Why was Sauron Evil? - Sauron's Philosophy | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth
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- Sauron wasn't always an evil tyrant for he actually started off as a benevolent spirit with good intentions who wished to help and guide the free people of Middle-Earth. However he was too impatient to fulfill his plans and he chose to follow Morgoth the First Dark lord, for he admired his efficiency, skills and speed. What exactly drove Sauron to abandon the Valar and follow Morgoth, and how did Sauron's philosophies, ambitions and beliefs change over time?
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Maybe he was rejected from an art school in Valinor
Nice hitle r reference
lol
Tbh Hitler’s art wasn’t bad if you look at it without thinking “fuck Hitler”
A good description of Melkor's motive.
That was funny but I bet most did not get it. Maybe because most aren't old enough or don't watch enough History Channel unlike me LOL. It never ceases to amaze me how far Hitler got.
"For he was not as evil as his master Morgoth in only that he served another and not himself in the beginning of his corruption."- Tolkien describes the difference in evils of Morgoth and Sauron.
Good or evil saurons armour is easily the coolest armour I’ve seen in any movie or game
I agree full heartedly
Correct. He is the most threatening looking character I have ever seen.
Agreed
Artorias and ringed city knight form dark soul
It reminds me of the daedric armour from skyrim
Is it weird to say sauron viewed the world as nothing more than raw material to shape into a perfect form? Like a diamond set into a golden ring for example. Or even the forging of a jewel encrusted sword. As he was after all a smith of Aulë. I'm sure sauron had a greater perspective on what can be described as raw materials in the greater world. Raw materials that only required a bit of hammering apon an anvil to become what he deemed perfect. Which could also be another example of why he chose mordor. It being a land of fire, stone, and ash. I'm sure he felt right at home as any blacksmith would.
but he was himself a spirit.
you might be right, and that philosophy would explain why he caused so much chaos.
"sin as such does not exist, but you commit sin when you act in ways that are adulterous to your true nature and create disturbances."
-said Someone once.
2020 attests to that truth, as we're both form and spirit.
Sauron was pure spirit. so his disturbances were greater.
we bipeds have had to combine ours and pass them down thru the ages to achieve this kind of chaos.
God we could do so much better.
@Joseph Norm Don't u know English?
In the second age at the absolute peak of his power when he effectively ruled Numenor and nearly all of middle earth, the whole of his plan amounted to building a temple where morgoth was worshipped and people made human sacrifices to Morgoth along with launching a war directly against the Valar.
I would say he viewed the world as morgoth did. That he was fighting a war to drive all the influence of the Valar out of middle earth by controlling and/or ruining everything. Morgoth could fight that war at the level of the literal matter of the world by driving his power into it. Sauron fought that same war with his lesser power through the rings and by corrupting others through the rings.
@@anniewilson9186 where do you get your weed?
@Joseph Norm because it demonstrates order and will towards an end, like beauty and symmetry. The fact you can recognize complex mathematics as ethereal concepts in your mind, and don't need to touch them physically, is enough proof you are well equipped to sense the immaterial and tell order and chaos apart. We are well endowed, embrace the gift.
I do wonder if during the First Age Morgoth the being who invented lying and taught Sauron the art of deception if he tricked Sauron into believing that Morgoth's goals were the same or compatible with Sauron's.
Very clever thought , that is quite possible in all seriousness
I think its kinda nice how Sauron was always interested in jewelry 💚
@@Diogolindir ;)
Morgoth: Divine Comedy Satan
Sauron: Paradise Lost Satan
Excellent
Kinda
This is a perfect example
Mm, neat comparison
Sauron is a good being that was blind to his own short comings and thus the results of his actions worked counter to his goals.. had he distanced himself, tempered his patience and kept at it.. he would be more like gandalf.
Gandalf? Gandalf...
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oooooooooooooooooooooh Gandalf! I remember!...the pointy one...
Sauron has one of the most interesting arcs in all middle earth. Do you have a video on Sauron in the first age? Maybe not enough material.
