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you legit got 3 guys from different religions in one livestream! 😂
Literally great Religious Pluralism 😊
seriously, it takes too much patience to takle others psychology
Episode name should be "Amar Akbar Anthony" LOL!
😂😂
😂😂 wow
Divided by communal hatred united by irrational blvs😅😅😅😅😂
❤
Why is their communal to abrahmic faiths only when there is no communal hatred to jews,parsis,Sikhs,Jain's, Buddhists?
This 100% true and we have possible explanation 😂😂😂
How is he so patient with people... I would've been making 10 different types of faces while listening to these arguments 😭
Alas! I only have one face.
@@vimohlive 😂😂
@@vimohlive According to Advaita, you and Ravana are just different manifestations of the same common universal consciousness that pervades all dimensions, separated in space and time. So, my friend, you too have 10 faces, if you want to make them at your callers! 😅
He is 41years old, I really want to be as patient and calm minded as him
@@BAAPUBhendi-dv4hoikr when i hear people speaking total bs that annoys the fuck out of me
The level of patience pro maxxx
Love what you are doing Vimoh!! Keep it up❤
"Kya unke parents ne ganja vanja...." It broke me to the core..😂😂 i was crushing at the time lol
I am a billionaire. Since this sentence in itself has no internal contradictions of contigency from possibility to be existence essential basic on principles... please add more word salad to it and I am a billionaire possibly in some unknown universe!!!
Kya sar dard tha Bhai wo aadmi! 😂
You have a lot of patience Vimoh! Hats off!
And chalta-phirta scissors!!! Really 😮
That brethren guy gave me a headache with his logic textbook word salad.
Not sure what he was trying to insinuate except that if it can be imagined, and there are no internal contradictions, then it is possible. So what? Is he trying to apply it to the concept of God and conclude that God is possible? Atheists have no issue with that conclusion. It is just that they say that there isn't enough evidence yet, which therefore does not make it real. I don't think any atheist says that the concept of God is impossible. To me, this is the essence of his argument and the rebuttal, cut and dried.
All the nonsense about essence, contingency, blah, blah, blah was an utter waste of time, to be fair, from both sides
Fancy words maar ke cool bante hai bhai😂😂
27:50
एक example मैं भी दे देता हूं।
My own Experience: सूरज पृथ्वी के चारों ओर घूमता है और पृथ्वी चपटी है।
Calculated belief: पृथ्वी गोल है और सूरज का चक्कर लगाती है।
Such diverse discussions... and civil ones... great keep it up!
Why don't people understand the simple fact that Religion is man-made.
brainwashed from years and years
@@introvert_teenyes completely brainwashed and I feel bad for them
Atheists be talking like this and want religions people to not assume things and to go towards rationality
Why atheists can't understand the simple fact there is God
I'm a sikh my religion is man made I know! But it really matters?@
Advait guy wasn't clear about Advaitism
Please invite Acharya Prashant if you can?
It makes no sense about debate with Advait
Why is Acharya Prashant is seen feeling frustrated 24/7 even though he talks about bliss, ananda 24/7 ?
@@thoughtspondering bcz of ppls like u
@@thoughtspondering because that's your subjective perception....you're coming to roast him but can't even be a rationalist😂
Acharya Prashant ko maal maarte aur daaru pete dekh acha laga
31:23 Vimoh graciously helping out the opponent by suggesting a better argument 😂
Yeah I saw that😆😆
Listening to criticism of other religions and reflecting it on my own religious beliefs, this is how i became an Atheist. I hope callers of this live-stream revisit this video and try to see the same thing. (as well as other religious people who might watch this stream)😅
It was the same with me. I used to listen to a guy named Neeraj Atri (who was a kattar Hindu) a lot on the history of Islam, it was around 4 years ago and once he said something like this (I don't remember exactly) "Allah, joki poore universe ka creator hai, ek chhoti si galaxy ke ek chhote se tare Suraj ke charo or ghomne vale ek chhote se grah ke ek chhote se registan ke ek chhote se shahr me rahne vale Muhammad ki har samay dekhbhal karta hai." I still remember those words and that's where a small seed of atheism was planted in my brain.
