Dr. Jean Baptiste Laurent is not an endocrinologist, he's a family medicine physician who trained at a 2-year family medicine residency after medical school at McGill (Canada). He works at a non-physician owned cosmetic/aesthetic clinic that revolves around cosmetic interventions called Clinique AG in Quebec. Really weird you didn't provide the name of your guest when the whole video revolves around his "expertise". I'd like to know on what merits can Dr. Laurent claim that he is a hormone specialist?
He obviously didn't name him on purpose as he's not an expert of intersexed conditions or hormones of those people. PCOS doesn't make you good at boxing from a young age before you even hit puberty. She may not even have ovaries to begin with.
Everyone is an expert these days, it quite sad to see this really. This 'expert' appears more politically motivated than speaking unbiased medical knowledge. 'She can be who she wants to be' is not scientific.
@@pauljrechezona3126 PCOS is after puberty and gives you facial hair and makes you fat it doesn't work as testosterone doping, in fact it makes your female body less athletic. It doesn't make you taller, more muscular and a male face.
@@Iflie PCOS cause hyperandrogenism.... This causes hirsutism (facial male hair) This also causes increased bone density and increased glycogen anabolism which causes them to add weight and shield symptoms like obesity. Imane kalif doesn't have PCOS, however, medically a women with PCOS has the competitive edge against other women
Could be doping, Algeria is conservative but still very much undemocratic and unfree, not to mention relatively advanced in medical fields(Compared to other African countries), thiugh until we find proof, we just have to wait @ybench5871
Thank you!! I don’t know why we are even talking about PCOS in this context. Women with PCOS are XX. And women with PCOS have high testosterone FOR THE FEMALE RANGE. Someone with something like 5-ARD is going to have testosterone way beyond that range and into the MALE RANGE, plus will have gone through some male puberty.
Most people know she is not a transgender so stop bringing that up. The question is where you draw the line with DSD. No one really seem to know exactly what type of tests were used when Imane Khelif was disqualified in 2023 world championship. Most of the time if you look like a man most chance is that you are one. Intersex also known as disorders of sex development (DSD), occur when infants are born with a mix of male and female genitalia. The disorders cause a mismatch in the external and internal reproductive organs. The child's body may not be completely male, nor totally female. For example, a person may appear female, but have male (XY) chromosomes and testicles; or a person may have female internal organs such as ovaries and a uterus, but have a clitoris that is enlarged to resemble a penis.
Female hyena's have testosterone so high they have penises. Another useless fact. The point made even by the goons in this vid is that she signed up as a woman, broke no rules, and won. I'm pretty sure there's nothing about dna testing in the rules, so if you want to try to compete in the female boxing olympics, I'm all for it. I for one would rather run crying to my mommy because these women all punch like a sledge hammer!
They don't even necessarily have testicles. Swyer syndrome you have none and you're XY. And we don't even know if she has that. It's not that simple. People do 5 minutes of research and think they know what they're talking about.
Nick Drossos is primarily known as a self-defense expert and Not as a doctor or hormone specialist. If you’re looking for a hormone specialist, it’s best to consult with a licensed medical professional who has the appropriate credentials and experience in the field. Why do you not tell who your guest is and his Qualifications other than he's a doctor respectfully asked.
Does this guy have Imane Khelif's medical history? He seems to just be making assumptions without any proof. So many of the statements I've seen talk about how Khelif was "raised as a woman" as if that matters in the least. Also how does this guy call himself a hormone specialist? He seems to have barely any more knowledge than the average person hearing him speak.
@@NickDrossos It's been stated multiple times that Khelif has X & Y chromosomes, so why as a specialist did he mention PCOS? He isn't even mentioning conditions relevant to the information already given, just listing off what can cause higher testosterone in women.
@@j4ck.209 The testing from 2020 concluded that it was XY. There are conditions where the person is intersex and has XY but not in normal male chromosome configuration. What I've heard about the new Olympic committee is that they're taking the sex listed on the athlete's passport at face value without comprehensive testing done.
This Mrs. men was banned in others competion of too much testesterone. And yes this hormone makes strenght and endurance and thats not fair. She has the benefits of a normal men has in boxing.
That's because she doped. And also IBA allegedly failed her for gender. But that's a corrupt Russian organization. However IOC seems like they didn't test her at all. It seems like the passport was good enough. So Russia embarassed the IOC because the IOC likes to sniff woke farts. If you fail a testossterone test it means your doping or unatural. You would still sideline the fighter just in case. Usuallybit is doping, there are rare cases it's not. Male hormone is a PED. Also remember boxing is based on points. So maybe she had a bad fight. Maybe not enough juice. But now that she is fueled up she is mopping the floor with ladies. She hits like a man and it's unfair they let it happen.
Sure a man can lose to a trained woman boxer, if he lacks on his own training and the women he is facing is really well trained. If the guy is just starting out and the woman has been boxing for a long time he might not last very long in the ring with her. Is she capable of really hurting him, not really because if she is trained real well she would know when he is about to be done anyway.
The doctor said, "She can be whoever/whatever she likes." Sounds like a very woke statement. Yes, she can. But this is about fair competition in international sports.
I agree. I feel it's only right to make a decision based firmly on scientific "fact" and not on how you look, feel, present etc. Unfortunately that will mean at some point it will have to be mandatory to obtain a genetic profile from prospective competitors.
@@jgp7414you act like medical knowledge is only available to whatever university this guy crawled out of. In not one of his diagnoses does he have a shred of medical proof. And he’s taking leaps in logic…. Because not testosterone tests were event performed by the IBA or IOC. Also he’s accepting the fact it’s a women by their passport and not even bringing up the main argument that surrounds this about a failed Chromosome test by the IBA.
@jasonx6610 there was never a chromosome test done by the IBA, it's made up. The russian run IBA made it all up so they could make their Russian boxers win by default. They were made up. We also saw the birth certificate. The doctors are right on this one, not your random ass.
Michelle Obama does not have more muscle and just looks like a tall woman. Serena is just big and she has a female body type. Serena has been tested and she’s female. They are just Black women and White people don’t like them. Khelif does not have a female body type and she failed two female gender tests. Women’s sports must be protected because people do anything for money. It’s easy money for males to pretend to be females.
@@thobydavis7649that doesn’t make you male automatically. The Y chromosome just has the genes that usually switch your fetal development to come out as male. But genes mutate and in the cases of those sex genes on the Y chromosome, they can mutate in a way that they still produce a female even with a Y chromosome
to give up after one punch, give up gold after 4 years hard training in just 40 seconds? A professional to make that decision? Says nothing at all to you mad gender customised freaks? Does IT have a uterus actually? This bullshit is getting out of hand, dont aspect this mad bullshit gets generalised by the majority
@@oce2u Khelif has XY and a male puberty, so the DSD he has is most probably the same that Caster Semenya has, 5 ard. 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5αR2D) is an autosomal recessive condition caused by a mutation in SRD5A2, a gene encoding the enzyme 5α-reductase type 2 (5αR2). The condition is rare, affects only genetic males, and has a broad spectrum.
