Responding to Steven Furtick’s Problematic Post | Ep 512
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2021
- Today we're discussing the incorrect theology behind a recent Facebook post made by Pastor Steven Furtick. He asserted that Jesus doesn't change a person, but rather reveals who they always were. Although we try to give Steven the benefit of the doubt here, there are professing Christians out there who preach a Gospel that is more focused on self-love rather than God. Fortunately, there is plenty of biblical evidence to debunk this idea.
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Responding to Steven Furtick’s Problematic Post | Ep 512
This is why I love listening to Pastor Allistair Begg. Every sermon is from the Scriptures alone and about the Scriptures and then points to Christ as well as is revelant to ourselves. He is highly skilled at this.
Pastor Collin Smith and Allistair Begg are two of my favorites!!!
Yesss love him. I don’t mind listening to the popular pastors but I loooove listening to pastors like Allistair Begg
Thanks Allí Ifeel the same.it’s a process for all of us to mature in Christ
The Scriptures left out all sorts of books the church considered problematic.
I like his accent. I admit that makes him more interesting.
“We are not the point. Christ is the point. It is His story, His glory, His gospel that is the Cornerstone. Not us.” Wow, Allie, you were really on fire this time (in a good way) :) God speaks great truths through people who are sanctified in the Truth of His word
"God speaks great truths through people who are sanctified in the Truth of His word" - That's wonderful. Thank you.
And yet, the purpose of Scripture is to highlight our redemption, so in one sense, we are the point (at least when it comes to Scripture). Timothy understood that -- "all Scripture is profitable (not to Jesus, but to us) for doctrine (what we should believe), reproof (what we are doing wrong), correction (how we can get it right), and instruction in righteousness (how we can avoid getting it wrong in the first place) -- II Tim 3:16. All Scripture is PROFITABLE FOR US. The entire message of the Bible is FOR US. So, God is far more interested in us than you give Him credit for. "Christ is the point" completely ignores why He came to us -- "I am come that YOU might have life, and have it more abundantly". So, Jesus was far more interested in us than you give Him credit for. The Holy Spirit is our Comforter -- not Jesus' comforter, OUR comforter. There is an entire member of the godhead dedicated to US. So, the Holy Spirit is far more interested in us than you give Him credit for. We are ABSOLUTELY the point. We are special in ALL of creation -- when He created us He said it was "VERY good."
I always loved this song, but the words are so true --
But His favorite song of all
Is the song of the redeemed
When lost sinners now made clean
Lift their voices loud and strong
When those purchased by His blood
Lift to Him a song of love
There's nothin' more He'd rather hear
Nor so pleasin' to His ear
As His favorite song of all.
Thanks for talking about this Allie 👏
I’m a huge fan of your channel as well as Allie’s, so it’s so cool to see you support her!
Right on Melissa!
I like your channel too!
Thank you both for your great work! 🙏🏼
Yes, I'm glad Allie talked about this, but given the seeming "new age" implications of his statement (whether he intended this or not); I was wondering what your response was to this matter?
I was in my 50's before I learned the difference between expository teaching and iesogenic teaching. Never to late🙂. So thankful for expository teachers! It is very important to rightly divide the scriptures.
Amen, Ms Tiffany! I attended multiple churches throughout my life sense childhood. I did not get a full understanding until I read the chapters and books of the bible for myself. Most ministries only focus on topical type of preaching styles which is very "self centered" and not Christ centered. Self centered sermons only appeals to our flesh and doesn't give a clear presentation of the context of the Bible which can only be understood through Holy Spirit.
To the best of my knowledge (I'm a Bible teacher), there is no such word in the English language as"iesogenic". Isogenic has to do with DNA and gene commonalities. So I am curious as to what you mean by 'iesogenic' teaching. Are you comparing expository teaching to topical?
@@scottsipe4927 eisegesis - I’m sure is what she means-
A way of interpreting text to introduce your own presuppositions or biases.
As opposed to exegesis. Seems you were being sarcastic? I’m not a Bible teacher but fully got what the commenter was trying to say.
I don't understand the arguing here. Belonging to Jesus is never a contest.
If you misunderstand someone, maybe you can write privately rather than say that is not a word. :*(
@@amylynnhunt55 In public proclamations, clarifications should also be public. Throttling down discussion is not necessarily helpful. Understanding is facilitated through clarification and elucidation. Jude 1:3 exhorts "contend for the faith.". "Belonging to Jesus," not infrequently, may invoke opposition, misunderstanding, and struggle. Recall the scenarios of the four gospels and Acts, and what Jesus followers were up against.
Furtick: "Following Jesus doesn't change you into something else, it reveals who you have been all along."
God: Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
II Corinthians 5:17
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
John 3:3
What Furtick says is completely contradictory to what Almighty God says. God help him and all the people he's lead astray.
Right on Griffin
@TampaDoll well said TampaDoll! We take for granted the ease of access to the complete Scriptures, while those in Afghanistan, Indonesia, communist China, Iran and Iraq are being slaughtered for it. The early church never had what we had and they were much more faithful. They had fragments of a gospel and the Old Testament. When I say fragments, I'm talking like John 1 and nothing else. Thank God for His Word and the time in creation He chose to put us in!
@Griffin Mundell you are exactly right. I think many of these new age pastors are saying things from a place to stimulate a rise in people, to get an emotional response. The problem is, the things they teach are not always based in what God’s word actually says.
