the place of the pepole that Allah is talking with, so it is not providing straight to the point information but pushing you to actually reason. Here Allah says to you a question if you are from the Pepole of the Book, the probable answer you will give is the Torah and Gospel are the words of God so i argue with them, now lets move on. Allah says: Here you are! You disputed about what you have knowledge of, so why do you now argue about what you have no knowledge of? Allah knows and you do not know. So Allah says knowledge you dispute on meaning what is in the Torah and Godspel, and what you have no knowledge of is what God did not reveale in the Torah and the Gospel, so why do you argue about what you have no knowledge of in the Torah or the Gospel and are not open minded. Allah says: Abraham was neither a Jew nor a christian but a Muslim (submited to the will of Allah) in all uprightness. and was not of the polytheists. Clearly Abraham is neither a Jew nor a christian from the Torah or a Jew from the Gospel, so why do you argue about him not being a Muslim or a submitter to Allahs will when you have no knowledge of it and just try to argue? Maybe he was?
@@MoiLtvuYes again Stupid of Ilsam is quite as showcase. Judaisusm was not etablished until moses was given then Law it was imposible for him to be a Jew or a Christian but he was no mulsim too , Islam means submitting to the one true God that means Christian and Jews are mulsim which would not make sence as we know Muhhamed was a mulsim
I love everything about this video and you. The way you talk is so soothing bro, and you worded perfectly what threw me off when I started reading the Quran. It sounded very condescending, and being a non-Muslim native Arabic speaker, the language was abusive while staying loyal to its level of errancy.. I applaude you. Best vid and way of communication
@@Gargindale ah he must have given the atheist version of respect, which involves acting like your opponents are mindless bots. silly me! Also, I find it strange that you felt the need to point out that it was unearned, because you were just complaining about not being respected by the Qur'an, but when did you earn respect?
For me, when I understood the significance of surah 65,4 along with surah 33,49, I can't understand why any decent person would consider that ok to be legal or morally acceptable.
Beautiful! Alas a common momin is trained not to be analytical and critical since birth and the one who needs this the most will have a very hard time understanding. I thoroughly enjoy your intellectual dissection of your topics. I also suggest if there is a way to simplify the message for those who are not intellectually well endowed.
clearly you havent understood the verse . when the Quran says Abraham was not a jew or Christian is because its anachronistic to use these names based on people that lived thousands of years after Abraham. but the name Islam is not a name of an Arab tribe, but describes a characteristic of humans have who submitted to Allah since the time of Adam. so it's anachronistic to say Abraham was a jew or chrstian, but its not anachronistic to say Abraham was a Muslim, because the bible itself describes Abraham as someone who totally submitted his will to god
clearly you havent understood the verse . when the Quran says Abraham was not a jew or Christian is because its anachronistic to use these names based on people that lived thousands of years after Abraham. but the name Islam is not a name of an Arab tribe, but describes a characteristic of humans have who submitted to Allah since the time of Adam. so it's anachronistic to say Abraham was a jew or chrstian, but its not anachronistic to say Abraham was a Muslim, because the bible itself describes Abraham as someone who totally submitted his will to god
That verse might refer to Talmudist Jews and early-heretical Christian sects such as certain Gnostics living in the area. I haven't seen anyone take a look from that perspective. Maybe, eventually some academic might look from that angle and give us a different perspective. In the end, early Muslims seemed like a non-trinitarian Christian sect that observes 10 commandments. But, then again, this is my uneducated guess in that topic.
The third screen showing the third verse does not say what this guys reads it as. He changed the words. He said Ibrahim was not a jew, neither a Christian but a Muslim. The verse doesn't say he was a Muslim, but rather it says he was upright and not a polytheist. If you're going to base your videos on the specificity of words then please at least hold true to the same principles or your arguments will have no weight.
Unathletic Guard, Wait, you mean to say that the English translation of the Quran means something completely different to the Arabic meaning?! I guess I need to learn Arabic then, because based on your ''logic'' the English translation is not accurate at all!
@@robmancuso964 no, it is has close meaning to the original one. But if one has to make the claim that he understood the Quran he cannot do just by reading it in English translation. He also, should have read different tafseers written by companions of the Prophet (SAW). As one can derive any interpretation of a verse of the Quran. But the true meaning was know to the prophet (saw) which was carried to his companions. And the logic behind this is that only true meaning used in a poem is only know to the poet not the known person who just read it. Like wise You can’t understand any law or principle of physics just by reading it, have to read the illustrations and examples of those laws and principles. Eg, if You will just read the 3rd law of motion which is “every force has an equal and opposite reaction” do tell me that You understand everything about it just by reading and now You know everything there is to know about it. Of course, similarly if a verse from Quran is a law then to understand You have to read many illustrations and example of it which are in different books of tafseer.
I can see why this guy became an apostate. He clearly doesn't have the Intelligence to understand the basic quranic argument. Since he doesn't have the Intelligence to understand what the Quran is saying, let me explain it. Some Jews were ignorantly claiming that Abraham was upon their religion. Similarly, there were some Christians who were ignorantly claiming that Abraham was upon their religion. However, as the Quran states, this is obviously wrong because Abraham existed before these (Judaism and Christianity) religions were revealed, and this is according to the Jews and christians themselves. So obviously he could not be described as a Jew or Christian. He can, however, be described as a Muslim, because the word Muslim simply means "one who submits to God", and this applies to every prophet from Adam(pbuh) to Muhammad(pbuh).
@@Elias_-_- defending our religion against basic claims isnt lying, Islam has no logical or basic errors, if youre gonna “prove it false” stick to your subjective “Muhammad was a bad person” narrative with some name calling added on
Abraham didn't exist regardless. He was most likely invented only in the late monarchic period, according to Tel Aviv University in Israel. He was not even historical but invented by Jewish religion. It's therefore nothing but nonsense to even think he was really a Muslim.
Just to clarify, we Christians do not claim the Prophets were Christians, they were Jews. We Christians see ourselves as Israel, we follow the Judaism of old.
Just to clarify, the historical Christians in Europe, Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants alike, do not and never did see themselves as Israel and followers of Judaism at all. Only a few modern sects of the 19th and 20th centuries invented in America do, but they are not really the Christians let alone speaking for Christianity.
Also the Quran seems to have messed up on the concept of 'prophet" as believed in by the Jews -Adam was not a prophet but merely the first human created by God and even the writers of the Hebrew Bible,if you read between the lines, seem to have regarded Adam as merely a token and not a historical figure.
The Quran speaks of messengers and prophets in the Quran are those that are appointed spread “the message” about God. Adam did that with his children, so he is the first prophet according to islams standards. But I get your point
Honestly, when I found this video,5 AM here btw studying for my Finals, I really just wanted a laugh and you didnt disappoint. Like bro how many times do we have to say this? Islam means submitting your will to God,all this verse means is that all those prophets submitted their will to Allah not that they followed the teachings of the Quran because Duh it wasnt revealed yet, the verse isnt saying Abraham was a muslim and followed our beloved prophet PBUH, it mean he submitted his will to God at that time which is essentially what Islam teaches , isnt that true? I wish you Guidance brother. Also the burning the Quran part, are you serious? Some dude burns a book that you hold at a very high place wouldnt you want want to beat him up? Like really do i walk around burning the bible or some other book just because I disagree with it? Some christian Guy burns the the Quran and you dont want us to feel offended by it, should i just go congratulate him or what? Whats wrong with clear instructions to burn it if something happens to it, for example if my younger brother colors over the entire Quran and no verse can be seen, Allah gives me the right to burn it very cleanly because then i cant read it, just a tiny example but Allah knows best. Also the part about the tone, dude are you for real? How about all the scientific miracles the Quran reveals, for example the development of the Embryo, isn't that the way of Allah showing how much knowledge he has. But ill state your arguemnt for you. Lets put ourselves in the place of the Kufar at Quraish, ok? Suddenly Allah reveals upon our propher Muhammad PBUH a masterpiece in literature that not 1 single human to this day has been able to replicate, if you say otherwise then you are not truthful at this point but i am willing to refute any argument you make, the Quran is a unique, miraculous piece of literature that was revealed in Mekkah where the biggest authors of arabic literature were there and even they couldnt replicate it, isnt this enough for them to show them that they were dealing with the a higher power with higher knowledge than theirs? I believe so, also please dont speak emotional, you say about the GrOtEsQuE methods of torture please show us a reference to those methods not just emotional unscientific talk. My answer is long enough haha but i wont comment in the rest of this video i watched it i laughed but im tired of typing and the rest is a joke anyways making fun of dawah men and such i wont answer to that.
Whatever muslims claim what Islam or muslim means to them, is there any hint of evidence that it had also already meant that to Abraham, or to anyone before the 7th century? Nope.
I came from a Muslim family and always wondered "why" my parents did this or that. I always thought Allah was the Kaaba as well and feared it. We were forced to read in arabic and learn to read it without understanding what it meant. Once I read it in English it opened my eyes to how disgusting Muhammad was (Hadiths) and how things didn't make sense in the Quran. My family believe in Islam but don't even pray 5 times a day or follow it. My dad thinks "good deeds" will get him there... So many muslims are misguided and just following it because their family do. Its is so hard and scary to tell people you're no longer a muslim. Once I told my parents, they acted as if the devil had possessed them. I hope all the people who leave are safe. Thank you for this video :)
Amina, do the research please. Do not just blindly believe what non-muslims post. And what about the verse: The verse is not explicitly stating that Jews and Christians cannot claim that Abraham was following their religion because the Torah and the Gospel were revealed later. Instead, the emphasis IS ON QUESTIONING THE BASIS for disputes and arguments about Abraham when those scriptures were not revealed during his lifetime. The broader message in the Quran is to emphasize the unity of the message across different prophets and scriptures, particularly the oneness of God and the call to submission (Islam). While the verse challenges the disputations about Abraham's faith in light of the chronological order of revelations, it does not explicitly say that Jews and Christians cannot claim any connection to Abraham. The Quran encourages recognizing the commonalities in the message of monotheism shared by the Abrahamic faiths and suggests a focus on the fundamental principles rather than unnecessary disputes. The aim is to foster understanding and unity among believers in God, regardless of the specific religious traditions they follow. Please, let me know if you have questions about any verse in the Quran.
Sorry but Jesus is the only way to heaven, He is the image of God who came down to show us how to live and He sacrificed himself for our sins. Not everyone is going to heaven, Abraham believed in One God and it sure wasn’t the Allah Muslims believe in. Please don’t try and educate me about the Quran, I have read it and don’t need you to misinterpret it.
No one is trying to educate you; I just said "do the research". Quran 2:256 "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become distinct from the wrong." If you follow the bible, then - John 14;6 - "[...] No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 17;3 - The only true God is the Father, and Jesus, whom you have sent. Deuteronomy 6;4 - "Hear, O Israel: The LORD , the LORD is one." You may want to look for a verse in the Bible where Jesus explicitly said he's God or where he said "worship me". I can save your time, you won't find one.@@amina997
@@1112-e9l Sorry there's no allah either! And I'm sorry to say jesus isn't god. Both are fictional characters in a book. Where's the discernible difference between the quran, or bible and a book that we know for sure is fictional, say, harry potter?? Be truly honest with yourself and the only logical conclusion any logically thinking person can reach is that there's none. There's no way to prove or disprove anything that's being said in both religious books. Why people continue to believe in them is beyond me. BUT I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY, SURELY CHRISTIANITY IS THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS. ISLAM IS THE SINGLE WORST RELIGIOUS LIE THAT WAS EVER PERPETRATED ON HUMANITY. IT IS EXTREMELY VIOLENT, AND ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO CONDUCT SANCTIONED VIOLENCE TO PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIOUS FAITH.
Islam means one who submits to God Islam refutes Judaism and Christianity as they attribute Sons to God as you have shown in Q9:30 Therefore Islam does not take these religions as the truth, rather that they have been corrupted and changed of it's message, This means that Ibrahim was not a believer that God has sons, because he didn't he relayed the message of one God Thus by default, with the belief in One God, he submits to God, therefore by default he is Muslim. Anyone before Islam was introduced, if they believed there was one God they are Muslim, just as how Adam is muslim because he submitted to God. The Quran is the infallible word of God which is not like the Bible or Torah which were time bound to there era, and the Quran is timeless. So this doesn't contradict it self by saying the Quran came out last so why should we beleieve you, because Abraham by defualt is muslim due to his submission of God and he could not be a Jew or Christian because their beleifs created by mankind were not in his time, but rather Qurans teaching's of one God were.
Have you not read of when Abraham or Ibrahim betrayed those two kings in order two protect his wife Sarah? The second one, God told the king that they are indeed brothers and sister in Him, the Father.
Very few people have the degree of perspicacity that you do, Aladdin. The doctrine of Islam is founded upon psychological warfare i.e. the highest order of manipulation. In order to understand and experience narcissism in its essence, and appreciate how its powerful disposition can overwhelm and captivate the senses, read the Qur’an. It encapsulates the idiosyncrasies of a narcissist which comprise over entitlement, self-aggrandisement, egocentricity, lack of empathy, victimhood syndrome, persecution complex, gaslighting, solipsism, black & white dualistic thinking, false dilemmas, inconsistent judgments, disparaging remarks, disproportionate reactions, compulsive obsessions and an excessive need for admiration. In other words, any person who exhibits these traits has a cluster of personality disorders. The major problem is that religious people call him God and venerate him. The laws that govern sane, rational behaviour are suspended when it comes to religion; the religious text is made exempt to the rule and God is given absolute immunity in the absence of sound justification. Blind devotion has been, and always will be, the death knell of a dispassionate appraisal.
Allah swt created us to worship him and it is normal for God to be a so called "narcissist" because he is GOD the creator the one who knows everything it is normal for him to have a high sens of self importance because he IS extremely important he's God, people like you amaze me because you claim to be a skeptic but you don't even analyze your own arguments before using them just a tiny teeny bit of logic would've helped you understand, allah was right when he said don't you use your logic, prophet Ibrahim (as) was a Muslim because a Muslim means to submit yourself to allah swt I suggest your rethink your entire positions because you seems like a genuinely intelligent person that just needs a bit of guidance, no hate
No need for someone to die for your sins. Allah says, in Quran, Ayat 53 (39:53) O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful. ۞قُلۡ يَٰعِبَادِيَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَسۡرَفُواْ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِهِمۡ لَا تَقۡنَطُواْ مِن رَّحۡمَةِ ٱللَّهِۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَغۡفِرُ ٱلذُّنُوبَ جَمِيعًاۚ إِنَّهُۥ هُوَ ٱلۡغَفُورُ ٱلرَّحِيمُ
The quran was not revealed by a God, but by a dubious arab making unsubstantiated claims about what some made-up jibril demon and some made-up pagan god al-lah allegedly said. There was no allah thing in reality. Literally everything he allegedly claimed about sins was copied from other religions and adapted to please arabic pagans and former idol worshipers.
My take on it would be this. I could say Muhammad, for example, was a prophet, but then someone else could ask, "how was he a prophet if 'prophet' is an English word, yet the English language didn't exist during his time?" To which I would reply, okay, he didn't literally refer to himself by the English word 'prophet', but he met the criteria for what the word 'prophet' entails, therefore I'm using modern language to describe an archaic occurrence, but that doesn't necessitate that the same rhetoric must be projected onto the tongues of the people of the past and we erroringly assume they literally used the same terms and expressions that I use. Of course they didn't literally speak the same way as me. Likewise, one could say the prophets of the past couldn't have been Muslim because Islam as we understand it didn't exist yet, to which It could be said, okay, perhaps they didn't literally refer to themselves as Muslims, but they are described as such in the sense of being submissive to God in accordance with the law that was established during their respective eras, so by the Quran calling them Muslims, it was relating the accounts of ancient occurrences via the language best suited for the ear of the 7th century Arab. But, that's just my opinion. Perhaps, some people prefer a more literal reading of the text. Everyone has there way I guess. Allah knows best.
@@nuri_sunnah yeah good point. I made a reply video to this on my channel. it was somewhat (but not entirely) the same point I made in my video. As I may not post the video in comments to other videos, you will have to go to my channel to see the reply. It’s quite simple to respond to this in my opinion. I saw no difficulty at all in responding to it. But go check it out. Perhaps, we have more in common than we disagree.
From what I read, I think the verses means that Jew and Christian are the term used for people following specific prophet (Musa and Isa AS). Because of that, Ibrahim AS cannot be categorized as neither of them.
Musa, Isa or Ibrahim as imagined by moslems are not even considered historical by jews or christians, but merely parodies or reinventions of Moses, Jesus and Abraham by just arabs. Outside islam only, Jesus was not even called a prophet by anyone ever, so only moslems from the 7th century or christian heretics before them could have addressed him like that. Christians and jews never debated if Abraham was either in reality and they never had any reason to do so, therefore arabs must have invented that. Christians didn't give a shit for any claims or opinions of jews about Abraham regardless, unless the jews accepted Jesus as their Christ in the first place. Never happened.
