Super Saiyan 4 Explained

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  • @Geekdom101
    @Geekdom101  4 года назад +590

    I forgot to mention that the reason Baby-Vegeta couldn't do SS4 is because of Baby's cells preventing it. I said it in older videos, but i wanted to reiterate it here. I'll be covering this in the Baby-Vegeta Guide, which is coming soon

    • @gdavis2bn
      @gdavis2bn 4 года назад +2

      So I'm gonna say you have to be able to be an ape to go ssj4. ...so Goten and Trunks can do it? They never had tails. I think that is why they gave it to Gohan in those games. At least that makes sense to me. It is Probably wrong but its a logical explanation and my friends agreed it mad the most sense so I'm rolling with it lol.

    • @NotToBeTakenAway
      @NotToBeTakenAway 4 года назад +3

      gdavis2bn I must be wrong but I thought that was canonical to GT, Goku getting his tail back as a kid playing a huge part in unlocking the transformation

    • @Walt_Chocolate
      @Walt_Chocolate 4 года назад +3

      But sir Geekdom, didn't you know that the Super Saiyan form emits a radiation that power up other Saiyans and makes it easier for them to obtain it. Thus the Super Saiyan "bargain sale". This could possibly lead other life-forms getting a power up as well like Krillin having a story arc and Bulma able to take a slap to the face from Beerus, and drunk no less, without having her head slap clean off. Surely it must be a "gift" from Vegeta.

    • @kadoharp
      @kadoharp 4 года назад +4

      @@gdavis2bn from my understanding I thought only full-blooded saiyans could get the transformation, which is why Gohan never got it in GT and only in the games. But I could be wrong

    • @elpopman2055
      @elpopman2055 4 года назад +2

      The only bad thing about Super Saiyan 4 is the magical clothes that come out of nowhere. I wish they recon that if they incorporate Super Saiyan 4 Dragon Ball super... I feel Super Saiyan 4 should be sort of the permanent state or A Form That Makes Super Saiyan obsolete... The Weakness of The Form is Enhanced aggression... Only Through Mastery This Weakness Can Be negated and improved mastery bring them one step closer for them stack God Ki on top the Form because To convert Ki to God Ki Requires Calm Mind and Considering Super Saiyan 4 is Much more powerful then SS1.. Would mean it would require a higher level of Ki control and Focus..With Skill Ultra Instict beimg One Of Factors Of Mastering The New Form.. Not Ultra Instict Form.. But The technique Ultra instinct

  • @redx9334
    @redx9334 4 года назад +1414

    Super Saiyan 4 is the best thing about GT.

    • @OutsiderAus10
      @OutsiderAus10 4 года назад +115

      That, plus Baby is one of the best villains in the whole franchise IMO.

    • @redx9334
      @redx9334 4 года назад +41

      Aquila King Facts. I like Baby’s vendetta against the Saiyans.

    • @TakeshiInazuma
      @TakeshiInazuma 4 года назад +10

      @@redx9334 He kinda lost it half way through though...

    • @OutsiderAus10
      @OutsiderAus10 4 года назад +34

      @@redx9334 Pretty much the only thing I didn't like about Baby was how he was just as evil as Frieza or King Vegeta with the same end goals of conquering the universe, etc. I think he could've used a bit more nuance in his motivations, make him think of himself as righteous and good, etc. Then he would've been perfect. Besides that though, he's brilliant in concept and design.

    • @redx9334
      @redx9334 4 года назад +14

      Aquila King The thing I didn’t like about Baby was he took over Vegeta’s body. They could’ve done something better than that.

  • @NarutoExplained
    @NarutoExplained 4 года назад +847

    SSJ4 is the best looking transformation in the series. I love the small changes and the feral look that it gives Goku.

    • @Yumemaru.
      @Yumemaru. 3 года назад +35

      Definitely by far the coolest transformation.

    • @muchluck7981
      @muchluck7981 3 года назад +45

      @@Yumemaru. I have always prefered SS4 over SSG. SSG is just boring to me compared to SS4. At least SS4 has something to do with the Saiyan themselves and nothing to do with gathering 5 other super saiyans to turn yourself into a god.

    • @kaitetsujin4349
      @kaitetsujin4349 3 года назад +16

      It does give a Saiyan PRMAL Power instead of Godly Ki so that's understandable

    • @SayianWarrior
      @SayianWarrior 3 года назад +3

      Indeed

    • @JJMomoida
      @JJMomoida 3 года назад +8

      @@muchluck7981 I think I like the IDEA of SSG but the form itself feels kinda flat, design-wise. I think they were trying to be a bit frugal with it since it's meant to be a whole nother thing, what with godly ki and all that but... Idk, it just didn't really seem to land for me and kinda felt like they just gave Goku a few shades of red. Same thing with Blue... Just kinda feels like a color swap of the SSJ1 form.

  • @LegendHimseIf
    @LegendHimseIf 4 года назад +468

    I think a lot of people actually like SSJ4 because of how much more serious Goku is, along with his lack of control and willingness to kill an enemy.

    • @Deathmare235
      @Deathmare235 3 года назад +1

      He’s always serious when transformed though I guess he isn’t a killer

    • @trascendentalreader34
      @trascendentalreader34 3 года назад +22

      @@Deathmare235 Man, when he was a kid killed an entire army lmfao.

