Zeekr is a Chinese/Swedish joint venture. The Zeekr001 was designed in Sweden and is part of CEVT which means Chinese European Vehicle Technology. CEVT is a Swedish company and Zeekr's headquarters is in China but there is both European and Chinese engineering in this car. This car is actually the basis for the Lotus sedan and BEV and the Polestar 4. And the Zeekr009 is the basis for the Volvo EM90. However, most Volvo and Polestars are based on Volvo's framework.
@ndukasmith Journalist should post information. Saying Zeekr is Chinese is not giving the whole situation of what they are. It's the auto journalist that should do their homework better and say what these cars are. They are not just Chinese. They are both Chinese and Swedish. Volvo wasn't bankrupt and all I'm saying is Volvo is still essentially a Swedish brand with a Chinese parent. Geely hasn't made them "Chinese" like some people think. I've never, ever said that Chinese aren't capable of making great products or, like some Westerners say, copy and don't innovate. I think that's BS and that Chinese do innovate. So you're talking out of your ass.
To those who don’t like EV so don’t want our government and companies investing in it, I say that will be conceding a huge market and probably eventually mean the end of our car industry as we won’t be able to compete. We have to think more long term, which isn’t really long term at this point. The Chinese are coming and they’ll figure a way of getting the cars here so that they are cheap. I don’t follow Chinese vehicle closely as I’m more interested in what I can buy, but I know they are having a big impact in Europe..
I'm going to try to post it again. Since it was deleted. I said that Saying that "Chinese EVs like this are leading outside the US" (especially for the title). I would say that that is not accurate at all. First of all, Zeekr is just starting, they are new to the market, so they can't lead anything yet. However, if you say that "Chinese EVs are leading outside the States" I would say, yes, of course. Especially for cheaper brands like BYD or MG...etc.
BYD has a range. Some are inexpensive, some aren't. They also are making an upscale brand that eventually may go beyond China. MG so far are fairly inexpensive. But there are nice expensive Chinese cars from XPeng and Nio and others as well that are competitive as cars.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Sure, many brands have a range of vehicles they offer. But for the time being Zeekr is a premium brand, same as Xpeng and Nio. Additionally, I think it's too soon to assume they can lead. However, they have a great potential to succeed. I definitely see them surpassing Tesla in certain markets very soon.
Good point. The Zeekr 001 dominates Asia in that segment but the value brands are really what’s scaring Europe. Would love to look at a Seal or similar model given the opportunity. Also your comment wasn’t deleted or censored lol - we had to reupload the video due to a technical issue.
@@iMaxPatten Hi Max, thanks for the comment. I do apologize, I was basically blaming RUclips for that haha. Thanks for the aclaration. Have a good day.
Screw it, if Legacy automakers in the United States won't do it, let China make them. They're more affordable and have more experience and most importantly they will stand by their product instead of ending the lease and crushing them all or purposefully make bad cars to get people to assume they're all bad.
I admire Max, obviously living in the USA from very young age, still is managing to speak Russian. For a country like Kazakhstan Russian language is still pertinent even somebody like Max' mom cousin might have been able to converse in local Kazakh language.
Pretty sure your title was clickbait, but it should read, "BYD puts all other Chinese EV automakers out of business!" because that is what is currently happening in China. As long as Tesla is profitable they aren't worried about other non-profitable EV automakers regardless of how good their cars are. FACTS!
People need to not mistake a Polestar 4 for a Zeekr because they both are "owned by Geely" and use the same platform. VW Group has Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini and Bentley on the same platform for their major SUVs and they don't drive the same way. They may kind of look a similar size and height and such but the suspension calibrations and steering feel and road and noise insulation and so many more things are brand specific and modified to each brand. So a Zeekr001 does not necessarily drive like a European spec-d Polestar 4. they may handle, ride differently and have different levels of isolation. They may look somewhat alike, but that doesn't mean they are alike. The interior detailing is on a similar framework but the detailing and execution also is different. A Polestar 4 is still a Polestar and Zeekr is a Zeekr and what that feel and drive is like is still kind of being defined whereas Polestar is firm and sports oriented. From what I've read, Zeekr's drive a lot "softer" than Volvos or Polestars. There's a Lotus car too, the Emeya that is based on the 001 but it's a lot more sophisticated with a lot more performance. And it's tuned by Lotus. Also, like VW, Geely is a group and a brand. Geely Auto is different from Geely Group. Geely Auto designs and makes Geely Auto cars like VW designs and makes VW brand cars. But Geely Group, or ZGH, owns different brands and some may make their own cars or use Geely factories but have different teams of people in respective brands designing, engineering certain things, and spec'ing the cars. It's not like Geely makes all these cars and puts different brands on essentially a Geely Auto car. Geely actually is a great owner in that they don't interfere with the brands that much and while there is synergy and sharing, each brand has a good amount of autonomy to make their own style and feel of vehicles.
