Chris O’Donnell described his Batman movies as: “The first one felt like I was making a movie, the second one I felt like I was making a toy commercial.”
Tim is my favorite Robin for one simple reason: he chose this. He looked in the mouth of madness, saw people suffering, and jumped right the hell in for no reason other than wanting to help and feeling like he had the power to help.
A good reason to admire the character. However, I don’t believe it was Tim’s only reason for undertaking the role of Robin. His father was killed, so there’s that, even if he was a criminal. He also needed direction. He was sort of a wayward youth. And this was a way to find fulfillment. He was also a self proclaimed detective, very intelligent. And this provided ways to exercise those deductive powers. And then, he’s a male youth, and a mischievous one at that. This gives him action like he’s never experienced as a little street hood ne’er do well.
@@marktomlinson838 Tim parents were alive when he became Robin, his mother died while still in training and his father was placed in a coma. His dad was released and healthy while Tim was still robin but did lose his dad around the time Tim was 16. Tim becoming Robin was a bit complex first he wanted Dick to go back to being robin since he knew how much Bruce needed a Robin, but Dick didn't want to leaving Tim volunteering to become Robin. So yeah he became Robin because it was the "right thing to do" but also to keep batman sane since Batman was becoming reckless after the death of Jason.
I personally think the "toy commercial" mentality that pervaded _Batman and Robin_ is what damaged Robin's character the most in that movie. Like, instead of finding a way to organically add Barbara to the Bat-Family, they just have Dick constantly fail and be insufferable and have Babs show him up at all times, because he's the old toy and she's the new toy.
I wish I could say that writing Barbara (*sigh*) Wilson as (implied) British was the movie's biggest mistake, but it's still a glaring error. What makes it worse is that Alicia Silverstone, though born in San Francisco, California, is the daughter of two British immigrants, which makes Alicia practically British herself. She would have heard "foreign" accents at home all the time growing up, so I don't think it would have been asking too much of her to master one herself. Either that, or just make her Commissioner Gordon's daughter just as she's supposed to be, and in the bargain allow Jim the sympathy and dignity he deserved in BATMAN & ROBIN and didn't get. All that said, except for Arnold Schwarzenegger's atrocious performance as Mr. Freeze, the way Robin was handled is the thing I hate the most about BATMAN & ROBIN. I can look past Batgirl judo-flipping him, but the real insult is having Batman throw him into a vat of ice cream - and in a scene that wasn't even supposed to be funny! As I understand it, the script originally called for Robin to be punched out, which also would have made me cringe, but at least then he probably would have learned his lesson.
What's worse is that the movie made Batman into a hypocrite. He criticizes Robin for almost getting killed by Mr. Freeze but Batman forgets that he too was almost killed as well. Mr. Freeze trapped Batman in a rocket that was going to fall back down and blow up all of Gotham City. Then, during the car chase, Mr. Freeze fires his freezing cannon at the batmobile essentially putting Batman on ice. Batman was a real jerk to not recognize his own mistakes until the very end when Poison Ivy puts up the Robin signal.
Robin wasnt damaged tbh if christian bale played robin that was talked about years ago in the batman begins dvd special features that would of damaged robin
It had one of the laziest examples of making one character look bad to elevate the other by comparison. Robin: (sees overturned computer monitor) We're going to have to do this upside down! Batgirl: (rolls eyes) Men... I seem to remember a lot of Dr. Quinn episodes where the town's collective IQ would take a sudden nosedive just so she'd look that much smarter by comparison.
@@behindthescenesphotos5133 Boy, I know what that's like. There's a long history in popular fiction of making a semi-competent hero look untouchable by depicting everyone else as completely INcompetent. And yes, it tends to be a female hero more often than not. It's equivalent to a Special Olympian beating all the non-disabled people in a foot race because all the rest of them were shot in both legs just before the race.
I feel like Grayson would be too traumatized to return to his carnie roots. Seeing what he saw changes a person. Grayson became more rebelious when he was becoming Nightwing which I feel like is what Schumacher was trying to capture. I think if we had a 5th film from this era, we would have gotten Nightwing.
yeah, looking back on this version of Robin was written it feels like he was starting to enter that phase where he's getting fed up with Batman. However, I don't think a Nightwing transition would have felt justified because of the limited time we've seen them as the dynamic duo. had robin been present from the start, I could see it working
And can we please talk about how amazing both of the robin suits from those films were? The first suit from Batman forever was a fantastic and modernized, practical update on the original Robin suit. The suit from Batman Robin was basically Nightwing with a cape. I f****** love this Robin! I think it's pretty impressive that they knocked it out of the ballpark with a suits for this character. And also doing it so early on. The 1990s aren't well-known for fantastic looking superhero suits. But if you ask me, besides small little flourishes like the Arlo go in several different spots on the suit. Probably could have done without it in the middle of the mask in the first one, this suit looks practical enough and well not designed to be used in a modern superhero film from today. And that is amazing for something done through the span of 1995 through 1997. And also, like I said before, for it being the first time this has ever been done in a movie. Before this, the only live-action Robin we hit ever seen was the Adam West Batman show and the serials from the 40s. But I totally agree with what you said about how different the character is from film to film. He looks fantastic. But he had far much more depth and meaning in Batman forever, which is still the most underrated Batman movie of all time. Yes, the studio mandated that it'd be more child-friendly and campy, but it's still a pretty dark and awesome Batman film. And even Robins character reflected that. Batman & Robin 1997 just turned everyone, including Robin into cartoon characters. Although I did find the idea of a rift between Batman and Robin, with Robin wanting more recognition and to step out of Batman Shadow very interesting and it's a shame that we couldn't have seen that played out in a different film. You can say whatever you want about Batman and Robin, but I'll always love that movie. Just because it's so bad that it's good. I don't understand how anyone couldn't be endlessly entertaining when that movie is on. It is literally a live-action cartoon episode. But I'm getting all over the place now. The whole point of this comment was to give props to the costume design from both films. Kudos. And kudos to you as usual for this video, I've always loved your stuff! Besides myself, LOL, I feel that no one understands these characters as well as you do.
I always loved Chris O'Donnell's portrayal of Robin. And just his Robin in general. Didn't really fit much with the comics, but it was kind of its own thing. But it worked. And even when it was bad, for me, it was still good. I love this Robin. Hollywood has seemed to be afraid to do anything with the character since 1997 and I think that's a total shame. It seems that James Gunn's new iteration of Batman will feature and focus heavily on Robin. Literally for the first time since 1997. That really says a lot. Yes, Ben affleck's Batman continuity mentioned a robin, but we never saw him. Except for his burnt up and destroyed suit sitting in the batcave as a memorial. I grew up in the 90s and Chris O'Donnell has always been my Robin. And I'm proud to say that.