@TampaDoll amen. God bless you. Are you in Tampa? Currently in st pete finding fake church after fake church like furtick... all sold out freemason types leading churches using/under a small percentage of the whole counsel of God.
I agree that following Jesus reveals who we have been, but following Him does indeed change us as we walk with him. We become new creatures at the New Birth, but it takes years and discipleship and obedience to truly become like Him as much as that is possible while in the flesh. His statement has a bit of truth mixed in with his error.
I appreciate that you are not “slamming” furtick or others. I’m not a furtick fan however we as Christians need to be careful to not tear down. That is wisdom on your part.
I agree. We are called to expose the false teachers by name as the apostles did in scripture but some have made a living off of this on YT. Unfortunately, they can be unwise and lack love in their tones. I get we are to have a righteous anger against those that lead people away from Truth but we still must use to wisdom.
Furtick is poison to Biblical truth.....motivational speakers talking to clueless audiences.
It's right to tear down heresy
We are to contend for the Gospel. Not ignore heresy
False teachers need to be called out that true believers aren't lead astray
I really appreciate you bringing clarification to this topic. I was baptized Christian last Oct so just a baby to it. Like you mentioned, eager to learn and grow in my faith. I wouldn’t know the difference unless someone pointed it out. I have been following Furtick for a few months now. It’s good to be more aware. God bless.
I disagree with Allie, I love Bible believing Teachers which she calls false teachers. She considers herself a Calvinist and they usually attack Ministers that are Baptized in the Holy Spirit and pray in tongues. The Book of Acts explains how we can all pray in the Spirit or tongues. When I listen to her speak, she emanates irritability, and lacks peace. Too contentious. I feel like she is following a dangerous path. I prefer to follow Christians that have Joy, and the fruits of the Spirit, Just like Jesus!!!
You can check some great Spirit led teachers I can share with you on RUclips: I highly recommend
to check out :"Healing Journeys Today", they always give me peace and they are awesome!!!
@@sandrapatton8102 did you not actually watch the video or maybe you just missed what she said? she never said Bible believing teachers are false teachers. She talked about how some teachers will make it seem like the listener is the one that's the hero of the story (in which case it's false teaching). I think you did not hear what she said.
Also, Jesus called out the Pharisees and flipped tables. Allie is 100% being Jesus by graciously and calmly calling others to preach the true Gospel. She seems like a beautiful and wise person from everything I've watched of her.
As a young Reformed person, I believe there is a generation of conservatives growing up who have seen the absurdity and abuses of the prosperity gospel, and who want a rigorous faith that engages our brains and our hearts.
Try Orthodox
@@alexbrutlag6022 orthodox to me sounds like traditional. Man made extra biblical traditions.
Well false teachings are going both ways,, calvinism is false,, read the bible and be a christian , i only refer to Christ ,not to a form.of religion.. be in relation with Jesus by prayer and reading . And prosperity gospel is false yes it is
@@inquisite472 So, Calvinism is not Christian?
It takes away the free choice of man. Calvinists are Christians but it is a harsh teaching and does not reflect the character of a just and loving God.
I used to watch Steven Furtick weekly. I took notes and sent them to my husband while he was in prison. I grew up in church, and I have to say, pre-COVID, he had SOME inspired messages. I do see a huge difference now. I am thankful I ran across his content because it did help both my husband and I go deeper into the scripture. I now listen to Steven Armstong, Voddie Baucham, John MacArthur, and Mark Driscoll. I have a much deeper understanding of the Word and thank God for the steps He took to get me to that knowledge and a more honed level of discernment. Thanks for what you do!
I love Mark Driscoll! ❤ I used to listen to Furtick, but 🎉with the Holy Spirit, I outgrew him too! But, he is a great net. 🤗
I find Voddie Baucham to be similar to Steven Furtick , neither are the real thing imo
I love Voddie, Mark Driscoll and enjoy Dr. David Jeremiah's preaching.
I live in Charlotte, a few miles from their main campus. Even attended for a few years, but was starved for Biblical leadership and community. Praise God we didn’t give up and found a wonderful church, Pastor and community. Thank you for the reminder of discernment and wisdom that comes with spiritual maturity- we know many people who attend. I pray whenever we pass the building that Christ and the Gospel will truly be revealed to the congregation.
My family attends Elevation currently and I find myself feeling similarly , do you mind sharing what church you found?
@@jenniferstephens650 hi! We attend Calvary Church at Hwy 51 and Rea Rd. Pastor Munro has been such a blessing to us. The Adult Life Groups are lead by the other pastors and meet for an hour after the Sunday service. There are also elective classes and women’s and men’s Bible studies during the week.
@@jenniferstephens650 furtick is a freemason. His "charisma" is demonic energy. You can't preach self love over God. Guaranteed he's into filthy sin.
@@ZachLifeTravelWord its just too bad his sinful speech and life wasn't revealed sooner to avoid such a horrible influence.
@@ebullock1000 hi Emily! Have you ever been to freedom house? I’ve liked them so far but I’m new to going to church so wanted to see if you have thoughts on them.