@ndukasmith Don't read my post if you don't like them. Making some stupid, uninformed ad hominem attacks on me says more about you than it does what I write. A parent company doesn't change the heritage of a brand or the personnel or the location if they don't want to. So this idea that because some company buys another the nationality is changed is the purchased company is nonsense. Yamaha music division bought Bosendorfer piano company. Bosendorfer is still very much VIennese and not Japanese. They now have Yamaha's backing and marketing and are making new lines of pianos. And if you think I don't like Yamahas you're wrong. I have Yamaha pianos and love them. I like Bosendorfers. But they're different. And viva la difference.
Why are you so salty? Did Geely lay you off when they bought Volvo/Polestar? Geely approves the final product, so Polestar is a Chinese company. Apple has many Chinese engineers. Is Apple a Chinese company then? Pathetic!
@@bubuneowoo6161 Polestar is a Swedish company, not a Chinese company. Geely may approve it but Polestar is a company run by Thomas Ingenlath and Max Missoni and has the heritage of racing and designing Volvos, VWs and other cars in their portfolio. Geely doesn't run Polestar. They help fund them. Do you know anything about Polestar and their history and how they are run? Because if you did, you wouldn't call it a Chinese company. It's a Chinese owned company but that's not the same as a Chinese company. BYD is a Chinese company. NIO is a Chinese company. XPeng is a Chinese company. Lotus, Volvo, Polestar and London Cab are European companies with Geely as an excellent parent company. Why it is important that I call Polestar a Swedish company? Because that's a part of the product. The design, the tuning of the car, the emphasis on sustainability, and that they're a Volvo offshoot is what defines their product. If there's Volvo and it was owned by another company, there would be a Polestar under a different ownership .But there would be no Polestar within Geely. Because Polestar is born in Sweden and associated with Volvo and they're both Swedish, not Chinese.
@@bubuneowoo6161 And why the hell would I call Apple a Chinese company? It's a born in the USA company. If Apple gets bought by a Chinese company and that Chinese company continues to have Apple's headquarters in Cupertino and doesn't change the foundational company, they remain an American company. So your parallel makes no sense and I'm being consistent. Apple or any purchased company only changes nationalities if and only if they dissolve their headquarters operation and replaced them with a CEO and personnel assigned by the parent company would they then change nationalities. It's ridiculous to over and over call Volvo or Polestar Chinese when people don't do that with Jaguar or Land Rover and call them Indian nor do they do that with VW and call Lamborghinis German. And there's nothing Geely has done that shows they have any interest in making Volvo less Swedish than they've been or affiliated Polestar. So you guys keep repeating this nonsense that they're Chinese when they're not. They're Chinese owned. But the companies are still Swedish headquartered, have European personnel, are creating their own cars and writing their own software (the EX90 is delayed due to Volvo writing its own software), making their own inhouse motors, and still are fairly autonomous in the Geely Group. Also, I regard Volvo Shanghai as part of Volvo Sweden in the same way Volvo California design center is part of Volvo Sweden. Sweden sets the guidelines for both design centers.
Is is cool to have separate AC and DC charging ports in Zeekr 001. Are those owners using adaptors for DC charging with this car in Almaty since car came with GB/T Chinese standard and in Kazakhstan the CCS2 is used like in Europe? Is the front port a Type 2 connector?
My cousin is married to a very sweet , and pretty Kazakhstani lady. Cool to know u have taken OOS Guide internationally!. Good video Max, keep it up. This car's interior seems like it is a n imitation of the MODEL S, which I'd stick to all day.