What can i say from this video is enjoy this little audience while you can, as you grow bigger, you will catch attention of some of the prominent Muslim youtuber who has been time and time again debating with atheist, agnostic etc. They will surely invite you for a intellectual conversation, if you truly believe in what you say, i hope to see you later in their video. Or if maybe you can invite them to yours, i will recommend people like TheMuslimSkeptic, Muhammad Hijab, OneMessageFoundation. Dont just do reaction videos where the other side cant respond.
I’m surprised at the comment section as well I was expecting more Muslims disagreeing 😭 half of the video he is saying that Prophet Muhammad pbuh is basically a hypocrite as he claims that Abraham is nor Jew or Christian because the revelations were after his time and so he can’t be Muslims either. But Muslim simply translates to “surrender” someone who believes and surrenders to God/Allah (same thing)- he is by definition a Muslim, Islam Christianity Judaism are all Gods religions he’s looking at it all wrong. If a Christian prays and believed in the oneness of God (that God is one and Jesus is a prophet) in Arabic he is classified as a Muslim- someone who surrenders to God only, they may call themselves a Christian. After all, every religion is from God and if you really follow the truth it doesn’t matter which religion you pick. Second half he is demanding proof of “Allah knows and you do not know” .. everything in the Quran is based on believing that it is the truth you cannot find physical proof of anything in it until you believe that it is the truth then you realise everything you see or have is physical proof. There are also scientific links in the Quran but I won’t get into it. The Quran is very straight to the point yes and what’s wrong and right is very transparent. It does not just blame the devil for Muslims sins and every Muslim is aware that they will be judged by their deeds and sins not anyone else’s on judgement day so they’re accountable for their own actions in fact the human ego is seen as the other source of wrongdoings. Everyone has their own faith journey and there are some points which can easily be misunderstood in the Quran due to context and the era the Quran was introduced in which can also be explained but these points 👎🏼. Also his biased vocabulary like “laughable” and mocking our God and religion (at the end especially) doesn’t align with his “I only speak facts use ur own logic” persona.
@@nuri_sunnah Lol man I really can't understand how we are having these arguments in 2023 with our advanced technology😆. If u actually STUDY u will realize that islam was created as a COUNTER FORCE against Christianity which was the dominant power of that region and time, hence why Christianity is one of the the main focuses in islam lol. Both "religions" are COLINIAL SYSTEMS under the DISGUISE of spirituality. Christianity under the Europeans and Islam under the Arabs. Theres a reason why CONQUEST AND CONVERSION is their number 1 priority, NUMBERS/MAN POWER!💯. Hence why they BOTH are at the top of the food chain now lol🤷♂️. Once they conquer a region they completely destroy its native culture and replace it with theirs, this is called COLONIALISM my friends lol🤷♂️. Proud EX muslim😉😊🙏
@@javedfaizal5473 Lol man I really can't understand how we are having these arguments in 2023 with our advanced technology😆. If u actually STUDY u will realize that islam was created as a COUNTER FORCE against Christianity which was the dominant power of that region and time, hence why Christianity is one of the the main focuses in islam lol. Both "religions" are COLINIAL SYSTEMS under the DISGUISE of spirituality. Christianity under the Europeans and Islam under the Arabs. Theres a reason why CONQUEST AND CONVERSION is their number 1 priority, NUMBERS/MAN POWER!💯. Hence why they BOTH are at the top of the food chain now lol🤷♂️. Once they conquer a region they completely destroy its native culture and replace it with theirs, this is called COLONIALISM my friends lol🤷♂️. Proud EX muslim😉😊🙏
clearly you havent understood the verse . when the Quran says Abraham was not a jew or Christian is because its anachronistic to use these names based on people that lived thousands of years after Abraham. but the name Islam is not a name of an Arab tribe, but describes a characteristic of humans have who submitted to Allah since the time of Adam. so it's anachronistic to say Abraham was a jew or chrstian, but its not anachronistic to say Abraham was a Muslim, because the bible itself describes Abraham as someone who totally submitted his will to god
The Quran never mentioned (in the shown verses at least) what the jews and christians were arguing about over Abraham (as), you also just claimed that the Quran says that Abraham (as) was a muslim, which is not true it even explicitly states he wasnt a jew christian or polytheist but simply submitted to god the fact that "muslim" means to submit ones will to Allah (swt) doesnt mean he was a muslim as we are today since the Quran, like you said, was revealed long after his (as) death
It’s explained that the reason is to go with each individual society and era that’s why so many different prophets were needed and Islam came when humanity was ready for the final message
You've misunderstood those verses about Abraham/Ibrahim. Abraham was not a Jew [Judaism came after Jacob who was called Israel, and his sons]. Abraham has no connection to the Torah, which originates with Moses, who came later. Abraham, for obvious reasons, was not a Christian. In fact, even the disciples of Jesus were not Christians. Nobody was called Christian until much later in Antioch. However, Abraham, as the verses of the Quran you cited state, was a submitter to Allah. What is one translation of the word Muslim? One who submits. Thus, Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian, but he was a Muslim. That is what the verses are conveying - not whether a particular book or religious dogma can lay claim to Abraham. Abraham was the father of all three religions, but the constant is that he submitted. He was Muslim. So was Jesus. So was Moses and so on. All submitted to Allah. Thus all were Muslims.
0:47 also applies to your videos, most people who watch your videos are people who are already ex MuslimsChristians, nobody is even looking to correct you, even if I do you won’t care, you made up your mind a long time ago.
Apostate Aladdin mentions Quran 3:67 which states that Abraham was a مُّسْلِمًۭا (a true Muslim). This CONTRADICTS what Muhammad had said previously in Quran 39:12 [Quran not in chronological order] : “And I am commanded to be the FIRST of those who bow to Allah in Islam." (Quran 39:12). Such a contradiction is not surprising, since Muhammad did not have the best memory. Muhammad's wife, Aisha, recalls: Narrated: Aisha "The Prophet (SAW) heard a man (reciting Quran) in the Mosque, and he said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy upon him. No doubt, he made me remember such-and such Verses of such-and-such Sura which I dropped (from my memory)." [Sahih Bukhari, 3:823].
There is no contradiction if you read the verse properly. It says: _And I am _*_commanded to be the first_*_ of those who submit._ [39:12] No other prophet before Muhammad (S) was outright commanded to submit in prayer to Allah (SWT). Abraham a.s was a Muslim who submitted, but he wasn't commanded like the Prophet (S) to submit like in salah. You are conflating those two things.
@@Herman47 Well that question makes no sense because, if Allah (SWT) had not commanded the Prophet (S) to submit in the first place, then there would be no such thing as refusal to do so. The Prophet (S) would have done whatever Allah (SWT) wanted of him and he (S) would still submit his will to Allah (SWT) just like all the prophets before him.
@@allittakesisonebadday4957 All of your prophets obey your god. When Muhammad says that he is the first Muslim (Quran 39:12) and then later says that Abraham was a Muslim (Quran 3:67), we have a contradiction. And this contrardiction just by itself destroys the notion that a perfect god is the author of a perfect book. What happened here is that Muhammad had forgotten what he told people earlier. His memory was not perfect. Muhammad's wife, Aisha, recalls: Narrated: Aisha "The Prophet (SAW) heard a man (reciting Quran) in the Mosque, and he said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy upon him. No doubt, he made me remember such-and such Verses of such-and-such Sura which I dropped (from my memory)." [Sahih Bukhari, 3:823].
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The biggest objection to this video so far has been: "Muslim doesn't mean follower of Islam, it means submitter to Allah"
That doesn't really address the issue here. For the Quran to make any claim about Abraham and then invalidate other religions' claims to him because of the timeline.. that undermines the Quran's argument. Because it is the furthest on the timeline from Abraham.
Also, I said it clearly, this doesn't "disprove" Islam because it hasn't been proven to begin with. I'm just borrowing catchy religious titles.
Besides that and the absurd suggestion that disbelievers just wouldn't understand or not use their intellect, there are even more issues with this dubious verse.
To begin with, it asserts Christians and Jews would argue about Abraham, or claim he was a Jew or a Christian. They don't, and I have never met any Jew or Christian who would even think of such nonsense or waste time on that. The entire message of the verse was therefore already based on a lie or a pointless strawman, at best on a misrepresentation of other religions' claims which it only pretends to invalidate. There's nothing like a justified argument or truth in the entire verse, but only unsubstantiated claims and manipulative propaganda.
@@reinercelsus8299 are you fool or what. Jews and Christians used to do that debate at that time. And this verse is to address that issue.
And one more thing if you haven't observed something doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or exist. I never met you that doesn't mean that you doesn't exist.
This world is not revolve around your experiences. Grow up intellectually
Keeping in mind you recently made this comment, I can assume the recent objections came from a video who refuted this argument, from Farhan Ahmed Zia. All credit goes to him, and I hope this clears up any misconceptions and doubts. Bismillah, let’s start.
First, that sure is one way to take one part of the argument and leave everything else. The argue,not against your objection to the Quranic verse is as follows:
1) The verse addresses a group of Jews and Christians at the time who had an argument about whether Abraham was a Jew or Christian, and so Allah sent down this verse refuting both sides by showing how what defines their religion (ie the Torah and Gospel) wasn’t sent down until long after Abraham. This logic is sound because being a Jew or Christian is defined by following the Torah or Gospel, and since neither existed at the time of Abraham, he couldn’t have been following their religion in that sense. This makes it a matter of which they have no knowledge of except conjecture. Not only that, but one can also see how this is impossible in the definition of the words “Jew
“ and “Christian”, namely being “a member of the Kingdom of Judah” and “a follower of Christ”, both of which, again, came way after Abraham. Then you attempted to apply this to the Quran, which leads us to the next point.
2) A Jew or Christian is defined by them following their own books. Applying this to the Quran and then saying we can’t claim Abraham was a Muslim either is false because as you mentioned, being a Muslim doesn’t depend on the book sent down (ie the Quran), it depends on submitting to Allah. Hence the argument can’t be applied to the Quran because that would be assuming being a Muslim revolves around following the Quran, which throughout history isn’t true. As for Abraham, the term “Muslim” can still be used since he was a monotheist worshipping Allah, regardless of when the Quran was sent down. Since claiming he was a Muslim doesn’t depend on him following the Quran and rather him worshipping Allah alone, the argument remains valid.
As for the reply saying Jews and Chrsitians disagreeing about Abraham and that being a lie and a misrepresentation, this can be refuted on two points:
First, the prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) used to debate the Jews and Christians on more than one occasion. They were basically the “Islam Critics” of their day, only to be refuted day in and day out. Had this been a lie against them, they would’ve instantly taken notice and used it against the Muslims.
Second, the following may be found in Tafsir Ibn Kathir page 184:
Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Yasar reported than Ibn ‘Abbas said, “The Christians of Najran and Jewish Rabbis gathered before the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم). The rabbis said, ‘Ibrahim was certainly Jewish.’ The Christians said, ‘Certainly, Ibrahim was Christian.’ So Allah sent down, (يا أهل الكتاب لم تحاجون في إبراهيم) meaning, ‘How is it that you, Jews, claim that Ibrahim was Jew, although he lived before Allah sent down the Tawrah to Musa? How is it that you, Christian’s claim that Ibrahim was Christian, although Christianity came after his time?”
@@capsa4life376 Little did Mohammed know, showing that his so-called knowledge of Christians and Jews wasn't sent down by a God.
1) Jews were certainly not defined as "members of a kingdom of Judah" in the time of Mohammed. A claim like that wouldn't make any sense to Jews or Christians back then.
Neither would it make any sense for Jews and Christians to debate if Abraham was a Jew or a Christian, because that's neither claimed in their scriptures nor part of their religion.
Both Christians and Jews believed traditions, that Abraham was a patriarch or ancestor of the Israelites, that the Torah started only with Moses and Christianity only with Jesus.
Mohammed was therefore fighting a strawman or claims made up by himself, that didn't have any relevance to normal Jews or Christians and could never make a good argument.
Besides the ten commandments, Jews and Christians also never claimed that their scriptures had been sent down. Only muslims made claims like that for their own scriptures or claimed Mohammed was a prophet, but Jews and Christians never believed or accepted them regardless, so none of your definitions and interpretations meant anything to them.
Only muslims could believe that just anything claimed by Mohammed had authority or truth, or just anything coming from a god, but neither Christians nor Jews would buy that.
2) A Christian was someone who believed in the god of Abraham and that Jesus was the Christ or Messiah. Therefore Mohammed was himself a christian but told you else.
Maybe except for a few heretics, Christians never claimed that any of their gospels (plural) had been "sent down", but that gospels were accounts from actual witnesses of Jesus.
Whatever some quran or Mohammed claimed to know, it meant absolutely nothing of any relevance to Jews or Christians, nor to pre-islamic arabic pagans or just anybody else before only the 7th century, let alone to Abraham, if you can't prove he ever spoke arabic or ever gave a shit for what some 7th century arab claims. He never claimed to be muslim and the defintion accepted by muslims was never accepted by just anyone before the 7th century or outside islamic religion, where only believers in a quran are called muslims.
@@capsa4life376 bro was yapping too much but okay
Critiques of Islam always hide their faces while critiques of Christian do it openly. That speaks loud about the religion.
yes because islam responds to criticism with violence
He dont want to get killed by your peaceful islam.
yes that is true
@@ZK1.0 yeah... no... thats just false
@@malaika777 give me proof
Islam is so peaceful even when u criticise it u must wear a mask ... such peace!
🤣🤣🤣the sarcasm
5:32 Quran have a good Day
like templars with the red cross desivers scammers
A religion so perfect and attractive that they will kill you if you leave.
@@LECJuwels Nur weil jmd ein Kreuz hat, ist er kein Christ. Da wurdest du getäuscht. Das Ankerkreuz gab es schon in Ägypten. Ist auch immer dasselbe Argument. Mimimi die Kreuzritter. Ich sehe keine Christen, die weltweit Menschen töten, weil sie nicht Christus folgen. Der Islam ist von Satan
He made the mistake of thinking that Islam began with Muhammad(SAW). The saying in verse 3:67 "ولكن كان حنيفا مسلما" 'Hanifan Muslim' literally means he was a true Muslim (submitted to the true will of God). The concept of Islam has been around since Adam, but the followers knowns as 'يهود'(Jews) and 'نصرا'(Christians) only came around after the scriptures and never existed during the time of Ibrahim(as). So simple, but you choose to misinform
No it hasnt...
@@KithEsq is Ibrahim not a submitter to 1 god according to the Jewish and Christian narrative as well?
@@iedeen_ What name did GOD give?
@@KithEsq varies with languages, but now a days, Muslim is the word used as Muslims are the submitters to god
What proves that it was from Adam times ?
It's because God said so ?
He also that he'll punish 'abd Allah bnu abi al-Sarh' who wrote Quoran for Mohammad and later went out of Islam
I'm quite surprised, because for me, all the
- "Afala ta'qilun" (Will you not use your intellect?)
- "Afala yatadabbarun" (do they not then reflect?)
- "Afala Tatafakkarun" (don't you think?)
- "Afala tubshirun" (and in yourselves, don't you see?)
are actually the verses that bring me to Islam, the bold encouragement to be curious, to think, to be critical, to accommodate my curiosity, to learn, and alhamdulillah I found an ocean of knowledge in Islam, moreover I can still learn just about anything, I was born muslim (in the sense of religion, not fitra context) but there's agnostic kind of moment in my life and phase which I used to think that all religion is dull and dumb, but its no longer that way after I read the quran myself rather than presuming with prejudice (to justify my stance as agnostic) beforehand, anyway thanks for the video, it would encourage for those who seek the truth and start to be honest to themselves will actually begin to "think" about it, hopefully all my fellow agnostic found it as well, the ocean of knowledge that will satisfy your instinctual desire to learn, probabilistically speaking, it is us who lack the subject of field to understand a thing, lets say before I learnt software engineering my worldy point of view are so dull, I can't comprehend a thing or two, in the Islamic context there's alot that only revealed (in the sense of meaning) that only revealed to me after I finish my bachelor study, but the more subject I gather in different fields (psychology, math, algorithm), makes me exactly know that Islam is so vast, precise and amazing, Alhamdulillah, keep learning friends, learn every field and I suggest to not dwarf the idea and concept. open yourself to expandability.
"Do you not see how Allah compares a good word to a good tree? Its root is firm and its branches reach the sky." 14:24
here's the compiled in Indonesian translation (been in my notes for so long), the patterns that brings me to islam:
"Index berfikir" (index of thinking)
2:44, ...Maka tidakkah kamu berpikir?
3:65, ...Apakah kamu tidak berpikir?
6:32, ...Maka tidakkah kamu memahaminya?
7:169, ...Maka apakah kamu sekalian tidak mengerti?
12:109, ...Maka tidakkah kamu memikirkannya?
10:16, ...Maka apakah kamu tidak memikirkannya?
21:10 ...Maka apakah kamu tiada memahaminya?
23:80 ...Maka apakah kamu tidak memahaminya?
