@@riman8493 leagues and MAYBE iRacing's pick up racing. We'll see if rF2's ranked is any good. The RaceRoom ranked is not bad. But you don't play these sims for anything else period. I've played sim racing for a good 8 years at this point. Almost never done anything but run in community leagues. I'm a league rat at heart. It's leagues or nothing with these games.
@@thelizardfolk Actually I changed my mind I don't wanna argue with someone like you. You have an opinion, good on you. Some people play for fun, try to grasp that concept I guess. Gl in your league racing.
@@Nitedontdie league racing is fun. My opinion allows me to enjoy racing sims. Your opinion (presumably) doesn't. Makes you think don't it. Racing sims don't have to be everything to everyone.
Judging by comments sections I've seen recently... I don't agree. No one who plays rF2 couldn't acknowledge it has issues BUT there are fanboys who seem to think rF2 nowadays is normal, acceptable, and the best on the market.
Cause goodness me the AI is busted in that game. Never mind the wheel to wheel racing issues, there's also some weird pit strategy shit there too... like I think if you get fresh tires the AI does too or something bizarre like that.
@@gtmg22b2 leagues is what keeps rF2 going, we at CMS league run a multiclass race yesterday with 42 drivers. On Thursday 22 drivers in stockcar. Come join our discord, you're welcome.
Austin that's not how you make sim racing vids you should title it "REALISTIC nascar crashes!!! In this AMAZING SIMULATOR" and go "wow" every seconds praising the game.
I love rf2, but I can't defend the state of AI in this game. The studio knows the AI are broken and continue to release content without fixing it. I feel bad for anyone trying out rf2 for the first time to race Daytona or Indycar on ovals. Oval racing really is unplayable with AI.
@@Aro3o6 agreed, and you've made some great videos showing the AI issues too. We've gotten updated graphics, new UI, competition system, new tire model, bug fixes...etc..at what point do they finally fix the AI? Seems like never at this point.
They shouldn't advertise the game as if the AI works on ovals. They should say the stock car oval AI is 100% unsupported, because it is right now. Interestingly, RaceRoom has the honesty to say this with their oval content. Arguably rF2's marketing should even say the road course AI is in open beta or alpha or something, cause it could be worse but is NOT good enough for a 'finished product'.
I have a feeling that the devs dont really know what their doing at this point. Well tbh, I already had a feeling back then in 2016-17 when they first started pumping out their roadmaps. The new ui just feels like a website. Unresponsive. The spectator hud makes your game lag to death. Its update rate on the inputs are terrible. And most importantly the new UI chugs my cpu like hell. No other sim/game is chugging my cpu just from the UI alone. As for the AI, tons of problems. Lifting behind a car, the throttle downgrade I talked about in my videos. AI massively understeering for some cars and some even in official content. Safety cars, and so much more. Even F1 challenge 99-02 didnt have this lifting behind a car in a slipstream. Same goes for GTR 2. rFactor 1 had it. Automobilista 1 had it, but reiza fixed it after a few years and it actually worked well. Why couldnt s397 ask reiza how they fixed the lifting behavior? Well I can assume that reiza actually knows more about the isimotor engine more than s397 themselves, and also partly due to s397 not giving a single shit about this issue. Now content wise. Looking back at all the roadmaps. They didnt do much really. ISI were the ones that carried the game imo. While it sucked during 2012-2016 content wise, at least they actually did stuff not only limited to content. S397 is here just to make content like a modding group and the new UI as I said, feels like a website that covers the old UI and redirects your clicks to the old UI in the background, if you get what I mean. And some of you might not know but some of the devs in s397 are actually from unitedracingdesign. Ales Ogrinc for example. What does this mean? Does s397 have zero knowledge on making content and are just hiring modders? I dunno. Now for the roadmaps, most of them were just about trailers and teasers of whats coming Soon(TM). What annoyed me the most is every roadmap had a "Looking Back" section which to me sounds like the s397 devs praising themselves for past updates. i'll be back to continue writing on this. stay tuned. and forgive me for my rant....
@@Aro3o6 While I look forward to reading your whole complete reply, what I've read so far says this: Studio 397 are basically modders who make content, not game devs who can skillfully improve the engine and fix bugs in the code. And I've heard others say the same.
The game engine's AI has its (verrry significant) issues others have noted. BUT what really frustrates me is that three of these glaring issues look like they could be easily fixable. The cars don't spaz bounce if they don't touch the apron, so 397 should just define the AI corridors to keep the cars well away from it! Easy fix. See the braking for no reason at 4:10 and 5:44, as well as the smoke at 3:20, which suggests braking? I suspect there's an AI fast line that doesn't perfectly line up at the start/finish, thus meaning AI cars have to brake to slow down and change direction (a rookie mistake I've made as a learning ISImotor modder). On the road course, the AI cars apparently hit the wall leaving the pits - which is just a misconfigured pit exit line no one bothered to test. If I'm right with my assessments... for what are you paying 397 with this track? To be a subpar modder who can't be bothered to give enough of a damn to test their AIW files? Cause IMO any modder worth their salt wouldn't release a track at version 1.0 with AI in this state. IMO best case scenario, 397 concentrated for this update on the Indy oval (which seems to have had some changes so that the AI experience is not as bad as Austin feared, by the way), neglected the Daytona oval, will realize their errors, and will issue hotfixes. But... judging by the past, I'd be *shocked* if that happens.
Their cars have had and still have some really bad errors that can easily be seen. The Mercedes GT3 has rpm lights that not only do not work at all like the real car, but also what is configured to be unusable, with the yellow turning on at like 5000rpm, with the next light being red, at about 7450 with a 7500 red line. The FFB on the car is also among many cars completely off feeling, something is not right with the suspension. The LMP2s take the cake however. The Oreca shows the red light on 8100rpm, with the red line of 9000. The Ligier (released years later) has the red light closer to 8700rpm. Both cars have the same engine, which is questionable if the real one even reaches 9000rpm. Oh, but also the power curve is wrong, the car has the same power as the real deal, but not as much torque, with the peak being at 8600rpm, indicating it is misplaced. Oh and if you try to run then to the redline the engine will probably not make the end of the race, at least with 12h or more events, so if you drive the Ligier based on the steering wheel the car will blow up. Oh and we are not done, the low downforce kit is broken on the LMP2. In the past it was beyond OP, but I believe if not every league would force you to run high downforce outside of LeMans it would still be quicker. It for no reason chopped a massive amount of body drag off the car, while the front end produced about as much aero as running a single dive plane (even though it should be like the no dive plane config). I have not looked at the values in years, but I think to stop the car doing 350 at LeMans they reduced by how much they cut the body drag, I think the issue of the dive planes is still there. The Oreca has also severe issues with it's brakes, at maximum front bias you still lock the rear disks first, especially when downshifting this can happen. Then use the Ligier I hear people say. Well, only thing realistic, the Ligier is completely uncompetitive against the Oreca. Interesting tid bid: rf2 does allow changing of the model based on upgrades (used for indycars for road course and oval configs). Well, all endurance cars (at least the original ones, have not checked the newer cars) featured on their LeMans aero kit the removal of dive planes on the front. Not the Oreca, it always has both dive planes installed on the model. Then you have the entire thing with their questionable tire model, and I am sure there is way more to find.
couldn't people just create a GOOD AIW for this track and well all tracks that fix those easy issues like the braking and the apron hop issue? or because this is a payed track only Studio397 can make changes.