Two male boxers won gold in women’s Olympic boxing. How did this happen? Imane Khelif, a man, boxed against Angela Carini during the Olympics. Some people are upset, others are defending this, some are saying the criticism directed at Khelif is just a plot to get Algeria disqualified. Khelif had been disqualified from professional boxing in the female category before because the IBA did two sex tests on him and the IBA claims that the results show that he is a man cheating by pretending to be a woman. Same as another controversial boxing contestant for the female category, Lin Yu-ting. Neither of them contested their disqualification in the end which makes it even more suspicious. The IOC discontinued all sex testing years ago, their only eligibility criteria are now whether someone has the marker for female on their passport. This is why both of the boxers were still able to participate in the Olympics. Khelif won against his opponent after just 46 seconds. Carini took a punch to the face (there are claims he broke her nose) and forfeited the match, saying she had never been hit this hard before. Carini was seen visibly angry and in tears, on her knees, repeatedly saying “it’s not fair”. Just like Lin Yu-ting’s opponent, she refused to shake hands. Khelif nonetheless approached her twice, smirking, and even groped her breast after winning. A lot of people were understandably upset. The IOC issued a statement claiming that the true victims of the situation were the two male boxers. Now, are they male? Yes. The IBA defines “woman” as someone with XX-chromosomes, so this leads us to the conclusion that both Lin and Khelif at the very least tested positive for Xy. The test results are available to individual journalists. Alleged childhood pictures of Khelif surfaced, showing him in pink clothes leading us to believe he was raised as a girl. His father also presented to the public Khelif’s birth certificate that classifies him as “female”, however, strangely, the birth certificate was only issued in 2018, 19 years after his birth and right at the start of Khelif’s professional boxing career. Both Imane’s and Lin’s passport is saying they are “female.” Many people have pointed out that a marker on a passport is not indicative of sex in the first place, since many countries have self-identification laws that allow women and men to change their legal sex marker at will. Algeria however is not one of those countries. Now, there are few disorders of sexual development that can lead to women having Xy chromosomes. Imagine it like this: you have an X and a y and the y malfunctions in some way, leaving only the X. One of them is Swyer syndrome, which I’ve seen people claim Khelif has. First, there’s no proof for this. Second, there are documentaries about women with Swyer syndrome and Khelif looks nothing like them. I think it’s pretty apparent from his appearance that Khelif has functioning testicles. He has a male frame, Adams apple, male muscle-to-fat ratio, a male voice and wingspan. A now scrubbed online profile of Khelif inside the IOC’s internal system revealed he has high, presumably male level testosterone. There are even pictures of his that show what is clearly male genitalia. Women with Swyer do not develop male genitalia and only produce female levels of testosterone. They also have to go on female hormone replacement therapy to go through puberty. More claims debunked: “The IBA is lying because uh… Russia” The lab that did the first test is a US-American reference lab and, as well, accredited by CAP, the Northfield, Illinois-based College of American Pathologists, and certified by the ISO, the Swiss-based International Organization for Standardization. The second test was done in New Delhi and turned out identical to the first. Besides, what kind of incentive would the Russian government have to defend an Italian boxer over an Algerian one? That makes no sense to me. Just btw, the IOC is deeply connected to the WEF. This is not a political issue though, unless we make it. Both Taiwan and Algeria wrote to the IBA and threatened consequences were they to publish the test results. It is also worth noting that in 2023 Khelif already accused Morocco of plotting against Algeria by supposedly “getting him disqualified.” “She is a woman on testosterone” Khelif is not a woman on testosterone. If that were true, “she” would have to be disqualified for doping. But apart from the fact he has Xy, women who take androgens, even the ones taking a male amount of them, still have female frames. This is me speaking from experience: just look at videos, best unedited, of women on high amounts of testosterone moving. You’ll see they look and move nothing like him, even if they have more muscle and beards. Khelif tested positive for high testosterone before. Personally, I really wish we knew the exact range he’s in because female and male testosterone levels do not overlap, even in cases of developmental disorders that give women higher testosterone. “She has a uterus and fallopian tubes” False and entirely based on the fabricated claim that Khelif has Swyer syndrome. “Khelif has lost to women before, so she must be a woman” Even cheaters lose sometimes. And even a loser man has no place in women's boxing. Of course, it is possible that Khelif has lost several times on purpose. William “Lia” Thomas, who swam with the women as a man in the USA, was caught several times deliberately not paddling his legs to make the difference between himself and the women look smaller. Here is a quote from Mexican Brianda Tamara, against whom Khelif boxed in 2022: “When I fought with her, I felt very out of my depth; her blows hurt me a lot. I don’t think I had ever felt like that in my 13 years as a boxer, nor in my sparring with men. Thank God that day I got out of the ring safely, and it’s good that they finally realized [that he is a man].” And from boxer Joana Nwamerue who trained with Khelif: “[Khelif] has some kind of internal issues. But he is a man. I will stay [by] my words until he/she does a test to prove to the world that he/she is a WOMAN. But we all know that won’t happen. [Khelif’s] teammates came to me and told me ‘[Khelif] is a woman and just lives high in the mountains with her relatives and parents and so there may be a change in her testosterone or chromosomes and the like. So myself and my coach watched [Khelif] and I said ‘that can’t be possible.’ Everywhere has people living in the mountains. It’s absurd.” Nwamerue adds that her coach replied by noting that other world and European boxing federations had implemented bans on him, and that “only the Olympics” was allowing Khelif to compete. Rafa Lozano, former Olympic boxer and the Technical Commissioner of the Spanish boxing team: “Whoever we put [Khelif] with was injured.” “She was born female” Fact is, we know he is registered as female. We don’t know why that is, but reasons could be: botched circumcision, born with ambiguous genitalia, parents wanted a girl (unlikely since transgenderism is illegal in Algeria). Personally, I think the second reason is true. Caster Semenya is another man who competed as female, but later fathered a child with sperm from his internal testicles. Semenya has what’s called 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency. That means Semenya is a normal man whose testes just didn’t drop. In some cases, they drop later. More things that don’t add up but aren’t proof of anything on their own: Khelif, coming from a rural Muslim community, was never seen wearing a hijab. There exist several pictures of him wearing a groin protector specifically for men, never for women. Right after his fight against Carini he was seen doing something on stage that many men seem to recognize as “adjusting his junk.” Conclusion: to clear things up and avoid spreading misinformation, we should put pressure on the IOC and the athletes to undergo sex testing in a way that ensures we are getting correct unbiased results. And yes, the media and many disingenuous people online are lying about about this situation and the athletes’ sexes.
UPDATE: Due to his victory against Anna Luca Hamori, Khelif secures a bronze medal and moves on to the semi-finals. Hamori posted an AI-generated picture before the fight showing her confronting a giant monster man. The fact that she has a lighter color in the picture, while Khelif is shown with darker skin, adds fuel to the fire of a discussion about racism that has flared up on Twitter/X. After the fight against Lin Yu-ting that secured him bronze, Staneva, his opponent, made a double X sign with her hands. “I only want to play with women, I am double X.” Khelif won a gold medal, same as Lin. Even before Khelif received the gold medal, he met with French President Emmanuel Macron. Macron promised Khelif his support. It is interesting to note that Joe Biden (USA) and Olaf Scholz (GER) also previously publicly shook hands in a similar way with men who pretend to be women and want to enter women's spaces. During the semi-finals against Turkey's Esra Yıldız Kahraman, Lin threw several illegal rabbit punches. Rabbit punches are punches to the back of the head that are illegal in all martial arts including boxing because they have a chance to cause paralysis or death. He first caught Kahraman at the back of the head with a big left hand that saw Kahraman stumble into the ropes and “showed no mercy” as he hit his opponent despite her facing the other way and holding her arm up. The referee only stepped in when Lin landed one more final blow to the back of Kahraman’s head. Despite loud boos from the crowd, Lin avoided being punished. The IOC is copyright striking videos on RUclips showing the incident. For comparison: These same Olympics, Vinesh Phogat, a female Indian wrestler, was disqualified from the Olympics for weighing 100 grams more than 50 kgs.
Having a mans bone density and strength gives you an extreme advantage either way. Its not Fair period, thats the only thing we give a fuck about, make it fair.
Well, if she has a man's level of testosterone... does that make fighting with her, on par with a man? I still question whether it was fair or not. Because why is taking steroids that increases testosterone and muscle mass, not allowed, but her "natural" conditon that increases testosterone and muscle mass, is allowed?...Also, the careful and unclear wording they used to defend her...they made it sound like she was trans!! And you know what? Reguardless of whether she is trans or not, I don't like the condenscending smirk and pat on the back she gave to her crying and devastated opponent.
Life isn't fair though. Sometimes a freak of nature changes the game. Tom Brady. Babe Ruth. Pele. And of course Michael Phelps. Sirena Williams is another great example. Just someone who is far and away the best in ways that nobody can explain. And what to do about those cases. Well it's really quite simple. They win. How do you beat them? Well you do your best but a lot of times the answer is you don't.
@@blaisemacpherson7637 skilled and freaks of nature are different. We have the tests to check hormone levels and sports organizations use them for a reason.
I came across a post discussing Iman Khalif, and I wanted to share my thoughts on it. It’s important to understand that just because Iman has higher levels of testosterone, it doesn’t make her a man. This is simply a natural condition she was born with and has no control over. Imagine if you were born with this and faced bullying because of it-how would you feel? I’m addressing those who claim to support feminism but still expect women to fit certain beauty standards. Where is your support now? To those who continue to say the Algerian boxer is a man, you’re being unfair. I hope you can empathize and understand her situation by putting yourself in her shoes.
this physician expert (in hormones ?) doesnt know a shit about 46XY with development disorders. He doesn't know a shit about androgens, He dont know a shit about rules concerning Teestosterone levels... and he did not know a shit about hyperandrogeny whose maximum levels do not overlap with the range of male levels.
When a real woman is suffering from the ovarian cysts believe me, they do not have time to go and practice boxing or play fight. This man talks nonsense!!!
She is a very masculine woman I have ever seen. Masculine face and jawline, masculine arms and body, masculine demeanors and the way she carries herself. Her body screams, "I AM A MAN"
Damn if u fact check everything he says it's actually spot on! Google "pcos athletes" then Google "hyperandrogenism" and read about it and it's correlation with pcos.
All of this begin when Iman win against a Russian boxer the president of IBA also is a Russian, when Iman beat the Russian boxer, the president of IBA excluded her to put the Russian boxer in the final of the world championship in place of Iman, if Iman was really a man for which IBA let her fight until in the final
Spot on, why did they allow her to enter the competition at all. Secondly they awarded 100K to the italian girl, wtf. They really pushing their narrative to discredit IOC, probably for banning russia?
This is just the motivation for them to test her, in reality she has the problem with her gender, so as long as the result of her testing is real, we don't need to care if the Russian has something dark here.
if you had just spent 2 seconds researching instead of repeating nonsense you would know Khelif was never set to cross a Russian in the tournament. They invented this to discredit IBA, which was easily picked up by lazy people like yourself.
She has DSD, so external sexual organs is female but may have undescended testes which produce testosterone. She had genetic tests that revealed she has XY chromosomes (which makes her genetic male).
If she has developed more male features as she is developing (humans keep developing into their 20s) then it seems that for this sport the biggest question is does she now have a male muscular structure. Male muscles are stronger and faster than a females (assuming the same level of training) which gives an unfair advantage in a female competition. I'm glad that they mentioned this.
This is definitely a tricky one...but I have to agree. She's female, she's not doping or cheating in any way; she's just naturally more fit for this sport. I agree with comparing it to Michael Phelps-what should he have done, changed his muscle and bone structure to put him on the same level as the other swimmers? Along with black people being better on average in many sports. Their bodies are just naturally better attuned for athletics. Nobody's saying it's not fair for black people and other races to compete together. The only thing is that if she knew she could have gotten treatment but didn't, and knew that would give her an advantage in her sport..then it gets a little more complicated. But at the end of the day that's a personal choice which she may have made for other reasons too, and she shouldn't have to change her body just to be able to compete. It's also important to note that it's not like she's gotten to this point just by having stronger muscles. Like, she still had to work hard and develop other skills rather than just brute strength. So it seems to me that she's not only strong but also honestly good at what she does; she's trained for it like everyone else. That's just how it is in sports; you can't get upset if other people do better than you. You just gotta try _your_ best. Just because Imane was born different, she shouldn't be denied the opportunity to compete in her sport. I can see why it's an issue if she has more testosterone than the average woman but less than the average man...like where does she belong. It would be nice if there was a whole separate category for trans/intersex etc athletes, but there probably aren't enough of them. :/ ~:~
In The small poor village she come from ...they don't know there is a treatment ... she was selling bread in the street as a child to pay for the bus to go to her box training. You understand nothing about the place she is coping from
Why bring on a medical doctor if you're note even going to address the actual issue, is the athete intersex with XY chromosomes? or not? Calling her a woman without defining what that means is pointless
All the nine times that she lost she was a female, now that she's won she automatically becomes a man..😂 Africa and the whole world is proud of you mama❤❤❤
For both Khelif and Lin, the New Delhi test - conducted by independent firm Dr Lal PathLabs, the IBA revealed on Monday - consists of three sides. The first page contains, along with basic identifying information for each athlete and the date and time of sample collection, a summary of the results - "abnormal" - and an interpretation - "chromosome analysis reveals a male karyotype." The second page contains a photographic representation of the 22 paired autosomes and then, for each athlete, additionally shows the X and Y chromosome. The third page explains that the laboratory is a "national reference laboratory" and also accredited by CAP, the College of American Pathologists, located in Northfield in the state of Illinois and certified by ISO, the Swiss International Organization for Standardization.
