ACTUALLY IF we are all thinking logically These lemmings where sitting on their laurels and the DODGERS CAME IN like a hurricane even after winning the CHIP. You would think their organization will actually wake up but they stayed asleep while the DODGERS FRONT OFFICE kept churning and now they looking for a villain. Wake the F up
@@SpitballinCards ruined is a "strong" word but you had no problem using it for the title calling out the Dodgers lol Fanatics and Panini have brought this hobby down a lot more than up.
I was born a few years after the big red machine, but i still can name the majority of the lineup. This dodgers team may be simular to the 70s reds. Rose, Bench, Morgan = Othanti, Betts, Freeman.
The problem is not the Dodgers signing every one, it's teams like the Mariners not wanting to spend to make their team better. Every fan base deserves what the Dodgers are doing. These players all want to go to LA. Who can blame them. If anything, incentives need to be put in place and maybe even a salary floor to encourage (force) teams to spend money. A salary cap would solve nothing.
Thank you and agree 100%. A salary cap does nothing to address the real issue. Too many teams with rich billionaire owners that refuse to spend to make their teams better. A salary floor would definitely change things and force these cheap owners to have to spend.
Chris here - Agreed! My braves spent the start of the off season dumping bad contracts (Soler) and watching high dollar guys like Fried go elsewhere. They should have money to spend. Currently way under last year's budget. But they've done NOTHING with no explanation. Same with Seattle - great example. What gives?????
I think the key question here is does the team owners care. Why spend money and lose when you can not spend money to lose. These small market team owners are getting millions and millions each year just for their team to miss the playoffs. These small market same issue is in the NFL where the bottom teams don’t care about winning when the owners are on their 100m yacht.
Cannot compare the NFL to MLB. The difference between the lowest and highest spending team was only 37 million dollars. The NFL system is king and thats why the NFL is King
Great show guys. And I agree with most of what you guys said: its not bad to have Super Teams in any sport and someone to cheer against, diferred money needs to go, playoff baseball is a crap-shoot, and really these big market teams can literally buy themselves into the post-season. Lost in the discussion is the local TV deals. For example, the Dodgers have a $8 billion/25 year deal. That is $330 million/year where teams like the Brewers and Twins continue to get less and less for there TV deals. It is estimated that last year, each was around $35-$40 million and goind down more this year. This is where baseball and the commish need to step up. They need to find a way to get these teams some kind of deal or the 23-24 owners that are in this boat with have a shut down next year. This happenned in a hockey a number of years ago and non of us want to have no baseball. Until next time....
The only solution really is that more of the regional team money needs to be shared around. But some teams own their own networks as well and that would complicate matters. If the league is able to increase revenue sharing it will certainly have to come with caveats and spending requirements for teams on the receiving end. That money CANNOT just go into ownership's pockets.
CORRECTION Not many teams have won the World Series. And because you said omit enjoy the DODGERS domination. They have the best organization fan base and CHIP on their shoulder. If you want let swager on pay pal it will be fun…
@@Philmington 2020 counted whether or not you agree with it. I would have said the same thing if ANY other team had won it. The Asterisk belongs to the 17 Astros
@@SpitballinCards That's petty. I'm sorry to hear that. I had thought all employees got to receive one. I think in 1988 I had heard everyone did but maybe I'm mistaken
Hi, my name is Henry lopez, a dodger fan, a mlb story telling fan. i hope you allow me to give a suggestion. Freddie, when he came back to play after his son, this past season, the crowd and dodger community welcomed him back. the org treats people like human beings not just an analytical object for profit, rather, grateful for the opportunity to be blessed. nothing is guarantee, especially in baseball. injuries, life changing events, etc. take care, and may you have a blessed day. -Henry lopez (unofficially Pedraza- in honor of my grandma)
My Cubs are a joke. I swear they purposely finish second in negotiation talks with players so that they can go back to their fans and lie and say they are trying. If they were being serious, they would lock up Kyle Tucker right now. Despite being a top 5 market, the Cubs largest contract they have ever given was to Jason Hayward (184 mil) next is Dansby Swanson 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
so ...instead of pushing the envelope, you'd rather have MLB with it's small ratings just stay where it is to appease small market fans around the US? No shit that spending doesn't guarantee a title ...but it does improve their chances. Rather be their fan instead of a Pirates fan where nothing will change even if you put in a salary cap. I applaud the Jays while everyone else is mocking them. At least they are going for it and trying to improve their brand.
What’s ruining card collecting is same thing that did in the 90s, too many sets, too much false scarcity, non player worn patches, sticker autos, last but not least more investors than collectors raising prices of certain cards/products. The last piece to fall is product on the field, whether that be the Dodgers or other franchise making the season a done deal to kill fan interest or more likely a dilution in the talent of young players. In 90s the on field issues were a combination of the strike, then the steroids and many young players that people invested in not panning out.
You forgot endless fake chase hits, fake relics and ridiculous name after name of sets. And stupid new player after stupid new player. It’s the collector that is the idiot.