I'm working on covering Sauron's history soon, though each 'age' will probably have it's own video because otherwise it would be way too long :)
@@GeekZoneMT look forward to it
@@GeekZoneMT I love long videos!!! I watch these when I work out or walk. It’s nice to have long ones not just clicking for new ones 😁
"No one person should have absolute power." I love the lessons you draw from Tolkien's works. Keep up the great work on these videos!
I'm having trouble accepting the notion that Morgoth is an admirer of "Chaos." While he does try to corrupt the Music, it's not in an attempt to abolish it, but to dominate it. Similarly, he doesn't wish to destroy the silmarils, but to possess them. He does destroy the Trees, but probably because they're not portable, in accordance with the Villians' Prime Directive, "if I can't have it..."
Sauron: “For The Greater Good”
Grindewald : “For The Greater Good”
Thanos: “For The Greater Good”
Ra's al Ghul: “For The Greater Good”
I think we’ve just about had enough of the greater good thanks! 😅
Frozone: “For The Greater Good”
Dr. Fauci - "For the Greater Good"
Morgoth: " For The Greater Bad"
Joe Biden: "Forgot what's good"
@@xenochrist15 No politics thanks
Loved the use of Gehrman, The First Hunter's theme in this video.
Thanks man, that theme really left an impression on me while playing through the game!
What's the track that's at the 3 minute mark?
@@GeekZoneMT You might be interested in the soundtracks of From's older games. I highly recommend the OS from their King's Field series. King's Field IV's *Mansion of the Howling Winds* and *Dark Reality* tracks are outstanding.
It's one of the dwarven themes from the battle for middle earth II game
I think that it's important to remember that during the music of the Ainur, Morgoroth was attempting to follow in the footsteps of his father (Iluvatar) by creating equal and opposing music. When Ilu ended the music and scorned Morgoroth, he felt remorse not anger. It was this shame that would later calcify into Morgoroth's desire to rule all living things, but the core of that desire was shame- not evil. Much like a bit of sand between the membrane of an oyster that later becomes a pearl, Morgoroth's hatred stems from a nugget of shame; not evil. After the music has ceased Ilu states that all Morgoroth's attempts to overcome the theme of Ilu only served to complete ilu's purpose. Something like: "Even as the cold and bitter winter will freeze life giving water, it will fall from the sky and eventually bring respite to the arid lands, bringing forth life where there was none. So it is in the shame he feels, not his own evil desire, that all he does is actually in the service of Ilu that Morgoroth yearns for dominance. To be as is father is; not to oppose him. But that's the flaw of Morgoroth. In his own mind Ilu is the master of the universe; not simply the creator. But as all whom seek dominance learn (one way or another) it is in creation where the true power lies, not dominance.
Morgoth after being defeated: "You fools! My beloved Sauron will end what I couldn't finish!"
Sauron: *Gets defeated by a deformed hobbit*
Morgoth: "Last time I trust in a scholar"
Don't disrespect Hobbits man :'(
@@GeekZoneMT Their feets creeped me out when I was little
Ok that's a valid point to be fair!
@@TetsuShima He was NOT defeated by any Hobbit. Technically Hobbits were failed. Lol According to Tolkien, it was Illuvatars himself who caused gollum to fell into the lava with the ring
@@_semih_ gollum was the one to destroy it as it was hinted in both the movies, as gandalf said to bilbo you must not know how to kill but how to spare a soule, so gollum was the chosen one the one who was corrupted by the precious, i dont like Gollum he friked me out.
Been binging these videos over the last week or two. I hadn't read The Silmarillion in a long time, I had forgotten just how deep the lore and messages are in the world of Middle Earth.
But at least Sauron created thousands of jobs and was the best economic manager in Middle Earth
All orcs were guaranteed by law one liter of mud water daily. Mud water is a basic human right.