I can’t believe they got Kevin Conroy, Tara Strong, AND Troy Baker to cameo at the end of the video!! So awesome!! R.I.P Kevin. You’ll always be the definitive Batman for me
I absolutely love this take on Robin. While I prefer his character in Batman Forever, I absolutely love his suit in Batman and Robin. It hurts not seeing it included in the arkham games.
@@marchionessamoretto7326 that’s kind of my point. He was terribly miscasted as by the mere sight of him it immediately breaks the illusion of “teenager”.
I really wish they could bring back Robin in the Batman movies! I’m sick and tired of Batman being portrayed as a loner and just working by himself the bat family is honestly my favourite and most interesting aspect of Batman lore
Chris O'Donnell is Robin like Michael Keaton is Batman. I remember being a 6 year old kid when Batman Forever came out and Robin was my favourite character. Before that film, nobody really cared about him.
I remember going to see BATMAN FOREVER at the age of 14 and thinking that, wow, this version of Robin is a lot edgier than Burt Ward's or Loren Lester's (Lester having voiced Robin for the early '90s animated series). Even after seeing Burton's films, I didn't think I was quite ready for a "dark" Robin. I remember thinking, "Where's the wisecracking teen I know and love? Why are we getting this rage-filled emo kid?" (Yes, the word "emo" wasn't around then, but that was more or less what I was thinking.) Ironically, however, as I've grown older I've come to appreciate O'Donnell's character arc as one of the best things in the movie, and a welcome antidote to Jim Carrey's Riddler wackiness. I remember reading all the fan media about BATMAN FOREVER at the time, and recall that in one interview Schumacher referred to Dick Grayson as "a gypsy lad." He might well have been referring to the actual Romani background Grayson was given in the '90s comics. In any case, it's obvious that the screenwriters had Grayson's "real" backstory in mind when they had O'Donnell mention "Nightwing" as one of his potential hero names. One of the very best lines in BATMAN FOREVER comes when, having just donned the Robin costume Alfred has made for him, Dick says to Bruce, "I can't promise you I won't kill Harvey." What's not emphasized enough, I believe, is not only that Bruce takes this bit of news very well, but WHY he takes it well. It can't be stressed enough how significant it is that Dick says "Harvey" rather than "Two-Face." Bruce knows upon hearing this that Dick - much to his own reluctance and resistance - has forgiven Dent, and now wants nothing more than to see (legal) justice done. Grayson now understands that refusing to become a killer himself is the best way of mastering Dent. (It's also interesting that, in his own way, Two-Face himself also wants to see justice done, and interprets his near-death at Robin's hands as a potential example of this.) Watching this video, incidentally, has made me aware that we desperately need a Vee Infuso vid on Alicia Silverstone's Batgirl. More to the point, we need a devastatingly mocking takedown of someone we all know is not the "real" Barbara Gordon (okay, "Wilson," but let's not split hairs). Admittedly, the Barbara of the comics is a bit too much of a "Mary Sue" character, so it's always welcome to see an alternative take on her. But I've long suspected that the fourth film could just as well have been titled BATMAN & ROBIN & BUFFY, because the Batgirl of this movie is very similar to the original portrayal of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER's Buffy Summers. Both characters - or versions of characters - are products of the '90s, and to me that's no coincidence. Feminism in the '90s, or pop-culture feminism at least, was a joke: pretty much just a superficial "girl-power" foundation with a heaping helping of "In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a silly girl!" dumped on top. So what we get from Silverstone is a youngster who is highly skilled, but lacking the conviction and discipline needed to be taken seriously. That's been a major problem in Hollywood: it's been capable of giving us young female characters with flaws, but since those flaws are being childish and funny, they are endearing to us, and so they aren't really flaws at all. Say what you will about today's "woke" and "girlboss" heroines, but at least they're presented in a way that allows us to take them seriously.
Yes, I would enjoy a batgirl one of these. Thank goodness the tv series didn't follow the buffy movie and we got an actual strong female lead to look up to.
I think any video about the Batgirl presented in _Batman and Robin_ would have to be tempered with a discussion on the absolutely shameful way the media treated Alicia Silverstone once she was cast in the role. Some of the film crew, as well, they should all have been ashamed.
The year was 1966. I was eleven years old when Batman first appeared on TV. I fell in love with Robin, played by Burt Ward. Since then I didn't miss a single episode. For me, Adam West campy portrayal of Batman was so boring and anoying. I couldn't care less for him. But Robin was clever, full of energy and handsome. Indeed he was the reason to call the pair - the Dynamic Duo, because West's Batman was too slow. I've been Burt Ward/Robin fan since then. Also went with my father to see the Batman 1966-1967 movie. When the series ended, I followed the reruns. In those years, Google did not exist. For decades I did not hear any more of my idol, Burt Ward. I compensated this by buying comics, suscribing to Teen Titans and have preserved those issues in mint or near mint condition. In the nineties finally a Batman movie came to be. But without Robin. I had to wait more years until these two movies came along: Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. And I was so grateful that Chris O'Donnell was portraying Robin. It was a good selection. A great and talented actor with the handsome look and beautifull mesmerizing blue eyes, reminding me of my dearest Burt Ward's. I love O'Donnell excellent portrayal of Dick Grayson/Robin preciselly because the writer included his origins. It was a DREAM come true for me that I thought that would NEVER, ever happen in my lifetime !: I was finally seeing Richard Grayson's parents (there wasn't any brother - but I didn't care), I was given the opportunity to see the moment they were killed, and more than that,... to see his expression, to evidence his sorrow, to see him somehow crying. Later to see him in Robin's and somehow a Nightwing outfit...cool. And to include romantic and kissing scenes.... more INCREDIBLE. That is why I despice all of those comments ridiculizing these two movies because they do not know what is to WAIT for DECADES until a cleaver writer and producer give Robin the place that he deserves, a soul of his own, and the script lines of a young enthusiastic man - as Burt Ward my forever Robin portrayed before, now represented by Chris O'Donnell.
Eh... I kind of wish they didn't go with Chris O'Donnell, though. Not that he's a bad actor, but he's a bit too old to be playing the role of a teenage Robin. Was Brad Renfro, Edward Furlong, or any young teen that starred in something like The Sandlot or Mighty Ducks unavailable?
Regarding Dick's age, I prefer how BTAS did it, having him be a kid when he became an orphan, but doing a time skip until he's in his teens before showing him as Robin.