37:137-138 ...Maka apakah kamu tidak memikirkan?
11:51 ...Maka tidakkah kamu memikirkan (nya)?"
21:63-67 ...Maka apakah kamu tidak memahami?
36:62 ... Maka apakah kamu tidak memikirkan?
36:68 ...Maka apakah mereka tidak memikirkan?
2:242 ...supaya kamu memahaminya.
3:118 ...jika kamu memahaminya.
24:16 ...agar kamu memahaminya.
57:17 ...supaya kamu memikirkannya.
6:151 ...supaya kamu memahami (nya).
12:2 ...agar kamu memahaminya.
43:3 ...supaya kamu memahami (nya).
2:170 ...walaupun nenek moyang mereka itu tidak mengetahui suatu apa pun, dan tidak mendapat petunjuk?"
2:171 ...maka (oleh sebab itu) mereka tidak mengerti.
5:58 ...mereka benar-benar kaum yang tidak mau mempergunakan akal.
5:103 ...kebanyakan mereka tidak mengerti.
8:22 ...orang-orang yang pekak dan tuli yang tidak mengerti apa-apa pun.
10:42 ...mereka tidak mengerti.
10:100 ...orang-orang yang tidak mempergunakan akalnya.
29:63 ...kebanyakan mereka tidak memahami (nya).
49:4 ...kebanyakan mereka tidak mengerti.
59:14 ...mereka adalah kaum yang tidak mengerti.
25:43-44 ...apakah kamu mengira bahwa kebanyakan mereka itu mendengar atau memahami.
21:64 ...bagi kaum yang memikirkan.
30:24 ...bagi kaum yang mempergunakan akalnya.
45:5 ...bagi kaum yang berakal.
13:4 ...bagi kaum yang berfikir.
16:66-67 ...bagi orang yang memikirkan.
16:12 ...bagi kaum yang memahami (nya),
29:35 ...bagi orang-orang yang berakal.
22:46 ...mereka mempunyai hati yang dengan itu mereka dapat memahami atau mempunyai telinga yang dengan itu mereka dapat mendengar?....
30:28 ...bagi kaum yang berakal.
67:10-11 ..."Sekiranya kami mendengarkan atau memikirkan (peringatan itu)"...
Same! I would go to videos that question Islam to see other’s perspective and it encourages me to research further on my religion. Really helps to strengthen my faith.
@@jinxd8936 To be honest, the more people try to disprove Islam the more it proves Islam Is the Absolute Truth, here's the reason:
Islam has a lot of pre-emptive verses, anticipation verses which exactly reflect the current situation and I believe in any era before and after as well.
Those pre-emptive verses speak explicitly in detail regarding the criteria of a person who try to disprove Islam and what their doubts, their question and what's important is the answer is also there. that's just not something a human can even think of.
It's no wonder Qur'an are also known as The CLEAR Qur'an, I'm not a psycholog, but diving deep into qur'an makes me know myself better and can see the world with great clarity, the type of person and anticipate their behavior like a pure miracle, while in fact is, Islam teach me how to think, to make a reasonable deduction and everything. That's wondrous.
@@jinxd8936 It looks like you're in denial
well said!
if you blind... you will never see.
I have watched till 4:04, up to the moment you made your point. Though I understand the reason why you think so, I understood it differently because I’ve read the sirat nabawiya and specifically came upon this verse. The jews and christians were arguing amongst themselves about whether Abraham was a jew or a christian. The said verse was meant to tackle both sides as in: how can you argue that Abraham was a jew or a christian when the Torah (Moses, judaism) and the Gospels (Jesus, Christianity) came after Abraham, making the point that he was neither jew nor christian but a muslim. I want to make a little sidenote that according to islam all prophets and believers were muslims i.e submissives to the Allah. I’m very happy to hear your take. In the meantime I continue to watch the video.
All prophets were never Muslim. They were all Christian. They were sent by Jesus with hints of his name in what they said. Even muhhamed was a Christina before he was decieved and make Islam
He totally ignored the point of the verse
@@nabeelshaikh4404 what was the point of the verse then?
@@yojoyboy What?
All the prophets were muslim. Obviously they didn't pray 5 times a day, but that kind of things are not the true definition of being muslim.
Muslim means who submits himself to God. By the time, as per time & region, the rules & regulations have changed. But, the fundamental belief is the same bruh!
& Quran is not just a New book but a Latest Book. A latest book obviously dismisses past rules & regulations.
No one I know, Jewish or Christian, claims that Abraham was the first Christian or Jew. They cite sources from Torah and Christian tradition that he was a grain buyer from Ur. So a Mesopotamian. That's something! An ordinary businessman who comes up with the idea that there aren't many gods (like Enlil or Enki or Ishthar), but only one god who is responsible for EVERYTHING.
Mesopotamia's gods did not always agree. They bickered with each other, and if anything went wrong on Earth, it could be traced back to that bickering. But Abraham's ONLY God must not have argued with himself - and yet things often went wrong. Abraham must have said that to himself too. What did he invent to explain this? That God's will is incomprehensible, or that he has an adversary who constantly messes with his work?
Christians never claim that Abraham is Christian because Christianity all about following Christ. They believe Abraham as a father of all believers. Also Christians accept that they are derived from Jewish beliefs. As Abraham was the father of Jewish generations, Christians also accept that.
Yep, that's true
Christians do believe Abraham was a christian, who sacrificed a lamb and believed in a redemption in the future through jesus on the cross, that is my christian friend told me. Even the time gap between Abraham and jesus is more than 8000 years😂😂😂
@@Waffen_SS-q7c your friend doesn't know. Christianity is about following Christ. We acknowledge Abraham, but to say that Christians saying that he is a Christian is false. There were no Christians during Abraham's time. Period.
I think you are getting caught up in the wrong definition. That's all.
I do know this though, that mahamed was NOT a prophet :
allah SPOKE to Adam, Moses, David and other prophets, BUT allah NEVER spoke to mahamed.
mahamed NEVER did any signs
mahamed NEVER did any prophecies
mahamed was DECEIVED by SATAN
mahamed is NOT a prophet.
@@polokucoch8112: That means Prophet Abraham did not know the existence of Son of God😂😂?
@@Waffen_SS-q7c abdool!! We're talking about definition against timeframe... Are you a child? Do you understand what the issue was? 🤦♀🤦♀
Genuine question: Are you a kid?
Muslim here. I believe the verse can be interpreted as "Why do you claim that the teachings and practices revealed in the Bible and the Torah applied to Abraham when it was revealed long after him"?
Notice that the verse emphasizes the mention of the Books, not that Jews or Christians simply said Abraham was a Jew or Christian in the sense of the core belief. The books entail teachings and practices, which cannot be said to apply to all prophets because that is unknown to them as the next verse says.
You said, doesn't this apply also to the Quran, which came after Abraham? Well, where does it say in the Quran that it applied to Abraham? That Abraham fasted Ramadan maybe? We don't say that Abraham did exactly what the Quran says. That would be like saying Noah observed Eid al-Adha, which is illogical since Noah came long before that.. And Abraham came long before the Quran. We simply say that Abraham rejected paganism (Hanif) and believed and submitted to God (Muslim), not that he fasted Ramadan for example, which is exclusive to this Ummah.
As for the "why don't you use your intellect". This is a logical contradiction, one that doesn't require faith to figure it out, hence the use of "Intellect" (Aql) rather than "if you but believe". I don't see it condescending in any way. That's probably just prejudice from you.
P.S.: Supporting this from Hadith, at the second coming of Jesus, Jesus will rule with what was revealed to Mohammed and his teachings, as evident in Sahih Muslim ("He would lead you according to the Book of your: Lord (hallowed be He and most exalted) and the Sunnah of your Apostle (ﷺ).") Book 1, Hadith 299
Also in Sahih Muslim 156, Book 1, Hadith 300 : "I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: A section of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. He said: Jesus son of Mary would then descend and their (Muslims') commander would invite him to come and lead them in prayer, but he would say: No, some amongst you are commanders over some (amongst you). This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah."
"This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah." This about this for a second.. Each Ummah has it characteristics and blessings. But the Quran says, they all submitted to God (aka are Muslims).
And God knows best.
Jazakallahu khair bro and ramadan mubarak. Thank you for answering this ignorant man
As a muslim, you should Repent.
@@crusaderknight6928your name is crusader Knight? Yet your a muslim? And why should he repent? He refuted the contradictions of the quran? Or maybe I'm just stupid and you mean someone else.
And the EVIDENCE! for this sky fairy ‘God’ is? 😂🤣😂
@@anthonyharty1732 You'll see it yourself first hand. Don't worry 😉
Nice video, but one comment was incorrect. Christians don’t claim that Abraham was Christian.. Christ was not born then, so he would have be Jewish..
Judaism didn't even exist yet in his timeline even.......................
when the Quran says Abraham was not a jew or Christian is because its anachronistic to use these names based on people that lived thousands of years after Abraham. but the name Islam is not a name of an Arab tribe, but describes a characteristic of humans have who submitted to Allah since the time of Adam.
so it's anachronistic to say Abraham was a jew or chrstian, but its not anachronistic to say Abraham was a Muslim, because the bible itself describes Abraham as someone who totally submitted his will to god
@@homer1273 oh please… cmon now…. That’s your belief… a made up story based on no facts… you’re telling m,e that Abraham was a Muslim because he submitted to your god…? That’s your religion not mine… next thing your be telling me Abraham help his son Ishmael in building the kabba… what proof have you got of that..
Islam is nothing but made up stories and lies…
You wanna be telling me Abraham was Muslim because he submitted to god… load of rubbish…
Blatantly rubbish with no proof.. just here say stories… without lies Islam dies…. Go comment somewhere else please and don t preach Islam pack of lies and demonic Satan worship…
Muslims believe what they believe. Fair play to them. But please do not interfere with Judaism and Christianity that formed before Islam. The Islamic god Allah has his version of events which has been staying lies and deceit that Adam and Eve were Muslim and everything else after that (all the prophets) were Muslims. The lies and deceit about Abraham helping Ishmael building the Kabba are outrageous and insulting to Jews and Christian’s. It is lies and propaganda spread by no other than Satan himself. After all, Jews and Christian’s are the worst of all creatures, according to Allah (aka Satan). It just shows this is no other than Satan wanted to spread lies and destroy the real God Jews and gentiles people.
The real God of Abraham wants to save all mankind. The satanic god wants to kill Jews and Christian’s if they do not convert to his (aka Satan) religious cult.
So please, Islam is the only religion that wants to change our history and perspective of our bible.
Leave us alone and get on with your own thing…
@@homer1273
Totally submitted his will to which god and what is the name of that god? You are throwing away the fact that even before Abraham people worshiped different gods and give a reference of any known literature of or near this time that named the god that he worshipped.
So tldr you ignore the Quranic challenge made in 2:23-24 which the best poets could not complete, and the scientific miracles and historical miracles, and now your basically doing what the Christian missionaries do and that’s nit pick. Should the Quran rlly have to say in each verse it’s proofs?
This is literally nitpicking every verse with ignorance after every claim that the Quran is false has been refuted.
Brother thought he outsmarted every scholar of Islam and even regular muslims. I’m not scholar but I at least study my religion and understand it and research when the verses were revealed.
No doubt about it if you can mislead the ones in the comment the Dajjal will sweep up every disbeliever and weak believer.
So much yapping. The fact that you genuinely think there are irrefutable 'scientific and historical miracles' in the quran and that the quran itself can even remotely begin to stand up to any actual testing shows you've been living in a bubble. Mythical unproveable hogwash has no place in the real world and deserves no consideration. When a religion is founded on fear and abusive love & actively seeks to deter/punish detractors no one should ever give it any thought. It's disgusting. And regardless of its methods it's about as real as 'sperm coming from between the backbone and the rib'. Your comment screams 'I was raised with muslim parents/around muslims and I've never bothered to actually investigate my cultural nonesense.'
The condemnation of Islam was pronounced over a thousand years ago - with the words of the Quran and its interpreters.
Why does this intolerant religion still exist? Because it provides a convenient excuse for being allowed to rob, murder and oppress - justified by today's interpreters of Islam. ISIS was just one example of many.
I am NOT trying to claim that Christianity is even a bit better. The Patriarch of Constantinople's shit was sold to pilgrims as holy... Holy shit!
my guy
@@towhidalam9213 yea?
There is not a single miracle of any kind, scientific, or historical. Lmao. A good poet could write a book like the Quran, but they'd go to jail because that's illegal. Sound suspicious? It should.
Good day, brother!
1:14 is a bit strange, don't you think: The arabic word is not the one used in a Quran, seems like someone knows how to change the code of the page. You may want to check via link you attached :) "Do you not understand?" is the clear translation given below.
Anyway, let's go to the main part:
The verse is not explicitly stating that Jews and Christians cannot claim that Abraham was following their religion because the Torah and the Gospel were revealed later. Instead, the emphasis IS ON QUESTIONING THE BASIS for disputes and arguments about Abraham when those scriptures were not revealed during his lifetime.
The broader message in the Quran is to emphasize the unity of the message across different prophets and scriptures, particularly the oneness of God and the call to submission (Islam). While the verse challenges the disputations about Abraham's faith in light of the chronological order of revelations, it does not explicitly say that Jews and Christians cannot claim any connection to Abraham.
The Quran encourages recognizing the commonalities in the message of monotheism shared by the Abrahamic faiths and suggests a focus on the fundamental principles rather than unnecessary disputes. The aim is to foster understanding and unity among believers in God, regardless of the specific religious traditions they follow.
If you came up with thoughtful observation, I'm 100% sure that this explanation is clear enough for you to understand. (IF it's not, let me know, I have an explanation I use for the children ^^
Nice. Let's see if the channel can critically asses your comment.
If you believe that there is God, then you know that there will be a Judgement Day, and on that Day your "oh, I was waiting for the channel to critically assess the response" will not be accepted. You have a verse (you can use the link provided by channel), you have his argument and my response. What else do you need to critically assess them yourself?@@ARB6769
I literally never met a Christian who claimed Abraham was a ''Christian''. This sounds like a Muslim projecting.
I bet they misunderstood the argument Paul makes in the Bible, stating that Abraham's promise was fulfilled in Christ.
I don't think any Christians think Abraham was a Christian. So if no Christians think that, why is Allah attacking an argument nobody makes? The Christians and Jews don't argue over Abraham. They argue over who the Messiah is. You'd think Allah would know this pretty basic thing
Wtf are you talking bout? Yes we believe Abraham is a Christian?😂
Did you live 1400 years ago
That argument started before 1400 years ago
The prophet heard some Christian and Jew arguing about this,
So god revealed this verse
Nobody say this argument NOW, but before they did
@SaadAlzhrany ah so it came from the prophet instead of God. Makes sense. God would have known better
@@mikeymileos the verses in the Quran was revealed when an action happen
Like when the Muslim are at war god will reveal the verses of war to the Muslim so they know what to do
But you didn’t know that, and because you don’t understand you say the prophet wrote it, when he can’t even read or write
@@mikeymileos of course god know
But the people are arguing about it
3:10 The term Muslim quite literally just means submission to the Will of God, Abraham submitted his will to God as did the other prophets. The Torah and the Gospel were brought up because the Christians/Jews go by and follow that book, here is the claim saying that no such scripture was revealed to him at the time. All Abraham was the original message, which still made him a Muslim
Being Jew or Christian means to follow the Teaching of Moses or Jesus Peace be upon them both, and these teaching were not around during the time of Abraham PBUH
For 6;15 I don't understand the argument you're putting up very well, if you know how God speaks throughout the Quran you'll realize that the line "He knows what you do not" is used a lot, it shows his wisdom and his everlasting knowledge. Also, there are many signs in the book, and those who are ignorant when faced with them are those being punished, fear is a tactic that he knows drives Humans, but another thing that drives humans is rewards, Heaven and Hell. Also, having the verses separated from the rest of the context will obviously cause some confusion in you.
The point he's making is that all your claims about Abraham and other prophets for that matter, comes from a book which was revealed thousands of years later from their time.
Yet the Qur'an criticise the Jews and Christians misunderstanding of Abraham because their books were revealed many years after Abraham.
Don't you see the inconsistency here.
@Manu Lajo That's because Christianity and Judaism both depend on their Books, even in the meaning to their name they all stem from "In the Teachings Of" while Islam means "Submission to God" and Abraham Pbuh submitted himself to God
You can't derive teaching from what hasn't been revealed yet but even Abraham Pbuh followed Monotheism. Islam is the only religion where you don't need to believe in a Doctrine like believing there's 3 in 1 or 300 Million, just 1. Abraham submitted his will to One God, he was a Muslim.
When I read the Quran I missed that logical inconsistency... I wasn't able to really consider the logic given how the verse was basically just insulting non-muslims. It's kind of how you gloss over youtube comments written by a kid that start and end with insults.
Its not inconsistent. Considering Quran is coming from God, God knows the past and he can reveal what happened in the past in the present. This was also proven my a mulitude of verses that not even the bible/torah has or in cases where bible is straight up historically wrong and the Quran has the correct statement that will eventually be historically proven 1000 years later.
