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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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8+ years professional unity dev here~ upvote my comment if you can!
This is an inaccurate test and missleading, here is why.
You have the Play button on, and it's a 3D scene that has a directional light, post processing, etc
It's unrealistic, no one is going to have the scene playing the whole time, they have the scene playing only to quickly test a feature/bug, then it's back to Visual Studio/XCode/etc
And often the game likely wouldn't even be as intensive as, and yes I'm being serious here, would not even be as intensive as the default template scenes, and likely a mobile game or something using the URP pipeline.
What you're **REALLY** testing here, is you're just running a video game technically, except its worse because it's currently in editor mode, honestly you'd have more battery running a 3D game standalone.
If you took off play, and you were just coding or doing UI Development, the battery drain would be nowhere even remotely close in any way shape or form.
I highly encourage @Azisk to test more realistically next time! I'm a subscriber and I don't intend any hate~
Unity is by no means lightweight, but my M1 macbook air can last a full day on Unity Dev and have battery to spare, EASILY, that's with building APK/IPA's along the way.
Thanks for the details. I'm not only NOT a Unity dev, but I also did these tests as a request from commenters. However, I will add that since I am not an expert at Unity like you, I didn't do anything besides load a sample project. All the settings here are default. So if it does require special knowledge to be more efficient with the machine, then this is something not clear to noobs like me. Anyway, good comment, and I'll not only upvote it, I'll pin it :)
Please answer how much RAM consume Unity while running this scene in play mode with gizmos?
I am a Unity dev too and I must say that OP is right.
+ if you enable Vsync the game wont run in hundreds of FPS but only in 60 resulting in much lower battery drain.
@@AZisk Much love!
Game dev on a laptop and 14 inch screen?
No wonder it takes 15 years for studios to finish their games
Gaming dev in mac and you worry about 14 inch?
I have a friend that is a top level software devloper, a syatem architect , and he does most of his work on a M2 Pro while sitting on a couch.
He works 2x faster than any dev i know.
@@dariusdareme
Software development is different from game development since it's code only while game dev there is more graphically going on
Please explain why 14 inch screen hinders his ability to finish a game?
@@gullible119 productivity on a small screen is just not good
Make sure you limit your framerate during testing, if you let it run full-tilt, you kinda give your laptop the rope to hang itself with - cpu goes as fast as possible, which is the fastest way to drain the battery
That one is on Unity (or that demo): if there are no changes, no input, it should just cache the latest displayed frame and always limit itself to the minimum frameset needed. computing the same scene context is just plain silly and a huge waste of battery life and of computation power (that other processes may need)
@@olivierdulac Yeah you would think, it's only true in Unity if the game isn't running, once it is, it does a lot of work rendering every frame it is allowed to render - gamers love seeing that high FPS
running unity on my 14' m1 pro (mobile 3D game) for 9+ hours no problem, but im a coder so i code more and then occasionally go into play mode obviously
It is a given that workhorse tasks need to be plugged in. Also the sun is hot.
You are doing heavy power consumption computing…on a laptop, not sure what you expect.
i expect 12hours ! scam as always
@@adredyit’s a physics problem. Computers consume power, the more they work, the more power they draw. An unrealistically efficient computer would be one that burns only 20 watts full tilt. That computer would last 2-3 hours on an average battery and a max of 5 hours because the TSA doesn’t allow batteries over the size of 100 watt hours on planes which acts as a hard limit for laptop manufacturers. With how computers are improved, you can expect better efficiency with each generation, but not at a level that would enable high demand applications to run all day on our current battery tech. Especially since most of the efficiency gains made each generation are offset by a higher clock speed and overall tuning.
@@adredytroll
Not a laptop, a MacBook. There’s a difference.
@@KreAtorGames macbook = linux on laptop .. now new cpu but this was linux modified
Thank God for Aldente existing for these type of things to not stress the battery out
Why would a professional game dev develop on a laptop running off battery?
To tell you, I'm the boss now! 😂
Because MacBooks are just as powerful as desktops.
@@KreAtorGamesnot at graphical tasks
@@ThatVinci you’ve been mistaken. I’d do some research.
