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I think not mentioning how easy it is to prove you're a female boxer makes this entire episode worthless. Intersex athletes can compete with the males and leave female sports alone.
Just now, the other biologically male Lin Yu Ting from Taiwan pummeled Julia Szeremeta, left her bleeding from her nose and lifted Olympic gold. Ofcourse she is woman enough, Dhanya Rajendran. Keep up the propaganda, down with rationality.
Both Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting have clinched gold. They won all their bouts 5-0 and were the only ones to do so in their respective categories. So much for IOC and their 'assumption of no advantage'.
Think you might need to consult a specialist before you discuss this issue, there are multiple out there. Develop,mental; biologist, endocrinologists will explain. Indian testing lab did the tests, what is your issue with that lab. Caster Semenya has fathered children (biological) testosterone advantage at puberty dev elopement. Get a developmental endocrinology.
Why are you telling these lies, are you paid to do this. Your information is disingenuousl your just trying to push this BS woke culture gender affirmation agenda .Who wants to subscribe to a channel that fails to tell the hole story. When both athletes failed the test they were give a chance to appeal. Only one of them went forth with the appeal, only to weeks later withdraw the appeal. The IBA stated due to confidentiality they could not release the actual test results but confirmed the test revealed they were not eligible to compete in womans boxing. You dont have to be a genius to understand what that ment. And the only proof the IOC needs is that you can provide a birth certificate that says on it your a female, they did no actual test. So stop this bs your channel should be taken down, its disturbing that you would continue to paddle this lie...who wants to subscribe to a propaganda fake narrative pushing channel. Truely disgraceful
you speak as if you were the assistant who was with the doctor the day she received the diagnosis, seriously a little humility and admitted that you know nothing and you have no elements for your theories.
It's so funny to see random people in a comment section who can't even use proper punctuation act like they're PhD students who have done years of scientific research on the subject.
No such as ‘male puberty’ if you’re a female. And if you’e born without a penis and testicles, then you’re a female and have a female puberty, however atypical it may be. Throughout all of human history, people born without a penis are females, not males. Males have a penis. Did you not learn that growing up?
There's a good reason why sports/atheletics events are held seperately for males and females. Only biological females should compete with biological females and same should apply to males too. Genetic make up is what decides our gender. It's not their fault that they are genetic males and had a body that is in between mae and females. By puberty testosterone levels shoot up that give them advantage when they compete against women. It is not the question of gender politics but it is a biological truth.
She has lost to women more than she has won though? How do you explain that? She previously had a record of 9 losses and 5 wins. Against women. She doesn’t even look “manly” she has different ethnic features that people are attributing to being manly. Not only that, but a lot of female fighters look “manly”. Look at some of the women who fight in the UFC.
@osmaelias Of course. I know people are lying in order to support Imane. But the truth is the IBA tested Imane and found out Imane was a biological man. The IBA provided the results of that test to the medical team for the IOC. The IOC agreed that they received the letter and the results of that test. The issue is that the IOC doesn't agree with the IBAs decision. But the IOC acknowledges that they received the IBAs letter and the genetic test results for Khelif and Yu-Ting.
@@aajohnsoutube Reputable indeed. "The International Olympic Committee (IOC) suspended the organization in 2019 due to governance and finance issues. In June 2023, the IOC voted to formally strip the IBA of its status as its international federation for boxing, due to a lack of sufficient progress on addressing governance, finance, and corruption concerns since the original suspension; the IBA became the first international federation to ever be expelled from the Olympic movement."
Both Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting have clinched gold. They won all their bouts 5-0 and were the only ones to do so in their respective categories. So much for IOC and their 'assumption of no advantage'.
I totally respect independent media like TNM in India as they always give a different perspective than the mainstream media does when it pertains to Indian issues, however when it comes to international issues they just seem to regurgitate what NYT, WP and Reuters etc put out.
I did. The examples of other athletes she gave include Caster Semenya who is an intersex male athlete who fathered 2 biolgical children via artificial insemination. A person with xy chromosomes internal testes that produce sperm... another example she gave is Serena Williams, who is a woman with masculine features that birthed a baby... these 2 are not the same
And Lucifer cringes at truth, and so his mason worshippers. Real that journos outside mason fagwest alineate themselves on agenda items so important for them. Don't want to clash or really so corrupt? What I know is journo is obeying director, a j*w in the west. And director copy AP or Reuters, both Rothsch--d owned, briefs
Olympics losing all credibility sadly. I have two young daughters, XX, and wonder what their world of sports is going to look like in the coming years?
Why because he is concerned about his daughter’s safety? Because it is offensive to say a woman is a woman and a man is man? Those of you not recognizing the inequalities between biological men and biological women are the problem not vice versa. If Kheleif is a woman then do the tests to prove it and stop all the people from guessing. If I had to prove it I would in a heartbeat. to stop it all. If they have nothing to hide why are they hiding it. I am proud to be a woman. If she is proud then prove it.
1. No evidence of XY chromosomes or transgender-only “verbal claims” by IBA The IBA organization held a press conference but failed to produce the report. 2. Only one verbal claim (by IBA) without formal report, but all other normal tests were ignored: Lin & Khelif have undergone testing in world-class competitions for so many years, but only the IBA in 2023 ‘claimed’ there was an issue and refused to disclose the test items, while previous and subsequent normal test reports by other fair associations have been ignored 3. The whole thing is a political attack and fake news The IBA is backed by Russian forces, so they’re targeting a Taiwanese athlete disliked by China and Khelif, who once defeated a Russian athlete. Most national boxing associations have already withdrawn from IBA, so they are now trying to get revenge on the IOC.
Why checkmate yourself with the assumption that the test claims were just falsified? It's obvious no one is contesting the claims as false or fabricated. The argument is over whether Y chromosomes categorize a person as a male or not. IBA says yes, IOC says no.
The IBA said Khelif failed the chromosome test twice. They sent the results to the IOC, who don't mention the chromosome results at all, but talk about birth certificates and passports. The IOC first said this was NOT a DSD (disorder of sexual development) issue then they RETRACTED it! This means that Khelif has xy chromosomes and was raised as a female due to DSD! Don't be fooled.
I must also add those samples the IBA allegedly took from the athletes passed through other third parties before they ever reached a lab. Possible Tampering or sample swapping could've occurred.
It's interesting to notice that the presenter of the video does tell about the IBA refusal of revealing their test-results while "forgetting" to tell that both athletes did NOT appeal their disqualification of the IBA's WORLD boxing championship in 2023 (not "an event" like slyly told by this presenter). It's also interesting to notice that the IOC accepted one athlete merely because the passport (issued a few years ago) states that the athlete is a "woman", a fact NOT mentioned by this presenter. "Racial discrimination"? When done by Indian men against Indian women, is it also racism? Or is it suddenly something else, maybe "cultural"? It's interesting how the presenter mentioned black and Indian women but "suddenly" forgetting the Spaniard athlete, a "whitie"... And XY = male and XX = female. As simple as that and nothing "complex" to invent afterwards.
If there's something Algerian people despite the most it's definitely INJUSTICE this is why they have her back. Imene definitely has nothing to fear nor to loose as long as she has her people! They picked the wrong fight with the wrong person with the wrong people, little do the haters know that Algerians have an exospheric national integrity and pride.
@@agentagent2241 Imene Khelif is a fully mature WOMANE, to think that a country like Algeria would let a transgender room around freely let alone represent the country at the olympics just shows ignorant and Dumb you guys are. Imene Khelif is a victime of the reckoning between IBA and the IOC, since the IOC which is THE biggest sports organisation in the world has made it clear that IBA A RUSSIAN OWNED boxing organisation has nothing to do with boxing around the world anymore and was banned from having any say in these olympics, they (IBA) decided to try discredit the IOC by creating this contrevercy and spreading XY chromosone fake news tests WHICH NEVER HAPPENED and which IBA never showed nor wanted to show the results to the press or the public. I'm not even surprised your politicians piss on you, i mean look at you Americans you're just a big herd of sheeps folowing whatever your biased media throws down your throats. I thought Americans being dumb was just a stereotype but it turned out to be a FACT.
Please enlighten me ,with the science. . does this person who has XY chromosome get monthly periods? Has this person ever menstruated...? . As biological women we all know the weakness women feel during the monthly phase .
Well who told you she has XY chromosomes, forst of all there is not test conducted to determine someones gender genetics so that is a lie and u just keep spreading it
Xy chromosomes mean no periods, no possibility to carry a baby. This is the male genotype. At birth the baby might have looked female outwardly due to developmental disorder, hence the female birth certificate. This is not the athlete's fault, but the debate is about fairness and safety in women's sports.
I remember when Australians were unable to handle Harbhajan's spinners (Doosra) they started labeling it as suspicions. And it happened with Muralidharan too. Now another white Karen blames the problem with a brown person. It easy to realize where the problem is.
@Camp-h9g first of all let ask u this. in your world is boy born with a vagina?? or a dick? they dont have a dick when they were born tell me what that should be? you can go do ur research and will see tons of source saying even with a xy chrome u can still get vagina which in hospital that's the way of distinguished if the baby is boy or girl by their biological characteristics. don't be ignorant and racists.