What you’re saying about baseball being a “crap shoot” in the playoffs is true, but the Dodgers are assured a chance over and over again. While small markets get to be viable for one or two shots. They get to play more hands at the table. Probably better for baseball as a whole though to get global eyes on them and have a villain to root against, but honestly they do have good guys on their team that make it hard to root against them like Teapot said. And I don’t hate the premier league / champions league or whatever that it’s called idea as a Guardians fan.
Jeff here: great post! Yes, it’s all about the opportunities to get to the playoffs. The Dodgers window is wide open, while small market teams have much smaller windows to compete before they lose their better players to bigger markets.
The problem is not the Dodgers. The problem is every other team that cries and does nothing to invest and develop to achieve greatness like the Dodgers do.
The problem here is that every team does this but the amount of money the dodgers can spend gives them an advantage at every turn. In every way. Dodgers have more to invest. They can go over slot on draft picks that have slipped because of bonus demands. Dodgers sign a guy and the contract is a dud? Doesn't matter. In 2024, they spent $42mil on Chris Taylor, Heywrad, Kelly, Paxton, and Kershaw. They just wrote those off. For Small market or some mid market teams, that would kill their season.
It's crazy that Sasaki is PPI eligible and could win the Dodgers a high draft pick. They need to change that incentive as it was designed to encourage teams to play their young talent. Players should have to have been in their teams minor league system for at least a couple of years, or become ineligible if they have years of experience in NPB or KBO.
Of course!! When it seems like only one team can afford to sign the best players, it's incredibly frustrating. I mean, the best FA filter through the Dodgers and NY teams before the other squads even have a chance.
Braves are ruining baseball by low balling players and signing them before they get a chance for the Dodgers to sign them. Like the great Vin Scully would say…ITS TIIIIIME FOR DODGER BASEBAAAAALL!
MLB needs a Salary Cap. Even playing field, smarter transactions and wont push casual fans away who don't like the Dodgers..you ruin baseball for people and baseball cards dropping will be the fallout.
This is bad for baseball. A league where one team is a global all-star team, and half a dozen teams are fielding minor league rosters is bad. Fans will stop going to White Sox, A's games etc. Why would anyone watch Dodgers vs Rockies on television? This will be bad for baseball.
If you look past the names, it doesn't matter. Players get hurt (even star players). Good teams on paper rarely have multiple championships, as attrition is a very real thing. Yamamoto wasn't super great last year and was hurt, so was Kershaw and Freddie Freeman, but he gutted it out.
The White Sox, Marlins, As are all terrible for baseball. The commissioner seems to have forced the A;s to spend, but I'd love to see him take the team away from that owner. Same with Miami.
As much as I don’t like the Dodgers doing what they are doing and the same teams winning all the time…I can’t bring myself to hate on them or root totally against simply because the guys they have seem to be just great people. How does one hate or villify Mookie betts, Freddie freeman, Ohtani, etc? You really can’t. They play the right way, are awesome to community/fans/etc. what’s not to like?
Italian Soccer gives a better analogy: Series A and Series B (and Series C and D). The A teams compete against each other, the B teams compete against each other, etc. The worst A teams get kicked down to Series B the next season, the best B teams go up to Series A the next season. I live in Bergamo and the local team, Atalanta, for many years was always oscillating between the two leagues because they were best of B and worst of A. Past 7 years or so though they got a ton of investment and have been consistently Series A.
@@SpitballinCardsexonomic disparity? Do you know how much the owners of this BASEBALL team are taking home??? You mist have forgotten they also get tax breaks implications plus subsidies from their local government with their stadium. Just admit it since your title said STUPID DODGER… NO ITS YOUR TEAMS ARE STUPID for falling asleep on the WHEEL
It's not a battle between 2 stakeholders. It's a battle between owners, players and the most important stakeholder, the fans. A regular guy who wants to take his family to a game often can't afford it anymore. This is the players' fault.
Players association would never allow for a cap. Why would you want to protect these billionaire owners and their wallets? You should promote the players and empower them, not the owners.
I don't buy very expensive cards but it seems only Ohtani's RC's jumped in price and held after the WS. Mookie & Freeman have shrunk back to what they were last off season. For example, now, a Ohtani heritage is $50 instead of $30 raw. But Mookie & Freddie's 1st bowman chrome are still $20. So maybe Ohtani will steal all the glory, even if he doesn't perform in the post season.
I love the idea of relegation in professional sports - it’ll never happen, for all the reasons y’all said - but talk about a great way to force some of these Pro Sports owners to compete. Hit’em where it hurts, right in the pocket book. Also, Scott, Cubs Owner is Tom Ricketts.
