Ultimate Bargain Porsche: Why The First Generation Cayenne Is Much Better Than You've Been Told
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Bought a new one in 2004, kept it 12 years and did 120,000 miles. Never let us down once, easy to drive, comfortable and an absolute tardis.
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@@sanchozarchicha1064 If there's a truly reliable German car today, it's nothing but a Porsche. Older Benzes used to be goddamn reliable, but they abandoned their own reliability.
@@mottom2657 I mean my 2008 Gl450 is at 191K miles, regular maintenance keeps the older germans running minty.
2019 cayenne s here 122,000 miles. Super reliable no issues
2005 955, 80k owned it 5 years and use it to launch a boat, never misses a beat! (Does eat discs and exhaust is rotten from being in the sea constantly)
These are, indeed, underrated. My first project at Style Porsche was to help finish the interior and then production use it, involving many trips to Wolfsburg to liaise with VW Design who were working on the Toureg. I later did the exterior facelift with Steve Murkett, designer of the original, correcting (IMHO) the too narrow “face” of the first iteration and reducing the CD from .42 to .35. Long time ago, but cool project!
These were a huge step for SUV dynamics and the Turbo was a real giggle to drive!
You nailed the interior imo, especially in full sand/beige. It’s just so Porsche 👍
That interior was a group effort, but it worked out well enough. It’s funny that these first Cayennes are now nearing 20 years old! I think their significance is that Porsche saw it could profitably extend its brand with SUVs and that this was copied by other luxury and sports car makers.including Rolls and Ferrari. My wife drives a Levante and loves it. I think the first X5 and Cayenne E1revolutionised the car market…
At least you didn't work on the exterior! 🤣
I do like the interior. It almost exists in direct contradiction to its exterior styling. You managed a very comfortable place to sit in, which also looks good in an understated and elegant way. Nicely done. Well, except for a few odd choices on switch and controls placement ... but I don't know if you were responsible for that.
Maybe I'm odd but I think the first version looks way better than the facelift or later models.
I have a 2006 955 Turbo S, and LOVE it. I can afford a replacement, but seems silly as I don't think there is anything on the market that is that much better to justify spending $150k+ on. I love the look of the 955 Turbo S, much more than more current models, and firmly believe that these will be collectable in time. Great review and look forward to the more detailed version.
A first gen Turbo S is absolutely a future classic
looks very dated
@supersurfer1
@@supersurfer1
People who say that don't even know what they mean. Makes them seem smart in their mind I guess.
@@supersurfer1 In 10-20 years, they will look great .....
2004 3.2V6 A great car that has turned out to be far cheaper to keep running than expected over the last 5 years! This is because almost all the parts it's needed are common to VW Touareg, Audi Q7 and various other cars!
Just bought an exact copy with 190k kms on it and I gotta say I’m pretty nervous for future issues but so far an absolute joy to drive!
@@dareios92 hello thinking of purchasing one, has it given you any issues yet?
Any problems yet mate? @@dareios92
As greek i can tell u that Cayenne Mk1 was a landmark of our golden age of ΠΑΣΟΚ. We used to buy them as business 4x4 pickups from european subsidies while we pretended to cultivate and breed our fields and goats. There was literally villages that Cayenne was the best seller while in germany i guess it was a turbodiesel vw jetta.
Yolo.
Εξάγουμε πολιτισμό
...which is why you nearly brought down the Euro.
@@EvoraGT430 if the 1% of eu gdp brought down all Eurozone means that something is REALLY wrong with euro
Well, its disgrace what happened to Greece since then...
Always wanted one of these, I remember when they had just launched and one pulled up alongside then proceeded to do a passable imitation of a rocketship, at the time seeing such a big car have acceleration like that was startling, left a permenant positive impression 😁 there's quite a few of them being used as actual off roaders these days too which results in some interesting modified ones
It is a great car if you are a shitty dad.
Haha I had one do that to me. Crayford high street 2004. At the time I was in an L reg clio 1.4 rt 5 door in red 😂 so in no way shape or form trying to race it. It looked huuuuuggggeeee. Shot off at indecent pace. Was 5 youngish lads driving too laughing looking down at me. Certain car memories stick with you when you first see a certain model.
Performance, a big yes, reliability a big no, looks - fucking atrocious.
I have a long-lasting, deep-seated impression after witnessing an Audi RS6 pull onto the M40 and weave effortlessly onto the fast lane... such power!
We had 2 of them a 2004 s and a 2008 turbo. The turbo made the s feel slow, but to be fair, our E55 AMG made the turbo feel slow.
Even with all wheel drive it was slower off the line. It had the same horsepower, less torque, more weight. The grip didn't help much.
Had three Cayennes, and covered a collective 289,000 miles trouble free. Bloody marvellous. Easily the best large SUV.
Thanks for putting this video out! I bought a 2006 Cayenne Turbo S with 125k miles on it last summer, site unseen, here in the States. I had my eye on the CTTS for a few months with the plans of modifying it into a proper overlander/offroader. Since acquiring I had to do a decent amount of sorting: electrical gremlins, EVAP fault rabbit hole, rear tailgate struts, parking brake strut, etc - all the usual suspects. Now that the PCCM from Porsche Classic has been released, I'll have a working PCM again. I then did a 3" lift with 1/2" sub-frame drop, coilover conversion from air suspension, side runners, and roof rack, all from Eurowise for the E1 Cayenne. New 19" wheels and 32" tires to make it look the proper off-road part. Finished it off with an XPEL Stealth (matte) PPF over the black exterior with factory black accents (no chrome). So have in essence created what my road shop calls The Batmobile. I love it so much now that it's sorted and converted. If you're looking to invest a bit to get it all sorted, these are wonderful machines. And I for one love the looks. They have a real road presence 20+ years on from the initial release, and don't suffer from the bulbous, swoopy look of the second gen, which look like something from a Kia or Hyundai designer. Looking forward to the follow up video when you have more time with it after sorting!
