I’ve not noticed difference based on temp with thin barrels at 350 meters or beyond. I think it’s mostly mental this idea. Guys shoot hit then lose focus and hurt accuracy. It’s common to lose interest after meeting your expectations then repeating the process. Everytime you shoot you should shoot till you fail. Meaning you meet expectations then make it harder until you can’t meet it. This keeps your focus heightened at every target and comfortable knowing you plan to push till failure taking ego out of the equation also which hurts shooters progress.
Pencil barrels are definitely way more capable than the internet forums would make you believe. It's 98% shooter capability. Love the lightweight, simple setup.
It's because they used to be worse. Many years ago when barrel metallurgy was a little less advanced, the heat-buildup problem was more of a thing with pencil barrels.
Exactly what I was thinking. If there's any difference in accuracy between a cold and hot barrel, it's not going to be enough difference to make a difference, as Paul Harrell would say, in hunting and tactical applications.
“High end” are objectively capability-increasing that can not be replaced, regardless of whether you have the best fundamentals in the world. A premium optic will be more precise than irons 100 times out of 100, all things being equal.
@AlphaMindset-zq5qv Accuracy is never resigned to “accuracy tests”; it’s the prerequisite to *ALL* uses of a firearm. Never ever has a responsible, competent, nor effective shooter said “I wish my firearm was less accurate.” …NTM the fact they’ve never said “I wish I shot slower and was less target focused” both of which a Red dot is objectively superior at ameliorating.
I'm basically a pistol caliber levergun guy in my 70s. I do have one simple 16" AR15 consisting of a PSA Freedom upper and a standard Anderson lower. Carry handle sights. A $425 carbine. In the woods where I live, all my neighbors are shooters, and we all have our own ranges, and we gather for informal shooting at times. Everyone has high dollar scoped AR's with tons of stuff on them. Yet I consistently outshoot them all with my plain Jane carbine with iron sights. I've seen a few start fiddling with their scopes, pulling parts off, and doing stuff with their phones with shooting programs. I just smile and watch them and their "technology" and keep on shooting my "cheap" simple carbine. Or I'll use one of my open sight leverguns and do the same thing. I tell them its not the bow or arrow, it's the Indian. I'm not bragging, but rather I'm pointing out the fact that all the bells and whistles in the world will not make up for poor shooting skills.
Great story 👍 I also am a big fan of PSA rifles and have owned many and they have performed very well considering their price point. I have had rifles costing two and three times more than the PSA guns and did not shoot any better.
From the perspective of someone who manufacturers your barrels (your welcome, btw❤️) I can tell you this: Reid mentioned your rifle (your barrel) not liking a particular load. This is the most critical element other than your skill. The harmonics need to be consistent and well... harmonious! It's a mathematic equation that involves: twist rate, length of barrel, weight of bullet and propellant consistency and bullet consistency. There is an ideal load for each barrel (or almost ideal.) Buy three or four loads of different weights/mfgrs and group them. Find which is tightest. Use that one. It helps a lot too to purchase 1,000 or more of that ammo from the same lot. A little reading before testing helps. If you had say a 20" 1/12 twist barrel, you'd never get any better accuracy than with a 55gr bullet. The twist won't stabilize heavy bullets. Just as a general rule. Anyways, shoot a lot, barrels need to be sold.
@@sfertonoc I've never considered the bullet softening the metal for the microsecond that it passes (chrome, 416R, 4140 or whatever.) Interesting. There is friction, pressure and the gas expansion heat. But I'd venture to guess that there is no melting or deformation due to heat (only friction wear) since whatever thermal transfer occurs from the bullet would instantly share the heat with the whole of the barrel... Not enough heat for not enough time.
@@sfertonoc when I say harmonics, I'm referring to barrel whip. And to a lesser degree, the rifling being in agreement or harmony with the bullet design.
People tend to forget most mamals have a 10-12 inch kill zone. It's not nessasary to shoot sub MOA groups to put dinner on the table or eliminate a threat.
@@joshuafreeman4459 Even in war, most sniper kills are shooting from cover at targets in open areas from distance. 800 - 1000 yards +. The Carlos Hathcock 300 yard through the rifle scope kills are realized on TV. Not in real life.
@@Hookset2490 once again, we aren’t talking about sniper shots. He’s shooting under 300 yards. Which since WW2 has accounted for the bulk of every conflict.
@@obummer14-4 Thanx for the advice, I need to step up from readers, I can see my front sight post with em, but the target is blurry, vice-versa without em(my damn personal conundrum), so maybe bifocals would help. Will have to look into them.
A good friend of mine wanted a new barrel on his home defense rifle and showed me an HBar one he found. I told him to go with a Faxon 14.5" pencil with a pinned and welded flash hider. He said exactly your talking points at the beginning. So a few days later I took him out to my property, and we set up some targets at 100 yards. I had a rifle with the pencil barrel I recommended installed. I put a 3-9x scope on the rifle, put it in my lead sled to remove as much human error as possible, sighted it, let it cool, and fired some 3 round groups. 1.25-1.5" with one right at 1". I then mag dumped a mag, reloaded with good ammo, and shot 1.5"-2"- it opened up but not even 2x. I made him do the same thing and he got similar results (actually better- he's a good shot). Sold him. I installed the barrel for him, and he has a light, quick rifle that will actually do what he needed. I pretty much run pencil barrels on all my carbines now- wife and daughter love theirs as well since the whole rifle is lighter and easier for them to hold and carry. Good stuff!
Good shooting, Reid! Love that CAR (at least that's what I call all the old Colt carbines like that). As a PFC at Ft. Carson, my company was running the battalion rifle qualification popup range. Since I'd been "volunteered" to help out on it, I was in the final string to go through the qualification - popup targets from 25m to 300m. Now, I'm not one to toot my own horn, but if I don't, nobody else will - I shot it clean with zero misses using my issued M16A1. Since there was still ammo left, the CO didn't want to have to turn any in so he ordered everyone off the line except me and my spotter. He then had me shoot until I missed - the entire range, which made the 300m targets cross range a little further out. I went to 124 rounds before I missed one. That barrel was pretty warm, not to mention probably pretty worn out, too - being as it was 1985 and the A1's were already being phased out. There was a bunch of talk about sending me to sniper school, but there was no sniper school back then.
I love the M16A1. It was funny because when I went through OSUT, we had FN M16A2s, which I didn’t even know was a thing. I fully expected to see Colt logos on the lowers, but instead it was FN. Anyway, got to my first unit and we had M16A1s still with A2 furniture on them. Lightweight, great little rifles with no trigger issues like the A2 and the constantly-engaged burst clutch garbage. When we turned in out A1s for A2s in fall/winter of 1995, I was upset. When I got back from Korea and was in my 3rd Scout Platoon in fall of 1997 at Lewis, I saw my CO step out of the Company HQ Bldg one day with this little carbine in his hands. My buddies all said we got M4s in and I didn’t believe them. Sure enough, we turned in the muskets and drew out M4s, and I never touched an A2 again.
@@LRRPFco52 I had both the A1, then the A2. The A1's I had were all Hydramatics. When I got the A2, it was the first Colt I was ever issued - brand new, never fired. The first one I got had a bent barrel from the factory, though. I'd say I lean more toward the A1 as my favorite. Maybe because it was my first.