@@memoNo1719 Lol, some issues exist for more than 8 years. And not only in Rfactor also in Iracing, ACC, AC, AMS, etc. By those standards you'd better find another hobby...
Wow, this just blows me away. I didn't expect it to be such a basic polishing issue, they seriously didn't take the extra pass in development to make sure the lines actually worked in-game? That's downright tragic
397 even broke the AI behaviour so that it only inputs 100% throttle or brake at any time. Which leads to some pretty weird behaviour. I heard they introduced the regression trying to fix the issue where low AI% strength AI weren't going full throttle (a longstanding ISImotor issue) but they never just reverted their changes (which would have kept AI that drove decently). And I think they don't understand their own codebase well enough to have done that at the time (but that's pure conjecture on my part).
I remember the ai being garbage way before that studio 666something took over, there were places on every track that it would crash consistently on one corner, no matter the track/car combo. You ended up spending 90 % of the time driving under full course yellow xd
rF2 is one of the best sims - if not the best - on the market. Simply play it online. Search for a community and have fun. All the sims have their pros and cons. F.E.: iRacing: Best MP System - Bad netcode. Bad tire model. ACC: Best graphics. Best Sounds - Worst netcode. Bad tire model. rF2: Best physics. Best tire model. Best FFB. Best Netcode. - Competitional Multiplayer ("Just-Join-and-have-fun-races"). AI (on SOME tracks or car classes). All in all: Don´t talk half-truth-things about sims, that you obiously did not test enough. It´s no secret, that lots of serious companies use rF2 and rFpro for their professional simulators.
Agree. As someone who plays late nights (9pm PT or later) in North America, there's zero online available for me in rFactor 2. So its' down to the AI... and boy it's hit and miss at best, and always garbage if you leave full course cautions (or rolling starts) enabled.
Once upon a time rF2 was my favorite sim. It actually had pretty decent AI on road courses for a while, then somewhere along the way it was basically broken by updates to other things and was never fixed, and then has continued to get more and more broken because S397 refuses to do anything about it. Haven't touched rF2 in months and won't be again unless something changes drastically
rf2 is still my favorite offline sim. tweak the AI and dont touch ovals and you can have a good experience. cant judge a game off niche content that gets an update every 2 years and no official tracks. which lets be real, they didnt add daytona for ovals, they added it for road racing with the oval variant open for that small niche group that still tries to make oval racing happen on rf2. if your looking for an offline oval racing just go to nr2k3
@@jamiecreighton4127 That's great, I find I have a better offline experience elsewhere. I wasn't even talking about ovals either, I know rF2 has never had good oval AI.
Ai is broken,old news,circle racing ai never worked in rf2. you have to play multiplayer for now,never been a fan of ai racing so it never bothered me. Still s397 need to get their shit together
It's pretty weird. When I play on a free mod version of Daytona, the AI doesn't jump on the brakes at the start-finish line, but apparently they do on the Daytona by S397. When the free mod content works better than your paid DLC content, then there's definitely something wrong.
Bad AI and rFactor franchise go together since the dawn of time probably. Even back in the day rFactor 1 was well known for having pretty much awful AI, which made offline racing really redundant. Which was sad for me, as rFactor 1 served as a natural successor to F1 Challenge 99-02, which in my opinion had much better AI, despite having occasional hiccups as well - but it was still miles ahead of what rF1 gave later. Once rFactor 2 came around, I was really hoping that maybe offline racing would improve. Unfortunately after almost 9 years since the release, rFactor 2 hasn't delivered any improvements in the AI department, and recent months/years feel like it's actually going worse with the time. S397 probably doesn't even care for single player mode that much, since rFactor 2 has become (or trying to become) another eSports darling, with things like Le Mans Virtual Series, competitve rankings being introduced and all that weird online racing culture of present days. I feel old-fashioned, but I really miss simracing titles which put at least decent effort on simulating real life racing series, being realistic and having a respectable offline gameplay, such as GTR 2, Grand Prix 4, F1C 99-02, Richard Burns Rally, NR2003 - those sims which I play or used to play come to my mind. I haven't tried Assetto Corsa Competizione yet, maybe one day I will take a glance. Speaking of rFactor 2 again, don't see any hope for a massive revolution in the future. Ever since rF2 and S397 are under Motorsport Games' umbrella, the emphasise on online competitive racing will only get bigger - of course at the expense of any effort for offline modes. Motosport Games alongside with iRacing are riding on the bandwagon of trying to make simracing a big deal of its own, which I find quite amusing, because they are generating quite a new fanbase within the simracing community. Why am I thinking like this? From my observations, some of the new breed of simracers are not even fans of real world motorsport... This is something I completely don't get it... For me being a simracer has to be connected to being a fan of real world motorsport (in my case - endurance racing and WRC). Nowadays it is not that obvious, which I find completely out of the norm. Or maybe I am just getting old.
I agree, some simracers doesn’t even know what a car is and how it behaves, then they play iracing, go into a race thinking is only a stupid game and wrecks everyone xD
rFactor had all of the tools to do a lot with the AI though. It was all right there. I tweaked and massaged rFactor's AI into some great races. Usually it was that the modders didn't care to create good racing lines, or set proper values for tracks and cars.
@@boogityboogity7633 Or maybe those people only ever do hotlaps or league racing. In that regard i would believe them that it is worth it. But i prefer AI racing, and from this video it looks like an abysmal experience.
As far as i'm aware, rF2 is primarily about circuit racing. How does the AI do there? Circuit racing and oval racing are veeeeery different experiences. While I agree that what you showcased here, Austin, is terrible, I would also not expect a game that's made for circuit racing to have stellar oval AI. Better than this, probably, but still... I would say the headline "rF 2 is borderline unplayable" is harsh, unless the AI is just as bad at what it was made for.
@@RCMgb There's actually an option in the old UI that lets you turn down AI mistakes and other AI settings, I noticed that with the new UI update all the bad AI sliders got turned way up for some reason, wont see any of that in future Rfactor 2 hate videos though
It's fine up until there's a full-course yellow, because the fucking P2 AI always seems to drive horribly slow. P1 always gets a massive advantage during a yellow because of the fact that he's the only one who drives the correct speed behind the safety car while everybody else has to drive at P2's pace. Not to even mention the horrible brake checks by that P2 car.
AI brake checking on straights is a common thread in sim racing games and I can't understand why. Doesn't matter what car, class, or track, they just brake check or let off the gas on straights for no reason.
