Psychedelic AI minds outside the universe
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
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Vimoh your headache is because of trying to listen to headless people like Christian Prince and trying to make sense of their nonsensical spinning tales, even my head spins hearing them.
I sometimes wonder how you are even able to keep your head straight without losing your temper. Good bye is the right answer. 😀😀
dude like literally he is soo good. I would have rage quit
56:18
Hmm, बिल्कुल सीधी और सरल बात है👍
Missed the live. Interesting livestream!
Damn, why does the interesting stuff only happen when I am unavailable to see the live show?
52:32 he is me! Fr (nervousness)
bhai nervous hone ki jarurat nahi hai vimoh bahut safe admi hai baat karne ke liye
Vimoh bowled Christian Prince down at 29:04
Main nastik hokar bhi, in astiko se accha argument de sakta hu astiko ke taraf se....
Christian Princess is Indoctrinated as Hell. Poor Guy
32:23 such a bully 😂😂
Hey Vimoh, just curious. A lot of folks in your earlier livestreams discussed and attempted to prove Advaita gyan. Are you aware of the historical debate between Buddhist monk Nagarjuna and Shankaracharya on this topic? How did it go if you know? Can you post some references if are already aware of any. Thanks... What you're doing is commendable!
Nagarjunna didn't debate with Shankara.
Both were not evem contemporary.
The works of Nagarjuna were refuted by later once like Gadapada and the Shankara in him eorks attacked the Anatman etc.
The thing eith debates is that I tgink if Nagarjuna borm later to Shankara the again he would have refuted same eith Shankara.
Swami Sarvapriyananda had given some great lectures on this in RUclips.
There is no such historical evidence available ...that nagarjuna debated with any Hindu scholar...
Take me, take me 😂😂
1:20:30 he says number and function works without a material system. But i think in case of humans who know maths the thing that is computing the function is our brain. In ai it is gpu, cpu and other parts. We do need a material system to compute as far i can see. Right?
In the end, it is all depending on the material mind.
The point I was trying to make is that anyone working in the field of AI would know that the current models that are showing some properties of human-like intelligence, like Chat GPT for example, are just points (local minima) in the abstract space of parameters of some mathematical function. In that sense, intelligence exists independent of the material world. The common argument among atheists like Dawkins, Hitchens, Shermer, etc is that intelligence arises out of matter. They use a term called "emergence" to denote this process.
My point of view, which is derived from Chomsky's old lecture on "Matter and Mind" (in a different context, available on RUclips) is that intelligence may not require matter to exist. Matter can "generate" realities which intelligence can process and interpret. The psychedelic experience I was alluding to is this "generated alternate reality" where the same experiencer's intelligence perceives a different reality and in that sense is independent of material reality . This is also somewhat of Advaitin's or probably the Samkhya point of view of Prakriti and Purusha. Hardcore atheists who are pure materialists should look at this interesting point of view. It does not contradict atheism per se, just adds more nuance to the topic.
@@abhinavt789 i think the intelligence you are defining pretty much sounds like in the zone of conciousness.