@@KreAtorGames tell me what macbook is outperforming a desktop level 4090 at graphical computing
I run docker running a couple of micro services gets the Mac down from a couple of hours of battery to maybe 1:30 hours if I’m lucky.
I will say I’m a unity user/game designer and the only guy with the new m2 MacBook Air, I’m the only one who isn’t tied to the wall when we work lol
The GPU on these is quite power hungry. Not sure if this is still the case but the higher “core” count GPU models got worse battery even when not using it on the M1 Pro/max machines.
I’ve noticed GPU workloads nuke the battery way faster. Even 50%-ish loads vs 100% CPU loads the drain is way higher
Game developers for AAA games don’t use Mac.
bro don’t say that if they will develop games for mac , games will start coming and mac’s won’t be called bad for games again
Yep. Most Mac users I know don't push their systems hard enough to realize the battery life at full throttle is about the same or worse compared to a strong PC laptop. Apple Silicon has killer idle states, but when pushed, it gulps power.
A proper desktop will always be the best value when you're doing heavy work like this. Laptop alone wouldn't be efficient enough.
I have a used M1 max and I use Parsec to remote my desktop when I'm away from home.
What about Unreal Engine 5
My M1 lasts anywhere between 1 to 3 days of moderate use for general programming in Java. I’ve had it for several years and it’s probably the best laptop I’ve owned.
I haveLenovo Ideapad 5 AMD integrated GPU from 2021 and Unity on battery still makes up about 4 hours straight including coding on visual studio on tbe same time and playing music on my wireless headphones in the same time
I mean.. what do you expect. It’s a 100Wh battery. Those M3 MAX macbooks will pull 80-90W on battery. 50W GPU and 20W CPU plus other stuff. The fact that you get any sort of usable time out it is crazy.
The point is actually that everyone without a Mac at work or at home develops it and not that everyone sees it with a Mac in public places with a Starbucks Coffee
Laptop batteries vs the C# runtime
This is why I don't bite for the arm side. Yes battery is better for doing not much but when it comes to heavy apps the battery is going to take a hit just like phones or even intel processors. I always plugin my surface when doing any heavy work and unplugged when just editing documents ect.
Luckily GaN chargers are a lot smaller for Windows PCs. For me battery power on recent Ryzen CPUs (didn't test Intel) also was decent (but not up to par with Apple Silicon yet)
What do mean by “a lot smaller for Windows PCs”? Apple hasn’t used fixed-cord chargers since 2016, and you can even plug their new MagSafe 3 cables into any standard USB-C charger, including GaN ones. No one forces you to use Apple’s pack-in chargers, you can always leave that one at home and buy a GaN one to take on your laptop bag.
@@Mainyehc most new windows laptops also charge with usb c?
@@TechDunkI mean, I suspect quite a few are like these new MacBooks, in that they can both use a dedicated charger or use USB-PD via USB-C, no? If not, holy crap, the PC landscape is even worse than I thought.
At this point, we have the best of both worlds on the Mac, in that even if one forgets or misplaces their charging cable or brick, there are still alternative ways to charge it, and those are also pretty useful when it comes to docking a machine to a monitor that pretty much does it all with a single cable.
Don't PC laptops support this basic use case? Are you supposed to use adapters or individual cables to plug in external screens and then also plug the machine to the wall? Don't they have at least _one_ USB-C or Thunderbolt 3/4 port with USB-PD support?
And it's Macs that are supposedly too dongle-dependent, heh.
@@Mainyehc that has been the case for quite some years now. Maybe not with high end gaming laptops, since those require too much power, but definitely for most notebooks
@@TechDunk exactly, and those are the majority. Hardcore gamers are mostly using PC towers anyway…
Now, if only the USB-IF could come up with a way of simplifying their USB-C standard variations (maybe with a colour code, à lá the old PS/2, audio, serial and parallel ports), and especially their brain dead naming (and the same goes for VESA and DisplayPort), that would be just swell.
