I like it a lot - IF it is DONE WELL!! But it all depends on the specific build, not every build would look right with it. And large areas of fiberglass don't look good unless they are PERFECT... with no wavy-ness to them or (like you pointed out) if the symmetry is off by even the smallest amount. In this build I think it was a good with that amount of fiberglass. But if you has continued into the ports and the entire top it would have been way too much. Aside from all the flaws that you pointed out it came out pretty good.[ I've never done a build with fiberglass tbh, and only really saw it on show cars.... And a lot of people around here didn't do much custom work... it was usually an off the shelf box with the amp mounted to the side or top lol But that was just the one's that I saw growing up around here in the stix of south jersey.
Oh the "good ole days". I miss the looks of some of these systems at times, so much uniqueness with fiberglass. It wasnt just about hiding everything but truly making it a show piece of the vehicle.
It’s a very humbling thing to go look at past work and take some pride in how far you’ve come! Experience is the BEST learning you can get. Yes agreed failure IS success!!
lol, i laugh at myself thinking back 30+ years to my first build in my 1980 monte carlo, was my grandparents car, my grandpa said if i can fix it i can have it, so i did. the system in that thing was a disaster lmao, but hey i was 16 and never messed with car audio until that moment. also that was 1990 and there was no internet like today, and when you went to a car audio shop back then to ask questions, nobody wanted to talk to a 16 year old kid........ it's fun to think back on all the builds along the way to see how much we learned, and of course to laugh at ourselves once in a while.
That is about how good my boxes looked daily. Yes, we were expected to make boxes plus install the whole system in a day, or rarely 2 days. We were screwing in woofers with the glue still wet. Tuning while someone else is vacuuming and sweeping up and putting the seats back in the car. Those were the (I don't miss them) days! Company name: Audiomobile (early 90's in the bay area).
My first car audio, video, security business in 2000 was Sound System & Security Unlimited, in 2004 shrunk it to S3 Unlimited, closed it in 2008 when housing market crashed, than opening another one in 2011 called Down4Sound yes I had the name and email way back, JP has made it much better. And answer to your question is those enclosures remind me of pimp my ride and west coast customs. To each there own, 😁😁😁😁thanks for sharing your past.
I am literally 95% done with a fiberglass sub box build for my Ford Maverick (no aftermarket options yet). Going to run an 8" sub in the under seat cubby. I didn't know the stretched volcano style was so old and outdated. The last one I made was back in 2013 though...
They were everywhere in the early 2000s. I don't think any "Pimp My Ride" car escaped without some form of bulbous fiberglass and that show was on in 2004. I had buddies that were more into custom cars than car audio and they were getting their stuff done up like that right around 2008-ish, which is when I knew it was probably getting played out. That said, there's nothing wrong with it when done well. I have one on my agenda right now. 👍
I used to use "Marks mobile audio and security". Back in the day I used to service car dealers. Deck and 2, deck and 4, deck changer, 4 speakers and security, remote start, etc... I never did too many sub woofers tho.
Fiberglass still has its place! Lots of swoopy curvy vehicle interiors still out there, and if you're trying to do a custom factory look, it's a good skill to have. As for the trunk not closing, I'm guilty of this. To my credit, I was AWARE of the hinge mechanisms, and designed accordingly! What I didn't realize is that they tapered inward when they closed, and I wasn't wise enough to lock myself in the trunk with a flashlight and a tape measure... As if that's not bad enough, I had to completely redesign and rebuild the box from scratch. Went from three subs to two; just not enough space. D'oh!
In the close up of the amp it also looks like ALOT of the power wire strands were cut off so only a fraction of the strands were actually being used. Noone a pro out of the gate Mark we all have these under our belts. Thanks for sharing.
I have a question. If you were to buy an audiophile type head unit, which one would it be? For example Pioneer had a product line called "Stage 4" reference series. The headunits in that series contained 3 way active crossovers.
My first enclosures were MDF screwed and glued with a popular wood construction adhesive, while they were fine for a few years the particular adhesive slowly reacted to some chemical in the MDF and went hard and brittle, to the point that if you removed the screws and gave the box a firm kick the whole thing would collapse like a stack of cards, now I only use PVA wood glues with MDF boxes.
These days of building, I was more into building dimensional boxes without fiberglass, because the volcano style, cut Narwals horn speaker enclosure was in abundance. Nothing wrong with being traditional if it doesn’t fit the look.
The pinched surround from those oversized screws... reminds me of my teens. And that time my screw driver stabbed straight through my brand new sub. Also I learned that electrons actually flow from negative to positive, so yeah equal wire gauge is important!