She has 50 fights with 6 KO's. Does that sound like an absolute powerhouse KO artist? Does that sound like someone who "hits harder than the men do." Tyson had 44 Ko's in his 58 fights and we still can't decide if he's the hardest hitting boxer. This girl has 6 losses as well, 6 other women have managed to beat her. This one quit, then cried and we are just supposed to give her a gold medal? Someone got too many participation trophies growing up.
BS. "She" has XY chromosomes which high school basic biology says is strictly MALE. I am a female who had PCOS until I had my FULL hysterectomy that removed my uterus AND ovaries. But before I had my female reproductive organs removed I had breast's & didn't have a body that LOOKS like a man's. Give me a break doc. Once they test your chromosomes the test results won't change at a later date. I'm not a doctor but I'm not an idiot either. 2 sides to sided to every story???? To that I say you're close... the sides are XX or XY.
As was the most likely from the outset, Khelif is a biological male with 5-ARD with 46XY karotype, as proven by medical records. Khelif did not have PCOS because Khelif does not have ovaries. This expert was beginning his speculation from the mistaken assumption that Khelif was biologically female, which has been proven by the records is not the case. We'll see if this channel or this expert updates this interview.
Sorry not female ... 1. Khelif was born with xy chromosomes with DSD 5-ARD deficiency.. Internal testes and no ovaries ... As such, Khelif was misassigned at birth as a female .. same as Caster Semenya and Brittany Griner ... 2. When Khelif reached puberty, his xy chromosomes kicked in (specifically the y chromosome) releasing normal male levels of testosterone from internal testes and resulting in all the attributes associated with being a male (muscle mass, bone density, lung capacity, larger heart, broader shoulders, deeper voice, etc) .. just look at the video of Khelif walking around Paris .. major broad shoulders and a typical male gait .. 3. In 2023, Khelif was banned by the IBA for not meeting the female division sex requirements .. ie. Not having xx chromosomes ... Khelif initially appealed this decision but then abandoned it .. when a simple cheek swab would easily prove whether Khelif was xx or xy ... The fact Khelif chose NOT to fight the IBA ban or take this simple test is very telling, if not damning .. hiding behind a dubious passport is not proof of anything.. 4. In 2024, Khelif decides to compete as a woman in the Olympics, knowing the IOC has a loophole in not requiring actual proof that women are xx chromosomal.. Instead, a passport will do, which is zero proof at all ! 5. Any empathy for Khelif I had disappeared upon learning he is gaming the system by KNOWING he is xy chromosomal and STILL deciding to use his xy size/muscle/power advantage to beat up xx women .. the power advantage difference between men and women is massive (one paper cited a 162% difference!) .. 6. The IOC banned Caster Semenya in the 2024 Olympics for having naturally high testosterone (but ignoring why this is occurring ie. xy chromosomes) ... yet allows Khelif, Lin, and Griner to compete ... the inconsistency is mind-boggling 7. Algeria should be ashamed knowing full well they are exploiting the IOC's incompetence and willful woke ignorance, instead of actual solid recognized facts and science. 8. Their egregious decision (IOC) could lead to serious injuries, or even death, to actual xx female athletes. It's just insane.
Some men have differences in sexual development that result in external ambiguous genitalia. We dont know what sex imane is without a DNA and gynecological exam by a male DSD specialist. We just dont know.
CIO released the result 2 days ago. She has XX cariotype. She is a woman genitically. And externally also as in algeria you cant change your sex afterwards. All pictures and documents when she was a child show she was considered a woman. 5% of women have more testostérone than the average. Yet they are women. Examples: women with kyste on ovaries.
Congratulations to Imane Khelif on her incredible achievement in winning the gold medal at the Paris Olympics! Despite facing unjust criticism and misinformation, she has proven her strength, determination, and undeniable talent. It's time for those who doubted and attacked her to apologize and recognize the greatness of this phenomenal athlete. Imane's success is a victory for all women in sports, and she deserves nothing but respect and admiration for her hard-fought journey to the top. Keep shining, Imane!
@@nicklegend2271 False. There are no categories for tall and short basketball players, but there are for men and women. Every person can take advantage of their natural abilities, but you can’t take advantage of males advantages in the female category.
According to the IBA, the boxers genetic test came back as male, meaning XY chromosomes. The only inference is that developmental disorder affecting the normal expression of genes. When born, the boxer probably appeared as mostly female and was raised as such. Based on present phenotype, the boxer certainly seems to I have developed male physical characteristics Each sport should have the authority to regulate the criteria for qualifying to compete as a female using relevant clear and objective criteria, as opposed to being guided buy some extraneous political ideology. The notion that anyone listed as female on their passport is female with no questions asked is ridiculous. Imagine Mike Tyson shows up with a passport indicating female?
It’s against the law to disclose people’s medical records. The IBA had the tests done by an accredited lab. In the news conference they spoke of how Khelif and the other boxer have male ‘carriers’. To a specialist they would understand that this means they have tested XY meaning their are male. Both boxers signed the documents acknowledging the results. Both boxers were given the opportunity to contest the results (which would mean more testing) and both refused to contest. Stop lying about this issue and start being concerned about women.
Absolutely! People have genetically factor that give them advantages and it’s obviously ok. You’re not going to disqualify a swimmer because he has bigger lungs. Why would you disqualify a woman because she has higher testosterone (not induced)
OK, but you do you have proof of her biological gender, or do you believe anyone who identifies as a woman should be aloud to compete in women's sports?
This dude is just guessing. How hard is it really just for them to be honest? All this mystery doesn’t help their arguement they are female, if anything lying and hiding makes it seem they cheated
This story is so absurd, Made Khelif a superwoman. She been doing this sport past 6 years no one talk about her , first Olympics no one heard about her . In many fights she lost and no one talk about it . Now when a crying baby , quite the ring after 46 second , she became a superwoman .
This expert has WAY oversimplified the DSD's and unless he's seen Khalif's genetic profile (which nobody has except the OIC and IBA) and done a physical examination, he can't say for sure what her sex status is.
Algerian here. Imane khelif is a WOMAN. No ifs, no buts, no nothing. Changing your gender is NOT allowed in Algeria (its illegal) and its very looked down upon. She didn’t even win all of her matches! It’s obvious that this is a smear campaign that was started by her opponents. She should honestly sue the people who started it.
Correction, asking as you are not the one who conduct the medical examinations on him and you don't have the firsthand knowledge of the medical result it's not the hormones the reasons that why Imane Khelif desqualify in 2023 world boxing championship just make more research.
Issue is with all kinds of movements that are in our era that Olympic Games are outdated, this level of competition has no answer for the current situation? Getting T through a needle is unfair but having it naturally that is out of a norm is? Why double standards? Competitive sports has always been discriminatory in a sense that people either fit in one pole or another and that selection makes the game fair to the rest. Nobody would argue if other ladies with higher T or xy chromosomes would compete with each other. Equality movements got out of hand, and flocking this horse is unethical just because you have a female passport, (most intersex do), its visibly not an unfair game and khalif can be anyone in her personal life but as an athlete its a different story. Its not fair, for the same reason why not eliminating the age limit as well to watch adult people beating up children. Khalif attitude is fishy saluting like a soldier but crying about inequality in interviews.
I think ppl should be fighting within testosterone ranges just like weight ranges. I know, it sounds silly, but you can't take T at the olympics for a reason. It's incredibly powerful. And for contact sports, it could endanger someone's life. If you have 4 times more T than the average female, you will win. It's like, why are we even bothering with the match? It's a guarantee. You watch boxers that are equally matched because you can actually watch their strategy. I wouldn't watch two very skilled boxers fight each other if one is twice the size. There's no art to winning for them. It's gonna last, well, 40s and be over.
They should start with checking for common things like the external genitals, gonads and physiological functions like menstruation. I don't understand why in this case people have to be political.
Iman Khalif is a strong woman, and anyone who attacks her cannot tolerate this Iman Khalif, the strong woman who exposed racists and those who claimed to defend women Don't be afraid, she's just a strong woman Forward, our queen, Iman Khalif 👸🥊💥
The doctor's logic is at fault when applied to sports. Of course, anyone can use their natural advantages. If you have super long arms and play basketball, good for you. There are no leagues for long and short arms, so it's not an issue. But in this case, there are categories for male and female. So the question "in regard to sports" is not if Amine is male or female, but if she has the male advantages or not. This is sport, not social life and personal identity.
You don't believe what you're saying. By your logic, you wouldn't mind if a trans woman competed with women if their westerners levels were low ebough. Do you believe that?
What??? Well then it doesn't make sense to call it Men's Basketball or Women's Basketball now does it? We're going to have to change it to Masculine Basketball or Feminine Basketball, which certainly doesn't sound as good right? So I hope now conservatives at least finally see that this issue isn't as black and white as they were making it seem. You can't have a binary division based on some thing that actually exists on a spectrum.