    • @Deathmare235
      @Deathmare235 3 года назад +1

      @@trascendentalreader34 only as a kid just look at the kill counts

    • @MrRandomeness87
      @MrRandomeness87 Год назад +5

      well dont forget that the key to tranformations of the sayains is anger. They are a warrior race. the more further the transformation, the more serious goku seems to get. WIth his mind and body in control, all that power and rage becomes honed to that ruthless killing machine you see in front of you

  • @gaukaiser
    @gaukaiser 4 года назад +516

    I like seeing all the different transformations as different branches:
    1. SSJ: Base --> SSJ --> SSJ2 --> SSJ3
    2. God: Base --> SSJ God --> SSJ Blue
    3. Ozzaru: Base --> Ozzaru --> Golden Ozaru --> SSJ4

    • @vexxvenno
      @vexxvenno 4 года назад +36

      God forms are so stupid lazy and trash

    • @dayvonlouis5187
      @dayvonlouis5187 4 года назад +48

      Make sense to me SSJ4 does seem like a evolution of the oozaru transformation and saiyan biology more so than SSJ3

    • @joethegreat1008
      @joethegreat1008 3 года назад +8

      VexxVenno 999 how is it lazy that doesn’t make any sense and how are they trash like wtf

    • @lightinstinct707
      @lightinstinct707 3 года назад +4

      Bumblebee 24 It can happen actually

    • @lightinstinct707
      @lightinstinct707 3 года назад +6

      Bumblebee 24 That’s like saying “Broly wasn’t canon so he can’t happen” lol just make it canon like they did with Gogeta and Broly and buff it easy

  • @OshaneC92
    @OshaneC92 4 года назад +495

    “Magical Pants” lol priceless

    • @aarsyl
      @aarsyl 4 года назад +5

      I was about to comment on that. 🤣

    • @Riley_187
      @Riley_187 4 года назад +9

      They always magically get new clothes lol

    • @SuperRetroGuru
      @SuperRetroGuru 4 года назад

      Geekdom made a funny

    • @AndrewAce.
      @AndrewAce. 4 года назад

      Lmfao

    • @DutchDread
      @DutchDread 4 года назад +3

      I don't understand why people complain about that when Piccolo literally had a clothes beam back at the beginning of Z.

  • @IGoByGhost
    @IGoByGhost 4 года назад +178

    Y'all don't know how much I wanted this to be Super Saiyan God back in the day. It just makes sense for a Super Saiyan God to be in his true primal Saiyan form.

    • @Geekdom101
      @Geekdom101  4 года назад +18

      how could you have even known about God "back in the day" if God wasn't invented until 2013

    • @noobboss0
      @noobboss0 4 года назад +31

      @@Geekdom101 I think he meant he wanted true ssj god to be ssj4 during super but I could be wrong

    • @bradznkw
      @bradznkw 4 года назад +11

      Ssj4 looks badass but not godly at all. Please stop with your blasphemy

    • @IGoByGhost
      @IGoByGhost 4 года назад +4

      @@noobboss0 that is what I meant

    • @MegaVergatron
      @MegaVergatron 4 года назад +21

      Dragon ball super is just lame and stupid, and the new “god”transformations are plain garbage, toriyama milking the dragon ball z cow thats all, gt may not have been great, but at least it was more watchable than the trash super was

  • @red5158077
    @red5158077 4 года назад +164

    Fun fact: Sean Schemmel actually passed out during Goku's Super Saiyan 4 transformation scream

    • @karierainey4435
      @karierainey4435 4 года назад +24

      He couldnt handle the power!!!!!

    • @DustGundam
      @DustGundam 3 года назад +15

      RAAAAAAAAAAA-
      passes out

    • @red5158077
      @red5158077 3 года назад +8

      @@DustGundam Well he was extremely tired during recording.

    • @DustGundam
      @DustGundam 3 года назад +7

      @@red5158077 I know I was just making a joke

    • @red5158077
      @red5158077 3 года назад +5

      @@DustGundam Oh okay sorry

  • @22davdd
    @22davdd 3 года назад +125

    Super Saiyan 4 actually brings the user back to their prime. Which is why Goku was returned to an adult and why Vegeta's hair went back to his DBZ Style.

  • @presidentc4
    @presidentc4 4 года назад +277

    Can't forget about Goku's magical wristbands changing from pink to blue when he goes SS4, that was always so distracting to me as a kid lol. Love the form though

    • @Geekdom101
      @Geekdom101  4 года назад +37

      good point!

    • @VGInterviews
      @VGInterviews 4 года назад +33

      Obviously they transform as well, Legendary Super Wristbands

    • @leonardofarias8843
      @leonardofarias8843 4 года назад +11

      @@Geekdom101 And the magical nulification of the eternal dragon's power

    • @ronaldoh80
      @ronaldoh80 4 года назад +2

      President C4 broooo I just watched the whole series a couple days ago and I never really noticed😂😂😂

    • @chocolatesensei5648
      @chocolatesensei5648 4 года назад +6

      Don't forget his pants get longer

  • @unfocus1507
    @unfocus1507 4 года назад +371

    Finally the goat transformation

    • @Lakefront_Khan
      @Lakefront_Khan 4 года назад +13

      @@doedee1536 Was it as majestic as the eastern mountain peaks?

    • @psychoticpurse6579
      @psychoticpurse6579 4 года назад +1

      "Moro" *cough cough*

    • @cslack813
      @cslack813 4 года назад +2

      If you’re referring to the fact he has fur and a tail lmao yeah

  • @afrowarrior102
    @afrowarrior102 3 года назад +250

    In my opinion Vegeta's means of attaining SSJ4 wasn't cheating. It's similar to how the saiyans created artificial moons to transform into their Oozaru forms while attacking other planets. I think both are pretty innovative honestly.

    • @great159
      @great159 2 года назад +8

      It IS cheating because he created the artfical moon WITH IS OWN POWER. In GT he had to rely on a machine to help him go SSJ4. Let's see Vegeta go SSJ4 at will then.......I didn't think so. IT IS CHEATING🤓

    • @afrowarrior102
      @afrowarrior102 2 года назад +31

      @@great159 And Goku had to rely on the Old Kai to pull his tail out in GT which is the reason he was able to transform into a great ape (again), the golden great ape form, and eventually SSJ4. So does that mean Goku cheated too?

