Spider-Man: The Greatest Responsibility - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Melodrama about genetics and virtual reality? This can only be the clone saga!
Originally uploaded October 25th, 2010.
RUMINATIONS: Pop culture’s constant misunderstanding of technology never ceases to amaze me and in the 90s there was no greater misunderstood technology than virtual reality. It’s easy to see WHY this kind of thing was so easily confused by people - the internet was only starting to come into greater prominence, 3-D computer graphics and models were showing off the potential for special effects or just general animation purposes, and technology that allowed you to be completely immersed in video games, to the point where you were DIRECTLY interacting with them without a controller as if you were actually inside of the game seemed to be coming soon.
However, virtual reality never really took off beyond the initial hype. The technology just wasn’t there. Hell, it still isn’t really there. But when you use a word like “reality,” people are quick to assume it’s, well, real, forgetting that first word and thinking that virtual reality wasn’t a term used to describe immersion, but rather some sort of parallel universe that could be merged with physical reality. The last shining star of virtual reality was the first Matrix movie, which of course was still head-scratching with the idea of virtual injury somehow causing real ones (what physically CAUSES a blood vessel to pop when you THINK you’re getting hit? I can see stress-induced heart attacks or seizures, but injuries like that?), but at least seemed to recognize that a simulation was JUST a simulation, that virtual reality and the real world are two different things and they cannot be “merged” together like so much bad science fiction seemed to think it could.
Because I’ve become more preoccupied by the utter uselessness of Judas Traveler, I haven’t yet revisited the Dr. Octopus established in the Clone Saga, but rest assured it will happen.
So many comics and cartoons did this physical cyberspace thing in the 90's.
Not going to lie... it's pretty amusing.
Freakazoid! did it comically.
ReBoot flashbacks, ugh!
There was a whole line of Batman toys based on that concept
Reboot, Cyberchase, Digimon (somewhat), Code Lyoko, you name it.
@@BigAmericanGirlFan oh man, cyberchase, the second piece of media to feature Gilbert Gottfried as an animated bird, good times
as far as I can tell, Spidey has multiple mixes of his web fluid, and each mixture does different stuff. His favorite is the strong, sticky stuff that lets him swing around New York, but he has waterproof webbing, electricity resistant webbing, and webbing that can me used to make solid object.
+David Spring thank you
Jordan Cecil sure thing
***** SCIENCE!!!
Only a SCIENCE MAJOR could do that. Seriously, I wish people would remember that superheroes with nerdy alter egos were actually smart.
Tareltonlives
I'm nerdy and smart enough to know that you can't make solid objects with webbing especially complex ones in seconds without a base
This Dr. Octopus' technology is obviously the root of the Holodeck technology from Star Trek.
I think you mean the other way around
doesn't this feel more like a Mysterio thing though?
You know if you think about it, the whole clone saga feels like an episode of Maury.
Maury: YOU ARE THE FATHER!!!
*Jackal jumps up and down* ha! Take that you bitch!
*Kane grumbles passively aggressively*
*Spiderman tries to attack Jackal, but Ben holds him back* he's not worth it, man!
Still a better plot line than the Marvel canon.
19:27 Oh god I'm reminded of that story where MJ got cancer from peter's radioactive semen. That isn't a fond memory at all.
Reign?
Man did I hate that comic! A complete ripoff of one of the greatest Batman comics of all time!!!
Naruto85RasenShuriken If you mean dark knight returns no question asked it was a whole sale rip off. At the same time the dark knight return was a in and of it self and a story that has been told countless times throughout the history of written fiction. Frank miller did not invent the idea of a story about a hero getting back into the game after he retired that's old and done all we're looking for is a decent take on it. Reign was a good take on it that is all it's required to be.
Nina Michel If you like REIGN, that's all good! I just didn't care for it as the dialogue was cringe inducing for me and TDKR is in my Top 5 Comics of all-time (mainly because it was a intricate and complex character study of who Batman was; and it brought him out of the campy Adam West version and back to his dark roots) and I would've been okay with REIGN being a rip-off if it was at least well-written. But for me it was just poorly written, and felt out of Spidey's character to me in a similar manner to how Linkara hates SUPERMAN AT EARTH'S END. But that's just my opinion...