Dick being flipped by Barbara is in no way him being beaten and isn't some silly showcase of weakness. Bruce is controlling and overprotective. I think that's the point of this arc. He's pushing Dick away out of his lacking of allowing someone to take their own risks. Dick's not a kid, arguably. I think it's suggested he's in college by this point. And he rebels against Bruce's mindset, this PLUS he's influenced by Ivy's pheromones, so I think you're seeing a limited view of this character. As I think Bruce suggests at the end, Dick is still searching for a new family "You weren't talking about being partners, you were talking about being a family." and Bruce isn't giving that. He's treating him like he's a soldier, not a brother. Batman is in no way a mark to adhere to. He's a broken kid trying to control the pain in his life. Batman & Robin, on it's own, is in no way one of the worse movies ever made.
brenton thwaites as dick grayson curran walters as jason todd jay lycurgo as tim drake all from the netflix titans edit: it wasn't a netflix show, it has been brought to my attention 👍
I think intentionally this version is an amalgamation of the then current three Robins. Origin and name came from Greyson, attitude and stealing the batmobile was very much reminiscent of Todd and his rescue of Batman from the rubble is directly taken from Drake stealing the Robin suit and saving Batman (and Nightwing ) from the same scenario. It was done very cleverly for the fans and I feel often gets overlooked at what they achieved in the film.
He did great in the first one and the second one was just unfortunate lol. They should have made him into a full fledged Nightwing giving him a chance for his own spin off movie and giving them a reason to accept Batgirl in as Batman’s new sidekick.
Dont blame Chris. He did great with what he was given. Heck, there were parts of Batman & Robin where Chris is better than Clooney and Silverstone. As this video perfectly describes, the filmmakers built Robins character a lot better in Batman Forever. They gave him real motivation to become The Boy Wonder. They completely failed to bring out his Boy Scout persona in Batman & Robin. They couldve given us the scene where Batman pushed things too far with a suspect, forcing Robin to rebel and become Nightwing... and Chris wouldve been great
I’m pretty sure this isn’t the most popular opinion out there but I think Chris O’Donnell is a good actor doing what he could with what he had which wasn’t a great script. I like to think that in another timeline there exists a versions of these movies where we got the best of the writing and direction and not the toy commercials they were and in turn, we ended up getting a nightwing spinoff where he kills it in the solo role. I also think the suit in Batman and Robin would be really cool if you take the nips off it. It’s obviously designed to be more nightwing-esque and it does it for me.
You know I like the idea of robin starting off around 19-20,being called the boy wonder as a insult and seeing him younger but not by that much react to Bruce’s darkness
It's hard to say Chris is the best Robin, because he's probably the most tolerable live action Dick Grayson to date. I say this because we haven't had the perfect Robin on film yet. Just the least sucky. Chris did grow on me over time, especially in Batman Forever.
0:48 So I was just taking off my roller blades in 1994, when all of a sudden this clip of the new Robin comes breaking live on the news. Naturally, I puncture another pouch of that Capri-Sun, Pacific Cooler, and take that sip through a comically small straw, thinking, "Man... We really are living in the future...!"
If I was making a DC cinematic universe, I'd make the starting point for Batman the story of him adopting Dick Grayson. Teaching hin to not let his thirst for revenge consume. To choose a better path and bring the man who killed his parents to justice. With him already being established before the film starts. Then the sequel would take place 5 years later, it would be about the story of Under the Red Hood. In between the films, Dick had left and formed the Teen Titans. Then became Nightwing by the time of the 2nd Batman film.
Whether or not it was these 2 movies fault. These movies damaged the Robin representation of the character so much that not even Nolan would take a realistic crack of the character. Seriously we had to wait till 2018 to get Robin in live action again. We still haven't had robin in a live action theatrical film yet since 1997 and that is just wrong on so many levels
I really liked O’Donnell’s version. Like this video, I did prefer Forever’s take much better than B&R break down of Robin. I truly would have like to have seen his Dick Grayson with Keaton’s Bruce Wayne and his Batman. It would have seems more like father son. O’Donnell with Kilmer was good, but seemed more like a big brother relationship. Also as a point of reference on Keaton’s would have been Robin. The original actor cast for Robin/Dick Grayson in Batman ‘89 was not Marlin Waynes. It was actor Ricky Addison Ricky who was cast as Dick Grayson before the character was removed by Warren Skarren for the revised shooting script. Marlin was not cast until Batman Returns, and also dropped after costume fittings and shooting began. And yes, he did get payed and is still getting residuals from the film.
I think Robin is absolutely terrible in Batman & Robin but I do like his character arc in Batman Forever. Chris O'Donnell I think is meh in the role but the there are some good stuff with his character. The scene where he vents to Bruce about wanting to kill Two Face for murdering his family stands out.
You know I love this movie despite being somewhat of a disappointment but it’s when realization hit me that he’s not even wearing a Robin costume he’s wearing Nightwing’s outfit just with a cape and I don’t know how I fell about it
13:40 when initially, when I saw it, I thought of greek armor. Or sculptures of michelangelo. It was art 🤌. Codpiece and all. It was a masterpiece. 🔥🔥🔥
I liked it, but she was Robin for like 3 issues... she just fought Scarab for a short arc, and then it was back to Spoiler status quo. And then death by Black Mask. Or was she hidden all along in Africa by Leslie Thomkins? U decide.
You’ll definitely have to talk about Brenton Twaites excellent interpretation of Robin & Nightwing, let alone the other 2 actors who did Jason Todd & Tim Drake
@@eshaneshan4857 He was so perfectly cast. He has such a punchable face, and then he opens his mouth to speak. That kid understood the assignment, and leaned heavily into Jason Todd being so unlikeable.
@@The_T.A.R.D.I.Swhat's crazy is that he has the potential to be an amazing red hood he was an awesome actor but they rushed the storyline and didn't let him naturally grow into the role.
The “Bat Nipples” are the most iconic thing that people remember from the 90s superhero movies. Maybe you don’t like them but plenty of people LOVE the Bat Nipples.
Honestly I enjoyed Chris O'Donnell as Robin although his character can come off annoying he's trying what needed to be done and wanting to live on his own shadow and not be told what to do by Batman/Bruce Wayne.