@@CMD619 No need for an agenda here. This has nothing to do with LGBTQ. If a human is born with 4 fingers, I think we can still teach biology saying humans have 5 fingers.
There are two ways to see it. 1-We might say like the IBA that chromosomes decide your sexe and that’s it. 2-We might allow some sexe ambiguity for intersex people and think chromosomes, while the most important marker, is not the only one, but a set of parameters need to be considered. In both cases, Imane doesn’t pass the test because even if we accept ambiguity in regards to Amine’s sexe, the male advantages Amine had did result in higher testosterone levels that visibly shaped Amine’s body and strength. So I’m not saying that sexe ambiguity exists. It might be that chromosomes are all we need. But what I’m saying is that even if we do accept the idea of ambiguity like this doctor says, Amine still doesn’t pass the test because obviously, testosterone has had it’s effet on Amine in producing some male advantages.
I have saw a beautiful women in Instagram, but her voice like a male voice, but she still look like normal women. Then I believe that shen is normal women, because she never act like drag queen.
How do you explain that she lost already 9 fights to other women fighter? Why only black men were lined in the 100m race? The french basket ball player was 2.30m tall should we set a limit to basket ball players hight? If its natural why make the change through treatment?
IF she is an xx real female with naturally high testosterone, or a condition causing it, fine. But Semanye has DSD is xy and was banned. Semanye is allowed to compete if he reduces his testosterone medically. (he tried but it made him ill) If Imane has xy chromosomes it's THE SAME THING! The doctor is guessing here. They could have been born with 'micro peni$' a medical term. Doctors will assign female in most cases. The only way to stop the guessing is testing. Women's sports depends on this! This interview was based on pure assumptions. IBA claims xy and male testosterone levels. If IOC are going to say IBA lied, prove it!!
Semanye is not XY. If she was, she would be a man. To my understanding, she is XXY. She is still a woman with DSD, not a man contrary to what you're claiming. We don't know about Khelif chromosomes. The IBA "test" is very very dubious, especially considering all the cases of corruption with this organization. But even if she was XXY, the mandatory hormone treatment is only for Athletics, not other sports.
@@daedalronI should have said "she", referring to Semanye. I didn't actually call "her" a man though. (I understand your correction there, but that's a whole other topic.) Like you say, there are no actual results to go on. If the IOC has made the decision not to test, and since they over rule any Olympic events, individual categories won't matter anyway. Almost any event could be effected by testosterone. As it stands, there is no method to exclude even 100% biological men.
@@laurykristensen6239 When I said you claimed Semenya as a man, that was based on you calling her "he" instead of "she". I take now your clarification into account. Semenya is technically an intersex individual with female genitalia (and therefore assigned female at birth). Khelif might be in the same situation, but there are no official confirmation from reliable sources. "Almost any event could be affected by testosterone" That's true, but that's also the case of plenty of other natural advantages an athlete can have over others. Being born tall is a huge advantage for basket or volleyball, for example. Having slightly longer arms to body ratio also helps for combat sports to give more reach. Why would we consider some natural advantages legal (body shape for ex), and some illegal (higher testosterone level)?
@@daedalron You literally have no clue what you are talking about. Caster Semenya has 5a reductase deficiency, a DSD that ONLY AFFECTS MALES. You understand? ONLY MALES have the condition that Caster Semenya has, so 100% NOT a woman. You can look up the condition and the fact that Semenya has this, it will take 10 seconds to confirm that you are completely wrong.
I wish Imane Khelif would sue the russian IBA because they obviously wanted to exclude her just to give a chance to their favorite Russian boxer. They disqualified her without even giving a proof reports that support tgeir claims in 2023.
I doubt she is able to sue alone, it is not free. Amateur boxers rarely get paid and olympic boxing is an amateur league, not pro. If you win a medal in the olympics, you get paid whatever your own country decides to pay you. The olympics give you a medal but no prize. The IBA now claims she withdrew her appeal. She did not withdraw. She just did not pay when asked to pay legal costs so the appeal case was dropped on her. She was 23 back then and from a humble background. But Algeria ought to step in. It is very plain from watching the actual fights that she is not "a dude". The fights were not mismatched. She did not just show up and suckerpunch everyone. The haters are delusional or mean. I do not know the biology here but no way she is just a normal man or even close. It is not hard to see in the fights. She is also a woman down there. I do not know why people insist on shaming this woman who in the worst case has some sort of medical condition that barely gives an advantage, and who might also just be a good boxer.
@@olboe2008 I do not like all this speculation. The IOC should clarify the qualification rules, apply them equally to all athletes and be clear about what the rules are and mean. Right now the rules seem unclear and there are conflicting statements. Women are already protected by the referee. They need to clarify the rules to avoid fake politicisation of sports.
She said she will pursuit a Law case against some people and some federation ...her lawyers confermed that... Hope she will get herself some more money from all this.
The controversy is about the ioc disregarding the need for scientific testing for gender in womans sports, they rather go by how someone is identified on their passport than to find out the truth
Why we have no rule before? Because 100 years ago, she would have been pressured by society to deal with her condition - to be actually feminine, because her 1st priority would be to make family and bear children But now she can play with her condition to her advantage and think that this is healthy and fair
But will "her" condition give you XY chromosomes when tested ? That also explains the elevated testosterone and the multiple images of "her" in male sporting protection equipment.
Dr. Jean Baptiste Laurent is not an endocrinologist, he's a family medicine physician who trained at a 2-year family medicine residency after medical school at McGill (Canada). He works at a non-physician owned cosmetic/aesthetic clinic that revolves around cosmetic interventions called Clinique AG in Quebec. Really weird you didn't provide the name of your guest when the whole video revolves around his "expertise". I'd like to know on what merits can Dr. Laurent claim that he is a hormone specialist?
He obviously didn't name him on purpose as he's not an expert of intersexed conditions or hormones of those people. PCOS doesn't make you good at boxing from a young age before you even hit puberty. She may not even have ovaries to begin with.
Everyone is an expert these days, it quite sad to see this really. This 'expert' appears more politically motivated than speaking unbiased medical knowledge. 'She can be who she wants to be' is not scientific.
@@Iflieas a doctor I did agree with you.....PCOS absolutely boost your androgenous factors
@@pauljrechezona3126 PCOS is after puberty and gives you facial hair and makes you fat it doesn't work as testosterone doping, in fact it makes your female body less athletic. It doesn't make you taller, more muscular and a male face.
@@Iflie PCOS cause hyperandrogenism.... This causes hirsutism (facial male hair)
This also causes increased bone density and increased glycogen anabolism which causes them to add weight and shield symptoms like obesity.
Imane kalif doesn't have PCOS, however, medically a women with PCOS has the competitive edge against other women
PCOS doesn’t give you testosterone levels in the male range
doping does.
Yeah im sure an amature algerian boxer has steroids within their budget. Dont be stupid.@@ybench5871
Could be doping, Algeria is conservative but still very much undemocratic and unfree, not to mention relatively advanced in medical fields(Compared to other African countries), thiugh until we find proof, we just have to wait
@ybench5871
I habe PCOS, but i have a Vagina, and huge Titts, my Testosteron is higher than my Östrogen, I AM STILL A WOMAN. I HAVE CHILDREN
Thank you!! I don’t know why we are even talking about PCOS in this context. Women with PCOS are XX. And women with PCOS have high testosterone FOR THE FEMALE RANGE. Someone with something like 5-ARD is going to have testosterone way beyond that range and into the MALE RANGE, plus will have gone through some male puberty.
Most people know she is not a transgender so stop bringing that up.
The question is where you draw the line with DSD. No one really seem to know exactly what type of tests were used when Imane Khelif was disqualified in 2023 world championship. Most of the time if you look like a man most chance is that you are one.
Intersex also known as disorders of sex development (DSD), occur when infants are born with a mix of male and female genitalia. The disorders cause a mismatch in the external and internal reproductive organs. The child's body may not be completely male, nor totally female. For example, a person may appear female, but have male (XY) chromosomes and testicles; or a person may have female internal organs such as ovaries and a uterus, but have a clitoris that is enlarged to resemble a penis.
injecting test and say its my sickness, this works. Nice
Swyer syndrome does not cause elevated testosterone
Female hyena's have testosterone so high they have penises. Another useless fact. The point made even by the goons in this vid is that she signed up as a woman, broke no rules, and won. I'm pretty sure there's nothing about dna testing in the rules, so if you want to try to compete in the female boxing olympics, I'm all for it. I for one would rather run crying to my mommy because these women all punch like a sledge hammer!
They don't even necessarily have testicles. Swyer syndrome you have none and you're XY. And we don't even know if she has that. It's not that simple. People do 5 minutes of research and think they know what they're talking about.
@@pauremi396 You draw the line when elevated testosterone produces male advantages.
This vid doesn't age well.
Nick Drossos is primarily known as a self-defense expert and Not as a doctor or hormone specialist. If you’re looking for a hormone specialist, it’s best to consult with a licensed medical professional who has the appropriate credentials and experience in the field. Why do you not tell who your guest is and his Qualifications other than he's a doctor respectfully asked.
Does this guy have Imane Khelif's medical history? He seems to just be making assumptions without any proof. So many of the statements I've seen talk about how Khelif was "raised as a woman" as if that matters in the least. Also how does this guy call himself a hormone specialist? He seems to have barely any more knowledge than the average person hearing him speak.
He is a DR. And a specialist in Hormone therapy.
@@TouhouNazrin without testing, this is all speculation
@@NickDrossos It's been stated multiple times that Khelif has X & Y chromosomes, so why as a specialist did he mention PCOS? He isn't even mentioning conditions relevant to the information already given, just listing off what can cause higher testosterone in women.