So a lot of oval AI issues stem from the game engine; ISI-motor has issues, and it powers rFactor 1, Automobilista 1, and RaceRoom. ISI-Motor 2 powers rFactor 2 and is somehow even worse. the Madness engine is apparently built off the ISI-Motor 2 engine, which means PC1, PC2, PC3 and Automobilista 2 all aren't fit for oval racing (Good luck to Reiza as they try to implement oval racing!). What's the modern oval simulator? Not iRacing because 1) I don't have $10k lying around and 2) the tire model has no slip to it, though their AI looks promising. Assetto Corsa? Highly unlikely that they'd voluntarily add it first party for AC2, since mods don't work well with AC. Dare I say this and get caught in the hype, but if Rennsport is running it's own physics, is that possibly the golden ticket? I just hope it's not an NFT game lol
I have to agree with everyone else, AI races on rF2 are just not a thing, stop doing it, I've used just to accelerate the track wear when needed for testing but even that the race line was wrong, very narrow etc. This video is just wrong, rF2 is not made for AI races, is for online races, leagues, championships, either the mod is good or not, that's depends which one, who made it, etc. Because sometimes you can get really good ones and race or watch some really good races, despite the very old graphic engine, glitches, bugs, disconnections from server etc.
As Die Hard Nascar fan as you put it, you should not be using rFactor 2 for Nascar content at all. However, this is not the sum of your full review is it ? What about the other content and road / street racing which rFactor 2 just shines including the AI which is really quit good. iRacing AI for ovals is equally as bad as rFactor 2 AI for ovals IMO. rFactor 2 road/street AI is quit good IMO.
They released AI patch and according to some people AI is now really good in this sim, one of the best out there. I noticed this video was year ago, the patch came last summer so these things are fixed. Brake checking, quickly going on/off throttle and brakes, smoother steering, cars spinning and hitting walls on some circuits. I hear they are now good to race against, they can be aggressive even but fair.
Drafting exists with AI, it's just that even though they have a perfect draft and big speed difference, they won't try to overtake the other AI because there is a roll against their aggressiveness and if it fails, no matter how much it would make sense, they don't try to overtake. They rather tuck in behind until the next corner has passed even if it slows them down. That is why you see cars driving the exact same amount of distance away from each other. They get stuck in this behavior. Pretty sure they treat humans same, even if you make a mistake and are slower, even on a long straight they might just tuck behind you even if it would be an easy pass where they just fly past you. They would have to re-do the AI completely. It should be based on other calculations if they want to pass or not. calculation how much further the next corner is and how big the speed difference is between the two cars plus a gray area where it's difficult to judge so it comes down to aggressiveness if they try to get the nose in, or brake deeper in the corner and trying to cut inside, which they are not capable of doing.
Wow also as a die hard NASCAR and bush truck Series as a sim driver from multiple leagues I find that a false statement I find it quite enjoyable compared to the crap ignition they put out yuck
Hey Austin, once again thank you for being honest. I quit playing RF2 two yrs ago because I was unable to have an offline race on a official oval+ official RF2 content. I tried several recommended setting changes and the game played horribly . Looks will only get you so far.
I'm gonna be honest, the broken AI and the DLC pricing model are the sole problems that are discouraging me from buying rFactor 2. I am a casual Assetto Corsa player and I am enjoying AC even though it isn't perfect. The state of the sim racing industry makes me sad. I honestly want to expand my horizons with games other than AC, but to be honest, It looks like my only (modern racing sim) option as of now is "Choose which fundamentally broken racing simulator to buy; an expansion pack for PCars 2 (AMS 2) (The former I own and immediately threw away), a broken mess that requires you to tweak ini files in order for it to work properly (rFactor 2), a sim with a decent online system but a terrible business model and strict sporting code (iRacing), or a somewhat broken but free game with a $100 content pass and other cars (RaceRoom)". What do I do? (I also cannot reply to comments for some reason)
Install rallysimfans RBR and give up on offline circuit racing, because none of these developers care about it. They are all chasing the mythical esport/online scene and trying to copy iracing and it's going horribly for all of them. I don't care what engine these sims use, hire a god damn software engineer who knows how to program AI and start from scratch.
So if this was rFactor 1, I'd have some suggestions on how to improve the AI. In your PLR file, you'd want to turn on AutoCalibrateAI=1. Then run a test day, let the AI plug away at several laps. That would minimize that wiggle and brake checking at the start finish line. Then I'd head over to the car's .HDV file. Change AIPerfUsage around a little. That's a finicky one, so I don't know immediately what to set it to. Just trial and error. But that will help the AI keep from colliding with you, and slowing down around each other. Finally, if it seems like they have too much grip, and hug the low line unrealistically, I'd go to the track's .GDB and .TDF and start lowering AIDryGrip a little. Set it to 0.90 and see what happens, go from there kinda thing. The idea would be to try and get them to hold their line without the ability to change it with super grip. Mess with some talent files for Aggression and other numbers. Mess with the AILimiter. The problem is that rFactor 2 was built by hiding all of these files away in a zipped up package. Which is nice in theory, but in practice, it makes editing a mod's behavior tedious at best, and buggy because you have to keep track of how you're packaging things carefully. If you want good AI behavior from a similar engine, check out Automobilista 1. It's like the sequel to rFactor, really.
rfactor 2 fanboys are honestly the worst community ive ever seen in gaming, and most of them only started simracing around 2 years ago... havent laughed this much in a 6 min video
Those who are wise have stopped buying ANY dlc from S397. Not one car nor track is without bugs and none have been fixed! The new Daytona in the workshop is just as good and has a properly working AIW in both the road and oval configurations. I knew there would be inexcusable bugs on the release. The new Indycar sucks too. (I tested it never intending to buy it and got refunded) It feels like you are riding on steel rims.
Hopefully they are working on it and progressing. Well, they should, as it directly translates to their Nascar Ignition game, and other future projects. I guess we will see if they have success on solving AI in next quarter update in best case. But I would not be surprised if there aren't going to be any serious AI improvements for much much longer. But once they actually learn how rF2 physics and AI are are stitched, then there probably will be lots of progress and fast.
Few days ago I tried the same combo (with the 2015 stock car). It seems they fixed some of the issues, they don't drive on the apron and they don't brake check at the start/finish line. Also my races were much more tightly packed for the whole stint, I had 2-3 pack of cars for the whole of races. Drafting still doesn't work between AIs (I mean it works but instead of overtaking each other they brake) and the bug with changing the inside/outside line at the start is still there. But not with the Daytona mod in the workshop (which looks as good as the official track and it's free) so the guy who made the AI at S397 is still learning things about modding the AI I guess.
Austin, I'd want to be Racing the Pontiacs madly if that was an Option in Video Games and Real Life. Highkey, I am dismayed at most of the Toyota Designs other than the Supra and I'd like to see Earlier Toyota Cars back again so I would have gotten a kick out bringing back 00 Reutimann's Domino's or Burger King Paint Schemes.
AI behavior is programmed into each track. This is a new track, some of these problems will be adressed in future patches. I'll keep on fanboying. Rf2 is a great sim.