@@RR_theproahole can you please translate that to English, I don't know Hindi.
@@vigneshm-gi3yn sorry for the late reply it's something like "Allah who's the creator of the whole universe, cares all the time for Muhammad living in a small city on a small planet revolving around a small star in a small galaxy."
Joyboy
@@shiroyasha_007 Happy New Year, Brother 🎊😁
Quality debate skills Vimoh, keep it up. 👍
Yes, it was a fun debate.
But Vimoh made some factual errors in his arguments. For example, saying that we believe in axioms because they are proven. By definition, axioms are self evident truths from which the rest of the field is derived. Secondly, saying that 2+2=4 is an axiom is wrong. While we take it to be true, it actually was derived from first principles (or axioms) by Whitehead and Bertrand Russell in their seminal opus Principia Mathematica.
Finally, there was no reason to allow the argument that cancer is caused by environmental factors that humans introduced. Cancer has been around since very early days, ever since multicellular organisms started crawling the earth.
Just wanted to call out some facts which would help make the arguments shorter and stronger.
Kudos to Vimoh for helping out the guy to debate against himself 😭😭
Keep up the good work! Thank you!! 😊
Post hoc rationalisation through and through present in the minds of people who come to talk. But still they come with an open mind for a conversation and that's the point. It is to set aside the blind agression and just talk
Excellent counter arguments @Vimoh, as always - logical, relevant and polite. You are not just creating an invaluable space for rational debating but showing us atheists how to clarify our own thinking and rebut faith-based opinions!
Bhai ji aap bhatke hue logo sahi raste pe la rahe good job
Vimoh was so logical had to become a member to him. 😂
We're gaining Unlimited amount of perspectives & ideas of arguments to shut up the BS, thanks a ton Vimoh 💜
Wow, why Mahabharata was not written from draupadi's prospective, this is actually amazing, never thought this, everyone there shud have there prospective of truth, n why not ask Draupadi, who was right there in middle of this. This shud be debated....its amazing thing that many youth are coming n putting their points, asking questions, talking, this is a very good thing, youth starting asking questions means, there r many ppl gaining consciousness before. We can say 20 or 10 yrs before, ppl used to get such questions post 30 yrs.
There is a award winning novel Yajnaseni ( meaning born out of yajna or sacred fire) which narrates a lot of Mahabharata from Draupadi’s perspective. A brilliant book. It is no coincidence that Vimoh brought it up as this book was written in Odia by Pratibha Ray. You can get translated versions. And if interested there is also a play based on it.
People created their oneself very strong in thier mind to live , that is god for them , around that mentality they wrote many scripture , I think . we are getting new perspective by your video , thank you .
Regarding the first call on how consciousness can come out of something material: I think it is because of the complex chemistry of different kinds of materials that brings about consciousness. The caller often isolates concepts like the eye and the photon. But consciousness is all of those things taken together. Consciousness is thinking of the brain, all of Senses and their perceptions... It is a system of different processes running together.
Just want to warn the Muslim Man that Ghalib Kamal is not very generous/patient like Vimoh and sometimes and can come as rude but he has a very good sense of science and seems like a good knowledge on religious texts as well.
Ya, I've been on his stream, whereas Harris is quite calm too but he has stopped doing live stream
@@a2d2charlie13 vimoh is better than all Indian and Pakistani atheists.
That's the problem with Amit Tiwari, Ghalib Kamal etc (except Substantia Nigra) they have great knowledge but little bit rude, that limits the users to join the stream.
@@RUclips_Idee Yes but still they are much better than likes of ExMuslim Sahil like channels (at least for me). I saw one of their streams and they abuse way too much. How can they communicate if they are abusing that much.
When this man is debating intellectual Muslims from HAMZA'S DEN yt channel?
