You talk about what I like to call "untamed God." We often want God to be gentle, benevolent, and to behave AS EXPECTED. That is a "tame God." But the Buddha was called the Tamer of Men. I think that the Untamed God is the God (or Buddha) who surprises us, who demands from us, whom we have no choice to follow. It is the one who is not tamed by us, but who tames us. CS Lewis always said of Aslan, that he wasn't an entirely tame lion.
Thankful that I am still around to attend the Pride parade in my home city. I have gone on every parade since they started in 2010. A lot has changed since I was 11 years old and genuinely thought 'I am the only boy like this and God has made a mistake'. Still practicing dharma and not waiting around for the approval from 'senior members of the sangha' (eventually I left) or anyone else. Also very thankful to friends whether Buddhist or not who supported me through very difficult times.
Straight folks infiltrated the gay bars in the states in the 90’s … but that’s an odd Pride parade you have there … and I’ve been to 30 of them all over the states and a few in Europe. In any event, all labels, ideas, ideologies, beliefs, assertions and arguments dissolve when faced with Zen. “The whole universe Shatters into a hundred pieces. In the great death There is no heaven, no earth. Once body and mind have turned over, There is only this to say: Past mind cannot be grasped, Present mind cannot be grasped, Future mind cannot be grasped.” ~ Dogen Zenji
What i took away as the cornerstone or Buddhist philosophy is "your own selfish desire is the cause of your own suffering" i dont know how u can claim to be a Buddhist AND have a negative view of the Bibles warning of pride. It seems to be one in the same. And when major religions agree i take notice.
@zenconfidential25 well, sesshin did nothing to change my juvenile sense of humour because my initial thought on your response was "that's what she said"! 🤦♀️
1 How do you know the women were straight? 2. I don’t think corporations supporting pride should inherently evoke suspicion, because corporations would also support racial equality 3. Overall JP is conflating the idea of pride as a sin with the pride celebrated during pride month. It’s kind of laughable how he makes such an obvious mistake
@@jerryalder2878 Homosexuality should not be persecuted or celebrated. Why would we celebrate something we would not wish on our own parents? From the Buddhist point of view ALL sexual desire is a yoke that binds us to suffering and samsara. So in that sense, Buddhism is a form of extinction-ism...the extinction of the human race.
Thank you for this wonderful video that resembles so many of my own thoughts about this topic. I myself came (for me) to the conclusion that this whole movement has a least the potential to rattle identity and that is a good thing. On my way back home from work a couple of days ago I was thinking to myself if there was any difference in being an "ordinary" heterosexual cis-male or a transsexual lesbian with a penis and penetration phantasies. And I figured, I didn't know... My own little don't-know-mind was at action there and I found it quite refreshing... 😂
The sexuality dogma that's being rammed down our throats seems to be about disrupting norms for the sake of disrupting norms. Pedophilias become "minor-attracted". Criticizing violence against women is "kink shaming". So much of it seems to be about attachment to sense desire and identity.
@@zenconfidential25 That's an interesting question because these ideas have specific philosophical roots. In the West, sexual values come from Abrahamic religions. At the time these texts were written, homosexuality was closely associated with exploitation where the receiving partner was typically a slave or a child. Before modern medicine, sex outside of marriage was extremely dangerous because of risks of disease and pregnancy. The modern ideas of homosexuality would have been unknown to them. They also probably couldn't conceive of a life where your preferences were important. Monogamy was an innovation of Christians which prevents wealthy men from hoarding women. The wisdom of this practice has been seen around the world. I've read some of the Left Wing doctrine. Some writings of Fanon and some from Foucault. If you haven't read these authors, you should so you can know what you are signing on to. At least read the chapter "On Violence" in Wretched of the Earth. It is quite eye opening. monoskop.org/images/6/6b/Fanon_Frantz_The_Wretched_of_the_Earth_1963.pdf They are morally repugnant. Foucault himself has been accused of serially raping Algerian children which isn't surprising to the way he wrote about children's sexuality. Several other of his contemporary French intellectuals were arrested for sex with children. My bigger problem is the autocratic way these gender ideas are being enforced. The slightest critical comment can get you blacklisted from the arts or academia. In many Buddhist Centers in New York City you will find yourself unwelcome if refuse to kiss the ring. It is often suggested that traditional sexual norms are simply there to oppress people, but actually they make a lot of sense. While it's not wrong to question those fences, you should me mindful on what's on the other side. Maybe the hazard no longer exists, or maybe you are about to leap over a cliff.