@@thelastmiddleclass2490 US Army started the Fort Benning Sniper School in 1987. There were some Division-level schools and an AMU Mobile Training program done from the grassroots levels, but no official TRADOC support until '87. USMC stood their Scout Sniper Instructor Course up in the 1970s. 10th SFG had their in-house committee and eventually SF stood up SOTIC at Bragg in the mid-1980s.
A dinner plate at 100 that's all it takes to defend your homestead. I use 8" paper plates as targets, and I put inch markers or a center dot on them when I'm zeroing.
Excellent video. I think there is some kind of myth that people buying their first AR have to buy a 2000 dollar rifle or it's crap. Even people who have been shooting awhile think that the more money they spend on what the operators on you tube have is what they need to have too. A basic M4 or an A2 style rifle is going to suit 99% of the people looking to buy a rifle. Learning Fundamentals to shooting is more important than anything else.
I think most people nowadays want to mount optics so I think they'd be better off getting a BCM upper and using an Aero lower. BCM makes a range of products from $650 up to $800-900ish but they're very good quality and would most likely last the owners entire life. The amount of people who actually "shoot out" a 5.56 barrel is very low. A BCM will do 99% of what any other rifle on the market can do. It's no frills but it works.
Garand Thumb was able to get MOA accuracy from PSA's cheapest upper for like 3 or 4 thousand rounds before the groups started to open up, and he was running the rifle suppressed on a full auto lower, which is more hell on the heart of the rifle than the average Joe is ever going to put his rifle through. While the saying "you get what you pay for" does play a role in the price vs quality of AR rifles, so does the concept of diminishing returns. For example, only a fraction of the AR manufacturers actually make their own receivers, so depending on what you buy, the extra cost is most definitely buying for brand name. Another example is triggers. I just built an AR-10 with a PSA lower parts kit, and the springs for the trigger were genuinely trash. Only spent and extra 15 dollars to pick up JP Enterprise springs. Made a night and day difference. Haven't confirmed the numbers but the instructions for those springs say the weight of the pull should be between 4 and 5 lbs when used with a mil-spec trigger (don't really need any lighter than that anyways), and the difference is night and day. While I like the Geissele trigger that was given to me and is in a different rifle, my said experience has convinced me that it's not going to be worth the extra 200 dollars to buy a Geissele for my AR-10. A mil-spec trigger with decent quality springs will do just fine. At the end of the day, proper application of fundamentals matters most.
Why do you poors always use that argument!?!?! While you can certainly shoot these junk guns like a boss, my 2k dollar AR is definitely a lot smoother. Buy once cry once!
@@JohnnyReb2000 Garandthumb is a paid spokesman for PSA. His video is simply not trustworthy. Even the first time they grouped that upper they were only able to call it a 1moa barrel discounting "fliers" from their groups and those fliers would've made it easily a 1.7moa or maybe even a 2moa barrel which is honestly fine BUT what it shows is that Garandthumb and his crew can't really be trusted to honestly review PSA products. Either way it doesn't take long at all to hit 5k rounds and the barrel was basically spent by that point. You can EASILY build a much better rifle than a PSA by just watching for sales online. They're happening frequently because the gun industry is actually experiencing a bit of a slump just like every industry that requires the use of machine shops. Material prices have gone up pretty drastically in recent years. You can get a barrel that has a better gas port size, higher quality machined bore, etc for just a little bit more money. PSA is notorious for having literally no quality control and there are thousands of videos on youtube of people having problems with PSA guns including their "duty grade" Sabre line. Get a Rosco barrel, CMT handguard, Blem BCM upper and BCM low profile gas block+gas tube and bam, you have a pretty decent upper that will last much longer than the PSA and have better gassing if you plan to suppress. Throw in a microbest bcg and a radian LT or something and you're in business. Throw it on your favorite Aero lower.
I have a 14" CZ-bren 2 MS....my point is not about the rifle, it is the fact it has a very thin barrel. With a can, running drills after 3-4 mags fast paced shooting in a short time frame it still hits 2" plates on my 80 yd range. My property has 80yds to the 2" plates and I can back up to 100 by stepping into the woods and I have a 4" wide 12" tall long plate and I never miss it offhand. I have ran the gun with a red dot and as of now it has a 1-6 vortex because I found it to be SO ACCURATE. It hangs with my heavy SPR 18" barrel......does better with most loads. It is still light with a light, a shorty can and 1-6 power scope.......Yes Sir. The lightweight rifle is a serious tool. Maybe people just need to learn to shoot.
Interesting, I've had a number of them and have never had any issues. I usually worry about how people swear the accuracy is poop but I've never had a huge issue with that either. It's a classic looking gun and I love mine.
I've been running a pencil bbl for years now. People on the interweb always ask "what about heat?" Not sure where that came from; if others weren't always worrying about it, I doubt it would have ever crossed my mind.
I bought my 1st AR back around '85, an original Colt Sporter, delta handguards and a pencil barrel. This is back when a good hunting rifle shot 2moa, that pencil barrel sporter shot to 1moa easy and I kept shooting. A couple friends tried it out and the Colt was getting hot. I ran another mag thru it, same result. Just 1 ragged hole at 100 yards the size of a golf ball. I mounted a 4x12 Prostaff scope on the carrying handle and started varmint hunting with my 52gr handloads. It out shot my Rem 700 in 243 within 200 yards, equaled it at 300. I was ecstatic, couldn't believe it. A while after that I started building AR's and I do prefer the H Bar contours but I never saw a problem with the pencil barrels, heat or drifting and I built a few of those over the years. I even built an AR from cast off parts from my friends that "Just needed this part to shoot better". The only part I bought was a Rainier lower and a small parts kit. An A2 upper, M4 barrel with the mid cut, and "bad" BCG and trigger parts pretty much completed the build for less than 150 bucks. It shot great easily holding 1moa with a Weaver 1x4 tactical scope in the handle spitting green tip M855 Winchester ammo. Had some friends at camp I got the parts from and they shot the hell out of it. Couldn't touch the barrel but still held zero hitting old golf balls at 100 and 200 yards off my bench with a little Kentucky windage. 'Nuff said.
I have a Rem 700 from the late 70's to early 80's that will shoot MOA groups at 100 yards with the right ammo and proper application of fundamentals. Assuming the rifle is well made and in good working condition, even the older ones are capable of exceptional accuracy.
Man!!! 600 yards!! Nothing around me has a range with those distances. Best head to the Ridge to challenge myself. Thanks Reid, love whatever you did to make it back to being in YT circulation.
I would love a long form video from you showing all the rifle standards of the modern minuteman. Everything from shooting positions to courses of fire. I would love to have a video I could turn someone to for an overall video covering the fundamentals.
So refreshing to hear a guy at his level own up to his shots every time. That's a sign of a true practitioner. Actual training keeps most people real. Very motivating 👏
It's time for good men to start meeting in pubs again. Or do like I did and start liberty tree meetings at your town Square. We literally meet at the courthouse gazebo. Openly wearing our militia shirts around town. If every county formed a group of good patriots there'd be over 3,000 county groups that would send a message to every level of law enforcement that they can't just do what they want. Our local sheriff's department and the small town where the county courthouse is stand with us, openly publicly support us and we have their backs when doing the right thing and speak against them when they're wrong which has been a great method of keeping them honest.