I’m very interested in the upcoming P4 from Polestar, when introduced in the US. It’s very unfortunate for the US consumer, that the US has restricted (large import duty charges) EV imports, made in other countries (not just China). It’s the American consumer that loses.
Doubt it. If someone like Electric Viking says so he doesn't know what he's talking about. Volvo doesn't even sell Polestars and Polestar is a direct offshoot from Volvo. Volvo services Polestars. If Zeekrs come to the USA, which I doubt anytime soon, they'll have to establish their own dealership or stores and probably service centers.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Actually, you are wrong there. Here in my country there are non-official dealers, they are auto importers, and Volvo is selling Polestar as well. They will sell anything withing the Auto Importer Group. Same is happening in the US in many states. Check all the vids from Out of Spec Reviews, when Kyle mentions the different groups he has worked with. Like DGDG etc.
the reason why these cars might not compete in the long-term is price. people don't understand the game Tesla is playing. they can easily make their cars expensive but how many people can afford it?
US has a 27% tariff on China goods, which makes the Polestar uncompetitive price wise. With that in there, China cars aren’t going to make a splash here.
No it doesn't. Polestars are expensive cars. Polestars (for now) are built in China but it is a Swedish company that is an offshoot of Volvo. The Polestar 3 will be built in the USA and cost $80,000 plus. That's a bit more than a Volvo EX90 because it is more sports oriented. Polestar Volvos have been available to buy for over a decade and they always costs more than Volvos because of the sports tuning. Polestars are essentially Volvo cars with a (somewhat) different styling and sportier. They are run by ex Volvo designers and engineers. Polestar is not a Chinese originated company. They're a Swedish originated racing company purchased and brought into Volvo Cars as their sports skunk works and then bought by Volvo Cars who was bought by Ford and then sold to Geely Holding. btw, the Polestar 4 will be built in South Korea starting in 2025 or so. Polestar may also build cars in Slovakia in a few years in Volvo factories. Volvo will defund Polestar soon but still will jointly develop cars with them, share safety and design and engineering personnel, and service Polestars at some of their dealerships.
US automakers are lobbying to have the same tariff apply to Chinese car makers trying the Mexico gambit. And the ex30 SEA2 platform econobox is quite meh (canceling my reservation).
Your content seems OK, your knowledge of what’s available outside of the states is improving. However, do you understand why Americans don’t receive the choices that other countries and continents have available? As an owner of 3 Model 3’s, the first being built in America was poor at best, the second one (made in China, with American tooling) had significantly better build quality and the latest one, still built in China is better built than any American spec Tesla’s.
Max has relatives in Kasakhstan, who would have thought!? Hopefully they don't belong to the communist party since they drive a "Chinese EV" But all joking aside, great Video!
Cars like this should terrify Tesla and spur them to improve because they make them look veeery dated (as a Tesla owner). This is similar cost of the model 3/Y. Minimalism for them has turned into cost cutting at the customers expense and even removal of features. Literally the only thing they lead in now is FSD but it’s never likely to get certified for level 3 and higher because Tesla will NEVER take liability for it. Releasing features like ambient lighting on model Y on China only shows how much they take the American consumer for granted. Elon at this points needs trade barriers and tariffs to stay competitive, otherwise the Chinese would rapidly build out a charging network to rival Tesla and flood the market with cheaper, better value cars.
Ah! The "I'm *really* a Tesla owner. (Honest!!)" FUD representative is here!.... When will you (all?) understand that "this should terrify Tesla" is simply not a realistic position? . "This should terrify " . WHEN and ONLY when those others have either been despatched to the "former manufacturer " graveyard, or actually make consistent, sustainable profit from a compelling product, THEN there might be a "comparison" to Tesla. And they still won't be "Terrified". . Ref Elon Musk: 2019 "If somebody comes and makes a better electric car than Tesla, so much better than ours that we can’t sell our cars and we go bankrupt, I still think that’s a good thing for the world" . That's not even close. . Even WHEN a few companies emerge, consider the market. How many vehicles? Let's say that at least for a period it's similar to the ICE car market, in excess of 60 million? . WHY would Tesla be "Terrified"? They could achieve their ambition of 20 million, be DOUBLE the size of any current ICE brand and STILL leave plenty of meat for others. . That being said, you also haven't considered "Geopolitics". Certain brands (possibly) won't be welcome in certain regions, restricting their markets. . Then there's infrastructure. *Tesla is building the system, not just cars* . Those companies will be using that infrastructure (and NOT just chargers, but stored (Tesla) energy) . As for China "building out a charging network in the US" . You do know there are just about the same number of Tesla charge locations in *China* and in the US? . FSD Why won't they get certified? . Mercedes did, and the Tesla system is ALREADY demonstrably more comprehensive (I mean, come on Mercedes, 40mph, on a highway, in good weather, with a car to follow....? 😂😂😂) .