The Kia copied the porsche design.
Just came back to let you know that your assessment of this car was directly responsible for me going out and buying a 2006 Cayenne Turbo S the other day. It has been sitting for the better half of a decade and is an absolute rat but I very much look forward to restoring it!
has the engine started knocking yet?
How did that work out for you now that it's been a year, do you restore it? i got one a few years back for a price from the original owner i couldn't pass it up, i haven't had any major issues so far, have you? And if so what happened?
Why wouldn't you just get the 2008 turbo? It's just as fast and more reliable.
First, excellent delivery as always, James. Your intro to the car with the ‘impressively through the sunroof controls’ made me laugh out loud, literally. It just built from there. Hits particularly close to home as I have test driven several Cayennes. I am still the season of life that needs an SUV…for my work and for my family. But I have been hesitant due to the maintenance…..this has been such a great video. Entertaining and informative….as always. Thank you, again, James!
You need an Estate. You want a SUV. 😉
I had a Cayenne S 2005 for two years, between '12 and' 14, and I loved and enjoyed every minute with it. Almost no problems, only the AC fan gave up at one point but that was it, only regular maintenance. A great car.
I own a 2004 Cayenne S that I bought with 32,000 miles on it. It now has 70,000 and has sat in my driveway for a year and a half because I couldn't afford another repair yet. The car drives like a dream, handles beautifully too. That being said I think it could have been built a little better to prevent some of the issues I encountered. The coolant lines that run under the intake manifold are a plastic composite that inevitably become brittle, crack, and leak coolant onto the starter. Porsche has known about the problem for years but chose to ignore it. The drive shaft couplers wear out quickly and have to be replaced, the front differential becomes very loud and has to be repaired, the power steering pump had to be replaced, and now there is noise coming from the driver side valve cover area which has me concerned cylinder scoring and piston damage. I guess I was expecting the quality to be higher than it turned out to be. Then when Porsche fought in court to keep from having to repair or recall their vehicles for a known issue I was reminded that Porsche is really just a Volkswagen which are not known for dependability or quality.
I've owned a UK Cayenne Turbo for over 5 years. My wife loved it so much that we took it with us and put it on a German plate when we moved there. It's been quite reliable even though we did have the known issues like the drive shaft that needed refurbishment (EUR 300 at a specialised shop), the battery that needs replacing every year and the oil consumption. When we bought it it had 120k miles and we put another 100k on top before we sold it. It still drove fine but we wanted something a little more sensible with the gas consumption.
I have one and absolutely LOVE it!! 2006 Cayenne S. Titanium version. Grey/Black interior beautiful interior. LOVE LOVE LOVE this car! 2 years of ownership and love it as much as the day I bought it. I sold a Yukon Denali XL to buy this and glad I did.
I have an 06 955 s. Owned and loved it for 6 years so far. I was getting ready to move on but ended up putting chunky a/t wheels and tires on it and fell in love again! Its brilliant in the snow and mud.
I have had 7 of these cars over the period of 15 years. Both new and used ones. Among all 7, I have had pretty much every single problem imaginable: electrical problems, suspension failures, engine and gearbox breaks etc. And I have spend so much money repairing them, that I can't even count that far. And what am I driving now? A 2011 Turbo with 220.000km. And I love it! And I don't care, even if it costs a lot to run. There is simply no better car for a cross-continent commute from Berlin to Marbella in total comfort, safety and speed. 20 litres per 100km on Autobahn on a long journey is well worth it. James, buy one now!
I'm looking for a vehicle to do similar duty. Priority is cargo space (flat floor) and length.
What might be the next best thing for you, erring a bit more on the side of decent gas mileage?
Get a diesel one if you want the same experience and vague economy. I have a 2010 Touareg TDI and it’s pretty good on juice on long runs. Gets 35mpg towing!
20 litres per 100km on Autobahn... on a long journey is well worth it.🤣
9:39 Photo credit is a class act. You are a gentleman, JM.
Bought an 2003 S just a year ago and I love it. It was quite a surprise in fact. I was lucky to get a fairly well maintained one and with a good LPG conversion on top. Maintenance so far has been reasonable... disks, pads, a bearing, plugs and a MAF.
Of course, it helps you can do some minor annoying jobs, like changing the small screen betweeh the speedo and the tacho yourself...
Did you get the turbo one? At least the complete cluster can be retrofitted, from what I know.
I have a 958 Turbo with the optional sports suspension and black pack. Other than the transfer case which it ate at about 65k miles, it's been awesome. It's now at just over 100k miles. Never intended to have it this long (nearly 5 years now) but it's a good old stick and goes like a train.