@@TouhouNazrinshe does not have X Y chromosomes period. In that case, she would absolutely be a man and could not fight with women.
@@j4ck.209 The testing from 2020 concluded that it was XY.
There are conditions where the person is intersex and has XY but not in normal male chromosome configuration. What I've heard about the new Olympic committee is that they're taking the sex listed on the athlete's passport at face value without comprehensive testing done.
She’s strong she is no male there’s other woman that beat her but she won this time and the world went crazy cause the woman that lost cried
@@Cindy22794 imane tested xy
This Mrs. men was banned in others competion of too much testesterone. And yes this hormone makes strenght and endurance and thats not fair. She has the benefits of a normal men has in boxing.
@@NaturalBBler born a female that’s it fair and square
Boils down to sore losers who are putting on a sad sad show.
@@NaturalBBler When you say 'normal' men, who do you mean exactly?
she lost before and no one complained, but when she won, suddenly she became a man.
That's because she doped. And also IBA allegedly failed her for gender. But that's a corrupt Russian organization. However IOC seems like they didn't test her at all. It seems like the passport was good enough. So Russia embarassed the IOC because the IOC likes to sniff woke farts. If you fail a testossterone test it means your doping or unatural. You would still sideline the fighter just in case. Usuallybit is doping, there are rare cases it's not. Male hormone is a PED.
Also remember boxing is based on points. So maybe she had a bad fight. Maybe not enough juice. But now that she is fueled up she is mopping the floor with ladies. She hits like a man and it's unfair they let it happen.
People did complain before….that’s why Imane was banned by the IBA
Trojan Horse.. Wake UP MAN!!
Everyone complained. He's been confirmed male again. His coach did an interview in 2023 and say he went for a third test in France which confirmed.
Sure a man can lose to a trained woman boxer, if he lacks on his own training and the women he is facing is really well trained. If the guy is just starting out and the woman has been boxing for a long time he might not last very long in the ring with her. Is she capable of really hurting him, not really because if she is trained real well she would know when he is about to be done anyway.
The doctor said, "She can be whoever/whatever she likes." Sounds like a very woke statement.
Yes, she can. But this is about fair competition in international sports.
I agree. I feel it's only right to make a decision based firmly on scientific "fact" and not on how you look, feel, present etc. Unfortunately that will mean at some point it will have to be mandatory to obtain a genetic profile from prospective competitors.
Well, he was right wit tis assertion concernig her supposed woman gender... and this "doctor" was wrong on almost everythig he said about biology.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about...
Right, the random youtube commenter knows more than the doctors. Welcome to 2024. Rip civilization
@@jgp7414 i don’t need a phd in doctorate to call out bs when I see it
Pretty amazing to diagnose a condition without even meeting someone. He didn't even need to see any test results!
@@jgp7414you act like medical knowledge is only available to whatever university this guy crawled out of.
In not one of his diagnoses does he have a shred of medical proof.
And he’s taking leaps in logic…. Because not testosterone tests were event performed by the IBA or IOC.
Also he’s accepting the fact it’s a women by their passport and not even bringing up the main argument that surrounds this about a failed Chromosome test by the IBA.
@jasonx6610 there was never a chromosome test done by the IBA, it's made up. The russian run IBA made it all up so they could make their Russian boxers win by default. They were made up. We also saw the birth certificate. The doctors are right on this one, not your random ass.
She is a female. They accused many women of being men because they had more muscles. Like: Michelle Obama, madame Macron, Serena Williams...etc
Serena got it worst. My cousin is male & they still think he's a girl
Michelle Obama does not have more muscle and just looks like a tall woman. Serena is just big and she has a female body type. Serena has been tested and she’s female. They are just Black women and White people don’t like them. Khelif does not have a female body type and she failed two female gender tests. Women’s sports must be protected because people do anything for money. It’s easy money for males to pretend to be females.
Nope he has XY chromosomes
@@thobydavis7649that doesn’t make you male automatically. The Y chromosome just has the genes that usually switch your fetal development to come out as male. But genes mutate and in the cases of those sex genes on the Y chromosome, they can mutate in a way that they still produce a female even with a Y chromosome
to give up after one punch, give up gold after 4 years hard training in just 40 seconds? A professional to make that decision? Says nothing at all to you mad gender customised freaks? Does IT have a uterus actually? This bullshit is getting out of hand, dont aspect this mad bullshit gets generalised by the majority
XY chromosomes shouldn’t fight XX. Period
How about XXY, XYX?
@@oce2u Khelif has XY and a male puberty, so the DSD he has is most probably the same that Caster Semenya has, 5 ard.
5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5αR2D) is an autosomal recessive condition caused by a mutation in SRD5A2, a gene encoding the enzyme 5α-reductase type 2 (5αR2). The condition is rare, affects only genetic males, and has a broad spectrum.
Its ok Nice time she should do something about her testosterone level before she fighs that's it
What is your source? India last news? If you dont have a source you should shut up @@lynnm6413
@@lynnm6413she didn't have male puberty......check your facts again. Research DSD
This video did not age well…
Take the gold medal back from him
Two male boxers won gold in women’s Olympic boxing. How did this happen?
Imane Khelif, a man, boxed against Angela Carini during the Olympics. Some people are upset, others are defending this, some are saying the criticism directed at Khelif is just a plot to get Algeria disqualified.
Khelif had been disqualified from professional boxing in the female category before because the IBA did two sex tests on him and the IBA claims that the results show that he is a man cheating by pretending to be a woman. Same as another controversial boxing contestant for the female category, Lin Yu-ting.
Neither of them contested their disqualification in the end which makes it even more suspicious.
The IOC discontinued all sex testing years ago, their only eligibility criteria are now whether someone has the marker for female on their passport. This is why both of the boxers were still able to participate in the Olympics.
Khelif won against his opponent after just 46 seconds. Carini took a punch to the face (there are claims he broke her nose) and forfeited the match, saying she had never been hit this hard before.
Carini was seen visibly angry and in tears, on her knees, repeatedly saying “it’s not fair”. Just like Lin Yu-ting’s opponent, she refused to shake hands. Khelif nonetheless approached her twice, smirking, and even groped her breast after winning.
A lot of people were understandably upset. The IOC issued a statement claiming that the true victims of the situation were the two male boxers.
Now, are they male? Yes.
The IBA defines “woman” as someone with XX-chromosomes, so this leads us to the conclusion that both Lin and Khelif at the very least tested positive for Xy. The test results are available to individual journalists.
Alleged childhood pictures of Khelif surfaced, showing him in pink clothes leading us to believe he was raised as a girl.
His father also presented to the public Khelif’s birth certificate that classifies him as “female”, however, strangely, the birth certificate was only issued in 2018, 19 years after his birth and right at the start of Khelif’s professional boxing career.
Both Imane’s and Lin’s passport is saying they are “female.” Many people have pointed out that a marker on a passport is not indicative of sex in the first place, since many countries have self-identification laws that allow women and men to change their legal sex marker at will. Algeria however is not one of those countries.
Now, there are few disorders of sexual development that can lead to women having Xy chromosomes. Imagine it like this: you have an X and a y and the y malfunctions in some way, leaving only the X.
One of them is Swyer syndrome, which I’ve seen people claim Khelif has. First, there’s no proof for this. Second, there are documentaries about women with Swyer syndrome and Khelif looks nothing like them. I think it’s pretty apparent from his appearance that Khelif has functioning testicles. He has a male frame, Adams apple, male muscle-to-fat ratio, a male voice and wingspan. A now scrubbed online profile of Khelif inside the IOC’s internal system revealed he has high, presumably male level testosterone. There are even pictures of his that show what is clearly male genitalia. Women with Swyer do not develop male genitalia and only produce female levels of testosterone. They also have to go on female hormone replacement therapy to go through puberty.
More claims debunked:
“The IBA is lying because uh… Russia”
The lab that did the first test is a US-American reference lab and, as well, accredited by CAP, the Northfield, Illinois-based College of American Pathologists, and certified by the ISO, the Swiss-based International Organization for Standardization. The second test was done in New Delhi and turned out identical to the first.
Besides, what kind of incentive would the Russian government have to defend an Italian boxer over an Algerian one? That makes no sense to me. Just btw, the IOC is deeply connected to the WEF. This is not a political issue though, unless we make it.
Both Taiwan and Algeria wrote to the IBA and threatened consequences were they to publish the test results.
It is also worth noting that in 2023 Khelif already accused Morocco of plotting against Algeria by supposedly “getting him disqualified.”
“She is a woman on testosterone”
Khelif is not a woman on testosterone. If that were true, “she” would have to be disqualified for doping. But apart from the fact he has Xy, women who take androgens, even the ones taking a male amount of them, still have female frames. This is me speaking from experience: just look at videos, best unedited, of women on high amounts of testosterone moving. You’ll see they look and move nothing like him, even if they have more muscle and beards.
Khelif tested positive for high testosterone before. Personally, I really wish we knew the exact range he’s in because female and male testosterone levels do not overlap, even in cases of developmental disorders that give women higher testosterone.
“She has a uterus and fallopian tubes”
False and entirely based on the fabricated claim that Khelif has Swyer syndrome.
“Khelif has lost to women before, so she must be a woman”
Even cheaters lose sometimes. And even a loser man has no place in women's boxing.
Of course, it is possible that Khelif has lost several times on purpose.
William “Lia” Thomas, who swam with the women as a man in the USA, was caught several times deliberately not paddling his legs to make the difference between himself and the women look smaller.
Here is a quote from Mexican Brianda Tamara, against whom Khelif boxed in 2022:
“When I fought with her, I felt very out of my depth; her blows hurt me a lot. I don’t think I had ever felt like that in my 13 years as a boxer, nor in my sparring with men. Thank God that day I got out of the ring safely, and it’s good that they finally realized [that he is a man].”