Also God is speaking in the quran. When Jews and Christians were making up stories of Abraham being a jew/christian that is purely lying in the name of religion which is blasphemy. Also also, God can insult whoever he wants and he has a good reason to insult them.
This guy assumes that people think the quran was a random revelation that Muhammad made up and that people would question these things. They didn't. Both jews and christians were aware of the miracles and the quranic narrative so this is why God is speaking with such confidence in the verses. Only fools would ignore the Quran when they are experiencing the miracle in front of their faces.
Jews and christians in the are mass converted during Islam's run.
its not insulting non muslims, it seems like it to u but if u read it in Arabic its not insulting, its a warning to people who put partners next to Allah. Dont know why u take it like that but bible and torah also from Allah and u will almost see the same to who who disobay god.
@@abdullahbinmadhi8306
The Qu’ran who allows to kill the apostats and the non Muslims, who encourages slavery, marriage with young girls, stoning, amputation, beheading……
@@abdullahbinmadhi8306 allah and islam are of the devil!!
Yeah go read samuel 13 5, You will find out the TRUE meaning of a kid's writing
It’s okay guys, he tried.. people don’t understand what “Islam” and “Muslim” means
Only muslims don't.
What does the definition have anything to do with this? A Sikh is a truth seeker, does that mean when they found Sikhism they found the truth?
Here's a logical argument against Islam/Koran/Momo: "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." - Anne Lemott on a totally different topic but applicable nonetheless.
Doesn’t make sense but ok
@@rebeuoriginel have you thought it thru? A God who hates? And it happens to be the same people you hate? What are the odds of all of that?
@@kaneinkansasI see you haven't read any of the Quran and or the Hadhiths. There are at least three examples where the prophet peace be upon him let live the people he hated. One was somebody who killed his uncle in the battle of Uhud, the other a defector who later became a Muslim on the conquest of Madinah, third, a woman who swore by God she didn't commit adultery and then birthed a fatherless baby. All three were let go, and the first one was told never to show his face to him again. Peace be upon him.
@@ryuzaki5491 Indeed, I have read the Koran and Hadiths as I taught a unit on Islamic Jurisprudence for many years. Islamic Jurisprudence is reliant upon the Koran, the Sunna and the Hadiths to determine Islamic Law. But that is not the point. The point is, Mohammed hated and his God did too, and gave Mohammed license to kill the people he hated, and that . Period. End of story.
In Islam we see sanctioned hatred, deceit, death.
Judeo-Christians believe God is love and truth and embraces life and humility, love ;and truth - oh and paradox: he shames the strong and rich and violent with weakness, humility and peacefulness. As a result the Western (often Christian) view is that God loves all that he created, including all humans, and he gave us free will, so we can find our way, thru our own personal volition, to goodness and to God. God not only asks us to love our neighbor as ourselves, but love our enemies too and to pray for them. Why? Because God loves them too. God created them, and God loves his creation. If God did not want us to be free to find our own way to him in each of our own way, he wouldn't have given us Free Will, instead would have only created Muslims. Presumably, God has that power.
You should not presume I am a Christian or a type or kind of Christian, only that I am of the West and inherit Western thought.
But you should consider that to Christians, Islam and Mohammed are the anti-Christ and seemingly demonic - because it embraces hate, killing (of non-Muslims) and use of deceit. Also, Jesus is viewed as an expression of God's love for humanity. It is assumed that love is the ultimate elixir to sufferance - and that Jesus endures the massive amount of possible sufferance, in part, because the size (infinite) of his love for us. It is assumed that the more evil something is the less it loves or is able to feel and manifest love and to pray for those who do harm to us. This gets into the the crux of things. Islam's view of paradise is void of love, except or instead, it is presented as a sexual paradise. This is corporeal pleasure, not a manifestation of love. The Koran makes lots of mistakes about science and history and even religion - confusing Mary as being kin Moses and Lot, and tells stories related to the infantry gospel of Thomas. It also embraces deceit whereas the Gospels say Satan is the king of lies, and represents death, destruction, violence and hate.
There is the Islamic Dilemma - it upholds the validity of the Gospels, but the Gospels do not return the favor.
Then there is the theme of paradox. Muslims are hung up on logic, a very human thing, but logic is very simplex, more intriguing is paradox which is a huge theme in Christianity. God attacks hate with love, strength with weakness, greatness with humility, and so on. It is in giving that one receives, it is in pardoning we are pardoned. and it is in dying that one is born to eternal life. Much of Christianity is counter intuitive to Muslims because of paradox, but the Christian God seems to like paradox.
@@ryuzaki5491 "but have you read the hadiths which was written by biased Muslims though" smh
This video just strengthen my Iman thank uu brother ❤
Seriously you Muslims are like bots;)
@@tgstudio85
I'm afraid you're wrong, robots only follow logical things and admit that when they don't have answers, Mu5l1m5 don't even jokingly do that because they are simply blinded by their evil faith.
2:46 *Christians claimed that Abraham was a christian? No way.* Throughout history they have always been clearly aware of the difference btw the old & the new testament, the old & the new covenant. *Useful work, otherwise.* Keep that critical mind! *You're doing an awesome job.*
The famous verse of peace 5/32 is a copy of the Jewish Talmud = the Book of Rabbis.
@@twnb7733 《whosoever destroys a single soul of israel, scripture imputes [guilt] to him as though he had destroyed a complete world; and whosoever preserves a single soul of israel, scripture ascribes [merit] to him as though he had preserved a complete world.》 _(wikislam, Parallelism: Sanhedrin 37a)_
@@twnb7733 yeah... the Q, a boring hodgepodge of Jewish and Xtian texts/tales + a Zoroastrian sexual paradise, full of repetitive threats, violences, incitements to death.
@@rv5188 Yes, “the children of Israel “is mentioned 32 times in the Quran. No mention of any Palestinian ( philistine from the Crete. A white!)
@@twnb7733 I'm not really into the Palestinian stuff but I see their situation as obviously terrible---and horrific: these people are suffering unnecessarily - mainly because they are being hijacked by their own power-hungry "leaders".
As a conservative American who was raised Christian, Alhamdulillah for this video for strengthening my imaan
and how is allah real?
@@ViralChimp. I’ll give you an explanation but first may I ask what your belief system is? I only ask to answer in the most comprehensive way possible.
@@acogjefe4769 I am Christain
@@acogjefe4769 I am a Christian, and I also own a quran, so don't tell me to read it. I already have
@@acogjefe4769 but please, don't just ignore me like all other muslims
The verse is criticising the Christians and Jews for debating whether or not Abraham was Christian or Jewish. Allah is saying how can Abraham be a Christian or Jew when the texts that Christianity and Judaism are based on (I.e. the Gospel and Torah respectively) came after Abraham. To be a Christian you must follow the Gospel, how can Abraham follow the gospel if it came after him, which means that he cannot be Christian. The same applies to Judaism. For Abraham to be Jewish he must have followed the Torah, although he couldn’t because the Torah came after him. Allah says, rather he was a Muslim (literally meaning he is in submission to God) since you do not have to follow the Quran to be Muslim, rather you must submit your will to God alone and do not associate partners with him.
Christians and jews have never claimed Abraham was either christian or jewish, but that he was a patriarch or ancestor of the Israelites. The verse tells a pointless lie to begin with.
Christians didn't give a shit for what jews or arabs said about Abraham, unless they accepted Jesus as their Christ in the first place, which they didn't. God wouldn't need to tell lies and nonsense, therefore allah can't be God and was only invented by dishonest or misinformed 7th century arabs, who told lies and nonsense about people they didn't even know. Shame.
Islam again self defating
@@yrig6834 i got u , yeah he is a Muslim if it means fearing and submitting to real god , but if it means following Muhammad than it's completely wrong.
U guys say to your self that someone can't be a Muslim until they follow the Quran . According to islam , gods will is pretty much following Quran 😂 😂
thank you for this
@@Saif-y6x whom me?
4:14
in the quote it says "last resort". last resort to what? what are they trying to achieve by burning the old copies?
@@babotond we burn old copies because, would you throw something holy in the garbage or on the floor for it to be stepped on? No you wouldn’t , so we burn it to it turns into ashes and it becomes normal ash and nothing holy
something that i think is worth mentioning is related to what you said in regards to preservation. why did allah allow so many prophets to have his message knowing that they would corrupt it and cause other religions to form from it? allah never fails to mention how he despises other religiona even though he was responsible for their formation. not only that but he created a system where anyone that rejects islam goes to hell! he knew this would happen in advance but planned it anyway! thats insane!
Quite sadistic and illogical coming from a supposedly all-knowing, just, and merciful god
The entire idea of an omnipotent being who simultaneously wants us to be free while also following his explicit commandments doesn't make any sense at all. If god wants us to act in a certain way, either he's insanely cruel and we're his play things (puppets) that he has total control over (including all phenomena and other belief systems), or he's extremely incompetent.
He's also responsible for all of the suffering in the world, and our ability to feel it as suffering. If you believe god is omnipotent and monitors our thoughts, feelings for anything that might go against his teachings, while at the same time believing that he has supreme command of every aspect of the universe you leave yourself with the two possibilities above; either he's insanely stupid and inept, or he's a cruel benevolent dictator type.
Also, why would god reveal himself exclusively to illiterate peasants in the desert who lived conveniently in a time and era where human knowledge was relatively poor and largely communicated via word of mouth? And why not reveal himself to a culture that had long established collectively sourced knowledge and had widespread written history (China)?
Again, none of it makes much sense if you don't assume it's divinely derived.
Well I guess it just shows that 'Allah' is really just a person with grievance...i.e Muhammad et al
Allah is the worst of planners that's for sure😆
Just because God knows doesn't mean he facilitated man causing corruption on earth. Man is given free will to be a witness to himself.
Qur'an 2:30 "˹Remember˺ when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to place a successive ˹human˺ authority on earth.” They asked ˹Allah˺, “Will You place in it someone who will spread corruption there and shed blood while we glorify Your praises and proclaim Your holiness?” Allah responded, “I know what you do not know.”"
Mistake number 1: At first you mentioned that, "Quran in not proven that this is the word of God". I mean really? There are videos that are still whatched by critians in the youtube about that topic, about the miracle of Quran (scientific, Historic and poetic). Even Dr. Zakir made CDs (maybe even before your birth). Just cheak that out first! You are wrong in the beginning of Video man!
Mistake number 2: 1:30 Read this verse and listen to what you just said. There in no Muslim word in this verse. Its so funny how you misquoat a verse.
Mistake number 3: 0:50 There are millions of muslims who memorise the whole Quran cover to cover. And millions of them study it everyday. Even a little boy from Bangladesh won the Quran competition in Dubai. Just research a little.
And you trust a scripture that doesnt even preserved in Jesus language which was aramaic. And ciriticize about Quran, thats so funny.
Lets jump to your point:
You should know that, this verse was revealed when jews and cristans at that time where arguing about Ibrahim (As).
Some claiming Ibrahim (As) was jews or cristain. Where Ibrahim was beliver in one GOD. In Arabic we call it Islam. Allah just responded with this verse.
Even Christian nowadays follow the trinity which not what Ibrahim believed. So Ibrahim was a muslim (in submission to GOD). All the prophet (As) preached the same. So, Quran is answering back their childish aurgument to use some intellect.
I think its applicable for you too as you just side-tracking like a child. Also, how on earth adult like you belive like GOD in three in one, GOD became a human like you and even getting killed. Now even says, these three are equally powerful where jesus said, my father is greater than I, My father is greater than all. So you don't use your own reasoning and tell God to use reason and speak like you? It's laughable.
To challenge Islam is an important job.
What makes it so important? Is it because it's the only religion that makes u feel unsure about urs why just Islam what about all the other millions of religions out there do u all agree & just differ with Islam then that makes it only 2 religions
@@travisbenson5006 Islam is the only ideology still trying to replace the freedom, laws, cultures and intelligence of all people anywhere with backwarded arabic cultism, folklore and delusions from the 7th century. I don't even call it a religion anymore.
@@travisbenson5006you can research that people who challenged Allah got punished heavy
@@Random_guy_on_youtube85858 indeed
@@Random_guy_on_youtube85858mate, there are thousands of videos on youtube of broking there stupid logics. and why he is doing this islamophobes things for sure money!! before come to arguing with me he has member on his channel
And earning from that and absolutely from ads as well
He is earning good amount of money by doing this so why not?
All very valid points, and things I never realised or questioned when I was a believer despite how obvious they should have been. When you read a scripture through the eyes of someone who takes its absolute truth as a given, even the most illogical bits of it can seem profound!
the human race is now smart enough to know that the square root is minus one is a number and someday we will understand that 1 plus 1 iz 3 and 7. it is so beautiful.
What points?
And when u read a scripture through de eyes of a HATER and a MOCKER even de most logical bits of it can can seem illogical or superficial.....
@@zehravesile You are right Zehra, it's almost as bad to approach a scripture with pre-existing prejudice or to approach it looking for faults. The best thing to do is approach it objectively and with an open heart and mind, and be willing to accept its good parts and bad parts. And that is very difficult to do when you already take it as absolute truth. I certainly don't hate Islam or the Qur'an, I was a believing Muslim for 32 years. I acknowledge it has some beautiful parts, and some terrible parts. And if anything, that is the biggest testament to its very human origins
@@TheEnlightenedRebel
What points?
I don’t know of any Christian who claims Abraham was a Christian. Never the less, good video!
The Quran never said they claim Abraham was Christian. The Quran is saying ALL who submit to the creator, as Muslim, No sects, All true followers of the creator, are one. An inclusive defining of followers of the creator.
And the Islamophobes try twist it. While they keep supporting the genocide against Muslims by Nato nations. Then cry Muslims are the bad guy when they fight back.
For the muslims Abraham was a muslim😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Abraham was not a Muslim or a Jew . Christianity and jewdaism are after Abraham . Christians never say Abraham is a Christian.
Abraham the way he pray there's nothing there no idol or what else he pray alone
@@Girlie-vt9fk are you saying Abraham is a Muslim?
As an atheist and an epistemologist, I feel the need to point out that the general word "muslim" and the specific term "Muslim" are used interchangeably in Islam. The word itself means "one who submits (to the will of God)" [meaning: to what is "right"]; and was used prior to the establishment of Islam. Muhammad did not invent the world "muslim", he simply co-opted it and those that the word could be applied to. While the current world generally understands that the usage of "Muslim" indicates a follower of Islam, within Islam it is used in both the modern and historical sense.
As an atheist, you should Repent.
@@crusaderknight6928 As an Athiest I acknowledge there is no reason to.
@@Anon0nline Read Romans 1 and John 1, atheism is only temporary.
@@crusaderknight6928 “The eye patch is a constant reminder that others don’t see the world the same way we do. Not yet, at least.” - The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
@@Anon0nline Your mockery is exactly what the Bible describes this generation, and it's truly sad.
Sent thousands of prophets to as many lands but, recognises only two religions of the middle East propogated by his two of those thousands of prophets. How did the other religions go wrong although those prophets were also sent by Allah? Did Allah also err in this?
Imagine sending 100,000 prophets for your religion and you still can’t get your point across. Then your final prophet is illiterate.
Don't ask them who wrote quran. Because it wasn't ummayd but some pixie magic
@@jtj1295 😂 yep! it was a bunch of dudes
😐😐
@@LennyChildOfJesus actually that’s your “bible” your Bible was chosen by a group of people who would choose what books were apocrypha and what books were good too keep. Also here’s some Christian math just for gigglez. 1+1+1=1
Makes sense right!? 🤦🏼♂️
@@Engineer9921 Looks like moslems just can't use intellect. If you are a son of your father, husband of your wife, father of your children, you are arguably three different things, yet still only one, or 1+1+1=1 (Prof. Dr. Bart Ehrman on Trinity). But after nonsensical logic from the brains of moslems, you were therefore either three gods or you can't be real.
Makes sense, right?
Oh wow, 1400 years later and this extremely smart RUclipsr just happened to disprove Islam, what are we ever going to do now…I definitely haven’t heard such claims before, we’re doomed….🤦♂️
Oh wow, 2800 years later and this unsubstantiated arabic cult nonsense couldn't even disprove the Iliad and Zeus.
There is no need to disprove Islam, as there is no need to disprove Lord of The rings or Harry Potter.
Don't cry
@@tgstudio85 good excuse for not even trying
There's only one true god, but He is not the author of the Koran. I mean, common. Why write such a book with contradictions, horrible teachings, the abuse of women, the abuse of slaves, the abolishment of adoption and many other things and call it "Guidance, from We who is most Merciful"? Yeah....
Ok. So why follow the bible where Noah has slept with 40 minors. Example is the gospel of rebecca. She was 3 when she was married to Noah. Ok so you talk about "horrible mistreat of women" when in the Quran it litteratly states to value women as equally to men. If you have any sources tell me them and ill gladly explain them to me, and so can you with Noah.