It technically doesn't matter where the bottleneck is in a circuit due to the continuity principle (see fluid dynamics). Also, because resistance is proportional to length, it's not a deal killer to have a narrow ground wire if it is short. That said, we can all agree that using the same size wire for positive and ground just looks better.
I don't miss these at all but I do miss when installs were much cleaner and not just focused on moving air. I think I've seen enough hair tricks to last me a life time.
whats the best position to place two similar models of subwoofers in a trunk (with no space problem) in two different ported enclosures? 1) both facing towards the trunk? 2) both facing each other one placed at the left side of the trunk the other on the right but their ports are in such a way they are not against each other. one is at the back, near the rear seats other one is further down near the trunk. _____ _____ | (port here) | | |____| (port here) _____| 3) both subs facing upwards
@CarAudioFabrication Can you do a video comparing SQ between all the medias? I've had a big debate with my mate regarding USB vs AUX vs Bluetooth (4 and 5) and we still disagree xD I've been to an SQ competition where they've used CD's as well. Thanks!
Company name is BNC Designs (Bold New Custom Designs). I have been using this company name for over 10 years now but the services/products I offer have changed multiple times. It has gone from clothing to subwoofer enclosure building to full on woodworking and furniture building to car performance modification
@@CarAudioFabrication very true. I've been lucky with my 10 year old MB quart amps. The new Hifonics have also been bad. But yet they both use maxxonics boards. Interesting to see as time goes on.
A single 12 in a proper box with clean power even if just half what the sub is rated for will hit like 2 15’s in an average install.. you can also get a lot of loading in a car trunk with the way the seat pretty much all good now.. the 60/40 is ideal dropping the 40 side on the drivers side and rear facing on the passenger side back against the 60 side. But yeah I’m old enough to have been around when the fiberglass show piece boxes first came to the scene. I always loved the look but understood air space and tuning pairs with properly loading the vehicle was king. I still enjoyed flipping the pages in magazines though and seeing all these types of builds Always Brad or finish nail with wood glue.. I see too many screwing boxes together not understanding how wood glue bonds the wood together and is way stronger then screws.. nails or screws are just to hold it till the glue dries. Simple rabbit joints add a lot of strength by increasing the surface area of the glue.. Lastly mdf is king for box building.. yes it’s harder to work with and god help you trying to screw it together even if you predrill.. but the dampening factor of mdf vs wood shouldn’t be overlooked..
HAHAHHA I visited crutchfields "what fits your vehicle" and it basically said.... dont touch it... dont bother... .are you mad.... leave it alone.... 1999 bmw e39 540it sport wagon.... go figure... thats what i just did anyway.... tore it all apart and gutted all the electrominonicals
Bro trys to tell me sealed is better than ported for spl tells me he got 12 1st place trophies in the trunk of a Regal I'm like show me. Foo ain't contacted me since. Telling fish stories today is ridiculous. Not one pic of a build or trophy. I tell bro I'm 15 years older than him he thought I was a noob asking me if I knew what HX2s were I said ever hear of Series 1s. Yea I was building isobarics and 6th orders in 1992 peach fuzz...
My shop name was KarTunes in Fresno California in the 80s and 90s. Then decided i had enough of it and closed the business. But i still do some builds for friends
Hey dudes! 👋Thanks for tuning in!😎 Does anyone miss this style of build with the fiberglass? Or are you glad its no longer popular?
I like it a lot - IF it is DONE WELL!! But it all depends on the specific build, not every build would look right with it. And large areas of fiberglass don't look good unless they are PERFECT... with no wavy-ness to them or (like you pointed out) if the symmetry is off by even the smallest amount. In this build I think it was a good with that amount of fiberglass. But if you has continued into the ports and the entire top it would have been way too much. Aside from all the flaws that you pointed out it came out pretty good.[
I've never done a build with fiberglass tbh, and only really saw it on show cars.... And a lot of people around here didn't do much custom work... it was usually an off the shelf box with the amp mounted to the side or top lol But that was just the one's that I saw growing up around here in the stix of south jersey.
I just wish sunflash was available all those years ago. No stinky mess
Oh the "good ole days". I miss the looks of some of these systems at times, so much uniqueness with fiberglass. It wasnt just about hiding everything but truly making it a show piece of the vehicle.
Lol I don't miss these type of installs at all. They didn't fit the interior, was just too flashy. But hey, to each their own. Thanks for dropping in!
It’s a very humbling thing to go look at past work and take some pride in how far you’ve come! Experience is the BEST learning you can get. Yes agreed failure IS success!!
