@@Hardwareunboxed And all that although you explicitly did not recommend buying RX 570 during Corona and GPU shortage as a gap stop option, RX 5700 (XT) when it was the best bang for buck and also did not recommend to consider RX 6950 XT instead of RTX 4070 because of VRAM like 3 month ago. Didn't you? I mean that would be consumer friendly and we all know the only channel there is for being consumer friendly is LTT. :D
Amd didn't make enough and it paper launched when it came out. My friend and most people had to wait over a 6 months to get one with a 100 dollar markup. Wasn't as bad as the pricing during the mining boom right after but this card only got redeemed after the price cuts
The 6800XT (and 6800) have been absolute 1440p beasts for a couple of years now. I don't expect to see many people get rid of them for some time yet due to performance & price of newer products.
Just sold mine on Ebay, only due to the Starfield Premium promotion tbh. Upgraded to a 7900xt for just $300. I was going to buy Starfield anyways so the bundle just made sense and made the upgrade cheaper.
It's almost as if Nvidia made a 4050ti card, branded is as a 4060ti and slapped a 4070 price on it. Weird huh. Great video Steve, thank you for your time and hard work!
@@revenant6872amazing for 3d rendering though, on the productivity side, it's a quadro with 16gb, so it's like they priced it for that as well, just didn't really advertise it because 3d artists just know.
This happened sir.4050ti disguised as a 60 card for a 70 card price.And etc upwards.4060 as a 70 card for a 80 price.4070 as a 80 card for a halo price.4080 no existed in this generation.
It is not surprising at all. Companies do market research and if they find out their customers are very stupid and will buy anything, then this is what happens.
was something similar to me, going from 480 to 6800 xt ( sure i paid like double for 6800 XT for what i paid for 480) but that card is amazing still think MSI 480 Gaming X is best GPU i ever owned, that value was insane
@@Trisstan20 i bought a 6 month old mining 8gb rx570 the sapphire one. I used it every single day for over 6 years before upgrading, the card? 0 issues the 6 years i had it. Even the thermal pads had a little bit longer to go before i truly had to replace but now that card has a fresh coat of paste and brand new thermals pads sits in my closet on retirement I LOVE that card i will never sell it i bought it on Mercari for 98$ shipped to me best 100$ ive ever spent. Now i own a 6700 obviously sapphire again and again 0 complaints only driver issues but thats AMD for you
where i live (here in scandinavia), the best value high/midrange gpu has for a while been the 6950XT, since it has been on sale for nearly same price as the 6800XT cards. sadly power are more pricy up here, so power consumption has to come into consideration a lot more than for most of the world i gues. I did pick up the 6800XT in the spring however, but that was before the best prices of 6800XT/6950XT had hit the marked, due to my old 3060TI dieing within warrenty, so spend a bit extra to upgrade to the 6800XT. I fear a lot of users in northen europe may opt for RTX4000 series tho alone from the power consumption part, since thats prob a bigger deal here in manny cases.
@mermaidinamanhole5796 If you're comfortable with it Undervolting will save so much on power draw with virtually no clock speed loss or decrease in FPS. My 6700 has been sitting at a -100mlv undervolt since the day I got it. I can confirm when I'm not undevolting I will see 200+ total Watts drawn from my GPU but when I undervolt. 100-130 depending om the settings I choose 150w Maybe And Undervolting won't hurt the card if you're thinking of it like a overclock
It was the new 1080ti last fall when they could be had for 520$ from Newegg. Now we are getting a bit close to next gen (presumably fall 2024) for gamers to get the maximum value out of it. And UE5 crushes it except for 1080p.
@@mercmaniac666 really any of the amd 6k lineup is proving to be the best option for people that need a GPU now. in every price bracket it wins hands over fist to nvidia's current and prior gen.
Yep The 12 GB 6700XT will be the new RX 580 ad the 6800 XT is easily the new 1080 Ti. They'll be even more popular as used cards three years from now. Lovelace and RDNA3 aren't even worth looking at unless you've got at least a thousand dollars to spend. No thank you to that.
In my country the 16gb 4060 Tis cost the same as 6950 XTs. Even if you don't want a 350W card you can undervolt it and cap the the power consumption to 250W and the card will still peform at over 90% of it's max performance.
Some of the prices are insane yes. 4060ti 16GB is slightly cheaper than 6950XT here but only by about 50 bucks. It is way too overpriced. 6700XT cost just a bit over half as much. I basically only recommend Radeon 6000 cards to people. It’s even worse at the lower end with 6600 being roughly equal to a 3060 but is much cheaper here than a 3050. The 3050 should be a 150 dollar GPU at this point to make any sense at all.
@@OrjonZ You are objectively wrong - to get most out of 6xxx you need to increase the power limit, drop the voltage (uv) and then overclock (oc). Transistors are charge NOT voltage driven devices; dropping the voltage allows higher current at same temperature - or lower temperature at same current. This is how we can get higher clock speeds.
@@OrjonZ I too love spreading misinformation on the internet. They're not mutually exclusive. You can overclock a card's clock speed over stock and undervolt it at the same time. My 5700XT runs at over the advertised boost clock at lower voltages than stock.
I’m so glad that I got my RX 6800 XT for $400 bucks the beginning of this year, way better than paying $400 for a 4060 TI with only 8gb VRAM and way more performance.
I got mine for $450 open box in November. I was actually hesitating as I wanted to wait for the 4060ti, as I thought it would be 6800xt performance. Now I'm just glad I bought it and didn't wait lol
I am hoping to replace my 1080 Ti with a (hopefully comes true) $699 5070 16GB :) since I refuse to pay over what I paid for the 1080 Ti or I might get a 7900 XT when it drops to $699.
I'm currently pressing F to pay my respects to the inevitable hundreds of thousands of NPCs who will buy a 4060 Ti over a 6800 XT because some fanboys on the internet told them AMD drivers suck or some other outdated nonsense. The gap between these similarly priced cards may as well be as wide as the grand canyon as far as gaming is concerned.
Very satisfying to see the 4060ti 16gb get trounced so thoroughly across the board like that! No buyer's remorse for me picking the 6800XT a few months back haha And a big thank you for putting in the effort of testing them across so many games!
I honestly can't think of a better example for "there are no bad products, just bad pricing". The RTX 4060 Ti 16gb is a pretty awesome, highly efficient GPU with sufficient VRAM and extensive Nvidia featureset... it should just be a $300 product.
Yeah look just ask them to remove your 128 bit Memory Bus, so you keep 0 bit or maybe 1bit and you have the 4060ti 18Gb VRam for 300€. And so the memory Bandwidth from 448Gb/s 3060ti to 4060ti=288Gb/s (3070ti 608gb/s) so they took so much already you ask them to take it all but 1Gb/s (just in case it lows the performance somehow lol) and you get the 4060ti for 220$! And the Bus Interface PCIe 4.0x16 to 4x8? Idk what that sht is but take it away completely why they still putting worthless chips that hight the cost because of Chinese massive manufacturation mafia?! We the consumer deserve better prize for VRam on already great graphic card that has 7.000rpm fans and gpu clock 2700 mhz!
And the 6800XT is 2.5 years old, still going very strong at 1440P. Honestly the 1080Ti of its generation thanks to the price, performance and VRAM. I own one and it performs great, haven't even had to enable FSR yet . I expect it to easily last until 2025, longer if I want to stretch it with FSR2.
AMD has always aged like fine wine aye. I unfortunetly went nvidia and bought the 3080, great card, but yea vram limitations on that too. Its aged like cheap wine, though the 3070 is worse, which i think has aged like milk..
yeah, it aged well, especially with the latest high end CPU; I expect the same with the 4090FE paired with a Ryzen 9800X3D (ZEN 6) with probably +50% uplift (vs 5800X3D, or a bit less vs a 7800X3D, for example) It's the shame that for almost 2 year that 6800XT cost more than twice its MSRP in Europe (only now it's at MSRP or so...)
The gap between 4060 Ti and 4070 is way too huge, both by performance and price, otherwise 4070 should be the one competing with 6800XT at 500-400$ price.
That is a big part of the problem. NVidia seems to have moved every card up at least one price level. 4070 would be a very good $400 card, it's a barely acceptable at $500, and insane at it's actually MSRP. I am thinking the RX7700XT, if it comes in at a similar price point will be a significant player in the GPU market for gamers for a while to come.
People are buying it for that but it's a shortsighted business approach that will shrink the market cap for PC gamers as regular gamers will just buy consoles for the same or better performance. Or used older gen PC's like a 3080 build. I mean 6800 is old Gen now... Still crazy pricing wise for just playing games. I.E. the prices even at what you say is far too high to truly be competitive. At these entry prices for even mid tier let alone high tier it's actually counter productive imo. The reason consoles do so well is because they get optimizations and they're affordable. For 500 you can have 4k 60fps or 1440p 120 in some titles. The prices only seem to be getting worse even. I think eventually they'll be threatened by cloud gaming and consoles to the point that it'll slowly become irrelevant if a competitor doesn't come out to drag these prices down to at least have a tier to compete with regular game stations. If they took to performance optimizations and prioritized the actual cards we know people are really using? I could see that reversing. They could grow the community. But Windows itself puts a stranglehold on things.
@@OldManBadly A card that can run 4k most games and 1440p full ray tracing with ease is a 400 dollar card? Can I go to your delusional universe where 4k gaming costs 400 dollars please that sounds like a lovely place.
And for those whom were paying attention, with only very rare exception - mostly while using ray tracing - the Radeon 1% lows were higher than the GeForce average per resolution.
Ofc they will what do you mean ''still holding up'' ? They are not 20 year old cards. My r9 390 bougth at 2016 recently died and I was playing rdr2 cyberpunk med to some high settings. (8gbram i5-6500 h170 gamingm3)
Moreso because Nvidia sucks so badly right now than because the 6000 series is uniquely "good" in any way. The people who bought the 5700XT made a very good choice, however.
I had to buy a card during the Bad Times. The RX 6900 XT 16 GB has been crazy good to me. I got it at "only" +20% over MSRP at the time (and it went up immediately after.) I'm still happy even paying that much, and will get years of use out of it.