Brother learned Quran and it’s context from BBC news
@@mafuzurrahman6573 well that's all the IQ of islamophobes can support
you proved his point LMAOOOO , he literally said "then they come at you saying ur ignorant without giving the reason why"
@@Madara_Uchiha69420 Abraham pbuh was a prophet, served and worshiped one true god, paid alm taxes. Which is the definition of a muslim. Muhammad pbuh was a prophet, served and worshiped one true god, paid alm taxes. Which is the definition of a muslim. so yes, Abraham was a muslim, like Muhammad pbut. Not a jew or christian. There is too much ignorance and hatred in this apostate aladdin's heart.
@@mahaimhaque629where’s the proof Abraham was a Muslim ? Lmao , Abraham never set foot in Arabia
@@Jomgg well, I don't have a time machine to take you back to Abraham to show you he prayed to one true god. LMAO
“They always try to extinguish the light of Allah (Islam) with their mouths, but Allah continues to perfect His light, even though the disbelievers don't like it.”
Have you noticed why Islam is attacked but it still continues to grow? This has been going on for the last 1400 years but they failed miserably. If any religion was attack like Islam is being attacked, it would have collapsed ages ago. So keep attacking it, mocking it, Or even twisting it. There will be more people learning Islam 😅
Imagine following a religion because it's "popular". You know what else continues to grow, atheism. Do you believe atheism is the correct choice ? There's a reason why Islam doesn't die, and it's certainly not because it's the truth. Jesus is Lord ✝️.
John 14:6-7 ESV
[6] Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [7] If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
@@DillaDonuts and how its becoming popular? Why Islam becoming popular instead of Christianity? Lol u straight up saying they follow a religion because its popular, which is not true. Yes maybe some of them, but most of them becoming Muslim because its the Truth.
But let me tell you this, u wanna know how its becoming popular? Because it was attacked, the more they attacked it (try to stop it), the more its becoming popular. Strange isn't? They burning it, the results still the same. They mocking it, the results still the same. Even they put lies upon it, the results still remain the same.
“They plan, and Allah plans. Surely, Allah is the best of planners.”
(Quran 8:30)
I dont believe in paul, i believe the bible itself is corrupted. I think jesus in Islam is more logical. Ur not really following Jesus, u following urself, or the church. So u do yours, i do mine. The Return of Jesus is the last chances for you to becoming a Muslim. Allah guide whom he wills
Now i leave you here with this, even if you reply im just gonna ignore u because im done here. Here i gave you some verses from the Quran;
“And (for) their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Maryam, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but (another) was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.” (4:157)
“I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.”
(Quran 5:117)
“And they said: “The Most Merciful takes (has) son.” Indeed, you have brought something very outrageous, the heaven and the earth almost split because of that speech, and the mountains collapsed, because they claimed that God had a son. And it is not worthy for the God to take (have) a son. There is no one in the heavens and the earth, but will come to the God as a servant. INDEED IN THAT ARE SIGNS FOR A PEOPLE WHO REFLECT.” (Maryam: 88-93)
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!(Galatians 1:8)
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's. clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
Read the Bible sister
@@Winxwinx7 I believe the gospel they have today is not the original gospel that was revealed to Jesus. And I believe Muhammad is the last prophet of God
This guy’s argument makes no sense whatsoever. Even a child could tell you muslim means one who submits to god so when the Quran says Abraham was not a Christian or a Jew but rather a muslim it means he submitted to one god and called the people towards monotheism. How this ‘disproves’ Islam is beyond me😭 Maybe learn some Arabic before making videos like these so you actually have some credibility rather than relying just on English translations ❤
Yeah, because the jews and Christians weren't monotheists
Or the many many religions that are also monotheist.
I would reccomed learning more about other belief systems
@@ebnomarabdullh4866 Except Christians are monotheists. There theology is carefully worded to avoid multiplying Gods. Insisting otherwise discredits Islam
This is a bad argument Muslim means someone who submits to your god not ours we do not have the same god
6:50
I want to say some things after learning about Islam. I don't understand what you mean by saying that critical thought is intolerated in Islam. If doubt wasn't allowed in Islam, then why isn't there a single case in which when a question was asked to Prophet Muhammed on Islam that he said 'That is haram' or 'This doubt is not allowed in Islam' or leaving the question unanswered? Whenever Prophet Muhammed was asked a question on Islam, he answered it there itself without hesitation be it whoever asked the question.
Another thing I want to point out is the criminally underrated Muslim Thinkers during the Islamic Golden age. Whilst most of them were polymaths, they have partaken in Islamic Philosophy such that they have brought up contributions to the field of philosophy. Philosophy was a field that had grown on the basis of one thing: Understand the world by questioning and doubting what we know. Lack of this is insufficient to becoming a philosopher. If such were the case, why weren't they against philosophy? Heck, why didn't even a single one of them left Islam? The best example of a Muslim philosopher who wasn't a Skeptic but applied skepticism into a wide range of topics including Islam is Al-Ghazali. He was known as the 'bane of philosophers'. I bet he would be one of the worst nightmares of Islamophobic interlocutors today. Reading his works and what he had done often made me kind of fearful of the person. Like if he was here right now sitting right next to me, he would correct over a 100 mistakes I make that I wouldn't see. His spiritual knowledge and intellectual knowledge is sooo vast that his teachers reffered to them as 'a sea one could drown in.' No wonder Rene Descartes was inspired by Al-Ghazali to develop his Cartesian Skepticism.
And these Muslim thinkers didn't embrace knowledge for the sake of wealth or fame, religion was a sole purpose behind that.
Ibn Sina focused on medicine (who eventually would go on to write 'Canon of Medicine', which would serve as the standard textbook for medicine in Europe till the 18th Century) because of the hadith 'No disease is incurable.'
Ibn Khaldun, regarded as the father of economics and demographics (whose economics theories that predate Adam Smith's are still superior to) focused on History because of Allah telling the Muslims in The Quran to think and question about what their forefathers did.
Al Kwarizmi, father of algebra, developed the branch of mathematics because there wasn't such a field at the time for calculating the inheritance of wealth at the time.
As a Muslim... honestly... I tried to think this through very deeply. As you read the passage at first: "Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian; he submitted in all uprightness and was not a polytheist." At first, I didn't see any issues with it until you pointed out the issue and I immediately slapped/face-palmed my head pretty hard.
The actual meaning of a Muslim, is one who submits. In the context of religion, one who submits to God. Within a post-Muhammad-religious context it would usually mean someone pertaining to specifically the religion of Islam (as we know it today).
So when you say the Quran is ACTUALLY saying that Abraham was like a follower of Muhammad, I'm actually no longer confused as to why you apostated. It's unfortunate but it is what it is.
Because you like to make fun of Islam here n there, I'd like to say for the record, and answer the Quran's question on your behalf, no you clearly have not used your intellect here. The LEAST you could of done was literally read the actual translation you posted on your own video 1:30. Instead you literally read it as "submissive Muslim" maybe you should say Submissive Submitted? Which in Arabic is almost like saying Muslim twice? Muslim literally means someone who has submitted. So saying Abraham submitted to God, is a mistake apparently? Lol, sorry but you got to do better.
What upsets me more is looking at the comments of this video agreeing with you, ignorance is bliss. But I can't complain, how are English speaking Atheists supposed to notice your blunder, when even some Arabic speakers wouldn't pick up on it or take notice. I myself don't even know Arabic fully, but I picked up on it. The translation LITERALLY was the cheat code and it just went over your head. I pity the fool(s).
I think you just skipped rest of the video after a certain point. Therefore i suggest you watch it entirely because you have missed the main point.
@@bojonaik watched it all. If I missed anything you should reply it. Not ask me to watch it again.
Yknow it’s actually crazy cuz I thought he might have been making a good point… and then I was like wait what that didn’t make any sense. I rewatched the video to see what he was actually getting at, and finally understood that he has absolutely no idea the Islam actually started with Adam (A.S.)
This also means that he doesn’t know what happens to babies that die due to cancers and so on by the will of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ).
Honestly it’s crazy that apostates try to challenge the Quran with some moral or ethical standard. Like you produce a book even in your language that completely alters the entire scope (i.e., creates an entirely new genre of literature) while creating new words and phrases that are unambiguous and perfectly understood by everybody, and also remains at the highest level of eloquence from an objective standpoint.
Moslems have never existed in reality, before arabic pagans invented Islam in the 7th century. No one before this human tragedy had ever claimed to be a moslem in human history.
What deluded medieval Arabs wanted to tell otherwise to themselves has no bearing on reality. There was no true connection at all between Abraham and arabic 7th century pagans.
This video is useless, the arguments are all terrible.
All this video did was create fitna. Be ashamed.
What's Ur point?
@@LockOnInc did you read the comment that is quite literally, rather than metaphorically or figuratively, before your eyes? the arguments suck and it created fitna, and it is shameful. 50% verbatim what was just said
You did not disprove anything feom it.
@@JanMiddeke-uu4or ill make a video
@@JanMiddeke-uu4or If you know the deep Principles of Islam, yes critical thinking!. Then you would've known that all of the views this man came up with are illogical and doesn't make any sense...
However if you want answers then thankfully the reply section have them.
Hi brother. Let's start with this. The biggest mistake that people make is believing that it's a favor on God for them to believe, to the contrary it's a favor on us if God opens our chest to believe. The problem with your argument is that you assume that by the Arabic word Muslim it's referring to a "religion". He's addressing the people that have taken the "way of life" this system of guidance that was sent down before and then they broken it up into "religion". Instead of viewing the untranslated word Muslim as a religion translat it to English as you have the rest of the verse. Then you would see that he's saying that Abraham was not a Jew, (which was a nickname that the people refer to the followers of Moses after him that later became a "religion" called Judaism), nor was he a Christian, (which again was the nickname given to the people that followed Jesus and later was considered a "religion") , but he was a truly in the state of submission to the will of God. Which is what the Arabic word Muslim would translate to in English. And he was not one who was associated partners with God meaning he worship God alone. If you have read the entire Quran then you would see that throughout it constantly tells us that this way of life recommended by God is one way of life and that's submission to his judgments. Understanding that man is the one that he gave free will to. Example you don't have to teach a horse how to be a horse or to do things that horses do because they don't have free will. Man on the other hand we do have free will and with that free will is easy to incline to our emotions or our judgments and misjudgments. Just a touch on why the Quran what makes sense to be uncorrupted is to understand that everything that has a beginning also has an end and if God is truly a just God then it would only make sense for him to allow that the truth gets preserved before the day of judgment. If you looking for a sign you can see the sign and the fact that no matter what language is translated to you can always refer back to the original language because most of the time it's there with each translation. Another sign would be the fact that there are literally millions of people that have memorized this book from beginning to end. I agree with you that some or maybe even more than some don't understand its meaning that's between them and God. Yet still the word itself is there and if someone misquotes it, they are quickly corrected. And finally there's no arrogance in God he allows people pray to other than him, not believing him at all, not care to do good in this life etc yet he's still gives them blessings in this life the blessings of life itself with the law that he gives men what they strive for. And yet the evil people and the disbelieving people those who associated partners with God and those who didn't believe in him will deserve misery in the next life to come because they failed the test of this temporary life. And they forgot about the day of judgment One last note that really refers back to what I started with if one closes their heart and chooses to disbelieve God don't need us. He leaves that person lost and his word don't become clear to them yet when one strives to believe then he starts to open his word up to them and starts to make it clear and then he gives them the light to walk through this life with. If it's confusing to you then maybe it's because you're looking to be confused as opposed to looking to be guided. Peace!!!!
Lol man I really can't understand how we are having these arguments in 2023 with our advanced technology😆. If u actually STUDY u will realize that islam was created as a COUNTER FORCE against Christianity which was the dominant power of that region and time, hence why Christianity is one of the the main focuses in islam lol. Both "religions" are COLINIAL SYSTEMS under the DISGUISE of spirituality. Christianity under the Europeans and Islam under the Arabs. Theres a reason why CONQUEST AND CONVERSION is their number 1 priority, NUMBERS/MAN POWER!💯. Hence why they BOTH are at the top of the food chain now lol🤷♂️. Once they conquer a region they completely destroy its native culture and replace it with theirs, this is called COLONIALISM my friends lol🤷♂️.
Proud EX muslim😉😊🙏
Agreed, some of these people are just making a fool of themselves and think it's alright to make a show of peoples beliefs. They will get it back at them big time..
If Abraham was not a jew, what was he? *What was his religion* ?? Are you going to say that he was a Muslim? But that cannot be, because Muhammad said that he was the first Muslim! (Quran 39:12).
@@Herman47 true! Abraham was a believer in god himself thus proving the word uprighteness.
@@Herman47 Muslim simply means someoen who submits to God, "And I have been commanded to be the first [among you] to submit." is also part of the verse your referring to
I've never ever seen any christian saying Abraham was christian, or anyone else that came before Jesus either.
It's One of the false claims Quran makes about former scriptures
Like
Uzaih translated wrongly as Ezrah was the son of God by Jews is that true?
The God is not a father, Jesus is not son of God because God can't have a son without a wife.
Any bible for that.?
You see errors in claims never does bible say God has a wife?
Because it wasn’t called that because Jesus wasn’t born in earth yet
@@MakaiJohnkennethQuran is hard to translate to other languages other than Arabic, almost all translators would be inaccurate. So it should be recited in Arabic
That's true how can he be a Jew when he is their grand children and how can he be a christian when it comes with coming if christ.its nonsense
Like when Quran says the Jews say uziaih translated falsely as Ezrah is the son of God.
No where in History to date.
Then again it says Allah is a father to no one and how can Allah have a Son when he has no wife.
This again is nowhere in bible that God is a father and has a son because he has a wife.
It's Quran saying so.
So Allah the all knowing gives message in a language people can't translate yet we should follow it? That's why the learned ones lie to the 99% who are ignorant of Arabic.
It should then have been for Arabs alone who despite claim it's clear in Arabic has turned out to be a night nare with one verses translated into ,4 meanings.
Ooooooh all wise Allah
My personal beliefs is if God had truly written a book himself for Mankind guides it be so as that everyone person individually would have their own book for them. And only the owner of the books can read the pages. To everyone else beside the owner, it will look like a blank piece of paper
God sent down the verses. It is his word, but new testamente of the bible or hadith that Muslims follow are not from God.
OK but he didn't, so what now? You want to go to hell for eternity, cause God does what he wills and doesn't follow your idea of how God should reveal his religion to the world? lmao grow up
@lakschu629 the only one going to hell is you. For thinking you authority to damn me to hell. How about stfu if you can't see into my heart
We are in a test in this life. We haven't signed up for notes to handed over to you personally. If everyone gets the word of God means everyone does believe in it and then everyone ends up in paredise, so whats the point.
@Linah220 wrong its humans inspired by the Holy Spirit. pick up the words from God like he's the signal and they were the attenas.
Your point 5 minutes in really resonated with me. I'm an atheist, always have been, but fairly recently a friend told me I was ignorant for asking questions. Not about a religion either, but about a political thing. I'm seeing more and more the evolution of politics into tribalism, and tribalism into blind faith in political leaders. It's worrying
Blind faith in political leaders has always existed, but the current political thing is to have intolerance at the same time for other people who have faith in other political leaders. Imagined moral superiority turning into a willingness to persecute other viewpoints and ignore long-established norms that preserve political diversity. Which is something with dire consequences as demonstrated by the former Communist bloc.
The problem is that any sort of extreme ideology tends to become its own religion. Followers typically respond badly to this conclusion, but that tends to prove its validity. Far left/far right politics have literally every single hallmark of a cult. Their leaders are idolized like gods, their dogma is unquestionable in any way and doing so will incite violence. Anyone who's not on their side is the enemy (who isn't for us, is against us) and they believe they hold a monopoly on absolute truth and justice. That's a religious cult. No two ways around it.
If the extreme conclusion of any political ideology inherently becomes a cult, the moderates on either side are simply the less problematic followers. But they ultimately still believe in their side's core tenets. They have the same arguments as moderate christians or muslims, like "yeah but there are good things in it too", leading to the assumption that all of the bad it brings doesn't matter, as long as it does some good alongside it. Politics are as inherently toxic and dangerous as any religion. Unfortunately that also leads to the uncomfortable conclusion that we're all living in some sort of theocracy. Religion rules the world just as much, if not more so than it did in the dark ages. It dictates law and actively persecutes those who don't submit to it. The best and only thing you can do is keep your head down and pretend to be a moderate. The alternative invariably means being publicly vilified, potentially imprisoned or worse. You lose your rights when people realize you see politics and politicians for what they really are. There really is no faster way to make a lot of enemies.
@@DefectivePieceofChalk You're spot on there, and great choice for youtube character! Have you seen the new series?
Yeah I remember writing this comment, it was about the more left-leaning people in my life. Since I wrote it, some of those friends have on their own abandoned their in-groups, feeling that the communities they were in were no longer 'safe spaces'. It's sad, because with this cult-like angle all political groups take, comes the sacrifice of the individual.
