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- Peter Millican argues that religion harms society.
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Peter Millican begins by stating that religion's harm on society is about it's impact on society, not it's basis. In most religions an ideal world is depicted as everyone living in harmony through the same religion, this does not apply in our multicultural society.
Filmed on Thursday 7th November 2013
MOTION: This House Believe That Religion Harms Society.
RESULT: Motion Carried.
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ABOUT PETER MILLICAN:
Peter Millican is Gilbert Ryle Fellow and Professor of Philosophy at Hertford College, University of Oxford in the United Kingdom. His primary interests include the philosophy of David Hume, philosophy of religion, philosophy of language, epistemology, and moral philosophy. Millican is particularly well known for his work on David Hume, and from 2005 until 2010 was Co-Editor of the journal Hume Studies. He is also an International Correspondence Chess Grandmaster, and has a strong interest in the field of Computing and its links with Philosophy. Recently he has developed a new degree programme at Oxford University, in Computer Science and Philosophy, which accepted its first students in 2012.
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Girl seriously needs a re-education. Her question precisely answered why religion harms society.
Religious people seem to like blaming non-religious ideologies despite religions having worse impact than ideologies since they encourage irrational behaviour due to mythical gods
@@agentsteve8263 While constructing a strawman of these non-religious ideologies...
It brainwashing people's, made people's become completely stupid or have mental disorders.n
@@agentsteve8263 yes, the christians even accusing a black dog are the devil propaganda tool to perform black magic, and killed the poor dog, they are in high levels mental problem status. Can you believe it??? 🙈🙉🙈🙉🙈🙉🙈🙉
Yep.
After watching Tariq Ramadan and then this guy, you can clearly see who has a real argument and a real case. Millican has examples and evidence, and Ramadan just kinda rambled on about nothing specific. No contest.
I completely agree with everything you've just said.
just a quick follow up.
on February 2020, Ramadan was formally charged with raping two more women and in October 2020, Ramadan was formally charged with raping a fifth woman.
Yeah I have to agree.
You said nothing specific. Then we should ignore you?
@@craigsmith1443 they didn’t cite examples but they’re being pretty specific here it seems to me.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
That's another gem of Sagan's legacy.
Trump world
That can also be said of Mr Millican or Richard Dawkins or Chris Hitchens or Matt Dillahunty...
@@craigsmith1443 nice try, but still wrong.
@@kellydalstok8900 You could try saying something instead of just trolling.
I wish I could express my anti-theist beliefs as clearly as Millican does here.
You could try.
Same!
@@theagnosticdeist3373 Give it a try. If you cannot, then perhaps you only have 'beliefs,' not reasons.
@@theagnosticdeist3373 _there seems to be no tangible benefit by following a certain set of Rituals and commands_
In Christianity, some of those 'commands' are 'love your neighbor,' 'accept responsibility,' 'honor one another,' 'encourage one another,' 'do not lie,' and a rather long list of changes that we humans must make in order to have a workable society of trust and respect. I would think that these have 'tangible benefit.'
Some argue that these are just 'reasonable' and that anyone could and would agree with them, but of course that is not true. Without God over our lives, what hierarchy of moral responsibilities do we live by? For most of our history, most of humanity has lived and still does live by a rational egoism that strives to build comfort and security for self even if it's at the expense of one's neighbor, and why not? Without God, why do anything different? That's the reason we have laws, courts, and police: people often quite justifiably try to find shortcuts to personal advancement in finances that we have to call 'illegal' with the force of punishment. People regularly fight with, cheat, and even kill each other over money and love. Here in America we're not doing very well with our rising crime rates in our big cities that have accepted a different morality from the one taught in the Bible. So I don't think that we can say that Christ's teachings 'have no tangible benefit' nor that 'what he taught is only rational.' Clearly it is not, and the majority of people show that every day.
@@williamschacht That's no guarantee. Jacques Derrida, professor of philosophy, was often accused of not even knowing what he himself meant.