Literally never been able to get the game to work from the gday I’ve bought it, this game fucking sucks I don’t understand how anyone else gets it to work
I’ve been trying to play rF2 over the last few weeks after not touching it for close to two years. I just want it to work. I want it to be easy to setup offline races the way I do in the games I play most. I want it to recognize all my hardware like all the other games I play. I want it to work every time the same every time. I have no plans to buy anymore DLC for this game. Im tired of paying extra for tracks that should be standard in all titles at launch.
You're right. But I'd suggest you go for the big-name title Games for your hop in AI races. You mix up or compare Simracing titles with games with way more funds and much less real-time simulation. The simulation genre still consists of fairly small development teams working on a very complex part of esports. Since the pandemic Simracing took off after 30 years, and finally investments are made. I'm following this development from the very beginning in the 90's and although your comments are on point, you're not helping out in any way. The problem is not only present in RF2, it's a issue in every traditional Sim title. I've learned to have patience over the years and enjoy what we have, and what's in store. A laserscanned track and four detailed cars for 15 bucks is a steal when you compare it to DLC for A titles. This will get better as long as we keep supporting it. Don't kill it please.
Yep, I agree too and I have been In this since 1998. The sad part though Is that when they fix and/or something works better, they wont make a video about It. It´s all drama and hate, they seems to get turned on by that. 30 bucks wont even get you a decent meal but hey let´s kill the king for 30 bucks! Nice!
Tried rfactor 2 again yesterday, after iR it feels like Beta game, i’m serious, even ffb there was a time i liked it a lot, now 1st place: iR, 2nd Raceroom, 3rd Acc
The more i watch your channel, the more I'm comforted in the way I do sim racing : chill cruising, or time attack. Always alone on the track / road. Trackday / Hillclimb simulator
@@ZIGAG1999 yeah probably, I just suck and i don't want to end up being a nuisance for better drivers And I'm not really willing to learn tbh So I race online in forza horizon only, and I feel like I'm Senna there :)
@@FedericoTesta1 I'd say, not enough attention on the contrary. That's why the studios manage to deliver such shitty experiences. Fanboys just answer "just play online and stop complaining about AI"
i think the way to look at it is they are prioritizing other things, its not a company the size of iracing and others. i think they recognize that there biggest appeal is in the league racing scene and put resources into that instead. yeah the ai sucks bad on ovals (ive tried it myself and i agree its not usable) on circuits its enjoyable and the AI can be raced but they still do very strange things. the rf2 community is much more vocal about things like getting a new tyre model onto the GT3 cars and fixing other bugs than they are over the ai. i hope they improve it some day, but it seems that other things are going to come first.
@@toquita3d over priced? the content released today was a track and 3 cars for £14, that gets you one item in iracing. there are plenty of problems with the sim enough where i perfectly understand people for not wanting to use it, not sure if overpriced is one tho
@@callumhambley8431 Dunno, there are plenty of people I've seen on online forums (so take it with a grain of salt, but still) complaining that they'd love to use AI, but it's useless, and so they won't play the game or further support Studio 397 financially. Maybe a vocal minority, but there appears to be plenty of them out there... and many of them have already been chased away from the game, it seems.
@@callumhambley8431 Also, I respect your desire in your first comment to be balanced and not lampoon something without any positivity -- cause rF2 isn't uniformly horrid, you're right. But goodness it's uneven, and often a very poor experience with the wrong car/track combo. Never mind all the fundamental game engine-level bugs, especially around AI.
Complaining about a $13ca game that has been iffy from its conception.......you have so many more important things to complain about than rF2 fo sho! I mean....that is what your vids are all about correct? Or am I wrong and only seem to view your vids that are nothing but complaints that go on for ever and ever it seems.
More like RFactor 2 Daytona Oval AI is borderline unplayable... I'd feel the same way in that regard tho, more often than not AI tends to punt me off when racing close too.
You don't play racing sims for AI racing. Like ever.
Yeah, well, you know, that’s just like, your opinion, man.
You don't play them for rando multiplayer lobbies, either... so, what exactly are we paying for at the end of the day?
@@riman8493 leagues and MAYBE iRacing's pick up racing. We'll see if rF2's ranked is any good. The RaceRoom ranked is not bad. But you don't play these sims for anything else period. I've played sim racing for a good 8 years at this point. Almost never done anything but run in community leagues. I'm a league rat at heart. It's leagues or nothing with these games.
@@thelizardfolk Actually I changed my mind I don't wanna argue with someone like you. You have an opinion, good on you. Some people play for fun, try to grasp that concept I guess. Gl in your league racing.
@@Nitedontdie league racing is fun. My opinion allows me to enjoy racing sims. Your opinion (presumably) doesn't. Makes you think don't it. Racing sims don't have to be everything to everyone.
We thought they'd make NASCAR 21: Ignition drive as well as rF2. Turns out, they made rF2 drive as well as NASCAR 21: Ignition.
Boy, yikes... 5 minutes of pure slaughter
Uh oh, the rFactor 2 fanboys are gonna go crazy and cry!
Those don't exist, everyone who plays rF2 hates it. The only insane fanboys out there left are the iRacing idiots.
Judging by comments sections I've seen recently... I don't agree. No one who plays rF2 couldn't acknowledge it has issues BUT there are fanboys who seem to think rF2 nowadays is normal, acceptable, and the best on the market.
@@mjqt9921 i uninstalled after mins of gameplay.
Interesting how nascar racing season 2003 is still the only working nascar simulator on pc after all these years
So when are you gonna do a video ripping apart assetto corsa
Cause goodness me the AI is busted in that game. Never mind the wheel to wheel racing issues, there's also some weird pit strategy shit there too... like I think if you get fresh tires the AI does too or something bizarre like that.
Asseto Corsa isn’t in active development you can rip it apart as much as you want it’s not getting fixed
@@mjqt9921 yeah but the driving sucks
hey you better watch what you say. lmao kidding bro, love your content.
If only I had really known what I was getting into when starting to Sim-race.
haters gona hate...
I agree with everything
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You don´t seem to be saying that now about rF2 from what I have seen lately, nice change of shirt!
still
AI isn't a priority in rf2, the sim is focused on online simulation.
no wonder NASCAR 21: Ignition on steam is only 10 players because of u!😂
@@gtmg22b2 leagues is what keeps rF2 going, we at CMS league run a multiclass race yesterday with 42 drivers. On Thursday 22 drivers in stockcar. Come join our discord, you're welcome.
@@ebeninca Cult is not our thing!
@@gtmg22b2 it's not a cult, we play other sims too. Monday ACC, Wednesday iRacing, Friday AMS2. Just pick one or more and be happy.
Austin that's not how you make sim racing vids you should title it "REALISTIC nascar crashes!!! In this AMAZING SIMULATOR" and go "wow" every seconds praising the game.
haha this is gold
I love rf2, but I can't defend the state of AI in this game. The studio knows the AI are broken and continue to release content without fixing it. I feel bad for anyone trying out rf2 for the first time to race Daytona or Indycar on ovals. Oval racing really is unplayable with AI.