    • @jeekobu
      @jeekobu 2 года назад +6

      @@afrowarrior102 not exactly the best comparison since goku did achieve ssj4 naturally. To be fair to vegeta he couldn't grow a tail since he was an adult but goku would eventually have grown his tail normally

    • @guytheincognito4186
      @guytheincognito4186 2 года назад +5

      @@jeekobu
      That doesn't mean he didn't cheat. There was nothing "Natural" about his tail growth. The fact Vegeta sacrifices some power to create a power ball doesn't change the fact its an "artificial" moon. An intelligent way of cheating out of the need of having to wait and plan for a natural moon to occur on planets with heavy resistance etc..

    • @SuperboyLilly
      @SuperboyLilly 2 года назад

      @@guytheincognito4186 Didn't Gohan cheat when Elder Kai unlocked his potential and then magnified it.

  • @snake909
    @snake909 4 года назад +235

    I always head canon'd it as SS4 reverts you back to when you were in your prime (I remember them saying Vegeta looked younger when he was in SS4 too).

    • @anthonyhutchins2300
      @anthonyhutchins2300 4 года назад +9

      But they really don't have primes... It would be like LeBron James still getting better with every passing year into his 50s haha

    • @snake909
      @snake909 4 года назад +10

      Anthony Hutchins I don’t really agree with that statement but to each its own

    • @anthonyhutchins2300
      @anthonyhutchins2300 4 года назад +7

      @KILLERZEN dumb statement? You're telling me Vegeta isn't stronger in ever facet of his being than he was in his 20s? Saiyans don't age like humans.

    • @anthonyhutchins2300
      @anthonyhutchins2300 4 года назад +14

      @@snake909 don't get me wrong I see what you were saying but Vegeta is getting stronger, faster, smarter every day. All I'm saying I I don't believe that they have reached their primes yet because of how slow Saiyans age.

    • @snake909
      @snake909 4 года назад +1

      Anthony Hutchins not really sure why you are still trying to argue your point after I said I disagree AND said to each its own meaning agree to disagree but okay

  • @Traceghostcoasttocoast
    @Traceghostcoasttocoast 4 года назад +138

    Ss4 gogeta was so strong that they had to end gt now that's powerful

  • @ScottHermanFitness
    @ScottHermanFitness 4 года назад +151

    LOVE YOUR VIDEOS MAN!! I wish Goku and Veget would wish back their tails already!

    • @iamlegend3674
      @iamlegend3674 3 года назад +10

      Lol Bro I see you're a man of culture as well

    • @etam8099
      @etam8099 3 года назад +5

      The tail was cool AF

    • @-Dragon-Master-
      @-Dragon-Master- Год назад +2

      Veget

    • @Perfection-given-form
      @Perfection-given-form 10 месяцев назад +1

      That’s actually something I never thought about, what if they could get a blue great ape or something?

  • @Bellarose36
    @Bellarose36 11 месяцев назад +13

    I love the first super Saiyan transformation because of how iconic Super Saiyan was for the first time. And also Super Saiyan 2 but my most favourite will have to be Super Saiyan 4 due to the look and design. It makes them look more unique and more connected to the Saiyan ape roots adding both sides to one form. Powerful and really cool 💪😎☺️👍

  • @bran77c39
    @bran77c39 4 года назад +271

    Was in the middle watching steve Harvey's helping guys with no game, then ssj4 geekdom video notifications pops up "instant transmission".

    • @ArnezDavid
      @ArnezDavid 4 года назад +1

      Bruh I watched that too xD

    • @ArnezDavid
      @ArnezDavid 4 года назад +3

      @Lakers fan lol

    • @anthonyhutchins2300
      @anthonyhutchins2300 4 года назад +3

      C'mon now... You know Geekdom would call it "instantaneous movement".

    • @Ghostfac3Gaming
      @Ghostfac3Gaming 4 года назад +1

      I feel like the only way Gohan would be able to obtain SSJ4 is because he "once had a tail" maybe he has more Sayian genes than Goten and Trunks

    • @debrahoffman4673
      @debrahoffman4673 4 года назад +1

      Respect you just openly admitted you had no game props

  • @mrD66M
    @mrD66M 4 года назад +690

    Why ppl like SSJ4
    -ties in withe Oozaru / Golden Oozaru transformation
    -it is not just about the length of hair like in Z, or hair colour like in S. New whole appearance and abilities
    -it looks, at least to me, culturally japanese (kabuki) rather than western, hence more authentic
    Solid work G101 👍🏾

    • @joshualowe959
      @joshualowe959 4 года назад +61

      And it is the highest NATURAL level of Super Saiyan that a Saiyan can reach.

    • @NobleBruv
      @NobleBruv 4 года назад +31

      It's a real transformation.

    • @TOSHIIBABY
      @TOSHIIBABY 4 года назад +9

      I dont know about traditional japanese but they went from blonde hair nazi germans to modern flag germans with their warrior race transformations 😄

    • @Unknown-pq9gc
      @Unknown-pq9gc 4 года назад

      U think ss4 could possibly be like a base form of Goku like ultimate Gohan somewhat

    • @mrD66M
      @mrD66M 4 года назад

      @@joshualowe959 what about LSSJ Broly in the film?

  • @SleepyChloeFist
    @SleepyChloeFist 4 года назад +53

    I would love the idea of SS4 being a permanent mutation. It always felt silly to me, seeing Goku revert to and from ss4. I doubt we'll ever see this stuff outside of things like Heroes...