Given how dependent soorts cards are presently on breaks, I am curious to any long term effects on those markets. The Dodgers seem likely to be a very expensive team this year, as they were last year, and likely in the future (especially if they can get Betts to sign). We know with RCs teams have expensive and cheap years but i wonder if break prices and wax prices will ice out Dodger fans and possibly other teams might get the shaft on getting desirable cards produced. If the Dodgers represent 30% of the case hit inserts, top autos, and key cards, it makes them prohibitively pricy and other teams boring and not cheap enough to justify
Good show guys 👍 Its no shock horror the best available players want to go to a Legacy Franchise with a great roster. Any sport any time in history this happens. The Dodgers understanding and ultilising the rules to get potentially the best player in history of sport is top tier level management and also shows the way to pther owners look at ehat you can do. Balls in other teams court now time will tell how they respond. And never underestimate the aspect of KO rounds in any sport upsets always happen. If it was a true league like Premier league the viewing figures would be down not up if they were s far ahead of other teams in overall points and winning it every year. So many aspects to sports games/seasons are unpredictable and thats why many people watch them.
Good points, and I'm very curious why so many teams this winter have done next to nohting. It's strange. WHy did Texas let Yates leave? He was good for them! Wasnt going to be crazy expensive. I don;t know whats going on and I don't like it.
There definitely has to be an international draft. The Japanese team beat us in the baseball classic and their team that’s better than americas best is just a feeder system now to the dodgers. It’s insane.
Baseball is a business!! they're all playing by the rules!! And if it's a business, you invest in your business and put the best product out there for your consumer the fans!! This is the beauty of capitalism if you don't like it, Get pissed at your owners!! And take a playbook from the Dodgers front office... while others are playing checkers. The Dodgers are playing chess!!
Scott here-I respect hockey and hockey fans, but I can truly say that I know literally nothing about it. No clue. Sorry for putting my foot in my mouth on it!😅
Scott mentioned the Jolly Olive I had to comment on a video of his in reference to Royce Lewis being MLB’s most clutch player about to break out I commented David Ortiz the player that comes to mind as most clutch player
If Mookie and Freeman’s batting average dips to .240 with less than 20 HRs, doesn’t mean as much if they win WS, cards will dip. Baseball is still an individual stats kinda sport and Trout, Bonds and Griffey prove that
I think that Trout proves exactly the opposite of the point that you are trying to make. Trout’s numbers are off of the charts-but his card prices have fallen off of a cliff. Part of that is due to the trajectory of his numbers declining due to injury and age-and part of that is due to the fact that one can’t really consider him to be the GOAT without playing any really meaningful baseball. As that reality has started setting in-his cards have dropped in value. Bonds carried baseball for a while with his 73 homerun season, and while he hasn’t won a World Series-he’s played a decent amount of meaningful baseball. While his publicity wasn’t always of the best type-he certainly had a bigger public presence than Trout (a guy that goes out of his way to be reclusive and stay out of the limelight). Dennis Rodman has a lot of negative publicity-but that publicity (even negative) does translate into popularity. Most non-baseball fans might have no idea who Mike Trout is-but they have probably heard the name Barry Bonds. Ken Griffey Jr is massively relevant. His 89 upper deck card is iconic, his nickname as “The Kid” gave him popularity, he arguably still has the sweetest swing in baseball, and a lot of people are familiar that he played with his father (the same way that people know that Lebron and Bronny played together). The point that I’m trying to make is that popularity, fan recognition and fan perception, cultural relevance, and time in the spotlight can all effect card value as much (and arguably more) than just pure statistics. Guys like Derek Jeter, and David Ortiz are also examples of this dynamic.
@ completely agree. Those are all good points and off field and “hot dog” relevance is a major contributor to card prices. One reason why I feel like bat flipping Tatis might still hold value over time. My point being that WS runs don’t solely determine card prices. Trout’s 3 MVPs will hold him relevant forever. All 12 players who have MVPs are legends. Might be a good opportunity to buy rare Trout.
@@bangers_sportscards I don’t disagree. I think Tatis is young enough and talented enough to overshadow his early transgressions. Also, the Padres should be good enough to play some meaningful baseball. I still view Trout as carrying a lot of risk when it comes to card values. While his prices have fallen dramatically-his cards are far from cheap. (By the way-i want to make clear that I’m not hating on Trout-he’s clearly an elite talent). With that said-I think that his “all time high” card prices coincided with Covid pricing mixed with the expectation that if he kept at the same pace of putting up elite numbers-he had a very strong chance of being considered the GOAT. Over the past several years-injuries have reduced his trajectories, lack of postseason play has eroded the argument--and the rise of Ohtani-who showed that he has elite speed, elite power, and elite pitching also hurt Trouts chances of being the GOAT. Lastly, the first time Ohtani made the postseason-he wins a ring. If Trout were to get hurt again-he’ll still go down as being an elite player-and a hall of famer-but people will remember him as being the “what could’ve been” guy. I don’t think his prices ever go as high as they were. I think they can go higher than they are now-but I do think they also could drop further if he gets hurt and the Angels continue to suck.
As a Brewers fan, it just feels like you can do everything right and you'll never win...you're just a farm system for the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees ect. It makes me not like the product as a whole. MLB needs to take over the entirety of TV rights like the NFL so that it can correctly share revenues among the teams and reasonably enact a floor.