Exactly. The 6900XT is still not really worth it when compared to the 6800XT and the 6950XT. Going up or down is all about your preference on price, and power draw concerns. I got a 6800XT for $500 flat last year instead of a $600 XFX 6950XT because my EVGA P2 650W probably wouldn't handle the transients and both cards were going out of stock instantly.
was gonna get a £500 powercolor 6800xt until i found an insane deal on an asus 6900xt for £580, i had to ok :3 id tell anyone to get the 6800xt tho, amazing deal rn
The RX 6800XT is kinda overshadowed by the RTX 3080Ti (a friend bought it years ago for 700 new and it's the ASUS OC version, it's basically a 3090 with half the VRAM). 6800XT needs a wider memory bus, it looks like the 3080Ti is the minimum for that.
6800xt is also an absolute beast of an overclocker. I’ve got mine to score much higher the average graphic score for a stock 3090 by tweaking the settings and dropping the voltage to 1000mV
and you can overclock the 3090 too.. those comparisons are bullshit. but no DLSS, no Cuda, no rtx voice, no great RT performance, bad software support in programs etc etc. so its just ok for gaming today, nothing for the future.
The price of unit comparison is what matters, everyone knows there are higher end nvidia gpus that can beat the 6800xt, issue is they aren't in the same price bracket, price vs price the 6800xt hands down kicks the crap out of a two year newer similarly priced gpu which is telling.
It also doesn't help nVidias defence that I can also find an RX 6900 XT Red Devil for the same price as the cheapest 4060 ti 16gb in Romania right now.
We all know Nvidia's pricing is all out of whack and overinflated. If you want to argue that one card is overpriced fine, but you can't use that as an advantage to cheat and compare a budget card to a higher tier just because it's currently cheaper. Prices fluctuate. If you want to use that as your basis then all your comparing is who sells a cheaper card. Honestly I would be embarrassed to make this comparison if I were Radeon.
@@Anubis78250 What are you talking about? If you want to buy a new card would you get the best in the low range or the worst in the high range? Of course you would get the one that offers more performance if it costs the same unless the electricity really can make a big difference overtime. If you can find the 3070ti / 3080 at the same price the 4060 ti it's a better buy than the 4060 ti as well.
@@Anubis78250 That being said, in Romania the 3080 10GB can be found for 650 USD from an unknown brand (AFOX) and 700 USD from Biostar (which most likely sucks as well). The first known brand is Gigabyte that sells it for about 1100 USD which is ridiculous considering it's age and the fact that you can find 4070 ti's for the same price. The 3070 ti's do sell for about 600 USD but then again, you are investing in an 8GB VRAM only card which I wouldn't recommend at this time seeing how the game requirements increase. The only option from last gen is the 3080 12GB or higher but that starts at 1200 USD which is "no buy" land for everyone that actually checks the performance/value of the products as the 4070 Ti is already cheaper than that.
@@alexandruilea915 You're talking about two different things. If you want to compare performance you should be comparing same tier products. Pricing is of no importance. If you want to compare value, that's another story. Not to mention one that changes constantly as prices fluctuate. For example right now the 4060 is 3/4 the price of a 6800. I'm responding to the whole notion that Radeon is better than Nvidia because a higher performance tier Radeon beats a lower performance tier Nvidia. A lot like saying one car manufacturer is better than another because their high end car beats the others low end car.
The 3080 could have been what the 6800xt is now if it had more VRAM, but nvidia purposefully gave it a weird amount of vram to make it obsolete in a few years. Then they did the same with the 4000 series cards.
Yeah, its kinda crazy how well received the 3000 series was, and how quickly its becoming obsolete because of memory issues. People still talk how long their 1080 (TI) cards did their jobs, but the 3k/4k series wont repeat that. To be fair, the 1080 TI did have more memory than the 3080.
@@termitreter6545 Nothing crazy about it. The 3080 came out with a $699 price tag and brutally murdered the former 2080 Ti, which you should remember also like 150% more money than a 3080. And even the $499 3070 was equivalent to a 2080 Ti, just with less VRAM. The 3060 Ti was also a great performer for $399. So, of course it was well-received. The only thing that killed the 30-series was crypto
@@rustler08 500 bucks for a 3070 was already really damn expensive if you ask me. Crypto was already a thing, and the 2000 series was pretty bad for its high price. And the memory was always a joke. 10gb when AMDs direct competitors had 16gb. Like, AMD had budget GPUs like RX 470 GPUs with 8gb of memory.
the 4060 TI 16GB is a great 1080p card with excellent power consumption... only issue I have with it... the price is 200 dollars too high... it's price is ridiculous...
I just realized a little bit ago, that the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB would be competing with the RX6800/69XX gpus, didn’t expect Steve to make a video about it so fast
@@haewymetal 800 Euro? IN SWEDEN? WTH man..... In Poland (we got biggest prices) 800 Euro is ~3500PLN - 6800 XT starts at 2600 PLN (580 Euro). Check 6900 XT or 6950XT - there was a time, when these were cheaper than 6800 XT.
@@haewymetal At least on price, because in the US they are ~ the same price. Which is insane because the 6800XT was originally competing with the 3070ti/3080, so this is why it's totally trashing the 4060ti. I'm not sure why the price discrepancy is what it is there. You also looked on newegg and found that the 4060ti 8gb is about $400... but this comparison is specifically about the 4060ti 16gb, because they 8gb shouldn't even exist and the 16gb costs over $500 USD.
@@haewymetal Why are you talking about the 8GB version? This video is talking about the 16GB version, which is priced very close to the 6800 XT. If you want to look at a reasonable price comparison for the 4060 Ti 8GB, look at the RX 6800. Which is still faster.
I like how you addressed the undervolting option in this video as moot since both cards can do it. I still do appreciate that undervolting the 6800XT could help to cool down a gaming room in the summers since summer seem to be getting hotter everywhere on the planet.
I bought a new PC just a couple of weeks ago and had about 500$ to spend on a GPU and went with a 6800xt. Great to see that someone very knowledgeable about this stuff agrees with my choice.
It's around ~700 USD in Romania also, ludicrous price for the performance. 100% agree on the 350$ price, considering 6800 XT is about 550(here) new, and the 6950XT is 700. You have to be insane to take 4060TI over 6950XT.
Thanks for the quality as per usual and I enjoyed the intro immensely. I bought my 6800 XT during the summer sales for $480 which makes this even more hilarious than it otherwise might be.
Since I got my 6800XT, playing at 3440x1440p quickly revealed to me how right I was to choose it over the 4070. Even older games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided hit 10gb, and "The Ascent" hit 12.5GB.
that not how it works, lmao. A lot of games RESERVE your vram, not using all of it. Also, faster vram = lower vram consumption. Please, learn some basic things before talking about things u do not understand. And yeah, as user of amd in the past, amd cards always more loaded in vram than nvidia, just quick remark xDD I cant be happier with my 4070 playing cyberpunk on ultra with RT ultra in 80-100fps and dont tell me please, that RT is marketing and etc, just turn it and watch how it changes looks of the game in better way or check it in dying light 2, RT significantly improves lighting in the game
@@NoKkiDuDe "Please learn about blabla" is the telltale sign of an uppity, eternally online 'bundle of sticks' coping in someone's thread. God I wish you could swear in youtube comments, because that's what you are. I understand that reserved =/= necessity. But it means it requires that much for all the assets the game uses. So that means if you have less, it has to stream data from the SSD or system memory to the VRAM. Now if the delta between reserved and available is low it will manage, but you might get a few frametime spikes. But if it becomes too high you sill start to hit a point where it will be streaming too much and causes slowdowns. And you can cope with your 4070 all day, it doesn't negate the fact it has 4GB less, and it will at some point require you to drop texture settings way before I will. And you can have all the shiney RT reflections you want, that is way more noticeable. So kindly, get lost and take your copes with you. Yes RT overdrive looks pretty good. But your 4070 can't run that at 4K either. Not without heavy upscaling and FG, and that is just not the same as natively hitting that fps.
I passed along my 3070 to my son and got a 6800xt for the exact same reasons. Never regretted it. The 3070 couldn't keep up using an ultra wide. Used it for over a year and the 6800xt was a beast.
I own an RX 6800 XT (Asus TUF) paired with a 5800X. Since Jan 2021. I play at 1080p Ultra settings. I know the card is slightly overkill but I enjoy high fps and maxing out my 240hz monitor. I also mainly play competitive shooters like OW2 and Valorant. It has been a gem so far. No hiccups, stable games, great drivers. In terms of power consumption, it is quite high at stock settings. Thankfully, mine does really well with a cool -150mV undervolt. That coupled with a beefy cooler which is the same used on the Asus TUF RX 6900 XT means this card barely goes above 62c while gaming.
I also have an asus tuf 6800xt. The uv on these cards were not made by subtracting mV, because it acts as a negative offset and can cause instability. Ideally to check the full stability of the rdna2 the free time spy is suitable. It catches instability better than rdr2, control and witcher 3. Try to score at least 4 passes in a row. If you want to significantly improve the operating culture at the cost of max 6-7% performance set max clocks to 2100, minimum clocks to 2000. The memory clock can also up to around 2100. Def power limit. Offset that is mV in the wattman set to 1120 (that is 30mV offset), this in itself does not give much, so do not worry). The drop in power consumption will be very significant. Temperatures much better.
After AMD's initial stupidity with pricing, and corresponding "walk of shame" price adjustment, the 7900XT is an effing crow bar breaking Nvidia's entusiast range appart (if you're not stupidly brand loyal like the people who bought Intel 11th gen at silly prices when Ryzen 5000 was laying waste to everything in it's path). Personally I'm just a few weeks from pulling the trigger on a 7900XTX. RT performance like the 4080 (in everything except Cyberpunk 2077: The Hatchet Job) and raster performance between the 4080 and 4090 for 20% less than the 4080 is just not an argument nobody should even have to think twice about.
@@andersjjensen Yeah, but what about the drivers, thermals and noise? Just kidding, venting some of that left over Nvidia fan boy that got cancelled by RDNA2. Truth is, I don't think I've ever had a smoother time of it than I have since I got my 6800XT (along with a 5800X) in May 2021 after years of being stuck in the Intel/Nvidia rut. Seriously, less issues over a similar time frame with any of the several combos of the latter I've had over the years. The difference for me was, given the timing and necessity of my buy I paid somewhat over MSRP for this 6800XT. But at least it was with me in 3 days compared to what became months wait times and queueing systems for the 3080, nm it being at least +50-100% the price for another year. But needs must. Well, more than good enough for the 7900XT/XTX to be my primary target for any ideas of upgrading any time soon for all kinds of good reasons.