@@adamboyle3331 orc right*
1:58 I can definitely see that in reality I work as a 3d printing service which is basically modern craftsmanship and there is definitely a perfectionist aspect especially when I have to make my own models to print I don't think I'll ever turn into a evil person but I definitely see how that is a logical pathway to evil
Yeah! I especially with the eagerness to complete our creations, which can lead to the end justifying the means!
@@GeekZoneMT I mean yeah especially since some prints can take multiple days and as such I'll need to make more supports and a bigger raft so that it doesn't fall apart half way through as such wasting time and filament which is always in desperate need but the more I add the longer it takes and as such the other orders will be delayed this is kinda like setting up roads and trains incase theirs a breakdown there needs to be an alternative path to prevent anarchy
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Or run out of filament 16 hours in shortly after you decided to get some rest.
@@eds1942 has been known to happen though I'm quite good at estimating
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal
My slicer program tells me how much I need, but I’m a noob.
Imagine Sauron with a 3D printer. I should try to replicate the Dwarfish rings at 30% infill this time.
I really hope the Amazon show dives deeply into Sauron’s motivations and character. There’s so much they can do there.
Nope , they’ll screw it up just like Star Wars
It will. Sauron will be a white supremacist driven by his hatred of the LGBTQ+ and trans POC of Middle Earth. Enjoy!
@@allenwilhelm7799 yeah really though.
'I really hope the Amazon show dives deeply into lotr'
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oh you poor (dumb) soul...
I hope the amazon show gets cast back into the fire chasm from whence it came
Bro, im speechless , this is your the BEST video so far. While others just covering facts from the books about Sauron, you created the whole philosophy.
This was your top tier work so far.
Well done.
Cheers man, but all of this info is from the books :)
@@GeekZoneMT I know, but you covered it very well.
The other lesson of Sauron: the world is not relying on any one person, or even organization, to save it. This is where that dangerous "for the greater good" mentality comes from in the first place.
Your parroting the typical modern attitude of Liberalism. Shouldn't the outcome of an action be considered as to whether it is moral or not? If the ends don't justify the means, why should the means justify the ends?
@@kurtjohnston8370 Chicken egg dilemmas quite often are distractions from actual causal origins and the questions that desperately need to be asked.
What precisely is this Greater good to be decided on?
Who is qualified/justified to decide on both defining and acting in the name of this greater good?
Is there only one or many greater goods or even any good at all?
Does context matter in deciding what is good?
How long should the greater good take?
Is coercion ever justified?
ETC.
Waaay before we are argue about the dilemma and is results, we need to be dissecting its base assumptions and flensing clear its epistemological foundations.
@@waylander7777 LOTR lore has Eru Illuvatar, there exists Moral Objectivism at the Ontological level. Real world, Phenomenologically speaking every person has belief systems about Morality of an action and outcome, it is just where they order/privilege that and so Absolutism v Consequentialism is just a false dichotomy.
@@kurtjohnston8370 Sounds like an appeal to authority to me and that's somewhat of a logical fallacy. Any moral framework has to rest on the strength of its own internal structure rather than simply the omniscience of the progenitor.
A false dichotomy being somewhat more relevant if absolutism vs Consequentialism were what is being posited. (by myself). I am making a more existentialist point driven by causality as the modus operandi. This can occur within most if not any possible scenario including LOTR.
@@waylander7777 This is quite old but.
The greater good is the most positive outcome for the most people or „beings“ in the world, it’s determined by logic and comes from analyzing the state of the world without the influence of Morals, doing what has to be done and not what is right or good.
Life is chaotic, and that is why pure order always ends up as tyranny, because to keep living beings in cheek, you have to make them go against their primal nature.
There is a difference between a good force and a simply positive force from a viewpoint without morals.
But pure Order will always eradicate intelligent life, because intelligent sentient life is always the most chaotic.
Which is why tyrants mostly surround themselves with the greedy and dull, who can be steered easily.