Byan, I total feel your frustration. And i really like your solution. MLB takes over control of all TV revenue and disperses it evenly. After all, nobody is paying to watch the dodgers take batting practice - we pay to see the games. However, teams that own regional networks will have a serious problem with this plan - but i don't!!
@@Bryan45552 Yep. And the big teams can buy their way out of mistakes, small market teams are stuck with the bad contracts. And any window to compete is so short because you know you can’t keep a core together once free agency comes calling. Just sad.
haha yeaahh! All the jokes about the Dodgers being chokers turned into whining and crying about the Dodgers ruining baseball. I love it. The tears are so delicious! Go Dodgers!!
from the perspective of the other 29 teams, the "ohtani effect" is ruining baseball. his superstardom has created a tremendous machine. he generates so much money to afford all these contracts. the net result is every available player wants to sign with the dodgers. the dodgers are like secretariat at the belmont. 30 lengths ahead of the field.
Chris here - it's so dumb. I mean, I cant hate HIM. You can see how much it meant to him. But he just isn't a hall of famer. He wasn't good enough to pitch 1000 career innings! I mean, come on!
I think when they let Bruce Sutter in... it opened the door for a lot of "very good" relievers.... not greatest, which I thought the HOF was supposed to be about.
Talk about the deferred money, that’s the major issue I have, over a billion dollars in deferred money that doesn’t go against the luxury tax/salary. It’s ridiculous, they used afterpay to get these players, buy now pay later, Betts is not better than Jeter
The deferments are the part that bother me. There is no way they could sustain this spending without the deferments. I think there needs to be rules against deferments.
@ that’s the issue. It leads to larger salaries for the players and it benefits the owners who do use it. So I’m concerned that nothing will get done on the issue. I’m hoping they can see how detrimental it is to the competitive balance and at least cap. I don’t have a problem if they want to defer the money, I have a problem with it not counting toward the current day cap. No chance they could have realistically brought in Yamamoto, Snell, and others if they weren’t getting current day cap relief on Will Smith, Ohtani, Freeman, and Betts.
Chris here - only baseball needs to because other leagues have salary caps. No other way a team from Green Bay Wisconsin could compete wkth teams from New York, Dallas, and Los Angeles.
Gimme a break on postseason win added probability, guys 308 hitter in 160 postseason games 370 obp, he was a stud through and through hard stop. Best competition in baseball and he routinely produced unlike so many guys we see now
Haters are going hate! Small market teams are owned by billionaires that don't care about winning as much as just making money. Dodgers can take a 36th pick and turn it into a diamond in the rough, because Dodgers scouting and farm systems runs deep!
@@SpitballinCardsHOW DID THEY GET THE TRADES DONE??? Where they sending teams SUB TIER PLAYERS??? Are all this hating teams OK accepting the DODGERS BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TALENT???
@ Sure seems like Boston did! Lol Before the currently international signing system was implemented, it was just whoever offered the most. Remember Puig? Dodgers are one team who can constantly pay "Above slot" in the draft. It helps to make those trades when they are able to take on all the contracts as well. Look, the DOdgers have a big advantage over other team in the league. They;re operating within the rules of the league. If you're a fan, you love it. If youre not, you hate it. Yes, they're being smart with how they operate, but lets not pretend they're smarter than every other team. Having almost unlimited resources is what sets them apart.
@@SpitballinCards Yeah as a fan it feels really good to see the Dodgers going all in now, especially with Mookie, Freeman and Shohei's soon to be peak years. Making sure they have the resources now instead of scrambling to add pitching at the trade deadline. Dodgers won this WS with a beat up pitching staff of mostly the bullpen. Players come here for less cuz they want to win. Who wants to play for an owner that says his goal is to break even every year or doesn't make any moves in the off season to improve the team. A lot non Dodger fans don't realize how bad it was for us with the previous owners nearly going bankrupt. I remember the Braves in 90's, seemed unfair at the time. Cheers, it's great that we can agree to disagree. The best of luck to the Braves and Brewers and look forward to seeing you in the playoffs, BTW-Love to hear you guys talk about the 1/1 Skenes debut patch that was pulled by an 11 year old here in LA. I heard it was from a mega box? Wow!
As a fan of baseball and individual players , every one has something to say until it’s your team doing it. A lot of salty people out there. By the way I guarantee you your favorite baseball player wishes he was a dodger. That’s just the fact and I hope that things to you guys up on that panel. 😅 all love on mine.
………..DO NOT FORGET, Ohtani had the sports-betting scandal swept under the rug last year 🤨. Blaming his “interrupter” 👍🏼. When Pete Rose, ARGUABLY the best player EVER, was kicked out of baseball for betting 🎯. And you can spare me the “he bet on his own team” garbage. 🍻 🍻
Wow. Lots to unpack here. The FBI investigated the Ohtani-Ippei situation and if you truly think Ippei was willing to spend 30 years in federal prison to cover for ohtani, well, I don't know what to tell you.