First off that was damn good shooting, that is a lot harder than people think with iron sites.....very impressive Reid. Does a hot barrel mess with accuracy? It absolutely does, my 22-250 and 25-06 will open up fairly quickly as both have sporter barrels. Will accuracy open up in an AR enough to tell ringing steel not on a bench? Probably not. IMO that wasn't exactly heating up a rifle, that was an extremely slow rate of fire with very few rounds being shot with a LONG break walking down and back to the targets. Just one mans opinion, great video and even better shooting. Both my 14.5 inch and 20" AR's are pencil barrels.
My wasr begs to differ...first 10 rounds she groups...everything after that starts opening up...tried hitting 8in steel at 300 yards w red dot...maybe 1 out of 10 rounds impact...took another ak w irons same distance same target and kept it swinging for a whole mag
AR-15s can be combat accurate (4 MOA) in almost any condition with most ammos. That would be 12" groups at 300ish yards. If you want smaller groups, become a better shooter, get a precision free-float barrel, and use heavy match ammo to shrink that to sub-moa. My go-to rifles shoot sub MOA with bthp 77's. I also have a bolt rifle that strings 6" vertical then opens up cto 12 moa due to heating issues and a whip barrel.
Proper application of marksman skills and a little patience to overcome the short attention spans. A little more dry fire practice of the positions would go a long way. And granted I was using a 14.5 heavy barrel, free floated with a big scope, but used to be able to knock down 3x5” steel at 500M from the bench with nothing more than old surplus Israeli M193. On paper st 100, 1.5 inch five shot groups were the best on good days. So most rifles are a little more accurate than most users. This video is a great testament to
I have a 14.5" pinned and welded pencil ( actually a lightweight hansen profile ) free floated in one of my carbines... I scoped it for grins n giggles...at 100yds it went from 1" groups to 1.5 inch groups after i got it hot ..i shot it off a rest on the bench to try to eliminate human error as much as possible...imo a 1/2" is nothing on a "fighting gun" Modern manufacture barrels are stress relieved very well ...if the rifle isn't free floated stringing may occur but not enough to affect combat accuracy...imo for combat accuracy purposes whatever difference there is between cold and hot barrels is negligible...at 57 my eyesight is the main factor for me shooting at distance not the rifle/barrel combo
Reid I love your videos and love what you’re doing. I would really enjoy coming and training at valor ridge sometime if the military ever lets me have some leave lol. I think you’re either a little bit wrong on this one, or perhaps I’m just missing the point. There are some other guys on RUclips named 9-hole reviews who will talk about groups opening up when barrels get hot, and they are absolutely skilled enough shooters to trust on that front. They’ve got some testing in one of their older videos as well. If your point is that pencil barrels are still accurate *enough* once warm, I 100% agree. I haven’t experienced any significant issues shooting even very small targets with my M16a1 even a few mags in. Thank you for the video! God bless.
They also compared the government profile agaisnt the socom profile. And the government profile showed less variance and held tighter groups after heating both barrels up.
CHF 10.5 Gov profile this is lightweight under the hand guards I make hits all the time with no issues even out to 500 on a silhouette popper 12x18. that is a stretch with very little to no barrel shifting vs cold bore. Besides I’m not shooting for 1/4 MOA I’m going for the thoracic cavity.. great video 👍👍👍
Colt makes pretty solid chrome lined barrels. I used a Colt 6720 upper on a lower I put together myself and it did well at CSAT carbine and 3 day Urban Defense course I took. I was making consistet hits out to 300 yards and decent hits at 400 yards.
Your findings match my own experience (not that I'm an expert, just an enthusiast). At the indoor range 100 meters ( it's a cop range that is open to the public on weekends) I get the same poi after the 1st or 50th shot. Yes, the barrel is hot after shot 15 or so but it doesn't seem to impact accuracy. I am now trying more to shoot free standing without support. Turns out to be rather challenging to get all required techniques executed properly . Do you have any tips on how to become a better shooter free standing or without support like a bipod? Thanks for sharing your A2 content. Digging it 🤙👍
You mean it’s ME 😂😂 Great video Reid thank you for taking the time for us again. We appreciate it and we appreciate you and all you do for the shooting community 🇺🇸
When I took the Patrol Carbine course for my department, I was issued a Colt LE6420 pencil barreled carbine. By the end of the course we were shooting a 8” steel plate at 200 yards with irons. I was sad when I hard to turn that rifle in, very accurate and the best weight when pulling a perimeter position.
It's great to sometimes add realism with subdued color/partial obscured silhouette targets. It teaches your eye and mind to search for legit targets. This reinforces shooter responsibility. Sidenote: Firing the 5.56 through light concealment like blackberries bushes is highly terminal to the rounds stability and accuracy. I have placed a man size target behind 10' of light bush. Everyone knew exactly where it was. We would fire 30-50 rounds directly at it. Sometimes it would never be hit and sometimes just once and often keyhole impacts. If your threat is behind bushes, triple your shots minimum.
I am a fan and long time subscriber. It was interesting to note you said you make a big time adjustment to sighting in a rifle. It reinforces just what James Yeager told us. I love it when the best instructors in the gun agree upon the same method of arms. To borrow a phrase from another RUclips site,... "you rock".
At 300 Yards Some Will Still Say It’s Not Accurate Even Though Every Round Hit The Target. Rather It's Cold, Warm, Or Hot; People Will Always Find An Excuse As To Why It's Not Accurate.
Excellent video with very good information. I also am a fan of the pencil barrel carbine and recently put together one with a lightweight delton pencil barrel 1/9 twist rate and it shoots very well with both 55 and 62 grain ammo
My one Brother inlaw never took the blame for poor shooting it was always the gun fault. you can't teach someone like that to shoot. I Like the video it reminds me to always check my sights. I am a believer in not wasting ammo.
This video (and ones like it) are so refreshing. No gucci "operator" builds. This is very convicting and encouraging at the same time. Time to go train with my boring iron sight rifle :)
Having shot the M-16 at 200, 300, and 500 yards on a hot ass South Carolina day, I can say that 500 yards prone and hitting a man size target is a piece of cake, hot barrel or not. Have shot qualification rounds with a smoking barrel and still got a high score.
How dare Reid address the real issue's. I can hear the Anger, the Wailing and Gnashing of Teeth from the 'Pro's ' and I'm way down here in Central Alabama. 😂
I've got a fixed carry handle with a 16' barrel. Sling and light. The guys with 20# of shit hanging off their rifle are in for a tough time walking further than their truck to the range.
I'm glad that the this alleged phenominon was addressed in the video. I prefer light rifles and I aviod hanging too much crap on them. Only a weapon light for me.
I have a CZ 600 Trail with a medium weight barrel. For what this gun seems designed for a pencil weight barrel would be a much more obvious choice. I can only guess that the factory wanted the barrel to not deflect as much with a suppressor hung out on the muzzle. Shame the factory no longer supports the barrel change feature. I would love to have a pencil weight 7.62x39 barrel and a 6.5 Grendel barrel for it.