It can be absolutely wonderful when powerful people say "I do not know"
Yeah, and very rare! :p
We as humans hate the idea of not knowing, because it's a sign of being humble. And we, as prideful beings, wish to be seen as wise, and so become full of pride. I forget which of the Greek philosophers said it but the quote goes like " And the Oracle said that I was the widest of all the Greeks, but I said that I alone know nothing"
I've read that the more you know with the more confidence you can admit that you do not know something.
@@Dunarcarn he was Socrates.
Interesting perspective. I'd always seen Sauron as utterly malevolent without a hint of goodness in him but this implies that he was well intentioned.
Gerard Guzzo he may have thought his goals were noble, but don't think that Sauron is an anti villain at all. He is a sadistic manipulative genocidal monster. But yes he is more complex than many people assume
Sauron broke down, not only by power, but by spirit, when Isildur cut his ring. It contained to big part of his soul.
From that time on, he was newer able to be use the indirect methods of Annatar, but only pure military power.
He did not have joint military headquaters, but managed everything by himself. This is why he failed to understand the possibity of destruction of his ring.
The Sauron of 2nd age would not have been fooled so easilly.
I find it likely that morgoth didn't actually want to kill everything because the silmarion is written from the perspective of the elves which would be very hostile and a bias so it is entirely possible that he and sauron had the same philosophy
In the book Morgoth's Ring, Tolkien actually says that Morgoth would never have been happy until he destroyed the entirety of Arda (including the Orcs!). This is why at the end of the day his goal was pointless, because no matter what he did, he could never completely eradicate it, the most he could do was turn it into a mass of a chaos.
@@GeekZoneMT ah I see
Morgoth wanted the power to create something from nothing, which only Eru was able to do, and everything Morgoth made was ultimately an imitation. The fraudulence of what he was doing, along with growing anger from losing to the Valar time and again and growing weakness, madness and fear from losing his power over time (since in order to bring life to his creations he had to actually impart his essence into them, and he wasn't able to replenish this while being at odds with Eru), caused him to become more spiteful and hateful towards everything in existence, reduced to such petty acts of villainy as stealing the Silmarils (even though they actually burned him the whole time they were in his possession) simply because they were shiny and pretty.
In a way, Morgoth is more like Hitler than Sauron ever was- he was a frustrated artist, driven by envy, hatred and bitterness at his own failures. I think it's less that Morgoth consciously wanted to destroy everything, just that this is the path he was headed down, while Sauron would have simply tried to control everything. In fact Tolkien didn't say that Morgoth wouldn't be happy until he destroyed everything, but that he would be driven to destroy everything and he wouldn't be happy even then- if he reduced everything to dust, he would still hate the dust.
Jonathan Campbell my understanding of Morgoth is that he first wanted to rule everything, and make his own world(which I'm sure would have been a living hell because Morgoth is Pure Evil), but when he realized he could not, he decided to annihilate all of existence out of sheer spite, he hated everything that was not his. IMO Morgoth is one of the most evil characters ever, second to AM.
@@jonathancampbell5231 My god. What an overtly nihilistic person. It’s kind of unrealistic.
Your voice is so calming, you should be the audiobook voice for tolkien work
Great video as always dude - Love hearing Dark Elf music!
This is by far my favourite video of yours so far and I hope to see more Sauron related content in the future. In my opinion, he is definitely one of the most fascinating characters ever created
Sauron may have existed in the 'Light' & wanted a 'good' world but his 'vision' of how things should work didn't match the way the world of people actually did work. And he no doubt had personality traits that would lead him into dark evil.
Great video. For years I wanted some context between Saurons and Morgoths relationship. I got it little bit here.
Nice video! Thanks!
One minor thing about the ring: Sauron was right in that none could resist it. It got destroid by 'fate' or 'chance' but not by Frodo. He actively refused to destroi it in the end. All who had posession of the ring could not resist it. And all who did lile Galadriel and Faramir did not really posess it they did not take it. Smal but relavant detail.
Wow i learned something new about middle earth today, thats what i love about your videos. Never immagined sauron had an amazing back story like this.