    • @akihiko4346
      @akihiko4346 2 года назад

      it's a transformation for a reason
      to be more realistic

  • @helloworld-lo3fz
    @helloworld-lo3fz 4 года назад +11

    “Mysterious magical pants that happen to grow” classic line right there! 😂😂😂

  • @neku3170
    @neku3170 4 года назад +107

    This is my favorite form by far, it looks too good

    • @toofastnobrakes
      @toofastnobrakes 4 года назад +1

      Neku I agree. But I wish I had been golden with red eyes. Like a condensed golden oozaru. Either that or all red. More like ssj4 gogeta

  • @Fatal_J92
    @Fatal_J92 4 года назад +518

    I honestly always felt that ssj4 was the more natural course that the evolutions should of taken. I guess cause I like the idea of the tail growing back and then taking on more of the Ape characteristics.
    Love the videos. Long time viewer. Take care geekdom

    • @Geekdom101
      @Geekdom101  4 года назад +32

      thanks so much!

    • @OutsiderAus10
      @OutsiderAus10 4 года назад +71

      I don't think the main cast of Saiyans should've ever permanently lost their tails to begin with. I know it could've caused problems with Great Ape transformations down the line, but I just always thought the tail is what kinda helped Saiyans stand out as aliens and be more unique. IDK. That's just me.

    • @metsuryuogikai4907
      @metsuryuogikai4907 4 года назад +14

      @@OutsiderAus10 I agree!

    • @reinaldomartinez13
      @reinaldomartinez13 4 года назад +8

      @@OutsiderAus10 I could be wrong, but I think the tails were removed over time because they were difficult to animate

    • @purplelionpoliticsandhisto5025
      @purplelionpoliticsandhisto5025 4 года назад

      Ok

  • @StareachValcin
    @StareachValcin 4 года назад +67

    Geekdom101, you do make a good point about Vegeta "cheating" to get super saiyan 4, but that's only because Vegeta didn't have his tail. We both know that if Vegeta had his tail, he would have achieved super saiyan 4 on his own.

    • @chazzt.k6576
      @chazzt.k6576 4 года назад +11

      Yea, I used to think it was cheating, but the only reason Vegeta didn't turn SSJ4 was because he didn't have his tail anymore. Bulma had even mentioned that she could've made him surpass SSJ4, but he opted to stay alongside Goku. Vegeta was already strong enough to achieve it. In a hypothetical post GT, I'm sure one of the first things Vegeta did was regrow his tail.

    • @itz_dragonz2343
      @itz_dragonz2343 3 года назад +3

      I agree, because how Vegeta transformed into SSJ4 is that when he was in golden Oozaru or golden great ape vegeta instantly became Super Saiyan 4

    • @Deathmare235
      @Deathmare235 3 года назад +1

      Doesn’t it still count the machine didn’t turn him to SSJ4 it turned him into a golden oozaru

    • @StareachValcin
      @StareachValcin 3 года назад +5

      @@Deathmare235 no. The machine turned Vegeta into a great ape. That's it. Vegeta achieved the golden great ape form and was able to control it on his own.

    • @Deathmare235
      @Deathmare235 3 года назад +1

      @@StareachValcin so even better

  • @azolajubisa2853
    @azolajubisa2853 4 года назад +10

    "mysteriously grows magical pants" *rotfl* I absolutely love that. Made my morning

  • @mister3speed727
    @mister3speed727 4 года назад +140

    I love the lore behind Super Saiyan 4. The design is influenced by the Monkey King from Journey to the West, which Dragon ball is based on. So in a way, Dragon ball comes full circle near the end of GT with Goku becoming the apex of the saiyans, aka the Monkey King.

    • @leonardofarias8843
      @leonardofarias8843 4 года назад +3

      And that's is what makes it outlandish

    • @saalim5098
      @saalim5098 4 года назад +20

      Quinton Wright yeah even goku’s name is based off of the monkey king, son wukong.

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 4 года назад +19

      @@leonardofarias8843 It's Dragonball, the series where Purple Hitler sent Son Wukong Superman to Earth where there's a green slug with a split personality playing God and Devil, a magical dragon summoned by grabbing his balls, a shapeshifting pig, a 300+ y/o pervert with an 800 y/o sister, a fat blue man on a tiny rock in the middle of the afterlife and the ultimate eldergod is Bitch Stewie from Family Guy only with Purple and Blue facepaint.
      In other words, "outlandish" is the Dragonball franchise in a nutshell.

    • @giovonemendoza6531
      @giovonemendoza6531 4 года назад +7

      @@leonardofarias8843 Bruh dragon ball z is outlandish in general

    • @leonardofarias8843
      @leonardofarias8843 4 года назад +1

      @@jamainegardner4193 In comparison to Super Sayian 1

  • @GoldStorm07
    @GoldStorm07 4 года назад +157

    Probably my favourite thing to come out of GT aside from the concept of the Shadow Dragons. I'm even more appreciative of Super Saiyan 4's design after the palette swap transformations proliferating in Super.
    It's complete fanon but I like to think that where regular Super Saiyan draws power from anger and Super Saiyan Blue puts its user in a state of calm, Super Saiyan 4 derives its power from the ape instinct of the Great Ape form, a mental state that best channels the current potential of the transformed Saiyan when properly controlled.

    • @moonraven6145
      @moonraven6145 4 года назад +11

      Tbh that's how i've looked at it as, the power of the Oozaru, but refined more so the user can actually control it and use it's power to the max without losing it or their mind.

    • @MrMisterGaming
      @MrMisterGaming 4 года назад +4

      It's also backed up by the recent Broly movie. It's pretty obvious that he was using the power of Oozaru, and he was in fact filled with rage.

    • @விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்
      @விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் 4 года назад +4

      Actually, SSJ4 was created by controlling the rage of the ape so SSJ4 is in a way a calm form.

    • @MrMisterGaming
      @MrMisterGaming 4 года назад

      @@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் you can control rage and not be calm.

  • @Flaris
    @Flaris Год назад +14

    I like it even more now because of how distinct it remains. DB has mostly forgotten about Saiyans having tails and turning into giant apes period. While this form embraced that part of their heritage. And especially after Super, I'm just appreciating a form that feels different. It looks like a legitimate transformation
    GT may have had issues (everything post DBZ has issues), but this form isn't one of them. And I'm glad that GT just ran with this form instead of trying to force a SSJ5 onto us. This was a pinnacle form and it just made sure to let it stand on its own.