Nah...cars like this scare the legacy automakers...who will go bankrupt. Tesla is likely one of the only non-Chinese who will make it. Kia/Hyundai too. The Germans will consolidate. Ford may last in a tiny form.
@@rogerstarkey5390do grow up. I like my MYLR but it’s pretty utilitarian and lacking in features, in reality. Features that matter far more to me and the 81% of Tesla owners that don’t subscribe to FSD or EAP. Things like CarPlay, a bumper cam, a functioning 360 view. Seats that aren’t made of cheap vinyl? Liability is the key differentiator between Tesla and Mercedes Level 3, DrivePilot might seem less capable, but it is far more consistent and its behaviour around emergency vehicles has been properly thought through. When Tesla agrees to take liability of FSD crashes or malfunctions, then it might be at the same level. Both are only properly available on Californian roads because that’s what FSD is currently concentrating on. More recently, as he says in the video, Elon has changed his tune. He said in January this year on the earnings call: “Frankly, I think, if there are not trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other companies in the world” so those are his words I’m paraphrasing. He also said that Tesla’s margins have dropped to 15.5% so Tesla is not too far removed from any other auto maker (Mercedes is 13.44% by comparison) and they need to take the threat of Chinese competition very seriously and focus on their next gen vehicle, improving range and features meaningfully and stop focussing on vanity projects like the truck nobody outside of social media actually wants. Making their products do what they’re sold as doing would be a good start, like EAP’s features that have been broken and missing since the start of 2023, the still terribly lacking black and white parking system and the rain detection which doesn’t work. What would actually spur demand would be Tesla working more with the insurance industry so it doesn’t cost more to insure the car than the actual car payment. Tesla could do a lot here by reducing the cost of battery replacement and more available spare parts as insurers have told me directly that this is exactly why they are priced the same to insure as a Porsche.
@@robinisathakuryes. I kinda wish Tesla had pushed back the CT and focused on the “2” - a product more suited to a higher interest rate environment. I think the CT turned out to be more expensive to build than they thought.
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Zeekr is a Chinese/Swedish joint venture. The Zeekr001 was designed in Sweden and is part of CEVT which means Chinese European Vehicle Technology. CEVT is a Swedish company and Zeekr's headquarters is in China but there is both European and Chinese engineering in this car. This car is actually the basis for the Lotus sedan and BEV and the Polestar 4. And the Zeekr009 is the basis for the Volvo EM90. However, most Volvo and Polestars are based on Volvo's framework.
@ndukasmith Journalist should post information. Saying Zeekr is Chinese is not giving the whole situation of what they are. It's the auto journalist that should do their homework better and say what these cars are. They are not just Chinese. They are both Chinese and Swedish.
Volvo wasn't bankrupt and all I'm saying is Volvo is still essentially a Swedish brand with a Chinese parent. Geely hasn't made them "Chinese" like some people think. I've never, ever said that Chinese aren't capable of making great products or, like some Westerners say, copy and don't innovate. I think that's BS and that Chinese do innovate. So you're talking out of your ass.
Geely has been a fantastic parent company and partner for Volvo
@@godofdun Absolutely.
Great Job Max!!!
To those who don’t like EV so don’t want our government and companies investing in it, I say that will be conceding a huge market and probably eventually mean the end of our car industry as we won’t be able to compete. We have to think more long term, which isn’t really long term at this point. The Chinese are coming and they’ll figure a way of getting the cars here so that they are cheap. I don’t follow Chinese vehicle closely as I’m more interested in what I can buy, but I know they are having a big impact in Europe..