If you have male chromosomes (xy), you definitely have a big advantage over women in boxing. Even if you have a complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS). No women with xy chromosomes, only with xx.
he doesn't have it, his trainer said that when he reduced his testosterone, he started losing weight. So it's clear that testosterone has an effect on him.
@RizwanHuda-fk5uq you mean photo bomb. you could ask imane a question like " do you have a period ? ". if he says " I dont have a period in my life time ".
Though khelif was born female with DSD, she isn't biologically the same as any other woman and she is winning over every woman athlete and my question is, how is it fair for other women? And then comes an extra 150 grams that disqualified our champ! Just the hypocrisy or loopholes misused in Olympics.
No two females are biologically same. Then only clones should fight each other. Your perspective of fairness is very narrow which doesn't fit the world of sports. According to you Michael Phelps shouldn't be allowed to compete because he has an unfair biological advantage over average males, not to mention the cutting edge technology he used in some Olympics.
She was barred from boxing as a child BECAUSE SHE WAS A GIRL, SHES A WOMAN EMPOWERMENT SUCCESS STORY!! This is actually such a joke, bafoons, all of you lot
"2011 the IAAF established official rules restricting female athletes with elevated levels of testosterone, arguing it presents an unfair advantage. From 2011 to 2019 Semenya was locked in a cycle of appeals and court cases until the Court of Arbitration for Sport ruled in favour of IAAF regulations stating that female athletes with differences of sexual development (DSD) are required to take testosterone-reducing medication to compete in track events from 400m to the mile."
Dhanya- Let me tell you this first. I admire your journalistic courage and am a fan for at least a few years now. But your video about Imane Khaleif (and Lin Yu-ting) I cannot agree with at all. Whether the IBA's gender eligibility tests last year found XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone or not, these two (and any others like them) should not have been categorised as women and pitted against women in the competitions. The argument that the Passports categorise them as women does not hold any water. The argument that they were born, raised, and competed as women also does not fly. There are instances when doctors assign the gender (sometimes at the parents requests even) when they cannot categorically declare the baby as female or male. If they are among the few that have this so called DSD, even if they have been allocated the gender-female even if they have XY(where the Y chromosome is not fully formed,) they should not be pitted against the women who have XX. I fully support the women who are protesting against their inclusion because even with an incomplete Y chromosome, they have a higher edge and power as against other women who are competing. This is not right. They should be pitted against the other males or should be pitted against other people who are like them. What is the use of such a win when won like this? Women have been robbed with their inclusion. You are tying to muddy this up with your question of why such questions arise only of woman atheletes. Do I like people raising this question just to heckle them? I agree, but Imane Khaleif does not look like a woman even 1%. So, yes this question should be asked and it is pertinent. If it is not asked and such things are allowed, we will not have a women's competition at all in future. I don't support the bullying, but their claim that they have been assigned female from birth, brought up as female, competed as female is just BS. I don't agree with them being bullied because of their gender choice, but just because they consider them as women mentally does not give them any right to compete in sports. Plain and simple.
A lot of text, a lot of repetition, a lot of opinion, (+ a little nonsense) but otherwise there is hardly any information that contains evidence directly applicable to the case. (because there is not enough facts published til now) The only and decisive argument that I can fully agree with you on is that women should not box against men because they are physically superior, so it would be unfair and the result foreseeable. And that's exactly where you should have realized, if you were looking at it fairly, that SHE has already lost 9 professional fights against indisputable women! One of the 9 winners even publicly defended Imane. Also, until this fight, there were obviously never any complaints, nor did any opponent leave the ring crying beforehand. How does that fit in with everything you're saying here? Why shouldn't she be allowed to take part? When it is obvious that even IF she has an advantage, it cannot (evidently) be considered overpowering, unfair or disqualifying because it does not go beyond the scope of fair competition. She fights at the usual level for women, otherwise the 9 defeats would not exist. And that's the ONLY thing that matters in sport, not whether you think she doesn't look 1% like a woman. Which, by the way, I really think is a pretty presumptuous comment and can hardly be understood objectively, if not as pretty mean. (especially when you see the pictures from the interview)
Thanks for the video!! Carini...is in wrong sport...she is in boxing...why complaining about punches...😅😅😅 Congratulations to Imane ... Simply bullying a person while you fail is 😂😂😂 Imane lost previous matches why No one pointing this
IOC prioritizes political correct ness at the expense of safety and fairness in women's sports, that's why they refuse to test for chromosomes att the 2024 Olympics.
There is some truth to the fact that the more muscular and lean we women become our hormones are affected and that can be why elevated testosterone is a probability. In truth studies on women's biology leans heavily towards reproductive health and research on its complexities and differences are not pursued.
@@johnnysupreme5718 anyone can express their opinion and what they stand for in a civil way, no excuse for baseless harassment and bullying. If someone has a problem with the Olympics eligibility qualification, they should deal with the Olympics directly.
@@WardMB Nah we're starting to get beyond the point where being civil is okay. This is an insult to everyone involved. It makes the Olympics look like a joke, it devalues the medals that the actual women won, it locked actual women who actually trained to be there out of the competition, it sets a toxic standard for female athletics everywhere that allowing what is most likely a male to compete is acceptable, and it insults the intelligence of the average viewer that they just randomly aren't testing this person with serious allegations of cheating or publicly announcing the results. If someone's feelings are hurt by the sentiments being expressed, good; because this is disgusting and needs to not happen again.
@@johnnysupreme5718 I would agree with you, if not for one small detail: she is not a man. She did not cheat, she was born a woman. Nothing justifies harassment and bullying and this is why there is lawsuit and legal investigation open against the people who sparkled this hate frenzy. If you have proof that she is male please enlighten us and share it with the rest of the world. I invite you to watch her Olympic matches so you can see that her winning is a result of pure talent and mastery of technique.
@@WardMB If someone in the Olympics was widely accused of doping and they refused to test them or release their test results they would be universally condemned and deemed a cheater.
Well researched Dhanya. I fully endorse you. The Russian Umar Kremlev is a corrupt person and everyone in the boxing fraternity knows this. He cried hoarse only after the Russian boxer lost. Imane has already undergone the traditional female test that is used for testing whether a person is a female or male. Moreover, the IBA should have made the result public and not hide behind privacy laws.
it's not the IBA which is hiding, Khelif has the right to publish the test results any time - how can you not see this? If the IBA published the test results they'd get destroyed by any court
@@andreasfroehli You forget the legality. The onus is on IBA to publish the results because they are the accuser. Khelif will respond to them in Court, maybe even sue IBA and make them bankrupt. We are still debating what distinguishes a man from a woman and a transgender. There is no unanimous scientific view on this. While some scientists view presence of XXY chromosomes despite female genitalia (vagina and uterus) test as female others consider them as transgender but never a male. Umar Lutfulloyev aka Umar Kremlev has started this debate by banning Khelif only when she defeated the Russian boxer Azalla Amineva. He should have banned her before she lost but his company TsUPIS, in which even Vladimir Putin has stakes would have lost heavily in betting. TsUPIS is a monopolistic sports booking company in Russia and Umar was given the monopoly by Putin himself. He is also the ultimate beneficial owner of Fonbet, Pari, Liga Stavok. Learn about Proekt's investigations. If there hadn't been Covid, he would never have been the President of IBA, which he won in virtual voting. Do you think IOC doesn't know this. In fact, Umar is one of the 10 biggest bookmaker in the world. So, the intentions of Kremlev was not honest. The Russian boxer's only hindrance was Khelif, which Kremlev removed, so that she can win gold. Khelif's gold in Paris is a smack on his face. He is mixing white feminine supremacy with gender issues to make profits. The IOC has seen through this now.
The lab used by the IBA, the one that identified these two boxers as having XY Chromosomes, is the same one used by the IOC for Olympic dope testing. The lab is obviously reliable. The male DSD which leads to external ambiguous genitalia and can lead to babies being falsely 'identified' as females at birth in some parts of the world, is known as 5-ARD, just like Caster Semenya. Both the boxers were given the opportunity to appeal against their disqualification by the IBA and both refused (for obvious reasons). More reliable, science-based information is available elsewhere on the internet. Don't be fooled by the gaslighting in this video.
Ok! So, if they do have XY chromosomes at levels higher than an average women, does that make them male? So according to you only clones should compete against eachother because in most cases winners have some kind of advantage that help them play better. Underdogs very rarely pull off upsets.
I came across a post discussing Iman Khalif, and I wanted to share my thoughts on it. It’s important to understand that just because Iman has higher levels of testosterone, it doesn’t make her a man. This is simply a natural condition she was born with and has no control over. Imagine if you were born with this and faced bullying because of it-how would you feel? I’m addressing those who claim to support feminism but still expect women to fit certain beauty standards. Where is your support now? To those who continue to say the Algerian boxer is a man, you’re being unfair. I hope you can empathize and understand her situation by putting yourself in her shoes.