I had purchased my 6800XT (Asrock Taichi) 1 maybe 2 years ago now.. The fact that it has 16GB vram I will be holding onto this card for a long time, I think they did a great job, all my games so far play very smoothly at 1440p and it runs cool unlike the vega 64 it had replaced lol.
@@makavelismith If I'm reading you right, then the answer is the 6800XT is at least a three-year card. That's the only kind to buy unless you've got enough spare cash to always buy the top card available.
How many new games that might crush the card will even come out in less than 2 measly years lol. This card will last you allot longer if you use it right and most games are not even worth the money or processing power of your GPU now in days anyway to be honest lol. Hogwarts was great if you weren't stuck on a green card lol. The 6800xt will last out the rest of this console generation cycle with no problems.
I'm still running a GTX 1070, though looking at an upgrade now. A 6800XT would easily last me another six years, even though it's nearly three years old already.
As always, if you give them the same power budget they're not very different. I'd get the 6950xt as well with those prices, but the main advantage is just stock clock speeds, as the old amd theme of not scaling well with extra CUs holds true once again. If the 6800xt is even just 70-80 bucks cheaper i'd get it over the 6950xt
The 6000 series cards do undervolt quite well with just a small performance hit. RDNA2 is one of the best gens for rasterization performance 👏🏻 A 128-Bit bus on a $500 video card is a disgrace, regardless of the L2 cache increase.
@jake9854 thats a moot point. The vast majority of gamers are not cranking RT up because most vid cards to this day still provide an ok experience at best.
Also, if you buy a 6800XT right now, you also get the Premium Edition of Starfield (Which is 100 bucks by itself) on top. That's a great value-proposition if you were going to get a new GPU and the game anyway.
Just bought a 6800xt (my first AMD gpu after 2 NVIDIA) to build a couch gaming system in my living room. Crazy good value and has hit 4K 60 fps (refresh rate of my tv) at high settings in everything I’ve thrown at it.
@@garyb7193 not really, rtx 4000 is selling like dog 💩💩 right now, if it wasn't for their booming AI business as well as a complete monopoly, prices would've a lot lower.
@@TeoTH80 It shows them up for relabelling models. They are pretty much all a full model number ahead of what they actually are, technically. That's why they suck.
And yet we all know the 4060TI will outsell the 6800XT ten fold. All we can do is continue to try and enlighten people that there is more than one option, and they should do some form of research on their purchase. Keep fighting the good fight, Steve
People go from Radeon to Nvidia never Nvidia to Radeon. Now people are choosing AMD out of spite, not Quality. Streaming, Productivity, Drivers stability, etc. Nvidia wins. Navi wasnt the "Ryzen of GPUs". Nvidia still doesnt have any real competition.
Please make a video on undervolting 6800XT, it's such an underrated topic and the amount of power consumption (and noise respectively) you can drop is mindblowing. Simply dropping Max Frequency to 2250 (maybe lower or higher depending on silicon lottery, go in increments of 25 and stay one increment below what you think is stable) and Voltage to 881 in Radeon software usually does it. 37.5% power consumption reduction in exchange for 5% fps loss (more like 3-4% really). YMMV but should be pretty close, especially on OC SKUs Would be curious what can be achieved with 4060Ti though, so a head-to-head battle on sweet spot efficiency levels (where power consumption doesn't go exponential compared to FPS gained) would be interesting
Depending on what you want to achieve you don't even need to downclock it to be honest My watercooled Red Devil is at -125mv and boost to 2500Mhz, depending on the game it consumes 220W-270W only, I'm not pushing it more because I like the silence and the temps are nice at 44c. Such a great card, I don't see myself upgrading for a while, gaming at 1440p without RT
@@halmyrach yeah, initially I too was sitting at -125mV (1025mV, though these voltages are kind of unintuitive) and power consumption was maxing out at 230W, but then decided to see if I can find a sweet spot with optimal power-per-frame and that's how I got to 175W, honestly that 5% fps drop is so insignificant compared to decrease in power draw so I decided to stick to it, but my main concern was noise and coil whine specifically, so if your card is already dead quiet there's little reason to underclock (though I do appreciate how much less heat is pumped into my room, it's really noticeable between 280W and 175W)
@@cotneit Interesting, I will give it a try. Right now I'm kind of happy to have some heat going through the loop given the cold weather, but it could be useful during big heatwaves :P Did you also apply a downclock of the memory or is it still 2000Mhz?
6800 XT in project phase was originally intended to be equivalent to the 3080 TI. When released, it was intended to be a counterpart 3080. Then started losing with 3070 TI (RT, DLSS), loosing with next gen 4070 (RT, DLSS, FG). Has now fallen to the level 3060 TI and 4060 TI! 🤣 But when using DLSS and FG in 4060 TI, then 6800 XT winning isn't cleary! 😂
I've been saying for years that it's downright criminal how the RX 6800 XT has been ignored in favour of the RX 6900 XT. Even Techspot doesn't have it in its GPU listings, only having the 6800. The 6800 XT offered the best value at the high-end and yet these sites ignored it. Kinda makes you wonder why, eh?
I have the XFX SWFT 6800XT and it's so Beastly and fast. I picked it up for $900 when I got it and it was worth it back then. That card is how I play at 4K high to ultra settings..
And Honestly they are running all these games maxed, most people are playing with the settings and with this card in a lot of games people are still playing that maybe older, the 6800XT crushes those games like Titan Fall 2, I know it's older but it's still fun. And a game like Cyber Punk I can lower down to high settings and tweak them a little more and get a 100 FPS high setting experience in 4K and I am a big freesync guy.
I'm very, very happy with my 6800XT and glad I went for it over the 3060Ti I was originally planning on. It's my first AMD GPU for a good few years and I'm over the moon with it's performance at 1440p, it's an absolute beast.
I got a used 6800 for about $350USD (529AUD). It's in perfect condition and I'm upgrading from an RX580 and/or a 1070. I know it's a step down and I spent a lot of time thinking about it before pulling the trigger but I have zero regrets. I almost feel bad for the miner who sold it to the ebay reseller, must have taken a big loss. They were selling for like 2K AUD 18 months ago.
Same here. An ex mining card that I was able to track and turned out wasn't used much for mining. I paid 400 euros last November when the whole crypto crap tumbled and some (hobby) miners were scrambling to sell. It runs every game I play at 4K 60fps.
WIthin 15% of the XT give or take. You got a great buy. Not many scenarios where that 15% will make or break your gameplay experience at 1440p or 1080p.
Brutal and as a 4090 owner, this was satisfying to see. It's one thing to do a little of price gouging at the very top, but with this generation the very top end was a comparitively much better price vs performance competitor thannormal at the pretty extreme expense of the middle and lower tier cards. And why I say that is at the very high end we're getting a great experience regardless and are paying a premium for bragging rights or just a marginally better experience where people at the other end are getting not only a significantly worse experience, but way less than normal longevity out of their cards. This is ripping off those who can't afford better, potentially costing them more in the long run, and creating a barrier of entry in the PC space that could potentially reduce the amount of PC gamers overtime. If I was on a strict budget, the consoles just become way too appealing imo. Good video and a deserved shalacking.
You know what's the saddest part? A 2 ½ year product objectively being better than Nvidia's but if you go to Steam HW Survey the 4060 TI is already close to the 6800 XT. Honestly, gamers deserve getting pegged by Nvidia.
I got a 290 for £200 that lasted years. Replaced with a 6800 XT that I massively overpaid for but didn't want to keep waiting. I expect this to last a while yet unless RDNA4 mid-range provides a big enough upgrade.
Really glad I started watching this channel in particular when I built my system in early 2021. I went all AMD and I've been super happy with my choice. My system crushed inventor and solidworks when that was my job and crushed all games I ever felt like playing with my 6800xt se and 5800x
I got myself a 6950XT for 620€ some weeks ago. That was when the 7800XT was still around 800€ and the 4070(Ti) also quite more expensive. Best buy ever. Tested drivers and extreme performance for a "cheap" card. I mean, when they released the 6XXX line I wanted a card for at max. 650€, so the 6800XT back then, but wasn't available because of the crypto boom. The 6950XT is a hell of a beast for raster and RT also work okish. I don't use it anyway or not much, for me it's still more of a feature and not something must have. This will be, if we can run RT on a mid performance GPU at high frame rates. The only downside to the 7800XT or 4070 Ti (I need/want the RAM, so no real alternatives) is the higher power usage. But I play in 3440x1440 and my monitor only supports 100hz max with free sync, so I use chill a lot. And I prefer nice graphics to high frame rates. 60 FPS works fine for me. More is noticeable, but as I don't play competitive anymore, I don't care. And after we move (soon), I have solar panels and a battery, that will mitigate a lot of my power bill. So honestly, IMHO the past gen GPU's are still a lot more attractive then the current gen. But it gets there. Hell, AMD could've wiped the floor easily with Nvidia, if they had priced the new cards for like 600€ and 800€ for the XTX. And still get a large margin. But that would've annihilated their old stock and their sellers/producers, so I guess that's one of the main reasons, they didn't do it.
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@@CsZs7246 you're not everyone bro ! Adrenaline, which is the AMD équivalent of GeForce experience and much better allows to do that in 2 clicks so you can be sure that if an owner of 6800/6900 XT is concerned with his GPU power draw, he will be able to do that optimization in 10 sec.
@@CsZs7246 I got my Red Devil 6700XT to do 93% on average of the reference model at only 65% TDP (230W vs 150W) by carefully tuning VCORE and VMEM, and that's what I run daily. Giving up 7% performance for a whisper quiet system, that doesn't turn my home office into an oven during summer, is a no-brainer to me. My 5950X, on the other hand, was less lucky (I also bought it at launch, so very early silicon) as it will only take a -10mv offset before it start dropping clocks, so I'll "have to live with" the 110W TDP there unless I want my compile jobs to take longer. But the total system is right around 300W when I have a compile job running on CCD0 and the game I'm playing, while waiting, on CCD1.
Honestly the 4060 Ti would be interesting for it's new encoder and AV1 encode support but 500 for that seems like burning money, since one could buy the Intel Arc a380 for encoding and its less than 1/3 of the price.