Professors of all kinds, including philosophy, argue and accuse each other of being wrong. It even happens in science. Leonard Susskind is rather fond of telling of the arguments that he had with Stephen Hawking, for instance, and of course Einstein had quite public issues with quantum mechanics. Among the schools of philosophy, everybody disagrees with everybody else. That's part of the adventure, actually, but still it shows that 'becoming a professor of philosophy is not a guarantee of anything. Such a professor still has to ensure that his methodology is correct. Sadly, Millican does not. He does not define his terms (allowing us to wonder if he really knows what he's talking about), and he allows himself to contradict himself in stating that 'religion' (whatever he thinks that is) 'harms society' and yet he says 'We can all agree that religion is associated with good works' which by definition are not 'harm.'
No, a PhD guarantees nothing.
I love the simplicity of thought of Peter Millican. Beautiful. Good work.
The empty is also simple.
@@craigsmith1443 His arguments aren't empty, though, even if they're not what you want to hear.
@@tangerinefizz11 You are welcome to state your case.
@@craigsmith1443 Peter Millican pretty much sums it up, but I will add that Christianity is the creation of men, not a deity or deities, as are all other religions. Also, Christianity promotes slavery, sexism, homophobia, animal cruelty, sectarianism, and child abuse, so it's not a good belief system to follow.
@@craigsmith1443 islamic/christian/hindu/buddist terrorism. hundreds of thousands tortured/raped/abused/enslaved/murdered by orthodox/fundamentalist adherents. unapologetic slavery throughout the bookofgobbledygook
Well said an intelligent man with no underlying reason except for getting to the truth
He and you are a clown darling.
Uncontested slam-dunk!!! One of the best arguments against superstitious religious beliefs. 👏 👏👏
Fortunately, not all religious beliefs are 'superstitious.' Jesus, for example.
@@craigsmith1443 -- Which of the 40,000+ versions of jesus? Luthran? Protestant? Presbyterian? JW? 6th Day? Mormon?
“We are all Atheists about most of the gods humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.” - Richard Dawkins
@@MasterSpade _Which of the 40,000+ versions of jesus? Luthran? Protestant? Presbyterian? JW? 6th Day? Mormon?_
What exactly does that matter?
_We are all Atheists about most of the gods humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further_
Said Richard Dawkins with religious fervor. He doesn't 'go further,' he only goes against the one God that he he's heard most about but hasn't thought much about at all. So he replaces one religion with another and calls it 'atheism'; so he says that he's atheist. What he really means is that he's only atheist about the Christian God. Tom Holland says that since he's a westerner, he lives by Christian morality. Richard just doesn't know that because he doesn't bother thinking about anything except what he's talking about at that moment. Thus, he's wrong most of the time, for he ignores context, half of all meaning.
Historians argue all the time. Does that mean that, oh, Alexander the Great or Abraham Lincoln or Henry VIII didn't exist because people disagree about them?
@@craigsmith1443 -- You didn't answer the Question = Which of the 40K+ versions of jesus is the correct one? If you say "none of those", then you just added another denomination, yours.
"Religion is a phase a species goes through when it evolves enough intelligence to ask profound questions but not enough to answer them." - Bill Flavell
@@MasterSpade _You didn't answer the Question_
And I asked you what you think it maters?
Bill Flavel: Anthropologist? Neurologist? Historian? Anything at all? Just someone who thinks in memes?
Religion is where reasoning goes to die, and to quote Christopher, ''Religion poisons everything''.
Wrong.
All religious books can be classified as "The Goat-herder's Guide to the Universe"
Nice one.
_All religious books can be classified as "The Goat-herder's Guide to the Universe"_
Then you have not read any of them.
@@craigsmith1443 The ancient Israelites thought the earth was flat, covered by a dome, and supported by legs. Mohammed thought the earth was like a flat map held down my the mountains, as paperweights. It goes back even further with what's written in the Avesta, or etched into a rock in Cuneiform. These people didn't know where the sun goes at night so why should I take spiritual guidance from them?
@@micahaalders9840 Perhaps you will understand that knowing 'where the sun goes at night' will not affect your spiritual knowledge? I'm sure that we will discover more yet about the physical world, but whether we build a quantum computer or not does not change 'love your neighbor' or 'tell the truth' or 'Jesus rose from the dead.' Jesus said, 'Follow me,' which is as true now as it was 2000 years ago, and Copernicus, Newton, nor Einstein have changed that.
@@craigsmith1443 yet these religious doctrines brought back humanity and various sciences e.g Ptolemy and Galileo who were forced to bring into public acception that the earth was the center of the universe in fear of persecution and being classified as heretics.