The channel where world is accepting Islam
jason and his connection are both breaking and there in sync😂
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Possibility and impossibility both need to be demonstrated.
By the person who is making a claim.
@@vimohlive Agree.
Something can be possible or can not possible, something can be impossible or cannot be impossible. It gets tricky talking about it in a conversation. Needs formal language, best written down.
Need guts ( and information) for doing this live❤
Muslim bro doesn’t know the concept of conservation of energy. 😂 He thinks there’s an energy chain leading back to an infinite source
Lmao I commented about the same thing..and now reading your comment 😂😂
All theistic arguments be like- hum kuch bhi nahi jan sakte for sure. Achha ok. Toh meri ye faltu baat man lo yar.
Loved today’s episode
i got headache from todays stream. Damn 😭 ... It should be paid .... premium content.... members only thing ... High level quality content today 😂 .. some were objective... Some were contingent.❤️
Newton wasn't wrong, Newton is right but up to a certain limit.Einestein just drew a bigger circle.
1:38:00 Jupiter didn't come into being after dinosaur got extinct
There is no proof of god who created a human being. But we definitely know that humans created god. Throughout the human history when we don’t have any explanation for anything we try to explain it by placing god in it and creating a mythical story to explain it.
Also shooting stars are meteors and space debris
Read “Parv” book written by S L Bhyrappa. It starts with the perspective of Draupadi and proceeds with perspective of every major character.
1:09:54 Basic fallacies comminuted by Muslim believer
1. God of the gaps
2. False Dichotomy
3. Bandwagon Fallacy
4. Argument from Ignorance
Also, Highly recommend him to discuss Islamic scripture with Ghalib Kamal
The Muslim was so dishonest to hesitate to attribute Cancer to Allah.
I bet IF ANYTHING good happens, like if his mom or dad got cancer, he consulted a hospital, they got healed, he'd say "Oh thank Allah!" & it'd be the FIRST THING out of his mouth.
I like how he blames EVERYTHING but Allah for anything bad.
"Everything good happens due to Allah,
Everything bad happens due to ANYTHING BUT Allah"
"All scriptures are faulty except mine"
~ Typical Muslim
😂😂😂😂 like hindu
😅😅😂😂all religions same ... Nonsense
Metha meetha huf.hufd
Kdwaa kdwaa Thu 😅😅
@@merahatindori.
Do you think I'm a Hindhu?
First person was hilarious 😂
What's more hilarious than he proved that certain book is false .
Great conversation with Vipan. Good points raised and quite insightful debate.
40 different versions of Quran exists with 70000 difference .
there are more than 30 versions of quran, Hafz, warsh, kaloon and so on... all with diffent verses or difference of verses... and people say Quran is preserved.
although.....im not defending any religion....i can say that the quran is preserved, and the things you mentioned are flawed
@@mohammedzain5598 Quran is not 100% preserved
@@indianatheist1 it is!!! give me arguments i will debuk em
Regarding the breathren of Peace guy's argument. He seems to be way too hung up on possibilities. I do not know how a posibility is enough of a reason that concludes god's existence.
he did not even start his argument
vimoh could not stand in the preliminary discussion to start the debate.
He has no knowledge of complex discussion except saying I don't know we don't know any data.
@@farazyt5168 i don't know is a pretty valid statement when discussing hypotheticals.
50:30 Vimoh you took the wrong example. Just ask him why god kills innocent kids through natural calamities like earthquake, cyclones and forest fires.
Please consider having one more similar session with pranav in it in next episode, will be a banger for sure.
Same problem everywhere interpretation and commentaries being an xmuslim have encountered these argument 😢
i'm a kattar follower of chu-chu-chi
The chat involving the Muslim guy was such a swing of emotions! The moment you think you know what he’s gonna do next, he flips 😂
Had me at Jupiter and Scissors eating food !!
5:29 start
Thanks
1st Caller, don't watch too much ancient alien 😂 and don't skip biology class
A bit about the suppossed incorruptibility of the Quranic text over the centuries.....