Ok so let me put an counter argument hope you share your thoughts on it. So she has an condition where her Y chromosome are mutated which result in some female organs. She was raised as a female. She has failed gender test which are there to ensure fair fights. Last year she was disqualified due to her high level of testosterone so she used some medication to bring the testosterone level down. But the benefits of the testosterone remains. This is why people are saying it's unfair. And think about it this way, this type of condition is rare but do you think that only 10 or 100 people are born with this condition. The world population is huge if this is allowed than every country will start to use athletes like her. Will that be fair for a women than??
She’s not a man but it does seem like she went through male puberty so her naturally high testosterone is likely the result of male reproductive parts (though not a penis). Her situation resembles that of Caster Semenya who was barred by World Athletics (the governing body of track and field for the Olympics) unless she suppressed her testosterone into the female range. She refused so she could not compete in Olympics.
If this is true, as you say, then women's sports requiring physical strength and speed should be thrown out of the Olympics. Or else, we should accept passports and personal identification.
We love you imane khelif ❤️🇩🇿, you are an inspiration to all the algerian women, you are an example of resilience courage and hard work despite the bulling,racism and western ignorance, we love you imane and are proud of you❤️🇩🇿💪.
@Camp-h9g I remember when Australians were unable to handle Harbhajan's spinners (Doosra) they started labeling it as suspicions. And it happened with Muralidharan too. Now another white Karen blames the problem with a brown person. It easy to realize where the problem is.
@Camp-h9g she is not. Her father showed photos and papers. Her ID says she's a woman. Why fake all this just to play in olympics? Use your basic thinking. It's stupid to accuse her of being a male.
The Italian thought she could cry her way to a gold medal. She’s mediocre and was simply not good enough for the Olympics and she knew it! Anyone who saw that fight knows that it wasn’t some bloodbath like the media made out to be. It was a NORMAL match. Instead of persevering and doing her best in the ring, the Italian threw a tantrum and used her white tears to insinuate to the world that Khelif was something else. She should be ASHAMED of herself for the way she treated Khelif and for portraying herself as some victim. No girl, you are simply not good enough. Khelif trained harder, worked harder and wanted it more.
Yep. 2 women boxer that won againts Khelif called out that cry baby! Even Ms. Susan snide if she should goes through gender test too just because she won againts khelif. 9 women won againts khelif, 14 women won againts Lin!
Life isn't fair, my dear. I agree : no one should be forced to take medication to lower testosterone. But no matter how people try to spin this testosterone, ALWAYS gives an advantage. So if someone has both XY and naturally high testosterone, then she is not allowed to compete against women. AGAIN : Life isn't fair.
Uhmmmm, if you have 46 XY, it means you are male not female. Yes you have outside female genitalia but you also have testicle and you don't have the internal genitalia of a woman. Whether you are misidentified as a woman or not because you have appearance of a woman does not matter. Same goes if you have 45 XX, it means you are not male, you may have the outside genitalia of a male but you will have a uterus and you won't have testicle. Point is, physical body maybe altered, hormone level may be raised or lowered but your chromosome will always either be XX ort XY you CAN'T change it, not with the current medical technology anyway.
She is behaving as if men are criticising her forgetting that it was other female boxers who are accusing imane khelif of cheating. It's not men but other women. Men have no problem if you want to include them in women category.
No if he was born male there's no way around it. But you can look like a female but biologically you are a male. Let's get rid of gender confusion by accepting who they are and we can understand them and will accept them who ever they want to be. Deception is not a good thing is like lying so someone you care about. If you care about someone it's better to confess who you really are. None of this I'm this I'm that bullshit just say I use to be this but now I'm this is not that freaking hard.
Don't worry mam wait and watch next three olympics specially women categories.. 90% medal will be won by trans woman and 10% medal will go sis woman like u.. it's not a fear mongering.. also find trans women cool, also least intrested in other gender debates, cuz m a male.. trans women it is not related to my gender .. but we can wait for 12 years n come back for debate..
@@patrickwontor2061 OK So if they are 'XY', that means he is a man.....and he now has to be arrested, for physically assaulting women..The Olympic officials also need to be arrested and jailed
Women's sport exists because the differences between the male and female sexes lead to distinctly different physical performance capacity. Therefore, to qualify for the female competition category, you actually have to be female. It doesn't matter what the athlete looks like, what color their skin, what ethnicity or religion they are - what matters is: are you xy or xx? Having xy chromosomes as well as male level testosterone cannot occur in a female. It means either straight up male, or male-DSD. Either way, that combination disqualifies from the female category. Ideology over reality doesn't work in sport.
Great pal, I'm sure considering you gave men the humanizing term of just that, and said female, we can expect to see you at the county fair with ewes, mares, sows, and cows being the best man winning out against all females in the trough.
But it's only for a short time until reality hits these politically correct, woke people holding such influential positions. I won't be surprised if the next Olympics rectifies this.
The reverse needs to be true, she’s been a girl since her childhood photos, she’s been competing as a woman her entire life, the only claim of anything else was from the IBA - a now discredited Russian group, and they didn’t release any tests. They passed all Olympic tests since they’ve been competing in their adult lives. If there’s a claim that she’s male, YOU ALL need to provide evidence of this or evidence that she has XY chromosomes, the IBA itself never released any.
@@Swordsonian It's true the IBA made a very weird, dubious decision to declare the test not only confidential, but even the _procedure_ ... which puts the IBA just so far from science. But the IOC are _hardly any better_ in their responses, procedures and standards/criteria
@@intuitiveturtle ok but maybe it's time to test chromosomes like we test for drugs, the Y chromosome in female sports and as powerful as steroids. Remember I said it first when the IOC decides fair sports is worth it. I'm not saying Imane is a man or woman without a through test. All female athletes should be tested. Then the argument will die
Why don't you debate Dr Emma Hilton? Who has said both are male ! Please stop calling people racist who care about women's sport! It has nothing to do with race
Hey @NewsMinutes ...... You baselessly accusing Rowling and Musk as homophobic . explore their point of view and then comment . I will never watch your channel again
IBA: These two athletes may have unfair advantage over other female boxers. IOC: No, they don't have an advantage, they're just like the other female boxers. The two female athletes: *win all matches against other female boxers and win GOLD* IBA: So...? IOC: 😮
I mainly blame the IOC but also Imane Khelfi and her team for all the discussions we are facing worldwide about her gender. She was disqualified by the IBA in 2023 in New Delhi and claims that the tests of the IBA (whatever tests they were) were not just. While the IBA was disqualified because of corruption, Imane Khelif was granted to fight in the Olympics in Paris 2024 as a woman won gold yesterday. Even after the discussions about her gender escalated after the fight against the Italian fighter Angela Carini, noone stepped forward to do another genetic and a testosterone test on Imane Kheli either to confirm that she is a XY-Chromosome woman or to prove that she is not. Instead the birth certificate, issued in 2018 and her passport which both state that she is a women are presendet over and over again. These actions and the lack of openness lead to the belive that those parties involved have something to hide otherwise they would have stopped all the speculations with the result of another test. This would have nothing to do with racism but with fairness in sports and with equal requirements.
I get your point but keep in mind that Khelif had 3 olympics bouts in one week. She would have been busy preparing. I do not know much about chromosome testing. I hear there is a quick test of sorts and a more reliable blood test. The blood test aparently takes time to analyse. Khelif considers herself a woman, she does not need to proove anything to you or respect your feelings. She is not rewarded well for this medal, she is likely broke. And she is not the authority on qualification to the olympics. No, it is the IOC that needs to show leadership and set things straight. And more importantly, avoid politicization of sports. It is fair to demand that they come up with qualification rules and explain them in a manner satisfactory to most boxing fans (let's not care about the non-fans who are just here to vent their hate).
@Camp-h9g Khelif did not drop the appeal. She was asked to pay legal costs. When she did not pay, it was dropped on her. It is the IOC who is responsible to qualification to the olympics, not the banned IBA.
if they were unjust then HE could have contested it. HE choose not to. HE also could have appealed the disqualification. HE choose not to. HE failed multiple DNA tests, including the one last month..........all the blame falls on IOC for allowing a MAN to punch woman in the face!
@@fomobull4187 what someone considers themselves does not matter to anyone but themselves....The only thing that matters is what you actually are.....Woman do not have Y chromosomes....Men do not belong in any woman's competitions or division....Men should never punch woman in the face!!!
This is very ideological reporting. More focus on how people "think", "race" etc etc. Please focus on biology of the man. He has under-developed testes that produce testesterone. It has nothing to do with how she was brought up or what she was assigned at birth. He surely has micropenis and would not ovulate. It is highly likely that he would be attracted towards female as is the case with Dutee Chand. This is the same case of Castor Semeya. Narrow Hips, Big shoulder, lean waist, more bone density. It does not get more clear than that.
Let's talk about race. I want to know which color were the women that he punched harder. I get the tickling feeling that the darker the woman's skin was, the harder he punched.
You think biology and build of your body, race is in related? Humans are having 21k genes... Much more chromosomes than X and Y. Basi rightwingers biology is well... Not much Also honey.... You saw Khelif naked that you know what she has? Youre her stalker or somenthing?
it's not proven she's XY. the claim was made indirectly by the IBA, which is run by a Russian oligarch close to Putin, (and the IOC has disbarred IBA because of its corruption) after Khalef had just beaten a previously undefeated Russian boxer. They claimed her testosterone was high, and was "similar" to someone with XY. they never tested for chromosomes. Also, Khalef has been defeated before by other women, all of whom are cisgender.