@@cl_0ud470 You cannot even encode with AV1 on twitch, only on RUclips... Theres a reason Nvidia cards are Gold standard for streamers, nvenc is just far superior to AMDs solution. Also considering most streamers have their PC's running basically 24/7 the power draw can also not be understated, over the years a 4060 or 4070 will save you a lot of money on that, especially if you live in a country where power costs have been inflated (like here in Germany)
I'm happy I bought an ASRock Taichi 6800XT last year, it's a solid performer and I like how well it's holding up alongside the newer generation products.
in eary 2022, i bought a 3070 (8GB) at Microcenter replacing a 2060. After installing it, I was able to get a 6800XT (16GB) reference card directly from AMD at MRSP . I was able return the 3070 to Microcenter. So glad I did. Now I just replaced my 3600 with a 5600X3D (Microcenter exclusive). I am very happy at 1440p!
If you're at 1440p that setup is going to last you a long time. If you're at 1080p it's going to last you until the next generation of consoles have come out and the first that-generation-only titles start coming to PC.
Very interesting comparison imo. I wonder what the power diff wud be if the 6800xt was limited to the 4060ti frame rate! Makes the radeon even better value. Dont watch much of latest pc components as so expensive these days. Great channel 🐈👍
So glad I picked the 6800, I would have gotten the xt if I was a little quicker on launch but it's ran so well for me in the last few years at UW 1440p. At the end of the day tho it was 1300AUD. Not worth the cost. Nowadays tho, top tier mid range card for the price.
honestly not worth it.. yeah you'll get a about 5-6% more performance but the power usage goes through the roof for the 6800XT. also overclocking the 6800XT's not very user friendly, unless you know exactly what you're looking for it's hard to tell what is and isn't a stable overclock. you can set the gpu to something that should be unstable and everything looks like it's running fine until you actually look at the frame rate chart and realize it's running slower, not faster. if you can get a 6k series gpu to crash from an overclock you know you screwed up, lol.
@@sirmonkey1985 allright, yes the power usage would go higher but strictly speaking from a performance point ? wouldn't you gain an additional 5% compared to an oc 4060ti ? But I understand not worth it xD, I have no idea what a 4060ti can do with OC. I used to own a 6800xt and made it crashed with UV and OC so what your saying is definitely on point xD. I manage to get 21k on timespy and stable, playing different games, I also could undervolt it crazy with 880mv and 2100mhz stable on re4, only game I played it with though might not have been stable. It was pretty good considering it was a reference card.
Just bought a 319 Merc and I absolutely love it. Upgraded from a Nvidia 1060. Unfortunately there isn’t a whole lot of options at the $500 mark. Glad I went to team Red.
That result is actually no surprise tbh. RDNA2 was segmented perfectly by AMD back when it launched and was equipped with adequate frame buffers and memory interfaces from the get go. That's exactly how you make video cards that age well. Had the intended MSRPs not been inflated by the last crypto-craze, Ampere would've had a much harder time with its fake MSRPs, as RDNA2 can obviously be sold at or even much below its original MSRP. Tough sh*t for AMD that they seem to find themselves in one perfect storm after another, though. First the crypto-craze, now the AI-craze and then they missed their mark with RDNA3. Their Radeon division really deserves a lucky break.
People are buying the radeons for AI, the problem is a lot of the consumer accessible AI models aren't optimized for them. In linux using ROCm the radeon cards are highly competitive in the AI space. We just saw a windows HIP SDK release, so they should become basically par with nvidia there for AI too in the near future.
@@guillaumeguitarian9642 ROCm supported GPU list is a joke, it works on pretty much everything from every generation, those are just the cards the dev team had on hand to test.
I love my 6800 XT, even if I paid $560usd for it. It just powers through everything with no issues with heat and power and I never hear the fans spin up on my ASROCK model. Not my favorite GPU of all time, but a solid return to team red for the first time in a long time for me.
wow I'm really surprised this video was created since Hardware Unbox is mostly Intel & Nvidia fan boys . And always anti AMD anything .
We thought we'd give AMD a rare break.
@@Hardwareunboxed 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 thanks for making my day better🤍
@@Hardwareunboxedyeah, it’s officially been 250 videos since you’ve recommended that AMD might possibly maybe slightly be a viable option
@@Hardwareunboxed And all that although you explicitly did not recommend buying RX 570 during Corona and GPU shortage as a gap stop option, RX 5700 (XT) when it was the best bang for buck and also did not recommend to consider RX 6950 XT instead of RTX 4070 because of VRAM like 3 month ago.
Didn't you?
I mean that would be consumer friendly and we all know the only channel there is for being consumer friendly is LTT.
:D
lmao@@Hardwareunboxed
The 6800XT deserves a place in the GPU hall of fame.
Agreed, love that card.
Amd didn't make enough and it paper launched when it came out. My friend and most people had to wait over a 6 months to get one with a 100 dollar markup. Wasn't as bad as the pricing during the mining boom right after but this card only got redeemed after the price cuts
@@wile123456There are no bad cards, just badly priced cards
@@thesolidsnek8096gt 210
the 6800 non xt!
The 6800XT (and 6800) have been absolute 1440p beasts for a couple of years now. I don't expect to see many people get rid of them for some time yet due to performance & price of newer products.
Especially since when they came out, it was during the shortage and they were going for upwards of $1100-1400.
where i live power cost is big factor, its 3 times higher than US
Just sold mine on Ebay, only due to the Starfield Premium promotion tbh. Upgraded to a 7900xt for just $300. I was going to buy Starfield anyways so the bundle just made sense and made the upgrade cheaper.
Worthy successor to the RX580
my 6800 died and i got refund.. bought 6800 XT for exact same money, cant complain here :)
I picked up a 6800 xt for my son on Prime Day for $480, I knew it was a great deal, but this just accentuates how amazing the deal truly was.
Same here that Merc 319 was score at the 480 price.
That is an excellent price, good job
Lucky son to have a mom like you 😊
why? oh, i get it, bc is cheap
@@driximus It was the Powercolor Red Dragon version, but still the 6800xt.
It's almost as if Nvidia made a 4050ti card, branded is as a 4060ti and slapped a 4070 price on it. Weird huh. Great video Steve, thank you for your time and hard work!
This is the most succinct way anyone could describe that disaster of a card. Kudos!
besides 4090 they are all the same across the board, the current 4080 is a 4070ti at best with a 4080ti price tag
@@revenant6872amazing for 3d rendering though, on the productivity side, it's a quadro with 16gb, so it's like they priced it for that as well, just didn't really advertise it because 3d artists just know.
This happened sir.4050ti disguised as a 60 card for a 70 card price.And etc upwards.4060 as a 70 card for a 80 price.4070 as a 80 card for a halo price.4080 no existed in this generation.
There's like a 50 euro difference here vs the 4070. I can't believe they're charging 550 euro for the 16GB model...
Nvidia should be ashamed !!!
its ngreedia, what do you expect *?*
Nvidia is just counting the money profits unfortunately...
„Invidia“ is Latin and means envy
550 € for a 1080p card is a gutpunch indeed.
It is not surprising at all. Companies do market research and if they find out their customers are very stupid and will buy anything, then this is what happens.
This is precisely why I finally upgraded my RX570 to a 6800XT a couple of weeks ago. The value proposition was just too big to ignore.
was something similar to me, going from 480 to 6800 xt ( sure i paid like double for 6800 XT for what i paid for 480) but that card is amazing
still think MSI 480 Gaming X is best GPU i ever owned, that value was insane
Just a question though, I'm curious about the power consumption thing. Is the increase in the electricity bill really that big?
@@Trisstan20
i bought a 6 month old mining 8gb rx570 the sapphire one.
I used it every single day for over 6 years before upgrading, the card? 0 issues the 6 years i had it. Even the thermal pads had a little bit longer to go before i truly had to replace
but now that card has a fresh coat of paste and brand new thermals pads sits in my closet on retirement I LOVE that card i will never sell it i bought it on Mercari for 98$ shipped to me best 100$ ive ever spent. Now i own a 6700 obviously sapphire again and again 0 complaints only driver issues but thats AMD for you
where i live (here in scandinavia), the best value high/midrange gpu has for a while been the 6950XT, since it has been on sale for nearly same price as the 6800XT cards. sadly power are more pricy up here, so power consumption has to come into consideration a lot more than for most of the world i gues. I did pick up the 6800XT in the spring however, but that was before the best prices of 6800XT/6950XT had hit the marked, due to my old 3060TI dieing within warrenty, so spend a bit extra to upgrade to the 6800XT. I fear a lot of users in northen europe may opt for RTX4000 series tho alone from the power consumption part, since thats prob a bigger deal here in manny cases.
@mermaidinamanhole5796
If you're comfortable with it
Undervolting will save so much on power draw with virtually no clock speed loss or decrease in FPS.
My 6700 has been sitting at a -100mlv undervolt since the day I got it. I can confirm when I'm not undevolting I will see 200+ total Watts drawn from my GPU but when I undervolt. 100-130 depending om the settings I choose 150w Maybe
And Undervolting won't hurt the card if you're thinking of it like a overclock
Absolute bloodbath! This was always expected, as the 6800 XT's performance is not far away from the 6900 XT.
From what I see, the 6800 XT is the new 1080 Ti. It delivers solid performance, has plenty of vram, and is priced reasonably.
right upgraded from 1080 ti to the 6800xt price to performance is great value
It was the new 1080ti last fall when they could be had for 520$ from Newegg. Now we are getting a bit close to next gen (presumably fall 2024) for gamers to get the maximum value out of it. And UE5 crushes it except for 1080p.
@@mercmaniac666 really any of the amd 6k lineup is proving to be the best option for people that need a GPU now. in every price bracket it wins hands over fist to nvidia's current and prior gen.
Yep
The 12 GB 6700XT will be the new RX 580 ad the 6800 XT is easily the new 1080 Ti. They'll be even more popular as used cards three years from now. Lovelace and RDNA3 aren't even worth looking at unless you've got at least a thousand dollars to spend. No thank you to that.
@@PendulumCancelI'm still using my 6700xt.
In my country the 16gb 4060 Tis cost the same as 6950 XTs. Even if you don't want a 350W card you can undervolt it and cap the the power consumption to 250W and the card will still peform at over 90% of it's max performance.
Some of the prices are insane yes. 4060ti 16GB is slightly cheaper than 6950XT here but only by about 50 bucks. It is way too overpriced. 6700XT cost just a bit over half as much. I basically only recommend Radeon 6000 cards to people. It’s even worse at the lower end with 6600 being roughly equal to a 3060 but is much cheaper here than a 3050. The 3050 should be a 150 dollar GPU at this point to make any sense at all.