Thanks, there's a lot here. You said, "My bigger problem is the autocratic way these gender ideas are being enforced. The slightest critical comment can get you blacklisted from the arts or academia." Is this still going on over there in the States, or is the vibe shifting? Be interesting to see what comes next culturally.
Too much identifying as this or that. I (or you) am not a this or a that, and that is what Buddhism teaches. The LGBTQ+(etc.) movement has gone overboard with identity obsessiveness and a lot of people are very confused and not exactly sure how to label themselves - as if labeling oneself is even necessary. Interesting video, thanks.
I don't think there is room for a different type of god for these people. They are too attached to the idea that their concept of god is from god. They don't want to face the reality that their religion is a human creation that has been modified by humans drastically as time has passed. Ironically, over time, things slowly change, and 1000 years from now, people will no doubt claim their new version of Christianity is the true version and from the same god.
Truly, this is one of the dumbest comments I’ve read. You think you have religion figured out, do you? You think you understand how the Bible was changed? You must have a perfect working historical & archaeological knowledge of all the manuscripts. You must know ancient koine Greek like the back of your hand. You must have studied all religions and compared and contrasted all of them meticulously over several years. You literally don’t know what you’re talking about, so why even speak?
Jack I love your content but frankly, JP isn't worth giving a second thought. His argument about pride is totally disingenuous! Have you ever heard him criticize people who are "proud" of their children? I haven't! All JP is doing here is expressing his homophobia in a (relatively) subtle and indirect way.
just an ad hominem accusation... Please refer any parade in which kids are exposed to adult´s genitals and sexual behaviour with the motto "Pride of our Children" and maybe JP will say something. In any case he has spoken on pride (not just lgbt) many many times.
Tricksters never go for the top spot in a devine hierarchy or for the Supreme One and Only, so no creative flexible g-d for you. Also the father of lies don't need no wayerboy.🙃
There are so many problems with your presentation that knowing where to begin commenting. I guess I will start is the assertion of other which you then attempt to denigrate. As I do not find myself identifying with your assertions, I find your attacks upon those assertions meaningless. But your poetry is great.
correction, what could be more selfish than a body that god let you borrow for you to do whatever it pleases you for your own ends? Our bodies do not belong to us.
Gay-parades are really just vanity-parades at this point. If it was really a parade celebrating homosexuality then the people on the floats should be performing homosexual acts in front of the crowds...so the public knows exactly what they are applauding. The very next day, there should be a gratitude-parade where all the gay people celebrate the fact that their parents were NOT gay...and were thus able to give birth to them.
Shame isn't inherent, guilt is. Shame comes from other people. Guilt says, "I did something bad." Shame says, "I am bad." Shame is a perception about ourselves heaped upon us by others. Your disgust, your hatred, your confusion, heaped upon LGBTQIA+ because you do not want to feel it. Ergo, an entire group experiences YOUR shame.
God is perfect so why would God need to "change with the times"? I see the idea of pride as what "I" want regardless of it being right or wrong. I would love to drink all day long, eat junk food, and lust over as many hot women as I could but then what kind of world am I creating for myself (if you honest not a good one). Like you hinted, modern "Pride" days are a social flex, which I don't care for. I don't see Catholicism really as restrictions as much as bringing about order (and so much more).
I doubt you actually want to drink all day and eat junk food and lust after hot women, all of that sounds kind of boring. Interesting idea about Catholicism as bringing about order. I think it did that for me when I was a kid definitely. :-)
Having met LGBT people from various backgrounds it is clear that prejudice against them has caused unnecessary suffering. That prejudice maybe from religious or cultural attitudes. Friends from West Indian, Catholic, Irish traveller, Muslim and Jehova Witness backgrounds have described their various experiences. Prejudice from Buddhists no longer surprises me.