The best way to learn about Jesus is to read your Bible front to back over and over with prayer the Holy Spirit will lead you into all things. The Bible is the final authority why waste your time on man's philosophies
Most people can't just read and read and read, that's what a teacher is for, one who has been "taught" himself at some point. Watching correct videos that preach Truth is another valuable way to learn, just taking on the Scriptures yourself without any explanation is a difficult task.
in fact, as i read into your statement, you wouldn't listen to any man teach or preach apparently. In case you haven't noticed, look how difficult it is to decipher a text message from anyone on your phone or in this comment section of RUclips. No emotion whatsoever sometimes. The Bible is the same way, you have to look underneath the actual text also. Like timelines, or how many 7's and multiples of seven are included, how often did Jesus preach about certain subjects, or how many "illegal" things the San Hedrin (Pharisees, Saduccees) did (6 trials) before they had him sentenced to death by Pilate. Some things the Bible doesn't explain so a teacher that has studied can explain more meaning to you than you "think" you already know. Anyone can quote scripture if they read it out loud, but not many can explain truthfully what it means( I thank God for these people). Many are on the path to destruction while only the few will find the path of eternal life with God.
@@MTBR2001 "the best way"
Good day sir
@@keepitrealoriginal acts 26:40
@@dfischer5878 ?????
Keep this up. This pure, biblical explanation is so, so important. Girl, I’m with you- and praying for you,
& everyone else listening. ❤️
I started isolating during my divorce and I found it calming. I had been betrayed so deeply by so many people at the same time that I only found safety with myself and my cat. The avoidance of connecting with others helped me feel a little less vulnerable to the world that was hurting me from so many angles.
I love you... It's so great to see you discuss the truth fully in every aspect even in the sense of not condemning inspite of what you observe
I deeply appreciate how you approached this with gentleness and thoughtfulness. Thank you for sharing! :)
I used to listen to Steven Furtick. However the more I grew in my knowledge of scripture and in my personal relationship with God, I began realizing errors in Steve's very gifted teaching skills and charming personality. Thank you for your very kind breakdown of this situation. Prayerfully, others will begin to see, and hear, the TRUTH of God's word and begin to unfollow any teachings that are not biblically sound, and could potentially lead them astray. Your words were very kind and direct, and you used scripture to explain proper doctrine. Thank you for your ministry. It's especially needed in times like this. May God continue to bless you and your ministry! 🙌🏽❤🙌🏽
I listen to his videos once every blue moon but I tend to stick to scripture because we can apply every word in the scripture to our own lives but know that the grace and the glory is God and the Lord's alone.
That is good Discernment..
Scripture aways interpret Scripture..always..
Very well said! If my "authentic self" got everything it deserved, I'd be doomed. Thank God for His atoning sacrifice and regeneration!
Matt 12.7
Amen girl! I’ve been growing in discernment & wisdom when it comes to the Word and false teachings, so thank you for discussing this person and statement... it will and is blessing so many that we may not be led astray. Thank you sister Eph 5:11
I almost got sucked into new age, but my sweet husband steered me as a spiritual leader, into biblical scripture, the church we goto now takes a book from the Bible and goes though the chapters one Sunday at a time. I LOVE this we are new life BIBLE fellowship in caldwell Idaho. Great community, people and scripture sound.
Love your podcast Allie. Praising God for your charitable and yet bold & unwavering proclamation of the apostolic Gospel! I have grown so much from listening to your podcast dear! So thankful to the Lord for leading me to this really encouraging show! 🙏🏾💕
I’m sure many of us have gone through this and hopefully come out of it and learn to study the word as we are meant too. ♥️
1st time listening, you are smart, kind and blessed, as too many Christian Utubers don't show your patience or wisdom..May you continue to grow in your faith...
I appreciate your disclosure on literally every single perspective that could possibly be in the audience.
This is GOLD.. thank you for speaking on this and for breaking it down so nicely!
Allie! You’re fantastic! A great teacher as well. This is so refreshing. This has been incredibly informative. God Bless you sister bear🙏🏿🙏🏿
This has been the best sermon I've heard in a long time! Thank you
God blessed me with this comfort Allie Beth. I thank Him and Praise Him for what he shared through you!! Thank you for your obedience and boldness sister 🤍🤍🤍🕊🕊🕊
Very helpful: 32:00 and on for 3 minutes. What it means to be a "new Creation"...not about feelings, but about trusting Christ for your salvation. Thank you.
Allie's explanation is very gracious and thorough. Many couldn't have explained sound Bible interpretation better. I actually heard this show on her podcast and came here to praise Allie's explanation.
It’s so refreshing to hear such sound doctrine as it relates to current events. Allie keeps me abreast of what’s happening in this crazy world but discerns it all with the Word of God.
Thanks so much for conveying this to a broad audience. It's so important to not be swayed by smooth talk but rather adhere to the gospel of Jesus Christ and to those who preach it diligently.
I really appreciate this video, I’ve had some red flags about Furtick in the past, but I like how you’re not just laying out what happens and why this is concerning for us, you give us pointers to go off of no matter what pastor we listen to and how we can be more discerning in the people we elect to guide us and educate us about our faith.