Great video, i was hoping you'd eventually do a video on them, lve had a 2009 cayenne for five years now, still only on 71k, immaculate black inside and out n still feels like new..... Im starting to yearn for a 5.0 mk6 mustang (since your video) but like you said its annoyingly good, , fast and far more agile than it looks, its been faultless and I still love it as much as the day i bought it..... oh and i let people out, just to see the shock on their faces 🤣
James, I had a 3.2V6 Cayenne and it was fantastic. Apart from a coil pack and blocked sunroof drains ( thats your water issue ) it performed faultlessly and to be honest the V6 was more than enough pull it around and saves any concerns over slipping liners in the V8 cars.
You only need to worry about the slack in a chain at the end of the engine.
I have a 2005, and have owned it 6 years. I only have 56,000 kilometers on it, as I use it mostly for occasional highway excursions where I need the extra luggage room, compared to my 911. I have to say, I absolutely love my 955, and other than coil packs, it has performed flawlessly. I have upgraded the interior with CF and a new infotainment unit. It is an S version with Fabspeed front pipes, it sounds great and has plenty of power for such a versatile, roomy SUV. I don’t think I will ever sell it. I may do the aluminum coolant pipes, and go 1” larger on the wheels with the next set of Michelins, but that’s it. I would highly recommend this version if you can find one with low miles, and in excellent cosmetic / mechanical condition.
I've owned 3 911s that I put over 400K miles on over the years. I reluctantly sold my last 996 Cab and bought a 955 Turbo when my boys couldn't really fit in the back of the 996 anymore. I love my 955. You nailed the current state of affairs. I bought it from a dealer for less than he paid at auction after I showed him all of the codes it was throwing on my computer. I replaced the air shocks, sprayed the parking sensors with WD40 (it works!), replaced the PCM2.0 with a proper Sony XAV-9500ES stereo, replaced the coils and spark plugs, replaced the power steering pump (OMG), replaced the O2 sensors, replaced the broken coolant t-joints behind the engine, replaced the starter, cleaned out the sunroof drains (bass guitar e-string works great!), replaced the back tailgate and window shocks, powder coated a set of 18" 997 BBS wheels and put Nitto Grapplers on and I am in love with this thing. (I did all of the work myself. It would have been a fortune to have someone else do it!) Seems like there was some other work, but I can't recall... oh, yeah, I had to take apart the instrument cluster to replace the color LCD screen and the two little brown transformers on the circuit board. But think of it this way.... I'm putting a $100K vehicle back to a pretty reliable and fun vehicle, and I still don't have as much in it as I would have lost to depreciation on a new one. I'm keeping mine for a long time. And the 2nd and 3rd gens look feminine to me. Hell, even the face-lifted 955 started taking on that girlish look.
Man🔥🔥🔥have you got any pictures
I have a 2006 first Generation Porsche Cayenne Turbo which no has 168.000km (about 105k miles on the clock) and i have zero complaints.
They are and have always been popular here in Germany, especially in rural Areas here in the Alps because they're really reliable and great for Offroad/Dirt.
Also there are so many of them available on the German Car Market for not much Money at all.
I had no idea they are hated/unpopular in the UK.
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
I remember when it came out and it was quicker round the EVO track than a WRX 😅 - not the quickest car ill admit, but it was still pretty impressive in its day.
No car approaching this size, height and weight was close to as fast at the time. It more or less revolutionized SUV performance. So yes, quite impressive.
Can't deny the performance credentials, and I don't even mind the perceived expense of ownership... what I can't get over is how fucking ugly it is.
What issue is that. Id like to read it.
@@augustortiz its in the back of the magazine when they used to list track times. Would have to look sorry i have no idea. 2002 ish i guess.
Great video James. I had one of these, a Cayenne S 2004, a few years ago to scratch an itch and as a stop gap car............I kept it 18 months !
When you drive one, you cannot believe how well they handle for such a big car. As an all round car it's excellent value at this price point.
I got mine from a Porsche specialist and they did a bore check for me. Mind you, there was always the whiff of coolant after a run. The coolant tank never went down and the dealer couldnt find a leak, so kept on driving it. I think (as you state) the running costs are a bit high. 15mpg average for me, just over 20mpg on a run. Front brake pads were expensive from memory, £200 upwards if memory serves. Plus random electrical issues, like the tailgate not opening everytime and the central locking failing to open the O/S/R passenger door. Only found that when I opened the door and the alarm went off. Then realised the rest of the car was locked!
Would I have another? Yes, definitely, but a later model 957 GTS or 2011 onwards as that has a better inside. But thats £££££ more.
Keep up the great videos
P.S. I still have a 986 I bought 6 years ago and it still feels special when i go out in it.
Just wanted to say this video pushed me to go and buy one, and I've managed to end up with a V6 manual! I'm totally in love with it, it is just a perfect all-rounder. Thanks!
manual S was rare enough, never thought they came in the v6!!!
Owned a 2005 Cayenne Turbo for several years - it was mapped with a full Milltec turbo back exhaust and gave us only minimal issues. Only sold it when fuel prices got silly. Max 16mpg was too steep for a daily. Great fast machine
Bought my second 4.5 n/a recently for £2800. It has steel linered engine. Otherwise just needed a big service. Truly brilliant car. Yes, it needs odds and ends doing, but it is so good to drive. No sunroof or air suspension to worry about. Not too slow either and on LPG does an equivalent of 30+ mpg. James, you ought to try this. Or my BMW engined 2cv van or Bentley turbo r track car.......