Love to hear about EVs from all over the world
I'm going to try to post it again. Since it was deleted. I said that Saying that "Chinese EVs like this are leading outside the US" (especially for the title). I would say that that is not accurate at all. First of all, Zeekr is just starting, they are new to the market, so they can't lead anything yet. However, if you say that "Chinese EVs are leading outside the States" I would say, yes, of course. Especially for cheaper brands like BYD or MG...etc.
BYD has a range. Some are inexpensive, some aren't. They also are making an upscale brand that eventually may go beyond China. MG so far are fairly inexpensive. But there are nice expensive Chinese cars from XPeng and Nio and others as well that are competitive as cars.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Sure, many brands have a range of vehicles they offer. But for the time being Zeekr is a premium brand, same as Xpeng and Nio. Additionally, I think it's too soon to assume they can lead. However, they have a great potential to succeed. I definitely see them surpassing Tesla in certain markets very soon.
@ndukasmith
Errr.... It's bringing "Reality" rather than speculation.
Good point. The Zeekr 001 dominates Asia in that segment but the value brands are really what’s scaring Europe. Would love to look at a Seal or similar model given the opportunity. Also your comment wasn’t deleted or censored lol - we had to reupload the video due to a technical issue.
@@iMaxPatten Hi Max, thanks for the comment. I do apologize, I was basically blaming RUclips for that haha. Thanks for the aclaration. Have a good day.
Again, I love that OOS brings us outside the States with them. Thanks for the subs!
Screw it, if Legacy automakers in the United States won't do it, let China make them. They're more affordable and have more experience and most importantly they will stand by their product instead of ending the lease and crushing them all or purposefully make bad cars to get people to assume they're all bad.
I admire Max, obviously living in the USA from very young age, still is managing to speak Russian. For a country like Kazakhstan Russian language is still pertinent even somebody like Max' mom cousin might have been able to converse in local Kazakh language.
Pretty sure your title was clickbait, but it should read, "BYD puts all other Chinese EV automakers out of business!" because that is what is currently happening in China. As long as Tesla is profitable they aren't worried about other non-profitable EV automakers regardless of how good their cars are. FACTS!
People need to not mistake a Polestar 4 for a Zeekr because they both are "owned by Geely" and use the same platform. VW Group has Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini and Bentley on the same platform for their major SUVs and they don't drive the same way. They may kind of look a similar size and height and such but the suspension calibrations and steering feel and road and noise insulation and so many more things are brand specific and modified to each brand. So a Zeekr001 does not necessarily drive like a European spec-d Polestar 4. they may handle, ride differently and have different levels of isolation. They may look somewhat alike, but that doesn't mean they are alike. The interior detailing is on a similar framework but the detailing and execution also is different. A Polestar 4 is still a Polestar and Zeekr is a Zeekr and what that feel and drive is like is still kind of being defined whereas Polestar is firm and sports oriented. From what I've read, Zeekr's drive a lot "softer" than Volvos or Polestars. There's a Lotus car too, the Emeya that is based on the 001 but it's a lot more sophisticated with a lot more performance. And it's tuned by Lotus.
Also, like VW, Geely is a group and a brand. Geely Auto is different from Geely Group. Geely Auto designs and makes Geely Auto cars like VW designs and makes VW brand cars. But Geely Group, or ZGH, owns different brands and some may make their own cars or use Geely factories but have different teams of people in respective brands designing, engineering certain things, and spec'ing the cars. It's not like Geely makes all these cars and puts different brands on essentially a Geely Auto car. Geely actually is a great owner in that they don't interfere with the brands that much and while there is synergy and sharing, each brand has a good amount of autonomy to make their own style and feel of vehicles.
You are correct. Every brand offers their design language, philosophy and quality. They always try to differentiate from each other.
@ndukasmith Don't read my post if you don't like them. Making some stupid, uninformed ad hominem attacks on me says more about you than it does what I write.
A parent company doesn't change the heritage of a brand or the personnel or the location if they don't want to. So this idea that because some company buys another the nationality is changed is the purchased company is nonsense. Yamaha music division bought Bosendorfer piano company. Bosendorfer is still very much VIennese and not Japanese. They now have Yamaha's backing and marketing and are making new lines of pianos. And if you think I don't like Yamahas you're wrong. I have Yamaha pianos and love them. I like Bosendorfers. But they're different. And viva la difference.