  • @shanewright344
    @shanewright344 4 года назад +14

    I remember reading about ssj4 back in highschool on the internet, and getting fed all of these myths and misconceptions about the form. Although I never watched GT, I still remember being in love with how it looked, and in my opinion, it is the best looking transformation in all of Dragon Ball.

  • @garrettanderson2814
    @garrettanderson2814 4 года назад +238

    "You've gone too far. Now you've gotta deal with me."

  • @vinsennarendra7901
    @vinsennarendra7901 4 года назад +65

    What i really love about SSJ4 is the level of details on it, every user have slight alteration on the fur, eyes and hair color based on their each genetic traits.

  • @6canadian6winter6
    @6canadian6winter6 4 года назад +8

    I remember when my older cousin showed me a limewire downloaded version of the ss4 gt episode when I was like 8 years old and I thought it was the coolest thing I’d ever seen

  • @Webshooters1
    @Webshooters1 4 года назад +11

    "Now you've done it. From here on out it's going to get ugly." - SSJ4 Goku

  • @NarutoExplained
    @NarutoExplained 4 года назад +318

    Not sure if Heroes has done this, but a Ultra Instinct Omen SSJ4 would be freaking amazing to see

    • @mithmoonwalker
      @mithmoonwalker 3 года назад +8

      YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES *YES*
      2 OF MY FAVORITE FORMS COMBINED OH GOD *is in the corner having a fanboy floop*

    • @jusquanorthwind1016
      @jusquanorthwind1016 3 года назад +24

      at that point lets just slap everything together... UI, SSB, Kaio-ken, SSJ4, Potential Unleased (or Ultimate Form), Fusions

    • @kaitetsujin4349
      @kaitetsujin4349 3 года назад +4

      What about Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4?

    • @kaitetsujin4349
      @kaitetsujin4349 3 года назад +2

      And btw I wanna put this here, dunno if this is true but it's in the wiki.
      Super Saiyan transformations cannot be used while using Migatte no gokui. Super Saiyan transformations are made using rage, or in ssgss and ssg's case, focus.
      Migatte no gokui is more on instinct and in the realm above focus, anger or any other emotions.

    • @midnight4759
      @midnight4759 3 года назад +7

      @@kaitetsujin4349 ultra Instinct isn’t a sayian form

  • @grapes9h5
    @grapes9h5 4 года назад +62

    I’ve never been a GT or SS4 guy, but there’s no denying that the story behind it, both in universe and behind the scenes is very interesting. It was pretty cool when Toriyama sketched SS4 Goku for the Dragon Box.

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 4 года назад +1

      I liked how he made it look in that drawing too. Makes me wish he'd put it in as a broly type thing. Even tho I usually don't care about bringing in non canon stuff

    • @dancooke8811
      @dancooke8811 5 месяцев назад

      Super Saiyan 4 is a monkey 🐒 man why do you find it so appealing!

  • @miguelaldana417
    @miguelaldana417 4 года назад +14

    4:50 it wasn’t really cheating. Goku just had a rare occurrence where all the right environmental factors for the blutz waves were present and vegeta simply had bulma synthesize it. Vegeta if anything would have had an easier time achieving it since he was always in full control of his great ape form. :)

  • @MJBBo
    @MJBBo 3 года назад +6

    I first learned of GT from playing final bout on PlayStation. I love that game!!

    • @shaggy5052
      @shaggy5052 3 года назад

      Wish I had a playstation back then I was a Nintendo kid back then

  • @georgehouliaras7239
    @georgehouliaras7239 4 года назад +120

    Can't wait for Cumber to get that form in Heroes someday. He is going to be a beast. Imagine SS4 Cumber and SS4 Xeno Broly joining forces.

    • @ArnezDavid
      @ArnezDavid 4 года назад +5

      I think we gon need a gogeta and a vegito at that point

    • @aytgh
      @aytgh 4 года назад +5

      Super Saiyan 4 mecha-Cumber

    • @georgehouliaras7239
      @georgehouliaras7239 4 года назад +7

      @Lakers fan Yes, since 2010.

    • @stephenschneekloth1535
      @stephenschneekloth1535 4 года назад +1

      SS4 Cumber Fused with SS4 Xeno Broly. Brumber? Cumbly? Broler?

    • @kaptainkibiroproductions45
      @kaptainkibiroproductions45 4 года назад +1

      Lakers fan just because the anime is bad doesn’t mean the series and concepts are bad

  • @ryguyk9375
    @ryguyk9375 4 года назад +83

    Super Saiyan 4 is so badass, but the magical pants was a little weird.

    • @izzyDbuzzin
      @izzyDbuzzin 4 года назад +16

      Magic pants. Man, what about vegetas magical jeans. And not just any jeans, form fitting jeans

    • @ryguyk9375
      @ryguyk9375 4 года назад +3

      @@izzyDbuzzin LOL GT is a mess.

    • @nightwalker174
      @nightwalker174 4 года назад +8

      Ryan Edwards
      CLOTHES BEAM

    • @joshualowe959
      @joshualowe959 4 года назад +2

      And Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta had white pants.

    • @nightwalker174
      @nightwalker174 4 года назад +11

      Joshua Lowe
      Well, The Fusion Dance gives them the Metamoran clothes.

  • @malchalati
    @malchalati 4 года назад +12

    I love ssj4, the design and idea is amazing. I feel that if they made it canon, this should have been the final power, a saiyan could achieve, naturally.

  • @knightflare4595
    @knightflare4595 4 года назад +9

    I like how he says "you" everytime,.like sure we can turn super Saiyan

  • @ryanb1598
    @ryanb1598 4 года назад +16

    SSJ4 was always my favorite form right after 3. I love how badass and menacing it looks, and Gokus demeanor in the form being more serious as well.