And from boxer Joana Nwamerue who trained with Khelif:
“[Khelif] has some kind of internal issues. But he is a man. I will stay [by] my words until he/she does a test to prove to the world that he/she is a WOMAN. But we all know that won’t happen. [Khelif’s] teammates came to me and told me ‘[Khelif] is a woman and just lives high in the mountains with her relatives and parents and so there may be a change in her testosterone or chromosomes and the like. So myself and my coach watched [Khelif] and I said ‘that can’t be possible.’ Everywhere has people living in the mountains. It’s absurd.”
Nwamerue adds that her coach replied by noting that other world and European boxing federations had implemented bans on him, and that “only the Olympics” was allowing Khelif to compete.
Rafa Lozano, former Olympic boxer and the Technical Commissioner of the Spanish boxing team:
“Whoever we put [Khelif] with was injured.”
“She was born female”
Fact is, we know he is registered as female. We don’t know why that is, but reasons could be: botched circumcision, born with ambiguous genitalia, parents wanted a girl (unlikely since transgenderism is illegal in Algeria). Personally, I think the second reason is true.
Caster Semenya is another man who competed as female, but later fathered a child with sperm from his internal testicles. Semenya has what’s called 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency. That means Semenya is a normal man whose testes just didn’t drop. In some cases, they drop later.
More things that don’t add up but aren’t proof of anything on their own:
Khelif, coming from a rural Muslim community, was never seen wearing a hijab.
There exist several pictures of him wearing a groin protector specifically for men, never for women. Right after his fight against Carini he was seen doing something on stage that many men seem to recognize as “adjusting his junk.”
Conclusion: to clear things up and avoid spreading misinformation, we should put pressure on the IOC and the athletes to undergo sex testing in a way that ensures we are getting correct unbiased results.
And yes, the media and many disingenuous people online are lying about about this situation and the athletes’ sexes.
UPDATE: Due to his victory against Anna Luca Hamori, Khelif secures a bronze medal and moves on to the semi-finals. Hamori posted an AI-generated picture before the fight showing her confronting a giant monster man. The fact that she has a lighter color in the picture, while Khelif is shown with darker skin, adds fuel to the fire of a discussion about racism that has flared up on Twitter/X.
After the fight against Lin Yu-ting that secured him bronze, Staneva, his opponent, made a double X sign with her hands.
“I only want to play with women, I am double X.”
Khelif won a gold medal, same as Lin.
Even before Khelif received the gold medal, he met with French President Emmanuel Macron. Macron promised Khelif his support. It is interesting to note that Joe Biden (USA) and Olaf Scholz (GER) also previously publicly shook hands in a similar way with men who pretend to be women and want to enter women's spaces.
During the semi-finals against Turkey's Esra Yıldız Kahraman, Lin threw several illegal rabbit punches. Rabbit punches are punches to the back of the head that are illegal in all martial arts including boxing because they have a chance to cause paralysis or death.
He first caught Kahraman at the back of the head with a big left hand that saw Kahraman stumble into the ropes and “showed no mercy” as he hit his opponent despite her facing the other way and holding her arm up.
The referee only stepped in when Lin landed one more final blow to the back of Kahraman’s head.
Despite loud boos from the crowd, Lin avoided being punished.
The IOC is copyright striking videos on RUclips showing the incident.
For comparison: These same Olympics, Vinesh Phogat, a female Indian wrestler, was disqualified from the Olympics for weighing 100 grams more than 50 kgs.
That doctor sounded very Woke. Saying she can be whoever she wants to be. Yes but we're talking about fair competition in international sports
Dr Fabulous
Maybe actually studying genetics for years makes you AWAKE not woke, to the facts.
Why THE iBA doesn't show us the results!!!
Imane khelif win a Russian boxer ...the president of IBA was a Russian !!!!! So ?????
If u have an issue with woke then this isn't the right platform for u
did you just agree with him? you said exactly what he said!
Having a mans bone density and strength gives you an extreme advantage either way. Its not Fair period, thats the only thing we give a fuck about, make it fair.
No clearly most people complained about her being a man. Nothing about advantages.
This guy is full of crap
Well, if she has a man's level of testosterone... does that make fighting with her, on par with a man? I still question whether it was fair or not. Because why is taking steroids that increases testosterone and muscle mass, not allowed, but her "natural" conditon that increases testosterone and muscle mass, is allowed?...Also, the careful and unclear wording they used to defend her...they made it sound like she was trans!! And you know what? Reguardless of whether she is trans or not, I don't like the condenscending smirk and pat on the back she gave to her crying and devastated opponent.
That’s a great question.. would she be fighting man? No that would not be fair
Life isn't fair though. Sometimes a freak of nature changes the game. Tom Brady. Babe Ruth. Pele. And of course Michael Phelps. Sirena Williams is another great example. Just someone who is far and away the best in ways that nobody can explain. And what to do about those cases. Well it's really quite simple. They win. How do you beat them? Well you do your best but a lot of times the answer is you don't.
You people are genuinely evil
@@blaisemacpherson7637 skilled and freaks of nature are different.
We have the tests to check hormone levels and sports organizations use them for a reason.
@@NickDrossos and how its fair to the female contestants with normal hormonal range to fight her ?
I came across a post discussing Iman Khalif, and I wanted to share my thoughts on it. It’s important to understand that just because Iman has higher levels of testosterone, it doesn’t make her a man. This is simply a natural condition she was born with and has no control over. Imagine if you were born with this and faced bullying because of it-how would you feel? I’m addressing those who claim to support feminism but still expect women to fit certain beauty standards. Where is your support now? To those who continue to say the Algerian boxer is a man, you’re being unfair. I hope you can empathize and understand her situation by putting yourself in her shoes.
Are you dumb?
this physician expert (in hormones ?) doesnt know a shit about 46XY with development disorders. He doesn't know a shit about androgens, He dont know a shit about rules concerning Teestosterone levels... and he did not know a shit about hyperandrogeny whose maximum levels do not overlap with the range of male levels.
When a real woman is suffering from the ovarian cysts believe me, they do not have time to go and practice boxing or play fight. This man talks nonsense!!!
Does she have testicles? I’ve heard from a doctor there is no possibility of having XY chromosomes without them.
She is a very masculine woman I have ever seen. Masculine face and jawline, masculine arms and body, masculine demeanors and the way she carries herself. Her body screams, "I AM A MAN"
So ?? Don't you know there are very feminine male !! But they are still men
You've obviously not been to Canal Street Manchester on a Saturday night...
She is an athlete, did you expect her body to look like yours?
gaby garcia
Cris cyborg
Andrade
Amanda nunes, etc
It is common in woman sport combat => mostly doping.
@@mariaxesfyngi professional athletes should be willing to expose their weight, gender and hormone level tests to the public
What is this doctor’s name? What doctorate degree does he have?
Damn if u fact check everything he says it's actually spot on! Google "pcos athletes" then Google "hyperandrogenism" and read about it and it's correlation with pcos.
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He is a consultant he is endocrinologist
She did fail test
@garagebob3171 Today would be a good day to get a new chromosome test and provide answers.
All of this begin when Iman win against a Russian boxer the president of IBA also is a Russian, when Iman beat the Russian boxer, the president of IBA excluded her to put the Russian boxer in the final of the world championship in place of Iman, if Iman was really a man for which IBA let her fight until in the final
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Spot on, why did they allow her to enter the competition at all. Secondly they awarded 100K to the italian girl, wtf. They really pushing their narrative to discredit IOC, probably for banning russia?
This is just the motivation for them to test her, in reality she has the problem with her gender, so as long as the result of her testing is real, we don't need to care if the Russian has something dark here.
if you had just spent 2 seconds researching instead of repeating nonsense you would know Khelif was never set to cross a Russian in the tournament. They invented this to discredit IBA, which was easily picked up by lazy people like yourself.
It has since been confirmed that Khelif is male with a DSD. Should have been disqualified from women’s sports from the start.
Prove it! Take a test Imane.
She has DSD, so external sexual organs is female but may have undescended testes which produce testosterone. She had genetic tests that revealed she has XY chromosomes (which makes her genetic male).
Xy chromosomes.. No uterus.. Testicles inside the body..
Total expert here lady's and gentlemen
If she has developed more male features as she is developing (humans keep developing into their 20s) then it seems that for this sport the biggest question is does she now have a male muscular structure. Male muscles are stronger and faster than a females (assuming the same level of training) which gives an unfair advantage in a female competition. I'm glad that they mentioned this.
This is definitely a tricky one...but I have to agree. She's female, she's not doping or cheating in any way; she's just naturally more fit for this sport. I agree with comparing it to Michael Phelps-what should he have done, changed his muscle and bone structure to put him on the same level as the other swimmers? Along with black people being better on average in many sports. Their bodies are just naturally better attuned for athletics. Nobody's saying it's not fair for black people and other races to compete together.
The only thing is that if she knew she could have gotten treatment but didn't, and knew that would give her an advantage in her sport..then it gets a little more complicated. But at the end of the day that's a personal choice which she may have made for other reasons too, and she shouldn't have to change her body just to be able to compete.
It's also important to note that it's not like she's gotten to this point just by having stronger muscles. Like, she still had to work hard and develop other skills rather than just brute strength. So it seems to me that she's not only strong but also honestly good at what she does; she's trained for it like everyone else. That's just how it is in sports; you can't get upset if other people do better than you. You just gotta try _your_ best.
Just because Imane was born different, she shouldn't be denied the opportunity to compete in her sport. I can see why it's an issue if she has more testosterone than the average woman but less than the average man...like where does she belong. It would be nice if there was a whole separate category for trans/intersex etc athletes, but there probably aren't enough of them. :/
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Keep the comments shorter next time. No one wants to read your Novels
You have no evidence Khalef is female.
I do
@@harshmnr what is Imane was born a man?