Thanks for watching!
lol, i laugh at myself thinking back 30+ years to my first build in my 1980 monte carlo, was my grandparents car, my grandpa said if i can fix it i can have it, so i did. the system in that thing was a disaster lmao, but hey i was 16 and never messed with car audio until that moment. also that was 1990 and there was no internet like today, and when you went to a car audio shop back then to ask questions, nobody wanted to talk to a 16 year old kid........ it's fun to think back on all the builds along the way to see how much we learned, and of course to laugh at ourselves once in a while.
That is about how good my boxes looked daily. Yes, we were expected to make boxes plus install the whole system in a day, or rarely 2 days. We were screwing in woofers with the glue still wet. Tuning while someone else is vacuuming and sweeping up and putting the seats back in the car. Those were the (I don't miss them) days! Company name: Audiomobile (early 90's in the bay area).
My first car audio, video, security business in 2000 was Sound System & Security Unlimited, in 2004 shrunk it to S3 Unlimited, closed it in 2008 when housing market crashed, than opening another one in 2011 called Down4Sound yes I had the name and email way back, JP has made it much better.
And answer to your question is those enclosures remind me of pimp my ride and west coast customs. To each there own, 😁😁😁😁thanks for sharing your past.
I am literally 95% done with a fiberglass sub box build for my Ford Maverick (no aftermarket options yet). Going to run an 8" sub in the under seat cubby. I didn't know the stretched volcano style was so old and outdated. The last one I made was back in 2013 though...
They were everywhere in the early 2000s. I don't think any "Pimp My Ride" car escaped without some form of bulbous fiberglass and that show was on in 2004. I had buddies that were more into custom cars than car audio and they were getting their stuff done up like that right around 2008-ish, which is when I knew it was probably getting played out.
That said, there's nothing wrong with it when done well. I have one on my agenda right now. 👍
Appreciate you bro. You came a long way!
I used to use "Marks mobile audio and security". Back in the day I used to service car dealers. Deck and 2, deck and 4, deck changer, 4 speakers and security, remote start, etc... I never did too many sub woofers tho.
Fiberglass still has its place! Lots of swoopy curvy vehicle interiors still out there, and if you're trying to do a custom factory look, it's a good skill to have.
As for the trunk not closing, I'm guilty of this. To my credit, I was AWARE of the hinge mechanisms, and designed accordingly! What I didn't realize is that they tapered inward when they closed, and I wasn't wise enough to lock myself in the trunk with a flashlight and a tape measure... As if that's not bad enough, I had to completely redesign and rebuild the box from scratch. Went from three subs to two; just not enough space. D'oh!
In the close up of the amp it also looks like ALOT of the power wire strands were cut off so only a fraction of the strands were actually being used. Noone a pro out of the gate Mark we all have these under our belts. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah I didn't do the wiring on this project, just built the box for my buddy, but regardless definitely not quite right..
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!! I always learn so much from your videos. Thank you for being so candid. It gives us screw ups hope. LOL
I preferred the Infinite Baffle Subwoofer setup back in the day. Stillwater Designs now Kicker made free air subwoofers just for that type of install.
Dude that box reminds me of the old school Qlogic box where the speakers faced each other
I have a question. If you were to buy an audiophile type head unit, which one would it be? For example Pioneer had a product line called "Stage 4" reference series. The headunits in that series contained 3 way active crossovers.
My first enclosures were MDF screwed and glued with a popular wood construction adhesive, while they were fine for a few years the particular adhesive slowly reacted to some chemical in the MDF and went hard and brittle, to the point that if you removed the screws and gave the box a firm kick the whole thing would collapse like a stack of cards, now I only use PVA wood glues with MDF boxes.
These days of building, I was more into building dimensional boxes without fiberglass, because the volcano style, cut Narwals horn speaker enclosure was in abundance. Nothing wrong with being traditional if it doesn’t fit the look.
Was the customer going for an SPL or SQ system? How did it sound in the end?
Great video, have learned a lot from you over the years 👊👊
My first company name is KVAudio , started just about 4years ago😁😁
wowowo i love those light behind you, what they are?
The pinched surround from those oversized screws... reminds me of my teens. And that time my screw driver stabbed straight through my brand new sub.
Also I learned that electrons actually flow from negative to positive, so yeah equal wire gauge is important!
Ooof! Every mistake is a learning experience for sure.
It technically doesn't matter where the bottleneck is in a circuit due to the continuity principle (see fluid dynamics). Also, because resistance is proportional to length, it's not a deal killer to have a narrow ground wire if it is short. That said, we can all agree that using the same size wire for positive and ground just looks better.
