The LONGEST Division Tiebreaker in NFL HISTORY | 1997 AFC Central
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- In 1997, the Jacksonville Jaguars and Pittsburgh Steelers were tied atop the AFC Central. It took five tiebreakers to determine a winner. This is the story behind the craziest and longest tiebreaker in NFL history.
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In 1999, the Jaguars lost three games all season. They lost to the Tennessee Titans, the Tennessee Titans, and the Tennessee Titans in the playoffs.
TA actually so infuriating 😂 titans have always been the fucking thorn in our side since day 1
Ya don’t remind me
One Yard Short
That season crushed me. When I heard about the Music City Miracle, I became nervous about the Jags possibly having to face the Titans for a 3rd time. Deep down, I knew they had Jax’s number. Even though it was 14-10 at the half, it was like I knew the beat down was coming. Once they returned a free kick for a TD, it was over.
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The Jags and Steelers are two franchises destined for one another, their interactions have been some of the best in all of football despite their history being so young. I'm looking forward to the day they can share a division again.
Even tho the jaguars have played shit...they'd stay competitive with the best teams...give me a division with the Jaguars, Ravens, Titans, ane Steelers pleaseeee...itd be the most violent division in the NFL
For a team like Jacksonville, a win against Pittsburgh is a shot in the arm for all of Duval County.
Beating the Steelers in the playoffs twice is like two mini Lombardi's to all players, coaches, fans and the Front office of the Jaguars.
I mean, did you see the Jaguars/Patriots AFC Championship game in 2017? Jacksonville was just happy to be there.
@ALBERT WANG
False.
We couldn't stop a nosebleed out of the backfield after Shazier went down.
Never forget the Killer B's: Bortles & Bohanon!
@@johnmorales6281 NFC east still exists but yeah I agree
@ALBERT WANG hey Steelers fan, RIP in 2007 too when the Jags beat the Steelers TWICE at home, including in the playoffs.
The thing I like about your videos is that you provide really interesting stories of NFL history that no one ever talks about.
I agree. Topics I had never even thought about, and he gives good background information. He needs his own sports show on tv.
Exactly, he's very underrated and I wish he'd get more attention.
The really crazy part is that the Jags actually had a higher total point differential at +76 to the Steelers' +65 😲
yes , but the tie breaker was DIVISION point differential, not overall point differential. at onw point in NFL history , one of the tie breakers was net points in head-to-head games. giving an incentive for close teams to :"run the score up"
Dallas Cowboys only great game of the 1997 season was a week 1 thrashing of the Steelers 37-7. Put the Steelers in a pretty big hole as far as point differential is concerned. Obviously non conference non division so it didn't matter.
If they had the present day tie breaker rule. The Jaguars would win the division.
Yeah well ,.if it was 24 years ago I'd be 29 years old????🤔🙄
@@brianfrancis2398 And if my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle.
@@johnhunter2294 Right is right unless left is right.
Steelers HC trying to trip returners is a tradition at this point
It’s a tradition for media to claim that Steelers coaches try to trip players, even though none of them ever did.
I lived in Jax when the Jags came to town. I was at the very first MNF game (the one mentioned in this video) ever played in that stadium. The place was rocking that night and everyone lost their minds when the field goal was blocked. I'll never forget that night.
The 5th tiebreaker would be almost impossible to get to again...but that was a crazy 1997 season between Jax and Pitt in the last 2 weeks. Love the old footage, especially of the Rochester Jeffersons, too. Ultimately, Pitt couldn't hold out Denver anyway, and the Broncos went to the Super Bowl that season. But yeah, the 5th tiebreaker would be tough to ever see again to determine a division winner.
In 2010 the Packers won the last wild card based on the 5th tiebreaker-Strength of Victory over TB and NYG
Do one about the 1990 Cowboys and how they almost made the post season with a wildcard at 7-9. It came down to a last second fg in a Monday night game between the rams vs the saints.
The Seahawks did make the playoffs with a 7-9 record.
@@pocobull And beat the defending champs in it
Has a team ever lost on purpose to change their playoff opponent?
As a packers fan, I don’t think we actually lost on purpose, but I remember a 2015 week 17 game against the Vikings that would determine who won the NFC North (I believe both teams were 10-5 going into the game) and fans of both teams that I knew wanted to lose the game so they’d get to play the Redskins, who were only the fourth seed due to a weak division, instead of the Seahawks, who, despite being the sixth seed, were a much better team. We ended up losing the game and division and then easily beat the Redskins in the wild card round, whereas the Vikings won the division but would go on to lose to the Seahawks off the infamous Blair Walsh kick
Some Steelers fans once suggested that in the final game of the 2005 season, the Patriots intentionally lost to the Dolphins so that they would have the 4 seed and play the Jaguars, rather than the 3 seed and play the Steelers.