There aren't many views you share on our shared passions that I don't agree with, Vee. This is yet another video I completely agree with and I'm very glad you made it. I'm fully on board with the DCU and I actually think sometime in the future the Snyderverse will get another chance if the DCU goes as planned as the new definitive timeline because WB will be more willing to restore it once they have a successful universe and fully established universe that won't leave the definitive DC cinematic universe up for debate. I mention the Snyderverse as I enjoyed most of it very much. For now it is the swansong of Snyder's DC characters sharing the screen for a long time surely. But as much as I am in support of Gunn's vision, if he was always gonna use his influence to end a movie that had nothing to do with his Universe then it shouldn't have been a short Clooney Cameo that ended it on a suppossed Joke rather than a timeline where Batfleck has been replaced by his returning predecessor who played a huge and terrific role in the movie as Keaton did. If that was the ending it would feel apt and would also have left potential to return to veteran Keaton Batman at some point. For some reason Gunn wanted Clooney at the end. I could have gotten on board with that if it was more. Just give his Batman and his wonderful Robin a part in the movie instead of the reason he was actually brought back. Imagine something like Nic Cage's Superman but with a bit more screen time. We could even have gotten a look at O'Donnell fighting alongside Clooney's Dark Knight as Nightwing. Whatever the issues of Batman and Robin Chris wears a Robin suit that seems like he's gradually growing into Nightwing. It's too late to hope for him as Nightwing in any way I would think but in a different time for Batman and this Genre he could have made a fantastic Nightwing and I would have adored just a little Screen time of Clooney and O'Donnell as Batman and Nightwing in the Flash. I digress but it's about time WB give the main Bat Family a chance.on the big Screen and Chris was terrific in the role. When thinking of future Robins and hopefully a Nightwing Film at last he really captured what you'd want a young adult Dick Grayson to be and I hope for a new incarnation soon that captures that also
Chris O’Donnell was a great Robin in some lousy Batman movies. Although I watched Batman Forever again a few years back and I liked it. I mean it still isn’t very good, but it was somewhat better than I remembered. 🤷♂️
I really feel like Jason Todd fans will take anything and be like "well this character is basically Jason Todd". One of the robins gets mad? Well he's just being Jason Todd. One of the robins tries to have fun? Way to copy Jason Todd. One of the robins doesn't gel with Bruce immediately? Thats Jason Todd! Its a little silly
Looking at it in hindsight, Schumacher was never the reason why the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies were bad, it was the Warner Bros. and McDonald's merchandise marketing that ruined them.
Your prospective on Batman killing Two-Face for Robin's sake is very interesting.🤔🙂 Because I always saw it as Robin being upset that he wasn't the one to kill him.
Batman Forever was my favorite Batman movie till 2022. You can guess how I feel about Robin. He's literally just as fun as Batman. He's charming, funny, charismatic. Sure old school fans who read comics can whine. I get it. You want characters to stay the same. But take that bias out and you have an amazing Robin
Same thing happened for me but Batman and Robin still remain a guilty pleasure for me they got my favorite batman villains even though the movie was awful
I totally agree with your statements about his character in Batman Forever. I'd argue that while it's not perfect and not a good sequel to Returns, Forever is a great Batma. Movie. Batman & Robin kind of brings it down by association. Unfortunately, Batman & Robin isn't even in the top 5 worst superhero films.
Chris O'Donnell was Jason. Period. They changed the name to be more recognizable, but until the original Crisis, Jason's backstory was the same as Dick's, except Jason had an older brother. In the comics, I think it was Killer Croc that killed his parents, until he was rewritten as the street kid, when Two-Face killed his father ( -may have that backwards- Checked. That's correct).
Chris O’Donnell described his Batman movies as: “The first one felt like I was making a movie, the second one I felt like I was making a toy commercial.”
True
And yet he was fully signed on for a third outing before it was dropped.
Tim is my favorite Robin for one simple reason: he chose this. He looked in the mouth of madness, saw people suffering, and jumped right the hell in for no reason other than wanting to help and feeling like he had the power to help.
A good reason to admire the character. However, I don’t believe it was Tim’s only reason for undertaking the role of Robin. His father was killed, so there’s that, even if he was a criminal. He also needed direction. He was sort of a wayward youth. And this was a way to find fulfillment. He was also a self proclaimed detective, very intelligent. And this provided ways to exercise those deductive powers. And then, he’s a male youth, and a mischievous one at that. This gives him action like he’s never experienced as a little street hood ne’er do well.
@@marktomlinson838not just his father! He lost his mother and brother as well 😭
Tim chose to be Robin before his mother died and his father died BECAUSE he was Robin.
@@marktomlinson838 Tim parents were alive when he became Robin, his mother died while still in training and his father was placed in a coma. His dad was released and healthy while Tim was still robin but did lose his dad around the time Tim was 16. Tim becoming Robin was a bit complex first he wanted Dick to go back to being robin since he knew how much Bruce needed a Robin, but Dick didn't want to leaving Tim volunteering to become Robin. So yeah he became Robin because it was the "right thing to do" but also to keep batman sane since Batman was becoming reckless after the death of Jason.
Tim wasn't the first Robin that did that tho. He just was used for cartoons which made him far more popular.
I personally think the "toy commercial" mentality that pervaded _Batman and Robin_ is what damaged Robin's character the most in that movie. Like, instead of finding a way to organically add Barbara to the Bat-Family, they just have Dick constantly fail and be insufferable and have Babs show him up at all times, because he's the old toy and she's the new toy.
I wish I could say that writing Barbara (*sigh*) Wilson as (implied) British was the movie's biggest mistake, but it's still a glaring error. What makes it worse is that Alicia Silverstone, though born in San Francisco, California, is the daughter of two British immigrants, which makes Alicia practically British herself. She would have heard "foreign" accents at home all the time growing up, so I don't think it would have been asking too much of her to master one herself. Either that, or just make her Commissioner Gordon's daughter just as she's supposed to be, and in the bargain allow Jim the sympathy and dignity he deserved in BATMAN & ROBIN and didn't get.
All that said, except for Arnold Schwarzenegger's atrocious performance as Mr. Freeze, the way Robin was handled is the thing I hate the most about BATMAN & ROBIN. I can look past Batgirl judo-flipping him, but the real insult is having Batman throw him into a vat of ice cream - and in a scene that wasn't even supposed to be funny! As I understand it, the script originally called for Robin to be punched out, which also would have made me cringe, but at least then he probably would have learned his lesson.
What's worse is that the movie made Batman into a hypocrite. He criticizes Robin for almost getting killed by Mr. Freeze but Batman forgets that he too was almost killed as well. Mr. Freeze trapped Batman in a rocket that was going to fall back down and blow up all of Gotham City. Then, during the car chase, Mr. Freeze fires his freezing cannon at the batmobile essentially putting Batman on ice. Batman was a real jerk to not recognize his own mistakes until the very end when Poison Ivy puts up the Robin signal.