@@Xcepterno such thing as uv and oc. Can only have one.
@@OrjonZ You are objectively wrong - to get most out of 6xxx you need to increase the power limit, drop the voltage (uv) and then overclock (oc). Transistors are charge NOT voltage driven devices; dropping the voltage allows higher current at same temperature - or lower temperature at same current. This is how we can get higher clock speeds.
@@OrjonZdumb comment. Uv + oc exist together for years
@@OrjonZ I too love spreading misinformation on the internet. They're not mutually exclusive. You can overclock a card's clock speed over stock and undervolt it at the same time. My 5700XT runs at over the advertised boost clock at lower voltages than stock.
I’m so glad that I got my RX 6800 XT for $400 bucks the beginning of this year, way better than paying $400 for a 4060 TI with only 8gb VRAM and way more performance.
I got mine for $450 open box in November. I was actually hesitating as I wanted to wait for the 4060ti, as I thought it would be 6800xt performance. Now I'm just glad I bought it and didn't wait lol
For $400 it’s an insane deal!
@@302QuestSwap yeah, it was the reference model and also came with the box.
I am hoping to replace my 1080 Ti with a (hopefully comes true) $699 5070 16GB :) since I refuse to pay over what I paid for the 1080 Ti or I might get a 7900 XT when it drops to $699.
I'm currently pressing F to pay my respects to the inevitable hundreds of thousands of NPCs who will buy a 4060 Ti over a 6800 XT because some fanboys on the internet told them AMD drivers suck or some other outdated nonsense. The gap between these similarly priced cards may as well be as wide as the grand canyon as far as gaming is concerned.
Very satisfying to see the 4060ti 16gb get trounced so thoroughly across the board like that! No buyer's remorse for me picking the 6800XT a few months back haha
And a big thank you for putting in the effort of testing them across so many games!
I honestly can't think of a better example for "there are no bad products, just bad pricing". The RTX 4060 Ti 16gb is a pretty awesome, highly efficient GPU with sufficient VRAM and extensive Nvidia featureset... it should just be a $300 product.
Easily! Should never be $500 to begin with. Absolutely embarrassing.....
Yeah look just ask them to remove your 128 bit Memory Bus, so you keep 0 bit or maybe 1bit and you have the 4060ti 18Gb VRam for 300€. And so the memory Bandwidth from 448Gb/s 3060ti to 4060ti=288Gb/s (3070ti 608gb/s) so they took so much already you ask them to take it all but 1Gb/s (just in case it lows the performance somehow lol) and you get the 4060ti for 220$! And the Bus Interface PCIe 4.0x16 to 4x8? Idk what that sht is but take it away completely why they still putting worthless chips that hight the cost because of Chinese massive manufacturation mafia?! We the consumer deserve better prize for VRam on already great graphic card that has 7.000rpm fans and gpu clock 2700 mhz!
But the problem with the 4060 Ti is the memory bus (128 bit instead of 256 bit :-( )
@@Theworthsearcher People overlook that the 4060ti has 32Mb L2 cache instead of the 4Mb of L2 cache on the RTX 3070.
And the 6800XT is 2.5 years old, still going very strong at 1440P. Honestly the 1080Ti of its generation thanks to the price, performance and VRAM. I own one and it performs great, haven't even had to enable FSR yet . I expect it to easily last until 2025, longer if I want to stretch it with FSR2.
I even managed to get mine for $400 USD flat on ebay about 8 months ago. Absolute steal. I will be rocking this thing for the next 5+ years.
AMD has always aged like fine wine aye. I unfortunetly went nvidia and bought the 3080, great card, but yea vram limitations on that too. Its aged like cheap wine, though the 3070 is worse, which i think has aged like milk..
@@BNR_2483070 aged into a high settings/1080p gpu
I feel the same about my 6950xt got one in February for like 650 bucks absolutely killer for that price
yeah, it aged well, especially with the latest high end CPU; I expect the same with the 4090FE paired with a Ryzen 9800X3D (ZEN 6) with probably +50% uplift (vs 5800X3D, or a bit less vs a 7800X3D, for example)
It's the shame that for almost 2 year that 6800XT cost more than twice its MSRP in Europe (only now it's at MSRP or so...)
The gap between 4060 Ti and 4070 is way too huge, both by performance and price, otherwise 4070 should be the one competing with 6800XT at 500-400$ price.
$400 max and even that's higher than it should be.
That is a big part of the problem. NVidia seems to have moved every card up at least one price level. 4070 would be a very good $400 card, it's a barely acceptable at $500, and insane at it's actually MSRP.
I am thinking the RX7700XT, if it comes in at a similar price point will be a significant player in the GPU market for gamers for a while to come.
People are buying it for that but it's a shortsighted business approach that will shrink the market cap for PC gamers as regular gamers will just buy consoles for the same or better performance. Or used older gen PC's like a 3080 build. I mean 6800 is old Gen now... Still crazy pricing wise for just playing games.
I.E. the prices even at what you say is far too high to truly be competitive. At these entry prices for even mid tier let alone high tier it's actually counter productive imo. The reason consoles do so well is because they get optimizations and they're affordable. For 500 you can have 4k 60fps or 1440p 120 in some titles. The prices only seem to be getting worse even. I think eventually they'll be threatened by cloud gaming and consoles to the point that it'll slowly become irrelevant if a competitor doesn't come out to drag these prices down to at least have a tier to compete with regular game stations.
If they took to performance optimizations and prioritized the actual cards we know people are really using? I could see that reversing. They could grow the community. But Windows itself puts a stranglehold on things.
@@OldManBadly A card that can run 4k most games and 1440p full ray tracing with ease is a 400 dollar card? Can I go to your delusional universe where 4k gaming costs 400 dollars please that sounds like a lovely place.
@@slayerr4365what is the purpose of getting newer cards if the price goes up with every improvement
And for those whom were paying attention, with only very rare exception - mostly while using ray tracing - the Radeon 1% lows were higher than the GeForce average per resolution.
I got rx 6800 xt only for $280 used 😂.
I can't believe AMD's 6000 series is still holding up so good.
Not "so gooood", just decent. This is really more about 4060ti 16gb being complete and utter dogshit at 500$.
Seguí comprando nvidia AMDsaca muy buenos productos a precios muy buenos
@@Acid_Burn9 I made the word "good" a little shorter, u happy? XD
And I totally agree that the 4060 ti is terrible with it's price.
Ofc they will what do you mean ''still holding up'' ? They are not 20 year old cards. My r9 390 bougth at 2016 recently died and I was playing rdr2 cyberpunk med to some high settings. (8gbram i5-6500 h170 gamingm3)
Moreso because Nvidia sucks so badly right now than because the 6000 series is uniquely "good" in any way. The people who bought the 5700XT made a very good choice, however.
6800xt and the derivative 6900 XT were both great cards, especially once the second got its market adjusted pricing
I had to buy a card during the Bad Times. The RX 6900 XT 16 GB has been crazy good to me.
I got it at "only" +20% over MSRP at the time (and it went up immediately after.)
I'm still happy even paying that much, and will get years of use out of it.
Managed to snag the 6900 XT direct from AMD at the peak of the madness. It was good value then and it's good value now
Exactly. The 6900XT is still not really worth it when compared to the 6800XT and the 6950XT. Going up or down is all about your preference on price, and power draw concerns. I got a 6800XT for $500 flat last year instead of a $600 XFX 6950XT because my EVGA P2 650W probably wouldn't handle the transients and both cards were going out of stock instantly.
was gonna get a £500 powercolor 6800xt until i found an insane deal on an asus 6900xt for £580, i had to ok :3
id tell anyone to get the 6800xt tho, amazing deal rn
The RX 6800XT is kinda overshadowed by the RTX 3080Ti (a friend bought it years ago for 700 new and it's the ASUS OC version, it's basically a 3090 with half the VRAM).
6800XT needs a wider memory bus, it looks like the 3080Ti is the minimum for that.
6800xt is also an absolute beast of an overclocker. I’ve got mine to score much higher the average graphic score for a stock 3090 by tweaking the settings and dropping the voltage to 1000mV
and you can overclock the 3090 too.. those comparisons are bullshit. but no DLSS, no Cuda, no rtx voice, no great RT performance, bad software support in programs etc etc. so its just ok for gaming today, nothing for the future.
@@PrefoXyour view is biased. It's actually pretty good right now for production included. Drivers have improved by a significant margin
Great review, I love my OC 6800XT. No reason to upgrade at 1440p for a few years, it simply destroys everything paired with a 5800X3D.
Sounds like the perfect setup for 1440p gaming
The price of unit comparison is what matters, everyone knows there are higher end nvidia gpus that can beat the 6800xt, issue is they aren't in the same price bracket, price vs price the 6800xt hands down kicks the crap out of a two year newer similarly priced gpu which is telling.
It also doesn't help nVidias defence that I can also find an RX 6900 XT Red Devil for the same price as the cheapest 4060 ti 16gb in Romania right now.
We all know Nvidia's pricing is all out of whack and overinflated. If you want to argue that one card is overpriced fine, but you can't use that as an advantage to cheat and compare a budget card to a higher tier just because it's currently cheaper. Prices fluctuate. If you want to use that as your basis then all your comparing is who sells a cheaper card. Honestly I would be embarrassed to make this comparison if I were Radeon.
@@Anubis78250 What are you talking about? If you want to buy a new card would you get the best in the low range or the worst in the high range? Of course you would get the one that offers more performance if it costs the same unless the electricity really can make a big difference overtime. If you can find the 3070ti / 3080 at the same price the 4060 ti it's a better buy than the 4060 ti as well.
@@Anubis78250 That being said, in Romania the 3080 10GB can be found for 650 USD from an unknown brand (AFOX) and 700 USD from Biostar (which most likely sucks as well). The first known brand is Gigabyte that sells it for about 1100 USD which is ridiculous considering it's age and the fact that you can find 4070 ti's for the same price. The 3070 ti's do sell for about 600 USD but then again, you are investing in an 8GB VRAM only card which I wouldn't recommend at this time seeing how the game requirements increase. The only option from last gen is the 3080 12GB or higher but that starts at 1200 USD which is "no buy" land for everyone that actually checks the performance/value of the products as the 4070 Ti is already cheaper than that.
@@alexandruilea915 You're talking about two different things.
If you want to compare performance you should be comparing same tier products. Pricing is of no importance.
