Brilliant discussion. As a retired Marine and washed up powerlifter, Over the years I've trashed my shoulders and knees. My doctor recommends joint replacement - of course. God willing I will never go under the knife again. Having said that I have been researching alternatives to surgery such as PRP and stem cell therapy. They seem promising but are to expensive. I then stumbled on red light therapy by accident and its purported therapeutic benefits on joints. Perhaps based on marketing I just spent a bank on a wearable light from Kineon and almost blew my load on a high power device by Chroma. Both companies make compelling arguments on why their product is best ,i.e., portability Vs power. After watching your videos I'm more confused than ever on what is optimal in terms of wave length and intensity for joint rehab. Semper Fi, Ken
Thanks Andrew. I'm going to start laying on my Joovv. I'm sure there's emf doing it this way but it's not like I'm going to lay there for hours. It will probably be worth the tradeoff by getting better therapy to the skin and not having to stand around in front of the panel.
Extremely valuable information. I'm trying to start a company right now. I have unique discoveries around Light Therapy. Your videos I just found and they're the best.
hi!:) so lets say you have a red light panel with a lot of irradiance like 200mW/cm2 at 0 inch. how would you decrease the irradiance to use it for direct contact method? can the so often in built dimmer (brightness adjustment) help with that and how would be the calculation? 50% brightness = 50% irradiance? greets.
Interesting info. All of the panels for sale would be fairly ineffective for deeper mitochondria activation etc. with no contact it would seem. They would act as more of a sunlight therapy that would help the skin mostly.
Tbh from my experience skin contact panels are garbage, I bought a $400 panel from revive light therapy, to only have minimal results, it wasn’t until I bought a non contact wall panel , I actually noticed noticeable results, I purchased a 460w panel
@@smarzig415, 605, 630, 660, 880. The company is legit too, they have been out for a while now. Simply put, contact panels just don’t have enough power output. It’s almost more of a gimmick than anything
@@nh7680 everything that you’re supposed to get from red light therapy from a larger panel. Don’t waste your time and money on a skin contact panel, there’s simply not enough power output in those
The inconvenience, EMF, contamination, heat among other things makes me want to not press my skin against a panel For deep tissue I use a torch on areas that feel like they need therapy
I'm going to lie on my Joovv to try it. I don't see how that's more inconvenient than having to stand in front of the panel. As for heat, that's the therapy working. The only real downside I can see is emf, but it should be minimal, due to higher efficiency allowing shorter sessions.
@@nh7680 I have nothing against that idea. But a smaller, less powerful panel just means smaller, less powerful treatment. I don't know where the tradeoff lies, but I do know that we're subjected to emf in our households much more than we think or worry about, on a regular basis. Getting some good PBM for a few minutes isn't likely to be a huge percentage increase in the total.
This week I tested a class IV laser with the OHSP-350 meter and measured 7,2 W/cm2 So only a few seconds give you a high (over)doses. What are your thoughts about this?
I would first double-check it on a proper Laser Power Meter. I'm not sure if the OHSP-350 are really meant for measuring such high powers. Then typically high powered lasers use pulsing to reduce the average intensity and heating. But yes, theoretically it could deliver doses on the scale of seconds.
Perhaps one issue with a laser is that it is an extremely narrow wavelength range. From what I have learned, a broader range of light is not only better but compound effectiveness. I think i heard that from Alexis and/or Dr Kruse if you want to try to find more info on this
And yet nearly every single product you sell is a contactless panel? You have one product that you sell which is considered contact…3 if you consider the two T-shirts 🤣
What are you talking about? Improve, Rex, Groove, Beacon, Spazer, and Vector all have skin contact (or 0 inches) mentioned in their typical usage on his website.
You really help me improve as a therapist who uses photobiomodulation. Thank you very much
What setting do you work in? I'm a PTA and work in a SNF unfortunately we don't have laser.
Thank you for bringing us this information, I will be going through all the links
Very useful information! Thank you so much for sharing ❤
Brilliant discussion. As a retired Marine and washed up powerlifter, Over the years I've trashed my shoulders and knees. My doctor recommends joint replacement - of course. God willing I will never go under the knife again. Having said that I have been researching alternatives to surgery such as PRP and stem cell therapy. They seem promising but are to expensive. I then stumbled on red light therapy by accident and its purported therapeutic benefits on joints. Perhaps based on marketing I just spent a bank on a wearable light from Kineon and almost blew my load on a high power device by Chroma. Both companies make compelling arguments on why their product is best ,i.e., portability Vs power. After watching your videos I'm more confused than ever on what is optimal in terms of wave length and intensity for joint rehab.