I’ve been considering a ca 10 year old Porsche Cayenne, and like you said (more or less), if you buy a good one and spend ca the price of it on fixing everything wrong (and some upgrading perhaps), then you’ve got a very very good car 🤙🏻 Informative good video (as always)
I have a 4.5 v8 twin turbo, owned it for just over a year now. It is absolutely fanblinkintastic. About the only thing it has needed is a water pump, everything else has been both fine and dandy. I put an upgraded head unit in so I have up to date sat nav, phone integration, sd card, dvd and reverse cam - all that stuff that sounds great on a spec sheet. It is comfortable, amazing to drive and as fast as any normal person could desire. I have had about 35 cars now, this is still my favourite.
I had almost the exact same experience, 1st gen naturally aspirated cayenne S with 150k km on it… turned me into a likely lifetime cayenne fan.
It is such a pleasure to drive, outstanding performance, beautiful to look at, timeless really. Only real issues since purchase, roof liner damage from the shop that put in a backup cam for me, also slight roof liner damage at the driver door from my head when getting into the drivers seat.
Also trunk hatch hydraulics got weak, had to get a replacement pair for about 70 bucks. I also installed an after market head unit that is custom made and flush fit for the gen 1 fascia, full android, huge touchscreen with built in tablet SIM card slot - phone not required. Perfect.
*Had one of these 7 years ago, I used it to drive from the UK to Portugal when we moved to the Algarve, we drove it alot! also half used it as a van when renovatimg out last home, I even had a palet of bricks loaded in to the back with a forklift and it drove like a dream (even with a ton of bricks inside) this was actually my wife's favourite car, it never gave us a single problem but end up parking it for a year just because we had other vehicles so ended up selling it last I heard its still going strong.*
Your still in algarve i sell cars in the Loulé area
@@benjamincheshire30 yes I am in Lagoa
Ok cool do you get any cheap part excange vehicles, i buy foreign cars that have finished inspection and sell for parts
What engine?
A neighbour of mine had a Gen1 GTS back in period, guards red I think, great presence and the correct colour for the big bus. Looked great.
Thanks for the video! I'm always looking for 955/957 information...
I bought an '09 GTS (957) with 83k miles on it a couple years ago here in the US - it's still my daily driver with another 40k miles. I try to keep it from putting me in the poor house by doing as much work myself as I can (replaced water pump and stuck thermostat a while back, and just finished replacing CV axle when I missed a tear in the boot). I can tell mine is bit older than the one in the video, as the dash display is monochrome - but the good news is all of my electronics are working (including radio, backup camera and "quirky" navigation system). I still love the car, and am one of the rare drivers to take it both to the track and off-road to places where I had to use the low-gear range and extra height in the air suspension. The heated seats and steering are wonderful during the winter here in Montana, and the 4.8L V8 produces plenty of heat. The poor gas mileage is my biggest complaint (if I throw it off a cliff, it might get as much as 14 mpg on the way down). The GTS is more sports oriented, with stiffer suspension (even in "comfort" mode) and sports seats - I will grant that my daughter's XC90 is a bit more comfortable for a drive across the US, although it's quite doable in the Cayenne.
My advice to anyone looking to get a great deal (because they have depreciated so much) is to plan for issues (first gens are about 20 years old), budget time/money for repairs, and shop around for one that was not abused too much.
I've got a 957 Cayenne S with the ultra rare off-road package (adds a rear locking diff). They are a great drive and like you say, so much car for your money. The running costs are spicy though.
My first Porsche was a $14,000 118,000 mile 957 GTS, 2 owner and just like you said, the original owners didn't care about it, mine had apparently baked in the California sun for it's entire life, clear coat failed all over the roof and hood. I would own another one in a heartbeat. The air suspension was over 12 years old and still worked perfect, even offroading, handled driving on the beach and dunes wonderfully. Of my own volition I chased down a lazy cold start and ended up replacing both in tank pumps, fuel filter, pressure regulator, high pressure pump and follower.
Beyond that, I drove it over 25,000 miles and spent nothing more than oil changes and spark plugs before I found a great deal on a Macan Turbo that I traded it for.
We have a 2009 base Cayenne and absolutely love it. Bought in 2019 for $11,500 with 84k miles. Just passed 120k and is just as tight and serene as the day we bought it.
I agree James. I love the first gen Cayenne.
4.5 and 4.5 turbo may look the same but the 4.5 turbo uses a different block so it doesn’t suffer as bad as the normally aspirated 4.5 from the dreaded bore score issue 😌
I've never had a problem with either, but I had heard this rumour as well.
While you're at it. The car has some nice little features that some don't know about. Hidden nest eggs if you will. If you still have access to the car check the back window wiper. It has a button centre bottom which feels like a handle. It opens the back window which turns it into a split tail gate. I have one and I love it.
I had a 2005 Cayenne S. I really liked it and couldn't complain about the fit and finish -- very Porsche like. It was comfortable to drive and handled great. At times it was hard to believe that I was in an SUV. I only had it for about a year and it never gave me any problems. It had about 50k miles on it and had been well cared for. I loved the refrigerated glove box! One strange quirk was the placement of the battery -- under the driver's seat. That wasn't an issue, but only a Porsche Service Center could swap it out because of the unique bolts it used, so roadside assistance couldn't help if your battery died out on the road. Great vehicle all in all.