What an incredible RUclips channel - i watch every one of your videos. Please don't ever stop making these, because there aren't enough people who do what you do, let alone do it as well as you do.
As soon as you said “this was an absolute awful beat” you earned my subscription.
Tomlin tried to trip dude, Cowher tried to knock dude AHT!!
Ahhh the good old days when we (the Jaguars) actually played meaningful football. We miss it so.
Back then for division ties conference record was the 3rd step after head-to-head and division record, then common opponents was the 4th step.
The two metrics were switched starting with the 2002 season
because teams have more common opponents with their other division teams on the new schedule
These videos are sick. Keep it up
If I was the Steelers coach I would have been like "guys, if we don't lose by 65 only 64 or less I'll buy everyone pizza 🍕 😂
Its Key-van Henry, not Ke-vin Henry despite it being spelled "Kevin". Trust me, his cousin Mark Henry will give you the World's Strongest Slam for saying otherwise.
More like Kee-van Henry (key in Pronunciation is not the same as the word "key" but like kee" as it also stood in his draft profile.
@@bowlchamps37 in any event, @jaguargator9 still pronounced his first name wrong.
This stuff making me feel old.
The next season was the same scenario just for different stakes and even less drama prior to the playoffs, and also mostly forgotten except maybe for a tiny few nerds like myself. Buffalo and Miami were both 10-6 and were the top two Wild Cards, and both finished two games behind the division champion Jets.
Both the Bills and Dolphins were even in the first 4 tiebreaker steps, thus the same tiebreaker that gave the Steelers the AFC Central the year before was needed to decide who got to host the Wild Card game. Miami had a +6 net points in the division while Buffalo was at a flat 0, scoring the same amount of points they allowed in AFC East games. A couple of differences though: that metric was locked in place in Week 16 after Buffalo lost 17-10 to the Jets. Both teams would play on the road out of conference in Week 17 (MiA @ ATL and BUF @ NO), thus even though the Bills won and the Dolphins lost, Buffalo couldn't move up. However, the Billa could have fallen to a #6 seed with a loss or with a NE win or tie plus a NE tie. Plus NE could have leapfrogged both MIA and BUF to the #4 seed with a win plus losses by both MIA and BUF.
But since the difference in net points was much narrower than with PIT and JAX the year before, BUF would have earned home field vs MIA had they lost to the Jets 17-16 instead of 17-10. The Bills would have matched Miami in net division points and would have beaten Miami in net points for the entire season (the next step) if the results of the Week 17 games stayed the same.
Well, Miami won that Wild Card game over Buffalo at Pro Player Stadium, known at the time for Jimmy Johnson stomping on a box of *Flutie Flakes* - cereal for which the Bills QB used proceeds for research to "cure" autism (and now I'm more grossed out by Flute). The game was also known for Eric Moulds having a monster receiving game but losing his cool and drawing an unsportsmanlike conduct foul after a call didn't go his way, and it was during a drive that would have possibly tied the game. The Blls shot themselves in the foot a few times in the red zone.
Fort Porters: Exist.
Rochester Jeffersons: "I am about to end this team's whole career."
The 1980 AFC West title also came down to division net points with the Fouts-led Chargers taking the title and thus pushing the Raiders into the wildcard from where they became the first one to win the Super Bowl. Not sure if tiebreakers were the same that year as they were in 1997
The NFC East title also came down to net points that season. The Eagles had led the division wire-to-wire up to that point but if they had lost by 25 or more, then the Cowboys would have leapfrogged them. Dallas led 35-10 in the 4th before Philadelphia cut the deficit to 35-27. If the Cowboys would’ve beaten the Eagles in the NFC Title game at the Vet we would’ve had our first all-wild card super bowl.
Seems to me that the logical second tie breaker should have been: Point differential between the two teams in the games they played against each other.
There are so many statistics in American Football!
Everything, like the number of touchdowns, could be a tie breaker!
Best net touchdowns is on the list, right before the coin toss.
damn I never knew the jags were good in the late 90's had a good lil 4 year run
PIT & JAX end up tied for AFC Central in 1997
Both lose to eventual Super Bowl champion DEN
One thing that I'd like to see used as a tiebreaker would be most regulation time wins/fewest regulation time losses.
A four quarter win should carry more weight than an overtime win. Similarly an overtime loss shouldn't count against a team as much as a regulation one.