Naruto85RasenShuriken
I never said i liked it i said it did what it set out to do tell a story thats been told a thousand times in a new way. I haven't actually read it i just thought you where disliking it solely for copying DKR and i had to step in point out that DKR is far from the first to do that story.
19:39 In Spiderman:Reign Peter accidentally killed MJ with his ''body fluids''.
Eww...
Cap Mar-Vell92 Spit? Peter spit on MJ? He's a domestic abuser? It was an accident? Why is his spit lethal?
@@islamroks11 No. It's MUCH grosser than that.
Wait, this 90s comic is where they got the idea from?
The 90s was a weird time. Glad I can't remember any of it.
Then you missed out. That decade brought us some of the best in animation and sci-fi and music. Technology soared. We weren't at war with anyone. Fashion was loose and comfortable. We were still allowed to joke about our presidents. Women and black people were no longer ignored. If you look at just the comics, of course it'll seem terrible. Oh, and it was the decade that brought us Jack Skellington. Aren't you grateful for that, at least?
Kimi FW Yeah, definitely.
@@kimifw58 "We weren't at war with anyone..." Excuse me?
Gulf war (Operation Desert Shield), Somalia, Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo. What did they teach people like you in school besides the "Pledge of Allegiance" and "'Murrikah Numbah Won - Bestest Country"? Did you pay attention to anything that happened in the real world at all?
What the hell? Seriously, what the hell? How can anybody be this ignorant?
2020 makes me wish i was back...
@@kimifw58 I’m fine with that at least I’m ALIVE
Linkara mentioned how the story was ripping off the iconography of that time Spider-Man pushed off the rubble, but it doesn't just do that, but also rips off a lot of the set-up. Relative of Peter is dying due to radiation caused in part by Peter, get serum that can help cure it, serum is stolen by doctor octopus, spidey tracks serum to underwater base, defeats doc ock but is pinned by rubble, pushes rubble off in feat of strength.
"Rush these clowns! Take em down!"
Run em down/Underground/To a dive bar in a West End town
Yeah, everyone is always being exposed to microscopic levels of radiation, radiation isn't some super poison that a little bit can kill, you need a large amount to cause radiation poisoning. Also the whole contaminating peter on the genetic level is stupid and makes no sense, there are radioactive elements in our bodies already like potassium which our bodies need to function, it's why we can use radiometric dating to figure out how old bones are. It's really just forced drama because the writers think spider-man being dangerous to his love interests is a shtick that never gets old.
Also isn't sunlight technically radiation?
Does the word "microscopic " even apply to radiation? It's either able to be seen at the macro level (like visible light) or it's invisible no matter how much you magnify it.
Something something current 5g panic...
The henchmen says "Rush these clowns! Take them down!" and now all I'm thinking is "You magnificent bastard, I read your BOOK!"
So is Lady Octopus' costume supposed to be a homage to the Doc Ock armour redesign in Spider-Man TAS?
What's funny is Kaine and Ock face off again in the "Sibling Rivalry" crossover of Superior Spider-Man Team-Up and Scarlet Spider. And even funnier is Kaine is a member of the latest New Warriors
I would question this if this wasn't from comic books
Is Kaine still a clone?
If you were to link your mind to the internet, it would probably just be like controlling a web browser with your brain since you would need a ton of software in between to route and translate things anyways...you may as well just control a web browser with some kind of cybernetic augmentation that gives you a HUD or something....
Lady Ock is kinda hot.
Kinda? She totally is.
There's a 2099 version of her. Lady Octopus was her name, I think. She was even a boss in Shattered Dimensions.
She voiced by Tara Strong and she nail it
@@jakew6162 Like a boss.
I've seen enough to know where this is going.
Cyberspace is where three twelve year olds and iago use math to save "weird creatures" from a green Christopher Lloyd. Ahh, childhood memories.
Hey, I remember that show! It's still on TV, airing new episodes.
@@mitchfletcher2386 Seriously? Wow, I haven't thought about that show in years! But wait, the show's name is Cyberchase, not Cyberspace.