Changing the battery is not hard at all. You only need a torx driver. ruclips.net/video/UvKgnPWSsaQ/видео.html&ab_channel=Motors%2CMegabytes%2C%26Mods
Always had a soft spot for these especially the turbos👏🏽
I owned a 2003 Cayenne S for 9 years and drove about 100,000km in it over that time. I towed a 2 ton boat regularly and carted my family of 5 with 3 late teens boys and all our luggage on holidays. It drove only like a Porsche does, with amazing performance. I only had two breakdowns in 9 years. The plastic coolant pipes gave way within the first few years (known problem) and the steering column controller died. Otherwise it was pretty much just oil, tyres, brakes. They’re thoroughly well made and engineered. I loved trying out the low ratio on steep gravel roads but never really needed it. But I liked knowing it was there. When I sold it it looked almost as good as the day I bought it. They hold their looks well. These days I drive a Q5 and it’s not nearly as good to drive and doesn’t handle a patch on as the gen 1 Cayenne.
I owned a 1st gen with a manual transmission. I absolutely loved and and should have never sold it. It was super reliable and very competent off-road.
Great review. I have a 957 GTS 6MT PDCC/air suspension car that I'm building into a bit of an offroader, with a retrofit locking rear transfer case, lift, control arms, winch-ready front bumper, underbody protection, and a few others. Unfortunately this added a bit of weight, although I've tried to drop some with a lithium starter and a titanium exhaust that should go on at some point. But even with the lift, all-terrains and added weight, it is a revelation driving on road. I recently took it to a twisty mountain road at about 8:00am on a Sunday morning, no traffic, and it was shocking how much speed I could comfortably carry through corners.
I have to say I actually am coming to appreciate the 955's styling more and more. It was hugely influential in that it was the first vehicle to really combine car-like styling on an SUV. I think the front end works slightly better than the 957's, and I like the 955's taillights as well, reminiscent of the Carrera GT's. It's a well executed example of 90s roundedness that also carried car-like design language into SUVs, which is where the rest of the industry went in the late 2000s and into the 2010s. For that reason I wonder if there might someday be a minor Gen 1.1 Cayenne backdate trend 😆, since the ".2" 957 was mechanically a better car.
Also did you have the ride height on "Normal"? I think it looks better in "low"
Edit: As far as repairs, great point about these needing the wear items done. I preemptively replaced the clutch, power steering/PDCC pump, engine torque arm, suspension bushings (well, replaced as part of the offroad build), air struts, and a bunch of other wear items; I still would like to do the high-pressure fuel pump and clean the intake valves. Also it did do the classic 957 V8 thing and spit the coolant distributor pipe's glued-on-barb, dumping all of its coolant on the highway 😆 This is not a cheap fix, some will quote you to drop the whole engine/transmission to replace the pipe
Ultimately, this car's final boss is bore scoring. You can repair the block, and essentially rebuild the engine better than factory, but you can guess how much that costs, especially if you're not doing it yourself.
You are so correct ! I have a 2006 Cayenne S and I absolutely love it! I bought it a year ago, turned it up myself, K&N air filters, some Liqui Moly oil, and I’ve been chewing up pavement ever since! I will get the 2006 turbo S
Hi Jay, I bought one last year, a fixer upper to tinker with and I now love it. So much so, I sold our other family wagon/dog car (a Mercedes E-class) as I was always jumping in the Cayenne 😂
Interesting, which model did you get?
Yes, I made the insane choice and brought a 955 Cayenne turbo, 2005, have only had it for 3 months, I love it for what it is. I do have a 928 s4 which I've has for 12 years. Both are what the Porsche elite consider only to be looked down on. Mine was quite cheap and very dirty, just used, but everything was serviced / repaired. After weeks of cleaning and detailing it revealed how well built it really was. It drives like a Porsche should, being originally sold new in Japan it has a weird set of options. Looking at everything as a whole, you get a lot of vehicle for the money, but there is a lot that could go wrong. As a weekend driver you can roll the dice, and being in New Zealand where we don't put salt on the roads and don't have huge temperature swings, these do make a kind of weird sense, well at least to a car nut who has asperations, but not always the means to achieve them. Thanks James for sharing your revised thoughts on this, I do think we are in a golden era between ICE and EV and ?... enjoy it while you can.
I'm with you. I've got a 986 which I love, and bought a 955 yesterday. Cracking cars!
Bought an 05 turbo for a cheap price that had not been maintained too well....once I got it sorted....I absolutely love driving it. Not cheap to repair...bur a pleasure to drive.
I own one and can vouch for all the positives. This is the man's dream car which can also be a bit of a project car then you can DIY and smile everytime you get to fix it :)
16:42 I leased a new 2005 Cayenne S for 4 years as a daily driver replacement for my usual BMW 3 series. I wanted AWD (it snows where I am) and this was not available on the 3 until the following year. And even with snow tires I was tired of the 3er always trying to kill me. The S was the non-turbo (yes non) V8 and it had the low range gear box which I did use a couple of times. It was superb in the snow and famously got me and family to the airport during a bad snow storm on the first and only flights out for the day. It also handled extremely well enabling me to avoid an accident at full speed on a snowy highway with some quick flick maneuvering. With the back seats fully folded down it was the perfect place for my largish dog or a 65 in TV I pick up in it once.
3:54 The battery. Yes. The battery is under the drivers seat. Yep. You need to remove the seat to get at the battery. And the seat is held in placed by single use bolts that hold the seat in place. Yep. Fortunately I never needed my changed during the lease.