We need to look for Peace and Comfort! in knowing that there are living Prophets and Apostles on Earth today! Amos 3:7 teaches us that we need Prophets! Ephesians 2: 19-20 tells us the Gospel of Jesus Christ is built upon the foundation of Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ himself is the Cornerstone! in the troubled world we need to listen to God! Keep his Commandments! Are you Listening to them! Follow them! And how be it My church save it be Called in my name? for if a church be called in Moses' name then it be Moses' church! If it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man!! 3 Nephi27:8 Are you listening? Pray about it! ask God! is it Moses' Church? or the Church of Jesus Christ? Does it have Prophets and Apostles? Why? Do the research, and know whose church is it! Are you following the 12 apostles and the Prophet? Why not? Why do you persist? The Gospel of Jesus Christ " the Church of Jesus Christ" known by his name is on The earth until he comes again! Continues revelation by his prophets and 12 apostles! RESTORED TO THE EARTH! www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng Proceed, Choose the Right! Are you setting the right example for all your Family by following 3 Nephi 27:8, Amos 3:7, and Ephesians 2: 19-20? it is who's church or the church of Jesus Christ?
A few years ago I would listen to Furtick’s sermons every week then I got this feeling that he made his sermons very much about himself and entertaining for the “fans.” I was like umm… I’m not trying to follow Furtick so it felt wise to stop. Thanks!
Isn’t he in a mega-church? That AUTOMATICALLY is a big no no for me. Those are the type of churches Jesus would visit to turn tables around. They’ve turned those church into stadiums and not a Holy place 🥴
Nobody cares what you think about him. You tell me is it very Christian like to back stab and talk negatively about a preacher on social media?
@@honeyandlavender_It's a CHURCH where God is worshipped. You shouldn't judge or be self righteous.
Omg I was loving Steven Furtick so I'm so glad you brought this up. And these voice-mail were amazing. Do more of this topic pl.
This is so good Allie!!!! Your break down of expository preaching is spot on!!!!!!
This knowledge is so vitally needed in our churches today!
This is a big deal. I'm glad you took time to talk about this and bring awareness to it. Thank you.
The Shack was a terrible book.
I remember reading it..."feeling" sooo empathetic to the main character, right? Feelings can certainly lead us (me) astray. Without a solid foundation one can easily be mislead! As I have matured as a Christian, I have looked back and seen a dangerous mix of Christianity and New Age garbage. Doreen Virtue is a born again former New Age leader. She has had many good guests discuss the dangers of this type of thing-yoga, books, pastors that are clearly not Biblical.
It was interesting because when that book 1st came out I had a
Many fellow Christians telling me what a splendid book it was and I just looked at them with the most confusing thoughts going through my mind and questioning it very serious questioning it.
I think the book set me on a very confusing course of life.
Absolutely LOVE this explanation and clarification. Thank you for sharing this
Powerful!! Thank you for your biblically sound correction and boldness! So needed in these last days
A young person like Allie Beth, with so much wisdom, knowledge, courage and integrity, gives me hope for the future of the world.
I agree 💯!!
Joel Osteen is not only a prosperity preacher but more importantly he does not believe the Bible is interrent. How can you preach the gospel without the faith of its integrity?
I wondered how he felt about the Bible, do you mind telling me how you found out/realized that he doesn’t believe in the inerrancy of Scripture?
@@veronicaspencelocke2003 it was from an interview that I saw many years ago. I will have to go look for it and get back to you because I honestly can't remember who the interview was with but I will do that today. I hope that will help?
@@skeletalremains3860 i remember it from an interview on CNN with Larry King. in the interview he won't give authority to the bible on matters of sin. meaning despite what the bible says on the punishment for sin he refuses to condemn any sin. the bible clearly states that sin is punishable by death without the redeeming faith and grace given via Jesus, his death and resurrection. his words if you view his many sermons frequently only refer to "being good" as a way to heaven and prosperity however we know that we can nothing to get ourselves to heaven. it was by Jesus alone that we may be saved and our sins forgiven. furthermore, God actually never promised prosperity - he says if we follow Him (Jesus) we likely will be persecuted for that faith in Christ Jesus
@@PhoenixRenewed thank you for sharing
@@veronicaspencelocke2003 I found multiple examples of Joel denying Christ, which obviously means he does not believe the Bible. You can search use the words "Joel Osteen on biblical authority" . Two of the most telling are an interview with Larry Kind and one with Oprah Winfrey.
What a wonderful message Allie! Thank you!
Thank you so much for this episode. I found myself listening and re-listening to your message, to build my own understanding of sound doctrinal teaching ... to know what to listen for in messages from various pulpits. I've never heard the explanation of these differing types of preaching spoken so clearly and simply. Thank you for taking the time to deliver this message. I'm sure it will impact my own discernment well into the future.
By the way, I've done it too, but go ahead and send out those thank you cards and notes ... even if they're years late. What a fun unexpected surprise for your friend or relative (who took the time out of their busy life to think of you and send you that gift). Go find those cards today ... and drop them into the mail.
We need to look for Peace and Comfort knowing that we have living Apostles and Prophets! Amos 3:7 teaches us that we need Prophets! Ephesians 2: 19-20 tells us the Gospel of Jesus Christ is built upon the foundation of Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ himself is the Cornerstone! in the troubled world we need to listen to God! Keep his Commandments! Are you Listening to them! Follow them! And how be it My church save it be Called in my name? for if a church be called in Moses' name then it be Moses' church! If it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man!! 3 Nephi27:8 Are you listening? Pray about it! ask God! is it Moses' Church? or the Church of Jesus Christ? Does it have Prophets and Apostles? Why? Do the research, and know whose church is it! Are you following the 12 apostles and the Prophet? Why not? Why do you persist? The Gospel of Jesus Christ " the Church of Jesus Christ" known by his name is on The earth until he comes again! Continues revelation by his prophets and 12 apostles! RESTORED TO THE EARTH! www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng 3 Nephi 27:8, Amos 3:7, and Ephesians 2: 19-20? it is who's church is it Named after? Why? Take time to study these verses and chapter, Share what you have learned!