Robin wasnt damaged tbh if christian bale played robin that was talked about years ago in the batman begins dvd special features that would of damaged robin
It had one of the laziest examples of making one character look bad to elevate the other by comparison.
Robin: (sees overturned computer monitor) We're going to have to do this upside down!
Batgirl: (rolls eyes) Men...
I seem to remember a lot of Dr. Quinn episodes where the town's collective IQ would take a sudden nosedive just so she'd look that much smarter by comparison.
@@behindthescenesphotos5133 Boy, I know what that's like. There's a long history in popular fiction of making a semi-competent hero look untouchable by depicting everyone else as completely INcompetent. And yes, it tends to be a female hero more often than not. It's equivalent to a Special Olympian beating all the non-disabled people in a foot race because all the rest of them were shot in both legs just before the race.
Honestly his Robin is why Batman and Robin was a guilty pleasure for me for a long time I loved his performance
I agree, his Robin was actually cool. As a kid after seeing batman and Robin in theaters, I actually thought Robin was cooler than batman.
He was my robin on screen and I really liked his portrayal. His batman forever suit was cool too
Ironic, he was wearing a red motorcycle helmet a decade before Jason became Redhood
I feel like Grayson would be too traumatized to return to his carnie roots. Seeing what he saw changes a person. Grayson became more rebelious when he was becoming Nightwing which I feel like is what Schumacher was trying to capture. I think if we had a 5th film from this era, we would have gotten Nightwing.
yeah, looking back on this version of Robin was written it feels like he was starting to enter that phase where he's getting fed up with Batman. However, I don't think a Nightwing transition would have felt justified because of the limited time we've seen them as the dynamic duo. had robin been present from the start, I could see it working
But the question is what suit would he wear since he is technically already wearing a version of the Nightwing suit
And can we please talk about how amazing both of the robin suits from those films were? The first suit from Batman forever was a fantastic and modernized, practical update on the original Robin suit. The suit from Batman Robin was basically Nightwing with a cape. I f****** love this Robin! I think it's pretty impressive that they knocked it out of the ballpark with a suits for this character. And also doing it so early on. The 1990s aren't well-known for fantastic looking superhero suits. But if you ask me, besides small little flourishes like the Arlo go in several different spots on the suit. Probably could have done without it in the middle of the mask in the first one, this suit looks practical enough and well not designed to be used in a modern superhero film from today. And that is amazing for something done through the span of 1995 through 1997. And also, like I said before, for it being the first time this has ever been done in a movie. Before this, the only live-action Robin we hit ever seen was the Adam West Batman show and the serials from the 40s. But I totally agree with what you said about how different the character is from film to film. He looks fantastic. But he had far much more depth and meaning in Batman forever, which is still the most underrated Batman movie of all time. Yes, the studio mandated that it'd be more child-friendly and campy, but it's still a pretty dark and awesome Batman film. And even Robins character reflected that. Batman & Robin 1997 just turned everyone, including Robin into cartoon characters. Although I did find the idea of a rift between Batman and Robin, with Robin wanting more recognition and to step out of Batman Shadow very interesting and it's a shame that we couldn't have seen that played out in a different film. You can say whatever you want about Batman and Robin, but I'll always love that movie. Just because it's so bad that it's good. I don't understand how anyone couldn't be endlessly entertaining when that movie is on. It is literally a live-action cartoon episode. But I'm getting all over the place now. The whole point of this comment was to give props to the costume design from both films. Kudos. And kudos to you as usual for this video, I've always loved your stuff! Besides myself, LOL, I feel that no one understands these characters as well as you do.
I always felt like Chris O’Donnell was the only actor actually trying in the two films, especially Batman and Robin.
I always loved Chris O'Donnell's portrayal of Robin. And just his Robin in general. Didn't really fit much with the comics, but it was kind of its own thing. But it worked. And even when it was bad, for me, it was still good. I love this Robin. Hollywood has seemed to be afraid to do anything with the character since 1997 and I think that's a total shame. It seems that James Gunn's new iteration of Batman will feature and focus heavily on Robin. Literally for the first time since 1997. That really says a lot. Yes, Ben affleck's Batman continuity mentioned a robin, but we never saw him. Except for his burnt up and destroyed suit sitting in the batcave as a memorial. I grew up in the 90s and Chris O'Donnell has always been my Robin. And I'm proud to say that.
I can’t believe they got Kevin Conroy, Tara Strong, AND Troy Baker to cameo at the end of the video!! So awesome!! R.I.P Kevin. You’ll always be the definitive Batman for me
I've always enjoyed Chris O'Donnell's portrayal especially in Batman Forever, he did a good job showing the pain in his character.
I like how Robin's second costume is basically a Nightwing costume with a red symbol and a cape.
Robin is my favourite superhero and Chris O' Donnell is the BEST
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I absolutely love this take on Robin. While I prefer his character in Batman Forever, I absolutely love his suit in Batman and Robin. It hurts not seeing it included in the arkham games.
His dynamic with Bruce is one of the many reasons Batman Forever is my favorite movies.
He was a great robin. Suit looked good. An he actually felt like he could kick your ass. Young not too young
Chris o'donnell was a Damn Good Robin 💯
Why would grown ass chris o'donnell need to be adopted by Bruce Wayne? This idea should’ve died at conception.
@@cormacthem8406 Chris O' Donnell played 17 years old Dick Grayson
@@marchionessamoretto7326 that’s kind of my point. He was terribly miscasted as by the mere sight of him it immediately breaks the illusion of “teenager”.
@@cormacthem8406 I am a big fan of Robin and Chris O'Donnell and he did a good job in both Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
@@marchionessamoretto7326 absolutely, to each their own 👍
I really wish they could bring back Robin in the Batman movies! I’m sick and tired of Batman being portrayed as a loner and just working by himself the bat family is honestly my favourite and most interesting aspect of Batman lore
Chris O'Donnell was very underrated
Chris O'Donnell is Robin like Michael Keaton is Batman. I remember being a 6 year old kid when Batman Forever came out and Robin was my favourite character. Before that film, nobody really cared about him.