I have some question in my mind if u can answer them🧐
1. Could the use of nuclear weapons ever be justified?
2. Is it ethical that animals suffer so humans can have safe medical and beauty products?
3. Would you risk your life to save another person?
4. What would be the most ethical way to give away $5 million?
5. Should murderers face the death penalty or should we try to rehabilitate them through the justice system?
6. Should we edit our children’s genomes if the technology becomes available?
7. If you could cheat on your wife and she’d never find out, would you do it?
8. Should we mandate vaccines to protect the vulnerable in society or should vaccination be a personal choice?
9. Are there any times or circumstances where lying, stealing, adultery, or murder is justified?
10. Is a victimless crime a crime?
11. If you found a brand new iPhone in the street, would you hand it to the police or keep it?
12. Should children be circumcised at birth when they can’t provide consent one way or the other?
13. If someone robbed a bank but donated the money to charity, should they be arrested?
14. Should we geoengineer the planet to mitigate climate change?
15. Should we actively limit the population of the planet?
Answer them next Saturday
1. Yes
2. No
3. Depends on the person
4. Feed hungry people
5. Former
6. No idea about it
7. No
8. Former
9. Yes
10. Crime means there is a victim I think 😅 plz give some examples..
11. Police
12. No
13. Definitely
14. No
15. We should try to
These are some of the most basic ass questions you don't even need avg iq to answer all this😅
@@sachinchandra.sachin some answers I don't agree with
@@atheistfreethinker no problem.. we can debate if you want 😅
@@sachinchandra.sachin regarding the first question about nuclear warfare, have you read/watched injustice gods among us ? If you have i am pretty sure you understand both superman and batman's ideology where superman is a utilitarianist and batman is deontologist, i will rely on the side of batman as a deontologist which means we should act based on the morality that we think is right, and i think everyone have a right to life and no matter what the consequences are i don't have the right to take lives of other people using nuclear weapons, i can try to prevent the worst case scenario but i don't have right to kil someone.
Sr crop circle ke baare me bataiye sir .....kuchh log bolte hain alien h ....kya sach h?
very interesting stream
1:46:33 and 1:48:41 true
Abc
@vimoh if someone wants to change his surname or name cause its promotes caste system or named after any gods , is he wrong ?
No
I am a Christian and i don't find any jaw dropping thing in the bible. Instead i felt like its a Fossil of middle eastern philosopher.
Chill maaro. Bolo.
1:06:11
👏👏👏👏
Hey please someone tell me Vimoh's e mail address.
Tell this biotechnology theist, is there evidence that multicellular organism develop from a single cell?
I don’t think there is an evidence for this. In fact, this contradicts with evolution; it’s a fallacy of evolution. Not sure why you are bringing this up against a theist.
Yeah it's called mitosis. Things like algae are examples of it.
@@kevalshankershreyas9672 Are you sure? 👀👀
@@ChristianPrinceTELUGU1 it was demonstrated in lab by a team led by dr William Redcliffe where he evolved single cell into multicellular.
There's enormous amount of evidences of it.
Yep, the zygote is a single cell which developed into you.
Ai is not a bunch of numbers- its 1s and 0s. 1 meaning it gets an electrical charge, 0 being no charge. Its like quickly switching it on and off creating patterns which we have coded into a language. Its easy to just say its a bunch of numbers but as soon as you delve a bit deeper the analogy fails.
Its is exactly bunch of numbers (wights and bias) , we need to add the bias to the weights and multiply the input to this bunch of numbers to get an output.
What you are describing is digital computation and the 1 don't mean charge , it means voltage ( since we are using FETs).
The on / off pattern is programmed but it is done to do basic math like addition and substation and other operations like fetching data from a memory location.
So basically computer is nothing but a fancy calculator
The weights I mentioned above are coefficients of a higher order function , thats why he said it can exist as an abstract concept. But it to manifest we need some martial be it a GPU / CPU or even pen and paper.
And btw digital is not the the only way to run an AI , we can do it with analog system where numbers can be treated as continuousness values and after the matrix vector multiplications we can convert back it into digital for further applications.
15:09 - Not being able to answer questions means nothing.
Not being able to answer questions doesn't prove God.
What a joker!
58:24
जो 2-2 महीने के बच्चों की मौत हो रही है, उनके evil और good का test कैसे करेंगे God जी
Sir, I waited for you, for this stream as Ghalib I came And Just a sec You kicked? Zindagi daau pe thi 😢😢😢 ab live kab avoge..?? Hazar baar bola sir Black magic ke baare bola.... Pgl hua abb sirrr ❤😢😢
You came too late. Stream starts at 8 pm.
@@vimohlivesir makasm ab kab aana hai 8 bjy mai aaaya tha exam b tha upr see 😢😢 Bht muskil sa sawal hai kab avoge sir g ❤
@@KumarPallav01 maksm yaar tko pta b nhi hai maine khud dekha hai , exam b brdab hogaab 🙁😅
@@DaCritic.How did your exam go?