It is what it is. I don't hate Wagner. He was really excited. It just doesn't make sense. I mean, how does one vote FOR him and not for Felix? Wagner wasn't good enough to pitch 1000 innings.
I think when they let Bruce Sutter in... it opened the door for a lot of "very good" relievers.... not greatest, which I thought the HOF was supposed to be about.
@ what happens to the baseball season if there’s only 12 teams? What sports league have we seen shrink in size in the last 30 years? I think I just don’t quite understand what the push for it would be.
@@dcsoda1 The 18 teams don't go away. Top 12 play for the world series, the bottom 18 play for promotion! Top 8 make playoffs, bottom 2 relegated. Show me another league where one team can pay $370mil on salaries and complete with another team paying like $80mil. And everyone thinks its fine. I'm not saying this will definitely happen, but to me it feels like its headed that way.
@ well it’s pretty easy to show you another league that does that and no one cares. It’s the premier league lol. And I see little chance those other 18 teams will accept being barred from the World Series on a given year.
the issue with the dodgers is the 1 billion dollars being deferred, thats why their able to sign everyone. There needs to be a cap to how much a team can defer.
No, that's not the issue. Every team in the MLB can use deferrals the exact same way that the Dodgers do, they just choose not to. And the players association insisted on no limit to how much can be deferred because they don't want to put a cap on how much a player can make. Again, the problem is NOT what the Dodgers are doing. It's that too many teams with billionaire owners have money to spend but choose not to. Stop blaming the Dodgers who are doing everything within the rules of the CBA. Go blame your team with the cheap billionaire owner that prefers to pocket the money instead of spending it to make your team better.
@@Hexxum001 so having 1 billion dollars deferred, which makes it possible to sign multiple stars is not a problem ? what about tanner scott signing with the dodgers for less money than what other teams offered him? keep on being a band wagon for the dodgers
@@AJolls Tanner Scott would be a Cub right now if they would have offered him a 4th year. They wouldn't do it and the Dodgers did. AGAIN, not the Dodgers fault that the Cubs wouldn't give him one extra year. But go ahead and keep being a Dodgers hater. ;)
@ That's exactly it. $72mil for a reliever is a huge money. Not many teams would or could do that. Dodgers can and will and did. That's why hes a dodger. Because they have more money to spend - AND to there credit, they are willing to spend it.
@ As the Dodgers do with many of their contracts, some of the money is deferred. The Cubs could have done the exact same thing to sign Scott. Again, not the Dodgers fault that other teams don't use the same tools that are available to ALL teams. And yes, that's a lot of money for a reliever. But look at what the Padres gave up to trade for him last year. Clearly he is one of those players that might be worth it.
You are seeing what it costs to try and do what the giants did….that is all. 3 rings in 5 yrs nothing less. Dodgers are just building now because it’s only getting more expensive !!!!
Chris here - I don't know what the hell they're doing. It's frustrating. Every team has money. Most have more than they claim, and are run by cheapskates. But not all teams have the same money.
This is a hilariously bad take. Fanatics is ruining cards. Please name me one monopoly that has ever cared about its consumers? I'll wait. Back in the 90s, we had Fleer, Donruss, Topps, and Upper Deck making the best inserts and innovative ideas. We had competition. Today we have gambling aspect and 1,000 different parallels in every set, sticker autos, and fake contrived scarcity. I have been going back and buying 90s and 00s cards and loving it. Better buy than an overpriced hobby box with crap QC and a 29 year relief pitcher auto.
It's the DOGERS have ruined baseball. Let alone last year when mld had made the Padres to lose the game. With the Potters being the number one scoring team going into the playoffs let alone in the playoffs to somehow not score one run in 32 Innings yeah go figure
Jeter was the leader! The captain! Mookie does not have any of that sorry Scott and the Dodgers will be hated and only Ohtani value will rise. The others will fall behind imo
Time will tell! Jeter was great and generational, but I believe Mookie is as well. Also, for what it's worth, our Jeter comments were mostly for fun. I believe he is great and properly rated.
@@SpitballinCards I'm purely saying from a vocal leader in the clubhouse type deal. Mookie just isn't that guy. I live in Boston he never wanted to be the leader of the team. Bogaerts was the unquestioned leader of the team. He was the guy everyone went to
Fair question. I have a general understanding, yes. Unless something is done to bridge the gap between the Big Market and Small Market payrolls, I really don't see another solution. We're all staring down the barrel of a long work stoppage after the 2026 season as it is. While my theory is a bit far fetched to some, there's a logic to it and I'm fairly certain football clubs in England make a lot of money in those first two divisions.