  • @Makoto03
    @Makoto03 4 года назад +26

    Super Saiyan 4 is still the most unique and interesting transformation Goku has experienced, imo.

    • @itz_dragonz2343
      @itz_dragonz2343 3 года назад +1

      Obviously because SS4 behavior is Wild AF

  • @mxmtch6619
    @mxmtch6619 4 года назад +5

    Gohan could probably reach it for the soul fact he's the only half breed who was born with a tail

  • @dennisp.5528
    @dennisp.5528 4 года назад +3

    I love how much dokkan art you're using! Really enjoyed this video and the transformation guide series in general. Thanks!

  • @aytgh
    @aytgh 4 года назад +70

    Super Saiyan 4 does have one weakness - the tail. If someone removes it, they possibly lose access to the form.

    • @SRVaris
      @SRVaris 4 года назад +8

      yes but if they depower the lose the tail

    • @Doceli-dg3cn
      @Doceli-dg3cn 4 года назад +2

      True true however the form is a limitbreaker compared to all his other transformations besides ssj god and beyond but consumes way less stamina then all his god forms

    • @saiyangod-wq9ux
      @saiyangod-wq9ux 4 года назад +3

      Their is a way around that which is tucking away the tail or wrap around their waist

    • @user-ki8lz1vi3i
      @user-ki8lz1vi3i 3 года назад +1

      @@saiyangod-wq9ux in ssj4 tail becomes longer

  • @jib4733
    @jib4733 4 года назад +22

    Probably my fav transformation. Gonna love this

  • @UchiGang
    @UchiGang 4 года назад +2

    Yep. You are only validating my theories I’ve had for a really long time. Btw I feel like this and the golden oozaru guides you’ve made won’t be topped as my current favorites cause of what I have COOKIN in my head. You’re the best bro. 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @AdmiraHax
    @AdmiraHax 3 года назад +16

    I always liked to think that Super Saiyan 4 is actually not a Super Saiyan form (because of how different it looks) and its name was just made up by Goku and friends to simplify everything.

    • @lennarthomas
      @lennarthomas 2 года назад +1

      It’s a super Sayian form.

    • @Sadeness99
      @Sadeness99 Год назад

      I'm interested in this idea.

  • @genkidamatrunks6759
    @genkidamatrunks6759 4 года назад +15

    Ah, SSJ4 my favorite transformation. Thank you 👍

  • @FirithPanda
    @FirithPanda 4 года назад +86

    Head Canon: Gogeta has red hair because the red fur colors overtook the black.

    • @mr.boomguy
      @mr.boomguy 4 года назад +5

      Lol. Nice to see the 'head-canon'

    • @emperorbennett2047
      @emperorbennett2047 4 года назад +13

      That's a good theory. Mine is that Vegeta's hair has a reddish tint and they just used the reddish tint for his hair(making it pure red)

  • @MainProtagonist
    @MainProtagonist 4 года назад +47

    I always thought that Super Saiyan 4 transformed the user physically to the pinnacle power of a sayian to his or her's prime and that's how Goku turned into an adult again. Just like saiyans can be in there prime for years before they age. So the prime goku was what the transformation brought him to.

    • @DavidRYates-tk2tq
      @DavidRYates-tk2tq 8 месяцев назад

      I know I'm late, but that's funny because I always just assumed that SS4 was so powerful that it was able to basically override the magic of the wish that turned Goku into a kid, and that's why he turns into an adult as a SS4.

  • @Uchuma74
    @Uchuma74 2 года назад +3

    Nice guide! I still haven't pulled it off yet, several dozen failed attempts so far, but I think i'm getting the hang of this transformation, all thanks to your guide. This one feels a whole lot harder than SSJ3. I'll post a video when i'm finally successful!

  • @Theamz
    @Theamz 4 года назад +125

    Ssj4 is the best transformation.

  • @rujigo69
    @rujigo69 4 года назад +41

    "proactively improving their security" Nord hided the fact they had a hacked server

    • @Singlecartest
      @Singlecartest 4 года назад +2

      Victor Jimenez exactly why I came to the comments lol

    • @magiic3871
      @magiic3871 4 года назад +1

      The fact this isn’t the first comment and how recent that incident is confused tf out of me on why he was advertising this and no one else brought this up. Like wtf

  • @Kuribohchaos8
    @Kuribohchaos8 4 года назад +7

    6:45
    Well from direct quotes in the show, SSj4 was never at full power since he got it. Pan stated that he was fighting baby so long that he was worm out.
    Maybe thats why they list full power ssj4 as a new form

  • @alcatrazvongola
    @alcatrazvongola 4 года назад

    Thank you, Geekdom! I was looking forward to this one for a long time.

  • @Original151
    @Original151 4 года назад +59

    I love these videos so much

  • @AndreB23
    @AndreB23 4 года назад +30

    I really hope they re-introduce SSj4 into Super at some point. Maybe combine it with God-ki, or even combine it with MUI (AKA pay an homage to the fan-made SSj5, what with the silver fur/hair).

  • @soki324
    @soki324 4 года назад

    That was well worth the wait. Great job, bro!

  • @cameronb7161
    @cameronb7161 4 года назад +4

    I like that Nakatsuru had the balls to completely redesign what the typical SSJ transformation looks like and it worked! It's my personal favorite Super Saiyan transformation. Only good thing that came out of GT.

  • @MartellThaCool
    @MartellThaCool 4 года назад +22

    I always wondered what's the super Saiyan 4 history would be had it be been unlocked from the gate

    • @Geekdom101
      @Geekdom101  4 года назад +4

      i mean... itd be a diff story

    • @joshualowe959
      @joshualowe959 4 года назад +1

      Super Saiyan 4 is the pinnacle of natural Saiyan power.