And I know individualism might be a more right-wing thing but deep down we all want to define ourselves. I spoke to someone about gender for example the other day and she said her gender identity was the only solid thing she knew about herself. These costumes we wear, the masks, the categories; it's all a way of discovering yourself.
But when you slot that discovery into a group, and that group wants you to be defined ONLY by those discoveries, it very quickly becomes a dehumanizing, spiralling game of who fits the group the best. Questions are unwelcome, dissent is met with ridicule, doxxing, bullying, and sometimes violence.
I consider myself incredibly privileged to have friends who can sit and talk about comedy, for example, without deciding they are the ultimate moral authority on what you can and cannot joke about. I've seen that happen increasingly in the arts and it is thoroughly depressing, this suffocation of expression under the guise of 'kindness' that in reality, only serves to silence people for whom dark comedy is not just a fun night out, but a much-needed release.
Anyway, lots of points for one comment, I'll leave it there. Thanks for replying dude!
All the gods of religion are MAN-MADE!
When you look deep into nature and see what it reflects about the Creator, you begin to look outside the Universe.
Google: The Parasitic Fly that kills the Fire Ants.
America has been inundated by Fire Ants in the past 50 years and cause billions of dollars damage.
By doing research in the lab, scientist traced their home base in Argentina, where their numbers are one tenth of those in America.
They observed the ants and saw tiny flies attacking the ants. What the flies were doing was laying eggs into the ant and flying away. The egg hatches and makes its way to the ant's brain and soon decapitates the ant and starts to feed off it. Soon it metamorphosis and breaks out to start the cycle all over again. Now Americans are bring these "aliens" to America and getting them to curb the numbers of Fire Ants.
Haven't you thought of Deism? God without religion. I mean the existence of a higher being is logical but religions could be man-made
I found these verses the other day and showed them to my mom expecting her to understand the problem with them, but instead I got illogical responses, trying desperately to defend the book that makes no sense. When you get too deep into the rabbit hole of islam, your blind belief blocks off the thinking part of the brain and activates mullah speech regurgitation.
Assalam aleykum. The verse is not explicitly stating that Jews and Christians cannot claim that Abraham was following their religion because the Torah and the Gospel were revealed later. Instead, the emphasis IS ON QUESTIONING THE BASIS for disputes and arguments about Abraham when those scriptures were not revealed during his lifetime.
The broader message in the Quran is to emphasize the unity of the message across different prophets and scriptures, particularly the oneness of God and the call to submission (Islam). While the verse challenges the disputations about Abraham's faith in light of the chronological order of revelations, it does not explicitly say that Jews and Christians cannot claim any connection to Abraham.
The Quran encourages recognizing the commonalities in the message of monotheism shared by the Abrahamic faiths and suggests a focus on the fundamental principles rather than unnecessary disputes. The aim is to foster understanding and unity among believers in God, regardless of the specific religious traditions they follow.
Very tragically very true. Start with apostate prophet's video on scientific inaccuracies in the quran.
The word "muslim" means submitter of god in arabic, it is true that the jews and christians have no claim to say Abraham was a jew or christian because the only thing he was, was a submitter of god, and the verse is assuming that Islam is the correct religion meaning he would have been muslim, so no problem here, leave your poor mother alone.
@@محمد678 Islam was not invented until the 7th century. Check your facts
@@محمد678 Islam was not revealed or invented till muhammad. 640 a.d thereabouts. Abraham was neither, Jew, Christian or muslim
If every Muslim read the Quran with a critical mind, there will be no Muslims left in Islam
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@@Stahlhalter you will be out soon unless your brain is clogged
20+ year's still a Muslim.
And have memorized the Quran with it's translation and tafsir... So you're the one without a brain cell
@@StahlhalterNo ,its facts 💯
@@huios974ive read the quran and memorized it and understood it and millions of people did that and we are the fastest growing religion so get ur fax right before speaking kiddo
Quran is the word of God and has been decreed long before Abraham was even born, and God knows everything, so it easily makes sense.
I still didn't get the argument!
U only hear what you want to hear
@adam909-j9phes not youre just brainwashed
@@LitoLochoss nope
I don’t have to disagree with you by watching this video. I just say Alhamdulillah for Islam and Iman that I have. May Allah guide me and all muslim until death and granted us jannah.
Mohammad order is 1 of fallowers to kill pregnant women Asma bint Marwan, so Allah chose criminal who can make decision to kill pregnant women 😂😂😂
8:51 glad to see that someone from far away with a similarly influenced but still different culture came up with the same term. Well, I call it "mental masturbation" and employ it against apologists too (among other comservatives). What a coincidence!
@Apostate Aladdin
3:37
This may just be a poor edit but you say he says, "DO you NOT use your intellect" yet you show in the image that it says "USE your intellect"
Those are completely opposite contradictive statements.
Can you understand how providing conflicting information can make you sound ignorant or foolish?
I'm sure the rest of what you have to say is accurate, but this right here can confuse people. I highly implore you fix it right away!
The word before it says "do you not". I should've made that clearer
@@ApostateAladdin thank you for noticing this.
But yes, you should definitely say exactly what you're posting as an image. Otherwise it can come off as confusing and contradictive.
"Do you not" and show an image that does not show the same thing you are saying can confuse many.
(Spoken) "Do you not use your intellect" VS (Text) "You use your intellect"
Thank you brother 👍
@@ApostateAladdin Bro 🤣
Just use your mind:
Allah says: O People of the Book! Why do you argue about Abraham, while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until long after him? Will you not reason?
So Allah encourages to reason when you see this sentence in arabic افلا تعقلون grab a pen and start putting yourself in the place of the pepole that Allah is talking with, so it is not providing straight to the point information but pushing you to actually reason.
Here Allah says to you a question if you are from the Pepole of the Book, the probable answer you will give is the Torah and Gospel are the words of God so i argue with them, now lets move on.
Allah says: Here you are! You disputed about what you have knowledge of, so why do you now argue about what you have no knowledge of? Allah knows and you do not know.
So Allah says knowledge you dispute on meaning what is in the Torah and Godspel, and what you have no knowledge of is what God did not reveale in the Torah and the Gospel, so why do you argue about what you have no knowledge of in the Torah or the Gospel and are not open minded.
Allah says: Abraham was neither a Jew nor a christian but a Muslim (submited to the will of Allah) in all uprightness. and was not of the polytheists.
Clearly Abraham is neither a Jew nor a christian from the Torah or a Jew from the Gospel, so why do you argue about him not being a Muslim or a submitter to Allahs will when you have no knowledge of it and just try to argue? Maybe he was?
Came here from your collab with Genetically Modified Skeptic, and I love what I'm seeing!
Why love critic of Islam when. When islam show good life while, Atheism is insane with LGBTQ, gender means nothing anymore to the point, man cn destroy woman in sport just by being classified as a woman
Same!
First off, I want to apologize in advance for the long post.
I think that these verses consider Abraham (or Ibrahim) a muslim based on the fact that he practiced complete submission to God (Islam).
The Quran claims to come to abrogate and perfect what this practice of submission entails. That doesn’t mean that previous prophet were not able to practice submission according to their best understanding at that time.
The “don’t you reason?” Or “don’t you have intelect?” Doesn’t feel like an insult, but a call to stop the fighting and reflect.
As a former Christian, the passage “I know things that you don’t” reminds me of God’s response at the end of the Book of Job. I wonder if that’s by design.
For these reasons, I think the message here COULD be considered to be effective.
I am not a muslim at the moment. I still see validity in your critique, though I disagree in the conclusions.
Again, apologies for the long post.
Aladdin I think a book shelf tour video would be a interesting short low key vid, possibly on this channel or your second. Also i really like the clean editing.
what it means to be a christian, jewish individual and muslim has a play in it. this is a bad example, but it's like how something like asexuality existed before there was a name for it. if by being muslim just means someone who submits to god, then yeah muslims were chilling before muhammad showed up. what were they even arguing about? where's the context? you can find ways round any verse, especially if you slap a "it's not literal" label on it. but what's the point? out of all the things god could have said to us, this is what we have to work with. it has to be important in some way, right?
LOL This guy is your intellectual? How Allah has humiliated you people. XDDDDDDDDDD
Major cope.
Allah sent over 120,000 messengers with messages. They ALL got either corrupted or lost.
Allah isn't qualified to be a librarian let alone a god
Ego. Coming from someone who came from the place of urine and made of soil. Your head is pretty high. We bow ours down 5 times a day whilst you stand, your comment and the heart that contains it suits you..
There is a reason because the earlier scriptures were either lost or corrupted due to lack of material
@@ishratara3519 yes we know that Allah lacks the ability to protect his words and books including the Quran.
Even uthman corrupted the Quran and burned all the other different Qurans
@@thenun1846 He burned the different dialects. I suggest you do some research
@@ishratara3519 so why are there still different "dialects"? We have over 10 qira'at TODAY, with close to 30 variants
I did my research and it's evident that Uthman played a big role in corrupting the texts. I recommend you do your research if you think it was the dialects that caused such a big issue that it needed a quraishi BBQ
The tone is really the same that daawa people uses, I remember how during islamic education we learned about Mohamed and Quran being the best example to eloquence and speech like : using exemples, "the aren't you using ur logic" method and using comedy (which you will find most of time very cringy and manipulative when u are listening to this type of speech after becoming critical). I like the video a lot and I would love to see more of this content!
You’re not critical. You’re just arrogant.
Lol man I really can't understand how we are having these arguments in 2023 with our advanced technology😆. If u actually STUDY u will realize that islam was created as a COUNTER FORCE against Christianity which was the dominant power of that region and time, hence why Christianity is one of the the main focuses in islam lol. Both "religions" are COLINIAL SYSTEMS under the DISGUISE of spirituality. Christianity under the Europeans and Islam under the Arabs. Theres a reason why CONQUEST AND CONVERSION is their number 1 priority, NUMBERS/MAN POWER!💯. Hence why they BOTH are at the top of the food chain now lol🤷♂️. Once they conquer a region they completely destroy its native culture and replace it with theirs, this is called COLONIALISM my friends lol🤷♂️.
Proud EX muslim😉😊🙏
Your logic is flawed prophet Ibrahim (as) WAS indeed a Muslim because a Muslim is the one who submit his will to allah try harder next time
It's funny how you're not skeptical of his arguments this makes this video even more ironic because he just keeps reaffirming the belief that the quran if false with the same erroneous arguments that get DESTROYED with just a tiny bit of logic
@@no-nz2op Its funny because these "ex-muslims" are mostly ex-muslims because Islam didn't suit their desires. And now they try to find something wrong with Islam but they can try so hard yet what they argue they have clearly no understanding of. It's sad seeing so many people believing such nonsense so blindly.
8:30. Here is a free English lesson. That sentence would be more intelligent and meaningful if it was, "You don't know anything". "Anything" is your word of the day.
I'm a Muslim, and I promise I'm not biased, I can take all the criticism trolls may want to throw at me for commenting on here, idc fr. But honest question, what was the flaw that we were supposed to see here?
In short, as the Quran states that the Jews and Christians should use their intellect and understand that Abraham is neither a Jew nor a Christian, the same logic should be applied to the claim that other prophets, who came before the revelation of the Quran, were Muslims.
@@solomonkiflu6774 ohhhhh okay I see now. Yeah, that makes sense. Thank you, much love bro.
My take on it would be this. I could say Muhammad, for example, was a prophet, but then someone else could ask, "how was he a prophet if 'prophet' is an English word, yet the English language didn't exist during his time?" To which I would reply, okay, he didn't literally refer to himself by the English word 'prophet', but he met the criteria for what the word 'prophet' entails, therefore I'm using modern language to describe an archaic occurrence, but that doesn't necessitate that the same rhetoric must be projected onto the tongues of the people of the past and we erroringly assume they literally used the same terms and expressions that I use. Of course they didn't literally speak the same way as me.
Likewise, one could say the prophets of the past couldn't have been Muslim because Islam as we understand it didn't exist yet, to which It could be said, okay, perhaps they didn't literally refer to themselves as Muslims, but they are described as such in the sense of being submissive to God in accordance with the law that was established during their respective eras, so by the Quran calling them Muslims, it was relating the accounts of ancient occurrences via the language best suited for the ear of the 7th century Arab.
But, that's just my opinion. Perhaps, some people prefer a more literal reading of the text. Everyone has there way I guess. Allah knows best.
@@solomonkiflu6774 lol what a pathetic argument. you realise the word muslim means the ones who submitted to God. Did the prophets submit to the will of god or not ? therefore in arabic what you define them as
@@paimei26 To be honest, you are the one making a fool of yourself here. No one has argued about the lexical definitions of submitting one's will to God in the Arabic language. We have been discussing how Islam has tried to claim "submitting one's will" as its core element and justify the belief that any prophet was sent by the Muslim deity. Let me be clear, the idea of submitting one's will is not a unique Islamic core value. Christians also emphasize submitting one's will to God, as James 4:7 puts it, and even Hindus have a concept of surrendering their will to God, which they call "Prapatti." Using your own argument, it is foolish to claim that Islam is unique in this regard, as submitting one's will is a common concept in most religions.
@@solomonkiflu6774 what a load of garbage. Adam was the first muslim so he came with the notion of submitting his will. Your quick Mish mash response using Google means nothing. The video talk regarding who is Abraham a muslim. You been debunked you can go back and worship your 3 in 1 =1 nonsense
Oh no. You’re either intentionally misrepresenting the verse or maybe you just don’t understand what it’s clearly saying.
When Allah says the Prophet Abraham is not a Christian or Jewish it means he doesn’t follow either religion because he came before Jesus and Juda (the person who Judaism is named after).
Then Allah explains that Abraham’s religion is the one religion that calls for one to submit their will to Allahs will. Which is (pause for dramatic affect) … THE SAME MESSAGE THE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS DELIVERING!
Islam: is to submit one’s self to the will of the one and only true God.
But it’s okay good luck man
In my opinion, this is not the weakest argument at all. 1) Abraham's argument succesfully disproves the farao's claim about farao's divinity. 2.) It is not a proof of God's existence. 3.) Abraham assumes that there has to be something which is organizing the world around us. For him and for the farao it seemed to be a self evident idea. 4.) Even though It was made clear, that farao is not the one, who is organizing the world, the Abram claim that HIS god is doing the organizing wasn't proven either. Not speaking about the other claims: that his name is Allah, and that Abraham is his prophet and so on. All other assertions about Allah were not proven. To sum it up: the point of this story is not a proof of Allah being the one god. The point of this story is the realisation of a human being (the farao) that he is only a human being, not a god, and that there is some god that is ruling everything a that the god is infinitedly greater than the farao. This idea gave the the farao the experience of awe. I am not a believer and I don't like Islam, but in my opinion this is the meaning of the story.
whats a farao?
If you said that Islam is false because they deny the rules of Christianity while having an age gap of 600 years old .....well jesus came 1400 years after Moses but defying his rules in Leviticus (20:10-12) which reads: "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, even with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and adulteress must be put to death. And jesus who came 1000 after Moses said He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. In John...
This video is mad clean in production and the content is fire too
Brother, you nailed the truth about the Quran in a simple, humble and clarity that is understood by us to critical analyzed the argument of the author of the Quran book. Thanks to you and may be blessed you and continue to make more videos. I loved it.
this was a "nailed video" lol You can look at all the refutation of this
@@dahirismail5931the refutations provided are mostly trash. Just twisting stuff, beating around the bush, using a healthly dose of deceptions is the hallmark of Islamist defenders.
Muslims make the same point about the Christian's Jesus: since the Gospel was written a hundred years after the passing of Jesus, it is not reliable when it talks about Jesus.
But the Quran was written 500 years after Jesus' death, so according to Islam's own logic, it is even less reliable when it presents Jesus as it does (being a Muslim, not having died on the cross, etc)😮
Shocking thing of course being the gospels if you advocate an early date were written within 50 years of Christ's death with the exception of the gospel of John written within 100 years of Christ's death.
😂😂😂😂
No way! Don't u use a little brain bru!😅😅😅
Quran was written on kind of papers made from The leafs of Dates' Tree ( fruit) ,memorised by Hafeez and Recited 5 times every day... recited whole every year....
How can it be forgotten ?
3rd Caliph Hazrat Usman RTA compiled and gathered all, from the Companions, who were present at the times of revelations ,for the past 23 years... And gave it a shape as a Book
That is is not correct at all. The NT was written during the apostles time. We have archeological facts and scrolls of the NT from 1st C AD
you made an error with your argument. One part your referring to is the writing of the bible 500 years after HIS DEATH. and the other your talking about the prophet coming after years of jesus. The QURAN was written during the life of Muhammad and not centuries after his death.
@dahirismail5931 you misunderstood, I said the Qur’an was written 500 years after Jesus's death, not Muhammad's.
My point still stands.
Verse 3:66 literally answers what you say "Allah knows and you do not know"
In other words, "no, u"
@@ApostateAladdin how?