8:45 FINALLY!! I was wondering which episode that moment was from. I thought that since THIS was about Spider-Man, it would probably be in this one.
Yeah.
The Jackal was apparently a research assistant to the Herbert Edgar Wyndham aka the High Evolutionary (who also appeared as an antagonist in Spider-Man Unlimited cartoon) so I imagine he learned most of his knowledge from the High Evolutionary who was inspired by the works of geneticist Nathaniel Essex aka X-Men villain Mr Sinister (thus providing potentially more supporting evidence for Linkara's theory that a lot of bad marvel storylines and/or events can be traced back to the X-Men)! Also, the Seward Trainer was also associated with the High Evolutionary (Trainer, Warren, High Evolutionary, & Mr. Sinister all are geneticists, so it makes sense that they'd be either associated or at least know of each other's research) so there is another prominent geneticist connected to the High Evolutionary for you!
Every time you make a One More Day reference I can't help but chuckle.
A guy who used to run Shadowrun games in my old crew had a really good way to make damage from VR bleed over into the real world. The way he did it, when you attacked someone in cyberspace, you weren't actually attacking them directly. Instead, you were attempting to hack their VR device - which would usually be plugged into their cybernetic implants - and overload it so that it would send damaging electrical shocks directly into their body.
I always liked that more than the whole "the mind makes it real" thing.
19:21 Good Lord, they pulled the radioactive sperm trick years before Spider-Man: Reign!
To be fair, when William Gibson first invented concept of cyberspace/matrix, it was basically just a VR interface for browsing internet (which kinda exists nowadays, like JanusVR browser).
Now this - this is... I don't know what this is even supposed to be.
Other than the question of how exactly one would achieve such a level of interface feedback, one must ask why you would WANT to make browsing the internet a constant death hazard.
Microscopic amounts of radiation will not kill you. If that weren't the case, we would all DIE. Besides, Peter didn't die of radiation spider. I expect consistency, dang it!
it is funny coming back to stories with lady doc ock when the current ASM has actually brought here back as part of a sinister six team of woman villains which is kinda neat IMO
Actually, I for one really *was* waiting for a VR Troopers joke, but figured the Digimon one covered the same territory.
I actually really liked THE GREATEST RESPONSIBILITY as I agree with Linkara that while the new Dr. Octopus is bland (though to be fair, she's not annoying like the Jackal and Spidercide, or boring like Judas Traveller), the computer science is absurdly ridiculous, and the artwork isn't that great (though I thought it was actually decent in the last issue), the areas where this comic succeeds are done extraordinarily well! The scenes with Peter and MJ were just beautiful (love the scene where they feel the baby kick for the first time), and the amount of emphasis given to Peter's fears about becoming a neglectful father serve as respectful catalyst for Ben Reilly to take over as they are faithful to the character's theme of responsibility!
Overall, THE GREATEST RESPONSIBILITY is a comic whose flaws I can easily overlook as the good areas are phenomenally well-handled!
I agree greatest responsibility in my opinion wasn't really that bad and in my opinion was a great send off for Peter and Mary Jane to have there baby and live happily ever after that's why I love this couple so much and I miss them so much
Tevya Smolka I miss them to, and ONE MORE DAY is a piece of crap that even the Joker wouldn't find funny. RENEW YOUR VOWS was pretty good though, as while it's an alternate universe, it's exactly what I'd love to see in mainstream Spider-Man comics. Show of hands- Who wants a Spider-Man whose not only married, but also has a daughter who has inherited his Spider-powers!
Naruto85RasenShuriken i am down for that idea in fact the spider-girl series with mayday parker is the daughter of peter parker and mary jane and that series in my opinion was awesome and it hurts me that we aren't going to get the parker family in this all new universe but miles morales gets his mother to come back to life but we don't get the parker family back from renew your vows nope we get the stupid regent why
Tevya Smolka Why did Marvel have to lie about renewing the marriage?! Why does Marvel hate married couples?! They claim they're too hard to write but I would argue that their just being lazy! That being said, I haven't read SPIDER-GIRL, but I recently bought a copy of her first appearances.