Why are you so salty? Did Geely lay you off when they bought Volvo/Polestar? Geely approves the final product, so Polestar is a Chinese company. Apple has many Chinese engineers. Is Apple a Chinese company then? Pathetic!
@@bubuneowoo6161 Polestar is a Swedish company, not a Chinese company. Geely may approve it but Polestar is a company run by Thomas Ingenlath and Max Missoni and has the heritage of racing and designing Volvos, VWs and other cars in their portfolio. Geely doesn't run Polestar. They help fund them.
Do you know anything about Polestar and their history and how they are run? Because if you did, you wouldn't call it a Chinese company. It's a Chinese owned company but that's not the same as a Chinese company. BYD is a Chinese company. NIO is a Chinese company. XPeng is a Chinese company. Lotus, Volvo, Polestar and London Cab are European companies with Geely as an excellent parent company.
Why it is important that I call Polestar a Swedish company? Because that's a part of the product. The design, the tuning of the car, the emphasis on sustainability, and that they're a Volvo offshoot is what defines their product. If there's Volvo and it was owned by another company, there would be a Polestar under a different ownership .But there would be no Polestar within Geely. Because Polestar is born in Sweden and associated with Volvo and they're both Swedish, not Chinese.
@@bubuneowoo6161 And why the hell would I call Apple a Chinese company? It's a born in the USA company. If Apple gets bought by a Chinese company and that Chinese company continues to have Apple's headquarters in Cupertino and doesn't change the foundational company, they remain an American company. So your parallel makes no sense and I'm being consistent.
Apple or any purchased company only changes nationalities if and only if they dissolve their headquarters operation and replaced them with a CEO and personnel assigned by the parent company would they then change nationalities. It's ridiculous to over and over call Volvo or Polestar Chinese when people don't do that with Jaguar or Land Rover and call them Indian nor do they do that with VW and call Lamborghinis German. And there's nothing Geely has done that shows they have any interest in making Volvo less Swedish than they've been or affiliated Polestar. So you guys keep repeating this nonsense that they're Chinese when they're not. They're Chinese owned. But the companies are still Swedish headquartered, have European personnel, are creating their own cars and writing their own software (the EX90 is delayed due to Volvo writing its own software), making their own inhouse motors, and still are fairly autonomous in the Geely Group. Also, I regard Volvo Shanghai as part of Volvo Sweden in the same way Volvo California design center is part of Volvo Sweden. Sweden sets the guidelines for both design centers.
Hi Max!!! Good to see you. Great content.
Great to see what EV companies outside of the US are doing.
Is is cool to have separate AC and DC charging ports in Zeekr 001.
Are those owners using adaptors for DC charging with this car in Almaty since car came with GB/T Chinese standard and in Kazakhstan the CCS2 is used like in Europe? Is the front port a Type 2 connector?
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My cousin is married to a very sweet , and pretty Kazakhstani lady. Cool to know u have taken OOS Guide internationally!. Good video Max, keep it up. This car's interior seems like it is a n imitation of the MODEL S, which I'd stick to all day.
I’m very interested in the upcoming P4 from Polestar, when introduced in the US. It’s very unfortunate for the US consumer, that the US has restricted (large import duty charges) EV imports, made in other countries (not just China). It’s the American consumer that loses.
I could totally see them entering the US by building the Zeekr X at the Volvo plant in the US.
I love when OOS shows real owner experiences.
My favorite Vehicle can't wait to drive one in the USA. Hoping that Volvo dealers will sell them.
Doubt it. If someone like Electric Viking says so he doesn't know what he's talking about. Volvo doesn't even sell Polestars and Polestar is a direct offshoot from Volvo. Volvo services Polestars. If Zeekrs come to the USA, which I doubt anytime soon, they'll have to establish their own dealership or stores and probably service centers.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Actually, you are wrong there. Here in my country there are non-official dealers, they are auto importers, and Volvo is selling Polestar as well. They will sell anything withing the Auto Importer Group. Same is happening in the US in many states. Check all the vids from Out of Spec Reviews, when Kyle mentions the different groups he has worked with. Like DGDG etc.
the reason why these cars might not compete in the long-term is price. people don't understand the game Tesla is playing. they can easily make their cars expensive but how many people can afford it?