This. This is my number one complaint, honestly its bullshit.
@@Aro3o6 agreed, and you've made some great videos showing the AI issues too. We've gotten updated graphics, new UI, competition system, new tire model, bug fixes...etc..at what point do they finally fix the AI? Seems like never at this point.
They shouldn't advertise the game as if the AI works on ovals. They should say the stock car oval AI is 100% unsupported, because it is right now. Interestingly, RaceRoom has the honesty to say this with their oval content. Arguably rF2's marketing should even say the road course AI is in open beta or alpha or something, cause it could be worse but is NOT good enough for a 'finished product'.
I have a feeling that the devs dont really know what their doing at this point. Well tbh, I already had a feeling back then in 2016-17 when they first started pumping out their roadmaps.
The new ui just feels like a website. Unresponsive. The spectator hud makes your game lag to death. Its update rate on the inputs are terrible. And most importantly the new UI chugs my cpu like hell. No other sim/game is chugging my cpu just from the UI alone.
As for the AI, tons of problems. Lifting behind a car, the throttle downgrade I talked about in my videos. AI massively understeering for some cars and some even in official content. Safety cars, and so much more. Even F1 challenge 99-02 didnt have this lifting behind a car in a slipstream. Same goes for GTR 2. rFactor 1 had it. Automobilista 1 had it, but reiza fixed it after a few years and it actually worked well. Why couldnt s397 ask reiza how they fixed the lifting behavior? Well I can assume that reiza actually knows more about the isimotor engine more than s397 themselves, and also partly due to s397 not giving a single shit about this issue.
Now content wise. Looking back at all the roadmaps. They didnt do much really. ISI were the ones that carried the game imo. While it sucked during 2012-2016 content wise, at least they actually did stuff not only limited to content. S397 is here just to make content like a modding group and the new UI as I said, feels like a website that covers the old UI and redirects your clicks to the old UI in the background, if you get what I mean. And some of you might not know but some of the devs in s397 are actually from unitedracingdesign. Ales Ogrinc for example. What does this mean? Does s397 have zero knowledge on making content and are just hiring modders? I dunno.
Now for the roadmaps, most of them were just about trailers and teasers of whats coming Soon(TM). What annoyed me the most is every roadmap had a "Looking Back" section which to me sounds like the s397 devs praising themselves for past updates.
i'll be back to continue writing on this. stay tuned. and forgive me for my rant....
@@Aro3o6 While I look forward to reading your whole complete reply, what I've read so far says this: Studio 397 are basically modders who make content, not game devs who can skillfully improve the engine and fix bugs in the code. And I've heard others say the same.
The game engine's AI has its (verrry significant) issues others have noted. BUT what really frustrates me is that three of these glaring issues look like they could be easily fixable. The cars don't spaz bounce if they don't touch the apron, so 397 should just define the AI corridors to keep the cars well away from it! Easy fix. See the braking for no reason at 4:10 and 5:44, as well as the smoke at 3:20, which suggests braking? I suspect there's an AI fast line that doesn't perfectly line up at the start/finish, thus meaning AI cars have to brake to slow down and change direction (a rookie mistake I've made as a learning ISImotor modder). On the road course, the AI cars apparently hit the wall leaving the pits - which is just a misconfigured pit exit line no one bothered to test.
If I'm right with my assessments... for what are you paying 397 with this track? To be a subpar modder who can't be bothered to give enough of a damn to test their AIW files? Cause IMO any modder worth their salt wouldn't release a track at version 1.0 with AI in this state.
IMO best case scenario, 397 concentrated for this update on the Indy oval (which seems to have had some changes so that the AI experience is not as bad as Austin feared, by the way), neglected the Daytona oval, will realize their errors, and will issue hotfixes. But... judging by the past, I'd be *shocked* if that happens.
Their cars have had and still have some really bad errors that can easily be seen. The Mercedes GT3 has rpm lights that not only do not work at all like the real car, but also what is configured to be unusable, with the yellow turning on at like 5000rpm, with the next light being red, at about 7450 with a 7500 red line. The FFB on the car is also among many cars completely off feeling, something is not right with the suspension.
The LMP2s take the cake however. The Oreca shows the red light on 8100rpm, with the red line of 9000. The Ligier (released years later) has the red light closer to 8700rpm. Both cars have the same engine, which is questionable if the real one even reaches 9000rpm. Oh, but also the power curve is wrong, the car has the same power as the real deal, but not as much torque, with the peak being at 8600rpm, indicating it is misplaced. Oh and if you try to run then to the redline the engine will probably not make the end of the race, at least with 12h or more events, so if you drive the Ligier based on the steering wheel the car will blow up.
Oh and we are not done, the low downforce kit is broken on the LMP2. In the past it was beyond OP, but I believe if not every league would force you to run high downforce outside of LeMans it would still be quicker. It for no reason chopped a massive amount of body drag off the car, while the front end produced about as much aero as running a single dive plane (even though it should be like the no dive plane config). I have not looked at the values in years, but I think to stop the car doing 350 at LeMans they reduced by how much they cut the body drag, I think the issue of the dive planes is still there.
The Oreca has also severe issues with it's brakes, at maximum front bias you still lock the rear disks first, especially when downshifting this can happen. Then use the Ligier I hear people say. Well, only thing realistic, the Ligier is completely uncompetitive against the Oreca.
Interesting tid bid: rf2 does allow changing of the model based on upgrades (used for indycars for road course and oval configs). Well, all endurance cars (at least the original ones, have not checked the newer cars) featured on their LeMans aero kit the removal of dive planes on the front. Not the Oreca, it always has both dive planes installed on the model.
Then you have the entire thing with their questionable tire model, and I am sure there is way more to find.
couldn't people just create a GOOD AIW for this track and well all tracks that fix those easy issues like the braking and the apron hop issue? or because this is a payed track only Studio397 can make changes.
I stopped supporting S397 since Monza.
Still not fixed AIW!
SINCE JUNE 2021
@@memoNo1719
Lol, some issues exist for more than 8 years.
And not only in Rfactor also in Iracing, ACC, AC, AMS, etc.
By those standards you'd better find another hobby...
Wow, this just blows me away. I didn't expect it to be such a basic polishing issue, they seriously didn't take the extra pass in development to make sure the lines actually worked in-game? That's downright tragic
I remember when I first got into simracing, people told me RF2 had the best offline experience ever
397 even broke the AI behaviour so that it only inputs 100% throttle or brake at any time. Which leads to some pretty weird behaviour. I heard they introduced the regression trying to fix the issue where low AI% strength AI weren't going full throttle (a longstanding ISImotor issue) but they never just reverted their changes (which would have kept AI that drove decently). And I think they don't understand their own codebase well enough to have done that at the time (but that's pure conjecture on my part).
@@mjqt9921 Agreed. Not understanding ISI's code is probably what happened.