Jeter was culturally relevant as a celebrity. He was a career Yankee that had several big spotlight moments. Mookie is a great player but he has no cultural significance and it’s not like he wasn’t on any super teams. He won a title with the Red Sox on a team with JD Martinez, Devers, Kimbrel, Sale, Bogaerts, Pedroia, Hanley Ramirez..etc. Betts has played on some really good teams. Ohtani is not going to get a Kevin Durant reputation. He was on the lowly Angels and then signed long term with the Dodgers. He’s not jumping around chasing rings and forcing his way off of teams. I love your podcast-but you guys seems to overweigh advanced statistics and tend to overlook cultural significance, popularity and the importance of fan perception. Dodgers players all have potential for higher ceiling now because there is effectively two countries and a far larger fan base watching them. I assure you that a lot of Japanese fans now know how Freddie Freeman is after his walk off grand slam..etc.
Scott here-I agree with a lot of what you said. Jeter was absolutely more of a celebrity than Mookie up to this point for sure. No modern baseball player has been able to do that (aside from Ohtani). Also, yes, the Sox were greatin 2018, but Mookie still was the guy that year. Since baseball is such a team sport it matters how your team is built, and Jeter and Betts both benefited from that. I also think that we all agreed Ohtani is definitely not similar to KD. I think the Dodgers just need one more WS with Ohtani if he is going to be there for so long and how much money is being commited. Will it hurt him if he doesn't win one? no, but I do think it will help him if he does win a few more. I also 100% agree with Mookie and Freddie getting more international love because of Japan watching them play. I think that could be big for their cards. I do still believe that Mookie will end up with better numbers than Jeter when it is all said and done (outside of BA and total hits of course), but that doesn't mean that he will be more collected than Jeter because of it. Team, era, perception, and stats all factor. Only time will tell. Thank you for watching and the comment!
Why does that matter today? WHo cares who won titles in the 1920's, 30's and 50's. Here's a great question - would Mantle and Dimaggio be is valuable an collected as much today if the Dodgers and Red Sox and Tigers won all those titles back then?
Does Ty watch other sports.....other leagues have this thing called a Salary Cap.....come on.... and Phil points out 2 teams in the NFL that 2 of the best QB's that have ever played. The Dodgers are paying 20 guys top dollar when other teams can pay 1 or 2 guys.....tell me how great this in 2027 when there are no cards because of the MLB Lockout because basically it's a 100% chance to happen
Chris here - that possibility/likelihood is very very concerning. We'd all hate for it to happen. Honestly, it might be in everybody's best interest for the Dodgers to win the next 2 WS easily. It would remove the argument against a cap.
I'm the only one who watches other sports 😅 (not totally true, but I watch MLB, NFL, NBA [though I hate it these days] and NHL and soccer when I can...).
The one thing people don’t get about the Dodgers team is that these guys don’t care about how they are viewed as far as legacy. Those are Padres players. That’s why you have so many like-able guys on the Dodgers. The FO carefully chooses stars unlike the Padres that just spent for the sake of the name. If you believe these guys care about their legacy as far as where they rank, then you haven’t been watching the dodgers closely which is understandable.
It's a little absurd to think the money doesn't matter! If any other team offered Snell (a former padre) more money, he'd be on their team! Speaking of Padres - that Bogaerts deal will go down as one of the worst ever. I'm shocked the GM still has his job.
@ yea money is definitely a factor. I was referring to them caring about how they are viewed in the long run in reference to a part of the discussion where they talked about players being lost in the shuffle of the team. The Dodger players (at least last years squad) aren’t the type to care about that or at least care enough to Not be part of the team. The Padres have had rumors since 4 years ago about how they don’t get along and ego this and ego that. The Dodgers make it a point to check those egos. They’re just there to win (after collecting their paycheck). Yea the Padres did big spending but big stupid spending as well. Bogarts contract was unnecessary and they locked him up for ELEVEN years lol.
People need to stop whining...im not a dodgers fan...but with the exception of roki and snell...all the people they are signing were out there for 2 months and nobody else was trying to sign them..all the teams that were waiting til the end to go cheap as possible , are all kicking themselves in the ass..
Hi Mike, our goal is to talk about what people want to hear. I don’t think any of us are mad about the dodgers. We are more mad at other teams for not trying.
Chris here - Im jealous and angry as a braves fan. Braves dont have a regional TV Network or play in a metropolitan area with 40mil+ residents. Dodgers revenue streams are an enormous advantage and they are using it! You're right, other teams can definitely afford to spend more money, but not like the dodgers. Not close.
Fanatics ruined baseball cards, not the Dodgers.
Chris here - ruined is a strong word I think too strong.
@@SpitballinCards okay maybe not ruined, but on the way to ruining.
ACTUALLY IF we are all thinking logically These lemmings where sitting on their laurels and the DODGERS CAME IN like a hurricane even after winning the CHIP. You would think their organization will actually wake up but they stayed asleep while the DODGERS FRONT OFFICE kept churning and now they looking for a villain. Wake the F up
@@SpitballinCards ruined is a "strong" word but you had no problem using it for the title calling out the Dodgers lol Fanatics and Panini have brought this hobby down a lot more than up.