Accuracy changing as the barrel heats up is highly dependent on barrel length, and barrel quality. Pencil barreled hunting rifles, with cheap and improperly stress relieved barrels, especially 24" or longer will show a change in accuracy as the barrel heats up, because the barrel itself will move will move with heat; think warping, but not as dramatic. It takes .016" of movement at the muzzle to move dispersion beyond 1MOA. If a rifle is capable of a high level of precision though, that will not change, regardless of barrel heat, even if accuracy is affected. It's not been my experience that the precision, or accuracy of a pencil barreled AR changes, or if it does, it's not enough to notice. The fact that they're typically already short to begin with really helps.
Barrel manufacturers make a difference also. yeah generally it getting warm ain't a issue also people overlook what ammo the gun likes . A lot of people I know just by 20 different brands of ammo and have different rounds mixed in magazines and that's going to affect your performance especially if you're going from green tip to 55 grain to 77 grain otm. Or like some people I've seen they'll have steelcase mixed in😂
You always produce good meaningful content, keep up the good work Reid, that old Colt Of yours is sharp, gotta love them old rifles, and that property that you own is beautiful👍👍 I am looking forward for your next video
Good astute content. Just curious considering the old military phrase “ounces equals pounds and pounds equals pain” why the evolution of the carbine trended toward a heavier barrel?
interesting story behind that. during development of the A2, barrels were showing deflection when tested with a barrel gauge (rod). They beefed up the barrel from the gas port forward and this became the "govt profile". Later they discovered the deflection was actually coming from interference because a burr develops at the gas port and it was deflecting the rod. but by this time the govt barrel spec was written in stone.
Just getting a🔫 doesn't mean you're a great shooter, especially when you don't pay attention to the twist and the ammo. Along with how you breathe has a lot to do with how you shoot. I've done a similar test after a 20rd burst and then slow down to really taking the time to aim more with no real issues. Great stuff! Reid 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
My basic at Ft. Knox had M16A1s. Never had an issue qualifying. People I think try to make something into something it isn't or over hype a problem. Like expecting fillet mignon for hamburger prices.
People forget that each rifle is an INDIVIDUAL, that 2 identicly set up guns, consecutive numbers off the assembly line, one will favor ammo that the other will not group well! Doesn't matter the type of rifle, either.... AR, AK, bolt gun - it's really dramatic in rimfire rifles, two identical 10-22s, one will put Mini-Mags into one ragged hole while the other looks like a shotgun pattern .....
It's a 22, how thick does the barrel need to be. After shooting skill, ammo quality is actually a huge reason for spread in grouping. Ask any hand loader.
Fellow Jarhead here, and couldn't agree more with you. I qualified on the A2 in Boot, and it worked just fine even at 500 rapid fire, which I still qualified expert on, so yes, it's not the weapon most of the time, it's the shooter.. True patriots better start training.... Sic Semper Tyrannis
so this is just my two cents. i shot ten for ten in prone unsupported (which means all in the black) at a two x four target at the five hundred yard line on parris island (four times it's a long story so i wont bother you with the stupid details just now). back in 87 (and until i got out in 91) all we used were iron sights. i don't know how many rounds had been pushed through those barrels before they got changed (on the island especially) but i'm thinking it was a BUNCH. i went on to do the same thing four more times after i left the tropical paradise. so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's mostly about the individual. as long as you got "decent" gear you should do well enough to end your enemy. the mindset has more to do with marksmanship than most folks think especially when you got rounds coming back atcha. thanks again my man.
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I’ve not noticed difference based on temp with thin barrels at 350 meters or beyond. I think it’s mostly mental this idea. Guys shoot hit then lose focus and hurt accuracy. It’s common to lose interest after meeting your expectations then repeating the process. Everytime you shoot you should shoot till you fail. Meaning you meet expectations then make it harder until you can’t meet it. This keeps your focus heightened at every target and comfortable knowing you plan to push till failure taking ego out of the equation also which hurts shooters progress.
Pencil barrels are definitely way more capable than the internet forums would make you believe. It's 98% shooter capability. Love the lightweight, simple setup.
He's a great shot open sights
Yes agreed, i have no reason to change out my government profile barrels as they perform just fine for this civilian.
The gun industry has created a monster to get non shooters to buy the lasting and greatest…
It's because they used to be worse. Many years ago when barrel metallurgy was a little less advanced, the heat-buildup problem was more of a thing with pencil barrels.
I believe Reid is the only Man who could fill Paul Harrell's boots, I only wish Reid had the time.
Exactly what I was thinking. If there's any difference in accuracy between a cold and hot barrel, it's not going to be enough difference to make a difference, as Paul Harrell would say, in hunting and tactical applications.
@@JohnnyReb2000 i agree, but as always: You be the Judge!
Paul is great, but Reid is his own standard of a man. He is second to none, with his history lessons. And excellent with marksmanship as well.
“This 1 MOA group just fits my hand better”
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Folks say “what about heat?” I tell them it has the greatest shootout scene in movie history
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A Garrison 1911 .45 IWB, a pencil-barreled Colt with 20 round aluminum magazine, and no optic? Glorious! 😊
I can hear the high end tactical cool dude crying right now lmao.
Tacticool, love it.
He could be laughing too, because he outbought all us poors.
“High end” are objectively capability-increasing that can not be replaced, regardless of whether you have the best fundamentals in the world. A premium optic will be more precise than irons 100 times out of 100, all things being equal.
@AlphaMindset-zq5qv Accuracy is never resigned to “accuracy tests”; it’s the prerequisite to *ALL* uses of a firearm. Never ever has a responsible, competent, nor effective shooter said “I wish my firearm was less accurate.”
…NTM the fact they’ve never said “I wish I shot slower and was less target focused” both of which a Red dot is objectively superior at ameliorating.
@AlphaMindset-zq5qv edit: for the record I presumed I was responding to OP.
Combat accuracy with an AR-15 and benchrest accuracy with a bolt action is definitely two different worlds.
that's all that matters when it comes down to it my man. whatever tool you got.
Minute of man takes the man out of the fight 99% of the time.
Thank you !! 👍 Totally different goals !!
I'm basically a pistol caliber levergun guy in my 70s. I do have one simple 16" AR15 consisting of a PSA Freedom upper and a standard Anderson lower. Carry handle sights. A $425 carbine.
In the woods where I live, all my neighbors are shooters, and we all have our own ranges, and we gather for informal shooting at times. Everyone has high dollar scoped AR's with tons of stuff on them. Yet I consistently outshoot them all with my plain Jane carbine with iron sights. I've seen a few start fiddling with their scopes, pulling parts off, and doing stuff with their phones with shooting programs. I just smile and watch them and their "technology" and keep on shooting my "cheap" simple carbine. Or I'll use one of my open sight leverguns and do the same thing.
I tell them its not the bow or arrow, it's the Indian.
I'm not bragging, but rather I'm pointing out the fact that all the bells and whistles in the world will not make up for poor shooting skills.
Great story 👍 I also am a big fan of PSA rifles and have owned many and they have performed very well considering their price point. I have had rifles costing two and three times more than the PSA guns and did not shoot any better.