I remember the ai being garbage way before that studio 666something took over, there were places on every track that it would crash consistently on one corner, no matter the track/car combo. You ended up spending 90 % of the time driving under full course yellow xd
Motorsports Games strikes again
rF2 is one of the best sims - if not the best - on the market. Simply play it online. Search for a community and have fun.
All the sims have their pros and cons.
F.E.:
iRacing: Best MP System - Bad netcode. Bad tire model.
ACC: Best graphics. Best Sounds - Worst netcode. Bad tire model.
rF2: Best physics. Best tire model. Best FFB. Best Netcode. - Competitional Multiplayer ("Just-Join-and-have-fun-races"). AI (on SOME tracks or car classes).
All in all: Don´t talk half-truth-things about sims, that you obiously did not test enough. It´s no secret, that lots of serious companies use rF2 and rFpro for their professional simulators.
First time hearing of rFpro. Thanks for mentioning it- this is some interesting stuff.
I'll stick with AMS2, thanks, but not thanks
Why Austin it went into the laser scanned Daytona track. And the marketing for it. AI can be patched in a future update, etc, etc. /Sarcasm
the money went into licencing imagine dragons songs for n21
Agree. As someone who plays late nights (9pm PT or later) in North America, there's zero online available for me in rFactor 2. So its' down to the AI... and boy it's hit and miss at best, and always garbage if you leave full course cautions (or rolling starts) enabled.
There’s tons of leagues
Once upon a time rF2 was my favorite sim. It actually had pretty decent AI on road courses for a while, then somewhere along the way it was basically broken by updates to other things and was never fixed, and then has continued to get more and more broken because S397 refuses to do anything about it. Haven't touched rF2 in months and won't be again unless something changes drastically
rf2 is still my favorite offline sim. tweak the AI and dont touch ovals and you can have a good experience. cant judge a game off niche content that gets an update every 2 years and no official tracks. which lets be real, they didnt add daytona for ovals, they added it for road racing with the oval variant open for that small niche group that still tries to make oval racing happen on rf2. if your looking for an offline oval racing just go to nr2k3
@@jamiecreighton4127 That's great, I find I have a better offline experience elsewhere. I wasn't even talking about ovals either, I know rF2 has never had good oval AI.
Ai is broken,old news,circle racing ai never worked in rf2.
you have to play multiplayer for now,never been a fan of ai racing so it never bothered me.
Still s397 need to get their shit together
It's pretty weird. When I play on a free mod version of Daytona, the AI doesn't jump on the brakes at the start-finish line, but apparently they do on the Daytona by S397. When the free mod content works better than your paid DLC content, then there's definitely something wrong.
Nobody plays Nascar Oval IA on rfactor lol
All online servers are just AI🤣
Crap is broken! I am so thankful to be able to have iRacing.
Bad AI and rFactor franchise go together since the dawn of time probably. Even back in the day rFactor 1 was well known for having pretty much awful AI, which made offline racing really redundant. Which was sad for me, as rFactor 1 served as a natural successor to F1 Challenge 99-02, which in my opinion had much better AI, despite having occasional hiccups as well - but it was still miles ahead of what rF1 gave later. Once rFactor 2 came around, I was really hoping that maybe offline racing would improve. Unfortunately after almost 9 years since the release, rFactor 2 hasn't delivered any improvements in the AI department, and recent months/years feel like it's actually going worse with the time. S397 probably doesn't even care for single player mode that much, since rFactor 2 has become (or trying to become) another eSports darling, with things like Le Mans Virtual Series, competitve rankings being introduced and all that weird online racing culture of present days. I feel old-fashioned, but I really miss simracing titles which put at least decent effort on simulating real life racing series, being realistic and having a respectable offline gameplay, such as GTR 2, Grand Prix 4, F1C 99-02, Richard Burns Rally, NR2003 - those sims which I play or used to play come to my mind. I haven't tried Assetto Corsa Competizione yet, maybe one day I will take a glance. Speaking of rFactor 2 again, don't see any hope for a massive revolution in the future. Ever since rF2 and S397 are under Motorsport Games' umbrella, the emphasise on online competitive racing will only get bigger - of course at the expense of any effort for offline modes. Motosport Games alongside with iRacing are riding on the bandwagon of trying to make simracing a big deal of its own, which I find quite amusing, because they are generating quite a new fanbase within the simracing community. Why am I thinking like this? From my observations, some of the new breed of simracers are not even fans of real world motorsport... This is something I completely don't get it... For me being a simracer has to be connected to being a fan of real world motorsport (in my case - endurance racing and WRC). Nowadays it is not that obvious, which I find completely out of the norm. Or maybe I am just getting old.
I agree, some simracers doesn’t even know what a car is and how it behaves, then they play iracing, go into a race thinking is only a stupid game and wrecks everyone xD
I'm glad someone still mentions GTR2 (in a positive light) in this day and age.
rFactor had all of the tools to do a lot with the AI though. It was all right there. I tweaked and massaged rFactor's AI into some great races. Usually it was that the modders didn't care to create good racing lines, or set proper values for tracks and cars.
I disagree
@@bernl178 Wow, very expressive. Maybe explain why and with what are you disagreeing.
this doesn't help the game at all given all the backlash Motorsport Games are getting.
Why do people keep recommending this game to me is an absolute mystery when the AI racing is so awful.
They don’t actually play the game just say the same buzzwords everyone else does
@@boogityboogity7633 Or maybe those people only ever do hotlaps or league racing. In that regard i would believe them that it is worth it. But i prefer AI racing, and from this video it looks like an abysmal experience.
@@TomLehockySVK You'd be correct. If you're considering getting rfactor 2 for ai experience, right now isn't the time.
As far as i'm aware, rF2 is primarily about circuit racing. How does the AI do there?
Circuit racing and oval racing are veeeeery different experiences. While I agree that what you showcased here, Austin, is terrible, I would also not expect a game that's made for circuit racing to have stellar oval AI. Better than this, probably, but still... I would say the headline "rF 2 is borderline unplayable" is harsh, unless the AI is just as bad at what it was made for.
Circuit racing is probably even worse IMO with AI
@@RCMgb There's actually an option in the old UI that lets you turn down AI mistakes and other AI settings, I noticed that with the new UI update all the bad AI sliders got turned way up for some reason, wont see any of that in future Rfactor 2 hate videos though
It's fine up until there's a full-course yellow, because the fucking P2 AI always seems to drive horribly slow. P1 always gets a massive advantage during a yellow because of the fact that he's the only one who drives the correct speed behind the safety car while everybody else has to drive at P2's pace. Not to even mention the horrible brake checks by that P2 car.
AI brake checking on straights is a common thread in sim racing games and I can't understand why. Doesn't matter what car, class, or track, they just brake check or let off the gas on straights for no reason.
I'm willing to bet it has to do something to do with a AI pathing section starting and ending on a curve
@@dylanhale7300 I don't know. I swear sometimes they brake in the middle of the straight, not at entry or near the braking zone.