If you want to compare value, that's another story. Not to mention one that changes constantly as prices fluctuate. For example right now the 4060 is 3/4 the price of a 6800.
I'm responding to the whole notion that Radeon is better than Nvidia because a higher performance tier Radeon beats a lower performance tier Nvidia. A lot like saying one car manufacturer is better than another because their high end car beats the others low end car.
The 3080 could have been what the 6800xt is now if it had more VRAM, but nvidia purposefully gave it a weird amount of vram to make it obsolete in a few years. Then they did the same with the 4000 series cards.
Yeah, its kinda crazy how well received the 3000 series was, and how quickly its becoming obsolete because of memory issues. People still talk how long their 1080 (TI) cards did their jobs, but the 3k/4k series wont repeat that.
To be fair, the 1080 TI did have more memory than the 3080.
@@termitreter6545 Nothing crazy about it. The 3080 came out with a $699 price tag and brutally murdered the former 2080 Ti, which you should remember also like 150% more money than a 3080. And even the $499 3070 was equivalent to a 2080 Ti, just with less VRAM. The 3060 Ti was also a great performer for $399.
So, of course it was well-received. The only thing that killed the 30-series was crypto
@@rustler08 500 bucks for a 3070 was already really damn expensive if you ask me.
Crypto was already a thing, and the 2000 series was pretty bad for its high price.
And the memory was always a joke. 10gb when AMDs direct competitors had 16gb.
Like, AMD had budget GPUs like RX 470 GPUs with 8gb of memory.
I absolutely love my 6800 XT. My favorite card of all time, hands down.
the 4060 TI 16GB is a great 1080p card with excellent power consumption... only issue I have with it... the price is 200 dollars too high... it's price is ridiculous...
200$ ha ha... That E-Waste should be 12GB and costing 199$....
yeah its a good card, bad price.
@@themobster7284if it was 12GB It would have a 192bit bus. That would have significantly improved performance for the card
In 1080p 8GB is enough.
@@luzhang2982not when it loses to the 3060ti performance wise, terrible card
I just realized a little bit ago, that the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB would be competing with the RX6800/69XX gpus, didn’t expect Steve to make a video about it so fast
@@haewymetal 800 Euro? IN SWEDEN? WTH man..... In Poland (we got biggest prices) 800 Euro is ~3500PLN - 6800 XT starts at 2600 PLN (580 Euro). Check 6900 XT or 6950XT - there was a time, when these were cheaper than 6800 XT.
@@haewymetal6800xt is extremely cheap in america and cheaper than 4060 ti
@@haewymetal At least on price, because in the US they are ~ the same price. Which is insane because the 6800XT was originally competing with the 3070ti/3080, so this is why it's totally trashing the 4060ti. I'm not sure why the price discrepancy is what it is there. You also looked on newegg and found that the 4060ti 8gb is about $400... but this comparison is specifically about the 4060ti 16gb, because they 8gb shouldn't even exist and the 16gb costs over $500 USD.
you're looking at the 8GB model of the 4060 Ti @@haewymetal , 16GB is $100 more
@@haewymetal Why are you talking about the 8GB version? This video is talking about the 16GB version, which is priced very close to the 6800 XT. If you want to look at a reasonable price comparison for the 4060 Ti 8GB, look at the RX 6800. Which is still faster.
I like how you addressed the undervolting option in this video as moot since both cards can do it. I still do appreciate that undervolting the 6800XT could help to cool down a gaming room in the summers since summer seem to be getting hotter everywhere on the planet.
I bought a new PC just a couple of weeks ago and had about 500$ to spend on a GPU and went with a 6800xt. Great to see that someone very knowledgeable about this stuff agrees with my choice.
It's around ~700 USD in Romania also, ludicrous price for the performance. 100% agree on the 350$ price, considering 6800 XT is about 550(here) new, and the 6950XT is 700. You have to be insane to take 4060TI over 6950XT.
nvidia fanboy will still buy 4060ti 16gb
NVIDIA fanboys would buy a 1050 Ti if NVIDIA gave it 8GB VRAM for $300@@bot-h2h
I've found 6900XT Red Devil for that price here in Romania lol.
This is why I love HUB they do what we’re all thinking.
This what most of us where talking about on the “why upgrading sucks” video.
Thanks for the quality as per usual and I enjoyed the intro immensely. I bought my 6800 XT during the summer sales for $480 which makes this even more hilarious than it otherwise might be.
Since I got my 6800XT, playing at 3440x1440p quickly revealed to me how right I was to choose it over the 4070.
Even older games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided hit 10gb, and "The Ascent" hit 12.5GB.
that not how it works, lmao. A lot of games RESERVE your vram, not using all of it. Also, faster vram = lower vram consumption. Please, learn some basic things before talking about things u do not understand. And yeah, as user of amd in the past, amd cards always more loaded in vram than nvidia, just quick remark xDD I cant be happier with my 4070 playing cyberpunk on ultra with RT ultra in 80-100fps and dont tell me please, that RT is marketing and etc, just turn it and watch how it changes looks of the game in better way or check it in dying light 2, RT significantly improves lighting in the game
@@NoKkiDuDe "Please learn about blabla" is the telltale sign of an uppity, eternally online 'bundle of sticks' coping in someone's thread. God I wish you could swear in youtube comments, because that's what you are.
I understand that reserved =/= necessity. But it means it requires that much for all the assets the game uses. So that means if you have less, it has to stream data from the SSD or system memory to the VRAM. Now if the delta between reserved and available is low it will manage, but you might get a few frametime spikes. But if it becomes too high you sill start to hit a point where it will be streaming too much and causes slowdowns. And you can cope with your 4070 all day, it doesn't negate the fact it has 4GB less, and it will at some point require you to drop texture settings way before I will. And you can have all the shiney RT reflections you want, that is way more noticeable. So kindly, get lost and take your copes with you.
Yes RT overdrive looks pretty good. But your 4070 can't run that at 4K either. Not without heavy upscaling and FG, and that is just not the same as natively hitting that fps.
@@NoKkiDuDe Look at this guy defending the choice he made😂
I passed along my 3070 to my son and got a 6800xt for the exact same reasons. Never regretted it. The 3070 couldn't keep up using an ultra wide. Used it for over a year and the 6800xt was a beast.
Why do I feel like AMD RX6000 series is gonna be like RX400 series in terms of longevity
I think it is!😂
I own an RX 6800 XT (Asus TUF) paired with a 5800X. Since Jan 2021. I play at 1080p Ultra settings. I know the card is slightly overkill but I enjoy high fps and maxing out my 240hz monitor. I also mainly play competitive shooters like OW2 and Valorant. It has been a gem so far. No hiccups, stable games, great drivers. In terms of power consumption, it is quite high at stock settings. Thankfully, mine does really well with a cool -150mV undervolt. That coupled with a beefy cooler which is the same used on the Asus TUF RX 6900 XT means this card barely goes above 62c while gaming.
When trying for 1080p120 with RT, it's certainly not overkill. Maybe even underpowered.
@@raresmacovei8382he doesn't need RT on for competitive shooters.
@@raresmacovei8382 Barely anyone uses RT, the fps downgrade is not worth it even on nvidia cards.
@@raresmacovei8382 I don't use RT bud. Even with an RTX 3070 Ti. FPS tax just isn't worth it.
I also have an asus tuf 6800xt. The uv on these cards were not made by subtracting mV, because it acts as a negative offset and can cause instability. Ideally to check the full stability of the rdna2 the free time spy is suitable. It catches instability better than rdr2, control and witcher 3. Try to score at least 4 passes in a row. If you want to significantly improve the operating culture at the cost of max 6-7% performance set max clocks to 2100, minimum clocks to 2000. The memory clock can also up to around 2100. Def power limit. Offset that is mV in the wattman set to 1120 (that is 30mV offset), this in itself does not give much, so do not worry). The drop in power consumption will be very significant. Temperatures much better.
Have to give props to the opening. This channel is all about brutal honesty and I love it.
The 6800 xt was the GPU that I wanted. But I gave up and was able to wait for the 7900xt. I have completely sworn off Nvidia.
After AMD's initial stupidity with pricing, and corresponding "walk of shame" price adjustment, the 7900XT is an effing crow bar breaking Nvidia's entusiast range appart (if you're not stupidly brand loyal like the people who bought Intel 11th gen at silly prices when Ryzen 5000 was laying waste to everything in it's path). Personally I'm just a few weeks from pulling the trigger on a 7900XTX. RT performance like the 4080 (in everything except Cyberpunk 2077: The Hatchet Job) and raster performance between the 4080 and 4090 for 20% less than the 4080 is just not an argument nobody should even have to think twice about.
@@andersjjensen Yeah, but what about the drivers, thermals and noise?
Just kidding, venting some of that left over Nvidia fan boy that got cancelled by RDNA2.
Truth is, I don't think I've ever had a smoother time of it than I have since I got my 6800XT (along with a 5800X) in May 2021 after years of being stuck in the Intel/Nvidia rut. Seriously, less issues over a similar time frame with any of the several combos of the latter I've had over the years.
The difference for me was, given the timing and necessity of my buy I paid somewhat over MSRP for this 6800XT. But at least it was with me in 3 days compared to what became months wait times and queueing systems for the 3080, nm it being at least +50-100% the price for another year. But needs must.
Well, more than good enough for the 7900XT/XTX to be my primary target for any ideas of upgrading any time soon for all kinds of good reasons.
Still my favorite Benchmark channel, keep crankin' em out. Appreciate you.💙
I bought a 6800 XT on launch day for MSRP. In light of the ongoing state of the GPU market, it was an amazing purchase.
I had purchased my 6800XT (Asrock Taichi) 1 maybe 2 years ago now.. The fact that it has 16GB vram I will be holding onto this card for a long time, I think they did a great job, all my games so far play very smoothly at 1440p and it runs cool unlike the vega 64 it had replaced lol.
Incredible to see how the 6800 XT at 1440p often matches the 4060 Ti... running at 1080p.
I built a 6800XT during Black Friday 2022. For the games I care to play, this card will easily carry me well into 2025.
Ya, you wouldnt buy a card like this for 2 years, surely?
@@makavelismith If I'm reading you right, then the answer is the 6800XT is at least a three-year card. That's the only kind to buy unless you've got enough spare cash to always buy the top card available.
You "built a 6800xt"? Would you mind building me one also? I think you either meant "built a 6800xt system" or "bought a 6800xt".