You can buy and put on your weapon and probably never shot combat. But who knows.
From the perspective of someone who manufacturers your barrels (your welcome, btw❤️) I can tell you this: Reid mentioned your rifle (your barrel) not liking a particular load. This is the most critical element other than your skill. The harmonics need to be consistent and well... harmonious! It's a mathematic equation that involves: twist rate, length of barrel, weight of bullet and propellant consistency and bullet consistency. There is an ideal load for each barrel (or almost ideal.)
Buy three or four loads of different weights/mfgrs and group them. Find which is tightest. Use that one. It helps a lot too to purchase 1,000 or more of that ammo from the same lot.
A little reading before testing helps. If you had say a 20" 1/12 twist barrel, you'd never get any better accuracy than with a 55gr bullet. The twist won't stabilize heavy bullets. Just as a general rule.
Anyways, shoot a lot, barrels need to be sold.
I figure the heat would affect the “sound” of the softening metal and thus harmonics.
@@sfertonoc I've never considered the bullet softening the metal for the microsecond that it passes (chrome, 416R, 4140 or whatever.)
Interesting.
There is friction, pressure and the gas expansion heat. But I'd venture to guess that there is no melting or deformation due to heat (only friction wear) since whatever thermal transfer occurs from the bullet would instantly share the heat with the whole of the barrel... Not enough heat for not enough time.
@@sfertonoc when I say harmonics, I'm referring to barrel whip. And to a lesser degree, the rifling being in agreement or harmony with the bullet design.
People tend to forget most mamals have a 10-12 inch kill zone. It's not nessasary to shoot sub MOA groups to put dinner on the table or eliminate a threat.
While I agree, people generally don’t like being shot and like to shoot from behind stuff. Making your kill zone shrink to what they are exposing
@joshuafreeman4459 Of the numerous self-defense shootings caught on camera, I can't remember any done from cover.
@@Hookset2490 we aren’t talking about self defense at 150, 200 and 300 yards dude 😂 Talking about war, open conflict, civil unrest, etc.
@@joshuafreeman4459 Even in war, most sniper kills are shooting from cover at targets in open areas from distance. 800 - 1000 yards +. The Carlos Hathcock 300 yard through the rifle scope kills are realized on TV. Not in real life.
@@Hookset2490 once again, we aren’t talking about sniper shots. He’s shooting under 300 yards. Which since WW2 has accounted for the bulk of every conflict.
His eye balls are better than mine..
Mine as well, good news is a actual man sized target is easier to see so it's definitely a makeable shot.
Right? I'm struggling at 50yds with irons these days, very frustrating to the point where I'm going to take my stubborn ass to the optometrist.
@chizorama If you need bifocals, you can put the close range. Portion of the lens at the top for shooting instead the bottom, which is traditional.
@@obummer14-4 Thanx for the advice, I need to step up from readers, I can see my front sight post with em, but the target is blurry, vice-versa without em(my damn personal conundrum), so maybe bifocals would help. Will have to look into them.
At 64 I need to step up from readers as well. It’s a wonder I shoot as well as I do but definitely room for improvement.
A good friend of mine wanted a new barrel on his home defense rifle and showed me an HBar one he found. I told him to go with a Faxon 14.5" pencil with a pinned and welded flash hider. He said exactly your talking points at the beginning. So a few days later I took him out to my property, and we set up some targets at 100 yards. I had a rifle with the pencil barrel I recommended installed. I put a 3-9x scope on the rifle, put it in my lead sled to remove as much human error as possible, sighted it, let it cool, and fired some 3 round groups. 1.25-1.5" with one right at 1". I then mag dumped a mag, reloaded with good ammo, and shot 1.5"-2"- it opened up but not even 2x. I made him do the same thing and he got similar results (actually better- he's a good shot). Sold him. I installed the barrel for him, and he has a light, quick rifle that will actually do what he needed. I pretty much run pencil barrels on all my carbines now- wife and daughter love theirs as well since the whole rifle is lighter and easier for them to hold and carry. Good stuff!
@@thefrogking481 Worked out great. Keep up that great keyboard commando work, boss. You're rocking it.
Good shooting, Reid! Love that CAR (at least that's what I call all the old Colt carbines like that).
As a PFC at Ft. Carson, my company was running the battalion rifle qualification popup range. Since I'd been "volunteered" to help out on it, I was in the final string to go through the qualification - popup targets from 25m to 300m. Now, I'm not one to toot my own horn, but if I don't, nobody else will - I shot it clean with zero misses using my issued M16A1. Since there was still ammo left, the CO didn't want to have to turn any in so he ordered everyone off the line except me and my spotter. He then had me shoot until I missed - the entire range, which made the 300m targets cross range a little further out. I went to 124 rounds before I missed one. That barrel was pretty warm, not to mention probably pretty worn out, too - being as it was 1985 and the A1's were already being phased out. There was a bunch of talk about sending me to sniper school, but there was no sniper school back then.
I love the M16A1. It was funny because when I went through OSUT, we had FN M16A2s, which I didn’t even know was a thing. I fully expected to see Colt logos on the lowers, but instead it was FN. Anyway, got to my first unit and we had M16A1s still with A2 furniture on them. Lightweight, great little rifles with no trigger issues like the A2 and the constantly-engaged burst clutch garbage. When we turned in out A1s for A2s in fall/winter of 1995, I was upset. When I got back from Korea and was in my 3rd Scout Platoon in fall of 1997 at Lewis, I saw my CO step out of the Company HQ Bldg one day with this little carbine in his hands. My buddies all said we got M4s in and I didn’t believe them. Sure enough, we turned in the muskets and drew out M4s, and I never touched an A2 again.
@@LRRPFco52 I had both the A1, then the A2. The A1's I had were all Hydramatics. When I got the A2, it was the first Colt I was ever issued - brand new, never fired. The first one I got had a bent barrel from the factory, though. I'd say I lean more toward the A1 as my favorite. Maybe because it was my first.
There was no sniper school in 1985?
@@thelastmiddleclass2490 US Army started the Fort Benning Sniper School in 1987. There were some Division-level schools and an AMU Mobile Training program done from the grassroots levels, but no official TRADOC support until '87.
USMC stood their Scout Sniper Instructor Course up in the 1970s. 10th SFG had their in-house committee and eventually SF stood up SOTIC at Bragg in the mid-1980s.
@@thelastmiddleclass2490 They didn’t start it back up until sometime in the late 80’s about the time I was getting out.
A dinner plate at 100 that's all it takes to defend your homestead.
I use 8" paper plates as targets, and I put inch markers or a center dot on them when I'm zeroing.
Excellent video. I think there is some kind of myth that people buying their first AR have to buy a 2000 dollar rifle or it's crap. Even people who have been shooting awhile think that the more money they spend on what the operators on you tube have is what they need to have too. A basic M4 or an A2 style rifle is going to suit 99% of the people looking to buy a rifle. Learning Fundamentals to shooting is more important than anything else.
I think most people nowadays want to mount optics so I think they'd be better off getting a BCM upper and using an Aero lower. BCM makes a range of products from $650 up to $800-900ish but they're very good quality and would most likely last the owners entire life. The amount of people who actually "shoot out" a 5.56 barrel is very low.