Naruto85RasenShuriken good question that's what i wonder myself and i agree it's so ridicolous that marvel just won't pull the trigger and give us back the marriage because renew your vows sold gangbusters i don't get it are they afraid of money are they high i don't get it people want the marriage back with peter parker and mary jane back alive and kicking with there daughter back why can't we have it back i don't get it. that being said i am hoping you enjoy her series when you get the chance because her series in my opinion was awesome and i highly recommend you reading it when you get the chance :)
8:24 - 8:47
Heh, never gets old. Always fun to see Lewis take a swipe at OMD.
I hope it’s not wrong to have a crush on Lady Octopus. Because she’s kinda cute
Trust me, it's not wrong.
Regarding MJ’s maternity wear: Linkara, if there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that people will spend money on ANYTHING-especially where vanity is concerned.
I think the lifting thing could have worked, if Peter had failed and Ben had to rescue him. It would be a great way to establish that Peter’s off his game, and Ben is in a better position to take on the Spider Mantle.
Heh, heh. “Spider Mantle.” I didn’t mean to make that pun, but i’m Proud of it.
Spider-Man is below average fighter,
But he is a brilliant scientist!
How's the fake moon thing coming along?
Only a science major could come to such conclusions!
One thing I really like from the current Spider-Man cartoon is that their take on Miles Warren (called Raymond for some reason) is that he’s an actual scientist. Also, Gwen Stacy is his niece, thankfully avoiding any squicky elements.
Probably to avoid confusion since there's Miles Morales on the show too.
Yeah they bacically took miles Warren and named him after his brother
Actually I imagine "cyberspace" would look like a lot of 1's and 0's.
+Matthew Walton It wouldn't even look like 1's and 0's, considering computer don't actually use numbers for that, but a positive signal and the negative lack of one. It would more likely be glowing dots on a black surface, arranged in an orderly grid.
Bianca Mayer If you really want to get technical it would probably look like electrical impulses.
Matthew Walton
It doesn't necessarily have to be electrical impulses, especially considering how old the comic is. CDs would be one example of physical data storage, HDDs use magnetism...
Bianca Mayer True, but I was talking "cyberspace" as in what people in the 90's thought the internet would turn out to be.
Matthew Walton
I got that, I was just speculating along ;)
Oh yeah I forgot Doc Ock died. well at least he's perfectly fine n... oh, right
Am I the only one disappointed on how the actual comic never had the new doc ock having a crush on scarlet spider, it could be an interesting dynamic, I don't know how this crush on ol' Reilly would happen but it would have been nice to see it . Personally, I've always liked the idea of a villain falling in love with the hero pretty amazing, just showing how deep of a connection the villain and hero have, weather or not the hero loves them back is a topic for a different day but it just goes to show how it could be used in storytelling and how it could add drama for the plot, how the other heroes would act, how the other villains would, how it effects decisions, its just so interesting to me, and we have seen it comics before, in fact, we have seen it as something as goofy as power rangers at least 2 times, time force and super megaforce, and yet its never shown in here, why is that ?
Take a shot every time the words virtual reality is used in this 5 parter
So was Dr.Octopus in the 2nd Toby McGuire Spiderman movie written around saving his wife because of this Dr.Octopus whining about how they rated 2nd in HIS life?
With that title, it sounds like a PSA comic
There’s only one time I can think of where the “die in the game = dying in real life” was explained in a believeable way. In the SG-1 episode “Avatar,” Teal’c is in danger of eventual death because of dying in a video game his brain is stuck in, keyword “eventual.” It’s explained that the stress of fighting and dying again and again and again will eventually push him into cardiac arrest. That at least makes sense.
What annoys me about the buried under rubble scene is that we see Scarlet Spider crouched right next to Peter. Why didn’t Ben help Peter? Wouldn’t that be such a better scene, not only showing that their friends and brothers now but subtly suggesting Peter is no longer able to keep doing this and that Ben is has taken his place as the new hero.
Oh my gosh, the ridiculous ideas we had when cyberspace and VR were still new . . . The VR bomb thing was kind of believable, if you assumed the dinosaurs were hard-light holograms or created by some kind of molecular manipulation, but Doc Ock’s constant rantings of an “interface between virtual reality and the real world” just makes me think she has a deficient vocabulary.