In The small poor village she come from ...they don't know there is a treatment ... she was selling bread in the street as a child to pay for the bus to go to her box training. You understand nothing about the place she is coping from
Why bring on a medical doctor if you're note even going to address the actual issue, is the athete intersex with XY chromosomes? or not? Calling her a woman without defining what that means is pointless
All the nine times that she lost she was a female, now that she's won she automatically becomes a man..😂 Africa and the whole world is proud of you mama❤❤❤
For both Khelif and Lin, the New Delhi test - conducted by independent firm Dr Lal PathLabs, the IBA revealed on Monday - consists of three sides. The first page contains, along with basic identifying information for each athlete and the date and time of sample collection, a summary of the results - "abnormal" - and an interpretation - "chromosome analysis reveals a male karyotype." The second page contains a photographic representation of the 22 paired autosomes and then, for each athlete, additionally shows the X and Y chromosome. The third page explains that the laboratory is a "national reference laboratory" and also accredited by CAP, the College of American Pathologists, located in Northfield in the state of Illinois and certified by ISO, the Swiss International Organization for Standardization.
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@@blackdacode21 XY chromosomes means you’re applauding a man beating a woman in an area setting.
Toxic masculinity is real
@@jakotaki8219 There were no such tests done. Stop lying!
❤ Thanks for Clearifying Media Nonsense around it
She has 50 fights with 6 KO's. Does that sound like an absolute powerhouse KO artist? Does that sound like someone who "hits harder than the men do." Tyson had 44 Ko's in his 58 fights and we still can't decide if he's the hardest hitting boxer. This girl has 6 losses as well, 6 other women have managed to beat her. This one quit, then cried and we are just supposed to give her a gold medal? Someone got too many participation trophies growing up.
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Professional women Boxers - am I joke to you ?
XY chromosome 😆
@@therealtonyt2538 ehh you mean Anne Wolfe.
Why can't the speaker just let the person completely finished before they start talking
BS. "She" has XY chromosomes which high school basic biology says is strictly MALE. I am a female who had PCOS until I had my FULL hysterectomy that removed my uterus AND ovaries. But before I had my female reproductive organs removed I had breast's & didn't have a body that LOOKS like a man's. Give me a break doc. Once they test your chromosomes the test results won't change at a later date. I'm not a doctor but I'm not an idiot either. 2 sides to sided to every story???? To that I say you're close... the sides are XX or XY.
They should be reported these people on this podcast. Stop talking about something you do not know. Shut up!!!
This guy is talking bs
XX fight XX. XY fight XY.
Thank you 🙏
Well that's just crazy enough to work! 😮
How about XXY / XYX?
What is your source? Hope it is not India news
Not when the Y in XY is not working and X took over.
She is a strong women and she have talent that is the real thing
As was the most likely from the outset, Khelif is a biological male with 5-ARD with 46XY karotype, as proven by medical records. Khelif did not have PCOS because Khelif does not have ovaries. This expert was beginning his speculation from the mistaken assumption that Khelif was biologically female, which has been proven by the records is not the case. We'll see if this channel or this expert updates this interview.
Who is this "expert" I have PCOS. I found out in my late 20s and wasn't offered any treatment.
Sorry not female ...
1. Khelif was born with xy chromosomes with DSD 5-ARD deficiency.. Internal testes and no ovaries ... As such, Khelif was misassigned at birth as a female .. same as Caster Semenya and Brittany Griner ...
2. When Khelif reached puberty, his xy chromosomes kicked in (specifically the y chromosome) releasing normal male levels of testosterone from internal testes and resulting in all the attributes associated with being a male (muscle mass, bone density, lung capacity, larger heart, broader shoulders, deeper voice, etc) .. just look at the video of Khelif walking around Paris .. major broad shoulders and a typical male gait ..
3. In 2023, Khelif was banned by the IBA for not meeting the female division sex requirements .. ie. Not having xx chromosomes ... Khelif initially appealed this decision but then abandoned it .. when a simple cheek swab would easily prove whether Khelif was xx or xy ... The fact Khelif chose NOT to fight the IBA ban or take this simple test is very telling, if not damning .. hiding behind a dubious passport is not proof of anything..
4. In 2024, Khelif decides to compete as a woman in the Olympics, knowing the IOC has a loophole in not requiring actual proof that women are xx chromosomal.. Instead, a passport will do, which is zero proof at all !
5. Any empathy for Khelif I had disappeared upon learning he is gaming the system by KNOWING he is xy chromosomal and STILL deciding to use his xy size/muscle/power advantage to beat up xx women .. the power advantage difference between men and women is massive (one paper cited a 162% difference!) ..
6. The IOC banned Caster Semenya in the 2024 Olympics for having naturally high testosterone (but ignoring why this is occurring ie. xy chromosomes) ... yet allows Khelif, Lin, and Griner to compete ... the inconsistency is mind-boggling
7. Algeria should be ashamed knowing full well they are exploiting the IOC's incompetence and willful woke ignorance, instead of actual solid recognized facts and science.
8. Their egregious decision (IOC) could lead to serious injuries, or even death, to actual xx female athletes. It's just insane.
Some men have differences in sexual development that result in external ambiguous genitalia. We dont know what sex imane is without a DNA and gynecological exam by a male DSD specialist. We just dont know.
CIO released the result 2 days ago. She has XX cariotype. She is a woman genitically. And externally also as in algeria you cant change your sex afterwards.
All pictures and documents when she was a child show she was considered a woman.
5% of women have more testostérone than the average. Yet they are women. Examples: women with kyste on ovaries.
*S*He has the body looking like mine 😲 and I have origins from Algeria..
@TheGrandy123 What is your source? I have seen no evidence khalef did a genetic test.
@@TheGrandy123 source?
@@TheGrandy123 some may have more testosterones yes? To the level of male counterpart? Absolutely no.
Congratulations to Imane Khelif on her incredible achievement in winning the gold medal at the Paris Olympics! Despite facing unjust criticism and misinformation, she has proven her strength, determination, and undeniable talent. It's time for those who doubted and attacked her to apologize and recognize the greatness of this phenomenal athlete. Imane's success is a victory for all women in sports, and she deserves nothing but respect and admiration for her hard-fought journey to the top. Keep shining, Imane!
So sad many idiots and judgemental hatred in this world. So sorry for her.
Be careful what u wish for, next step is just a guy identifying as a woman and he will be able to compete
Banning a women is like banning a tall basketball player from basketball.
Демогогия, с такой логикой можно отменит гендерные различия в спорте. Кому то повезло родится мужчиной
@@nicklegend2271 False. There are no categories for tall and short basketball players, but there are for men and women. Every person can take advantage of their natural abilities, but you can’t take advantage of males advantages in the female category.
It's not really professional speech for a Hornom specialist. What degree does he hold ? He didn't know the normal range for testosterone level
She is going to have a starring role in the Olympic closing ceremony from what I hear.
According to the IBA, the boxers genetic test came back as male, meaning XY chromosomes.
The only inference is that developmental disorder affecting the normal expression of genes.
When born, the boxer probably appeared as mostly female and was raised as such.
Based on present phenotype, the boxer certainly seems to I have developed male physical characteristics
Each sport should have the authority to regulate the criteria for qualifying to compete as a female using relevant clear and objective criteria, as opposed to being guided buy some extraneous political ideology.
The notion that anyone listed as female on their passport is female with no questions asked is ridiculous. Imagine Mike Tyson shows up with a passport indicating female?
Did you examine him!!!
The whole situation is nuts!
This is your own so called “culture” stop accusing the other side of it the one who are completely against it
So he’s an endocrinologist?
It’s against the law to disclose people’s medical records. The IBA had the tests done by an accredited lab. In the news conference they spoke of how Khelif and the other boxer have male ‘carriers’. To a specialist they would understand that this means they have tested XY meaning their are male. Both boxers signed the documents acknowledging the results. Both boxers were given the opportunity to contest the results (which would mean more testing) and both refused to contest. Stop lying about this issue and start being concerned about women.
Please take this down. This is misinformation to the highest degree. This man does not know what he’s talking about.
Absolutely! People have genetically factor that give them advantages and it’s obviously ok. You’re not going to disqualify a swimmer because he has bigger lungs. Why would you disqualify a woman because she has higher testosterone (not induced)
She IS a biological....Women and she IS a good boxer.....she win because she IS a great boxer
OK, but you do you have proof of her biological gender, or do you believe anyone who identifies as a woman should be aloud to compete in women's sports?
This dude is just guessing. How hard is it really just for them to be honest? All this mystery doesn’t help their arguement they are female, if anything lying and hiding makes it seem they cheated
No it wasnt a higher testosterone. It was chromosome test
Ok send us official proofs im waiting
I hope its not something u concluded ur self cuz u will be a walking piece of trash
This story is so absurd, Made Khelif a superwoman. She been doing this sport past 6 years no one talk about her , first Olympics no one heard about her . In many fights she lost and no one talk about it .
Now when a crying baby , quite the ring after 46 second , she became a superwoman .
“Hormone specialist” lmao. I was expecting better than this even of this guy is a hormone specialist.
U were expecting him to support you in thinking she's a man
Get an actual expert.
This expert has WAY oversimplified the DSD's and unless he's seen Khalif's genetic profile (which nobody has except the OIC and IBA) and done a physical examination, he can't say for sure what her sex status is.
Algerian here. Imane khelif is a WOMAN. No ifs, no buts, no nothing. Changing your gender is NOT allowed in Algeria (its illegal) and its very looked down upon. She didn’t even win all of her matches! It’s obvious that this is a smear campaign that was started by her opponents. She should honestly sue the people who started it.
Pero existen los trastornos del desarrollo sexual, estudia sobre esto.
Khelif will never sue because she will lose
man if the man knew how to communicate better, it would help tremendously.
A bloke beating up sheilas.
Correction, asking as you are not the one who conduct the medical examinations on him and you don't have the firsthand knowledge of the medical result it's not the hormones the reasons that why Imane Khelif desqualify in 2023 world boxing championship just make more research.