  • @ahayahgaming2349
    @ahayahgaming2349 4 года назад +47

    Ssj4 is my favorite form of goku 🔥

  • @PandemoniumVice
    @PandemoniumVice 4 года назад +14

    Ever since I first watched GT way back in the day, I've always been of the mind that SSJ4 isn't actually a "true" Super Saiyan form. Not in the traditional sense of 1, 2, and 3. Though SSJ3, arguably, taps into the same part of a saiyan's physiology that is utilized in the SSJ4 transformation. Instead, SSJ4 is much more akin to a secondary oozaru transformation. I mean, it requires a Saiyan *capable* of transforming into a Super Saiyan while in Oozaru form ,they must be able to retain their mental faculties while in that form, and it additionally needs a much higher input of Blutz waves. Blutz waves are *only* used to trigger the Oozaru transformation. Therefore, the SSJ4 transformation acts not on the saiyans' S-cells, which are responsible for the Super Saiyan transformation, but instead on the cells related to their oozaru transformation.
    This was just my running theory, and I've not done the in-depth research required to know the *exact* canon functionality of SSJ4 from any sources outside of the GT anime.

    • @KeeeKeeedemon
      @KeeeKeeedemon 2 года назад +1

      My theory was that Super Saiyan 4 was a mutation that branches off the normal Super Saiyan branch. as it has the aura of the regular Super Saiyan.

  • @RealLifeRyan
    @RealLifeRyan 4 года назад

    Great video dude. SS4 was such a great concept/design

  • @theULTIMATElife50
    @theULTIMATElife50 4 года назад +10

    I always thought at the time that SSJ4 was the most complete and controlled form of SSJ, maybe even the true form of SSJ.

  • @son-kun91
    @son-kun91 4 года назад +58

    I won't lie, I like the Ultra Instinct state, but Super Saiyan 4 will always be the Pinnacle of Saiyan Power, to me and certainly more dependable than UI.

    • @littleloss8339
      @littleloss8339 4 года назад +1

      Like, more powerful than ui?

    • @son-kun91
      @son-kun91 4 года назад +3

      @@littleloss8339 No, sir! I did not say that. Idk if Geekdom has thought of this, probably, but hasn't really addressed it. Ultra Instinct is indeed a Powerful state, but cannot be held for long. The Tournament of Power was 48 minutes... from those 48 minutes, Ultra Instinct, in reality only lasted a while. Like about 6-7 minutes if I'm being nice. In GT, Goku was able to hold SSJ4 transformation much longer while fighting Nuova Shenron and onward until he was worn out. On top of that, he pulled it out while being hungry cause he was running from Nuova before actually starting to fight him.

    • @son-kun91
      @son-kun91 4 года назад

      @@littleloss8339 But no, SSJ4 is no where near as Powerful as UI or even Blue. As a Super Saiyan 4 fanatic, I understand that. It can be powerful, but by the time it catches up, UI will just be more powerful.

    • @10xyourlife65
      @10xyourlife65 4 года назад +3

      @@son-kun91 you technically can't prove that super Saiyan blue is stronger than super Saiyan 4

    • @10xyourlife65
      @10xyourlife65 4 года назад +1

      @@son-kun91 and honestly in my opinion I'm leaning towards super Saiyan 4 being stronger for a few reasons

  • @SSJMizfit
    @SSJMizfit 4 года назад

    This video is so great. Thank u so much Geekdom for all you do bud.

  • @lonestarwolfentertainment7184
    @lonestarwolfentertainment7184 2 года назад +4

    The reason I love this Transformation is because it feels like a True Final Form (the endgame of Saiyan Power).

  • @user-ob1ch6vs5q
    @user-ob1ch6vs5q 4 года назад +37

    They should re do the good things from GT and bring them back in super

    • @pnuemicking7347
      @pnuemicking7347 4 года назад +8

      Nah that would make Super way too convoluted and probably just end up ruining it. I'm not saying that Super would get ruined specifically because of the stuff from GT, but introducing a whole other transformation line and a bunch of enemies and everything would undoubtedly just be way too much

    • @supersaiyanwarriorz6775
      @supersaiyanwarriorz6775 4 года назад +7

      No. We need originality in modern dragon ball not fanservice

    • @clickmaster3692
      @clickmaster3692 4 года назад +2

      @@supersaiyanwarriorz6775 Preach!

    • @diarawisteria2218
      @diarawisteria2218 4 года назад +2

      Or we could get a GT remake.

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 4 года назад

      @@diarawisteria2218 much better Idea.

  • @MrStefanops
    @MrStefanops 4 года назад +11

    I think SSJ 4 is by far the coolest transformation, it looks awesome and I love the idea for first needing to turn into a Golden great ape.

    • @itz_dragonz2343
      @itz_dragonz2343 3 года назад

      I so agree because of the red fur and the x10 kamehameha which is red as well

  • @gkarjack504
    @gkarjack504 4 года назад

    Love this classic in depth video bro!

  • @nephiilim
    @nephiilim 4 года назад

    Yooooo! The audio sounds way better. Nice job man!

  • @Juanchosanch0
    @Juanchosanch0 4 года назад +14

    I’ve been waiting all week for this! Finally🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

  • @liamhayes9544
    @liamhayes9544 4 года назад +8

    I already know almost everything about dragonball but still always tune in to your channel. I may not be learning much but I love the way you tell it

  • @deblokz
    @deblokz 4 года назад +5

    I really hope SSJ4 becomes canon one day. Especially with the Moro Arc it has so much potential to make an appearance.

  • @jacksmith3926
    @jacksmith3926 3 года назад

    And this transformation guide is a clear example why you are easily one of the greatest Dragon ball youtubers of all time and it will stay this way for a very long time. Great work once again Geekdom101, keep it up bro.