Not to mention how deceptive iron age "prophets" were and how gullible people were during that time.
Religion teaches to hate everything that opposes your philosophical viewpoint on life thus creating pseudo sciences and the rest.
Denial of human kind as a member of the animal kingdom, making it a must to believe what we do not understand because we "shouldn't" understand.
Just because their isn't an answer doesn't mean your answer is the answer. Maybe a giant spaghetti might have created the universe. Maybe its a simulation. Maybe were living in an atom inside an infinite paradox.
If you place two mirrors facing each other,Did you create the infinite reflections?? No!
Infinity can't be deciphered thus it is not finite.
That was a clever comeback. Good work Peter !!
I wish I had heard people like Peter Millican speak 40 years ago.
That's a pretty impressive speech that brings up several points its just sad that people aren't to keen on hearing it.
A good example of this is St. Augustine who, despite being an interesting philosopher, did believe in forceful conversion and put forth the idea of baptizing at birth to establish that everyone is born a sinner. He was all for making people believe, for their own good.
the girl looked so offended. Was acting too kiddish.,
She's too smooth brained.
It was a set up from christian people's to mock him and shut him off from all possible future debate, to shame him obviously but they failed yet again.
That Indian girl got wrecked lmao
Common sense debunks religion all the time.
Yet NEVER gives reasons while extolling reason. I like your witness to what an illogical dumb hypocrite really looks like,
"I could debunk but I care so little about you that I will do NOTHING"
@@analogia_entisgives reason to or for what? What are you talking about?
If I may digress a bit,Prof Millican's accent is so beautiful!
Received Pronunciation it is called.
He definitely has a voice that brings the ear up.
If only all of us would start loving and showing compassion to others without looking at their skin colour and race and just have respect for one another - the world would indeed be a better place.
That's a beautiful dream. Now wake up.
Excellent points! But how does he get his hair like that?
Asking the important questions.
It was a set up to shut opposed non believerd off from the debate, it is impossible stupid question so you cannot answer. Standard christian misleading propaganda.
Good question its some nice hair.
😂
6:30 she clearly posed or I should say angrily shouted the question with no intention whatsoever to hear the answer.
Yeah but people are sensitive in what they believe what do you expect?
@@404_coffee9I expect RATIONALITY
"Religions often paint an idealized picture of society, and where everyone has the same religion it might indeed foster social harmony and inclusion."
Held, religion is harmful, we must all convert to atheism which claims no standards, ideology, moral standpoint, or ethos. This is the only way to usher in a new utopia for the areligious.
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Yes, I'm well aware of that quote. However, you were asserting that secularism was associated with more peaceful, equal and prosperous societies. The United States is a secular country and it is anything but those things. Those who would lead a country who have no sense of responsibility towards its populace, who are, very much, sheep, and always will be, sheep, are not worthy of calling themselves either scientific nor moral.
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That's just an excuse to institute totalitarian ideology. There is no excuse for oppression in that manner.
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You're an idiot then.
+FinaleGoofups "The United States is a secular country"? So why is it that any declared Atheist can not be elected to even the lowest office? There is a separation of church and state but that doesn't mean it is secular.
It's the general population and their attitudes and beliefs that make a country secular.
@@FinaleGoofups Triggered?
Great 10 minute summary into the harms of religions.
Sajjad's question answers itself. I really don't know what answer she was expecting.
The Young lady tried the old "Chicken vs. Egg" distraction.
People who try to DIMINISH religion's impact on the unhealthy activities within society, can always be heard EXTOLING religion's impact on positive impacts.
I felt his anger when he answered the girl’s question.
Bravo👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼. Well he touched on some of my issues with religion. One being devotion to something scripted by BRONZE AGE people who knew nothing about the world!👍🏼
Interesting isn't it?
@@404_coffee9
Absolutely!
Astounding isn't it? That 21st century people aspire to live by the words of Iron Age people who didn't even know of earth's orbit.
It's frankly shocking and hilarious had it not been unsettling af.
Good speech, but I would have answered differently to the first questions . I mean she really give the respond herself with saying that people can use religion as a reason, this wouldn't be possible if no one would think about it as a sound reason.