Fit into Tollkiens dislike of modern technologys that most of the evli guys are conected to the angel of smiths.
Have been looking for a hour for a video that is going to put me to sleep.. it's definitely going to do it. Thank you.
I think one of the things that makes the mythology of Tolkien’s works so timeless is that they are deeply rooted in human nature & cut to the core of how people have come into conflict throughout human history. That’s why it’s so easy to see the good of your perspective & evil in any other that doesn’t line up exactly with yours. It’s easily illustrated by the comments where evil is ascribed to the opposing views of the person commenting. As you mentioned in the video the true evil is in obtaining or trying to attain absolute power. Believing so blindly that your vision is the only one that matters or is right. So much so, you become willing to disregard & destroy any differing perspective. Very poetic that Sauron is referred to as the all seeing eye when his descent into evil can most accurately be attributed to blindness or tunnel vision.
I extremely like Gandalf's expression of how Gondor fell into disrepair. How the kings languished and their attention strayed. It's a deep cut on human consciousness and indulgence in a vacuum.
Yo that was a badass analysis.
That was in a video about a Sauron. That was a video about recognizing ourselves in all the characters of Middle Earth. As seen through the eyes of JRR talking.
Badass!
This may be one of your best videos yet. Really interesting topic and very well-explained
Morgoroth didn't want to destroy all life, he wanted dominion over it.
Anon at first he wanted to rule, eventually he decided to just wipe out everything
Melkor/Morgoth wanted to create life like Illuvatar. He journeyed into the void searching for the ‘flame imperishable’ not knowing it rested with Illuatar alone. Morgoth became jealous and decided to corrupt the song which created the world. He would then journey to Arda and sought to make it in his own image. Once again he could not create life only corrupt and twist it. Morgoth sought to destroy all that would not bow down to him alone. Morgoth’s intent was to embarrass the Valar and Illuvatar by enslaving all of Arda.
It’s just too simplistic to classify Morgoth as an evil nihilistic being bent on destroying everything. He was the greatest spirit created by Illuvatar so obviously he was most likely extremely intelligent. As I said earlier I believe his intent was to prove to Illuvatar that he knew best by taking Arda and bending it to himself. In this way perhaps he hoped Illuvatar would provide him with the ability to create life. That is the one obsession that leads to Morgoth’s fall. He wanted to be either the equal or even greater than Illuvatar.
@@noreaster7171 mostly well put.
@@noreaster7171 it was vanity that drove Morgoroth, not obsession. In the beginning he was much like a child who desires to emulate his father, but since the flame to create life resides only within iluvatar Morgoroth became loth and vanity consumed him until all that his father created he wanted dominion over.
The amount of chills and goosebumps I got from hearing The First Hunter's theme was off the charts...
I love this character. Wouldn't mind serving this guy without all the evil killing, but he genuinely sounds like an interesting person to have a chat with. Lol
The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
So is the road out of hell. It's the same road. The question is what direction you are going on it.
That was such an awesome video! The artwork was the amazing!!! Such good stuff out there!
I’m happy to find you and i enjoy your vids. There’re lots of facts and ideas you can offer me to debate with my friends, like we can talk till we pass out lol. Thank you for creating what you love to do! :)
Dominating the minds of others is basically a sin? Someone should have told the Shadow of Mordor developers..
No it was meant to be a parallel
In the games Celebrimbor as a Wraith basically became Sauron
As the Bright Lord he used Talion as a vessel to dominate the minds of Orcs to make an army to overthrow Sauron and spread his own light to the world for the Greater Good
But as Shelob in second game finale reveal, it was simply trading one tyrant with another, which was why in True Game ending she helped Talion in giving himself the choice to oppose that future by becoming a Nazgul and held back Sauron’s darkness for years, even as Sauron and Celebrimbor became one and oppose eachother until their ultimate demise wit the One Ring’s Destruction years later
Celebrimbor’s fate was a parallel to Sauron himself and how he became a tyrant for the greater good, which Talion in the end opposed both in the True Game ending and made sure the right conclusion happened
Great video mellon, one of the best i’ve ever seen! So intressting that Sauron’s phylosophie wasn’t evil. But with time passing, he began to see himself as a god. Wich corrupted him.😇😁
Thanks Seth! It was one of my favourite to research so far, probably second only to my video on the Nameless Things :)
Can you make long lore videos. Going really into the depth of certain battles, characters or even realms. I think it would be really informative and exciting to watch.