Two examples might suffice.
Shabir Ally, a much respected mainstream Islamic scholar from Toronto, someone who has debated David Wood multiple times about Islam : " The idea that everything in the Quran has been preserved dot for dot letter for letter is not actually a scholarly way of thinking."
And then there is Yasir Qadhi, the dean of The Islamic Seminary of America and resident scholar of the East Plano Islamic Center in Plano, Texas about the perfect preservation of Quran- " One of the most difficult topics (faced by the Islamic scholars) are the concepts of Ahruf and Qirat."
And both relate directly to the supposed perfect preservation illusion. He further goes on to add that these problems were well known to Western scholars for the last 100 years and that the Eastern scholars are yet ignorant of the same.
The problem of Ahruf especially is so central, that if accepted by mainstream Islam it literally would be the deathknell of Islam as a claimed coherent, unchanging message from God himself. And that is because the original Quran as claimed, was revealed to Mohammed IN SEVEN DIFFERENT AHRUFs variously meant as styles/ways/forms /modes. And this multiplicity of the Quranic text was exactly the reason why Usman had to destroy all the earlier divergent copies of the Quran making way for the standardized Usmani version.
So much for eternal preservation.
Example of astronaut was too great 👍
Great counter arguments
Buddha says existence of God is a wrong question . No one can answer this so why we are discussing it.
Vimoh. Itna patience kidhar se late ho
Rasoolallah ki gaand se
1st Hindu guy and the 2nd muslim guy should try to proof their respective religions 😂 that would be one hell of a debate
You are best sirji. I'm permanent now ❤
Hello can anyone tell me how can I join the call with Vimoh? Is it only for members or patrons?
The Saturday show is free for everyone. Justcome at 8 pm. There will be a link to join.
Loved the conversation, very well handled.
Just one thing: Axioms in mathematics, asfaik, cannot be proven. That's why they are assumed (because they are obvious)
(Just trying to enrich the total conversation/knowledge here)
35:55 he forgets viruses, which are dead matter untill they enter a host body, so there are things which are partially conscious and partially dead matter.
Yes a pasmanda can lead the prayers, this pasmanda is a construct unique to the subcontinent and specifically north India.
the one thing i realized from the 3 discussions is that all the religions want you to believe that your senses aren't reliable and you just need our god to show you the truth. how else would they sell us their gods
Some religions have made human real zombies. It is evident from your live sessions itself. Christopher Hitchens already said that about a specific religion.
Good conversation keep it up sir❤
hats off to you Vimoh Bhai, the first 2 callers were literally children, so childish and so annoying but you didn't lose your patience..
or ye last Muslim caller ne kitni uchhal kud machayi, itna flawed and crooked logic sirf existence of God prove karne le liye..
BTW those childish callers that 24 year old Muslim boy and Jacob.. they seem to be future Atheists..😂
You're debating kids.
I used to find these amusing. Now these theistic unarguements are just frustrating, given how they shape the human world.
1:16:54 so sweet of him haha cam on kerne do
What a sweet kid
Dinosaurs existed for hundreads of millions of years before going extinct humans have exited for like 200k thats a very small fraction agar dinosaur crhistian hote woh bhi kehte wah 100 million saal se humpe koi metor nhi gira god loves us soo much 🥰🥰🥰
Same talk points by all the three 😂😂
I believe My religion has the authority so mine is the absolute truth and u should follow it
Loved it ❤
oh bhai vimoh, cosmic being ka paad...you literally got me there :D :D :D
Thanks to all believers for proving how fragile their arguments are without much efforts from Vimoh😀
I became atheist after realising that we came from apes, and none from animal kingdom have any religions plus reading harrari opened my eyes for the better, Vimoh you doing a great job, love your skills to argue and counter
What’s harrari? Is that the name of a book?
@@fieryscorpion name of the author book is called sapiens
Some other species including elephants, chimps, dolphins and ants do have a sense of community or society that is centered around basic morality, something that could be equated to a primordial form of religion.