I suddenly have the urge to hum the theme to Cyberchase...
Buzz! Delete! You despicable duncebuckets!!
All I can say is that one more day better be retconned soon. Mj and Peter for life, yo.
i wish this the sendoff we got for the clone saga
Can't help but wonder. If the person behind this idea went to dc? Wasn't auperman single and going out with wonder woman? When new 52 started. But also had the married pre new 52 version as well. They didn't use clones. But basically did the sane thing. Even scrapping it after awhile.
I didn't realize their was a female doc oc before into the spiderverse
The radiation thing might have made sense, except for one problem. If the radiation was enough to put Mary Jane in critical condition, it would have done the same to Peter. But granted I'm no expert in radiation, so perhaps there's a reason it doesn't affect him.
The "Lifting heavy things off of himself" thing Spider-Man does? I didn't even realize it was a cliche. They did that in Homecoming. Guess it's just another cliche to add to the list!
It's okay when he does it in the movies and whatnot, but much like "Saving Gwen Stacy" or similar things on the bridge, it's been done so many times in the comics that it's a massive cliché.
I'm not sure if this is better or worse than the story were MJ died of cancer due to Peter's radiative... You know...
if you mean spider-man reign which was a what if story to begin with
im surprise there's no scooby doo cyber space ref clips
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it's funny, because now the clone saga is the origin of one of the bests superheroes of the XXI century: the new scarlet spider-kaine, who i think it's more interesting than ben and when the time of superior spiderman was on i was more interested to the new comic and i read it, as result, Kaine is my favorite superhero, even i liked his personality more than peter parker's, i don't know, i just love it. an unique, original, new and fresh history that everybody should read.
"Of course, don't know anything about science"
24:15 so it's the plot of vr troopers.
WE ARE! VR!
Doc Ock's logo kinda looks kinda like Hydra's symbol. Or is that already pointed out and i am too slow?
24:57 Ah, so that's why they put that scene in Homecoming!
The way that usually makes sense to me is that whatever device that allows you to interface with the computer can't reliably prevent signals of a harmful level of power or more subtle methods of attacking the brain from reaching it, thus your brain is assaulted by ten thousand amps of current or perhaps a precise series of attacks on key parts of the brain.
I love this show. Not only is Linkara hilarious, but it helpes me learn about something I would never have checked out.
I get the feeling this female Dr. Octopus inspired the 2099 Dr. Octopus in the Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions game, anyone else get that vibe?
Same here.
Hey Linkara, it's generally less to do with the brain popping blood vessels as cardiac arrest, it's where the urban legend of "If you dream you're falling and hit the ground, you'll die." When the brain believes that the images perceived are real it will set the heart on red alert making it pump like a maniac. This is because when your body is damaged it rushes blood to the injury as a method of temporary healing (i.e. blood clotting to seal a cut.) so that the bodies natural processes can take over to heal itself without risk of malformation. In more rigid structures (such as bones) the coagulated blood doesn't provide a strong enough hold and thus an outside implement is needed to hold it in place.
But not if your sassy
Dan Rule ?
you know
Dan Rule No... I don't...
23:35
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I always thought that in a weird way, the whole if you're mind truly believes you're dead then your body will follow suit. Not dramatically like you'll start bleeding or anything but it'll just cease function. Also in a way like in hysteria or in some mental cases where you feel things that aren't actually there, like pain in your leg when there's nothing wrong with you.
21:44 wasn't Napoleon like, really good with artillery or something though?
Hmm, maybe the movement of organic matter directly into VR they're discussing is intended to be a form of teleportation, or a partially completed teleportation technology? Either that or they just watched Tron waaaay too many times.
I have the first part of this series and never knew how it ended thanks linkara
*ROFL* "The end of you puny humans, Giant-Sized Scarlet Spider is you God now! >8D"
Y'know, in retrospect, what are your thoughts on Kaine coming back and redeeming himself as the second Scarlet Spider?