How many new games that might crush the card will even come out in less than 2 measly years lol. This card will last you allot longer if you use it right and most games are not even worth the money or processing power of your GPU now in days anyway to be honest lol. Hogwarts was great if you weren't stuck on a green card lol. The 6800xt will last out the rest of this console generation cycle with no problems.
I'm still running a GTX 1070, though looking at an upgrade now. A 6800XT would easily last me another six years, even though it's nearly three years old already.
In Spain the 6800XT is 600€ and the 6950XT only 50€ more at 650€
As always, if you give them the same power budget they're not very different. I'd get the 6950xt as well with those prices, but the main advantage is just stock clock speeds, as the old amd theme of not scaling well with extra CUs holds true once again. If the 6800xt is even just 70-80 bucks cheaper i'd get it over the 6950xt
The 6000 series cards do undervolt quite well with just a small performance hit. RDNA2 is one of the best gens for rasterization performance 👏🏻 A 128-Bit bus on a $500 video card is a disgrace, regardless of the L2 cache increase.
but its sht in term of ray tracin tho
@jake9854 thats a moot point. The vast majority of gamers are not cranking RT up because most vid cards to this day still provide an ok experience at best.
Also, if you buy a 6800XT right now, you also get the Premium Edition of Starfield (Which is 100 bucks by itself) on top. That's a great value-proposition if you were going to get a new GPU and the game anyway.
Bought the RX 6800 XT last month...
Yay 😊
Would love to see rx6800 vs rtx4060ti
I have the same 6800XT (319 Merc) since January and I am beyond happy and impressed with how well it performs! Underestimated as heck.
Just bought a 6800xt (my first AMD gpu after 2 NVIDIA) to build a couch gaming system in my living room. Crazy good value and has hit 4K 60 fps (refresh rate of my tv) at high settings in everything I’ve thrown at it.
I came here for information. I stayed for the bloodshed. Greatest intro ever
It is a breath of fresh air to finally see tech channels comparing GPU's in same price bracket.
@jcdenton4110 Not a chance! The uninformed and Nvidia fanboys will keep Nvidia's prices at or slightly above MSRP just like most of last gen.
@jcdenton4110 Last gen holding up well also means current gen isn't much of an improvement tho, wouldn't really call that a win.
@@garyb7193 not really, rtx 4000 is selling like dog 💩💩 right now, if it wasn't for their booming AI business as well as a complete monopoly, prices would've a lot lower.
@@TeoTH80 It shows them up for relabelling models. They are pretty much all a full model number ahead of what they actually are, technically. That's why they suck.
The comparrisson still stinks, because the 6800xt consumes 3 times the power of a 4060ti. Thats a huge amount of $$$ for so little extra performance.
4060Ti will remembered ..........
As one of the worst GPUs of all time.
I upgraded from a 3070 to a 7900XT. Well worth it. I just didn't see an NVidia card that had good price to performance.
I upgraded from rtx3080 10gb to RX 7900XT Sapphire Nitro+ ... no remorse,no regrets!
And yet we all know the 4060TI will outsell the 6800XT ten fold. All we can do is continue to try and enlighten people that there is more than one option, and they should do some form of research on their purchase. Keep fighting the good fight, Steve
Because most people just want the 'rtx' badge.
Nvidia's brand power is still too strong.
People go from Radeon to Nvidia never Nvidia to Radeon. Now people are choosing AMD out of spite, not Quality. Streaming, Productivity, Drivers stability, etc. Nvidia wins. Navi wasnt the "Ryzen of GPUs". Nvidia still doesnt have any real competition.
@@gerardotejada2531 Me. I went from 2070 to 6800xt for my main rig. Not regretting anything one bit. Many of my friends does too.
"this is not the editorial direction we were hoping for" - nvidia
LOL... Yeah, that was fun. Steve is not the type to back down...
Please make a video on undervolting 6800XT, it's such an underrated topic and the amount of power consumption (and noise respectively) you can drop is mindblowing.
Simply dropping Max Frequency to 2250 (maybe lower or higher depending on silicon lottery, go in increments of 25 and stay one increment below what you think is stable) and Voltage to 881 in Radeon software usually does it. 37.5% power consumption reduction in exchange for 5% fps loss (more like 3-4% really). YMMV but should be pretty close, especially on OC SKUs
Would be curious what can be achieved with 4060Ti though, so a head-to-head battle on sweet spot efficiency levels (where power consumption doesn't go exponential compared to FPS gained) would be interesting
Depending on what you want to achieve you don't even need to downclock it to be honest
My watercooled Red Devil is at -125mv and boost to 2500Mhz, depending on the game it consumes 220W-270W only, I'm not pushing it more because I like the silence and the temps are nice at 44c.
Such a great card, I don't see myself upgrading for a while, gaming at 1440p without RT
@@halmyrach yeah, initially I too was sitting at -125mV (1025mV, though these voltages are kind of unintuitive) and power consumption was maxing out at 230W, but then decided to see if I can find a sweet spot with optimal power-per-frame and that's how I got to 175W, honestly that 5% fps drop is so insignificant compared to decrease in power draw so I decided to stick to it, but my main concern was noise and coil whine specifically, so if your card is already dead quiet there's little reason to underclock (though I do appreciate how much less heat is pumped into my room, it's really noticeable between 280W and 175W)
@@cotneit Interesting, I will give it a try.
Right now I'm kind of happy to have some heat going through the loop given the cold weather, but it could be useful during big heatwaves :P
Did you also apply a downclock of the memory or is it still 2000Mhz?
Assuming you have the adrenalin package it's a matter of going to tuning and click auto. lol
@@halmyrach didn't touch memory at all, wanted to play with it once I'm sure my current setup is stable but never really got to it
6800 XT in project phase was originally intended to be equivalent to the 3080 TI. When released, it was intended to be a counterpart 3080. Then started losing with 3070 TI (RT, DLSS), loosing with next gen 4070 (RT, DLSS, FG). Has now fallen to the level 3060 TI and 4060 TI! 🤣
But when using DLSS and FG in 4060 TI, then 6800 XT winning isn't cleary! 😂
The AMD 6000 series is looking pretty good right now with the price cuts.
I've been saying for years that it's downright criminal how the RX 6800 XT has been ignored in favour of the RX 6900 XT. Even Techspot doesn't have it in its GPU listings, only having the 6800. The 6800 XT offered the best value at the high-end and yet these sites ignored it.
Kinda makes you wonder why, eh?
I have the XFX SWFT 6800XT and it's so Beastly and fast. I picked it up for $900 when I got it and it was worth it back then. That card is how I play at 4K high to ultra settings..
Lol
@@96kylarI had to get 6700xt about 2 years ago for the same price. The situation back then was awful
And Honestly they are running all these games maxed, most people are playing with the settings and with this card in a lot of games people are still playing that maybe older, the 6800XT crushes those games like Titan Fall 2, I know it's older but it's still fun. And a game like Cyber Punk I can lower down to high settings and tweak them a little more and get a 100 FPS high setting experience in 4K and I am a big freesync guy.
The 6800XT is the new 1080Ti. Hot take for sure but I think time will prove me right.
I'm very, very happy with my 6800XT and glad I went for it over the 3060Ti I was originally planning on. It's my first AMD GPU for a good few years and I'm over the moon with it's performance at 1440p, it's an absolute beast.
bs, nobody is happy with a radeon
@@4utoxic😂
that's 200 more money though.
@@4utoxic fu, I love my 6800 XT.
Before i buy a 4060ti for 500€, ill get a rtx 3090 for 450€ from ebay
I went rx6800 for £300...
Good luck.
They are going for not far off that for a spares or repair only card.
I love fried GDDR6X chips!
Mining 3090s off Ebay with that clamshell memory layout? RIP
3090 is nowhere near that cheap in America
I got a used 6800 for about $350USD (529AUD). It's in perfect condition and I'm upgrading from an RX580 and/or a 1070. I know it's a step down and I spent a lot of time thinking about it before pulling the trigger but I have zero regrets.
I almost feel bad for the miner who sold it to the ebay reseller, must have taken a big loss. They were selling for like 2K AUD 18 months ago.
Same here. An ex mining card that I was able to track and turned out wasn't used much for mining.
I paid 400 euros last November when the whole crypto crap tumbled and some (hobby) miners were scrambling to sell.
It runs every game I play at 4K 60fps.
@@how2pick4name Track?
@@ItsReallyGeo Yes, through a tech forum where people used scripts to get a gpu from AMD I could track when he got his cards.
WIthin 15% of the XT give or take. You got a great buy. Not many scenarios where that 15% will make or break your gameplay experience at 1440p or 1080p.
Don't feel bad neither for the miner nor specially for the scalper. All those kind of people deserve is to eat their losses.
Brutal and as a 4090 owner, this was satisfying to see. It's one thing to do a little of price gouging at the very top, but with this generation the very top end was a comparitively much better price vs performance competitor thannormal at the pretty extreme expense of the middle and lower tier cards.
And why I say that is at the very high end we're getting a great experience regardless and are paying a premium for bragging rights or just a marginally better experience where people at the other end are getting not only a significantly worse experience, but way less than normal longevity out of their cards. This is ripping off those who can't afford better, potentially costing them more in the long run, and creating a barrier of entry in the PC space that could potentially reduce the amount of PC gamers overtime. If I was on a strict budget, the consoles just become way too appealing imo.
Good video and a deserved shalacking.
The Colored hues behind the bars is such a great idea!
Thank you!
Now it's even quicker to understand which GPU it is
You know what's the saddest part? A 2 ½ year product objectively being better than Nvidia's but if you go to Steam HW Survey the 4060 TI is already close to the 6800 XT. Honestly, gamers deserve getting pegged by Nvidia.
I got a 290 for £200 that lasted years. Replaced with a 6800 XT that I massively overpaid for but didn't want to keep waiting. I expect this to last a while yet unless RDNA4 mid-range provides a big enough upgrade.
Really glad I started watching this channel in particular when I built my system in early 2021. I went all AMD and I've been super happy with my choice. My system crushed inventor and solidworks when that was my job and crushed all games I ever felt like playing with my 6800xt se and 5800x
+57% power usage for +37% raster performance in 4K sounds like a winner enough to me
Yet here I am still saying that I'm proud owner of a 6800 xt gaming x trio second hand for $325. 4070 like performance and it's awesome.
That's a great price for this card. Congrats!