Either way i love the content and will not be mad if I don’t get my 1 hour video. I just think it’d be really interesting.
To be honest usually even a weekly video can take me a while (especially to research), so hour long videos would take a month at least to prepare :) But whenever I discuss a topic I will also do so in its entiriety, for it would be a disservice on my end to leave anything out :)
Thank you for responding,
I can understand the worries and where your coming from. It would be a ton of work for you to do. Either way I love the videos keep it up and I’ll be here!
Wow where do you even find all these great pictures? They blend so well with you talking over them! Great video as always :)
The art is fantastic. I would love to see The Silmarillion with this art as a movie.
So Sauron was once an anti-villain but became an actual villain.
Anti-villains can certainly be actual villains at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.
Good old proverb "Path to hell is paved by good intentions."
I never really percieved Morgoth's end goal being the destruction of all living things, but rather that he had dominion over all and could create his own beings as well. This is why he attempted to find the Secret Fire in the Void. Therefore, I don't think Sauron and Morgoth had incompatible goals.
He wanted to create for himself but Eru would not allow it so he set out to destroy Eru’s creations. If he was not allowed to create then why should Eru? Sauron’s goals would have not have tied up with morgoth because morgoth wanted to destroy everything Eru made, and since there is only one world available, Sauron would eventually have to jump ship. Sauron would work with what was there, morgoth wanted rid of it all.
Yes, that was his goal in the beginning. He only became nihilistic towards the end. Like Sauron, he started off with good-ish intentions, or at least not purely evil ones.
@@jonathancampbell5231 I mean, morgoth’s intentions soured pretty fast. The second he got on arda he wanted to destroy everything and everyone
@@badgasaurus4211 Been a while since I read it but it's not the impression I got. When he first got into Arda he was more interested in finding a space he could call "his" and begin breeding new forms of life etc
Those life forms ended up being monsters for use in war, but that was more because he expected the Valar to try and stop him.
@@jonathancampbell5231 Sure but in order to get that he had to destroy what the valar has already made. Remember how he went to aman and destroyed the trees of light?
And no, he definitely made those creatures with the intention of fighting the valar and the Eru’s children, it was no defence mechanisms.
wow... this is sad. If Sauron wasn't such a narcissist, maybe he could have been a wise and faithful friend to the Elves and Men. Like that one friend that we all have in school who is OCD about getting all the homework done and helping the school thrive!
I find it interesting that Sauron worked with Morgoth given that their goals were ideologically opposed. Do you think that had Morgoth won the War of Wrath Sauron would have just overthrown him himself? There had to be a inevitable breaking point between the two of them at them some point, but Morgoth was just deposed by others forces before it was reached.
Sauron was extremely loyal to Morgoth and he was his most trusted servant as it mentioned in the books. So Sauron wouldn't try to overthrow his master
Russ Cargill: You ever try going mad without power? It’s boring; Nobody listens to you!
Good guy sauron
-created industry
-gave free Jobs
- helped tribals
Yup, sauron is true good guy.
Hey man, I really appreciate that you use music from Total war: Warhammer. It's so fits here, I really like the atmosphere it creates, thank you.
Love how you’ve used Bloodborne score: The Last Hunte, near the end.
Really dose bring the tragedy out of it, the beginning of the end.
Sauron is cool! I believe he turned evil, 'cuz the men and elves, etc. turned against him, and tryed to harm him, so he thought, they are evil to themselves (at minimum those, who fought against him).