I believe Steven loves the Lord. I haven't listened to him for years. God used him in a very dark season in my life. I Would say I'm very discerning and a diligent student of the Bible. I think it's a miracle God uses us messy broken people for his will and purposes. Elevation Worship did a tour over the summer and Steven gives a clear gospel everywhere he goes. So he is on our team. We should pray for him.
Very well said, I appreciate how you explained that you go into the Bible to understand something you may see as a contradiction, as Chuck Missler said, it’s an opportunity to learn from the Bible as you figure things out. People like Osteen and Furtick DO seem to be just motivational speakers…And absolutely, WE are not the point!!
Fellow Chuck Missler fan 🙋♀️!
You can't even put Furtick and Osteen in the same category. Pastor Steven speaks completely from the bible. Does he use examples to make things relatable, yes. But if you get past that Elevation is a wonderful church that brings many to the Lord or back to the Lord.
Love Chuck Missler! Check out the late Chuck Smith from Calvary Chaple and Dr. Andy Woods from Sugarland Bible Church if you ever get a chance.
@@ChristineSolazzo I would disagree that they are that different
Yes, we need to get the Point, Amos 3:7 teaches us that we need Prophets! Ephesians 2: 19-20 tells us the Gospel of Jesus Christ is built upon the foundation of Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ himself is the Cornerstone! in the troubled world we need to listen to God! Keep his Commandments! Are you Listening to them! Follow them! And how be it My church save it be Called in my name? for if a church be called in Moses' name then it be Moses' church! If it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man!! 3 Nephi27:8 Are you listening? Pray about it! ask God! is it Moses' Church? or the Church of Jesus Christ? Does it have Prophets and Apostles? Why? Do the research, and know whose church is it! Are you following the 12 apostles and the Prophet? Why not? Why do you persist? The Gospel of Jesus Christ " the Church of Jesus Christ" known by his name is on The earth until he comes again! Continues revelation by his prophets and 12 apostles! RESTORED TO THE EARTH! www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng Proceed, Choose the Right! Are you setting the right example for all your Family by following 3 Nephi 27:8, Amos 3:7, and Ephesians 2: 19-20? it is who's church or the church of Jesus Christ?
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations." -Jeremiah 1:5
This is such an excellent explanation. You clarify everything so well
I had put Furtick on the shelf for a while bc I heard gossip & neg attitudes that made me question, but I'm leery of judging the Lords anointed. So I asked God to show me his thoughts. One morning it had been on my mind & then shortly after that I opened a message by a preacher who I greatly respect & he happened to do a beautiful & strong exhortment of Furtick and it was totally unexpected. 💙 that was a wonderful commending of Furtick to me by the Lord.
I think we should be thankful that people are working for Christ, preaching Christ as saviour & Christian character & morality. People's personalities come into play & may reach different people & not jive with others but he's preaching the Bible & Christ and on our TEAM. Even if ppl were preaching with the wrong motives (not saying Furtick is), Jesus said to leave them alone, at least they're pushing His kingdom forward one way or the other :) Let's be wise & not let the devil divide us! Eat the hay & leave the sticks but don't go trying to tear down the farmer bc their field isn't perfect :)
compare what Furtick teaches with the Bible not a sermon from some other teacher. Adam and Eve were in a perfect setting and still followed the lie of satan. The big lie that the Bible talks about in the scriptures that if it were possible even the very elect would believe is the same lie in the garden that once we eat from the tree we would know the difference between good and evil. The tree of knowledge introduced us to evil. What was the first thing Adam and Eve do when they ate they saw themselves naked and tried to cover it. When did GOD tell them this was evil or bad He didnt. Their thoughts focused inward and not towards GOD and they called what GOD declared as good as bad and ever since this humans have been fighting against GODs instructions and human ideas. The truth is the BIBLE and and whatever is says is righteous so whatever it says we follow. some of these pastors teachers are teaching self centered ideas and they are really good at it. The BIBLE says on judgement day some will say lord lord didnt we do all these things in your name and JESUS will say I never knew you depart from me.
Hi Ellees, I often see the phrase "the Lord's anointed" when people are trying to deflect criticism of pastors. Where did you get that from, and who declared Furtick to be this?
Incidentally, one person that this was applied to was King Saul (David called him that in 1 Sam 24:6,10 saying that he should not hurt him), yet Saul was the man whom God rejected as King (1 Sam 15:23 & 26) and rejected. Do you realise that you could be associating Furtick with King Saul, a man in rebellion against God?
Please note that while David did not kill Saul, he felt free to criticise him in public, so there is no injunction in scripture against making the failings of leaders public.
Finally, it is not biblically accurate to single out pastors or any other leader as "the Lord's anointed" in the new testament. All true believers are anointed (2 Cor 1:22 & 1 Jn 2:20,27). The only special anointing is that of Christ our Lord.