Fanatics = The Hobby Anti-Christ
I was born a few years after the big red machine, but i still can name the majority of the lineup. This dodgers team may be simular to the 70s reds. Rose, Bench, Morgan = Othanti, Betts, Freeman.
Very possible! Unlikely that baseball fans forget those three players any time soon.
The problem is not the Dodgers signing every one, it's teams like the Mariners not wanting to spend to make their team better. Every fan base deserves what the Dodgers are doing. These players all want to go to LA. Who can blame them. If anything, incentives need to be put in place and maybe even a salary floor to encourage (force) teams to spend money. A salary cap would solve nothing.
Thank you and agree 100%. A salary cap does nothing to address the real issue. Too many teams with rich billionaire owners that refuse to spend to make their teams better. A salary floor would definitely change things and force these cheap owners to have to spend.
Chris here - Agreed! My braves spent the start of the off season dumping bad contracts (Soler) and watching high dollar guys like Fried go elsewhere. They should have money to spend. Currently way under last year's budget. But they've done NOTHING with no explanation. Same with Seattle - great example. What gives?????
@ You're right. With cap, we must have a floor.
Players association would never allow for a salary cap. There’s no way.
@ That;s why there's already been talk of a strike or lockout after 2026.
I think the key question here is does the team owners care. Why spend money and lose when you can not spend money to lose. These small market team owners are getting millions and millions each year just for their team to miss the playoffs. These small market same issue is in the NFL where the bottom teams don’t care about winning when the owners are on their 100m yacht.
Cannot compare the NFL to MLB. The difference between the lowest and highest spending team was only 37 million dollars. The NFL system is king and thats why the NFL is King
Great show guys. And I agree with most of what you guys said: its not bad to have Super Teams in any sport and someone to cheer against, diferred money needs to go, playoff baseball is a crap-shoot, and really these big market teams can literally buy themselves into the post-season. Lost in the discussion is the local TV deals. For example, the Dodgers have a $8 billion/25 year deal. That is $330 million/year where teams like the Brewers and Twins continue to get less and less for there TV deals. It is estimated that last year, each was around $35-$40 million and goind down more this year. This is where baseball and the commish need to step up. They need to find a way to get these teams some kind of deal or the 23-24 owners that are in this boat with have a shut down next year. This happenned in a hockey a number of years ago and non of us want to have no baseball. Until next time....
The only solution really is that more of the regional team money needs to be shared around. But some teams own their own networks as well and that would complicate matters. If the league is able to increase revenue sharing it will certainly have to come with caveats and spending requirements for teams on the receiving end. That money CANNOT just go into ownership's pockets.
Great job coming up with good topics during the off-season.
Thanks and thanks for watching!
Correction: Marlins and Dodgers have the same number of Word Series victories over the last *30 years
CORRECTION Not many teams have won the World Series. And because you said omit enjoy the DODGERS domination. They have the best organization fan base and CHIP on their shoulder. If you want let swager on pay pal it will be fun…
@@Philmington 2020 counted whether or not you agree with it. I would have said the same thing if ANY other team had won it. The Asterisk belongs to the 17 Astros
@@chrisc4264 my friend works for them and he wasn't offered a WS ring in 2020 though
@@SpitballinCards That's petty. I'm sorry to hear that. I had thought all employees got to receive one. I think in 1988 I had heard everyone did but maybe I'm mistaken
@ he's a lowly union'd employee
Hi, my name is Henry lopez, a dodger fan, a mlb story telling fan. i hope you allow me to give a suggestion. Freddie, when he came back to play after his son, this past season, the crowd and dodger community welcomed him back. the org treats people like human beings not just an analytical object for profit, rather, grateful for the opportunity to be blessed. nothing is guarantee, especially in baseball. injuries, life changing events, etc. take care, and may you have a blessed day. -Henry lopez (unofficially Pedraza- in honor of my grandma)
Henry, thanks for watching and thank you for the thoughtful comment
My Cubs are a joke. I swear they purposely finish second in negotiation talks with players so that they can go back to their fans and lie and say they are trying. If they were being serious, they would lock up Kyle Tucker right now. Despite being a top 5 market, the Cubs largest contract they have ever given was to Jason Hayward (184 mil) next is Dansby Swanson 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Cubs are strange. Huge Market. Tons of revenue, but since they broke up the '16 team ownership has NOT acted like it!! I'd be incredibly mad as a fan.
Yeah yall gotta sign Tucker long term. Trading for him was perfect, but one year with him won’t be enough to satisfy fans, and rightly so.
Always love the videos guys, great job!
@@Showcardsusa Thanks for watching!
Generational player of his era. Thanks for clarifying, was about to riot. 🤣
T-Pott "I've always been team underdog." (with a Lions pennant in the back ground) We know he ain't lying.
hahaha - you're exactly right! He had a rough weekend.
The pain still will not leave.
so ...instead of pushing the envelope, you'd rather have MLB with it's small ratings just stay where it is to appease small market fans around the US? No shit that spending doesn't guarantee a title ...but it does improve their chances. Rather be their fan instead of a Pirates fan where nothing will change even if you put in a salary cap. I applaud the Jays while everyone else is mocking them. At least they are going for it and trying to improve their brand.