I love Kaine
+simbasorariku3 i liked him as scarlet spider
Jack Drewitt Me two
simbasorariku3 wish they didnt kill him in spiderverse, hes awesome (and not in the shitty 90s way, in a good way)
Geez, if he lifts huge piles of rubble he gets trapped under that often...it's like how Dante can just walk off getting stabbed in the chest. As a symbol, it's stupid through repetition, but as something he can just do, it's kinda awesome.
The octopus symbol lools remarkably similar to the Hydra logo.
This is the first episode of At4W that I saw. I know nobody cares, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
No need for disrespect or anything, but your kinda taking the fun out of the concept of a digital universe. I might be saying this cause I'm a fan of Digimon and Tron but what's fiction is fiction. It's kind of a buzzkill when one state facts to something that's intended to be harmless fun. But given your line of work I guess you have every reason to be factual.
So instead of making a texture and mesh for the VR world, destroying a physical object and "uploading" it is the better choice... Yup sounds logical.
I'm a biology major. While not an expert on spiders (too bad I'm sure it would've gotten me a job with Black Web) , but in invertebrate zoology I learned that not all webbing is the same and if my memory doesn't fail me, some spiders can produce up to seven different types. I can't tell you if any of them are waterproof or the like, but I like the idea that Spider-man took that inspiration from nature....how he's changing the silks on the fly without physically removing the web cartridges, I'm not sure of that either. If he's using the organic ones, I can maybe give it a pass.
Dr. Penguinstein indeed
But kaine is back now.....and his run as scarlet spider was my favorite comic.
they didn't subcontract for the logos - they got it from an old HYDRA base, after SHIELD raided it - hence the holes in the sea life.
1:07 I had that comic
I do find the weird understanding of ‘cyberspace’ and internet from the 90’s hilarious 😂 and now we have ACTUAL virtual reality 😜
maybe i missed it, but how long was Doc Ock a woman?
i wonder how long it's going to take people to forget about female thor...
About 2 years.
One and a half years. They used her for Cyberwar, and then for the whole "Third Rose" story arc, and then for the arc where they resurrected Otto Octavius.
Question: In the first half of the Clone Saga, Kaine had premonitions of Mary Jane getting killed by some unknown person. Kaine killed the original Doctor Octopus and the Grim Hunter thinking that they might be the man responsible (Doc Ock learned of Spidey's secret identity while curing him of a virus and the Grim Hunter tracked Peter's scent right to his apartment). Was Peter himself the guy Kaine envisioned? Time Bomb seems like it perfectly wrapped up the "Dead Mary Jane" premonitions, since Peter would have killed her if not for Ben and the New Warriors slowing him down long enough for him to snap out of it. Or was Kaine foreseeing Norman Osborn, the man ultimately responsible for the ENTIRE Clone Saga mess?
I understand all the hate the clone saga, I guess. I honestly do but I've always liked it, it's my go to guilty pleasures spider-man stories. it brought us Ben Reilly who I love Ben Reilly A lot. Like when I started reading Spider-man as a kid Ben was spider-man, also love his scarlet spider and spider-man costumes.
10 years of the greatest responsibility
Hmm the only clone story I ever read was spider man revelations. Seriously check it out, it is a four part miniseries.
The Lost Years is also definitely worth reading! It's Quite easily my favorite CLONE SAGA story and is deserving of more attention, as it delves deep into the past and rivalry between Ben Reilly and Kaine!
I watched an old Spider-Man cartoon and Spidey said his webbing is rubber based.
10:50 Okay, I'm starting to wonder if you'll ever review a Digimon comic. You've clearly seen at least some of the show.
He does. Check it out when you get the chance, Past-me. :)
24:45
Wait
WAIT
>Checks upload date of video
>Glances frantically at Spider-Man: Homecoming released in 2017
THEY DID THE SAME DING-DONG-DANG THING *AGAIN*
_GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH_
In fairness, an adaptation is different than a future comic just doing it all over again.
Makes sense
I suppose what may have happened is the writers of Homecoming were aware of the fame of the original cover (Amazing Spider-Man #33 was it?) and genuinely wanted to homage it while being unaware of any other attempts by Marvel to homage/reference it in their later comics
Same inspiration, different people perhaps
@@Mukyoukai I mean its one of the most iconic moments of Spider-Man and the most referenced and reused shot in Spider-Man. I loved the homage to the scene, and was surprised they hadn't done it before.
won't lie kinda surprised there wasnt a vr troopers joke here
1:06 Wait, how does that even work since they say later he isn’t the clone?