Just like W Popof, I encourage you to measure teaching against God's word, not against the words of other "preachers". Be a Berean.
I know this might not be popular here, but I actually like Steven Furtick. As either ANY pastor (ie human), I remember that they are NOT Jesus and not perfect. My own local pastor has made mistakes, as have many other pastors who are public or more private.
I appreciate that you didn't shame or slam him, but defined that his style of preaching isn't one you obviously prefer. Which is fine. I also wonder how many sermons you watched before you came to your conclusions, because some of what you claim he doesn't do...he has done. Thank you for your input.
This is a great way to put something praise the lord!
I’m saddened that we have a platform that names people of the faith. The gifts are without repentance and we all have failings. We as follows of Christ have a responsibility to be led by the Holy Spirit, leading us to love each other and pray for each other. We are called as children of God, saved by the blood of Jesus to first : do not judge and also work out your salvation with fear and trembling on a daily basis. We are called to love each other otherwise if not we are just mere clanging cymbals.
A platform that dissects teachings can be done without naming a person.
This just confirms to the world that we have divisions in following Christ. Jesus called us together. We don’t need to agree with every interpretation of a pastors opinion but called to work out the Word of God with the help of the comforter and interpreter, the beautiful Holy Spirit. We will stand together in the presence of our savour in eternity and our eyes will be opened to all truth.
The problem with this thinking is a "pastor" has no room to evolve to different conclusions as they teach and lead others. They are either leading them to truth or deception. This is why so many are not standing up to the truth because they have pastors who are not teaching the word.
Love means calling out people who are false teachers. We are commanded to judge those within the body. If we don't, we are NOT following the WORD. Discipline with love that leads people to the TRUTH.
YES THANK YOU!!!!! Amen 🙏🏼✝️
Thank you for sharing this, Allie… so important 🙏🏼
Thanks Allie, this helped me. You presented an intellectually honest commentary on Furtick & other teachers/teachings.
Hi, I never listened to you before…so glad I stopped by. I’d like to say that you have been more than gracious concerning Steven Furtick’s preaching style and tweet/post. I know that when I first came to the Lord, I listened to him a lot. I was a new Christian, I was broken and I was looking for a word that would help ease the pain - of course the Lord does the healing and He also surrounds us with people who will speak into our lives. I’m not entirely sure if Steven Furtick spoke into my life, but I believe that some of my pain was lessened by some of his sermons….with that being said we, as Christians begin to grow and milk is longer suffice - solid food is needed. I’m sure some will disagree with me and say that none of his theology is even considered milk, but we all have to start somewhere. Thank you again for your video which I believe is ‘spot on’. I now LOVE expository teaching and find that many scriptures are often used out of context. Although my church is not an expository teaching church, I read and study the Word myself with commentaries to help if needed, and also supplement by listening to Pastor (Dr.) Andy Woods (please someone tune into his channel), I know you’ll be blessed…we’re in the book of Genesis Ch. 12 (Series 56!) …that is now intricate his teaching is.
I did a similar thing when I wanted to really learn more about Jesus and God. I read a ton of authors: CS Lewis, AW Tozer, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Malcolm Muggeridge, Dallas Willard, Andrew Murray, Michael S. Heiser, Bruxy Cavey, Joseph F. Girzone, David G. Benner, Robert Morris, Arthur W. Pink, J. C. Ryle, I could go on... Eventually I realized that all of these people were in the same pursuit of truth as I was and we had one thing in common; we all reference The Bible. I figured I already knew the Bible enough, hence reading other authors, but I decided to go back and re-read the 4 Gospels over and over and over again. I found that practice bringing me closer to the truth of Jesus and God more than all of those books combined. They do have their place in supplementation of the Bible but nothing can replace the original Word.
JB I admire you and I admit I could probably never be as wise as you but I can say I think I will change my approach based on how you study.
Great list
I hope you also read and re-read the Epistle of Paul. Extremely important, as Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles, who never had to go from Judaism (Law) to Gods grace.
@@timothysnow4107 I recommend finding a good bible audiobook. Each Gospel is usually between 2-3 hours max.
@@timothysnow4107 also I don’t want to sound like I have a vast wealth of knowledge. Most of those authors I listed were read as audiobooks and some I haven’t finished fully because I get distracted with the next book.
Absolutely love your YT channel, been looking for something like this 😅. It’s hard to find the good ones
Thank you, Allie…. 🙏🏼 praying lots.
Allie - some of your thoughts today remind me of our Lutheran theology. Sin is something we need to acknowledge.
Allie, I couldn’t agree with you more! You have so much wisdom!
This episode was so encouraging! I came into it just curious about what you had to say about him, but I left with so many nuggets of truth and new info I didn’t really know.
the people in Acts didn't know anything of this theology stuff and yet they changed the world
They didn’t? They had the OT , and the Apostles who were taught directly by Jesus himself.
Be careful to not make your faith so complicated that rather than drawing in the lost you become a stumbling block….