I also downshifted the auto on every single stop so my brakes made the entire 4 years without being changed. The dealership couldn’t believe it. Not sure how that affected the transmission in its later life
5:19 Interior leak. Yep. My passenger side well was always damp. Always. So I suspect that is a design flaw
Btw at the time I also owned a 986 Boxster and a 996 C4S. The C4S was the best looking and the Boxster the most fun.
Single use bolts for the seat? Hmmm.... dont tell mine that, they have been in and out numerous times.
Letting your passenger side get damp is trouble. Dont know how you made it through. Sunroof drains are clogged with crap, clean them out now and again.
I have an '06 955 S Titanium. I love it. Unlike many modern SUV's it's a very capable off roader. Porsche did a brilliant job with the Mk1.
I bit the bullet and bought a gen 2 958 3.0d in black with black leather interior. It is the best thing I have bought in my life. I moved from a E83 X3 3.0d which I loved and was in the market for another Beemer, but my daughter persuaded me to go for the Porsche as I had always talked about getting one. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 🚘
My experience - I own a 3.2 vr6 Cayenne. Perfectly adequate power for normal road behavior. It needs revs. Air suspension is great, compared to other brand it is reliable. If you can work on your car it is not bad in terms of repairs and maintenance (especially the vr6). Certainly cost me less than my previous car - e39 530D and is immensely more practical... especially here where we have real winter and bad roads :)
i just ordered an 3.2 Cayenne. How is the air suspension? I heard that they are pretty much lifetime but I need an actual owner's review. Thanks alot!
@@aproapemasini6066 for about 30K km I only had a small issue with a pressure relief valve but it only took some time and wd40 to fix it.
Your presentation style is getting better and better. Detailed, but not dull and woven in are anecdotes with flurries of creative language. All not easy to do whilst trying to drive. Hats off to you.
I opted for the other money pit, l322. So far 1 year in it’s been brilliant and I love it.
Quality content as always James 👌
Hi Jay, i bought 957 cayenne turbo 2008 facelift model in Dubai that was in very good condition - other than a battery replacement and a lose starter switch on the steering column that the guys at the agency fixed it was the most fun I have had and I recall the sport and sport plus modes were mental and always great fun to impress friends- I sold it again for the price o bought it too, overall a really great car superb driving experience if you know how to look after it
Wonderful video as usual James.
I had a 2007 Cayenne for 2 years (when it was 8 years old).
It was a wonderful winter car. I wish I still had it. It’s certainly imo better than the RR and Cupra that took its winter/family place.
There is no Model year 2007 Cayenne, so I take it you mean a mk2 MY2008 produced in 2007?
I have been in a GTS, it is truly amazing for what it is. And the sounds are amazing.
Bought one just before Christmas, had a RRS and Vogues ect. Saw a 2005 4.5 S at sensible money, I absolutely love it and very underrated
I paid $4500CND for my 2004 955 Turbo S did the rear Cardiff shaft and the coolant tank myself. loved it so much I got the wife a 2010.
This cayenne is my favourite looking cayenne, it has a classic vibe that I love
I've had an 05 Cayenne Turbo for 5 years now, and I love it. I'm more of the sports car type, previously owning 911's. The DNA of the steering feedback and handling is all Porsche! In 40k km of driving, I've only had to do oil changes with no major problems. Find a good indy mechanic, and maintainance should be manageable.
When the Cayenne was first launched and nobody got it, or indeed wanted one, I was living in Dubai and the local Porsche General Manager called me and said he would pick me up for a test drive in a new vehicle. Turned out to be a Cayenne Turbo and we proceeded at 160 k kms per hour on the highway. He turned off onto a dirt road at 160 and it was amazing how well it rode on such a dirt track, at that speed. A while later, my wife and I were invited to a Porsche day at the Dubai Autodrome race track and were taken for a ride with a young German rally driver at the wheel of a Cayenne S. We will never forget that experience ever, an SUV that can handle that well on a track was unbelievable. My wife and I rode 1000cc sports bikes so we know speed well, but amazing vehicle and a 2005 Cayenne Turbo S, modified to around 750 hp, might be all one needs.........thank you for the video, brought back many memories of friendly police and no speed limits in the UAE back then. ❤🎉
About time Jay - We have owned a Cayenne 4.8S since 2017 when we bought an 08 plate with 39k miles. Today it has 64k and have just changed the plugs and coils. During that time its been very reliable and a joy to won. OK it failed the last MOT (a first during our ownership) as it had a broken front coil spring, but that was easy to fix. Also the entertainment system went intermittent / stopped working, but £200 later I had a replacement thanks to a guy selling one on eBay. Easy fit and all sorted. Regarding the flat battery - now that did need the AA. Woke up one morning and it was flat - checked it with a multimeter and it was reading around 4V - now that is FLAT. This is where you find one major design fault with the first gen Cayenne. The battery is under the front passenger seat. Relatively simple procedure - move seat forward, undo some bolts and cover catch. Move seat back and undo more bolts and remove the battery. One problem - moving the seat relies on electric motors which rely on a good battery , which is where we started. We did think of selling it about a year ago and after two days of washing / polishing / cleaning everything and posting it on-line, a prospective buyer came and offered £1k under my asking price. At that point I thought "you must be mad" - not the guy who wanted to buy the car but me. At that time I also has a Jaguar XJR with 220k on the clock which had turned into the Jaguar disco machine. Every trip became a light show with various red and yellow lights lighting up. So, I told the prospective buyer, thanks for the offer, but no thanks, and decided to keep the Cayenne and sell the XJR. And that is where we are today, still have the Cayenne after 6 years of ownership and will almost certainly still be driving it 6 years time.