Semper Fi, Ken
Thanks Andrew. I'm going to start laying on my Joovv. I'm sure there's emf doing it this way but it's not like I'm going to lay there for hours. It will probably be worth the tradeoff by getting better therapy to the skin and not having to stand around in front of the panel.
Good stuff bro 😎 thanks
Extremely valuable information. I'm trying to start a company right now. I have unique discoveries around Light Therapy. Your videos I just found and they're the best.
hi!:) so lets say you have a red light panel with a lot of irradiance like 200mW/cm2 at 0 inch. how would you decrease the irradiance to use it for direct contact method?
can the so often in built dimmer (brightness adjustment) help with that and how would be the calculation? 50% brightness = 50% irradiance?
greets.
Thanks for summarizing this info ---so helpful as always!!
Really good stuff
very helpful
Interesting info. All of the panels for sale would be fairly ineffective for deeper mitochondria activation etc. with no contact it would seem. They would act as more of a sunlight therapy that would help the skin mostly.
Is there any info on how deeply sunlight can penetrate?
Andrew when you review the torches we could customize /test with the rounded lenses also from Ali. 🤔
Tbh from my experience skin contact panels are garbage, I bought a $400 panel from revive light therapy, to only have minimal results, it wasn’t until I bought a non contact wall panel , I actually noticed noticeable results, I purchased a 460w panel
Wavelengths?
@@smarzig415, 605, 630, 660, 880. The company is legit too, they have been out for a while now. Simply put, contact panels just don’t have enough power output. It’s almost more of a gimmick than anything
Sounds like it could be beneficial to have a large panel for systemic benefits and a small low EMF panel to press against the skin for problem areas
What results have you gotten?
@@nh7680 everything that you’re supposed to get from red light therapy from a larger panel. Don’t waste your time and money on a skin contact panel, there’s simply not enough power output in those
Just wondering what the device at 9:43 is? If it’s a commercial device, are there any equivalent home devices?
but the EMF is so high with all these red light panels, could the EMF cause damage?
What would you consider the best budget desktop red light therapy model is on Aliexpress today?
if you're using it for hair and skin, would you actually want non-contact or no pressure contact then?
Wouldn't skin contact with a powerful panel have an inhibitory effect?
yes because of heat
The inconvenience, EMF, contamination, heat among other things makes me want to not press my skin against a panel
For deep tissue I use a torch on areas that feel like they need therapy
What torch are you using
@@smarzig I use the shenzhen idea light tl09-a5 torch from alibaba
I'm going to lie on my Joovv to try it. I don't see how that's more inconvenient than having to stand in front of the panel. As for heat, that's the therapy working. The only real downside I can see is emf, but it should be minimal, due to higher efficiency allowing shorter sessions.
Sounds like a good idea to get one of those small battery powered panels. No EMF and less heating.
@@nh7680 I have nothing against that idea. But a smaller, less powerful panel just means smaller, less powerful treatment. I don't know where the tradeoff lies, but I do know that we're subjected to emf in our households much more than we think or worry about, on a regular basis. Getting some good PBM for a few minutes isn't likely to be a huge percentage increase in the total.
This week I tested a class IV laser with the OHSP-350 meter and measured 7,2 W/cm2
So only a few seconds give you a high (over)doses.
What are your thoughts about this?
Link and nm range?
I would first double-check it on a proper Laser Power Meter. I'm not sure if the OHSP-350 are really meant for measuring such high powers. Then typically high powered lasers use pulsing to reduce the average intensity and heating. But yes, theoretically it could deliver doses on the scale of seconds.
I believe most of the studies use lower level and increase time?
what NM was the laser
Perhaps one issue with a laser is that it is an extremely narrow wavelength range. From what I have learned, a broader range of light is not only better but compound effectiveness. I think i heard that from Alexis and/or Dr Kruse if you want to try to find more info on this
And yet nearly every single product you sell is a contactless panel? You have one product that you sell which is considered contact…3 if you consider the two T-shirts 🤣
What are you talking about? Improve, Rex, Groove, Beacon, Spazer, and Vector all have skin contact (or 0 inches) mentioned in their typical usage on his website.