The LGBTQIA community does not, in general, feel pride in "what 'I' want" but pride for having finally succeeded in the fight for marriage rights, to visit our spouses on their death beds, to (hopefully) not be bullied, harassed, stalked, verbally or physically assaulted, or unalived simply because they exist and someone saw them existing. Gay Pride has zero to do with "me" and everything to do with "us". If you can't understand the pride a minority feels when they are granted the rights others enjoy, you lack empathy.
@@jerryalder2878my grandparents were southern Baptist and made sure to tell me I was an abomination and headed to hell every time I saw them at a family gathering from my 14th year (when I came out) until my 40's.
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Hey JP. Ever heard of Vajra Pride! :). The pride of the wild god or the zen vagabond indeed.
Your videos are compelling to watch! You have all the qualities of an excellent teacher!
Thank you for saying that Ryan. I appreciate it. Maybe more like all the qualities of an unhinged monk on the run?
You talk about what I like to call "untamed God." We often want God to be gentle, benevolent, and to behave AS EXPECTED. That is a "tame God." But the Buddha was called the Tamer of Men. I think that the Untamed God is the God (or Buddha) who surprises us, who demands from us, whom we have no choice to follow. It is the one who is not tamed by us, but who tames us. CS Lewis always said of Aslan, that he wasn't an entirely tame lion.
Why is pure and simple Acceptance so hard to practice sometimes...
Good question! Barriers and boundaries, maybe.
I like your J. Peterson impression 😃
I am working on perfecting it!!
Thankful that I am still around to attend the Pride parade in my home city. I have gone on every parade since they started in 2010. A lot has changed since I was 11 years old and genuinely thought 'I am the only boy like this and God has made a mistake'. Still practicing dharma and not waiting around for the approval from 'senior members of the sangha' (eventually I left) or anyone else. Also very thankful to friends whether Buddhist or not who supported me through very difficult times.
thank you my friend.
I’m glade you are free to express what you believe to be true.
Straight folks infiltrated the gay bars in the states in the 90’s … but that’s an odd Pride parade you have there … and I’ve been to 30 of them all over the states and a few in Europe. In any event, all labels, ideas, ideologies, beliefs, assertions and arguments dissolve when faced with Zen.
“The whole universe
Shatters into a hundred pieces.
In the great death
There is no heaven, no earth.
Once body and mind have turned over,
There is only this to say:
Past mind cannot be grasped,
Present mind cannot be grasped,
Future mind cannot be grasped.”
~ Dogen Zenji
Dogen nails it again.
What i took away as the cornerstone or Buddhist philosophy is "your own selfish desire is the cause of your own suffering" i dont know how u can claim to be a Buddhist AND have a negative view of the Bibles warning of pride. It seems to be one in the same. And when major religions agree i take notice.
could be…
Just finished sesshin to find both Jack AND Brad have put out videos to refill my head with thoughts! What more could a girl ask for? 😂
welcome back to the human world, may your reentry be swift and gentle!!
@zenconfidential25 well, sesshin did nothing to change my juvenile sense of humour because my initial thought on your response was "that's what she said"! 🤦♀️
The god you talk about is discussed in Open Relational Process theology
1 How do you know the women were straight?
2. I don’t think corporations supporting pride should inherently evoke suspicion, because corporations would also support racial equality
3. Overall JP is conflating the idea of pride as a sin with the pride celebrated during pride month. It’s kind of laughable how he makes such an obvious mistake
I love the music in the Euro Pride parades. So cool in Berlin
That is the truth, best music out there!!
Both Sides-ism would mean embracing both extremes or opposites.
The Middle Way means rejecting both extremes.
Not sure what you mean. Is being bisexual the Middle Way ? Asking for a non binary friend.
@@jerryalder2878 The Middle Way is only about pleasure versus pain, and rejecting both...it has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
That's a bit more clear. Actually I am reassured that the Middle Way is not being used as just another angle to have a go at LGBT people. @Teller3448
@@jerryalder2878
Homosexuality should not be persecuted or celebrated.
Why would we celebrate something we would not wish on our own parents?