A BCM will do 99% of what any other rifle on the market can do. It's no frills but it works.
Garand Thumb was able to get MOA accuracy from PSA's cheapest upper for like 3 or 4 thousand rounds before the groups started to open up, and he was running the rifle suppressed on a full auto lower, which is more hell on the heart of the rifle than the average Joe is ever going to put his rifle through.
While the saying "you get what you pay for" does play a role in the price vs quality of AR rifles, so does the concept of diminishing returns. For example, only a fraction of the AR manufacturers actually make their own receivers, so depending on what you buy, the extra cost is most definitely buying for brand name. Another example is triggers. I just built an AR-10 with a PSA lower parts kit, and the springs for the trigger were genuinely trash. Only spent and extra 15 dollars to pick up JP Enterprise springs. Made a night and day difference. Haven't confirmed the numbers but the instructions for those springs say the weight of the pull should be between 4 and 5 lbs when used with a mil-spec trigger (don't really need any lighter than that anyways), and the difference is night and day. While I like the Geissele trigger that was given to me and is in a different rifle, my said experience has convinced me that it's not going to be worth the extra 200 dollars to buy a Geissele for my AR-10. A mil-spec trigger with decent quality springs will do just fine.
At the end of the day, proper application of fundamentals matters most.
Why do you poors always use that argument!?!?! While you can certainly shoot these junk guns like a boss, my 2k dollar AR is definitely a lot smoother. Buy once cry once!
@@JohnnyReb2000 Garandthumb is a paid spokesman for PSA. His video is simply not trustworthy. Even the first time they grouped that upper they were only able to call it a 1moa barrel discounting "fliers" from their groups and those fliers would've made it easily a 1.7moa or maybe even a 2moa barrel which is honestly fine BUT what it shows is that Garandthumb and his crew can't really be trusted to honestly review PSA products. Either way it doesn't take long at all to hit 5k rounds and the barrel was basically spent by that point. You can EASILY build a much better rifle than a PSA by just watching for sales online. They're happening frequently because the gun industry is actually experiencing a bit of a slump just like every industry that requires the use of machine shops. Material prices have gone up pretty drastically in recent years.
You can get a barrel that has a better gas port size, higher quality machined bore, etc for just a little bit more money. PSA is notorious for having literally no quality control and there are thousands of videos on youtube of people having problems with PSA guns including their "duty grade" Sabre line.
Get a Rosco barrel, CMT handguard, Blem BCM upper and BCM low profile gas block+gas tube and bam, you have a pretty decent upper that will last much longer than the PSA and have better gassing if you plan to suppress. Throw in a microbest bcg and a radian LT or something and you're in business. Throw it on your favorite Aero lower.
@@armorers_wrenchii😅
I try telling guys this kind of stuff all the time, Bottom line people don’t shoot enough, I own a range myself , this is a regular conversation.
Private or commercial range?
Private or commercial range?
So the whole “it’s not the size of the wave, but the motion of the ocean” adage applies here as well? 😂 another great video Reid, thanks!
I have a 14" CZ-bren 2 MS....my point is not about the rifle, it is the fact it has a very thin barrel. With a can, running drills after 3-4 mags fast paced shooting in a short time frame it still hits 2" plates on my 80 yd range. My property has 80yds to the 2" plates and I can back up to 100 by stepping into the woods and I have a 4" wide 12" tall long plate and I never miss it offhand. I have ran the gun with a red dot and as of now it has a 1-6 vortex because I found it to be SO ACCURATE. It hangs with my heavy SPR 18" barrel......does better with most loads. It is still light with a light, a shorty can and 1-6 power scope.......Yes Sir. The lightweight rifle is a serious tool. Maybe people just need to learn to shoot.
If you can find any my 14" loves the 77gr OTM Israeli Razor Core ammo.
Mini 14 Bros are excited
I've had a handful of mini 14s over the years and the accuracy wasn't the problem it was the reliability.
Interesting, I've had a number of them and have never had any issues. I usually worry about how people swear the accuracy is poop but I've never had a huge issue with that either. It's a classic looking gun and I love mine.
@@Goblin_Tank Same.
Accuracy is a relative term. With a good front rest I’ve gone 10/10 on a 10” gong at 200 yards. Mini-14 with Iron sights. That’s all I want it to do.
@@Goblin_TankI had a 581 that had but multiple issues, but Ruger fixed them all & paid for the shipping.
Seems like a lot of folks maybe can’t admit their equipment is more accurate than the equipment operator!! 😂
Happiness is a warm barrel and bullet-riddled targets.
I've been running a pencil bbl for years now. People on the interweb always ask "what about heat?" Not sure where that came from; if others weren't always worrying about it, I doubt it would have ever crossed my mind.
I bought my 1st AR back around '85, an original Colt Sporter, delta handguards and a pencil barrel. This is back when a good hunting rifle shot 2moa, that pencil barrel sporter shot to 1moa easy and I kept shooting. A couple friends tried it out and the Colt was getting hot. I ran another mag thru it, same result. Just 1 ragged hole at 100 yards the size of a golf ball. I mounted a 4x12 Prostaff scope on the carrying handle and started varmint hunting with my 52gr handloads. It out shot my Rem 700 in 243 within 200 yards, equaled it at 300. I was ecstatic, couldn't believe it. A while after that I started building AR's and I do prefer the H Bar contours but I never saw a problem with the pencil barrels, heat or drifting and I built a few of those over the years. I even built an AR from cast off parts from my friends that "Just needed this part to shoot better". The only part I bought was a Rainier lower and a small parts kit. An A2 upper, M4 barrel with the mid cut, and "bad" BCG and trigger parts pretty much completed the build for less than 150 bucks. It shot great easily holding 1moa with a Weaver 1x4 tactical scope in the handle spitting green tip M855 Winchester ammo. Had some friends at camp I got the parts from and they shot the hell out of it. Couldn't touch the barrel but still held zero hitting old golf balls at 100 and 200 yards off my bench with a little Kentucky windage. 'Nuff said.
I have a Rem 700 from the late 70's to early 80's that will shoot MOA groups at 100 yards with the right ammo and proper application of fundamentals. Assuming the rifle is well made and in good working condition, even the older ones are capable of exceptional accuracy.
Man!!! 600 yards!! Nothing around me has a range with those distances. Best head to the Ridge to challenge myself. Thanks Reid, love whatever you did to make it back to being in YT circulation.
I would love a long form video from you showing all the rifle standards of the modern minuteman. Everything from shooting positions to courses of fire. I would love to have a video I could turn someone to for an overall video covering the fundamentals.
I've heard sights from the factory are misaligned and cause you to shoot low & left. 🤭
no dude that's only on pistols lol....
So refreshing to hear a guy at his level own up to his shots every time. That's a sign of a true practitioner. Actual training keeps most people real. Very motivating 👏
It's time for good men to start meeting in pubs again. Or do like I did and start liberty tree meetings at your town Square. We literally meet at the courthouse gazebo. Openly wearing our militia shirts around town. If every county formed a group of good patriots there'd be over 3,000 county groups that would send a message to every level of law enforcement that they can't just do what they want. Our local sheriff's department and the small town where the county courthouse is stand with us, openly publicly support us and we have their backs when doing the right thing and speak against them when they're wrong which has been a great method of keeping them honest.