Exactly. The fact that religion justifies militant fanaticism. Is yet another reason we would be better off without religion
I think the woman commenter made some valid points. Yes, power and money corrupt and cause war and strife etc.. But that is a topic for another discussion. Religion causes war, strife, etc. That is the current topic and both topics can be true as they are not mutually exclusive. Religion is perhaps most harmful however in its promotion of magical thinking.
She was diverting, because nobody claimed that power, money an corruption aren't issues. It's a straw man and red herring of sorts
That we as the preeminent intelligent species on this planet - in the year 2023, _still_ have not managed to utterly and totally discard religions to the scrap heap of history, in point of fact speaks *_volumes_* regarding our collective so-called 'intelligence'! . . . .
5:23 "ohh that .. !!! you are right ! really didn't think about that "
Watching this makes me a bit emotional as is exactly what I've believed for most of my adult life. As young teen I started to think that there was no god(s). I still recall there day that I thought deeply about this and quickly came to this conclusion without any outside influence or any real education in science.
Looking back at my younger self I'm so amazed and in a way proud that I came to that realization on my own.
I just wish I could surround myself with humans like Peter Millican as I feel alone, even amongst friends and family many if which are mostly atheist or agnostic, yet they just don't see the harm that religion has to humans.
Being consciously I’ll-informed, choosing to avoid addressing new knowledge, is far worse than just being ignorant. Religious apologists are guilty of this.
Everyone should watch this. Great points are made.
As long as in god we trust is written on American money, god bless America remains a theme, officials get sworn in with hand on bible, christian holidays, etc etc. We will be forced to explain these things to each generation.
God bless america is actually the vatican pope brainwashing propaganda, the Vatican forced people's to worship the pope at god, it is an hinting religious propaganda.
Greed is the cause of all world's problems.
At my age of 61 I find that humans in general are a fickle, hypocritical , ignorant and narrow minded when it comes to religion. They still believe in Fables .
I like this guy.
This is the truest of truths there is.
I don't need to interact with anyone who rejects my periods of meditation whilst they pay for weekly sessions of mindfulness. Just need them to accept my faith as I do theirs.
Do I have to accept your faith if I don't have one?
Yes
@@geertdecoster5301 You have the right to believe just as I have the right to mock that belief.
@@FactStorm Yes, you do, and everyone else will ultimately pitty you because of it.
@@geertdecoster5301 Speak for yourself
I totally agree with him.
Personally I think for the case of Christianity isn't inherently evil, just like a gun isn't evil. You put it in the hands of evil people however and it shoots. It could be used for protection or for destruction
that's actually really wise!
I would like to understand why you think Christianity deserves a special case. It’s a cult all the same. If it’s not inherently evil, then no other religion is. Apart from Jainism that is.
@@bryangale8171 _I would like to understand why you think Christianity deserves a special case_
She didn't say that at all, in fact, she said the opposite, that it's like anything else. It can be misused.
_It’s a cult all the same_
That's only a name, not a description. To label is not to understand.
_If it’s not inherently evil, then no other religion is_
Perhaps no religion is. Name one that is and explain your reasons?
The thought that a person can be cast into infinite pain and suffering for believing something else , that you can cast your sins on a person and torture him to death , that there is this being in control of everything and designed everything makes thousands of kids die daily of thirst are fundamentally evil . and that is just the beginning . you may say there are good bits but you cant ignore the bad bits as you can do with other books . The bible is revealed truth and all of it must be accurate .
@@user-he4ef9br7z Your post is general and without evidence or even explanation:
_a person can be cast into infinite pain and suffering for believing something else_
Because medieval writers said so does not mean that it is so. Can you give some sort of reference, an authority, for saying this?
_that you can cast your sins on a person and torture him to death_
This is...foreign... to the Bible. Where does this happen?
_that there is this being in control of everything and designed everything makes thousands of kids die daily of thirst_
And you know this because of what, exactly?
_you may say there are good bits but you cant ignore the bad bits as you can do with other books_
Who does this?
_The bible is revealed truth and all of it must be accurate_
What do you mean, 'accurate'?
darwin didnt create evolution he discovered it..and then he created the "theory"...
Actually,Philip Pullman once confessed in an interview to be a "Christian ahteist", in the sense that he lived on Christian values. I doubt he'd agree on that in hindsight, since he supports the notion that modern values go beyond those established by religions.