From the Buddhist point of view ALL sexual desire is a yoke that binds us to suffering and samsara. So in that sense, Buddhism is a form of extinction-ism...the extinction of the human race.
A deep and honest look.
Thank you!
Thank you for this wonderful video that resembles so many of my own thoughts about this topic. I myself came (for me) to the conclusion that this whole movement has a least the potential to rattle identity and that is a good thing. On my way back home from work a couple of days ago I was thinking to myself if there was any difference in being an "ordinary" heterosexual cis-male or a transsexual lesbian with a penis and penetration phantasies. And I figured, I didn't know... My own little don't-know-mind was at action there and I found it quite refreshing... 😂
Thanks my friend.
thank you! :)
I want to hear that anti-capitalism rant. 13:10
some day… some day.
The sexuality dogma that's being rammed down our throats seems to be about disrupting norms for the sake of disrupting norms. Pedophilias become "minor-attracted". Criticizing violence against women is "kink shaming". So much of it seems to be about attachment to sense desire and identity.
Does sexuality dogma include heterosexuality dogma? ;)
The only people I know of that are trying to rename pedophilia as "minor attraction" are conservatives making bad faith arguments
Yeah, I haven't heard that term over here in Europe. Maybe there's a German word for it! ;)
@@zenconfidential25 That's an interesting question because these ideas have specific philosophical roots. In the West, sexual values come from Abrahamic religions. At the time these texts were written, homosexuality was closely associated with exploitation where the receiving partner was typically a slave or a child.
Before modern medicine, sex outside of marriage was extremely dangerous because of risks of disease and pregnancy. The modern ideas of homosexuality would have been unknown to them. They also probably couldn't conceive of a life where your preferences were important.
Monogamy was an innovation of Christians which prevents wealthy men from hoarding women. The wisdom of this practice has been seen around the world.
I've read some of the Left Wing doctrine. Some writings of Fanon and some from Foucault. If you haven't read these authors, you should so you can know what you are signing on to. At least read the chapter "On Violence" in Wretched of the Earth. It is quite eye opening.
monoskop.org/images/6/6b/Fanon_Frantz_The_Wretched_of_the_Earth_1963.pdf
They are morally repugnant. Foucault himself has been accused of serially raping Algerian children which isn't surprising to the way he wrote about children's sexuality. Several other of his contemporary French intellectuals were arrested for sex with children.
My bigger problem is the autocratic way these gender ideas are being enforced. The slightest critical comment can get you blacklisted from the arts or academia. In many Buddhist Centers in New York City you will find yourself unwelcome if refuse to kiss the ring.
It is often suggested that traditional sexual norms are simply there to oppress people, but actually they make a lot of sense. While it's not wrong to question those fences, you should me mindful on what's on the other side. Maybe the hazard no longer exists, or maybe you are about to leap over a cliff.
Thanks, there's a lot here. You said, "My bigger problem is the autocratic way these gender ideas are being enforced. The slightest critical comment can get you blacklisted from the arts or academia." Is this still going on over there in the States, or is the vibe shifting? Be interesting to see what comes next culturally.
Too much identifying as this or that.
I (or you) am not a this or a that, and that is what Buddhism teaches.
The LGBTQ+(etc.) movement has gone overboard with identity obsessiveness and a lot of people are very confused and not exactly sure how to label themselves - as if labeling oneself is even necessary.
Interesting video, thanks.
I WISH I was just a this or a that...
As long as people are just-being-egotistical (and not trying to multitask) then it's all good 😉
I don't think there is room for a different type of god for these people. They are too attached to the idea that their concept of god is from god.
They don't want to face the reality that their religion is a human creation that has been modified by humans drastically as time has passed.
Ironically, over time, things slowly change, and 1000 years from now, people will no doubt claim their new version of Christianity is the true version and from the same god.
I wonder if all our religions will ever be around in 1000 years. Won't we have "GodChips" in our heads by then? ;)
Truly, this is one of the dumbest comments I’ve read. You think you have religion figured out, do you? You think you understand how the Bible was changed? You must have a perfect working historical & archaeological knowledge of all the manuscripts. You must know ancient koine Greek like the back of your hand. You must have studied all religions and compared and contrasted all of them meticulously over several years. You literally don’t know what you’re talking about, so why even speak?