And i thought the arm based macbooks where suposed to be way more efficient than x86 based laptops seems like the diffrence isn't thst big at all
This is likely because of high cpu and gpu usage at the same time. though I'm not 100 percent sure Unity in that state would do this....I have tested other scenarios on my M1 max--with the gpu and cpu pegged--and it will drain the batter in about an hour. But that's actually pretty good. That's pretty much maxed out constant power draw.
I am impressed that you can drain apple silicone Macbooks so fast. I thought that their battery would last forever under any load.
Thats exactly why is nonsense to use Mac M series devices as game dev. Its better to pay less on a Windows PC with a 40x series Nvidia GPU
You wont be paying less for similar performance
@@hajjdawood Except he will. Windows computers heavily outperform Macs for game development and games in general. And I use a mac for everyday tasks and heavy tasks as a developer, from web dev to AI development, just not games... Macs SUCK for games to the point it makes me AAAANGRYYY.
So yeah stick to PCs for games.
@@hajjdawoodyou absolutely would pay less.
Apple said in the keynote that the AAA games to be ported to M3 Macs will use PC and console texture files. The problem with this statement is that because of their detailed textures most PC/console AAA games are over 100 Gb in size. There is therefore only space for one AAA game in most M3 Macs. Apple really must stop putting tiny 256 Gb SSDs into M3 Macs costing more than $1400.
Its a joke..same with ram
@@michubern1444 I have watched reviews of x86 Mac Steam games running on the M1. Almost all work well with16 Gb RAM and badly with 8 Gb of RAM
Soldering SSDs to the motherboard is just another middle finger to consumers with at least two functional brain cells. Fortunately for Apple, the customer base on average has slightly less mental capacity 😂😂😂
Doesn't the 4090m crunch the M3 Max in per graphiacal performance?
100%
Actually, ~350% lol.
But yeah, a 3.5K windows laptop will DEMOLISH a 3.5K macbook pro. In EVERYTHING but cpu core by core performance, and the color gamete won’t be as broad.
4090 for the desktop would burn through a laptop battery in less than 15 min.
Of course rockstar takes 10+ years to make gta 6…. Cuz they looked at your video❤😂
😝
I've had a lot of laptops over the years, and the ones really, really struggling with battery time all had one thing in common - they had some kind of graphics accelerator, and the ones from nvidia were worst.
At least the charger is manageable and can be reduced further in size if you buy gallium nitrate batteries
I dont think i would be doing intense projects on battery power to begin with tho. Why risk losing all your work cuz the battery conks out
But, did you turn on low-power mode? And you didn't actually compare the power and performance of the Nvidia-powered platform vs the Apple GPU-powered platform.
When I play BG3 on my M2 MacBook Pro, the battery goes from hero to zero in a matter of minutes. The reason why is quite simple : the Mac battery is not better, the chip is designed to be energy efficient. However a video game is extremely intensive for the chip and there is no energy efficiency when a task is draining the maximum energy as possible from the chip.
Do u have recommendations? Either from m1 pro to m3 pro, for unity developer, i'm unity dev but not really expert yet now, and i wanna choose 14 inch cause 16 inch too big for me, and heavy probably, and i need for long term cause i'm not rich lol
By no means I have any knowledge of what you are doing but still from using a laptop based machine I can surely say these task should be done and reserved to be done on a desktop based machine.
how do i get unity on macOS? there's only a windows download
I thought they have 18hr battery or something
could someone explain how a mac is not capable of gamingen but you are capable of building them??
try do Lightbaking, its just swallows the battery :D
Who devs on a battery anyway?
Who develops games on laptops?
If you PC Game on any of these Macs the battery drains just as fast as on a PC from my testing
I intend on using my iMac so that should work better since you don’t have to charge it 😂
Then why don’t make your mac tied to your charger as well?
that would defeat the purpose of buying a MacBook since the only thing MacBooks are good at is keeping a steady battery life while being powerfully, my MacBook m2 quiet literally can go around half an hour without even dropping a percent of battery life while surfing the web
Why would you not be on a tower
Who uses mac for developing games ?
I don’t think game devs ever had a good time finding themselves away from an outlet, ever?
Who developes games on a Mac laptop on the go?