Simple words nu huh
@@LitoLochoss clearly I'm right
If you read the Quran in context, it is mentioned that Torah is send to Prophet Musa ONLY for the Jews and Injeel is send to prophey Isa (Jesus) ONLY for Bani Israil at his time. That is why Allah said in that passages Torah and Injeel came after Ibrahim A.S so that's why they cannot claim him to be Jews or Christian. Because the Jews is etchnicity who follow the Torah and Christian is someone who follow the Gospel. On the contrary, Allah mentioned in the Quran that this Book (Quran) is for all mankind. And the term muslim is some one who submitted their will to Allah as what all the prophet do.
No matter what it claims, the quran was evidently not written for all of mankind, because it was not even understandable, believable, useful or made any sense at all to most people ever.
A quran didn't evidently exist before only the 7th century, nor did any claim from or about it, nor did any claim about islam or muslims, nor did any claim about Musas, Isas or Ibrahims.
Only followers of Mohammed ever claimed Musa, Isa or Ibrahim were real or identical with Moses, Jesus or Abraham of jews or christians, rather than only 7th century parodies invented by 7th century arabs. Pre-islamic arabs were polytheistic pagans and pre-islamic monotheists didn't speak arabic or claimed nonsense about Isa, unless they were just christian heretics.
@@reinercelsus8299I disagree. If you follow many historian, they disagree with your statement that mention only followers of Muhammad think that biblical prophet as you mentioned similar to prophey of the Quran. Here are some sources from non-Muslim historians and scholars who discuss the similarities between Jesus, Moses, and Abraham in the Bible and Isa, Musa, and Ibrahim in the Quran:
1. F.E. Peters: In his book "The Children of Abraham: Judaism, Christianity, Islam," Peters explores the shared heritage and narratives of these three major religions. He discusses how figures like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus are central to all three traditions, highlighting their roles and stories in both the Bible and the Quran.
2. Karen Armstrong: In "A History of God," Armstrong examines the development of the concept of God in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. She notes the similarities in the stories of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus across these religious texts, emphasizing their shared significance.
3. Reza Aslan: Although Aslan is a Muslim, his work "No god but God" is widely respected in academic circles. He discusses the parallels between the Quranic and Biblical narratives of key figures like Moses, Jesus, and Abraham, providing a comparative analysis that is accessible to a broad audience.
4. John L. Esposito: In "Islam: The Straight Path," Esposito, a prominent scholar of Islamic studies, provides an overview of Islamic beliefs and practices, including the Quranic stories of prophets. He compares these with their Biblical counterparts, noting the similarities and differences.
These scholars provide a comprehensive view of how these figures are portrayed in both religious traditions, offering insights into their historical and theological contexts.
@@reinercelsus8299 The claim that the Quran is not understandable is not universally accepted, and many non-Muslim scholars have argued the opposite, highlighting its clarity and coherence.
Kenneth Cragg: An Anglican priest and scholar of Islamic studies, Cragg has written extensively on the Quran. In his book "The Mind of the Quran," he emphasizes the Quran's clarity and its ability to convey profound theological and moral messages.
Michael Sells: In his book "Approaching the Quran: The Early Revelations," Sells explores the linguistic beauty and clarity of the Quranic text. He argues that the Quran's language is both accessible and deeply meaningful, capable of resonating with readers across different cultures and backgrounds.
Thomas Cleary: A renowned translator of religious texts, Cleary has translated the Quran into English. In his introduction to "The Essential Koran," he discusses the Quran's clear and direct style, which he believes makes it accessible to readers seeking spiritual and moral guidance.
Marijn van Putten, a non-Muslim scholar, has conducted extensive research on the Quran and its linguistic aspects. In his work, he emphasizes the clarity and coherence of the Quranic text.
These scholars provide a perspective that counters the notion of the Quran being incomprehensible, highlighting its linguistic and thematic clarity.
@@irfanaditya8582 You are totally mistaken. No one denies that there are similarities between narrations of different religions, but this has nothing to do with a historical Abraham. Unlike you apparently do, historians consider religious narrations historical evidence only of the narrations themselves and from the time they existed, not as any sort of evidence from the time of Abraham let alone his historical context. Historians don't have evidence that Abraham was even a historical person, but widely agree that he was merely legendary and most likely invented, only even later than the Iliad was written. All you can really do with a narration from a quran, is to compare it with just stories that were just as unsubstantiated and most likely never about actual history, rather than only about beliefs, creeds and traditions from the time they were written. The narration of the quran can and will never be any more evidence, than only of a narration and beliefs of muslims about Abraham, only from the 7th century and later. Whenever historians compare any narrations about some Ibrahim with Abraham from torah or bible, that's not any different from comparing Noah with Deucalion, Gilgamesh and sumerian or babylonian flood myths about Ziusudra, Utnapishti or Atra- Hasis. Except for having different gods, the narrations are clearly similar too, sometimes even in more details than a bible and the arabic quran.
Arabs of the 7th century were free to claim or believe whatever made them happy, it's irrelevant outside islam and has no bearing at all on any other narrations about Abraham. It matters only to muslims and people who believe Mohammed was really a prophet. Most people don't, so whatever he told was only what arabs claim in the 7th century, not more.
I have 2 female Muslim family members who refuse to hear any logic when I debate the Qu'ran and only become loud and angry at the slightest disagreement, and it's the devils work if ur using logic to assess the Qu'rans illogical and senseless Suras
This is why mohamet thinks he's the last prophet. Mohamet ask if jesus would come back and God said not in your lifetime,mohamet ask if men would fly so God said not in your lifetime.Then Mohamet ask if there would be anorher prophet like him and god said not in MY lifetime.
It's hard for muslims to read the Quran (or Hadiths) with a critical mind, because if they find errors everything will crumble and they may find out, that there own parents and society mislead them into following a false prophet. This is very hard to stomach, and being an apostate is also not very well received in their culture. But in the end, dear Muslims, this is not about pleasing your parents or 3rd cousin. It is about eternal truth and where you will spend eternity. So approach this with an open mind and heart. And then I guarantee you, you will find truth.
Bro 😂
Just use your mind:
Allah says: O People of the Book! Why do you argue about Abraham, while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until long after him? Will you not reason?
So Allah encourages to reason when you see this sentence in arabic افلا تعقلون grab a pen and start putting yourself in the place of the pepole that Allah is talking with, so it is not providing straight to the point information but pushing you to actually reason.
Here Allah says to you a question if you are from the Pepole of the Book, the probable answer you will give is the Torah and Gospel are the words of God so i argue with them, now lets move on.
Allah says: Here you are! You disputed about what you have knowledge of, so why do you now argue about what you have no knowledge of? Allah knows and you do not know.
So Allah says knowledge you dispute on meaning what is in the Torah and Godspel, and what you have no knowledge of is what God did not reveale in the Torah and the Gospel, so why do you argue about what you have no knowledge of in the Torah or the Gospel and are not open minded.
Allah says: Abraham was neither a Jew nor a christian but a Muslim (submited to the will of Allah) in all uprightness. and was not of the polytheists.
Clearly Abraham is neither a Jew nor a christian from the Torah or a Jew from the Gospel, so why do you argue about him not being a Muslim or a submitter to Allahs will when you have no knowledge of it and just try to argue? Maybe he was?
@@Skyscraper21 I’m an ex Christian Muslim, who are you talking about 😭😭
@@barvin1185 what convinced you to turn your back on the one who gave his life for you? Was it the promise of free virgins in paradise? 🤣
@@barvin1185 besides, not everything circles around YOU 😂
@@MoiLtvuYes again Stupid of Ilsam is quite as showcase. Judaisusm was not etablished until moses was given then Law it was imposible for him to be a Jew or a Christian but he was no mulsim too , Islam means submitting to the one true God that means Christian and Jews are mulsim which would not make sence as we know Muhhamed was a mulsim
I love everything about this video and you. The way you talk is so soothing bro, and you worded perfectly what threw me off when I started reading the Quran. It sounded very condescending, and being a non-Muslim native Arabic speaker, the language was abusive while staying loyal to its level of errancy.. I applaude you. Best vid and way of communication
8:20
you don't know shit, Allah knows everything because he says so
I wonder if you missed Aladdin's condescension in this video?
@@lapis_lazuli578 bro gave unearned respect in the way he spoke. Can't say the same of any religious knuckleheads
@@Gargindale ah he must have given the atheist version of respect, which involves acting like your opponents are mindless bots. silly me!
Also, I find it strange that you felt the need to point out that it was unearned, because you were just complaining about not being respected by the Qur'an, but when did you earn respect?
„I am perfect, you know nothing and I give you illogical arguments, WHY won’t they believe?!?!” Quran 115:1
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For me, when I understood the significance of surah 65,4 along with surah 33,49, I can't understand why any decent person would consider that ok to be legal or morally acceptable.
You up for an online debate? would love to do so
Beautiful! Alas a common momin is trained not to be analytical and critical since birth and the one who needs this the most will have a very hard time understanding. I thoroughly enjoy your intellectual dissection of your topics. I also suggest if there is a way to simplify the message for those who are not intellectually well endowed.
I just disproved every argument of this guy, i am sure to disprove anyone else
I am a momin and i rhink analytically, i found islam, using historical reasearch
clearly you havent understood the verse . when the Quran says Abraham was not a jew or Christian is because its anachronistic to use these names based on people that lived thousands of years after Abraham. but the name Islam is not a name of an Arab tribe, but describes a characteristic of humans have who submitted to Allah since the time of Adam.
so it's anachronistic to say Abraham was a jew or chrstian, but its not anachronistic to say Abraham was a Muslim, because the bible itself describes Abraham as someone who totally submitted his will to god
clearly you havent understood the verse . when the Quran says Abraham was not a jew or Christian is because its anachronistic to use these names based on people that lived thousands of years after Abraham. but the name Islam is not a name of an Arab tribe, but describes a characteristic of humans have who submitted to Allah since the time of Adam.
so it's anachronistic to say Abraham was a jew or chrstian, but its not anachronistic to say Abraham was a Muslim, because the bible itself describes Abraham as someone who totally submitted his will to god
@@homer1273 agreed
That verse might refer to Talmudist Jews and early-heretical Christian sects such as certain Gnostics living in the area. I haven't seen anyone take a look from that perspective. Maybe, eventually some academic might look from that angle and give us a different perspective. In the end, early Muslims seemed like a non-trinitarian Christian sect that observes 10 commandments. But, then again, this is my uneducated guess in that topic.
The third screen showing the third verse does not say what this guys reads it as. He changed the words. He said Ibrahim was not a jew, neither a Christian but a Muslim. The verse doesn't say he was a Muslim, but rather it says he was upright and not a polytheist. If you're going to base your videos on the specificity of words then please at least hold true to the same principles or your arguments will have no weight.
Bro you should be a stand up comedian with these claims😂
Reading the English translation of Quran and thinking that You understood it all. May Allah(SWT) guide You.
احا 😂
then you are rejecting your imams lol
Unathletic Guard, Wait, you mean to say that the English translation of the Quran means something completely different to the Arabic meaning?! I guess I need to learn Arabic then, because based on your ''logic'' the English translation is not accurate at all!
Unathletic Guard Read the bible and let God guide you.
@@robmancuso964 no, it is has close meaning to the original one. But if one has to make the claim that he understood the Quran he cannot do just by reading it in English translation. He also, should have read different tafseers written by companions of the Prophet (SAW). As one can derive any interpretation of a verse of the Quran. But the true meaning was know to the prophet (saw) which was carried to his companions. And the logic behind this is that only true meaning used in a poem is only know to the poet not the known person who just read it. Like wise You can’t understand any law or principle of physics just by reading it, have to read the illustrations and examples of those laws and principles. Eg, if You will just read the 3rd law of motion which is “every force has an equal and opposite reaction” do tell me that You understand everything about it just by reading and now You know everything there is to know about it. Of course, similarly if a verse from Quran is a law then to understand You have to read many illustrations and example of it which are in different books of tafseer.
I can see why this guy became an apostate. He clearly doesn't have the Intelligence to understand the basic quranic argument. Since he doesn't have the Intelligence to understand what the Quran is saying, let me explain it.
Some Jews were ignorantly claiming that Abraham was upon their religion. Similarly, there were some Christians who were ignorantly claiming that Abraham was upon their religion. However, as the Quran states, this is obviously wrong because Abraham existed before these (Judaism and Christianity) religions were revealed, and this is according to the Jews and christians themselves. So obviously he could not be described as a Jew or Christian.
He can, however, be described as a Muslim, because the word Muslim simply means "one who submits to God", and this applies to every prophet from Adam(pbuh) to Muhammad(pbuh).
Exactly, its the most basic non argument that took me less than just 1 minute of thinking to debunk
@@StanbyMode Exactly! Apostate Aladdin's whole video was a non-argument that's easily debunked.
you guys are funny
the funniest thing you know you are lying
@@Elias_-_- defending our religion against basic claims isnt lying, Islam has no logical or basic errors, if youre gonna “prove it false” stick to your subjective “Muhammad was a bad person” narrative with some name calling added on
Abraham didn't exist regardless. He was most likely invented only in the late monarchic period, according to Tel Aviv University in Israel. He was not even historical but invented by Jewish religion. It's therefore nothing but nonsense to even think he was really a Muslim.
Just to clarify, we Christians do not claim the Prophets were Christians, they were Jews. We Christians see ourselves as Israel, we follow the Judaism of old.
Just to clarify, the historical Christians in Europe, Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants alike, do not and never did see themselves as Israel and followers of Judaism at all.
Only a few modern sects of the 19th and 20th centuries invented in America do, but they are not really the Christians let alone speaking for Christianity.
Also the Quran seems to have messed up on the concept of 'prophet" as believed in by the Jews -Adam was not a prophet but merely the first human created by God and even the writers of the Hebrew Bible,if you read between the lines, seem to have regarded Adam as merely a token and not a historical figure.
The Quran speaks of messengers and prophets in the Quran are those that are appointed spread “the message” about God. Adam did that with his children, so he is the first prophet according to islams standards. But I get your point
Honestly, when I found this video,5 AM here btw studying for my Finals, I really just wanted a laugh and you didnt disappoint. Like bro how many times do we have to say this? Islam means submitting your will to God,all this verse means is that all those prophets submitted their will to Allah not that they followed the teachings of the Quran because Duh it wasnt revealed yet, the verse isnt saying Abraham was a muslim and followed our beloved prophet PBUH, it mean he submitted his will to God at that time which is essentially what Islam teaches , isnt that true? I wish you Guidance brother. Also the burning the Quran part, are you serious? Some dude burns a book that you hold at a very high place wouldnt you want want to beat him up? Like really do i walk around burning the bible or some other book just because I disagree with it? Some christian Guy burns the the Quran and you dont want us to feel offended by it, should i just go congratulate him or what? Whats wrong with clear instructions to burn it if something happens to it, for example if my younger brother colors over the entire Quran and no verse can be seen, Allah gives me the right to burn it very cleanly because then i cant read it, just a tiny example but Allah knows best. Also the part about the tone, dude are you for real? How about all the scientific miracles the Quran reveals, for example the development of the Embryo, isn't that the way of Allah showing how much knowledge he has. But ill state your arguemnt for you. Lets put ourselves in the place of the Kufar at Quraish, ok? Suddenly Allah reveals upon our propher Muhammad PBUH a masterpiece in literature that not 1 single human to this day has been able to replicate, if you say otherwise then you are not truthful at this point but i am willing to refute any argument you make, the Quran is a unique, miraculous piece of literature that was revealed in Mekkah where the biggest authors of arabic literature were there and even they couldnt replicate it, isnt this enough for them to show them that they were dealing with the a higher power with higher knowledge than theirs? I believe so, also please dont speak emotional, you say about the GrOtEsQuE methods of torture please show us a reference to those methods not just emotional unscientific talk. My answer is long enough haha but i wont comment in the rest of this video i watched it i laughed but im tired of typing and the rest is a joke anyways making fun of dawah men and such i wont answer to that.
Whatever muslims claim what Islam or muslim means to them, is there any hint of evidence that it had also already meant that to Abraham, or to anyone before the 7th century? Nope.
I came from a Muslim family and always wondered "why" my parents did this or that. I always thought Allah was the Kaaba as well and feared it. We were forced to read in arabic and learn to read it without understanding what it meant. Once I read it in English it opened my eyes to how disgusting Muhammad was (Hadiths) and how things didn't make sense in the Quran. My family believe in Islam but don't even pray 5 times a day or follow it. My dad thinks "good deeds" will get him there... So many muslims are misguided and just following it because their family do. Its is so hard and scary to tell people you're no longer a muslim. Once I told my parents, they acted as if the devil had possessed them. I hope all the people who leave are safe. Thank you for this video :)
Thank you for sharing and congratulations on leaving this toxic cult
Amina, do the research please. Do not just blindly believe what non-muslims post. And what about the verse:
The verse is not explicitly stating that Jews and Christians cannot claim that Abraham was following their religion because the Torah and the Gospel were revealed later. Instead, the emphasis IS ON QUESTIONING THE BASIS for disputes and arguments about Abraham when those scriptures were not revealed during his lifetime.