  • @thatonedude2159
    @thatonedude2159 4 года назад +40

    Super Saiyan 4 is the *GOAT*

  • @Contrabann_
    @Contrabann_ 4 года назад +5

    Been waiting for this :]

  • @RastafariBrudda
    @RastafariBrudda 4 года назад

    Man, how do you always squeeze the best dragon ball clips into these videos? Haha, awesome video as always!

  • @SuperboyLilly
    @SuperboyLilly 4 года назад

    Geekdom101 you just reignited my love for GT, I'm gonna go rewatch some episodes.

  • @dajohnniesanders6997
    @dajohnniesanders6997 4 года назад +13

    My three favorite things out of gt was ssj4, shadow dragon and the truffles!

    • @BlindJedi
      @BlindJedi 4 года назад +1

      Dajohnnie Sanders truffles do taste good.

    • @dajohnniesanders6997
      @dajohnniesanders6997 4 года назад

      @@BlindJedi you right about that!

  • @EnterTalus
    @EnterTalus 4 года назад +39

    I feel like this form deserves a comeback. It was a very good concept by Nakatsuru and could be incorporated into the Dragon Ball Super anime.

    • @Geekdom101
      @Geekdom101  4 года назад +6

      Toriyama had nothing to do with it.

    • @EnterTalus
      @EnterTalus 4 года назад +1

      @@Geekdom101 Fixed it now.

    • @Kurayamiblack
      @Kurayamiblack 4 года назад +1

      SSJ4 just might come back as a transformation achieved by the Saiyans in Universe 6. It may turn out to be extremely powerful but not quite as strong as SSJ God, so Goku and Vegeta don't bother with it meanwhile Cabba and Caulifla rely on it because it's more their style. And Kale just keeps doing her green thing. Maybe even SSJ4 Green? I dunno how far Super will reach into the barrel...
      But this is what I think will happen IF they decide to bring it back at all

    • @johnsnow9307
      @johnsnow9307 4 года назад +4

      @@Kurayamiblack The saiyan girls are some of the worst characters ever introduced. I would prefer never to see them again

    • @Kurayamiblack
      @Kurayamiblack 4 года назад

      Lets be real though... Vegeta has to go to their planet after that big deal he made about it in the Tournament of Power, and it's HIGHLY doubtful that if that happens, Cabba will be the only one of the 3 saiyans they meet up with when they get there

  • @Superavghuman
    @Superavghuman 4 года назад +3

    This is my favorite form, just because of how it works back to the original lore of the saiyan tails and oozaru forms. It felt like the series totally forgot about the tails at some point and I liked that it brought it back in GT

  • @agam2504
    @agam2504 4 года назад +1

    Best transformation video 🔥
    And very well and deeply explained so.

  • @trentonayershandsoffire3620
    @trentonayershandsoffire3620 4 года назад +6

    Thanks geekdom!!! I always have wondered about This transformation

  • @OutsiderAus10
    @OutsiderAus10 4 года назад +20

    Yes! My absolute favorite transformation in all of Dragon Ball.

  • @johnathangoncalo4971
    @johnathangoncalo4971 4 года назад

    Hi, Geekdom!
    Just want to say that I'm a HUGE Dragonball fan. Love your videos, I've watched pretty much every single one of them. Your content is awesome. I can tell you really put a lot of thought and do very thorough research. It's great to see that there are Dragonball fans out there who are truly hardcore, such as yourself, Quaman, and Laughingstock Media. You guys are true fans. I've been a fan since 1997, and I will admit that when I first heard the original Japanese voices, they shocked me in a sense when I was a kid, but they grew on me and I've come to appreciate them as much as I appreciate the Funimation cast. After I began learning Japanese several years ago, I think that's really when I began to falk in love with the original voices and Kikuchi's score...Nozawa's work is steller. Also, I'm a huge fan of Furīza sama and Ryusei Nakao.The Emperor of the Universe is the best, in my opinion. I grew up on Schemmel's Goku, as well as the Faulconer soundtrack, but Shinsuke Kikuchi's music is very good. My favorite track is Bardock's theme song, personally.
    Anyway, keep up the awesome work, man! The name is Johnathan, by the way

  • @supasaiyannegro9395
    @supasaiyannegro9395 4 года назад

    Thanks geekdom, you the best at explaining this stuff

  • @wavemantha4th
    @wavemantha4th 4 года назад +3

    GEEKDOM ITS LIT🔥🔥🔥🔥. Been waitin foe this

  • @kiddlacc6061
    @kiddlacc6061 4 года назад +7

    Been waiting for this vid since the transformation guide started would love to see SSJ4 in super

  • @austinz.9362
    @austinz.9362 4 года назад

    This is fun, nice video. Thanks!

  • @speedfreakDaniel
    @speedfreakDaniel 4 года назад +1

    My fav transformation guide. Ik this is not canon but id love to see a ssj5 guide

  • @Voyevoda0
    @Voyevoda0 4 года назад +11

    i mean vegeta doesnt have a tail so it kinda makes sense that he needed bulma to aquire super saiyan 4 if im not mistaken dont you need a tail to aquire super saiyan 4.

  • @Ghostgaming-hs8jk
    @Ghostgaming-hs8jk 4 года назад +7

    I love drawing SSJ4 Im work on a fan design for Masako What if series What if Raditz kept the Patara earrings and used them to fused with Vegeta

  • @xStrife1997x
    @xStrife1997x 4 года назад

    Solid! Loved this one!

  • @chizz112
    @chizz112 4 года назад

    Great video geekdom

  • @nore5888
    @nore5888 4 года назад +9

    I love this form but I think it would be more accurate to call it something like Primal Super Saiyan or something like that considering the way it’s obtained

  • @jasejyy
    @jasejyy 4 года назад +6

    Love you geekdom buddy. your vids never disappoint

  • @mikevance742
    @mikevance742 4 года назад

    Dude you always make killer videos

  • @Cygore2012
    @Cygore2012 4 года назад

    Great video!