I agree. The lone wolf isn't going to cut it. All that means is they get picked off by the packs individually. Hang together and all that stuff.....
Wish my county did that. About where are you...or what state
First off that was damn good shooting, that is a lot harder than people think with iron sites.....very impressive Reid. Does a hot barrel mess with accuracy? It absolutely does, my 22-250 and 25-06 will open up fairly quickly as both have sporter barrels. Will accuracy open up in an AR enough to tell ringing steel not on a bench? Probably not. IMO that wasn't exactly heating up a rifle, that was an extremely slow rate of fire with very few rounds being shot with a LONG break walking down and back to the targets. Just one mans opinion, great video and even better shooting. Both my 14.5 inch and 20" AR's are pencil barrels.
My wasr begs to differ...first 10 rounds she groups...everything after that starts opening up...tried hitting 8in steel at 300 yards w red dot...maybe 1 out of 10 rounds impact...took another ak w irons same distance same target and kept it swinging for a whole mag
Well said and so true Reid. Really nice job and proving that a warm barrel will be accurate buddy. Nice one buddy. Mark from Tennessee 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I have a Faxon 14.5 barrel on one of my builds. The light weight makes it super easy to maneuver. Oh, and it is very accurate.
Have a 14.5p&w BCM enhanced lightweight that vibes like a 12.5. Love it.
AR-15s can be combat accurate (4 MOA) in almost any condition with most ammos. That would be 12" groups at 300ish yards.
If you want smaller groups, become a better shooter, get a precision free-float barrel, and use heavy match ammo to shrink that to sub-moa.
My go-to rifles shoot sub MOA with bthp 77's.
I also have a bolt rifle that strings 6" vertical then opens up cto 12 moa due to heating issues and a whip barrel.
🎯 99.999% of the time the 'accuracy problem' is the loose nut BEHIND the rifle. Excellent commentary and demo.
Proper application of marksman skills and a little patience to overcome the short attention spans. A little more dry fire practice of the positions would go a long way. And granted I was using a 14.5 heavy barrel, free floated with a big scope, but used to be able to knock down 3x5” steel at 500M from the bench with nothing more than old surplus Israeli M193. On paper st 100, 1.5 inch five shot groups were the best on good days. So most rifles are a little more accurate than most users. This video is a great testament to
I have a 14.5" pinned and welded pencil ( actually a lightweight hansen profile ) free floated in one of my carbines...
I scoped it for grins n giggles...at 100yds it went from 1" groups to 1.5 inch groups after i got it hot ..i shot it off a rest on the bench to try to eliminate human error as much as possible...imo a 1/2" is nothing on a "fighting gun"
Modern manufacture barrels are stress relieved very well ...if the rifle isn't free floated stringing may occur but not enough to affect combat accuracy...imo for combat accuracy purposes whatever difference there is between cold and hot barrels is negligible...at 57 my eyesight is the main factor for me shooting at distance not the rifle/barrel combo
That group at 100 with irons is damn impressive
At 60 years old using Magpul MBUS sights it is not easy seeing 100 yards so I not sure how i would do at 200 +with iron sights. Excellent shooting.
100 and 200 should be very similar with the mbus sights. Depending on the size of the target, you can hold a little tiny bit high and be on target
It's fundamentals and knowing your weapons sighting system, plain and simple. Reid knows.
I think the warm barrel loss of accuracy scenario has more to do with precision long range shooting. Otherwise it's a non issue.
And pencil barreled 762x39 aks
Reid I love your videos and love what you’re doing. I would really enjoy coming and training at valor ridge sometime if the military ever lets me have some leave lol. I think you’re either a little bit wrong on this one, or perhaps I’m just missing the point. There are some other guys on RUclips named 9-hole reviews who will talk about groups opening up when barrels get hot, and they are absolutely skilled enough shooters to trust on that front. They’ve got some testing in one of their older videos as well. If your point is that pencil barrels are still accurate *enough* once warm, I 100% agree. I haven’t experienced any significant issues shooting even very small targets with my M16a1 even a few mags in. Thank you for the video! God bless.
My setup is the Colt 6720 with carry handle and prism optic on top. Basic pencil barrel, non-frefloated. I like those light handy carbines.
9 hole reviews did a similar video. It had some effect. But nothing measurable.
They also compared the government profile agaisnt the socom profile. And the government profile showed less variance and held tighter groups after heating both barrels up.
CHF 10.5 Gov profile this is lightweight under the hand guards I make hits all the time with no issues even out to 500 on a silhouette popper 12x18.
that is a stretch with very little to no barrel shifting vs cold bore. Besides I’m not shooting for 1/4 MOA I’m going for the thoracic cavity..
great video 👍👍👍
The heavy barrels really just make offhand shooting more steady. I’ve shot tons of rounds through the M16A1 without seeing fliers
Colt makes pretty solid chrome lined barrels. I used a Colt 6720 upper on a lower I put together myself and it did well at CSAT carbine and 3 day Urban Defense course I took. I was making consistet hits out to 300 yards and decent hits at 400 yards.
This Man is LEGIT
Your findings match my own experience (not that I'm an expert, just an enthusiast). At the indoor range 100 meters ( it's a cop range that is open to the public on weekends) I get the same poi after the 1st or 50th shot. Yes, the barrel is hot after shot 15 or so but it doesn't seem to impact accuracy. I am now trying more to shoot free standing without support. Turns out to be rather challenging to get all required techniques executed properly . Do you have any tips on how to become a better shooter free standing or without support like a bipod? Thanks for sharing your A2 content. Digging it 🤙👍
Take one rifleman class at Reid's place and you'll be amazed at what you both don't know, and what you can accomplish. Highly recommended.
You mean it’s ME 😂😂
Great video Reid thank you for taking the time for us again.
We appreciate it and we appreciate you and all you do for the shooting community 🇺🇸
When I took the Patrol Carbine course for my department, I was issued a Colt LE6420 pencil barreled carbine. By the end of the course we were shooting a 8” steel plate at 200 yards with irons. I was sad when I hard to turn that rifle in, very accurate and the best weight when pulling a perimeter position.
Wow I didn’t know you could hit that far with iron sights that’s awesome I gotta start working with my irons more another great video thx Reid
At 5:16 It looked like you were 5ft from the target I was like bruh but realized the screens are split haha
Thank you, Reid!
Exactly 💯 . Practice , the right load equals decent accuracy .
It's great to sometimes add realism with subdued color/partial obscured silhouette targets.
It teaches your eye and mind to search for legit targets. This reinforces shooter responsibility.
Sidenote:
Firing the 5.56 through light concealment like blackberries bushes is highly terminal to the rounds stability and accuracy. I have placed a man size target behind 10' of light bush. Everyone knew exactly where it was. We would fire 30-50 rounds directly at it. Sometimes it would never be hit and sometimes just once and often keyhole impacts. If your threat is behind bushes, triple your shots minimum.