Sauron: "You turned the men and elves against me"
Valar:"You have done that yourself. You allowed this dark lord Morgoth to twist your mind until you have become the very thing you swear to destroy"
Sauron:"Don't lecture me. I see through the lies of the Valar. I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security for my new empire"
@@Boogeyyyman Yeah.
God's enemies devil demons all their lies plans deeds be binded failed punished destroyed in the name of Jesus Christ! everywhere always.
When order is oppression, chaos is freedom. But that's only true if we're talking Chaotic Good versus Lawful Evil. Personally, I think Neutral Good is the way to go since it combines the liberty of Chaotic Good with the justice of Lawful Good.
2:44 "The greater good." 2:46 "The greater good." 5:04 "The greater good." * *"SHUT IT!"* * XD
2:51 For some reason? I'll give you one word to describe it: collectivism.
Can you please tell me what's the name of the theme you are using ? I tried to find any kind of link to it but can't. The music is really cool tbh
Hey Sadek, if you're referring to the opening song it's called 'Eternal Hatred' from Warhammer total war :)
@@GeekZoneMT exactly what I meant here, thank you very much I was hoping I could be here early on some vid so I get to ask you. I was lucky today lol, thanks again
I love your videos and watch each upload attentively a few times and then put them into my sleep playlists because you have an enchanting/relaxing voice and it's relaxing being retold stories I've been told before.
What is better to be born good or overcome your evil nature I was born ear good or evil I was born in the timeless halls of eru liuvatar
Great video! And the ending point was really relevant. I think many people throughout history have thought they could make the world way better if only they had power.
And some have actually achieved to gain power, but has usually gone the way of Sauron.
Maybe Sauron's fall was partly the fault of Aule AND of Eru. I mean, if Aule hadn't become impatient in waiting for the Children of Eru to awaken, thus creating the Dwarves, maybe Sauron wouldn't have seen how sometimes impatience can be greatly rewarded/ rewarding.
To be fair you can blame Eru for basically everything
The Greater Good...
"STOP SAYING THAT!"
If I remember correctly, this is why Gandalf and Galadriel weren't interested in personally keeping the ring. They could see down the road and predict how ultimate power would affect them.
wow. I think Sauron feels like a cautionary tale to me.
Sauron had some good ideas
Your accent and pronunciation are mind bogglingly refreshing. Many say what you say here. Not like you... My go to LOtR fix.
Had to rewind the vid because I forgot to pause.
GeekZone gaming, i won t stop till it happens
Tolkien for my mind drew his inspiration on what he saw and observed and manifested this in his writings to provide his magnificent books , there is plenty in humanities history to inspire his work, it was his imagination to translate this which sets him apart.
"there's nothing worse than someone out to do the world a favor"
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
The next step is: "I am from the government and I'm here to help."
Its so interesting to discuss Saurons actions, as he is supposed to be a primordial entity, an avatar of specific ideas and traits, I wonder if he was fundamentally incapable of fear, or compassion. I think Sauron grew to see the actions of the living creatures created by Valar as contributing to chaos, as organic growth is fundamentally unpredictable. However the subserviant life forms that he and Morgoth corrupted, were submissive and predictable. So he believed this was necessary?
I love that the music from World of Warcraft is playing in the background of this LOTR lore video...xD
I may have mentioned this before but I would love to see the evolution of Sauron from a literary perspective from his earliest incarnation to the Dark Lord within Pop Culture.
*GeekZone your amazing, thank you for all you do!*
I wonder if the these themes are a commentary on free will. That those who seek order and rulership are rejecting or jealous of the gift of free will possessed by the Children of Iluvatar. If so than a spirit so dedicated to order was always destined to be an enemy of the Children.
Hey Karl! Glad about the merch!! Now I just need the money to buy some.
It's not that the greatest acts of evil start from the best of intentions...their rise is MASKED by the "best of intentions".
8:33 dat gehrman music tho
Listening from Albuquerque, New Mexico
I hope you enjoy it mate! :D
Excellent as always
He's evil because he wants extra credit
An extremely insightful video!