As a matter of fact, I even know ancient koine Greek like the back of YOUR hand.
What is it that sees the self for what it is?
Jack I love your content but frankly, JP isn't worth giving a second thought. His argument about pride is totally disingenuous! Have you ever heard him criticize people who are "proud" of their children? I haven't! All JP is doing here is expressing his homophobia in a (relatively) subtle and indirect way.
Good point about pride, JP, and kids. thank you.
just an ad hominem accusation... Please refer any parade in which kids are exposed to adult´s genitals and sexual behaviour with the motto "Pride of our Children" and maybe JP will say something. In any case he has spoken on pride (not just lgbt) many many times.
@@juanluiscadenasdellanobajo1610 🙄
15:30 You mean "a celebration of the fluids" 😜
Well that's one take!! And a good one, I might add.
Tricksters never go for the top spot in a devine hierarchy or for the Supreme One and Only, so no creative flexible g-d for you.
Also the father of lies don't need no wayerboy.🙃
Great point, the trickster hovers at the edges, baby!!
A mocking attitude lacks humility.
true
There are so many problems with your presentation that knowing where to begin commenting. I guess I will start is the assertion of other which you then attempt to denigrate. As I do not find myself identifying with your assertions, I find your attacks upon those assertions meaningless. But your poetry is great.
always great to get some constructive feedback, thx!
correction, what could be more selfish than a body that god let you borrow for you to do whatever it pleases you for your own ends? Our bodies do not belong to us.
Interesting POV. Danke.
Gay-parades are really just vanity-parades at this point.
If it was really a parade celebrating homosexuality then the people on the floats should be performing homosexual acts in front of the crowds...so the public knows exactly what they are applauding.
The very next day, there should be a gratitude-parade where all the gay people celebrate the fact that their parents were NOT gay...and were thus able to give birth to them.
I call it Pride/Overcompensation 🏳️🌈 because that is what it is. People trying to overcompensate for their inherent shame.
What are they ashamed of?
Shame isn't inherent, guilt is. Shame comes from other people. Guilt says, "I did something bad."
Shame says, "I am bad." Shame is a perception about ourselves heaped upon us by others.
Your disgust, your hatred, your confusion, heaped upon LGBTQIA+ because you do not want to feel it. Ergo, an entire group experiences YOUR shame.
You are sounding pretty ashamed there😆
@@zenconfidential25Making an idol out of sex.
I can think of worse idols!
God is perfect so why would God need to "change with the times"? I see the idea of pride as what "I" want regardless of it being right or wrong. I would love to drink all day long, eat junk food, and lust over as many hot women as I could but then what kind of world am I creating for myself (if you honest not a good one). Like you hinted, modern "Pride" days are a social flex, which I don't care for. I don't see Catholicism really as restrictions as much as bringing about order (and so much more).
I doubt you actually want to drink all day and eat junk food and lust after hot women, all of that sounds kind of boring. Interesting idea about Catholicism as bringing about order. I think it did that for me when I was a kid definitely. :-)
Having met LGBT people from various backgrounds it is clear that prejudice against them has caused unnecessary suffering. That prejudice maybe from religious or cultural attitudes. Friends from West Indian, Catholic, Irish traveller, Muslim and Jehova Witness backgrounds have described their various experiences. Prejudice from Buddhists no longer surprises me.
The LGBTQIA community does not, in general, feel pride in "what 'I' want" but pride for having finally succeeded in the fight for marriage rights, to visit our spouses on their death beds, to (hopefully) not be bullied, harassed, stalked, verbally or physically assaulted, or unalived simply because they exist and someone saw them existing.
Gay Pride has zero to do with "me" and everything to do with "us". If you can't understand the pride a minority feels when they are granted the rights others enjoy, you lack empathy.
@@jerryalder2878my grandparents were southern Baptist and made sure to tell me I was an abomination and headed to hell every time I saw them at a family gathering from my 14th year (when I came out) until my 40's.
I think you make a good case for what gay pride, at its core, means to so many people.