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What about when Coach Tomlinson tried to tackle that kid about 6 years ago or so
Just imagine though, somewhere in an alternate timeline Oilers did beat Steelers by 65 🤣
Just image though, somewhere in an alternate timeline, that game was played in Houston, where the Steelers-Oilers rivalry really meant something.
It would have to take place in the same timeline where they held on to their 35-3 lead over the Bills in order for it to be believable.
Ahh yes 1997.......part of the Cowher fantastic 1-4 home AFC Title game record.........Its the Playoffs? Time to scheme and coach scared when it counts most....
The more things change, eh?
That's how Rob Johnson became the starter of the Buffalo Bills video of Rob Johnson and Doug Flutie
I just heard your old banjo riff on a Draft Kings commercial!
I noticed that too a few weeks ago. The riff is a GarageBand loop so I know where they got it from
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I heard it too with a trap hip hop drum and snare in the background
Off topic, but Pittsburgh has always stood out to me as such a weird team division wise. They always seem to be in the central division, which while i understand why, it just doesn’t seem like that should be the case. Same thing with Dallas being in the east
The Steelers are within reasonable distances of Cleveland and Cincinnati, so it's not quite the same thing as the Cowboys' divisional setup. The Steelers being in the AFC North makes plenty of sense geographically.
@@marcus813 indy being in the south is dumb, take Baltimore to the south give us indy Who Dey!
Or give north Buffalo, put Baltimore in east, put cincy in south
IDK
@@teen_laqueefa The Ravens have fierce rivalries with the Steelers, who are a drivable distance away, and the Browns in particular. The Ravens would fight tooth and nail to remain with those clubs and the Bengals.
@@marcus813 yeah, I know I'm a Bengals fan. Sad to think the Ravens ARE the Browns original team.....like why couldn't they remain and be successful in Cleveland. We wouldn't have a Ravens team to worry about🤪
@@teen_laqueefa The "old" Browns couldn't stay put because Art Modell misplayed his hand and saw his profits drop.
I didn't know that the AFC Central title pretty much came down to the game that ultimately convinced the then-Tennessee Oilers to get the hell out of Memphis' Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium (they were gonna play there in '98, too, but moved to Vanderbilt University's place instead).
I was there, it was essentially a Steelers home game. The temporary stay in Memphis was a horrible idea. Imagine dating someone and telling them you were only going to be with them until you married someone else they despised and that's what this situation was.
@@DolFan316 It was definitely a bad idea even with "Tennessee" being the club's regional identifier. Maybe the then-Oilers would've been better off playing at Vandy that season instead, IDK. Even when they were playing in Memphis, they were still being operated out of Nashville, which meant that their home games in '97 were neutral-site games at best and de facto road games at worst.
@@marcus813 Memphis was one of 5 cities vying for expansion franchises for the 95 season. Charlotte and Jacksonville got the teams, Baltimore then stole the Browns and St. Louis got the Rams. All Memphis got was a transient team for what was supposed to be 2 seasons.
@tygrkhat40 yes, Baltimore stole the Browns. Aren’t Ravens fans hostile to Colts fans over that exact same scenario with Indianapolis? Hypocrites
@@nicholasselke5214 Well, in Baltimore, many Ravens fans were Colts fans. Why should Baltimore Ravens fans be hostile to Indianapolis Colts fans? The fans didn't load the trucks in the middle of the night to take the Colts away, Robert Irsay did that. If Ravens fans feel anything, it should be shame for Baltimore doing to Cleveland what Indianapolis did to them.
8:43 the way how I can tell this isn't a john bois video is because the steelers didn't lose by 65 points
lol that OT shovel pass was second of three receiving TDs ever for the Bus!
and the final clip was his third and final receiving TD!
You should make a video on the greatest and Clutchest Fantasy performance of all time happened.
When on Sunday night of week 11 2014 Jonas Gray, who put up only 588 rushing yards in his whole career, went off for 37 Carries 201 Rushing Yards and 4 RUSHING TOUCHDOWNS. This was a guy that was hardly owned but was announced as the starter during the week and who was a desperation waiver pick up and saved many games who may have had 1% win percentage outlooks after the main slot of games happened. Jonas never did anything like it again and never did anything like it before. Truly a one game fantasy hero
www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201411160clt.htm here is the game link on PFR
I'm hoping for this to happen again, I know it's a headache and is absolutely chaos but who said no chaos hurt? Brings a lot fire to the playoff picture.