As much as I've watched these reviews, I forget that the "new" Doctor Octopus was ever even really a thing. All I think of is that whenever I see her virtual reality nonsense is wish that I was watching "Scooby Doo and the Cyber Chase" or even the first Matrix film. At least those are fun ways to explore the concept. Here, it feels like the creative team did it to try to stay relevant with the 90s when in hindsight it's one of the most dated things about the Clone Saga as a whole.
Olivia, she ain't
I never grasped how much build up Peter and MJ's daughter had. And then they just... forgot about her.
Worse. Aunt May had a beautiful death scene in ASM #400 (before the Clone Saga went off the rails) written by J.M. DeMatteis. In the last issue of the Clone Saga, where they bring back Norman Osborn and say he was behind everything, there is a nursemaid hired by Osborn who poisons Mary Jane's food, causing her to go into early labor. Then she goes to the hospital and is there at the scene of birth. They show her after the birth walking off from the hospital with a baby sized package and then then delivering the package to Norman Osborn and the doctor tell Mary Jane its a miscarriage. A year or two later now that Norman Osborn is the main antagonist of the book, in "The Final Chapter" Peter is told that Norman Osborn has kidnapped and is keeping May. He assumes this means their baby who they were going to name "May" and goes on a rampage against Norman Osborn. However, he finds Osborn's lair and when he opens the door... its Aunt May! They do a stupid retcon saying the Aunt May that died was a genetically modified actress that staged her death.
@@goldenstatewarriors9418 Whenever we get to the last story of the Clone Saga in 20 - 30 years, that is going to suuuuuuuuuck
As for the webs... sticky carbon nanotubes? Basically what real spider webs are, anyway.
If one entered a cyberworld via direct brain input, a power surge might end up doing damage through the interface. The way the Matrix does things is just silly though - at least the bit about magically replicating damage to the virtual avatar into the real body.
The singing in the super smash bros brawl song actually sounds like someone is saying "Atop the fourth wall"
Phoenix Pyrope I've finally found someone who believes that fire emblem only exists in super smash bros! I never thought I'd see the day!
Jokes aside, its from Fire Emblem Awakening.
What is the name of the glorious original of spidey lifting heavy things.
I believe it's Amazing Spider-Man #33.
After hearing his short critique on cyberspace, I'm curious, is there a way to make the concept work in science fiction? Because hearing this, his description seems to basically completely destroys the concept of the digital world in Digimon.
It works in Digimon BECAUSE it's a different dimension entirely. Not so much in reality, where they think virtual reality is a different dimension and not... you know... basically a video game.
@@AT4W Ok, but what about the first movie when they're able to communicate and travel through the internet? And while I'm listing examples, how about Freakazoid? Yes, I know it was a comedy show, but the sci-fi is still there.
So... Doctor Octopus is Obi-Wan?
Octo-Bi Wan?
10:18 Code Lyoko !
Simple. If Green Lantern constructs are made of Willpower then spiderman's webs are made of Spier-Power! Its basic science Linkara.
Ok, I got a random question related to this new Doc Ock here: Is this the same version of her that they used for Shattered Dimensions? And if so, does that mean that after the Clone Saga they just quietly shoved her into the 2099 universe, or was there some other shenanigans involved here?
+Gratuitous Lurking the 2099 one is indian, this one is white. they are separate characters i think
8:18 was this actually the end of the clone saga?
GASP!! comic's got real world science wrong?! i don't know what to believe anymore!
If you don't want to watch someone pick out scientific inaccuracies in comic books, you're in the wrong place.
It was just a joke, and not a very good one, feel free to ignore me
What no mention of how the comic should have included a Mr. T trading card?! For shame Linkara... for shame...
Speaking from 2020, all this internet and virtual reality talk is not as ridiculous as internet gas.
11:12- HAIL HYDRA!
24:57- And this would later be used in Spider-Man: Homecoming.
2:19/2:29 Hey, they both got better!