I remember when Australians were unable to handle Harbhajan's spinners (Doosra) they started labeling it as suspicions. And it happened with Muralidharan too. Now another white Karen blames the problem with a brown person. It easy to realize where the problem is.
Well avarage boy and avarege woman. The boys are usually better and stronger at 15-16. I do remember well we played a game against the female handball team. We where boys at 15-16. They lost. With maybe 10-15 goals or so.
A few questions. If " competitive advantage" was a thing I don't think Phelps should have been allowed to compete ever. Also are all the women who beat these two now men?
@Camp-h9g Oh so you are saying that normal people can beat records made by people who have clear physical competitive edges? like a 12 lit lung capacity ( avg human has 6) , wider wingspan than legs, recorded less production of lactic acid than other athletes and finally double jointed elbows. hmmmmm. Interesting.
@Camp-h9g Also I guess all the women who have defeated Khelif are all men or from Amazon ( cite Wonder Woman comics). And of course since IBA is such a well respected authority with corruption scandals against them, we should definitely listen to them. But exactly which scientific test did they carry out to determine the xy chromosomes? where is the data? share with us so we may all see it too!
vous êtes des ignorants total car il est prouvé que c'est une femme elle est né fille et de plus l'Algérie n'est pas un pays ou il existe des transformers: comme les pays occidentaux ou ils sont légions donc game is over comme vous dite dans votre langue anglaise de l'angleterre
He is the same weight as the Chinese woman opponent at the gold fight but you can see how much bigger he is in the upper body. Men and Women's fat distribution are different with men's on top and women's at the bottom
This should be banned why doesn't "she" just box in the male vs male boxing circut this is extremely embarrassing and just down right confusing and weak sorry
How could this person look at there reflection in the mirror? Where does this person find the strength and courage to call themselves a boxer/fighter this was super weak and disgraceful the only sports I pay attention to is soccer and boxing if this is what we are coming to this may be the end people please stop being weak
I don't see everything in this sport the big mouth the super slickster and the dynamite puncher but this is some crazy shit I don't want to see this person in the squared circle again
3:51 You said some women can have xy chromosomes and you promised to explain that later in the video, though you never did. Also you are incorrect because an xy chromosome human has male characteristics and there is no getting around that, even in cases of DSD, which the Algerian boxer likely has. This makes the competition in women's boxing unfair and dangerous.
Girls with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do). Despite having the XY chromosomal makeup, girls with Swyer syndrome look female and have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes
@Camp-h9g You should be asking yourself this question! You're the one completely sold out to the false narrative manufactured by the racist West and 'entitled' white drama queens playing 'victim' coz they can't swallow defeat at the hands of non-white ppl 🙄
The thing this doctor is omitting - Khelif had a MASSIVE advantage over these other women and in the last several years has taken extreme amounts of testosterone supplements.
Thank you for your work and in-depth analysis. It‘s so sad how female Athletes especially poc are treated when they get sucessful in their Sports. I‘m so Shocked about this discussion which is Not only deeply rassist but finally also misogynistic… 😢
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I think not mentioning how easy it is to prove you're a female boxer makes this entire episode worthless. Intersex athletes can compete with the males and leave female sports alone.
Just now, the other biologically male Lin Yu Ting from Taiwan pummeled Julia Szeremeta, left her bleeding from her nose and lifted Olympic gold. Ofcourse she is woman enough, Dhanya Rajendran. Keep up the propaganda, down with rationality.
Both Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting have clinched gold. They won all their bouts 5-0 and were the only ones to do so in their respective categories. So much for IOC and their 'assumption of no advantage'.
Think you might need to consult a specialist before you discuss this issue, there are multiple out there. Develop,mental; biologist, endocrinologists will explain. Indian testing lab did the tests, what is your issue with that lab. Caster Semenya has fathered children (biological) testosterone advantage at puberty dev elopement. Get a developmental endocrinology.
Why are you telling these lies, are you paid to do this. Your information is disingenuousl your just trying to push this BS woke culture gender affirmation agenda .Who wants to subscribe to a channel that fails to tell the hole story. When both athletes failed the test they were give a chance to appeal. Only one of them went forth with the appeal, only to weeks later withdraw the appeal. The IBA stated due to confidentiality they could not release the actual test results but confirmed the test revealed they were not eligible to compete in womans boxing. You dont have to be a genius to understand what that ment. And the only proof the IOC needs is that you can provide a birth certificate that says on it your a female, they did no actual test. So stop this bs your channel should be taken down, its disturbing that you would continue to paddle this lie...who wants to subscribe to a propaganda fake narrative pushing channel. Truely disgraceful
Nope it’s about internal testes and a DSD. It is about male puberty
Testes descend in this type of DSD at around age 12, they actually turn into normal males.
you speak as if you were the assistant who was with the doctor the day she received the diagnosis, seriously a little humility and admitted that you know nothing and you have no elements for your theories.
@@Popthekettleonlove share the test you are basing your conclusion on about that specific person.
It's so funny to see random people in a comment section who can't even use proper punctuation act like they're PhD students who have done years of scientific research on the subject.
No such as ‘male puberty’ if you’re a female. And if you’e born without a penis and testicles, then you’re a female and have a female puberty, however atypical it may be. Throughout all of human history, people born without a penis are females, not males. Males have a penis. Did you not learn that growing up?
There's a good reason why sports/atheletics events are held seperately for males and females. Only biological females should compete with biological females and same should apply to males too. Genetic make up is what decides our gender. It's not their fault that they are genetic males and had a body that is in between mae and females. By puberty testosterone levels shoot up that give them advantage when they compete against women. It is not the question of gender politics but it is a biological truth.
Good point!
Just to say not only have my rights to FREE SPEECH been infringed by U Tube but perhaps this will be deleted.
Good thing that SHE IS a biological woman able to give birth then !
Khelif is a biological female. So I guess there is nothing to see here?
She has lost to women more than she has won though? How do you explain that? She previously had a record of 9 losses and 5 wins. Against women.
She doesn’t even look “manly” she has different ethnic features that people are attributing to being manly. Not only that, but a lot of female fighters look “manly”. Look at some of the women who fight in the UFC.
Why are the IBA keeping the tests they conducted confidential? What a strange way to further create confusion.
They didn't. They gave them to the medical team at the IOC.
@9395gb Thank you.
@osmaelias Of course. I know people are lying in order to support Imane. But the truth is the IBA tested Imane and found out Imane was a biological man. The IBA provided the results of that test to the medical team for the IOC. The IOC agreed that they received the letter and the results of that test.
The issue is that the IOC doesn't agree with the IBAs decision. But the IOC acknowledges that they received the IBAs letter and the genetic test results for Khelif and Yu-Ting.
Because they are a reputable organization and value athletes privacy
@@aajohnsoutube Reputable indeed. "The International Olympic Committee (IOC) suspended the organization in 2019 due to governance and finance issues.
In June 2023, the IOC voted to formally strip the IBA of its status as its international federation for boxing, due to a lack of sufficient progress on addressing governance, finance, and corruption concerns since the original suspension; the IBA became the first international federation to ever be expelled from the Olympic movement."
Both Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting have clinched gold. They won all their bouts 5-0 and were the only ones to do so in their respective categories. So much for IOC and their 'assumption of no advantage'.
How convenient that you purposely ignore the fact both of them had lost matches before.
@@marcusv6134if there was no advantage they should not win any competition. That’s how we look at it.
@@marcusv6134If you were gonna cheat, winning every match is not the smart way to go about it.
@@johnnysupreme5718 i GUESS she start cheating the second she was born
@@jacobchou994 He won the one that matters.
I totally respect independent media like TNM in India as they always give a different perspective than the mainstream media does when it pertains to Indian issues, however when it comes to international issues they just seem to regurgitate what NYT, WP and Reuters etc put out.
Post actual dna test results of boxers. Safety of competing women is paramont!! Not the feelings of misdiagnosed men.
You didn't listen to the video did you?
I did. The examples of other athletes she gave include Caster Semenya who is an intersex male athlete who fathered 2 biolgical children via artificial insemination. A person with xy chromosomes internal testes that produce sperm... another example she gave is Serena Williams, who is a woman with masculine features that birthed a baby... these 2 are not the same
@@ioanah.2901are you a bot? Why are you responding as if you were the OP?
Yeah she competed before you losers just didn’t notice till now
The world is just getting crazier and craxier!!!
No matter what you say, the truth remains.
A micro-truth…
And Lucifer cringes at truth, and so his mason worshippers. Real that journos outside mason fagwest alineate themselves on agenda items so important for them. Don't want to clash or really so corrupt? What I know is journo is obeying director, a j*w in the west. And director copy AP or Reuters, both Rothsch--d owned, briefs
Your truth??🤔
Or your ignorance ?
@@aurorag.7846Truth can't be dispelled by what you say, but ignorance can.