Allie I appreciate what you did in this podcast. First of all, I want to encourage your younger Millinnial listeners and say that even as a baby boomer these tasks are equally difficult for me. I am so glad you are outspoken and brave dear Allie. When it comes to God's word, it needs to be defended. So thank you! I'm a faithful follower of Jesus Christ. I listen to most of your podcasts. An old lady in Oregon 🤓
I agree 💯. I'm an old lady from Cali 😎
I am glad to hear from Oregon and CA Christians, the media presents those states as all crazy liberals, I always say there must be a church or 2 in these places, glad to know there is fellow conservative Christians still there, praying for all of us, bless
Thank you Ms. Stuckey for such an in-depth view on this pastor. It was a pleasure listening to you articulate the error of these teachings. Glad also that you are inspired by the John McCarthers and other reformed theologians. I lean in that direction as well. I hope and pray that you ministry has influence on your demographic an can sway people away from the prosperity message. May the Lord bless you and keep you!
Keep preaching the truth. That's the most important and what people need to find out and hear.
Thank you for this content. I'm a new born again Christian and I struggle so hard with my sin. I'm also learning who preaches the true gospel. Dr. John MacArthur has forever changed my life. If anyone is looking for the truth listen to his sermons. Praz God and all glory be to Him in Jesus Christ name! 😇
Also check out Pastor Chris Rosebourogh. He does " fighting for the faith" he not only goes over bad teaching but he pulls out the Hebrew and what it is saying and what it means. I learn so much every time.
Hi, please consider making time to listen to Joyce Meyers and Dr. Stanley. They brought me back from backslider to faith again. For someone who is new, Stanley is gentle while Meyers is straightforward and fights for truth. Like me I believe you will know the Holy Spirit as they speak. I will say they are very different from who you listen to now.
@@slc1923 please consider watching John MacArthurs sermons on women pastors and prosperity preachers. 🙏
Listening to this video, I'm trying not to cry. Something happened a few days ago to me and I've been struggling the past few days spiritually. I prayed this morning for God to help me.
I pray God give you peace and restore your strength, Amen.
The Lord is with you. I am praying for you right now.
God bless you. May God restore you. And keep you strong in the faith
Prayers for you…
can you please explain more, maybe an example ?
Thank you!
I've had red flags about this minister for years.
Loved this episode, so needed and I'm going to share with my loved ones who listen to him.
Also on a side note, I have a similar story about the ponytails! 😂😂And unsent thank you cards from my daughter's birthday
Any Christian who doesn't want Jesus to 'change [him] into something else' should do some serious scriptural reflection. He is either unaware of his sin or not bothered by it...
Hi Allie, just discovered your enthusiastic & informative RUclips videos. I appreciate your clarity of speech & diplomatic approach to those you feel are wrong Biblically in some instances ie Steven Furtick.
Also driving home the essence & vital mandate of GRACE... GOD'S RICHES AT CHRIST'S EXPENSE.😇
YES! thank you for validating my inability to send thank you cards! I'm not alone! haha
Someone I knew sent me a video of his when I was feeling down (a few years back)
I heard him for about 5 minutes and knew he was a motivational speaker. To me, it wasn’t about God but about him.
Never listened to him again.
Appreciate this video for shining light on him.
This is my first time time listening to you and I just wanted to comment on your great speaking skills and articulation without overusing fillers like "um" and "like" which can detract from your message. Also, thanks for presenting a well thought out response and choosing your words carefully. Blessings
I believe God knows who will follow Him. Thus God already sees us as the person He meant us to be. I believe Steven knows we become a better version of ourselves, he was probably wanting us to see how we will be if following God...as God sees us.
Thank you Allie for your channel :) and thank you to her team!
Thanks so much Ma'am. I learned something new today. Keep on teaching. God bless you more.
He is pandering to the masses of a new generation of individuals who want to be told what they want to hear. He has struck it rich no doubt.
Oh what tangled webs we weave under the guise of a 501c3.
He's the only so called "pastor" who built himself a 1.7 million dollar mansion.
@@brandywine4433 what do you mean he us the only?
When we read Revelation we learn that we are responsible, by the letters to the churches, to study and compare what we hear to Scripture. But I thank you for not being judgemental and just pointing out that we must know the Word to know false teaching
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 wow. Im so happy you spoke on this!!!!! This will bless people and change their life for sure
Don't know how I ended up here on this video, but this is exactly what I was questioning myself just this morning @ 32:05. Thank you so much for this. btw, I am now a subscriber.
Oh my...this was quite a RICH presentation!
It almost makes one think if these motivational "preachers" even read the word. Because the whole point of asking Christ to become Lord of your life and forgive your sins is to become Born again into someone new. Each Christian is responsible for reading, searching and studying the scriptures for themselves so that preachers like this don't lead us astray.
Keep up the good work Alllie! God is good! ❤
Allie, thank you for this! If you don’t mind sharing (again, for clarification) some of your trusted and favorite preachers and speakers?
Allie, this has been one of my favorite episodes, if not The favorite. Thank you for all you do. 🙏❣
Perfect Allie!!! You want to know your worth, look to know who Christ is…He IS. Your life!! Your life is hid in His ! Be intentionally aware of this and you are walking in the spirit!!!
Two things...1. slow down
2. Breathe
Wow! Great sermon at the end. Thank you. I needed to hear this--I don't follow Steven Furtick--but I have been a Christian a long time and sometimes forget true nature of the Gospel.
Text can have layers of meaning. Deeper we dig, more layers we find.
I’m so glad God is our judge and not human’s who are just as flawed and imperfect as their brother and sister. If we have a problem with someone go to them and them alone, it’s Bible.