Wheeler Dealers bought a 2006 Cayenne Turbo.
The coolant pipes are a known issue, as is the air suspension, but the repairs were relatively cheap.
If I were in the market for a SUV, I would prefer the Porsche to a Range Rover.
I do love your enthusiasm in your reviews.
Looking at a lovely one today in Royston, and used your Car Vertical link above. Very excited! Thanks James :)
I had a 2003 cayenne s several years ago. Loved it. Didn't cost us anything other than fuel. My wife was frightened of it tho.. I now drive a 4.4 E53 X5 and a L320 supercharged and am constantly searching for the right cayenne - 05 turbo, grey with brown leather..
I have a nice example in Canada on PEI. 04’ 172,000km, titanium metallic, black interior though. . Only light on is the brake booster. $8500 cdn.
Have been in a facelift Turbo around a genuine race track, at speed, was quite hilarious. Shockingly good amount of competence from such a large vehicle.
Owend a low mileage first gen Cayenne for almost 3 months. Drives so good!
I am on my 2nd Cayenne Turbo for the 1st and 2004 and now a 2008 I bought both with around 30,000 miles. I’ve done well over 200,000 miles combined.
I’m in Arizona so I use it on the freeway, mountain roads, snow, sand, dirt roads all over the place and I have actually to used the lockers a few times it's got all Terrain tires on it and can pretty much do everything except rock crawl in comfort.
Its amazingly capable and the ride on the dirt roads is so excellent. It handles my roof tent and 4 mountain bikes on the back and 4 strapping lads just fine.
So, it is true to say a few things go wrong but not often however cost $000’s as can servicing, my most expensive was the steering lock at $4,500.
When people ask me if they should buy one, I say yes if you can afford the repairs, have the mindset of adding $10k to the price of the car and keep it in reserves for the repairs.
Now I would only buy one that’s been looked after because that $10k can be used up quickly, and I think that’s the problem, finding a good one.
Even a good one will have the Air Suspension fail, Prop shaft failures, brakes + others over the life of the vehicle.
I have never owned a Range Rover I would love one but the mechanical failures on that scare the begebees out of me.
Covering the car I've been eyeing nonstop. If this recession is real, I will buy this ultra ultra cheap.
I've had my Cayenne turbo for nearly 5 years, it's currently at 184000 miles!!! I've done all my own maintenance, parts are relatively cheap and it's soooo easy to work on. Can't see me ever selling, it owes me absolutely nothing and it's such good fun to drive.
With proper winter tyres it's a beast when we get some of the white stuff.
Still got it? How are they for rust?
What year?
Your videos gives me some kind of top gear vibes. I love it.
I too was one of the people that loathed the Cayenne when it was first released. I wanted to dislike it and I knew it was never a pretty car, but I always wanted to test the waters to see what they were all about. Last year I finally took the plunge and whilst it did burn a hole in my wallet, it most certainly exceeded my expectations. It may weigh 2.4 tonnes, but it handles like a genuine sports car. The way the power delivery has nothing until 3K RPM and you get a huge surge of power was so addictive. It really was an excellent all rounder. The only thing that let my experience down was the 22’s I had, it made the ride unnecessarily coarse and unforgiving. Had it been on 20’s or even 19’s, the ride would’ve been sublime.
Owned a 955 Turbo for about 3 years, been fantastic! everyone thinks they are money pits, but with the right knowledge, good maintenance and a Durametric, They can be a reliable and amazing car. I have no lights or warnings with over 200,000kms with everything working. I will say, it was not like this when bought, it had shot front shocks, failed ABS and Traction control modules and was missing. last owner had given up on it.
Have had a 2004 Cayenne S for 5 years now 190,000 plus miles on it still out runs most everything on the road never uses a drop of oil between oil changes drive is amazing love the Cayenne always exciting to drive were ever I go!
I’ve got a 2020 “E3” Cayenne S (with the same engine as an Audi RS5) and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned and that’s including an E46 M3 and a 2005 Boxster S. It delivers genuine driver thrills and defies physics. It’s also a lesson in engineering that no Range Rover can match (and I’ve had 4 of those).
Got a Cayenne Turbo 2004, for 4 years now. We bought it and took it straight to the garage to get the motor out. Did everything that was needed. Never had any problem after that till now. It’s such a joy. We’re rather take the cayenne then the brand new q3 of my girlfriend.
I’ve owned a 957 cayenne s for 10 years now. It’s one of the best vehicles I’ve ever had. Never left me stranded or caused any financial problems. I had a small oil leak which lead to a rear main seal being replaced. A very rare issue. It ended up being a engine out service which was a bit pricey at $4000 but in 10 years I believe I’m about maybe 7000. Oil changes are done by my local shop for $120 and brakes I did once. All that for a Porsche. That’s not bad in my book for what I have
Brilliant James. That's something you should definitely look at buying 👍
This is really good. Can't help but think that it is the ideal film car for you. And a second video of your month long trial will be very welcome.