The medical result just came, he's a man
Olympics losing all credibility sadly. I have two young daughters, XX, and wonder what their world of sports is going to look like in the coming years?
You got them tested?
probably not good as u r their parent
Why because he is concerned about his daughter’s safety? Because it is offensive to say a woman is a woman and a man is man? Those of you not recognizing the inequalities between biological men and biological women are the problem not vice versa. If Kheleif is a woman then do the tests to prove it and stop all the people from guessing. If I had to prove it
I would in a heartbeat. to stop it all. If they have nothing to hide why are they hiding it. I am proud to be a woman. If she is proud then prove it.
The xxy rumour was never confirmed ffs... was a RUMOUR. There are no transgenders in Algeria
@@JJ-hp6mb standard over here.
1. No evidence of XY chromosomes or transgender-only “verbal claims” by IBA
The IBA organization held a press conference but failed to produce the report.
2. Only one verbal claim (by IBA) without formal report, but all other normal tests were ignored:
Lin & Khelif have undergone testing in world-class competitions for so many years, but only the IBA in 2023 ‘claimed’ there was an issue and refused to disclose the test items, while previous and subsequent normal test reports by other fair associations have been ignored
3. The whole thing is a political attack and fake news
The IBA is backed by Russian forces, so they’re targeting a Taiwanese athlete disliked by China and Khelif, who once defeated a Russian athlete. Most national boxing associations have already withdrawn from IBA, so they are now trying to get revenge on the IOC.
Why checkmate yourself with the assumption that the test claims were just falsified? It's obvious no one is contesting the claims as false or fabricated. The argument is over whether Y chromosomes categorize a person as a male or not. IBA says yes, IOC says no.
The IBA said Khelif failed the chromosome test twice. They sent the results to the IOC, who don't mention the chromosome results at all, but talk about birth certificates and passports. The IOC first said this was NOT a DSD (disorder of sexual development) issue then they RETRACTED it! This means that Khelif has xy chromosomes and was raised as a female due to DSD! Don't be fooled.
Maybe it’s all a conspiracy or maybe the person who looks like a man and talks like a man who refuses to say he’s a biological woman is a man.
I must also add those samples the IBA allegedly took from the athletes passed through other third parties before they ever reached a lab. Possible Tampering or sample swapping could've occurred.
This has aged poorly😂
It's interesting to notice that the presenter of the video does tell about the IBA refusal of revealing their test-results while "forgetting" to tell that both athletes did NOT appeal their disqualification of the IBA's WORLD boxing championship in 2023 (not "an event" like slyly told by this presenter).
It's also interesting to notice that the IOC accepted one athlete merely because the passport (issued a few years ago) states that the athlete is a "woman", a fact NOT mentioned by this presenter.
"Racial discrimination"? When done by Indian men against Indian women, is it also racism? Or is it suddenly something else, maybe "cultural"? It's interesting how the presenter mentioned black and Indian women but "suddenly" forgetting the Spaniard athlete, a "whitie"...
And XY = male and XX = female. As simple as that and nothing "complex" to invent afterwards.
Your skull sounds like it's really thick
You probably failed biology in school.....
That's why you can't understand anything complex.....go back to social studies class
If there's something Algerian people despite the most it's definitely INJUSTICE this is why they have her back. Imene definitely has nothing to fear nor to loose as long as she has her people! They picked the wrong fight with the wrong person with the wrong people, little do the haters know that Algerians have an exospheric national integrity and pride.
The IOC'S unfair policy affect Algerian women competitors too! They are denigrating women's sports!
@@agentagent2241 Imene Khelif is a fully mature WOMANE, to think that a country like Algeria would let a transgender room around freely let alone represent the country at the olympics just shows ignorant and Dumb you guys are. Imene Khelif is a victime of the reckoning between IBA and the IOC, since the IOC which is THE biggest sports organisation in the world has made it clear that IBA A RUSSIAN OWNED boxing organisation has nothing to do with boxing around the world anymore and was banned from having any say in these olympics, they (IBA) decided to try discredit the IOC by creating this contrevercy and spreading XY chromosone fake news tests WHICH NEVER HAPPENED and which IBA never showed nor wanted to show the results to the press or the public. I'm not even surprised your politicians piss on you, i mean look at you Americans you're just a big herd of sheeps folowing whatever your biased media throws down your throats. I thought Americans being dumb was just a stereotype but it turned out to be a FACT.
Oh shut up you supporter of cheats.
Woman genetical test show XX, Man is XY- nothing more needed !!!
Your willful ignorance is worthy of a gold medal 🏅
@@themange59 Why is that ignorance? It is very fair to take XX and XY as a base or valid starting point.
@@eigentlichtoll02 it doesn't take into account rare genetic conditions eg Swyer syndrome
@@youthvaccine3043 it would be just easier to exclude any special genetic settings. And create a new division for the rest maybe?
Exactly
Please enlighten me ,with the science. . does this person who has XY chromosome get monthly periods? Has this person ever menstruated...? .
As biological women we all know the weakness women feel during the monthly phase .
It doesnt matter what chromosomes anyone might have Its how they feel about it....If I feel that I am a walrus, that means that I am in fact a walrus
Well who told you she has XY chromosomes, forst of all there is not test conducted to determine someones gender genetics so that is a lie and u just keep spreading it
Xy chromosomes mean no periods, no possibility to carry a baby. This is the male genotype. At birth the baby might have looked female outwardly due to developmental disorder, hence the female birth certificate. This is not the athlete's fault, but the debate is about fairness and safety in women's sports.
@@jimlewis2395if they feel they are dogs, they will fight against dogs next?
@@instyleworld3208 Yes....Liberals are already dogs, so it fits right in
I remember when Australians were unable to handle Harbhajan's spinners (Doosra) they started labeling it as suspicions. And it happened with Muralidharan too. Now another white Karen blames the problem with a brown person. It easy to realize where the problem is.
Khelif doesn’t even rely on her power. She’s a really good boxer.
@Camp-h9g Sure, pathetic hater...
@Camp-h9gahhh a tard with a 2 day old account, little prick 🤏🏽clown can’t handle a girl playing sports. Pathetic
The power difference, if Khelif is male, is 162%. You think a clean head punch from that isn't an advantage?
@@Celtic_Thylacine yeah that’s a big if what are the 9 chicks that beat her super human 😂 that Irish chick must be Brock lesnar daughter big huh?
@Camp-h9g first of all let ask u this. in your world is boy born with a vagina?? or a dick?
they dont have a dick when they were born tell me what that should be?
you can go do ur research and will see tons of source saying even with a xy chrome u can still get vagina which in hospital that's the way of distinguished if the baby is boy or girl by their biological characteristics.
don't be ignorant and racists.
If you have male chromosomes (xy), you definitely have a big advantage over women in boxing. Even if you have a complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS). No women with xy chromosomes, only with xx.
he doesn't have it, his trainer said that when he reduced his testosterone, he started losing weight. So it's clear that testosterone has an effect on him.
In this video, you are literally blaming the victim after she was beaten by a man. You need to apologise.
Why does Imane Khalif wear a men protection shell while training? What is she protecting?
"She"...
@RizwanHuda-fk5uq Is that supposed to be sarcasm? Try again buddy?
@RizwanHuda-fk5uq you mean photo bomb. you could ask imane a question like " do you have a period ? ". if he says " I dont have a period in my life time ".
@RizwanHuda-fk5uq True. Wearing pink is always proof of femaleness ROFL. What a tw a t.
Attacks? All of those claims were legitimate assumptions for a grown adult knowingly competing with Y chromosomes.
She is a female .. so please
@@Sa-so5ew wouldn't it be great if everything that requires metrics and standards could just take your personal word for it
@@Magneticitistand who’s word are you taking? There is no evidence she even has xy chromosomes.
@@LazyFemme blah blah blah obviously there is though
@@Magneticitist lol according to what? Your feelings?
Though khelif was born female with DSD, she isn't biologically the same as any other woman and she is winning over every woman athlete and my question is, how is it fair for other women? And then comes an extra 150 grams that disqualified our champ! Just the hypocrisy or loopholes misused in Olympics.
it's a complete scam, IOC doesn't care about the integrity of sports anymore
Clown world 🤡
No two females are biologically same. Then only clones should fight each other. Your perspective of fairness is very narrow which doesn't fit the world of sports.
According to you Michael Phelps shouldn't be allowed to compete because he has an unfair biological advantage over average males, not to mention the cutting edge technology he used in some Olympics.
@Camp-h9ghhhh internet gynécologie
100 percent agree
This is a damn Man for God's sake.
She was barred from boxing as a child BECAUSE SHE WAS A GIRL, SHES A WOMAN EMPOWERMENT SUCCESS STORY!! This is actually such a joke, bafoons, all of you lot
"2011 the IAAF established official rules restricting female athletes with elevated levels of testosterone, arguing it presents an unfair advantage. From 2011 to 2019 Semenya was locked in a cycle of appeals and court cases until the Court of Arbitration for Sport ruled in favour of IAAF regulations stating that female athletes with differences of sexual development (DSD) are required to take testosterone-reducing medication to compete in track events from 400m to the mile."
Dhanya- Let me tell you this first. I admire your journalistic courage and am a fan for at least a few years now.