I would get this Zeekr if it’s offered in the US. I plan to trade in my P*2 for P*4 when it’s available, but the no back window is an issue with me.
They also have a 4th model released late last year, the Zeekr 007 Sedan
Khorosho sdelano, Maksim!
More of a hatchback, not a wagon/estate which have a flat rear like a SUV
14:10 Zeekr isn't taking over Europe. And the software is not ready nor reliable according to the owners.
US has a 27% tariff on China goods, which makes the Polestar uncompetitive price wise. With that in there, China cars aren’t going to make a splash here.
There will be workarounds. See what they’re pulling off with the ex30 and the duty drawback program
They’ll start building them in Mexico to avoid US tariffs (like the ex30).
Yep, the one thing they’re trying is building some in US to offset.
I can’t wait for you to compare the 4 with this once they’re available!
No it doesn't. Polestars are expensive cars. Polestars (for now) are built in China but it is a Swedish company that is an offshoot of Volvo. The Polestar 3 will be built in the USA and cost $80,000 plus. That's a bit more than a Volvo EX90 because it is more sports oriented. Polestar Volvos have been available to buy for over a decade and they always costs more than Volvos because of the sports tuning. Polestars are essentially Volvo cars with a (somewhat) different styling and sportier. They are run by ex Volvo designers and engineers. Polestar is not a Chinese originated company. They're a Swedish originated racing company purchased and brought into Volvo Cars as their sports skunk works and then bought by Volvo Cars who was bought by Ford and then sold to Geely Holding.
btw, the Polestar 4 will be built in South Korea starting in 2025 or so. Polestar may also build cars in Slovakia in a few years in Volvo factories. Volvo will defund Polestar soon but still will jointly develop cars with them, share safety and design and engineering personnel, and service Polestars at some of their dealerships.
US automakers are lobbying to have the same tariff apply to Chinese car makers trying the Mexico gambit. And the ex30 SEA2 platform econobox is quite meh (canceling my reservation).
Max, cool you speak Kazakastani. I used to speak french but have forgotten it.
Russian actually! I don’t speak any Kazakh :(
@@iMaxPatten Russian. Okay. Awesome.
@@iMaxPatten That's awesome. I wasn't picturing as Russian at all.
Max, the naming is 001 = zero zero one. Not just one. Geely companies Polestar has the 1, Lync&Co 01, Zeekr 001, Smart #1.
Your content seems OK, your knowledge of what’s available outside of the states is improving. However, do you understand why Americans don’t receive the choices that other countries and continents have available? As an owner of 3 Model 3’s, the first being built in America was poor at best, the second one (made in China, with American tooling) had significantly better build quality and the latest one, still built in China is better built than any American spec Tesla’s.
Nice!Looking forward to my Polestar4.
Max has relatives in Kasakhstan, who would have thought!? Hopefully they don't belong to the communist party since they drive a "Chinese EV" But all joking aside, great Video!
Not Sold in the US. Why????
Huge import tariff, to encourage them building factories here (and allow US manufacturers to drag their feet for another decade).
US want V8’s
Tesla is #1 EV in Canada. Polestar is far behind. I don’t believe no other Chinese cars sold in Canada.
Max, does it have a frunk?
Invasion. You probably cannot say that without putting family in danger. I feel fort you.
BYD rules
Cars like this should terrify Tesla and spur them to improve because they make them look veeery dated (as a Tesla owner). This is similar cost of the model 3/Y. Minimalism for them has turned into cost cutting at the customers expense and even removal of features. Literally the only thing they lead in now is FSD but it’s never likely to get certified for level 3 and higher because Tesla will NEVER take liability for it. Releasing features like ambient lighting on model Y on China only shows how much they take the American consumer for granted. Elon at this points needs trade barriers and tariffs to stay competitive, otherwise the Chinese would rapidly build out a charging network to rival Tesla and flood the market with cheaper, better value cars.
Ah! The "I'm *really* a Tesla owner. (Honest!!)" FUD representative is here!....
When will you (all?) understand that "this should terrify Tesla" is simply not a realistic position?
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"This should terrify "
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WHEN and ONLY when those others have either been despatched to the "former manufacturer " graveyard, or actually make consistent, sustainable profit from a compelling product, THEN there might be a "comparison" to Tesla.
And they still won't be "Terrified".