The broader message in the Quran is to emphasize the unity of the message across different prophets and scriptures, particularly the oneness of God and the call to submission (Islam). While the verse challenges the disputations about Abraham's faith in light of the chronological order of revelations, it does not explicitly say that Jews and Christians cannot claim any connection to Abraham.
The Quran encourages recognizing the commonalities in the message of monotheism shared by the Abrahamic faiths and suggests a focus on the fundamental principles rather than unnecessary disputes. The aim is to foster understanding and unity among believers in God, regardless of the specific religious traditions they follow. Please, let me know if you have questions about any verse in the Quran.
Sorry but Jesus is the only way to heaven, He is the image of God who came down to show us how to live and He sacrificed himself for our sins. Not everyone is going to heaven, Abraham believed in One God and it sure wasn’t the Allah Muslims believe in. Please don’t try and educate me about the Quran, I have read it and don’t need you to misinterpret it.
No one is trying to educate you; I just said "do the research". Quran 2:256 "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become distinct from the wrong."
If you follow the bible, then -
John 14;6 - "[...] No one comes to the Father except through me." -
John 17;3 - The only true God is the Father, and Jesus, whom you have sent.
Deuteronomy 6;4 - "Hear, O Israel: The LORD , the LORD is one."
You may want to look for a verse in the Bible where Jesus explicitly said he's God or where he said "worship me". I can save your time, you won't find one.@@amina997
@@1112-e9l Sorry there's no allah either! And I'm sorry to say jesus isn't god. Both are fictional characters in a book. Where's the discernible difference between the quran, or bible and a book that we know for sure is fictional, say, harry potter?? Be truly honest with yourself and the only logical conclusion any logically thinking person can reach is that there's none. There's no way to prove or disprove anything that's being said in both religious books. Why people continue to believe in them is beyond me. BUT I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY, SURELY CHRISTIANITY IS THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS. ISLAM IS THE SINGLE WORST RELIGIOUS LIE THAT WAS EVER PERPETRATED ON HUMANITY. IT IS EXTREMELY VIOLENT, AND ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO CONDUCT SANCTIONED VIOLENCE TO PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIOUS FAITH.
just happened on november 22, 2024 at 00.30am, a church in Majalaya, West Java, Indonesia, was attacked by terrorists throwing Molotov bombs...
nice propoganda Islam will prevail because its the religion ALLAH sent down and not a man written book like the bible
that means that 2 billion humans are throwing molotoves as a practice
I never heard a cristitian saying Abraham was Christian 🤷🏻
Lmao 😂 so abraham worshipped Jesus
Exactly. Christians call jesus god, prophet, messiah, angel, holy spirit, let's not say how much they reject previous prophets
@@Engineer9921abraham worshiped The God of jesus.
@@Engineer9921So did Abraham took shahada and aknowledged Mohammed as the last prophet?😂😂😂😂
Bruh, even Jesus isn't Christian.
Islam means one who submits to God
Islam refutes Judaism and Christianity as they attribute Sons to God as you have shown in Q9:30
Therefore Islam does not take these religions as the truth, rather that they have been corrupted and changed of it's message,
This means that Ibrahim was not a believer that God has sons, because he didn't he relayed the message of one God
Thus by default, with the belief in One God, he submits to God, therefore by default he is Muslim.
Anyone before Islam was introduced, if they believed there was one God they are Muslim, just as how Adam is muslim because he submitted to God.
The Quran is the infallible word of God which is not like the Bible or Torah which were time bound to there era, and the Quran is timeless.
So this doesn't contradict it self by saying the Quran came out last so why should we beleieve you, because Abraham by defualt is muslim due to his submission of God
and he could not be a Jew or Christian because their beleifs created by mankind were not in his time, but rather Qurans teaching's of one God were.
Have you not read of when Abraham or Ibrahim betrayed those two kings in order two protect his wife Sarah? The second one, God told the king that they are indeed brothers and sister in Him, the Father.
Very few people have the degree of perspicacity that you do, Aladdin. The doctrine of Islam is founded upon psychological warfare i.e. the highest order of manipulation. In order to understand and experience narcissism in its essence, and appreciate how its powerful disposition can overwhelm and captivate the senses, read the Qur’an. It encapsulates the idiosyncrasies of a narcissist which comprise over entitlement, self-aggrandisement, egocentricity, lack of empathy, victimhood syndrome, persecution complex, gaslighting, solipsism, black & white dualistic thinking, false dilemmas, inconsistent judgments, disparaging remarks, disproportionate reactions, compulsive obsessions and an excessive need for admiration.
In other words, any person who exhibits these traits has a cluster of personality disorders. The major problem is that religious people call him God and venerate him. The laws that govern sane, rational behaviour are suspended when it comes to religion; the religious text is made exempt to the rule and God is given absolute immunity in the absence of sound justification. Blind devotion has been, and always will be, the death knell of a dispassionate appraisal.
What is your point?
Allah swt created us to worship him and it is normal for God to be a so called "narcissist" because he is GOD the creator the one who knows everything it is normal for him to have a high sens of self importance because he IS extremely important he's God, people like you amaze me because you claim to be a skeptic but you don't even analyze your own arguments before using them just a tiny teeny bit of logic would've helped you understand, allah was right when he said don't you use your logic, prophet Ibrahim (as) was a Muslim because a Muslim means to submit yourself to allah swt I suggest your rethink your entire positions because you seems like a genuinely intelligent person that just needs a bit of guidance, no hate
No need for someone to die for your sins.
Allah says, in Quran, Ayat 53 (39:53)
O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
۞قُلۡ يَٰعِبَادِيَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَسۡرَفُواْ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِهِمۡ لَا تَقۡنَطُواْ مِن رَّحۡمَةِ ٱللَّهِۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَغۡفِرُ ٱلذُّنُوبَ جَمِيعًاۚ إِنَّهُۥ هُوَ ٱلۡغَفُورُ ٱلرَّحِيمُ
The quran was not revealed by a God, but by a dubious arab making unsubstantiated claims about what some made-up jibril demon and some made-up pagan god al-lah allegedly said.
There was no allah thing in reality. Literally everything he allegedly claimed about sins was copied from other religions and adapted to please arabic pagans and former idol worshipers.
Hmm, interesting verse to pick for critiquing. You wouldn’t mind if we Muslims respond, I hope. All in good spirit of course. No hate intended.
I would like to hear your answer
My take on it would be this. I could say Muhammad, for example, was a prophet, but then someone else could ask, "how was he a prophet if 'prophet' is an English word, yet the English language didn't exist during his time?" To which I would reply, okay, he didn't literally refer to himself by the English word 'prophet', but he met the criteria for what the word 'prophet' entails, therefore I'm using modern language to describe an archaic occurrence, but that doesn't necessitate that the same rhetoric must be projected onto the tongues of the people of the past and we erroringly assume they literally used the same terms and expressions that I use. Of course they didn't literally speak the same way as me.
Likewise, one could say the prophets of the past couldn't have been Muslim because Islam as we understand it didn't exist yet, to which It could be said, okay, perhaps they didn't literally refer to themselves as Muslims, but they are described as such in the sense of being submissive to God in accordance with the law that was established during their respective eras, so by the Quran calling them Muslims, it was relating the accounts of ancient occurrences via the language best suited for the ear of the 7th century Arab.
But, that's just my opinion. Perhaps, some people prefer a more literal reading of the text. Everyone has there way I guess. Allah knows best.
@@alika5771 care to read my reply to this comment?
@@nuri_sunnah yeah good point. I made a reply video to this on my channel. it was somewhat (but not entirely) the same point I made in my video. As I may not post the video in comments to other videos, you will have to go to my channel to see the reply. It’s quite simple to respond to this in my opinion. I saw no difficulty at all in responding to it. But go check it out. Perhaps, we have more in common than we disagree.
Bro you speaks so calmly that your criticism sounds like asmr
Lame argument. Jews wouldn’t exist with Judah nor Christians without Christ. Muslims are not Muhamadans. Islam is the original religion
Islam is not ever true bro.. its just followed by goons who want to persecute those who dont do as they do.
From what I read, I think the verses means that Jew and Christian are the term used for people following specific prophet (Musa and Isa AS). Because of that, Ibrahim AS cannot be categorized as neither of them.
Musa, Isa or Ibrahim as imagined by moslems are not even considered historical by jews or christians, but merely parodies or reinventions of Moses, Jesus and Abraham by just arabs.
Outside islam only, Jesus was not even called a prophet by anyone ever, so only moslems from the 7th century or christian heretics before them could have addressed him like that.
Christians and jews never debated if Abraham was either in reality and they never had any reason to do so, therefore arabs must have invented that. Christians didn't give a shit for any claims or opinions of jews about Abraham regardless, unless the jews accepted Jesus as their Christ in the first place. Never happened.
0:19 wow in Nepali employable skill is known as ilam ( इलम ) . Wow Nepali has so many root words from Arabic .
What can i say from this video is enjoy this little audience while you can, as you grow bigger, you will catch attention of some of the prominent Muslim youtuber who has been time and time again debating with atheist, agnostic etc. They will surely invite you for a intellectual conversation, if you truly believe in what you say, i hope to see you later in their video. Or if maybe you can invite them to yours, i will recommend people like TheMuslimSkeptic, Muhammad Hijab, OneMessageFoundation. Dont just do reaction videos where the other side cant respond.
Mufti Abu Layth would be perfect
I’m surprised at the comment section as well I was expecting more Muslims disagreeing 😭 half of the video he is saying that Prophet Muhammad pbuh is basically a hypocrite as he claims that Abraham is nor Jew or Christian because the revelations were after his time and so he can’t be Muslims either. But Muslim simply translates to “surrender” someone who believes and surrenders to God/Allah (same thing)- he is by definition a Muslim, Islam Christianity Judaism are all Gods religions he’s looking at it all wrong. If a Christian prays and believed in the oneness of God (that God is one and Jesus is a prophet) in Arabic he is classified as a Muslim- someone who surrenders to God only, they may call themselves a Christian. After all, every religion is from God and if you really follow the truth it doesn’t matter which religion you pick.
Second half he is demanding proof of “Allah knows and you do not know” .. everything in the Quran is based on believing that it is the truth you cannot find physical proof of anything in it until you believe that it is the truth then you realise everything you see or have is physical proof. There are also scientific links in the Quran but I won’t get into it. The Quran is very straight to the point yes and what’s wrong and right is very transparent. It does not just blame the devil for Muslims sins and every Muslim is aware that they will be judged by their deeds and sins not anyone else’s on judgement day so they’re accountable for their own actions in fact the human ego is seen as the other source of wrongdoings.
Everyone has their own faith journey and there are some points which can easily be misunderstood in the Quran due to context and the era the Quran was introduced in which can also be explained but these points 👎🏼. Also his biased vocabulary like “laughable” and mocking our God and religion (at the end especially) doesn’t align with his “I only speak facts use ur own logic” persona.
yea fr can't wait to see this clown Aladdin getting destroyed by them InshaAllah
@@nuri_sunnah Lol man I really can't understand how we are having these arguments in 2023 with our advanced technology😆. If u actually STUDY u will realize that islam was created as a COUNTER FORCE against Christianity which was the dominant power of that region and time, hence why Christianity is one of the the main focuses in islam lol. Both "religions" are COLINIAL SYSTEMS under the DISGUISE of spirituality. Christianity under the Europeans and Islam under the Arabs. Theres a reason why CONQUEST AND CONVERSION is their number 1 priority, NUMBERS/MAN POWER!💯. Hence why they BOTH are at the top of the food chain now lol🤷♂️. Once they conquer a region they completely destroy its native culture and replace it with theirs, this is called COLONIALISM my friends lol🤷♂️.
Proud EX muslim😉😊🙏
@@javedfaizal5473 Lol man I really can't understand how we are having these arguments in 2023 with our advanced technology😆. If u actually STUDY u will realize that islam was created as a COUNTER FORCE against Christianity which was the dominant power of that region and time, hence why Christianity is one of the the main focuses in islam lol. Both "religions" are COLINIAL SYSTEMS under the DISGUISE of spirituality. Christianity under the Europeans and Islam under the Arabs. Theres a reason why CONQUEST AND CONVERSION is their number 1 priority, NUMBERS/MAN POWER!💯. Hence why they BOTH are at the top of the food chain now lol🤷♂️. Once they conquer a region they completely destroy its native culture and replace it with theirs, this is called COLONIALISM my friends lol🤷♂️.
Proud EX muslim😉😊🙏
Another great video. Love the production values and, personally, I didn't find the music intrusive at all :)
clearly you havent understood the verse . when the Quran says Abraham was not a jew or Christian is because its anachronistic to use these names based on people that lived thousands of years after Abraham. but the name Islam is not a name of an Arab tribe, but describes a characteristic of humans have who submitted to Allah since the time of Adam.
so it's anachronistic to say Abraham was a jew or chrstian, but its not anachronistic to say Abraham was a Muslim, because the bible itself describes Abraham as someone who totally submitted his will to god
The Quran never mentioned (in the shown verses at least) what the jews and christians were arguing about over Abraham (as), you also just claimed that the Quran says that Abraham (as) was a muslim, which is not true it even explicitly states he wasnt a jew christian or polytheist but simply submitted to god the fact that "muslim" means to submit ones will to Allah (swt) doesnt mean he was a muslim as we are today since the Quran, like you said, was revealed long after his (as) death
for real
The Korain shows Islame is nonsensical and not true.
learn to spell first
great video as always🤌I never thought about how there being sooo many prophets before mohammed meant that god kept messing up each time
It’s explained that the reason is to go with each individual society and era that’s why so many different prophets were needed and Islam came when humanity was ready for the final message
God never fails, and he knows what he's doing, human intelligence can't get there
@@r.a9876Islam did not come when "humanity was ready for the final message", the Quran came after copying the Bible and just changing certain things
You've misunderstood those verses about Abraham/Ibrahim. Abraham was not a Jew [Judaism came after Jacob who was called Israel, and his sons]. Abraham has no connection to the Torah, which originates with Moses, who came later. Abraham, for obvious reasons, was not a Christian. In fact, even the disciples of Jesus were not Christians. Nobody was called Christian until much later in Antioch.
However, Abraham, as the verses of the Quran you cited state, was a submitter to Allah. What is one translation of the word Muslim? One who submits. Thus, Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian, but he was a Muslim. That is what the verses are conveying - not whether a particular book or religious dogma can lay claim to Abraham. Abraham was the father of all three religions, but the constant is that he submitted. He was Muslim. So was Jesus. So was Moses and so on. All submitted to Allah. Thus all were Muslims.
0:47 also applies to your videos, most people who watch your videos are people who are already ex MuslimsChristians, nobody is even looking to correct you, even if I do you won’t care, you made up your mind a long time ago.
Apostate Aladdin mentions Quran 3:67 which states that Abraham was a مُّسْلِمًۭا (a true Muslim). This CONTRADICTS what Muhammad had said previously in Quran 39:12 [Quran not in chronological order] : “And I am commanded to be the FIRST of those who bow to Allah in Islam." (Quran 39:12). Such a contradiction is not surprising, since Muhammad did not have the best memory. Muhammad's wife, Aisha, recalls: Narrated: Aisha "The Prophet (SAW) heard a man (reciting Quran) in the Mosque, and he said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy upon him. No doubt, he made me remember such-and such Verses of such-and-such Sura which I dropped (from my memory)." [Sahih Bukhari, 3:823].
How it contradicts it?
There is no contradiction if you read the verse properly. It says:
_And I am _*_commanded to be the first_*_ of those who submit._ [39:12]
No other prophet before Muhammad (S) was outright commanded to submit in prayer to Allah (SWT). Abraham a.s was a Muslim who submitted, but he wasn't commanded like the Prophet (S) to submit like in salah. You are conflating those two things.
@@allittakesisonebadday4957 Would Muhammad have refused to "submit in prayer to Allah" if he had not been commanded to do so?
@@Herman47 Well that question makes no sense because, if Allah (SWT) had not commanded the Prophet (S) to submit in the first place, then there would be no such thing as refusal to do so. The Prophet (S) would have done whatever Allah (SWT) wanted of him and he (S) would still submit his will to Allah (SWT) just like all the prophets before him.
@@allittakesisonebadday4957 All of your prophets obey your god. When Muhammad says that he is the first Muslim (Quran 39:12) and then later says that Abraham was a Muslim (Quran 3:67), we have a contradiction. And this contrardiction just by itself destroys the notion that a perfect god is the author of a perfect book.
What happened here is that Muhammad had forgotten what he told people earlier. His memory was not perfect. Muhammad's wife, Aisha, recalls: Narrated: Aisha "The Prophet (SAW) heard a man (reciting Quran) in the Mosque, and he said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy upon him. No doubt, he made me remember such-and such Verses of such-and-such Sura which I dropped (from my memory)." [Sahih Bukhari, 3:823].