But your video about Imane Khaleif (and Lin Yu-ting) I cannot agree with at all.
Whether the IBA's gender eligibility tests last year found XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone or not, these two (and any others like them) should not have been categorised as women and pitted against women in the competitions.
The argument that the Passports categorise them as women does not hold any water. The argument that they were born, raised, and competed as women also does not fly. There are instances when doctors assign the gender (sometimes at the parents requests even) when they cannot categorically declare the baby as female or male.
If they are among the few that have this so called DSD, even if they have been allocated the gender-female even if they have XY(where the Y chromosome is not fully formed,) they should not be pitted against the women who have XX.
I fully support the women who are protesting against their inclusion because even with an incomplete Y chromosome, they have a higher edge and power as against other women who are competing. This is not right. They should be pitted against the other males or should be pitted against other people who are like them. What is the use of such a win when won like this? Women have been robbed with their inclusion.
You are tying to muddy this up with your question of why such questions arise only of woman atheletes. Do I like people raising this question just to heckle them? I agree, but Imane Khaleif does not look like a woman even 1%. So, yes this question should be asked and it is pertinent. If it is not asked and such things are allowed, we will not have a women's competition at all in future.
I don't support the bullying, but their claim that they have been assigned female from birth, brought up as female, competed as female is just BS.
I don't agree with them being bullied because of their gender choice, but just because they consider them as women mentally does not give them any right to compete in sports. Plain and simple.
Kaleif trains wearing a Groin Protector.
Well said !!!
A lot of text, a lot of repetition, a lot of opinion, (+ a little nonsense) but otherwise there is hardly any information that contains evidence directly applicable to the case. (because there is not enough facts published til now) The only and decisive argument that I can fully agree with you on is that women should not box against men because they are physically superior, so it would be unfair and the result foreseeable.
And that's exactly where you should have realized, if you were looking at it fairly, that SHE has already lost 9 professional fights against indisputable women! One of the 9 winners even publicly defended Imane. Also, until this fight, there were obviously never any complaints, nor did any opponent leave the ring crying beforehand.
How does that fit in with everything you're saying here? Why shouldn't she be allowed to take part?
When it is obvious that even IF she has an advantage, it cannot (evidently) be considered overpowering, unfair or disqualifying because it does not go beyond the scope of fair competition. She fights at the usual level for women, otherwise the 9 defeats would not exist.
And that's the ONLY thing that matters in sport, not whether you think she doesn't look 1% like a woman. Which, by the way, I really think is a pretty presumptuous comment and can hardly be understood objectively, if not as pretty mean. (especially when you see the pictures from the interview)
Thanks for the video!!
Carini...is in wrong sport...she is in boxing...why complaining about punches...😅😅😅
Congratulations to Imane ...
Simply bullying a person while you fail is 😂😂😂
Imane lost previous matches why No one pointing this
Then why are they against taking a gender test?
IOC prioritizes political correct ness at the expense of safety and fairness in women's sports, that's why they refuse to test for chromosomes att the 2024 Olympics.
There is some truth to the fact that the more muscular and lean we women become our hormones are affected and that can be why elevated testosterone is a probability. In truth studies on women's biology leans heavily towards reproductive health and research on its complexities and differences are not pursued.
@Camp-h9gAmen.
thank you for this report, I hope people understand. It looks like hate is dominating over common sense and humanity.
Stuff like this will lock half of humanity out of competitive athletics entirely.
@@johnnysupreme5718 anyone can express their opinion and what they stand for in a civil way, no excuse for baseless harassment and bullying. If someone has a problem with the Olympics eligibility qualification, they should deal with the Olympics directly.
@@WardMB Nah we're starting to get beyond the point where being civil is okay.
This is an insult to everyone involved. It makes the Olympics look like a joke, it devalues the medals that the actual women won, it locked actual women who actually trained to be there out of the competition, it sets a toxic standard for female athletics everywhere that allowing what is most likely a male to compete is acceptable, and it insults the intelligence of the average viewer that they just randomly aren't testing this person with serious allegations of cheating or publicly announcing the results.
If someone's feelings are hurt by the sentiments being expressed, good; because this is disgusting and needs to not happen again.
@@johnnysupreme5718 I would agree with you, if not for one small detail: she is not a man. She did not cheat, she was born a woman. Nothing justifies harassment and bullying and this is why there is lawsuit and legal investigation open against the people who sparkled this hate frenzy. If you have proof that she is male please enlighten us and share it with the rest of the world. I invite you to watch her Olympic matches so you can see that her winning is a result of pure talent and mastery of technique.
@@WardMB If someone in the Olympics was widely accused of doping and they refused to test them or release their test results they would be universally condemned and deemed a cheater.
I would pay a lot, A LOT, to watch her (Imane Khelif) meet the cowards Elon Musk and J.K. Rowling in the ring
Well researched Dhanya. I fully endorse you. The Russian Umar Kremlev is a corrupt person and everyone in the boxing fraternity knows this. He cried hoarse only after the Russian boxer lost. Imane has already undergone the traditional female test that is used for testing whether a person is a female or male. Moreover, the IBA should have made the result public and not hide behind privacy laws.
it's not the IBA which is hiding, Khelif has the right to publish the test results any time - how can you not see this? If the IBA published the test results they'd get destroyed by any court
@@andreasfroehli You forget the legality. The onus is on IBA to publish the results because they are the accuser. Khelif will respond to them in Court, maybe even sue IBA and make them bankrupt. We are still debating what distinguishes a man from a woman and a transgender. There is no unanimous scientific view on this. While some scientists view presence of XXY chromosomes despite female genitalia (vagina and uterus) test as female others consider them as transgender but never a male.
Umar Lutfulloyev aka Umar Kremlev has started this debate by banning Khelif only when she defeated the Russian boxer Azalla Amineva. He should have banned her before she lost but his company TsUPIS, in which even Vladimir Putin has stakes would have lost heavily in betting. TsUPIS is a monopolistic sports booking company in Russia and Umar was given the monopoly by Putin himself. He is also the ultimate beneficial owner of Fonbet, Pari, Liga Stavok. Learn about Proekt's investigations. If there hadn't been Covid, he would never have been the President of IBA, which he won in virtual voting. Do you think IOC doesn't know this. In fact, Umar is one of the 10 biggest bookmaker in the world.
So, the intentions of Kremlev was not honest. The Russian boxer's only hindrance was Khelif, which Kremlev removed, so that she can win gold.
Khelif's gold in Paris is a smack on his face.
He is mixing white feminine supremacy with gender issues to make profits. The IOC has seen through this now.
The lab used by the IBA, the one that identified these two boxers as having XY Chromosomes, is the same one used by the IOC for Olympic dope testing. The lab is obviously reliable. The male DSD which leads to external ambiguous genitalia and can lead to babies being falsely 'identified' as females at birth in some parts of the world, is known as 5-ARD, just like Caster Semenya. Both the boxers were given the opportunity to appeal against their disqualification by the IBA and both refused (for obvious reasons). More reliable, science-based information is available elsewhere on the internet. Don't be fooled by the gaslighting in this video.
No they have xy chromosomes, so it’s based
They could easily re-do the tests with a cheek swab if they don’t trust the iba
Can you proove that ??
No, swab tests are only for healthy people to see whether they have covid :)
Ok! So, if they do have XY chromosomes at levels higher than an average women, does that make them male?
So according to you only clones should compete against eachother because in most cases winners have some kind of advantage that help them play better. Underdogs very rarely pull off upsets.
Exactly, there is an easy way to end the debate and it isn't happening because the athletes know they are XY.
@@laurav9661it wouldn't prove anything if they did. Some women have xx some have xy.
I came across a post discussing Iman Khalif, and I wanted to share my thoughts on it. It’s important to understand that just because Iman has higher levels of testosterone, it doesn’t make her a man. This is simply a natural condition she was born with and has no control over. Imagine if you were born with this and faced bullying because of it-how would you feel? I’m addressing those who claim to support feminism but still expect women to fit certain beauty standards. Where is your support now? To those who continue to say the Algerian boxer is a man, you’re being unfair. I hope you can empathize and understand her situation by putting yourself in her shoes.
All other woman are not allowed to compete if their thestosterone level is measured to high. Why is she allowed if she is a woman like the others?
Ok so let me put an counter argument hope you share your thoughts on it.
So she has an condition where her Y chromosome are mutated which result in some female organs.
She was raised as a female.
She has failed gender test which are there to ensure fair fights.
Last year she was disqualified due to her high level of testosterone so she used some medication to bring the testosterone level down.
But the benefits of the testosterone remains.
This is why people are saying it's unfair.
And think about it this way, this type of condition is rare but do you think that only 10 or 100 people are born with this condition.
The world population is huge if this is allowed than every country will start to use athletes like her.
Will that be fair for a women than??
She’s not a man but it does seem like she went through male puberty so her naturally high testosterone is likely the result of male reproductive parts (though not a penis).
Her situation resembles that of Caster Semenya who was barred by World Athletics (the governing body of track and field for the Olympics) unless she suppressed her testosterone into the female range. She refused so she could not compete in Olympics.