So a lot of oval AI issues stem from the game engine; ISI-motor has issues, and it powers rFactor 1, Automobilista 1, and RaceRoom. ISI-Motor 2 powers rFactor 2 and is somehow even worse. the Madness engine is apparently built off the ISI-Motor 2 engine, which means PC1, PC2, PC3 and Automobilista 2 all aren't fit for oval racing (Good luck to Reiza as they try to implement oval racing!). What's the modern oval simulator? Not iRacing because 1) I don't have $10k lying around and 2) the tire model has no slip to it, though their AI looks promising. Assetto Corsa? Highly unlikely that they'd voluntarily add it first party for AC2, since mods don't work well with AC.
Dare I say this and get caught in the hype, but if Rennsport is running it's own physics, is that possibly the golden ticket? I just hope it's not an NFT game lol
I have to agree with everyone else, AI races on rF2 are just not a thing, stop doing it, I've used just to accelerate the track wear when needed for testing but even that the race line was wrong, very narrow etc. This video is just wrong, rF2 is not made for AI races, is for online races, leagues, championships, either the mod is good or not, that's depends which one, who made it, etc. Because sometimes you can get really good ones and race or watch some really good races, despite the very old graphic engine, glitches, bugs, disconnections from server etc.
Where all the money went? Into the events, making you buy their shit products. Everyone can be paid for promotion with money nowadays...
As Die Hard Nascar fan as you put it, you should not be using rFactor 2 for Nascar content at all.
However, this is not the sum of your full review is it ? What about the other content and road / street racing which rFactor 2 just shines including the AI which is really quit good.
iRacing AI for ovals is equally as bad as rFactor 2 AI for ovals IMO. rFactor 2 road/street AI is quit good IMO.
JFC, this is awful. Sad when games from 20 years ago work better than this new stuff.
They released AI patch and according to some people AI is now really good in this sim, one of the best out there. I noticed this video was year ago, the patch came last summer so these things are fixed. Brake checking, quickly going on/off throttle and brakes, smoother steering, cars spinning and hitting walls on some circuits. I hear they are now good to race against, they can be aggressive even but fair.
Drafting exists with AI, it's just that even though they have a perfect draft and big speed difference, they won't try to overtake the other AI because there is a roll against their aggressiveness and if it fails, no matter how much it would make sense, they don't try to overtake. They rather tuck in behind until the next corner has passed even if it slows them down. That is why you see cars driving the exact same amount of distance away from each other. They get stuck in this behavior. Pretty sure they treat humans same, even if you make a mistake and are slower, even on a long straight they might just tuck behind you even if it would be an easy pass where they just fly past you. They would have to re-do the AI completely.
It should be based on other calculations if they want to pass or not. calculation how much further the next corner is and how big the speed difference is between the two cars plus a gray area where it's difficult to judge so it comes down to aggressiveness if they try to get the nose in, or brake deeper in the corner and trying to cut inside, which they are not capable of doing.
Wow also as a die hard NASCAR and bush truck Series as a sim driver from multiple leagues I find that a false statement I find it quite enjoyable compared to the crap ignition they put out yuck
Hey Austin, once again thank you for being honest. I quit playing RF2 two yrs ago because I was unable to have an offline race on a official oval+ official RF2 content. I tried several recommended setting changes and the game played horribly .
Looks will only get you so far.
I wonder how good the ai in iracing is...oh wait 🌚
iRacing's had AI for a few years now.
I'm gonna be honest, the broken AI and the DLC pricing model are the sole problems that are discouraging me from buying rFactor 2.
I am a casual Assetto Corsa player and I am enjoying AC even though it isn't perfect.
The state of the sim racing industry makes me sad. I honestly want to expand my horizons with games other than AC, but to be honest, It looks like my only (modern racing sim) option as of now is "Choose which fundamentally broken racing simulator to buy; an expansion pack for PCars 2 (AMS 2) (The former I own and immediately threw away), a broken mess that requires you to tweak ini files in order for it to work properly (rFactor 2), a sim with a decent online system but a terrible business model and strict sporting code (iRacing), or a somewhat broken but free game with a $100 content pass and other cars (RaceRoom)".
What do I do? (I also cannot reply to comments for some reason)
Install rallysimfans RBR and give up on offline circuit racing, because none of these developers care about it. They are all chasing the mythical esport/online scene and trying to copy iracing and it's going horribly for all of them. I don't care what engine these sims use, hire a god damn software engineer who knows how to program AI and start from scratch.
Stick to AC. Worth considering ACC too tho, has best AI racing by long shot, IMO.
lol with the way the white car overtook and brake checked i think this game might be a good eastern europe highway simulator
AI on sims? Really?
At least Reiza is devoting resources to improving AI, as is Iracing, but then you pay a lot for a service where you never get to own the content.
Rf2 AI problem is that... They have simplified tyremodel
Wow, you must be a PRO based on this review! SO glad I saw this and wasted my time. You must be melting eh?
I'm surprised you even gave MG/S397 money lol
rfactor 2 and Studio397 have been around longer than motorsports games.
So if this was rFactor 1, I'd have some suggestions on how to improve the AI.
In your PLR file, you'd want to turn on AutoCalibrateAI=1. Then run a test day, let the AI plug away at several laps. That would minimize that wiggle and brake checking at the start finish line.
Then I'd head over to the car's .HDV file. Change AIPerfUsage around a little. That's a finicky one, so I don't know immediately what to set it to. Just trial and error. But that will help the AI keep from colliding with you, and slowing down around each other.
Finally, if it seems like they have too much grip, and hug the low line unrealistically, I'd go to the track's .GDB and .TDF and start lowering AIDryGrip a little. Set it to 0.90 and see what happens, go from there kinda thing. The idea would be to try and get them to hold their line without the ability to change it with super grip.
Mess with some talent files for Aggression and other numbers. Mess with the AILimiter.
The problem is that rFactor 2 was built by hiding all of these files away in a zipped up package. Which is nice in theory, but in practice, it makes editing a mod's behavior tedious at best, and buggy because you have to keep track of how you're packaging things carefully.
If you want good AI behavior from a similar engine, check out Automobilista 1. It's like the sequel to rFactor, really.
this doesn't seem to bode well for the upcoming Indy car console game.
The cars slow to keep the average pace, set the ai level higher it won't happen as much, granted ai in rf2 sucks
I don't even think they have all the NASCAR tracks and it's been years. It's dead.
rfactor 2 fanboys are honestly the worst community ive ever seen in gaming, and most of them only started simracing around 2 years ago...
havent laughed this much in a 6 min video
How the hell was RF1 better than this?
Those who are wise have stopped buying ANY dlc from S397. Not one car nor track is without bugs and none have been fixed! The new Daytona in the workshop is just as good and has a properly working AIW in both the road and oval configurations.
I knew there would be inexcusable bugs on the release. The new Indycar sucks too. (I tested it never intending to buy it and got refunded) It feels like you are riding on steel rims.