Yes I agree. This is despicable to say the least. 😡
First time listener of Allie,
Don't you love it when you find someone speaking God's Word in Harmony, Balance and Alignment?
What a blessing.
Thank you Allie.
In quick note: I've continued to tell and re emphasize with many believers who have fallen victim to the false doctrine/teaching of 'living above sin'.
As many churches nowadays, have picked up on this teaching and have integrated it, including misinterpreting the admonition of Christ when he told the woman 'go and sin no more.'
When you said 'Grace Driven Determination' - that's it.
Sublime truth.
Glory to God.
Thank you for the great commentary, Allie. I learn something new and have a better understanding about what’s happening in the world with a Christian perspective in every podcast, God bless you.
I enjoy the teaching of Pastor Allen Jackson & his 📚. He has made me a 💪 Christian by telling me to open my Bible & my heart before he gives his message!
His “preaching” is just him reading 1-2 sentences out of the Bible and going on a tangent and rambling on for the rest of the time 🙄
Agreed! Colin Miller says the same thing about Furtick. He doesn't know the Bible!
@@MyHome7_Carla Well he did go to SBTS (Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) so he has learned about the Bible. Sadly he knows what he is doing.
@@markmoore8399 that doesn’t mean sh*t
I was saying earlier the other day that since I’ve heard other preachers preach I feel like furtick is a good praiser. He doesn’t really teach toooooo tooo much. Just small important things and aloooooot of praising and encouraging things. I think his way of praising and testimony is different from others. Also people say he said he was God almighty. He was saying that in an encouraging way as if God was saying it to us. Reminding us that He is God almighty. And strong and all powerful. If furtick was referring to himself that would be a huge poop show 😂😂😂😂I definitely think we all have to read the Bible for ourself and use discernment at the same time as watching different sermons
@@BowlFullOfAri Furtick preaches about himself practically every week. I did not realize that until I went through the Fighting for the Faith podcast archives a few years ago.
He basically takes a passage of Scripture and inserts himself and Elevation Church into the text. This is why Matt Chandler's sermon was censored after he preached there in 2012. (ruclips.net/video/9yqQuTT1S40/видео.html )
I’ve seen him only a couple of times for just a very few short minutes and I’ve never stopped in in his sermons again.
Great explanation on the different types of preaching. God has given you talent and I pray that you will always use it for His glory. Thanks
I LOVE this Allie! IT IS THE RENEWING OF THE MIND!! I have talked to so many people about our identity in Christ for so many years. IT IS SO sad to me when I hear Christians call themselves by their former nature because they still sin at times. They say "we have wicked hearts, we are fallen sinners" even though we have the Spirit of God ect. ect. NO DISTINCTION is made that is who we WERE, but that we are no longer in and of ourselves! WE ARE IN CHRIST! He purchased us from our fallen state in Adam and Our eyes are on HIM! WE BELONG TO GOD! We are sanctified by the word of truth!!
HE IS THE GOOD TREE! We are the DISPLAY of His splendor, a righteous planting of the Lord; grafted INTO Israel, hidden IN CHRIST with GOD! He has turned our hearts to God through the gospel! WE SEE OUR SIN because we are IN THE LIGHT! WE DID NOT SEE OUR SIN BEFORE! WE WERE IN DARKNESS AND THOUGHT WE WERE GOOD! But we were PRACTICING deeds of DARKNESS!
Now OUR WHOLE SELF RULED by the sin nature was CUT AWAY by Christ! He has opened our eyes to HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. WE LIVE by faith in CHRIST! IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM! We are born again to CONTINUE the life of Christ to seek and save the lost by His Spirit to build God's kingdom using all the gifts He has given us for HIS GLORY! IT IS NOT ABOUT US ANYMORE!
We are a holy nation, a royal priesthood, a people of GOD'S OWN POSSESSION! TO TELL ABOUT CHRIST and the work God's Son has done to take away our unbelief and save us from His wrath for our sin. CHRIST IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD!
And I agree with you, that if you make your present identity in Christ about YOU and God is somehow there to help YOU live YOUR BEST life...THAT IS NOT THE GOSPEL! THIS IS NOT A DO OVER! He didn't pick us up and dust us off to try to do it better again. HE MAKES US WHOLE! BRINGS US TO GOD! HE IS our healing.
GOD'S WILL IS TO SEEK AND SAVE THE LOST by His Spirit through His Son and we are called to co-labor with Christ! ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE! NONE OF US IS WORTHY!
He has redeemed us FROM the fall and washed away our sin, sending out his bride into this world to tear down arguments and tread on the lies of Satan that blind our neighbors to the truth of God's wrath for sin and the grace of His righteousness and the judgment. THAT'S OUR NEW LIFE in Christ and what we are called to, no matter the gifts, ministry or role. TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD!
John 13:8
May the Lord bless you and your household! Love, Tara
This was so informative. Thanks Allie!
Absolutely, it was very well said in my opinion.
Thank you for sharing this content. So many good, solid Christian folks I know post Furtick quotes and videos. Something in my spirit set me on guard where he is concerned. Appreciating the truth you share and praying he sticks to the truth of the Word so it will set him free. Oh, and it’s not just millennials that have the “errand paralysis”. Let’s open it up to everyone across the board! Living through this Covid period seems only to have exacerbated the issue. 😉
Your honesty in the intro is very heartwarming