@@mohitchauhan3255Imane suppressed her testosterone?
@@patrickwontor2061 yes she used medication to bring her testosterone level down after last year it seems
If this is true, as you say, then women's sports requiring physical strength and speed should be thrown out of the Olympics. Or else, we should accept passports and personal identification.
"Trust my passport, not the science"
We should not trust passports etc. It is fair to invest about the actual biological conditions of all athletes.
Gender testing for all athletes
@@tungstenanderson5991 so in ur science a baby with a virgina should be a boy right?
Khelif has xy chromosomes. Women have xx chromosomes. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
Finally one news channel who got the whole story right without mixing it with misinformation. Good job India, I am impressed!
😅😅😅😅😅 are you stoned
Excellent work @TeamTNM & @Dhanyarajendran
@Camp-h9g can u explain yourself ?
Please listen carefully to what she explained.
We love you imane khelif ❤️🇩🇿, you are an inspiration to all the algerian women, you are an example of resilience courage and hard work despite the bulling,racism and western ignorance, we love you imane and are proud of you❤️🇩🇿💪.
Politically I was raised and identify as a flat earther, and no scientific evidence or information will change my mind.
walk straight till u fall off the flat world
رايك لا يهمنا
Those who repeated the unfounded rumours like parrots must apologize to the boxer and to the women.
@Camp-h9g I remember when Australians were unable to handle Harbhajan's spinners (Doosra) they started labeling it as suspicions. And it happened with Muralidharan too. Now another white Karen blames the problem with a brown person. It easy to realize where the problem is.
@Camp-h9g she is not. Her father showed photos and papers. Her ID says she's a woman. Why fake all this just to play in olympics? Use your basic thinking. It's stupid to accuse her of being a male.
woman do not have Y chromosomes.
HE needs to apologize to the women who's careers were RUINED because HE was a cheater
@@mehdimehdi5019 if it’s rumourthanput it to rest with another genetic test, solved.
This is a man
The Italian thought she could cry her way to a gold medal. She’s mediocre and was simply not good enough for the Olympics and she knew it! Anyone who saw that fight knows that it wasn’t some bloodbath like the media made out to be. It was a NORMAL match. Instead of persevering and doing her best in the ring, the Italian threw a tantrum and used her white tears to insinuate to the world that Khelif was something else. She should be ASHAMED of herself for the way she treated Khelif and for portraying herself as some victim. No girl, you are simply not good enough. Khelif trained harder, worked harder and wanted it more.
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Yep. 2 women boxer that won againts Khelif called out that cry baby! Even Ms. Susan snide if she should goes through gender test too just because she won againts khelif. 9 women won againts khelif, 14 women won againts Lin!
Life isn't fair, my dear. I agree : no one should be forced to take medication to lower testosterone. But no matter how people try to spin this testosterone, ALWAYS gives an advantage. So if someone has both XY and naturally high testosterone, then she is not allowed to compete against women.
AGAIN : Life isn't fair.
Uhmmmm, if you have 46 XY, it means you are male not female. Yes you have outside female genitalia but you also have testicle and you don't have the internal genitalia of a woman. Whether you are misidentified as a woman or not because you have appearance of a woman does not matter. Same goes if you have 45 XX, it means you are not male, you may have the outside genitalia of a male but you will have a uterus and you won't have testicle. Point is, physical body maybe altered, hormone level may be raised or lowered but your chromosome will always either be XX ort XY you CAN'T change it, not with the current medical technology anyway.
She is behaving as if men are criticising her forgetting that it was other female boxers who are accusing imane khelif of cheating.
It's not men but other women.
Men have no problem if you want to include them in women category.
This is probably one of the most detailed, fair, and truth-telling content videos on the internet refering to the issue. 👍
No if he was born male there's no way around it. But you can look like a female but biologically you are a male. Let's get rid of gender confusion by accepting who they are and we can understand them and will accept them who ever they want to be. Deception is not a good thing is like lying so someone you care about. If you care about someone it's better to confess who you really are. None of this I'm this I'm that bullshit just say I use to be this but now I'm this is not that freaking hard.
Chromosomes matter. If Khalif has xy chromosomes, he is Male, if not then she is a woman.
They were trans, now their intersex.
Even females have some levels of XY chromosomes. 🤦🏻♂️
@@Remake5182 intersex is mainly X or XXY
@@mroselli Incorrect. There are many XY intersex conditions. Those result from a Y chromosome mutation.
Oh you sweet summer child
Don't worry mam wait and watch next three olympics specially women categories.. 90% medal will be won by trans woman and 10% medal will go sis woman like u.. it's not a fear mongering.. also find trans women cool, also least intrested in other gender debates, cuz m a male.. trans women it is not related to my gender .. but we can wait for 12 years n come back for debate..
Everyone needs to do their own research before commenting. Everything including the tests are now in the public domain
all the tests and emails are on the IBA website. They are being very transparent!!!
Oh yeah?? OK, great and what are the results of the tests??? 'XX' or 'XY' ???? Enlighten us please
@@jimlewis2395 they’re XY
@@patrickwontor2061 OK So if they are 'XY', that means he is a man.....and he now has to be arrested, for physically assaulting women..The Olympic officials also need to be arrested and jailed
@@patrickwontor2061 The Nazis deleted my reply. For no valid reason whatsoever
It's not transphobic to recognise that XY chromosomes denotes male.
Women's sport exists because the differences between the male and female sexes lead to distinctly different physical performance capacity. Therefore, to qualify for the female competition category, you actually have to be female. It doesn't matter what the athlete looks like, what color their skin, what ethnicity or religion they are - what matters is: are you xy or xx? Having xy chromosomes as well as male level testosterone cannot occur in a female. It means either straight up male, or male-DSD. Either way, that combination disqualifies from the female category. Ideology over reality doesn't work in sport.
This is excellent news. I am in favor of men taking the winning titles in ALL female sports
Great pal, I'm sure considering you gave men the humanizing term of just that, and said female, we can expect to see you at the county fair with ewes, mares, sows, and cows being the best man winning out against all females in the trough.
@@tungstenanderson5991 What on earth are you smoking over there Son-Dawgs ???
@@jimlewis2395 Would you like some kneepads for your comments?
@@tungstenanderson5991 Yes, we can get them from your mom
But it's only for a short time until reality hits these politically correct, woke people holding such influential positions. I won't be surprised if the next Olympics rectifies this.
I came here for the comments, had to mute the video after a 20 seconds.
This video presented no evidence Imane Khelif is a woman and not a man
The reverse needs to be true, she’s been a girl since her childhood photos, she’s been competing as a woman her entire life, the only claim of anything else was from the IBA - a now discredited Russian group, and they didn’t release any tests. They passed all Olympic tests since they’ve been competing in their adult lives.
If there’s a claim that she’s male, YOU ALL need to provide evidence of this or evidence that she has XY chromosomes, the IBA itself never released any.
@@Swordsonian It's true the IBA made a very weird, dubious decision to declare the test not only confidential, but even the _procedure_ ... which puts the IBA just so far from science.
But the IOC are _hardly any better_ in their responses, procedures and standards/criteria
I don't care if imane looks like a man, does imane have xx or xy chromosomes? That's the only thing that matters, no one speaks about that
No one speaks about that because there is no proof of that. Just because some people make a false claim about someone, doesn't turn it into a fact.
@@TomMuyldermans there's just no proof either way, Imane says she's a woman but doesn't say what chromosomes have been assigned
@@intuitiveturtle ok but maybe it's time to test chromosomes like we test for drugs, the Y chromosome in female sports and as powerful as steroids. Remember I said it first when the IOC decides fair sports is worth it. I'm not saying Imane is a man or woman without a through test. All female athletes should be tested. Then the argument will die
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Great presentation madam.
Wonderful, evidenced talk. Thanks!
Take the gender test!!!
Thank you for the educational and insightful video! I had no idea about the estrogen levels improving athleticism in athletic women
XY chromosomes = Male
Why don't you debate Dr Emma Hilton?
Who has said both are male !
Please stop calling people racist who care about women's sport!
It has nothing to do with race
Hey @NewsMinutes ...... You baselessly accusing Rowling and Musk as homophobic . explore their point of view and then comment . I will never watch your channel again
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well, they have to change the subject away from the MALE boxers fighting woman and winning female boxing gold some how!!!!!
Imagine getting the wrong phobic 💀
They're well known transphobic people not homophobic 😂. Learn the diff first.
They're well known transphobic people not homophobic 😂. Learn the diff first.
Its a tricky topic Dhanya. So can Claressa Shields and Al
Oleksandr Usyk compete with each other
came to read comments . They see her rollin, they hatinnnn 🤣
I don't see why there is a problem about that matter you are XX or XY to be elected for the XX cathegory.
IBA: These two athletes may have unfair advantage over other female boxers.
IOC: No, they don't have an advantage, they're just like the other female boxers.
The two female athletes: *win all matches against other female boxers and win GOLD*
IBA: So...?
IOC: 😮
They are stronger , so what ! This is the Olympics.....
Why didn't got gold medal in Tokyo. This is not truth
So when both athletes lost many previous matches it was all normal, but when they won it's questionable?