Yeah it really would make an excellent work wagon, especially in Winter
Mk1 cayennes were one of the most common hollywood camera rig cars around. Seen them in tons of behind the scenes stuff.
I bought a 957 S and now I'm watching everyones review... I'll admit, all it takes is one freeway experience and you're hooked.
I've gone back and forth on buying one of these over the past few years, I've loved every single one I've driven, but I just feel more at home in a Land Rover.
From what i remember after looking at several and doing countless hours of research: the 3.2 is a dog if you want to do anything more than basic daily driving. The NA V8 at least in the pre-facelift cars suffered from some bore wear issues and over time they start burning oil and lose compression, a problem avoided by the turbo thanks to the piston oil squirters. Parts and servicing on these isn't as terrible as you'd expect, lots of stuff from VAG/Touareg interchange; turbos don't have a whole lot of room to work on them, but they're also a very reliable powertrain weirdly enough (minus some plastic cooling and vacuum line components)
It is a nice vehicle to sit in and drive, and take on the highway. We use ours for some off roading too, and towing a camper trailer, and it does both of these things very well. It even handles nicely on twisty, well paved, roads. For its size, it handles better than one might expect. I should add, ours has been surprisingly reliable even though we use it "as intended," which is to say, we make it work for its money. Shame I'm in Canada, or I'd gladly let you drive it around for a bit to do a piece on your channel. Anyway, I think you got it mostly right with your assessment. We maintain it regularly, and we had the plastic coolant hoses swapped out for the aluminum ones pretty early on - an egregious design error on Porsche's part. And so, other than the fact it goes through tires and brake pads fairly quickly, and of course gets horrendous fuel economy, it's a very comfortable, actually usable off-road and for towing, lazy-boy on wheels ... which happens to handle rather well for its portly stature.
I’ve got a 957 cayenne GTS. Love it, even through the energy crisis. What motor. But yes, it’s a little on the costly side. You just need the right contacts to service
Porsche fan since childhood, 40+ years ago... owned a very early 911 for 20 years and have had 2005 cayenne s for a decade. the cayenne delivers extraordinary performance while being quiet, sure footed, spacious and weirdly understated. I live in LA where understatement is weakness. this is an amazingly satisfying car to experience. rips through tires and brakes; that is my primary complaint because those are expensive items to replace on this car. random failings with this and that but shit, what a joy to drive. your living room with a hulk-like rage potential, if you're feeling up to it.
Nice to know I'm not the only person who also things Jaguar cars are warm to sit in. They just make you feel at home inside them.
Damnit i've been trying not to buy one of these for years! One of the 'EverydayDriver' guys has a base model - albeit the facelifted 2007 (ish) version i think - and that has been very reliable it seems... Still, at least with a 100 litre tank it's easy to work out how much it costs to fill up - bout £150.00 atm.... I've always really liked the looks too.... seriously.
Fantastic reviews bro
Ya, it's between a newer gts, and a first gen turbo s for me. Leaning more towards the newer gts for the chassis upgrades since it's basically similar to old turbo s
Needs front window tints, an illegally spaced number plate and clouds of vape coming from the windows for that proper old Cayenne aesthetic
These days it's clouds of marijuana smoke....
In California certainly
I had a 2006 Turbo S with 116k miles on it. It was a rocket ship, but had various vacuum faults causing the transmission to fault, everything you touched like wipers and gearshift surround had little bits of brittle plastic break off. The engine liked to drink oil. These engines can suffer bore score and mine did develop a noisy tick, so may have been that. I spent as much time with my head on the bonnet checking for noises as driving it. The brakes on the Turbo S are silly money. Infuriating as the 957 Turbo had similar power but (relatively) cheap as chips brakes. It looked great to me for what it was, as it had the sport design body kit. That said I was more proud of this can than anything else I've ever owned so will get another, but hopefully the 2011 on generation.
I have 2006 Turbo S with 96k miles. Little gremlins with electric fault here and there. Front brakes are about due. Looking at around $1800 for the rotors alone. They are fast with maintenance cost. Love it, even though Iam only getting 10 mpg.
First gen by far the best version I know I've had them all (turbos) settled on the 955 turbo S 06 512 bhp standard easily tweaked to well over 600!
It really shows just how ugly cars have got that I can now look at this and think 'doesn't look that bad'.
At the time, it was probably the most heinously ugly car around - now, it's beaten by sooo many.
Spot-on > 2nd Gen 2011 Cayenne S V8 here ....bought in early 2017 with 65K miles > been through a recall or 2...1 major which Porsche was very good about in 2018 > care for these cars as required & unless the rare event of a Lemon (which ALL Manufacturers have), these cars are by far best bang for Your high performance luxury ride imo
I’ve had 3, first gen v6, first gen Turbo and currently have the facelift Turbo S. Great cars and always been reliable for me. Worth mentioning modern Porsches only require servicing once every 2 years (if your not doing mega miles) with exception to RS models.
How much slower is the V6 compared to the S?
@@alainm.3378 the v8 Turbo is quite a bit faster then the v6, but then the modern Turbo S is significantly faster then that (but also a lot more expensive)
@@tayarudi I meant the base V6 vs. the base S (9PA).
Great video as per usual
I'd consider the 2nd generation 12reg onwards , Great Video James
Just wait until Magnus Walker declares that First Gen Cayenne Safaris are "The Next Big Thing" the prices will shoot up.