Yeah. I thought so too when it released..
Hopefully they are working on it and progressing. Well, they should, as it directly translates to their Nascar Ignition game, and other future projects. I guess we will see if they have success on solving AI in next quarter update in best case. But I would not be surprised if there aren't going to be any serious AI improvements for much much longer. But once they actually learn how rF2 physics and AI are are stitched, then there probably will be lots of progress and fast.
How is it now for you?
Some good points with evidence. The problem maybe is management and not the game/devs itself.
Few days ago I tried the same combo (with the 2015 stock car). It seems they fixed some of the issues, they don't drive on the apron and they don't brake check at the start/finish line. Also my races were much more tightly packed for the whole stint, I had 2-3 pack of cars for the whole of races.
Drafting still doesn't work between AIs (I mean it works but instead of overtaking each other they brake) and the bug with changing the inside/outside line at the start is still there. But not with the Daytona mod in the workshop (which looks as good as the official track and it's free) so the guy who made the AI at S397 is still learning things about modding the AI I guess.
Austin, I'd want to be Racing the Pontiacs madly if that was an Option in Video Games and Real Life. Highkey, I am dismayed at most of the Toyota Designs other than the Supra and I'd like to see Earlier Toyota Cars back again so I would have gotten a kick out bringing back 00 Reutimann's Domino's or Burger King Paint Schemes.
Motorsport games 🍵
AI behavior is programmed into each track. This is a new track, some of these problems will be adressed in future patches. I'll keep on fanboying. Rf2 is a great sim.
Or they could test it before they release it.
Go for Rocket League
Atleast rf2 is playable the same cannot be said for NASCAR 21
Literally never been able to get the game to work from the gday I’ve bought it, this game fucking sucks I don’t understand how anyone else gets it to work
no mimi map🤣🤣🤣🤣
Does ignition have only ovals or the track section inside of ring stuff? It’s the only isi motor game on console that even exists I think? For now …
Those butthurt rfactor 2 fanboys are having a hard time accepting that their game have weaknesses
I cant even get out of pit lane in some tracks, i get penalty without over speeding when doing manual exit, if i try auto pilot the car hit walls.
I’ve been trying to play rF2 over the last few weeks after not touching it for close to two years. I just want it to work. I want it to be easy to setup offline races the way I do in the games I play most. I want it to recognize all my hardware like all the other games I play. I want it to work every time the same every time.
I have no plans to buy anymore DLC for this game. Im tired of paying extra for tracks that should be standard in all titles at launch.
The part at 4:15 is funny. It only concern a some stupdily rare breed of peeps.
Man it's gonna be great once you do an Rfactor 2 review on cars and tracks devoted to the Rfactor 2 style and stop cherrypicking everything
Nah wont happen, to review is to be critical, no matter the game
Reminds me of BigFry on YT which loves to bash every FPS game that he feels like, even after saying some months back that It was great!
I don’t know that i’ve ever used rf2’s ai.
Nobody cares about IA except people who never run rf2 and need to complain about something.
You're right.
But I'd suggest you go for the big-name title Games for your hop in AI races.
You mix up or compare Simracing titles with games with way more funds and much less real-time simulation.
The simulation genre still consists of fairly small development teams working on a very complex part of esports.
Since the pandemic Simracing took off after 30 years, and finally investments are made.
I'm following this development from the very beginning in the 90's and although your comments are on point, you're not helping out in any way.
The problem is not only present in RF2, it's a issue in every traditional Sim title.
I've learned to have patience over the years and enjoy what we have, and what's in store.
A laserscanned track and four detailed cars for 15 bucks is a steal when you compare it to DLC for A titles.
This will get better as long as we keep supporting it.
Don't kill it please.
lol
Yep, I agree too and I have been In this since 1998. The sad part though Is that when they fix and/or something works better, they wont make a video about It. It´s all drama and hate, they seems to get turned on by that. 30 bucks wont even get you a decent meal but hey let´s kill the king for 30 bucks! Nice!
Does rF2 even handle oval racing at all?
Issue a refund immediately
A bit of topic, but do you still have the eternal science project video you made or is it completely gone?
I think it's gone :(
@@AustinOgonoski that's unfortunate
Tried rfactor 2 again yesterday, after iR it feels like Beta game, i’m serious, even ffb there was a time i liked it a lot, now 1st place: iR, 2nd Raceroom, 3rd Acc
AI=artificial idiots
The more i watch your channel, the more I'm comforted in the way I do sim racing : chill cruising, or time attack. Always alone on the track / road.
Trackday / Hillclimb simulator
tbf racing online is good to. however only in leagues will you get great clean racing.
agreed, i think i just played with ai once and then i said myself that AI is just non sense. Too much attention and hype on stupid AI
@@ZIGAG1999 yeah probably, I just suck and i don't want to end up being a nuisance for better drivers
And I'm not really willing to learn tbh
So I race online in forza horizon only, and I feel like I'm Senna there :)
@@FedericoTesta1 I'd say, not enough attention on the contrary. That's why the studios manage to deliver such shitty experiences. Fanboys just answer "just play online and stop complaining about AI"
i think the way to look at it is they are prioritizing other things, its not a company the size of iracing and others. i think they recognize that there biggest appeal is in the league racing scene and put resources into that instead. yeah the ai sucks bad on ovals (ive tried it myself and i agree its not usable) on circuits its enjoyable and the AI can be raced but they still do very strange things.
the rf2 community is much more vocal about things like getting a new tyre model onto the GT3 cars and fixing other bugs than they are over the ai.
i hope they improve it some day, but it seems that other things are going to come first.
They prioritize selling overpriced cars/tracks while the base game is broken and has been broken for years.
When Studio397 bought the rights to rF2, I hoped the game would turn out better than it was. It didn't.
@@toquita3d over priced? the content released today was a track and 3 cars for £14, that gets you one item in iracing.
there are plenty of problems with the sim enough where i perfectly understand people for not wanting to use it, not sure if overpriced is one tho
@@callumhambley8431 Dunno, there are plenty of people I've seen on online forums (so take it with a grain of salt, but still) complaining that they'd love to use AI, but it's useless, and so they won't play the game or further support Studio 397 financially. Maybe a vocal minority, but there appears to be plenty of them out there... and many of them have already been chased away from the game, it seems.
@@callumhambley8431 Also, I respect your desire in your first comment to be balanced and not lampoon something without any positivity -- cause rF2 isn't uniformly horrid, you're right. But goodness it's uneven, and often a very poor experience with the wrong car/track combo. Never mind all the fundamental game engine-level bugs, especially around AI.
Complaining about a $13ca game that has been iffy from its conception.......you have so many more important things to complain about than rF2 fo sho! I mean....that is what your vids are all about correct? Or am I wrong and only seem to view your vids that are nothing but complaints that go on for ever and ever it seems.
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More like RFactor 2 Daytona Oval AI is borderline unplayable... I'd feel the same way in that regard tho, more often than not AI tends to punt me off when racing close too.