Bache log abc ka kitqab padke ,, poori human philosophy ki baat karre hai without even reading reasonable number of books
Love the title of this vid 😂
I am a research student. So, I can't believe in someone or in case if believe, then i would never hesitate to say that "it's my belief only" and if someone doesn't agree it's totally fine because there is no evidence of god.
29:40 bhai vimoh aap savage ho yaar 🤣
Maine aap jaisa bamda jindagi me nahi dekha, aap mujhe logic study karne ke liye majboor kar rahe ho...
Learned a fancy term “Necessary Truth” 😂😂 Inventions to convince oneself that there a magical being 😅
34:58 vimoh, in mathematics there is a difference between self evident and proved and we can't prove the very basics of mathematics ( this is a long debated problem in mathematics )
You can look up for this in godels theorem and can get an idea from peanos axioms.
Yes. I had a longish conversation with Pranav about this the other day. The point I was making here is that aside from being axiomatically true, we can ALSO test 2+2 and find that the answer is NOT 5.
@@vimohlive There are different axiomatic systems one can work with when it comes to modern mathematics, mathematicians generally use ZFC axioms. Coming to your point, in such a system 2+2=4 is a theorem, not an axiom. You can test if 2 apples and 2 apples give you 4 apples, but you cannot test if 2+2=4, numbers exist only in our minds and not *necessarily in our universe.
That guy around 2:11:30 sounded like Adam Seeker who's a popular Ex-Muslim from pakistan.
Vimoh Sir what is your opinion on Ashtavakra Geeta
Keep it vimoh, good job 👍💯👏
according to our subjective experience, trees and plants have no consciousness, but science has proven again and again that they communicate and respond to external stimuli and adapt as per their conditions. So they are termed living and conscious.
I would love if someone extremely sound in science debate on this topic with the religious ones !! It would be great to learn science along with it !!
Jupiter is present at the time of dinosaurs but this Jupiter unfortunately not able to save dinosaurs ,,bcs dinosaurs does not pray to god😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jacob sunil
Peter kamble
Johnson Gaikwad
Prince Kale
Happy Christmas 😃
WTF 😒😂
High level conversation ❤
33:41 If material cannot generate consciousness, why do people go unconscious when they get bonked in the head a little too hard?
2:04:05 Dragon is a fictional amalgamation of raptors, reptiles and other beasts, perhaps also inspired by archaic fossil findings of prehistoric animals. The human mind creates fiction based on things that already exist, therefore it is about as hard to conceive of dragons, as it is to conceive of a chimera with a lion's body, bat wings, and a scorpion's tail; or maybe a mermaid, which is the torso of a woman on a fish's butt, allegedly inspired by sightings of manatees.
Similarly, one can conceive of a god by combining the qualities of human consciousness with natural forces, to create a supernatural being to explain the existence and governance of real phenomena - an entity that doesn't exist in the natural world, but is still conceivable in one's mind, and can be represented through storytelling, literature, art, and music. One can conceive of an afterlife, by combining the reality of death with the pain of losing someone, and the desire of eternal life. You can split that into heaven and hell, by adding in the desire for society to follow a moral code, hence creating a fictional magic system, where you get rewarded for following that code, and punished for deviance.
"Concieving" of something isn't extraordinary. Conjuring stories about such conceptions isn't extraordinary either. But just because you can conceive of something, doesn't make it REAL. Without proof of its existence, it is merely the human imagination breaking down reality into concepts, and playing building blocks with them in the mental realm. To prove otherwise, you need EVIDENCE of the exact thing that you're claiming. Else you're just spinning stories.
By yr first logic
We should create robots by now which are conscious and this creates a new life being and us being their new "god"
Clearly we havenot?
@@mr.gamerkabir8142 What does the existence of material consciousness have to do with our capability of creating conscious robots?
Clearly there's a difference in materials there. The fluid complexity of an organic creature is not the same as the solid mechanical components used to create artificial intelligence. One runs on a manifold of chemical reactions, while the other runs purely on electric protocols.