This was certainly a far better speech for the motion than that of Nonie Darwish, which was counterproductive.
Like the modern value of murder the baby if you can't be bothered.
@@s-truth Jesus the intelligent designer LOVES spontaneous natural abortions...and the abortion of the child isn't enough for the blood lust of the tyrant Jesus...he also wants the mother dead. His unintelligent design of the uterus ( birth canal ) is the hallmark of Jesus incompetence of sociopathic love for miscarriages....
- 23.000.000 miscarriages worldwide per year
- An estimated 1 in 4 UK based pregnancies ends in miscarriage (1 in 5 if we only count women who realized/reported the miscarriage)
- Around 11 in 1,000 pregnancies are ectopic
- About 1 in 100 women in the UK experience recurrent miscarriages (3 or more in a row) - Jesus loves to endanger women, cause depression and maybe a couple suicides...
An abortion at least is done by medical professionals and not by the bad design of the "supernatural baby killah" from Nazareth.
@@Raydensheraj You do have a vivid imagination. Perhaps you should write books for children.
@@Raydensheraj Vatican politicized jesus christ into multiple third-party dictators image to shame the real christians people's. Vatican is religion fraudsters.
Crusades come to mind...
She thought she was owni g him cuz she got a few claps, and got absolutely destroyed and she realized it. The look on her face was chef's kiss
LOL I love her pissed off face. You can see her shaking her head in disapproval
I want to be one of these people standing there and debating! I really want to do that so bad!
Don't want... Do!
Create a RUclips channel and share your thoughts.
You mean you want to be well-educated, thoughtful, articulate, and quick-witted. A worthy aspiration.
This is still relevant today.
The *true* effect of religion on society can be clearly seen in the early stage of any religion. timing in such observations is crucial. Even brothers fight, would you ask them to stop being brothers then ? No, I don't think you will.
Brothers fight because it is human nature to have disagreements with one another from time to time. Religions fight amongst each other and with the non-religious because their belief systems impose black and white thinking through indoctrination. There is no comparison.
@@miranda.cooper I'm not sure what do you mean by "black and white" thinking, I hope you don't mean aggression towards the opposition. It is logical that one religion doesn't accept another religion to be the same as it is. There are differences between religions and this fairly natural.
No religions ==> no West Bank occupation. For example.
In the future religion will be criminalized . Man created god out of fear !
A real fool, castigating the entire Western Natural Theology (based on the reason he proposes to follow) . To be a theist is NOT to be religious. and no one ever said such a thing.
And the pure fool aspect is how he is glad to harm YOU in the name of "SOCIEITY" but the debate assumes that society has opted for religion !!!
What a fool
religion is the most real imaginary thing ever
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Right now religion seems to be the dominant factor in dividing societies but if you were to take out religion from the equation, would humans still not find factors like language, accents, food habits, skin colour, even clothes to divide socities. I guess religions also exist and thrive because of the innate yearning of man to be a part of groups to ensure his survival. It's not religions but the religious leaders and politicians that take advantage of people's eagerness to look at other groups as a threat to their survival and respurces that divide societies.
Is she from India? sorry, we disown her.
Very nice explanation on theory of regionalism religion ❤.
Both the Peters (Millican and Atkins!) easily provided the best arguments in this debate
That woman asking the question has no idea what secularism is, her attempt at a straw man was futile.
I love the triggered faces!!! HAHAHA
Was thinking the same thing.
Religious apologists often show the most hostility because they can't fathom someone destroying their delusions
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ وَأُنْثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware.
Great points
⚠️Comparing Islam and Christianity is wrong. In the history of Islam, religions have always coexisted.Rousseau mentioned this difference in the book of social contract.
All will I make change
Look at America right now and tell me religion doesn't harm society.
Nature guides the way with science
That's a fact, Jack!
There has NEVER been a more destructive movement than religion!
"Faith is the concious suspension of rational thought" as Hitchins used to say
His brother said that too. He is now a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN but that you can't accept because you suspended rational thought when the brother found reational thought :)
@@analogia_entis and what is this "rational thought" you babble about?
Fairies flying in the sky?, invisible men? Magical creatures no one has ever seen, is that your "rational thoughts"?
And also, people might believe on all sorts of funny thing, rational or not, including the deluded Hitchins brother.