Cheers Kyle! :)
Sauron's philosophy was completely psychotic because due to the fact that he thought that he could have a world with only peace and that and beauty and that cabt happen because we need chaos and order in our world!
If this was a game, then a level 10'000 character named Sauron chose to live amongst level 1 people instead of submitting to level 100'000 Valar after the War of Wrath. I think he couldn't handle his immense mental and physical superiority over millions of people around him while not having a peer of equal level to communicate with alienated him from all living beings in Middle-Earth. Following his former master he concluded that more feeble beings than him are worthless. And his pride only made him vulnerable to hatred and fear, as the children of Ilúvatar challenged his rule as a god-king and humiliated him several times. He moved himself into a very lonely place, and many beings in Middle-Earth, including himself, would pay with their destruction for it.
"As the children of Illuvatar challenged his rule as a god-king and humiliated him several times."
Its not that true. They needed Eru's divine interventions to "humiliate"/defeat Sauron. Illuvatar had always stopped Sauron every time whenever he was about to win. Its not all about the children of Illuvatar alone
love this have been a fan sins i was a litte kid
Cheers mate, I hope it answered any questions you might have had! :)
Give us a link to the soundtrack of the beginning of the vid.
Awesome video! Thank you very much for it!
Just one question: "By the end of the third age, Sauron said that he was Morgoth returned." What's the source for this? I've never heard of this before.
It's from the Letters of Tolkien, letter 183. "
When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless. By the end of the Second Age he assumed the position of Morgoth's representative. By the end of the Third Age (though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to be Morgoth returned."
@@GeekZoneMT Thanks!
The way Sauron degenerates from a misguided radical idealist into a bitter, frustrated, revenge motivated tyrant makes him a favorite of mine. I really love the idea that by the end of the Third Age he's just ready to flip over the table and betray his ideals just to rub salt in the wounds of everyone that got in his way for so long.
Sauron - the original Darth Vader. Bringing order to the galaxy, even if you have to choke the shit out of it.
Sauron’s philosophy:
1) Arrive
2) Raise hell
3) Leave (until the next age arrives....)
What was the song used at 6:53?
Fascinating. Thank you for this. I agree. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and the pursuit of power for itself is a dangerous and ultimately empty endeavor
He sounds like a Virgo.
Thats racist, Im a virgo and Im not like Sauron
@@ollep0lle It's not even racist. 😂
Sauron just represents the negative qualities of either Virgo or Capricorn in my opinion.
@@Makvandar I know, just kidding. What are those negative sides then?
Amazing video! ❤️🎉
I wished Sauron would exist in our world
He definitely would be able to bring some order to the world
At least everyone would be employed and enjoy three hearty meals a day of magotty bread.
@@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife 😂
@@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife The Soviet Union then? It was highly ordered, everybody was employed, and bread - when available - was plenty distasteful!
As if order were something that should be valued above all else...
What is the source for Sauron's motive for order and perfection? I've never heard it before. Good video by the way!
It's from Morgoth's Ring - there's a chapter dedicated to the motives and philosophies of Sauron :)
@@GeekZoneMT REALLY??? Wow I need to reread that book, can't believe I missed or forgot that one. Thanks for taking time to reply too 😁
So Sauron started as a communist and ended as a fascist
Sounds a bit like Stalin
Full on Stalin!
As stalin started as a communist but in the end, made communism look rely bad, as in Yugoslavia Communism worked till Tito died(i hate tito but it worked in Yugoslavia till 1980)
Same shit, different rhetoric
@@mrserbia2769 it only worked because of the loans west gave him to not turn to USSR and loans USSR gave him to not turn to the west. When that failed, the country failed, it was never self-sustainable
Great info. Thank you
Sauron Is real, he goes by other names like Xi Jin Ping, or Kim Jong un
-_-
DR fAUCI
The quote from Paradise Lost was a nice touch, its such a futile attempt to justify being evil.