I am a fan and long time subscriber. It was interesting to note you said you make a big time adjustment to sighting in a rifle. It reinforces just what James Yeager told us. I love it when the best instructors in the gun agree upon the same method of arms. To borrow a phrase from another RUclips site,... "you rock".
Agreed
At 300 Yards Some Will Still Say It’s Not Accurate Even Though Every Round Hit The Target.
Rather It's Cold, Warm, Or Hot; People Will Always Find An Excuse As To Why It's Not Accurate.
Accurate enough. If those folks were down range they wouldn’t be able to say much cause they’d have a sucking chest wound
Excellent video with very good information. I also am a fan of the pencil barrel carbine and recently put together one with a lightweight delton pencil barrel 1/9 twist rate and it shoots very well with both 55 and 62 grain ammo
My one Brother inlaw never took the blame for poor shooting it was always the gun fault. you can't teach someone like that to shoot. I Like the video it reminds me to always check my sights. I am a believer in not wasting ammo.
Good stuff! It's not the barrel's fault. It is simply between the ears.
Thank you for continuing to serve long after your ETS date! Some heroes wear capes...real heroes wear rifle slings.
Just shot 300 rounds of wolf 223 out of a 14.5 BCM @ 100 quickly and held less than 3 moa. 1x6 optic.
"That little guy? I wouldn't worry about that little guy." 😂😂😂
This video (and ones like it) are so refreshing. No gucci "operator" builds. This is very convicting and encouraging at the same time. Time to go train with my boring iron sight rifle :)
Wow i've missed these videos, really enjoy them.
Having shot the M-16 at 200, 300, and 500 yards on a hot ass South Carolina day, I can say that 500 yards prone and hitting a man size target is a piece of cake, hot barrel or not. Have shot qualification rounds with a smoking barrel and still got a high score.
Appreciate you always being willing to demonstrate what you teach
How dare Reid address the real issue's. I can hear the Anger, the Wailing and Gnashing of Teeth from the 'Pro's ' and I'm way down here in Central Alabama. 😂
I've got a fixed carry handle with a 16' barrel. Sling and light. The guys with 20# of shit hanging off their rifle are in for a tough time walking further than their truck to the range.
I'm glad that the this alleged phenominon was addressed in the video. I prefer light rifles and I aviod hanging too much crap on them. Only a weapon light for me.
I have a CZ 600 Trail with a medium weight barrel. For what this gun seems designed for a pencil weight barrel would be a much more obvious choice. I can only guess that the factory wanted the barrel to not deflect as much with a suppressor hung out on the muzzle. Shame the factory no longer supports the barrel change feature. I would love to have a pencil weight 7.62x39 barrel and a 6.5 Grendel barrel for it.
❤ Its the shooter behind the gun These barrels where design for military use and that means a bunch of ammo daily thru them wont hurt a thing
Something about a simple AR like that just looks good
Accuracy changing as the barrel heats up is highly dependent on barrel length, and barrel quality. Pencil barreled hunting rifles, with cheap and improperly stress relieved barrels, especially 24" or longer will show a change in accuracy as the barrel heats up, because the barrel itself will move will move with heat; think warping, but not as dramatic. It takes .016" of movement at the muzzle to move dispersion beyond 1MOA. If a rifle is capable of a high level of precision though, that will not change, regardless of barrel heat, even if accuracy is affected.
It's not been my experience that the precision, or accuracy of a pencil barreled AR changes, or if it does, it's not enough to notice. The fact that they're typically already short to begin with really helps.
took me a good 30 seconds to realize you weren't shooting at something 5 feet away from you
Me too!
Excellent job 👍👏
Barrel manufacturers make a difference also. yeah generally it getting warm ain't a issue also people overlook what ammo the gun likes . A lot of people I know just by 20 different brands of ammo and have different rounds mixed in magazines and that's going to affect your performance especially if you're going from green tip to 55 grain to 77 grain otm. Or like some people I've seen they'll have steelcase mixed in😂
You always produce good meaningful content, keep up the good work Reid, that old Colt Of yours is sharp, gotta love them old rifles, and that property that you own is beautiful👍👍 I am looking forward for your next video
Good astute content. Just curious considering the old military phrase “ounces equals pounds and pounds equals pain” why the evolution of the carbine trended toward a heavier barrel?
interesting story behind that. during development of the A2, barrels were showing deflection when tested with a barrel gauge (rod). They beefed up the barrel from the gas port forward and this became the "govt profile". Later they discovered the deflection was actually coming from interference because a burr develops at the gas port and it was deflecting the rod. but by this time the govt barrel spec was written in stone.
@@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 Well. You just made a retired State Trooper a bit wiser. Thx!
Just getting a🔫 doesn't mean you're a great shooter, especially when you don't pay attention to the twist and the ammo. Along with how you breathe has a lot to do with how you shoot. I've done a similar test after a 20rd burst and then slow down to really taking the time to aim more with no real issues. Great stuff! Reid 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
M16A1 had 100% first shot hits to 300 meters with 250 meter zero at 4 MOA on F-Type Silhouette.
Some barrels take a little heat just to activate!❤❤❤
My basic at Ft. Knox had M16A1s. Never had an issue qualifying. People I think try to make something into something it isn't or over hype a problem. Like expecting fillet mignon for hamburger prices.
People forget that each rifle is an INDIVIDUAL, that 2 identicly set up guns, consecutive numbers off the assembly line, one will favor ammo that the other will not group well! Doesn't matter the type of rifle, either.... AR, AK, bolt gun - it's really dramatic in rimfire rifles, two identical 10-22s, one will put Mini-Mags into one ragged hole while the other looks like a shotgun pattern .....
Glad to hear this news as i have a pencil barrel on my DD
It's a 22, how thick does the barrel need to be. After shooting skill, ammo quality is actually a huge reason for spread in grouping. Ask any hand loader.
It's a chrome lined colt.... Of course the accuracy is still acceptable nomatter how hot it gets....
Light mount/light on the rifle? Also thoughts on a suppressor on a pencil/light weight barrel.
Fellow Jarhead here, and couldn't agree more with you. I qualified on the A2 in Boot, and it worked just fine even at 500 rapid fire, which I still qualified expert on, so yes, it's not the weapon most of the time, it's the shooter.. True patriots better start training.... Sic Semper Tyrannis
so this is just my two cents. i shot ten for ten in prone unsupported (which means all in the black) at a two x four target at the five hundred yard line on parris island (four times it's a long story so i wont bother you with the stupid details just now). back in 87 (and until i got out in 91) all we used were iron sights. i don't know how many rounds had been pushed through those barrels before they got changed (on the island especially) but i'm thinking it was a BUNCH. i went on to do the same thing four more times after i left the tropical paradise. so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's mostly about the individual. as long as you got "decent" gear you should do well enough to end your enemy. the mindset has more to do with marksmanship than most folks think especially when you got rounds coming back atcha. thanks again my man.
Good to see you brother.
I can't even see past 100 yards lol
USMC range wisdom......."It's not the dope on the weapon, it's the dope behind the weapon".
A video that needed to be made. Thanks Reid!
Yup
That was some mean shooting Reid.
Some rifles will print high as the barrel begins heating up?
Those 'forums' are a waste of time. NOTHING can take the place of trigger time and education.
Thank you, Reid.