Black magic is not real. If you think it’s real, ask it to help with your exams. 😂
RATIONAL BELIVER होने के लिए कोई माई बाप का ज्ञान , बचपन मे मान लेना विश्वास करना नही होता.. RATIONAL BELIVER ये समझता मानता विश्वास बल्के उसके आगे यकीन याने मुस्लिम वाला 🫡 यकीन ईमान ये है की बिंग बॅग फैलाव से पहले अगर एक CREATOR अल्लाह ईश्वर गौड नही है तो ये AFTER बिंग बॅग वाला ब्रह्मांड भी ईश्वर नही है..तो.. फिर कोई तो ईस ब्रह्मांड का पालनहार निर्माणकर्ता ब्रह्मांड को TIME SPACE MATTER से चलाने वाला है ओर वो एक अल्लाह ईश्वर गौड ही है... आ गया विश्वास ईमान.. तो तुम RATIONAL BELIVER हो गये..कुरान मे अल्लाह CREATOR कहता है सारे ब्रह्मांड मे जो कुछ है मतलब TIME MATTER SPACE और उनमे बने जीवधारी सब उसीका है उसी की CREATIONS है ...😎
Regarding this AI guy......if you cannot explain or put your point, you should not even take the side you are on same as a teacher not knowledgeable enough to explain the topic should leave the topic and stop believing and propagating it...... first teach yourself then tell others..... simple uninformed or misinformed guy.....m not bullying just advising
I'm that AI guy and yeah when I listen to my own voice I think I could have done better. I was working out and suddenly this live stream popped up in my feed. I hadn't heard of the channel before, but the topic seemed interesting and I just jumped in and I have never spoken on this topic before, only thought about it. Also the debate format, with interjections among the speakers creates confusion for the audience.
The point I was trying to make is that anyone working in the field of AI would know that the current models that are showing some properties of human-like intelligence, like Chat GPT for example, are just points (local minima) in the abstract space of parameters of some mathematical function. In that sense, intelligence exists independent of the material world. The common argument among atheists like Dawkins, Hitchens, Shermer, etc is that intelligence arises out of matter. They use a term called "emergence" to denote this process.
My point of view, which is derived from Chomsky's old lecture on "Matter and Mind" (in a different context, available on RUclips) is that intelligence may not require matter to exist. Matter can "generate" realities which intelligence can process and interpret. The psychedelic experience I was alluding to is this "generated alternate reality" where the same experiencer's intelligence perceives a different reality and in that sense is independent of material reality . This is also somewhat of Advaitin's point of view. Hardcore atheists who are pure materialists should look at this interesting point of view. It does not contradict atheism per se, just adds more nuance to the topic.
@@abhinavt789
Psychedelic experience is nothing but hallucinations and unintentional or unconscious imagination (imagination is there without knowledge of its presence)
Our mind cannot make reality but can perceive reality differently due to any reason.
Intelligence can only and only arise out of matter.....this statement still stands because even the HUMAN like intelligence of AI is due to initial programming which was stored onto servers..... digitally.
And anything digital doesn't mean it has no matter.....it is stored magnetically or electrically over devices..... magnetic and electric behaviour is all only because of electrons and their orientation and pairing
So no intelligence arises out of matter still exists
Intelligence cannot persist in vacuum.....our brain any brain contains intelligence of various degree
And that intelligence has given birth to another intelligence
Why can't we cherish just the fact that we made ourselves learn things and also made a vast complex program which can learn things itself.....
Chat gpt is not in any abstract space but servers around globe......it itself is enough to debunk the thought of AI is independent of material world
Gasping around in areas of unknown is worst idea..... because the things we humans have known and made can be understood and be of foremost importance.....as if you had known how AI came into existence your doubt of possibility of AI without matter had never even came up
I repeat.....our mind can learn things and perceive things according to the situation but cannot change reality..... psychedelic experience is just hallucinations and unintentional or unconscious imagination
Hallucination can be achieved by some substance and in diseased state.....