Great speech ⭐
He did so well.
Sure you can have conflicts over land/politics/resources etc., but why add imaginary conflicts from religion to make things worse. The German's hated Jewish Germans for their wealth and different beliefs, but if all German's were Jewish/christian/atheist etc., they wouldn't of exterminated them.
This is the most important speech of the 21th century.
Not according to some people due to it being subjective.
Spot On !
I support this motion.
I quite agree.
Most developed and peaceful countries in the world are irreligious! Czech Republic, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, etc. Even in the US, US states with best quality of living are irreligious like Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. Religion is also harmful because it sets up expectations for individuals without actually fulfilling individual needs! For example, religions force you to marry and have kids, but that’s not what everyone is capable of doing. I’m a proud atheist and I wish we can live in a world where all religions cease to exist and bring people together.
Using this logic, I can say the best places on earth are places with white people. All those nations you mentioned are predominantly white. Atheists are so stupid at logic. Otherwise China would be doing better right?
Hear, Hear!!
The Jew having an absolute right to inhabit and control Palestine which they claim to have been granted to them by god
Well the moabites Sumerians Samaritans and all the other tribes who lived there before the Jews came out of Sinai and murdered and enslaved them because it was okay by God
At the most Israel should abide by the Balfour agreement and live within those boundaries and that means giving up Jerusalem its not theirs.
However it would be embarissing for the UK and USA to recommend an amendment to the present situation given that both countries have also stolen land no doubt with gods grace.
Bravo
Was he reading quotes from Christopher Hitchens' book "God Is Not Great how religion poisons everything"?
Why are people able to interrupt his closing speech?
Liked this fellow's persuasive arguments until the lass interjected and he misunderstood what she said. She observed secular ideologies can also be immensely destructive to society too.
Why am I condemned to hell for I was born into some other religion.I.remain not saved unto death.Religion more about here after than what is.
Think religion should be publicly banned and only privately practiced ?
As much as I hate religion, I'm not sure 'publicly banning' is the answer (among other reasons: the law of unintended consequences. banning can sometimes make something more prevalent). But I would suggest that we need to stop (not stop with laws but just stop doing) any kind of public affirmation of religion. As an example I remember reading on BBC world news, about something that had a moral component and BBC had gone to the Archbishop of Canterbury for his opinion. I remember thinking 'why him, in what way is his opinion any better on moral issues than your average joe Blogs. At least joe Blogs takes his morality from modern day society and not bronze age society. I think one of the biggest lies that religion pushes (and people often believe without questing) is that they are in some way more moral than everybody else.
Religions are divided in Ulster. Did England do this with the penal laws in order to divide and rule?
religions are divided everywhere but you would probably be surprised to hear that even in Ulster many catholics & protestants live & work side by side & are friends.
@@THEWIGMONSTER Presbyterians were subject to some of the penal laws. Sounds like divide and rule to me.
@@THEWIGMONSTER Yes, its better now in Ulster but there's still deep divide
@@FactStorm I am descended from Irish Catholic Irish Portestant and English Protestant here in Canada. Religion is not an issue and we all get along at least as far as religion goes, although some people who are not Christian would dispute this statement.
Believe in sanshient being remember
Is money a religion?
I coul'nt agree more, but why throm in the parable of the catholic/protestant athiest? I;ve heard from at least 5 people who all say to have experienced it themselves
Is he reading Hitchens notes???
all these guys destroyed the spiritual cancer that is hand me down visa versa religion
Smart man
Look at the examples Ohhhh
Damn😫😫
That what happened
Why you always have to bring that homosexuality argument in this kind of debates, I hate it.
NO HOPE FOR ALL WHO ENTER HERE
I wrote the CORAN
Which religion harms Peter !
King Henry VIII slaughtered the Catholics in England because they refused to be forced to become Protestant.
Please speak about yr own country's problem. Tell us how Henry did it ?