Your argument is ignorant.
Is this a paid advertisement for Khelif? How can you say the biological advantages dont matter in sports?
great job subbed
Look at the Olympic in Tokyo 2020, Imane Khelif played and lost as a woman, so way all of you complain about her now.
I just heard the commentator say that Khelif is a handful in the ring 😅😅
Racist ideals of femininity. What does that even mean? Do I need to go back to school because I’ve never heard such a thing.
The sponsors should get out of Olympics
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I mainly blame the IOC but also Imane Khelfi and her team for all the discussions we are facing worldwide about her gender. She was disqualified by the IBA in 2023 in New Delhi and claims that the tests of the IBA (whatever tests they were) were not just. While the IBA was disqualified because of corruption, Imane Khelif was granted to fight in the Olympics in Paris 2024 as a woman won gold yesterday. Even after the discussions about her gender escalated after the fight against the Italian fighter Angela Carini, noone stepped forward to do another genetic and a testosterone test on Imane Kheli either to confirm that she is a XY-Chromosome woman or to prove that she is not. Instead the birth certificate, issued in 2018 and her passport which both state that she is a women are presendet over and over again. These actions and the lack of openness lead to the belive that those parties involved have something to hide otherwise they would have stopped all the speculations with the result of another test. This would have nothing to do with racism but with fairness in sports and with equal requirements.
I get your point but keep in mind that Khelif had 3 olympics bouts in one week. She would have been busy preparing. I do not know much about chromosome testing. I hear there is a quick test of sorts and a more reliable blood test. The blood test aparently takes time to analyse. Khelif considers herself a woman, she does not need to proove anything to you or respect your feelings. She is not rewarded well for this medal, she is likely broke. And she is not the authority on qualification to the olympics. No, it is the IOC that needs to show leadership and set things straight. And more importantly, avoid politicization of sports. It is fair to demand that they come up with qualification rules and explain them in a manner satisfactory to most boxing fans (let's not care about the non-fans who are just here to vent their hate).
@Camp-h9g It is still the IOC who is responsible for qualification, not Khelif. Khelif has made it clear she considers herself a woman.
@Camp-h9g Khelif did not drop the appeal. She was asked to pay legal costs. When she did not pay, it was dropped on her. It is the IOC who is responsible to qualification to the olympics, not the banned IBA.
if they were unjust then HE could have contested it. HE choose not to. HE also could have appealed the disqualification. HE choose not to. HE failed multiple DNA tests, including the one last month..........all the blame falls on IOC for allowing a MAN to punch woman in the face!
@@fomobull4187 what someone considers themselves does not matter to anyone but themselves....The only thing that matters is what you actually are.....Woman do not have Y chromosomes....Men do not belong in any woman's competitions or division....Men should never punch woman in the face!!!
Yhank You for this, it's great!
Al-khajura as always supporting Muslim men
This is very ideological reporting. More focus on how people "think", "race" etc etc. Please focus on biology of the man. He has under-developed testes that produce testesterone. It has nothing to do with how she was brought up or what she was assigned at birth. He surely has micropenis and would not ovulate.
It is highly likely that he would be attracted towards female as is the case with Dutee Chand. This is the same case of Castor Semeya. Narrow Hips, Big shoulder, lean waist, more bone density. It does not get more clear than that.
Wow! The ignorance is very deep with this thick headed one. 😂
Let's talk about race.
I want to know which color were the women that he punched harder.
I get the tickling feeling that the darker the woman's skin was, the harder he punched.
You think biology and build of your body, race is in related?
Humans are having 21k genes... Much more chromosomes than X and Y.
Basi rightwingers biology is well... Not much
Also honey.... You saw Khelif naked that you know what she has? Youre her stalker or somenthing?
XY beat XX. Well done
Your ass brain won your brain ass
it's not proven she's XY. the claim was made indirectly by the IBA, which is run by a Russian oligarch close to Putin, (and the IOC has disbarred IBA because of its corruption) after Khalef had just beaten a previously undefeated Russian boxer. They claimed her testosterone was high, and was "similar" to someone with XY. they never tested for chromosomes.
Also, Khalef has been defeated before by other women, all of whom are cisgender.
I remember when Australians were unable to handle Harbhajan's spinners (Doosra) they started labeling it as suspicions. And it happened with Muralidharan too. Now another white Karen blames the problem with a brown person. It easy to realize where the problem is.
Well avarage boy and avarege woman. The boys are usually better
and stronger at 15-16. I do remember well we played a game against the female handball team. We where boys at 15-16. They lost. With maybe 10-15 goals or so.
How is that relevant? The topic is about a women, not a boy.
A few questions. If " competitive advantage" was a thing I don't think Phelps should have been allowed to compete ever. Also are all the women who beat these two now men?
@Camp-h9g Oh so you are saying that normal people can beat records made by people who have clear physical competitive edges? like a 12 lit lung capacity ( avg human has 6) , wider wingspan than legs, recorded less production of lactic acid than other athletes and finally double jointed elbows. hmmmmm. Interesting.
@Camp-h9g Also I guess all the women who have defeated Khelif are all men or from Amazon ( cite Wonder Woman comics). And of course since IBA is such a well respected authority with corruption scandals against them, we should definitely listen to them. But exactly which scientific test did they carry out to determine the xy chromosomes? where is the data? share with us so we may all see it too!
I have two eyes.
vous êtes des ignorants total car il est prouvé que c'est une femme elle est né fille et de plus l'Algérie n'est pas un pays ou il existe des transformers: comme les pays occidentaux ou ils sont légions donc game is over comme vous dite dans votre langue anglaise de l'angleterre
You lost credibility as soon as you called women "cisgendered"
He is the same weight as the Chinese woman opponent at the gold fight but you can see how much bigger he is in the upper body. Men and Women's fat distribution are different with men's on top and women's at the bottom
Do all men look alike in men's sport?
@@YogeshSharma-bg2xb This is one sport where 2 of the men went on the wrong team
Russian bots everywhere
This should be banned why doesn't "she" just box in the male vs male boxing circut this is extremely embarrassing and just down right confusing and weak sorry
How could this person look at there reflection in the mirror? Where does this person find the strength and courage to call themselves a boxer/fighter this was super weak and disgraceful the only sports I pay attention to is soccer and boxing if this is what we are coming to this may be the end people please stop being weak
I don't see everything in this sport the big mouth the super slickster and the dynamite puncher but this is some crazy shit I don't want to see this person in the squared circle again
XY is male
XXY is male also
Next question?
3:51 You said some women can have xy chromosomes and you promised to explain that later in the video, though you never did. Also you are incorrect because an xy chromosome human has male characteristics and there is no getting around that, even in cases of DSD, which the Algerian boxer likely has. This makes the competition in women's boxing unfair and dangerous.
And she has insanely high testosterone levels. It's really sick man
Girls with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do). Despite having the XY chromosomal makeup, girls with Swyer syndrome look female and have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes
Women can never have XY chromossomes
XY chromosomes + High level of testosterone = ridiculous
Can we go back to commenting on english instead of bad algebra.
There is no XY it is just a rumour, people like to repeat rumours like parrots.
Oh so you're a doctor 😂😂😂😂
@@mehdimehdi5019 Oh! if he is not XY, then why was he disqualified last year in boxing championship in New Delhi?
@@ivanlucas3625 you know that some women have XY chromosomes right?
lies like he breathes
An 'XY woman'
Good analysis presented with clarity and available facts!
@Camp-h9gyou don't enjoy when your little bubble is burst and no-one feeds your confirmation bias. 😂
@Camp-h9g You should be asking yourself this question! You're the one completely sold out to the false narrative manufactured by the racist West and 'entitled' white drama queens playing 'victim' coz they can't swallow defeat at the hands of non-white ppl 🙄
pretty stupid arguments "Khelif lost before" - just read Semenya's wikipedia page and it's pretty clear who's a male
So your source is a Wikipedia page that we'll might've been edited by someone like you? 😂
@Camp-h9g No matter what you tell them, they ignore the facts.
@Camp-h9g JJ is hopeless, all the sources are clearly linked - biggest scam of infinite gold medals in women sports
@@intuitiveturtle Do you think he has more to do with Lin Yu-ting from Taiwan?😉
Y chromosome in multiple DNA test trumps a wikipedia all day ever day
XY....duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
🧨 8===D Imane Khalif 💪🥇💥
Respect to you madam
The thing this doctor is omitting - Khelif had a MASSIVE advantage over these other women and in the last several years has taken extreme amounts of testosterone supplements.
Being a liar is bad.
@@TomMuyldermans Are you trying to suggest that Khelif is natty? Lol!
DSD is an important fact that needs to be considered, without that this discussion is incomplete. This is just a reactionary reporting.
DSD is a rumor, not a fact. Why does every irrelevant accusation need to be mentioned?
Thank you for your work and in-depth analysis. It‘s so sad how female Athletes especially poc are treated when they get sucessful in their Sports. I‘m so Shocked about this discussion which is Not only deeply rassist but finally also misogynistic… 😢
Why Pooja isn't hosting these episodes anymore?
Sourav, because you are pestering her
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