I remember going to see BATMAN FOREVER at the age of 14 and thinking that, wow, this version of Robin is a lot edgier than Burt Ward's or Loren Lester's (Lester having voiced Robin for the early '90s animated series). Even after seeing Burton's films, I didn't think I was quite ready for a "dark" Robin. I remember thinking, "Where's the wisecracking teen I know and love? Why are we getting this rage-filled emo kid?" (Yes, the word "emo" wasn't around then, but that was more or less what I was thinking.) Ironically, however, as I've grown older I've come to appreciate O'Donnell's character arc as one of the best things in the movie, and a welcome antidote to Jim Carrey's Riddler wackiness. I remember reading all the fan media about BATMAN FOREVER at the time, and recall that in one interview Schumacher referred to Dick Grayson as "a gypsy lad." He might well have been referring to the actual Romani background Grayson was given in the '90s comics. In any case, it's obvious that the screenwriters had Grayson's "real" backstory in mind when they had O'Donnell mention "Nightwing" as one of his potential hero names.
One of the very best lines in BATMAN FOREVER comes when, having just donned the Robin costume Alfred has made for him, Dick says to Bruce, "I can't promise you I won't kill Harvey." What's not emphasized enough, I believe, is not only that Bruce takes this bit of news very well, but WHY he takes it well. It can't be stressed enough how significant it is that Dick says "Harvey" rather than "Two-Face." Bruce knows upon hearing this that Dick - much to his own reluctance and resistance - has forgiven Dent, and now wants nothing more than to see (legal) justice done. Grayson now understands that refusing to become a killer himself is the best way of mastering Dent. (It's also interesting that, in his own way, Two-Face himself also wants to see justice done, and interprets his near-death at Robin's hands as a potential example of this.)
Watching this video, incidentally, has made me aware that we desperately need a Vee Infuso vid on Alicia Silverstone's Batgirl. More to the point, we need a devastatingly mocking takedown of someone we all know is not the "real" Barbara Gordon (okay, "Wilson," but let's not split hairs). Admittedly, the Barbara of the comics is a bit too much of a "Mary Sue" character, so it's always welcome to see an alternative take on her. But I've long suspected that the fourth film could just as well have been titled BATMAN & ROBIN & BUFFY, because the Batgirl of this movie is very similar to the original portrayal of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER's Buffy Summers. Both characters - or versions of characters - are products of the '90s, and to me that's no coincidence. Feminism in the '90s, or pop-culture feminism at least, was a joke: pretty much just a superficial "girl-power" foundation with a heaping helping of "In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a silly girl!" dumped on top. So what we get from Silverstone is a youngster who is highly skilled, but lacking the conviction and discipline needed to be taken seriously. That's been a major problem in Hollywood: it's been capable of giving us young female characters with flaws, but since those flaws are being childish and funny, they are endearing to us, and so they aren't really flaws at all. Say what you will about today's "woke" and "girlboss" heroines, but at least they're presented in a way that allows us to take them seriously.
Yes, I would enjoy a batgirl one of these. Thank goodness the tv series didn't follow the buffy movie and we got an actual strong female lead to look up to.
I think any video about the Batgirl presented in _Batman and Robin_ would have to be tempered with a discussion on the absolutely shameful way the media treated Alicia Silverstone once she was cast in the role. Some of the film crew, as well, they should all have been ashamed.
The year was 1966. I was eleven years old when Batman first appeared on TV. I fell in love with Robin, played by Burt Ward. Since then I didn't miss a single episode. For me, Adam West campy portrayal of Batman was so boring and anoying. I couldn't care less for him. But Robin was clever, full of energy and handsome. Indeed he was the reason to call the pair - the Dynamic Duo, because West's Batman was too slow. I've been Burt Ward/Robin fan since then. Also went with my father to see the Batman 1966-1967 movie. When the series ended, I followed the reruns. In those years, Google did not exist. For decades I did not hear any more of my idol, Burt Ward. I compensated this by buying comics, suscribing to Teen Titans and have preserved those issues in mint or near mint condition. In the nineties finally a Batman movie came to be. But without Robin. I had to wait more years until these two movies came along: Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. And I was so grateful that Chris O'Donnell was portraying Robin. It was a good selection. A great and talented actor with the handsome look and beautifull mesmerizing blue eyes, reminding me of my dearest Burt Ward's. I love O'Donnell excellent portrayal of Dick Grayson/Robin preciselly because the writer included his origins. It was a DREAM come true for me that I thought that would NEVER, ever happen in my lifetime !: I was finally seeing Richard Grayson's parents (there wasn't any brother - but I didn't care), I was given the opportunity to see the moment they were killed, and more than that,... to see his expression, to evidence his sorrow, to see him somehow crying. Later to see him in Robin's and somehow a Nightwing outfit...cool. And to include romantic and kissing scenes.... more INCREDIBLE. That is why I despice all of those comments ridiculizing these two movies because they do not know what is to WAIT for DECADES until a cleaver writer and producer give Robin the place that he deserves, a soul of his own, and the script lines of a young enthusiastic man - as Burt Ward my forever Robin portrayed before, now represented by Chris O'Donnell.
Eh... I kind of wish they didn't go with Chris O'Donnell, though. Not that he's a bad actor, but he's a bit too old to be playing the role of a teenage Robin. Was Brad Renfro, Edward Furlong, or any young teen that starred in something like The Sandlot or Mighty Ducks unavailable?
Regarding Dick's age, I prefer how BTAS did it, having him be a kid when he became an orphan, but doing a time skip until he's in his teens before showing him as Robin.
Dick being flipped by Barbara is in no way him being beaten and isn't some silly showcase of weakness.
Bruce is controlling and overprotective. I think that's the point of this arc. He's pushing Dick away out of his lacking of allowing someone to take their own risks. Dick's not a kid, arguably. I think it's suggested he's in college by this point. And he rebels against Bruce's mindset, this PLUS he's influenced by Ivy's pheromones, so I think you're seeing a limited view of this character. As I think Bruce suggests at the end, Dick is still searching for a new family "You weren't talking about being partners, you were talking about being a family." and Bruce isn't giving that. He's treating him like he's a soldier, not a brother.
Batman is in no way a mark to adhere to. He's a broken kid trying to control the pain in his life.
Batman & Robin, on it's own, is in no way one of the worse movies ever made.
Chris O'Donnell is the most underrated Robin but the only one who played as a live action Robin. There hasn't been a Robin since
You're forgetting about the Cw titans show
The 1960s Batman tv show had Robin.
@theoutsiderjess4869 it's not a cw show
brenton thwaites as dick grayson
curran walters as jason todd
jay lycurgo as tim drake
all from the netflix titans
edit: it wasn't a netflix show, it has been brought to my attention 👍
@@charlessaintsit wasn't Netflix
Chris O'Donn3ll was badass as Robin
I think intentionally this version is an amalgamation of the then current three Robins. Origin and name came from Greyson, attitude and stealing the batmobile was very much reminiscent of Todd and his rescue of Batman from the rubble is directly taken from Drake stealing the Robin suit and saving Batman (and Nightwing ) from the same scenario. It was done very cleverly for the fans and I feel often gets overlooked at what they achieved in the film.