And 4 additionnal GB VRAM !
I got myself a 6950XT for 620€ some weeks ago. That was when the 7800XT was still around 800€ and the 4070(Ti) also quite more expensive. Best buy ever. Tested drivers and extreme performance for a "cheap" card. I mean, when they released the 6XXX line I wanted a card for at max. 650€, so the 6800XT back then, but wasn't available because of the crypto boom.
The 6950XT is a hell of a beast for raster and RT also work okish. I don't use it anyway or not much, for me it's still more of a feature and not something must have. This will be, if we can run RT on a mid performance GPU at high frame rates.
The only downside to the 7800XT or 4070 Ti (I need/want the RAM, so no real alternatives) is the higher power usage. But I play in 3440x1440 and my monitor only supports 100hz max with free sync, so I use chill a lot. And I prefer nice graphics to high frame rates. 60 FPS works fine for me. More is noticeable, but as I don't play competitive anymore, I don't care. And after we move (soon), I have solar panels and a battery, that will mitigate a lot of my power bill.
So honestly, IMHO the past gen GPU's are still a lot more attractive then the current gen. But it gets there. Hell, AMD could've wiped the floor easily with Nvidia, if they had priced the new cards for like 600€ and 800€ for the XTX. And still get a large margin. But that would've annihilated their old stock and their sellers/producers, so I guess that's one of the main reasons, they didn't do it.
7800XT has not released yet.
@@rooster1012i believe they mean 7900XT which is basically a 7800XT
@@Zapdos0145 It's actually worse than that because the RX 7900 XTX is really the 7800 XT. Here's why:
RX 5700 XT = RTX 2070
RX 6800 XT = RTX 3080
RX 7900 XTX = RTX 4080 (WTF???????)
Therefore, the RX 7900 XTX is really the RX 7800 XT.
This is worth checking out, Tim has now reviewed 14 OLED monitors and he decided to rank them from worst to best. So get your OLED fix now! :D ruclips.net/video/rIEB37QXq1M/видео.html
Nothing with DLSS 3.0 and frame generation?
@@philonetic321what's to cover?
@@iwilltouchyourtoes Well, like Cyberpunk at 1440p. For me, enabling DLSS adds nearly 100fps.
I can confirm “Cool Hardware Unboxed coolness” is how fellow youths refer to your channel’s content
Sounds right.
I have a feeling the 6800xt/6900xt will age like a 1080ti
6900xt seems out of stock for a while. Either way, the 6800xt always had better value
@@deagle7602Their yields are so good now that all the fully working dies qualifies for 6950XT cards, which have just dropped correspondingly in price.
Just got Asus TUF 6800 XT... What a card, even in 2023.
I knew it was going to walk the 4060 Ti, since it smokes 4070 too
Another awesome 40 Game comparison from the Benchmarking God.
I wonder how the 6700xt compares to the 4060ti 16gb...
Keep up the Most Excellent Work
It doesn't, It only does to 4060 non ti 8 GB.
Would've been interesting to include RX6800 comparison since it's probably close in performance and power consumption but lower cost.
You can usually get the 6800xt down to 160-180w by undervolting to 1.025v for a 5% performance loss which isnt too bad.
👍👍👍
Aaand nobody does that
@@CsZs7246 you're not everyone bro !
Adrenaline, which is the AMD équivalent of GeForce experience and much better allows to do that in 2 clicks so you can be sure that if an owner of 6800/6900 XT is concerned with his GPU power draw, he will be able to do that optimization in 10 sec.
@@guillaumeguitarian9642just wish amds overlay worked better, doesn't work unless I turn on my second monitor
@@CsZs7246 I got my Red Devil 6700XT to do 93% on average of the reference model at only 65% TDP (230W vs 150W) by carefully tuning VCORE and VMEM, and that's what I run daily. Giving up 7% performance for a whisper quiet system, that doesn't turn my home office into an oven during summer, is a no-brainer to me. My 5950X, on the other hand, was less lucky (I also bought it at launch, so very early silicon) as it will only take a -10mv offset before it start dropping clocks, so I'll "have to live with" the 110W TDP there unless I want my compile jobs to take longer. But the total system is right around 300W when I have a compile job running on CCD0 and the game I'm playing, while waiting, on CCD1.
Honestly the 4060 Ti would be interesting for it's new encoder and AV1 encode support but 500 for that seems like burning money, since one could buy the Intel Arc a380 for encoding and its less than 1/3 of the price.
Such minute use case, AV1 only good for streamers which is less than 1% of gaming community apparently
I mean if you want AV1 encoding then you should just buy a 7900 xt (or wait for 7800) rather than 4060ti and arc a380.
@@cl_0ud470 You cannot even encode with AV1 on twitch, only on RUclips...
Theres a reason Nvidia cards are Gold standard for streamers, nvenc is just far superior to AMDs solution.
Also considering most streamers have their PC's running basically 24/7 the power draw can also not be understated, over the years a 4060 or 4070 will save you a lot of money on that, especially if you live in a country where power costs have been inflated (like here in Germany)
@@cl_0ud470HW encoding is not really great on AMD though...
No one straped for money spends 500 bucks because its interesting. They arr looking for best bang for buck to squeeze more fps.
I'm happy I bought an ASRock Taichi 6800XT last year, it's a solid performer and I like how well it's holding up alongside the newer generation products.
in eary 2022, i bought a 3070 (8GB) at Microcenter replacing a 2060. After installing it, I was able to get a 6800XT (16GB) reference card directly from AMD at MRSP . I was able return the 3070 to Microcenter. So glad I did. Now I just replaced my 3600 with a 5600X3D (Microcenter exclusive). I am very happy at 1440p!
If you're at 1440p that setup is going to last you a long time. If you're at 1080p it's going to last you until the next generation of consoles have come out and the first that-generation-only titles start coming to PC.
Somewhere an Nvidia fanboy: "Something something, DLSS and power draw. Something something AMD bad."
Haha there is literally this exact comment above that i just read 🤣
I got the RX6800 XT about 6 months ago and I do not regret it.
Very interesting comparison imo. I wonder what the power diff wud be if the 6800xt was limited to the 4060ti frame rate! Makes the radeon even better value. Dont watch much of latest pc components as so expensive these days. Great channel 🐈👍
thanks for the comparisons! Always do a great job!!!
So glad I picked the 6800, I would have gotten the xt if I was a little quicker on launch but it's ran so well for me in the last few years at UW 1440p.
At the end of the day tho it was 1300AUD. Not worth the cost. Nowadays tho, top tier mid range card for the price.
But you used it for the time so it made sense in that way.
Maybe the difference would be even greater considering the OC potential of the 6800xt greater than the 4060ti ?
honestly not worth it.. yeah you'll get a about 5-6% more performance but the power usage goes through the roof for the 6800XT. also overclocking the 6800XT's not very user friendly, unless you know exactly what you're looking for it's hard to tell what is and isn't a stable overclock. you can set the gpu to something that should be unstable and everything looks like it's running fine until you actually look at the frame rate chart and realize it's running slower, not faster. if you can get a 6k series gpu to crash from an overclock you know you screwed up, lol.
@@sirmonkey1985 allright, yes the power usage would go higher but strictly speaking from a performance point ? wouldn't you gain an additional 5% compared to an oc 4060ti ? But I understand not worth it xD, I have no idea what a 4060ti can do with OC.
I used to own a 6800xt and made it crashed with UV and OC so what your saying is definitely on point xD. I manage to get 21k on timespy and stable, playing different games, I also could undervolt it crazy with 880mv and 2100mhz stable on re4, only game I played it with though might not have been stable. It was pretty good considering it was a reference card.
Had a 3060Ti and that was a good card. Now have a 6950XT which is outstanding.
Just bought a 319 Merc and I absolutely love it. Upgraded from a Nvidia 1060. Unfortunately there isn’t a whole lot of options at the $500 mark. Glad I went to team Red.
That result is actually no surprise tbh. RDNA2 was segmented perfectly by AMD back when it launched and was equipped with adequate frame buffers and memory interfaces from the get go. That's exactly how you make video cards that age well.
Had the intended MSRPs not been inflated by the last crypto-craze, Ampere would've had a much harder time with its fake MSRPs, as RDNA2 can obviously be sold at or even much below its original MSRP.
Tough sh*t for AMD that they seem to find themselves in one perfect storm after another, though. First the crypto-craze, now the AI-craze and then they missed their mark with RDNA3. Their Radeon division really deserves a lucky break.
People are buying the radeons for AI, the problem is a lot of the consumer accessible AI models aren't optimized for them. In linux using ROCm the radeon cards are highly competitive in the AI space. We just saw a windows HIP SDK release, so they should become basically par with nvidia there for AI too in the near future.
@@PineyJustice Is ROcm supporting 7900 XT and tensorflow 2 ???
@@guillaumeguitarian9642sure
@@guillaumeguitarian9642 ROCm supported GPU list is a joke, it works on pretty much everything from every generation, those are just the cards the dev team had on hand to test.
@@PineyJustice with tensorflow 2 ???
The RX 6800 (NON XT) is CHEAPER, 15-20% FASTER AND has almost the same power draw. Nvidia is drunk, stop financing their sickness.
You guys should show BRs or shooters at competitive settings. At least it's what I always look for in benchmark videos
Agree.
I said when the 6800XT came out that its going to be the next 1080ti, everyone laughed at me, well fast forward 3 years later......
I love my 6800 XT, even if I paid $560usd for it. It just powers through everything with no issues with heat and power and I never hear the fans spin up on my ASROCK model. Not my favorite GPU of all time, but a solid return to team red for the first time in a long time for me.
love my 6800xt. got it at msrp during the shortage, upgrading my 5500xt, and clearly won't be needing a new one for several more years.
You don't need to know how it works; it just works. The more you buy, the more you save.
The 6800xt is right up there with the 1080ti with it's ability to allow you to skip multiple generations of GPU upgrades. It's really that good.
Dang, it's funny seeing AMD's 1% lows higher than NVIDIA's Avg frame rate 😂. I wonder how the non-xt would fair against the 4060ti.
I would have loved to see that too because currently many 6800's (non XT) are sell for less than 500 USD. Power consumption is less than XT, too
@@tedmoise1398mine rarely draws over 200w
6800xt undervolts very well as far as power goes
I was waiting to see this comment.
I have an Asus TUF RX 6800 XT almost one year now, very pleased with the performance.