All comments turned off on his / Her? Highlights...mummy wonder why
Hes confirmed male. His coach did an article in 2023 and says he did a third test in France that also failed.
Why noone said a single world about the one from Thailand who fought with her???? Just look at her.
Issue is with all kinds of movements that are in our era that Olympic Games are outdated, this level of competition has no answer for the current situation? Getting T through a needle is unfair but having it naturally that is out of a norm is? Why double standards? Competitive sports has always been discriminatory in a sense that people either fit in one pole or another and that selection makes the game fair to the rest. Nobody would argue if other ladies with higher T or xy chromosomes would compete with each other. Equality movements got out of hand, and flocking this horse is unethical just because you have a female passport, (most intersex do), its visibly not an unfair game and khalif can be anyone in her personal life but as an athlete its a different story. Its not fair, for the same reason why not eliminating the age limit as well to watch adult people beating up children. Khalif attitude is fishy saluting like a soldier but crying about inequality in interviews.
I think ppl should be fighting within testosterone ranges just like weight ranges. I know, it sounds silly, but you can't take T at the olympics for a reason. It's incredibly powerful. And for contact sports, it could endanger someone's life. If you have 4 times more T than the average female, you will win. It's like, why are we even bothering with the match? It's a guarantee. You watch boxers that are equally matched because you can actually watch their strategy. I wouldn't watch two very skilled boxers fight each other if one is twice the size. There's no art to winning for them. It's gonna last, well, 40s and be over.
They should start with checking for common things like the external genitals, gonads and physiological functions like menstruation. I don't understand why in this case people have to be political.
He went 5-0 in every match he fought in. Incredible, never knew a guy could dominate like this.
Go through years of training and than lets talking dummy
Iman Khalif is a strong woman, and anyone who attacks her cannot tolerate this
Iman Khalif, the strong woman who exposed racists and those who claimed to defend women
Don't be afraid, she's just a strong woman
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@@anumidyugarten7095 strong like a man.
Must be HER illegal levels of testosterone in the FEMALE division. 🤡🌎
@anumidyugarten7095 no one is discussing Imane's race.
You mean your KING hhhh, pathetic
The doctor's logic is at fault when applied to sports. Of course, anyone can use their natural advantages. If you have super long arms and play basketball, good for you. There are no leagues for long and short arms, so it's not an issue. But in this case, there are categories for male and female. So the question "in regard to sports" is not if Amine is male or female, but if she has the male advantages or not. This is sport, not social life and personal identity.
You don't believe what you're saying. By your logic, you wouldn't mind if a trans woman competed with women if their westerners levels were low ebough. Do you believe that?
What??? Well then it doesn't make sense to call it Men's Basketball or Women's Basketball now does it? We're going to have to change it to Masculine Basketball or Feminine Basketball, which certainly doesn't sound as good right? So I hope now conservatives at least finally see that this issue isn't as black and white as they were making it seem. You can't have a binary division based on some thing that actually exists on a spectrum.
@@CMD619 No need for an agenda here. This has nothing to do with LGBTQ. If a human is born with 4 fingers, I think we can still teach biology saying humans have 5 fingers.
@@CMD619 Men are adult human males, women are adult human females. You sounds completely confused.
There are two ways to see it. 1-We might say like the IBA that chromosomes decide your sexe and that’s it. 2-We might allow some sexe ambiguity for intersex people and think chromosomes, while the most important marker, is not the only one, but a set of parameters need to be considered. In both cases, Imane doesn’t pass the test because even if we accept ambiguity in regards to Amine’s sexe, the male advantages Amine had did result in higher testosterone levels that visibly shaped Amine’s body and strength. So I’m not saying that sexe ambiguity exists. It might be that chromosomes are all we need. But what I’m saying is that even if we do accept the idea of ambiguity like this doctor says, Amine still doesn’t pass the test because obviously, testosterone has had it’s effet on Amine in producing some male advantages.
I have saw a beautiful women in Instagram, but her voice like a male voice, but she still look like normal women. Then I believe that shen is normal women, because she never act like drag queen.
How do you explain that she lost already 9 fights to other women fighter? Why only black men were lined in the 100m race? The french basket ball player was 2.30m tall should we set a limit to basket ball players hight? If its natural why make the change through treatment?
Serina Williams the famous tennis woman has big muscles too.
@@DZ-hp5qc and terribly lost against a low ranked male tennis players.
She does not look like a man but a woman with a very good physique.
Lie
Did they test the chromosomes?
I’m not sure…what they tested her
@@salimsaad9725 well that wouldn’t fit the Olympic opening ceremony agenda
Nobody knows the test that was conducted to exclude her from the IBA. Also the IBA is corrupt
@@salimsaad9725 IBA says yes
@@salimsaad9725 not the olympics 2024 panel no
IF she is an xx real female with naturally high testosterone, or a condition causing it, fine. But Semanye has DSD is xy and was banned. Semanye is allowed to compete if he reduces his testosterone medically. (he tried but it made him ill) If Imane has xy chromosomes it's THE SAME THING! The doctor is guessing here. They could have been born with 'micro peni$' a medical term. Doctors will assign female in most cases. The only way to stop the guessing is testing.
Women's sports depends on this! This interview was based on pure assumptions. IBA claims xy and male testosterone levels. If IOC are going to say IBA lied, prove it!!
Semanye is not XY. If she was, she would be a man. To my understanding, she is XXY. She is still a woman with DSD, not a man contrary to what you're claiming.
We don't know about Khelif chromosomes. The IBA "test" is very very dubious, especially considering all the cases of corruption with this organization. But even if she was XXY, the mandatory hormone treatment is only for Athletics, not other sports.
@@daedalronI should have said "she", referring to Semanye. I didn't actually call "her" a man though. (I understand your correction there, but that's a whole other topic.) Like you say, there are no actual results to go on. If the IOC has made the decision not to test, and since they over rule any Olympic events, individual categories won't matter anyway. Almost any event could be effected by testosterone. As it stands, there is no method to exclude
even 100% biological men.
@@laurykristensen6239 When I said you claimed Semenya as a man, that was based on you calling her "he" instead of "she". I take now your clarification into account.
Semenya is technically an intersex individual with female genitalia (and therefore assigned female at birth). Khelif might be in the same situation, but there are no official confirmation from reliable sources.
"Almost any event could be affected by testosterone"
That's true, but that's also the case of plenty of other natural advantages an athlete can have over others. Being born tall is a huge advantage for basket or volleyball, for example. Having slightly longer arms to body ratio also helps for combat sports to give more reach.
Why would we consider some natural advantages legal (body shape for ex), and some illegal (higher testosterone level)?
@@daedalron You literally have no clue what you are talking about. Caster Semenya has 5a reductase deficiency, a DSD that ONLY AFFECTS MALES. You understand? ONLY MALES have the condition that Caster Semenya has, so 100% NOT a woman. You can look up the condition and the fact that Semenya has this, it will take 10 seconds to confirm that you are completely wrong.
I wish Imane Khelif would sue the russian IBA because they obviously wanted to exclude her just to give a chance to their favorite Russian boxer. They disqualified her without even giving a proof reports that support tgeir claims in 2023.
I doubt she is able to sue alone, it is not free. Amateur boxers rarely get paid and olympic boxing is an amateur league, not pro. If you win a medal in the olympics, you get paid whatever your own country decides to pay you. The olympics give you a medal but no prize. The IBA now claims she withdrew her appeal. She did not withdraw. She just did not pay when asked to pay legal costs so the appeal case was dropped on her. She was 23 back then and from a humble background. But Algeria ought to step in.
It is very plain from watching the actual fights that she is not "a dude". The fights were not mismatched. She did not just show up and suckerpunch everyone. The haters are delusional or mean. I do not know the biology here but no way she is just a normal man or even close. It is not hard to see in the fights. She is also a woman down there. I do not know why people insist on shaming this woman who in the worst case has some sort of medical condition that barely gives an advantage, and who might also just be a good boxer.
Imane Khelif accepted to be called man 2023. Which woman would accept that other then trans`?
@@olboe2008 You are making it up.
@@fomobull4187 if he has XY whould this change your position?
@@olboe2008 I do not like all this speculation. The IOC should clarify the qualification rules, apply them equally to all athletes and be clear about what the rules are and mean. Right now the rules seem unclear and there are conflicting statements. Women are already protected by the referee. They need to clarify the rules to avoid fake politicisation of sports.
She said she will pursuit a Law case against some people and some federation ...her lawyers confermed that... Hope she will get herself some more money from all this.
Specialist who don't actually know or seen her tests. Just guessing.
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I am more confused even 5mins in.
But is the controversy around Testosterone levels or is it around the boxer having XY chromosomes?
The controversy is about the ioc disregarding the need for scientific testing for gender in womans sports, they rather go by how someone is identified on their passport than to find out the truth
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What about failed chromosome
IT has XY chromosome and is NOT a woman!
XXY
Neither are you!
@rainygirl777 women with Xxy are still women and their body actually converts the testosterone into estrogen. Cry harder
@@rainygirl777 you would fail a biology test with this reply
@@tiathompson6674Down syndrome?
Why we have no rule before?
Because 100 years ago, she would have been pressured by society to deal with her condition - to be actually feminine, because her 1st priority would be to make family and bear children
But now she can play with her condition to her advantage and think that this is healthy and fair
But will "her" condition give you XY chromosomes when tested ? That also explains the elevated testosterone and the multiple images of "her" in male sporting protection equipment.
Two clowns speaking about something they don't even grasp
Its a loophole that gives the bixer an unfair advantage. Chromosomes don't lie
What is your source about zy chromosome ? First you said trans than now you said xy a man ??
When has ventolin punched a women??? What a load of bullshit
He just disregard the XY chromosomes and changes during puberty.