You're definitely gonna need a charger if you're planning to Mac out a 100W plus chip.
But instead of a giant block it’s still just a thin cord.
Keyshot gang
Nobody plays or mixed games on a laptop
will Intel evo be better?
Should have tried godot instead. Crazy how much unity drains the battery
Why would a game dev make a game on a laptop?
He said this as if previous models handled it better
You gotta give up some thing for the extra portability you can’t have everything a PC can have
You cant run AAA games on battery power you just have to plug it in to prevent battery wearing out just the way windows does then if they cant then they should make their games run exclusively on mac mini, mac studio or mac pro
Eew mac... never would i ever own an apple product...
Unreal
i couldn’t believe it either
Weird take. The battery is obviously going to tank under heavy load...
that’s exactly it - it’s not so obvious for the “long lasting” macbook pros.
xCode: 👀👀
nothing win against the intel atom in batery performance.
I heard a youtuber saying his lasted for 16 hours.
10% screen any typing in notepad maybe :)
not 14h :/
Who tf wants to do this without a power supply?
Why are you doing gamedev on a laptop???
No one gonna mention he has UE4 running, not unity??
why would they? unity devs know what unity looks like
Game devs will never use Apple because you can’t have anti-cheat at a kernel level
not a good idea on apple laptops those boards gonna melt
AMD seems to be missing and based on what I'm seeing he's more of a Mac user (ultimate Mac eco-system type of guy) than Windows
I confirm this
I use a desktop i dont want a mac neither do i want to port any game to Mac cuz its simply not worth it.
Game developers on mac? 😂 what?
Wtf i can run unity activly like 20 hrs on batery mby 22... witch is too much in one nonstop run anyways
Lol yeah because game devs only run unity... Everyone has Unity, 50 tabs open, email, chat etc and we're using desktops because they're cheaper and more powerful.
Macbook M3 Max is S Tier and that's what matters.
who the hell develops on a laptop
What is the point of this video? Game devs gonna have a harder time using the machine? Compared to what?
Is it enough 18 Gb of RAM and a Pro chip for Unity developement?
Windows+ARM will solve it. I hope they will release some laptops in the near feature
no serious game dev use macos ..
Fools pay to be jailed by apple
The Intel would’ve been dead already lol. Plus intel is slower when not plugged in
Intel is 2-3 hours
@@num9146 intel is 30 seconds
@@GamingPIPI actually, 10 seconds🤓
@@num9146 that’s crazy🤯
@@GamingPIPI fr
I rather use a real computer than a MAC to do anything, UESPECIALLY games LOL
The solution is not using unity
Why did ya get m3 if ya already had the m2 lmfao
Because he reviews and tests macs for his youtube channel. That should be obvious. You're here on his channel watching him test the performance of different macbooks
there’s some truth here
Games are developped on Intel platforms for tons of freaking good reasons.
Yuo cant defeat thermodinamics😅
No one develops on macs lol, cos no one games on them
that’s logic right there
Itoddlers keep getting btfod
first....problem....you used a mac for anything related to games. smh
If you think that a laptop can replace a good PC workstation for development... Think again. Stop... Get help...
Yeehh Intel is not wireless 🤷🏻♂️ why buy Intel gaming laptop
So you're sayng that if mac used like windows machine it will last as windows machine ? 🤣
"Intel based" How is this guy a game dev? Biggest Apple fan ever, and Apple "loves" gaming😂😂😂
Especially because the laptops need a big power supply because of the graphics card not the Intel processor. But whatever.
@@gehteuchnichtsan7911 You can custom clock a chip (intel/amd) to prevent it from wasting battery and most laptops don't come with a gpu and just use an apu, but even if they come with a gpu it is usually clcoked down and can also be turned off in favour of integrated graphics
@@gehteuchnichtsan7911 It depends on what things you have... And why do you specifically mention: intel...
Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why the f game de on a fing laptop de ving you do on a workstation not a mobile station. And it just shows how crap the battery is 🤣
Dont use macs for game dev 😂😂😂😂
Even worse with Unreal Engine. No way to work unplugged. 😁