I stumbled on this video randomly and I enjoyed it a lot actually. I clicked your channel and saw that there’s plenty more to watch so
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Week 18 of the 21-22 Season: *sweats nervously*
That's insane!! I remember seeing this at 11 years old and looking at my cousin, like what the heck?! Lol 😅😆🤣
Didn't realize how uniquely American vast amounts of tie-breakers were
We are the only country that has this
Most European soccer leagues literally just go
1. Goal Difference
2. Goals Scored
3. Tie-Breaker Game
Rarely gets past one and hardly ever get past 2
Surprised the NFL didn't just do that to start or even still with a 3rd or 4th never used tiebreaker
before the Super Bowl era, the NFL had a divisional play-off game if they were tied before the national championship.
@@geoffreyhooker9005 Yup I've heard about that
On this channel actually
While five is the longest tiebreaker in a division, since the 2002 realignment, four is the longest tiebreaker in any circumstance, division or otherwise. That happened in 2006 when the Giants qualified for the #6 seed over three other 8-8 teams. The Giants and Packers (7-5 conference records) eliminated the Panthers and Rams (6-6 conference records), while the Giants (.422) further eliminated the Packers (.383) due to a better strength of victory.
Damn, Cowher and Tomlin both were tripping bruh........sheeeeit.
Interesting thing about their schedules. The only games they lost were either versus common opponents (1 in division, 3 out of) or versus each other (1). Any team the other didn't play against that year got beat.
Had division winners not had seeding priority in 1997, these would have been the AFC seeds:
1. Kansas City
2. Denver
3. Pittsburgh
4. Jacksonville
5. New England
6. Miami
This could have potentially set up an epic showdown of AFC West rivals for the AFC championship.
As it happened, they had to meet in the divisional playoffs.
As of 2021, division winners still receive seeding priority. There have been a handful of times where the team that should have gotten the #2 seed in their conference did not because they did not win their division. This most recently happened to the 2018 Chargers.
The NBA has gotten it right for a while. In 2007, they changed it so that division winners only were guaranteed a top 4 seed in their conference, and a decade later removed not only the top 4 guarantee but also the playoff berth guarantee, though in practice, all division winners play well enough to get into the playoffs.
The NFL and MLB should learn from the NBA and remove seeding priority from division winners.
The NFL will never do this. They want the fans to know that winning your division means you get a home game.
@@johnreese3797 except not all division winners deserve to start the playoffs at home
two interesting scenarios can come out of removing seeding priority for division winners
1. a division winner has a bad enough record that they get saddled with the 7th seed in their conference going on to win the Super Bowl without ever having a chance of having a home playoff game
2. the top two seeds in a conference are from the same division, and go on to meet in the conference title game, easily the biggest game in the history of that division rivlary
@@LogoAttitude Deserves got nothing to do with it.
@@johnreese3797 it has everything to do with it
as of now, the only way a wild card team can have home field advantage in an NFL playoff game is if a wild card team from the conference with HFA in the Super Bowl in a given year advances
and even then, it is not usually at their own home stadium, except for last year, when the Buccaneers, who finished second in the NFC South, made it to and won a Super Bowl in their home stadium
the fact that it took them until the Super Bowl to have a home playoff game, while Washington got one despite only going 7-9, is wrong
and even then, I'm also proposing that home field advantage for the Super Bowl be awarded to the team with the better record, as it is for other championship rounds in the big 4 leagues
the conference rotation is an artifact of the pre-1975 playoff site rotation, where all playoff games rotated between the divisions
HFA by record could have done the Panthers a lot of good in Super Bowl 50, they would have chosen to wear white as the designated home team, knowing the Broncos have never won a Super Bowl wearing orange jerseys (this would not be unlike teams who host the Cowboys choosing to wear white to invoke the blue jersey jinx)
@@johnreese3797 and the first scenario I described would be a more believable Cinderella story than if the weak division winner that won the Super Bowl started the playoffs at home
Geez, how many times did you show a graphic where the Steelers had a tie. Man, I never remembered how many times they did that.
Cowher didn't try to trip him! He wanted to knock him out! 😆 Jags are forever a thorn in the Steelers butt.
Man I love you're videos!!
*your
I swear I come from an alternate universe where 2 point conversions didn’t exist in the 90s
I believe that had the bears won last week, they would’ve needed 5, maybe 6 tiebreakers to determine who got 2nd in the NFC north this year. Both teams would’ve finished 7-10, 1-1 head to head, 3-3 vs the division, 4-8 vs common opponents, 5-7 vs the NFC, and with an identical strength of schedule.