Isn't that....nevermind.
in order to progress in science and technology you gotta stay objective. you cant believe in something and seek the truth through your belief because you will always be biased towards it wich taints your judgement and your objectivity on the matter. science is always seeking the most probable theory to a topic and can be ever changing depending on new discoveries. if we were forced to do our research on the grounds of the bible for example, we would still believe the earth is flat and that adam and eve actually existed. religions split society and turn people against each other. many people think you cant have morals without the use of religion but thats wrong. religions are what give people an excuse to do horrible things because those people think they are doing the right thing according to their respective religion. society is ever changing. humans are evolving. what once was legal or morally okay is changing pretty much on a daily basis and while society tries to evolve, religions hold it back with its primitive beliefs. biggest offender of that is islam. while the bible got rewritten to adapt to modern society in some ways, islam will never do that because muslims believe the quran is the word of god and god cant be wrong. this is why even to this day, islam is the biggest religious threat to society. in a perfect world, religions wouldnt exist but sadly we keep tolerating them even tho religions do everything to fight non believers and try to change our laws in order to fit their twisted belief and morals. we can be multi cultural and theres nothing wrong with that but for that to stay peaceful, religions must also adapt to the current world and not preach ideals that are this limited and outdated.
Sure, religion harms society if it is false. But if a particular religion (Christianity for example) is actually true, it can actually save society. It depends on whether it is actually true or not, and by definition almost all religions are false because they contradict each other. There can only be one or none that are true.
"Organised" religion was (and is) at heart an attempt by the educated elite to cope with the uneducated masses. At its best, it provided stability rather than social chaos, a place for everybody and everyone in their place. Ideally, it needed isolation. Contact with other religions destabilised things.
However, such geographical isolation is a thing of the past. The masses are better educated. Traditional God Did It "explanations" are increasingly side-lined by better answers from science. Top down control systems are no longer accepted without question.
It's a tough time to be religious.
@@alanthompson8515 Granted, 90+% of religions have to be false by definition. No argument there. Science doesn't replace the God of the bible in any way, it is simply a study of the incredible universe he created. The study of engineering in no way is a replacement for Henry Ford the agent that brought the automobile into existence.
@@elkhuntr2816 Only 90%? On most estimates, that makes over 400 of them kosher! Most believers wouldn't stand for that!
Henry Ford brought the mass market, mass produced automobile into existence. Economics as well as engineering.
Science and the God of the bible can co-exist (just) but not for literalist believers. Their dogmatic worship of a text (aka biblioidolatry) forces them to deny geology (deep time) and biology (speciation). Since all science operates via methodological naturalism they are dissing science complete. It ain't pick 'n' mix.
@@alanthompson8515 Speciation is theoretical and has never been observed. Darwin observed adaptation within a species (finches) and then tried to scale those observed, minor changes within a single species up to the point where all living species have a common ancestor. That's not science (observable, repeatable, measurable), that's a scientific philosophy. Science confirms the fact through observation and repeatability that Finches always produce 100% finches. Creationists are operating off the exact same evidence observable through science that naturalists are. Remember the goal isn't to try to come up with a plausible explanation of how it might have happened, its to determine what actually happened.
@@elkhuntr2816 What utter BS! "Creation non-science" actually claims to KNOW "what actually happened" (BTW that's God Did It By God Magic) and tries to "determine" "a plausible explanation" that fits this presupposition. That is pure apologetics, NOT science.
Science DOES aim for the best current explanation.
Speciation is "theoretical"? LOL. It is a well understood series of processes, despite the extended timescales usually required. While speciation most of the time is a slow process that takes many generations and thus is not observed to its completion in a human lifetime, there are exceptional circumstances that allow for speciation to occur in a single, or a handful, of generations, allowing humans to observe and document the whole process from beginning to end, and even reproducing the speciation event in the laboratory starting from the parent species.
One of the most common such mechanisms is polyploid speciation and hybrid polyploid speciation in flowering plants, which anyone with eyes willing to see can simply google. Humans have not only observed and replicated these examples, we have exploited and even industrialized the mechanism for the generation of new varieties of domestic crops.
Then there is Lenski and team's legendary LTEE (go look!) which reminds us in passing that "species" is just a label of convenience.
Why not spend some time checking your sources before commenting. Gullible acceptance of an answer coz it confirms your prior opinion is also not science. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these sound like Demski PRATTS even though he's an ID proponent.
In conclusion, here’s a contrast to think about.
Science: doesn’t know all the answers, always doubts, always questions, when challenged - replies with evidence.
Religion: knows the answers, has no doubts, stops you asking questions, when challenged - (usually) gets hostile.
Power
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