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Ref Elon Musk: 2019
"If somebody comes and makes a better electric car than Tesla, so much better than ours that we can’t sell our cars and we go bankrupt, I still think that’s a good thing for the world"
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That's not even close.
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Even WHEN a few companies emerge, consider the market.
How many vehicles?
Let's say that at least for a period it's similar to the ICE car market, in excess of 60 million?
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WHY would Tesla be "Terrified"?
They could achieve their ambition of 20 million, be DOUBLE the size of any current ICE brand and STILL leave plenty of meat for others.
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That being said, you also haven't considered "Geopolitics".
Certain brands (possibly) won't be welcome in certain regions, restricting their markets.
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Then there's infrastructure.
*Tesla is building the system, not just cars*
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Those companies will be using that infrastructure (and NOT just chargers, but stored (Tesla) energy)
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As for China "building out a charging network in the US"
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You do know there are just about the same number of Tesla charge locations in *China* and in the US?
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FSD
Why won't they get certified?
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Mercedes did, and the Tesla system is ALREADY demonstrably more comprehensive (I mean, come on Mercedes, 40mph, on a highway, in good weather, with a car to follow....? 😂😂😂)
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Nah...cars like this scare the legacy automakers...who will go bankrupt. Tesla is likely one of the only non-Chinese who will make it. Kia/Hyundai too. The Germans will consolidate. Ford may last in a tiny form.
@@rogerstarkey5390do grow up. I like my MYLR but it’s pretty utilitarian and lacking in features, in reality. Features that matter far more to me and the 81% of Tesla owners that don’t subscribe to FSD or EAP. Things like CarPlay, a bumper cam, a functioning 360 view. Seats that aren’t made of cheap vinyl?
Liability is the key differentiator between Tesla and Mercedes Level 3, DrivePilot might seem less capable, but it is far more consistent and its behaviour around emergency vehicles has been properly thought through. When Tesla agrees to take liability of FSD crashes or malfunctions, then it might be at the same level. Both are only properly available on Californian roads because that’s what FSD is currently concentrating on.
More recently, as he says in the video, Elon has changed his tune. He said in January this year on the earnings call: “Frankly, I think, if there are not trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other companies in the world” so those are his words I’m paraphrasing. He also said that Tesla’s margins have dropped to 15.5% so Tesla is not too far removed from any other auto maker (Mercedes is 13.44% by comparison) and they need to take the threat of Chinese competition very seriously and focus on their next gen vehicle, improving range and features meaningfully and stop focussing on vanity projects like the truck nobody outside of social media actually wants.
Making their products do what they’re sold as doing would be a good start, like EAP’s features that have been broken and missing since the start of 2023, the still terribly lacking black and white parking system and the rain detection which doesn’t work.
What would actually spur demand would be Tesla working more with the insurance industry so it doesn’t cost more to insure the car than the actual car payment. Tesla could do a lot here by reducing the cost of battery replacement and more available spare parts as insurers have told me directly that this is exactly why they are priced the same to insure as a Porsche.
@@robinisathakuryes. I kinda wish Tesla had pushed back the CT and focused on the “2” - a product more suited to a higher interest rate environment. I think the CT turned out to be more expensive to build than they thought.
You don’t speak British? Child, it’s called English. A universal language, used by all international airline pilots, as one example. Do you say you speak American? 🤔
How many sold in North America?
Zero
Grammar check please
Are you originally from Kazakhstan?
Sales figures would tell you otherwise.
I don’t mean just this specific car. I mean the Chinese auto industry as a whole
TESLA model Y was #1 CAR sold in 2023 WORLDWIDE.
Zeeker is not even Competing.
McDonalds sold more burgers in 2023 WORLDWIDE. Doesn't mean they any good.
@@bob-qi4nr - TESLA has most SATISFIED customers, and Vehicle RELIABILITY.
FORD has worst RECALLS/Repairs.
@@markplott4820 Who cares. Get a life. Don't forget to zip up Elon's pants while you are at it.
TESLA MYP. DRIVE HARD AND RECHARGE !!!
Shame, what a lying headline. You just lose all of your credibility. Do better, research
British isn't a language. You are speaking English.
It’s a joke 😅
@@iMaxPattenA British joke to be precise 😂