I remember the show Unique Whips on speed channel…. Over the top builds but no math was used for volumetric efficiency.
Used to watch that all the time, but yes things like proper volume didn't really seem to be fully thought through
@@CarAudioFabrication let’s just throw 4 JL w1 in the trunk and rattle can the interior. Perfect!
But... Did it bump?
I don't miss these at all but I do miss when installs were much cleaner and not just focused on moving air. I think I've seen enough hair tricks to last me a life time.
12s probably would have worked out really well for those enclosures
How much do you charge to do a audio system
Two videos in one day ☺️
My shop name has been used for @ 20 years. Turner Audio Dezines LLC.
Back then it was pretty or Performance and it's definitely pretty.
whats the best position to place two similar models of subwoofers in a trunk (with no space problem) in two different ported enclosures?
1) both facing towards the trunk?
2) both facing each other one placed at the left side of the trunk the other on the right but their ports are in such a way they are not against each other. one is at the back, near the rear seats other one is further down near the trunk.
_____ _____
| (port here) | |
|____| (port here) _____|
3) both subs facing upwards
@CarAudioFabrication Can you do a video comparing SQ between all the medias? I've had a big debate with my mate regarding USB vs AUX vs Bluetooth (4 and 5) and we still disagree xD I've been to an SQ competition where they've used CD's as well.
Thanks!
I miss these days... using stretched felt was the easiest way then saturate with fiberglass resin.
Definitely miss the crazy builds but DON'T miss the fiberglass itching and endless hours of sanding after body filler.
I feel you bro 😂
If I did that 15 years ago, I wouldn't feel too bad about it.
Nothing is a mistake if you learn from it
Company name is BNC Designs (Bold New Custom Designs). I have been using this company name for over 10 years now but the services/products I offer have changed multiple times. It has gone from clothing to subwoofer enclosure building to full on woodworking and furniture building to car performance modification
I mean in 2022 its pretty bad but in the late 90s early-mid 2000s wouldve been sorta status quoe for builds of the time
ive tested alot of the newer 8000 bamfs. 98% all had burnt boards and werent worth repair. either poor qc or user error. likely combination of both...
Yeah definitely not quality gear. But we were young and didn't know any better
@@CarAudioFabrication very true. I've been lucky with my 10 year old MB quart amps. The new Hifonics have also been bad. But yet they both use maxxonics boards. Interesting to see as time goes on.
Incredible custom build but why go with such a cheap audio brand
A single 12 in a proper box with clean power even if just half what the sub is rated for will hit like 2 15’s in an average install.. you can also get a lot of loading in a car trunk with the way the seat pretty much all good now.. the 60/40 is ideal dropping the 40 side on the drivers side and rear facing on the passenger side back against the 60 side.
But yeah I’m old enough to have been around when the fiberglass show piece boxes first came to the scene. I always loved the look but understood air space and tuning pairs with properly loading the vehicle was king.
I still enjoyed flipping the pages in magazines though and seeing all these types of builds
Always Brad or finish nail with wood glue.. I see too many screwing boxes together not understanding how wood glue bonds the wood together and is way stronger then screws.. nails or screws are just to hold it till the glue dries. Simple rabbit joints add a lot of strength by increasing the surface area of the glue..
Lastly mdf is king for box building.. yes it’s harder to work with and god help you trying to screw it together even if you predrill.. but the dampening factor of mdf vs wood shouldn’t be overlooked..
Still excellent work , ...you must fail so many times to get it right .
HAHAHHA I visited crutchfields "what fits your vehicle" and it basically said.... dont touch it... dont bother... .are you mad.... leave it alone.... 1999 bmw e39 540it sport wagon.... go figure... thats what i just did anyway.... tore it all apart and gutted all the electrominonicals
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
YES learn from your mistakes indeed.
It’s called hearing loss damage. 🙄
Funny because I still statistically rank in the top 99th percentile for perfect hearing in my hearing tests.
Bro trys to tell me sealed is better than ported for spl tells me he got 12 1st place trophies in the trunk of a Regal
I'm like show me. Foo ain't contacted me since. Telling fish stories today is ridiculous.
Not one pic of a build or trophy.
I tell bro I'm 15 years older than him he thought I was a noob asking me if I knew what HX2s were I said ever hear of Series 1s. Yea I was building isobarics and 6th orders in 1992 peach fuzz...
Like #890
My shop name was KarTunes in Fresno California in the 80s and 90s. Then decided i had enough of it and closed the business. But i still do some builds for friends
You should do subscriber build review's
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