My logic doesn't necessitate what you said. As to why we haven't been able to do it yet, here's some perspective: We are limited in the complexity we can achieve in creating the hardware of a computer processor, by the wavelength of light that we use to manufacture the microscopic intricacies of the component, through photochemical processes. Relatively, the gap between RNA nucleotides in a strand of DNA is over a thousand times less than the wavelength of violet light. It's incredibly difficult, if not impossible for us to manufacture things at an atomic scale, as nature has done through sheer chaos.
The only reason to attribute this natural complexity to "god" is when you assume that it was consciously manufactured, for which there is no evidence; as opposed to conscious life being a property arising from the elements that make up reality itself, for which there IS evidence.
@@metalman4393 exactly
Aren't we some sort of a machine?
Cant we "recharge" a dead body to make it alive once again?
The thing is consciousness is more like radio signals than produced by matter
Our brain is more like a radio
@@mr.gamerkabir8142 If anything, the existence of computer technology at the very least proves that virtual reality can exist within material boundaries, generated by physical processes, which is analogous to the human brain in that regard.
@@metalman4393 how do we know our own material reality is true?
Is there not a possibility that we are also not a part of virtual reality?
Now, God bless themselves... 😂😂😂
Thanks vimoh, you're there.
Hya Blesson cha dokyat konitari varvanta ghaala yaar😂😂Bro pass me the joint please
You are talking about the three guys... Par bhai ye fourth wala sabse alag tha... Is vyakti pe ek paper likhna jaa sakta hai 😂
There is a difference between theoretical impossibility and physical world impossibility. In theory we assume frictionless surfaces (as there is not any contradiction in assuming) but we still can't assert that frictionless surfaces are possible in the physical world or in reality. What we can say is that we don't know. (In this example we can actually conclude that they frictionless surfaces are impossible cuz we have enough knowledge about it but in the case of the universe or god we don't)
The same is applicable for absolute vacuum.
I like how the first caller simply said "If there is a contradiction in commentaries, go with your experience". So why am I reading these commentaries in the first place??? And what if I'm convinced by Dvaita philosophy? Will that Advaita guy suddenly say I'm correct?? The first guy is all over the place.
the blesson kid was pure entertainment.
He was desperately trying to win the arguments he had noted down, but ended up skipping/ignoring them once you proved he's wrong!
@Vijendra Mohanty why does your room have two doors!? 🚪!?
Last guy actually got you and you put your excuse “ we have no info”. That’s not a refutation. The cave man also have never seen God but he conceded the possibility of God. So your claim that cave man will say car is impossible as long as he doesn’t see it actually made you concede that he has seen God and hence believed in possibility of God.
Well, that's true.
I'm sure Vimoh wouldn't even stand a chance in a sophisticated exchange, let alone a debate. He's not operating and thinking at metaphysical level.
@@luserguy4732 - you mean at an imaginary level.
@@luserguy4732 Lmao the even the most complex things in this universe can be broken down into simpler terms and if you cannot explain something in simple terms you don't understand it yourself. Vimoh specifically breaks down his questions into a more simple way and there's nothing wrong in that. What's the fault in prying by asking for evidence or information? if you can't provide, theists are deluded. It's as simple as that. Your assumption that vimoh won't survive in a sophisticated exchange even after he is willingly allowing anybody to debate him in a live call is a cowering conception in itself. Just like how you think about the one watching over you. "metaphysical Level" you need to be able to think in terms of ground reality for that to happen first.
Yeah the last guy who said a pair of scissors has consciousness, gotcha.
cosmic being ne paad mari haye haye haye
Can anyone interpret the result of 2 plus 2 in multiple options? I hope every one in the world will stand with only one answer. What is use of discussing a sentence, a chapter or a book which can never give a single interpretation unanimously accepted worldwide. Multiple meanings for any opinion may result devine for some lobby and abuses for others. It becomes childish game to still run behind which has multiple interpretations for several thousand years.