He did great in the first one and the second one was just unfortunate lol.
They should have made him into a full fledged Nightwing giving him a chance for his own spin off movie and giving them a reason to accept Batgirl in as Batman’s new sidekick.
Chris did a great job 👏🏼
Dont blame Chris. He did great with what he was given. Heck, there were parts of Batman & Robin where Chris is better than Clooney and Silverstone. As this video perfectly describes, the filmmakers built Robins character a lot better in Batman Forever. They gave him real motivation to become The Boy Wonder. They completely failed to bring out his Boy Scout persona in Batman & Robin.
They couldve given us the scene where Batman pushed things too far with a suspect, forcing Robin to rebel and become Nightwing... and Chris wouldve been great
I’m pretty sure this isn’t the most popular opinion out there but I think Chris O’Donnell is a good actor doing what he could with what he had which wasn’t a great script. I like to think that in another timeline there exists a versions of these movies where we got the best of the writing and direction and not the toy commercials they were and in turn, we ended up getting a nightwing spinoff where he kills it in the solo role. I also think the suit in Batman and Robin would be really cool if you take the nips off it. It’s obviously designed to be more nightwing-esque and it does it for me.
He was the perfect Robin.
I always liked Chris O'donnell as Robin.
Chicks dig the car.
You know I like the idea of robin starting off around 19-20,being called the boy wonder as a insult and seeing him younger but not by that much react to Bruce’s darkness
It's hard to say Chris is the best Robin, because he's probably the most tolerable live action Dick Grayson to date. I say this because we haven't had the perfect Robin on film yet. Just the least sucky. Chris did grow on me over time, especially in Batman Forever.
i honestly think Chris o Donnell was great in batman Forever and his robin was likable charming and sympathetic Batman and Robin did him dirty
I’ve always liked O’Donnel’s Robin
0:48 So I was just taking off my roller blades in 1994, when all of a sudden this clip of the new Robin comes breaking live on the news.
Naturally, I puncture another pouch of that Capri-Sun, Pacific Cooler, and take that sip through a comically small straw, thinking, "Man... We really are living in the future...!"
If I was making a DC cinematic universe, I'd make the starting point for Batman the story of him adopting Dick Grayson. Teaching hin to not let his thirst for revenge consume. To choose a better path and bring the man who killed his parents to justice. With him already being established before the film starts. Then the sequel would take place 5 years later, it would be about the story of Under the Red Hood. In between the films, Dick had left and formed the Teen Titans. Then became Nightwing by the time of the 2nd Batman film.
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Whether or not it was these 2 movies fault. These movies damaged the Robin representation of the character so much that not even Nolan would take a realistic crack of the character. Seriously we had to wait till 2018 to get Robin in live action again. We still haven't had robin in a live action theatrical film yet since 1997 and that is just wrong on so many levels
I do like this Version of Robin and an interesting Dynamic that he is Batman’s Past and Batman is Robin’s Future,truly a Underrated Boy Wonder.
I really liked O’Donnell’s version. Like this video, I did prefer Forever’s take much better than B&R break down of Robin.
I truly would have like to have seen his Dick Grayson with Keaton’s Bruce Wayne and his Batman. It would have seems more like father son. O’Donnell with Kilmer was good, but seemed more like a big brother relationship.
Also as a point of reference on Keaton’s would have been Robin.
The original actor cast for Robin/Dick Grayson in Batman ‘89 was not Marlin Waynes. It was actor Ricky Addison
Ricky who was cast as
Dick Grayson before the character was removed by Warren
Skarren for the
revised shooting script. Marlin was not cast until Batman Returns, and also dropped after costume fittings and shooting began. And yes, he did get payed and is still getting residuals from the film.
All time favorite 😊
I think Robin is absolutely terrible in Batman & Robin but I do like his character arc in Batman Forever. Chris O'Donnell I think is meh in the role but the there are some good stuff with his character. The scene where he vents to Bruce about wanting to kill Two Face for murdering his family stands out.
I loved him in Batman and Robin
Bruce is being controlling in B&R, and Dick is influenced by Ivy's pheromones.
That's my favorite scene in a batman movie ever
I actually liked him as robin
Carrie Kelley, Stephanie Brown, and OG Teen Titans cartoon Robin are my favorite Robins, as controversial of takes those first two
Yeah, Chris was a really good Robin sad to see CSI Los Angeles finally end so maybe Chris has time to reprise the role somehow
You know I love this movie despite being somewhat of a disappointment but it’s when realization hit me that he’s not even wearing a Robin costume he’s wearing Nightwing’s outfit just with a cape and I don’t know how I fell about it
13:40 when initially, when I saw it, I thought of greek armor. Or sculptures of michelangelo. It was art 🤌. Codpiece and all. It was a masterpiece. 🔥🔥🔥
I actually kinda liked the arc where Stephanie Brown became Robin
Me too
I found that arc so much fun
Only time I've ever read and enjoyed a Batgirl solo book was when it was Stef. Loved it. Then new 52 brought it to an end 😢
I liked it, but she was Robin for like 3 issues... she just fought Scarab for a short arc, and then it was back to Spoiler status quo. And then death by Black Mask. Or was she hidden all along in Africa by Leslie Thomkins? U decide.
You’ll definitely have to talk about Brenton Twaites excellent interpretation of Robin & Nightwing, let alone the other 2 actors who did Jason Todd & Tim Drake
Tim Drake was forgettable tbh but the Jason Todd was pretty damn good but was miscast for Red Hood
Ye he was a great Jason Todd robin, but not a great red hood
@@eshaneshan4857 He was so perfectly cast. He has such a punchable face, and then he opens his mouth to speak. That kid understood the assignment, and leaned heavily into Jason Todd being so unlikeable.
Tim Drake sucked. Jason Todd was cool, yet, as others stated, missed the mark as Red Hood. Brenton was solid all around.
@@The_T.A.R.D.I.Swhat's crazy is that he has the potential to be an amazing red hood he was an awesome actor but they rushed the storyline and didn't let him naturally grow into the role.
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that outro hits different now knowing kevin conroy passed he still in our hearts though
The “Bat Nipples” are the most iconic thing that people remember from the 90s superhero movies. Maybe you don’t like them but plenty of people LOVE the Bat Nipples.