@@abhinavt789
Psychedelic experience is nothing but hallucinations and unintentional or unconscious imagination (imagination is there without knowledge of its presence)
Our mind cannot make reality but can perceive reality differently due to any reason.
Intelligence can only and only arise out of matter.....this statement still stands because even the HUMAN like intelligence of AI is due to initial programming which was stored onto servers..... digitally.
And anything digital doesn't mean it has no matter.....it is stored magnetically or electrically over devices..... magnetic and electric behaviour is all only because of electrons and their orientation and pairing
So no intelligence arises out of matter still exists
Intelligence cannot persist in vacuum.....our brain any brain contains intelligence of various degree
And that intelligence has given birth to another intelligence
Why can't we cherish just the fact that we made ourselves learn things and also made a vast complex program which can learn things itself.....
Chat gpt is not in any abstract space but servers around globe......it itself is enough to debunk the thought of AI is independent of material world
Gasping around in areas of unknown is worst idea..... because the things we humans have known and made can be understood and be of foremost importance.....as if you had known how AI came into existence your doubt of possibility of AI without matter had never even came up
I repeat.....our mind can learn things and perceive things according to the situation but cannot change reality..... psychedelic experience is just hallucinations and unintentional or unconscious imagination
Hallucination can be achieved by some substance and in diseased state.....
@abhinavt789
Psychedelic experience is nothing but hallucinations and unintentional or unconscious imagination (imagination is there without knowledge of its presence)
Our mind cannot make reality but can perceive reality differently due to any reason.
Intelligence can only and only arise out of matter.....this statement still stands because even the HUMAN like intelligence of AI is due to initial programming which was stored onto servers..... digitally.
And anything digital doesn't mean it has no matter.....it is stored magnetically or electrically over devices..... magnetic and electric behaviour is all only because of electrons and their orientation and pairing
So no intelligence arises out of matter still exists
Intelligence cannot persist in vacuum.....our brain any brain contains intelligence of various degree
And that intelligence has given birth to another intelligence
Why can't we cherish just the fact that we made ourselves learn things and also made a vast complex program which can learn things itself.....
Chat gpt is not in any abstract space but servers around globe......it itself is enough to debunk the thought of AI is independent of material world
Gasping around in areas of unknown is worst idea..... because the things we humans have known and made can be understood and be of foremost importance.....as if you had known how AI came into existence your doubt of possibility of AI without matter had never even came up
I repeat.....our mind can learn things and perceive things according to the situation but cannot change reality..... psychedelic experience is just hallucinations and unintentional or unconscious imagination
Hallucination can be achieved by some substance and in diseased state.....
@abhinavt789
Psychedelic experience is nothing but hallucinations and unintentional or unconscious imagination (imagination is there without knowledge of its presence)
Our mind cannot make reality but can perceive reality differently due to any reason.
Intelligence can only and only arise out of matter.....this statement still stands because even the HUMAN like intelligence of AI is due to initial programming which was stored onto servers..... digitally.
And anything digital doesn't mean it has no matter.....it is stored magnetically or electrically over devices..... magnetic and electric behaviour is all only because of electrons and their orientation and pairing
So no intelligence arises out of matter still exists
Intelligence cannot persist in vacuum.....our brain any brain contains intelligence of various degree
And that intelligence has given birth to another intelligence
Why can't we cherish just the fact that we made ourselves learn things and also made a vast complex program which can learn things itself.....
Chat gpt is not in any abstract space but servers around globe......it itself is enough to debunk the thought of AI is independent of material world
Gasping around in areas of unknown is worst idea..... because the things we humans have known and made can be understood and be of foremost importance.....as if you had known how AI came into existence your doubt of possibility of AI without matter had never even came up
I repeat.....our mind can learn things and perceive things according to the situation but cannot change reality..... psychedelic experience is just hallucinations and unintentional or unconscious imagination
Hallucination can be achieved by some substance and in diseased state.....