I totally forgot that Jacksonville used to be in the AFC Central.
Why the hell was Arizona in the East this setup was made goofy
At least this setup was due to a franchise being moved from St. Louis. Try explaining Atlanta and New Orleans being in the NFC West...
I think there was another tiebreaker in the AFC in 1997 or 1998 between Miami and Buffalo for home-field advantage in the Wild Card Game that went to the 5th tiebreaker as well. Miami may have won this tiebreaker by point differential head-to-head between these two teams. Miami ultimately beat Buffalo in this wild card game.
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I still think that the second tiebreaker for divisional rivals should be passed on soccer - on aggregate. The team that scored more points iin the two games would in. Then who scored more point in their opponents stadium get the advantage as the third.
I think it valid to ask if “Fort Porter” can be rightfully said to have played that last game against the Rochester Jeffersons!
5:07 Is this before you released the video about how MNF forgot to show the extra point following Hudson's touchdown leading to some fans and betters believing the Jags won 29-21 instead of 30-21 since you don't mention a thing about that here?
Please do a documentary on the fall of the Jacksonville jaguars from their late 90s playoff season
I miss those uniforms. I think the new uniforms on every team are uglier than their late 90s counterpart
Ironically the intro had the last thing he wanted happen- the Chiefs beat the Bills because of a coin toss.
strange, a team can be a division winner with 0 wins while another can be a wildcard team with 16 wins. Thats the way the NFL is meant to be played. lol
I stopped watching the video because there were to many big things in the bottom... Other than that it was a good video.
Wouldn't need such a convoluted system IF the NFL didn't rig games
More Steelers context!
How was it convoluted? It was easy to follow.
Almost as bad as the 2022 PAC 12 championship
@9:36 "I thought we clinched the division. I knew there were outlandish circumstances where we could lose it" What do you think clinch it means, my dude?
Jags logo was so much better back then
the tiebreaker should never come down to a coin toss. pick literally anything to break the tie other than a damn coin toss...
coin flip? imagine missing playoffs cause of a coin flip
I was at that game when Kordell shovel passed to the bus. It was awesome plus we had a goal line stand on the jags that was intense during that game.
After head to head, why not go by total points scored in the head to head games?
U need to change the name of your Channel and clean the production up a bit. Great channel though I’ve watched every video
Bill Cowher didn’t remotely try to trip the guy. After the game he said he wanted to tackle the guy but restrained himself. Watch the actual clip because that claim is nonsense.
The 2008 AFC East was the 4th tiebreaker
7:22 If those didn't happen they wouldn't have tied.
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I'm wondering what's the first tiebreaker if two teams in the same conference don't play each in a season and go undefeated.
Edit to add I just looked it up and it's strength of victory, not strength of opponents which doesn't make as much sense to me, but okay. Strength of victory is point differential overall, I suppose.
Good question.
@@coinbuyer-8605 Strength of Victory is W-L-T percentage of the teams they defeated.
well technically if the steelers had lost to the pats no tiebreakers would have been necessary as the teams wouldn't have been tied. just sayin'.
Correct, and I thought that immediately. Not sure why the poster of this video didn’t figure that part out
Also if two teams in the same division finish 16-1
02 season Afc was a log jam the expansion jags was better than the jags of now
There is one mistake here. Back in 1997 the third tie breaker was conference record, and the fourth tie breaker was record against common opponents. That was change I believe somewhere around 2008. Also, just a point of interest. True this was the longest tie breaker for a division record but, I do remember one time when it came down to the 5th tie breaker which now is strength of victory for the #3 and #4 seeds in the AFC between the Patriots and Bengals. The Patriots got the #3 seed.
Not 6...not 7...not 26824(2) lol just kidding. But this is why sports need to ALWAYS have clear, easy to understand divisions by geographicical region (Indianapolis is NOT in the south! Knock it off, NFL)
Wow, never realised jag were in the afc Central
For a while I forgot the Jaguars even existed
The Jaguars were in the AFC Central because they needed to have five teams in each division, from 1976-1994 that division only had four teams
thats when denver cheated to beat the steelers. they all wore vaseline on their uniforms and the refs made 2 bogus pass interference calls against carnell lake. that game was totally rigged.
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Stop having like buttons and subscribe keep popping up on the bottom of the screen with that giant pattern button taking up a forth of the screen
Elway vs. Stewart? Hahahahah, The Stillers wouldn't be an ACTUAL contender for another 6-7 years when our starting QB got his legs broke and a no-name draft pick would start his first 15-1 season... (with the one loss against Baltimore coming from the guy whose legs got smashed)