I always saw Chris as Jason Todd to Burt Ward's Dick Grayson
There needs to be a robin solo movie. Face it, the dude is too cool and he’s been the coolest lackadaisical sidekick of all time
He was my one of my favorite figures to play with. He was a good robin
Honestly I enjoyed Chris O'Donnell as Robin although his character can come off annoying he's trying what needed to be done and wanting to live on his own shadow and not be told what to do by Batman/Bruce Wayne.
There aren't many views you share on our shared passions that I don't agree with, Vee. This is yet another video I completely agree with and I'm very glad you made it. I'm fully on board with the DCU and I actually think sometime in the future the Snyderverse will get another chance if the DCU goes as planned as the new definitive timeline because WB will be more willing to restore it once they have a successful universe and fully established universe that won't leave the definitive DC cinematic universe up for debate. I mention the Snyderverse as I enjoyed most of it very much. For now it is the swansong of Snyder's DC characters sharing the screen for a long time surely. But as much as I am in support of Gunn's vision, if he was always gonna use his influence to end a movie that had nothing to do with his Universe then it shouldn't have been a short Clooney Cameo that ended it on a suppossed Joke rather than a timeline where Batfleck has been replaced by his returning predecessor who played a huge and terrific role in the movie as Keaton did. If that was the ending it would feel apt and would also have left potential to return to veteran Keaton Batman at some point.
For some reason Gunn wanted Clooney at the end. I could have gotten on board with that if it was more. Just give his Batman and his wonderful Robin a part in the movie instead of the reason he was actually brought back. Imagine something like Nic Cage's Superman but with a bit more screen time. We could even have gotten a look at O'Donnell fighting alongside Clooney's Dark Knight as Nightwing. Whatever the issues of Batman and Robin Chris wears a Robin suit that seems like he's gradually growing into Nightwing. It's too late to hope for him as Nightwing in any way I would think but in a different time for Batman and this Genre he could have made a fantastic Nightwing and I would have adored just a little Screen time of Clooney and O'Donnell as Batman and Nightwing in the Flash. I digress but it's about time WB give the main Bat Family a chance.on the big Screen and Chris was terrific in the role. When thinking of future Robins and hopefully a Nightwing Film at last he really captured what you'd want a young adult Dick Grayson to be and I hope for a new incarnation soon that captures that also
Chris O'Donnell wasn't Robin in both movies.
Batman Forever? He was Robin.
Batman and Robin? He was Nightwing.
This version of Robin lives in my 90s dreams
I always thought it was funny that the worst movie of all time gave us one of the best robin and mr freeze
13:21 honestly I liked both costumes they were awesome 🤩
I love his Robin. Love Batman Forever. Only Big screen Robin so far.
I'm a 90s kid so I seen Batman Forever and Batman & Robin in the cinema.
13:15 So good it made it's way into the comics.
Why would grown ass chris o'donnell need to be adopted by Bruce Wayne? This idea died at conception.
Well said!
Chris O’Donnell was a great Robin in some lousy Batman movies. Although I watched Batman Forever again a few years back and I liked it. I mean it still isn’t very good, but it was somewhat better than I remembered. 🤷♂️
I really feel like Jason Todd fans will take anything and be like "well this character is basically Jason Todd". One of the robins gets mad? Well he's just being Jason Todd. One of the robins tries to have fun? Way to copy Jason Todd. One of the robins doesn't gel with Bruce immediately? Thats Jason Todd! Its a little silly
Tim Drake has always been my favorite robin. Well-rounded kid, grounded, a good successor.
I like Chris in Batman Forever but I find him obnoxious in Batman and Robin.
Val Kilmer and Chris O’Donnell running out from behind the bat signal will forever be hard as woodpecker lips.
Looking at it in hindsight, Schumacher was never the reason why the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies were bad, it was the Warner Bros. and McDonald's merchandise marketing that ruined them.
Your prospective on Batman killing Two-Face for Robin's sake is very interesting.🤔🙂 Because I always saw it as Robin being upset that he wasn't the one to kill him.
All facts
I'm just surprised getting v infuso videos
Batman Forever was my favorite Batman movie till 2022. You can guess how I feel about Robin. He's literally just as fun as Batman. He's charming, funny, charismatic. Sure old school fans who read comics can whine. I get it. You want characters to stay the same. But take that bias out and you have an amazing Robin
I didn't like Chris O'Donnell as Robin and pretty much 1995 Joseph Levitt-Gordon as the Boy Wonder. What was Schumacher thinking back then?
He looks a little more like nightwing then robin
I had all those McDonald's cups
Still my favorite live action Robin and the costume is dope.
You know it’s funny it’s called Batman and robin in he’s wearing the Nightwing 🤦♂️
Can you make me want to watch those Batman films again I was a kid when I first saw them and that was the last time I saw them.
“Just overlook the codpiece and the rubber boobs.” 💀 💀 💀 I loved Val Kilmer AND Chris O’Donnell in these movies. I had them on VHS 📼 ❤
You should do a video on the many Robins of the Titans TV show. Which I've all met as a friend of mine was a 2nd Unit Director for multiple episodes.
Chris was definitely great I loved this era when the suits where awesome
Yea when I was a kid I enjoyed his performance. As I got it older I realized these movies were garbage but he’s still pretty cool
Same thing happened for me but Batman and Robin still remain a guilty pleasure for me they got my favorite batman villains even though the movie was awful
What's garbage about them?
@@theoutsiderjess1869 How is it awful?
I totally agree with your statements about his character in Batman Forever. I'd argue that while it's not perfect and not a good sequel to Returns, Forever is a great Batma. Movie. Batman & Robin kind of brings it down by association.
Unfortunately, Batman & Robin isn't even in the top 5 worst superhero films.
Watching this and kicking myself for not getting that Kevin Conroy bday cameo 🤦🏾♂️
I hate how Robin has been gone from the movies for so long. Robin is who I related to as a kid loving Batman
13:09 same
Arkham city robin is definitely based on chris o donnel robin
I always looked at him as Jason Todd bc of the second movie as a kid
Chris...was a brilliant actor. BLAME THE WRITING!!!!
Idea, Next video do a bio of Batgirl Barbara Wilson from Batman & Robin.
Chris O'Donnell was Jason. Period. They changed the name to be more recognizable, but until the original Crisis, Jason's backstory was the same as Dick's, except Jason had an older brother.
In the comics, I think it was Killer Croc that killed his parents, until he was rewritten as the street kid, when Two-Face killed his father ( -may have that backwards- Checked. That's correct).