What’s ruining card collecting is same thing that did in the 90s, too many sets, too much false scarcity, non player worn patches, sticker autos, last but not least more investors than collectors raising prices of certain cards/products. The last piece to fall is product on the field, whether that be the Dodgers or other franchise making the season a done deal to kill fan interest or more likely a dilution in the talent of young players.
In 90s the on field issues were a combination of the strike, then the steroids and many young players that people invested in not panning out.
You forgot endless fake chase hits, fake relics and ridiculous name after name of sets. And stupid new player after stupid new player. It’s the collector that is the idiot.
There's a ton of junk out there these days, that;s for sure. We collectors just have to be more discerning about what cards we spend our money on.
What you’re saying about baseball being a “crap shoot” in the playoffs is true, but the Dodgers are assured a chance over and over again. While small markets get to be viable for one or two shots.
They get to play more hands at the table.
Probably better for baseball as a whole though to get global eyes on them and have a villain to root against, but honestly they do have good guys on their team that make it hard to root against them like Teapot said.
And I don’t hate the premier league / champions league or whatever that it’s called idea as a Guardians fan.
Jeff here: great post! Yes, it’s all about the opportunities to get to the playoffs. The Dodgers window is wide open, while small market teams have much smaller windows to compete before they lose their better players to bigger markets.
The problem is not the Dodgers. The problem is every other team that cries and does nothing to invest and develop to achieve greatness like the Dodgers do.
The problem here is that every team does this but the amount of money the dodgers can spend gives them an advantage at every turn. In every way.
Dodgers have more to invest. They can go over slot on draft picks that have slipped because of bonus demands.
Dodgers sign a guy and the contract is a dud? Doesn't matter. In 2024, they spent $42mil on Chris Taylor, Heywrad, Kelly, Paxton, and Kershaw. They just wrote those off. For Small market or some mid market teams, that would kill their season.
Padres fan here.... bought my first 2 NBA cards yesterday!
That's not a good sign!
It's crazy that Sasaki is PPI eligible and could win the Dodgers a high draft pick. They need to change that incentive as it was designed to encourage teams to play their young talent. Players should have to have been in their teams minor league system for at least a couple of years, or become ineligible if they have years of experience in NPB or KBO.
Oh man, I had no idea he would qualify for that! Unreal.
@@jameshoppo7202 thats bullshit ...that rule should only apply to drafted players..
That needs to be changed...
The anger is more about the lack of their own teams spending the money to make their teams great.
Of course!! When it seems like only one team can afford to sign the best players, it's incredibly frustrating. I mean, the best FA filter through the Dodgers and NY teams before the other squads even have a chance.
@@SpitballinCards You mad bro'?
LOL
GO DODGERS!
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Good episode. Keep them coming.
Thanks for watching!
Appreciate you watching and commenting!
The 2nd tier league in England is called, naturally, the Championship. You guys almost had it, fun episode.
Dammit!! So close!! If Ted Lasso had been a more recent show, I'd have remembered!
Braves are ruining baseball by low balling players and signing them before they get a chance for the Dodgers to sign them.
Like the great Vin Scully would say…ITS TIIIIIME FOR DODGER BASEBAAAAALL!
I LOL'ed at this
Thank you, Chris, for your efforts to keep cards in the conversation.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR!!
Go Red Sox!
MLB needs a Salary Cap. Even playing field, smarter transactions and wont push casual fans away who don't like the Dodgers..you ruin baseball for people and baseball cards dropping will be the fallout.
Some kind of Floor - Ceiling combination seems inevitable.
This is bad for baseball. A league where one team is a global all-star team, and half a dozen teams are fielding minor league rosters is bad.
Fans will stop going to White Sox, A's games etc.
Why would anyone watch Dodgers vs Rockies on television?
This will be bad for baseball.
If you look past the names, it doesn't matter. Players get hurt (even star players). Good teams on paper rarely have multiple championships, as attrition is a very real thing. Yamamoto wasn't super great last year and was hurt, so was Kershaw and Freddie Freeman, but he gutted it out.
The White Sox, Marlins, As are all terrible for baseball. The commissioner seems to have forced the A;s to spend, but I'd love to see him take the team away from that owner. Same with Miami.
You guys know ball. Great show
As much as I don’t like the Dodgers doing what they are doing and the same teams winning all the time…I can’t bring myself to hate on them or root totally against simply because the guys they have seem to be just great people. How does one hate or villify Mookie betts, Freddie freeman, Ohtani, etc? You really can’t. They play the right way, are awesome to community/fans/etc. what’s not to like?
Jeff here: well-said. They have some guys that are really easy to root for.
Italian Soccer gives a better analogy: Series A and Series B (and Series C and D). The A teams compete against each other, the B teams compete against each other, etc. The worst A teams get kicked down to Series B the next season, the best B teams go up to Series A the next season. I live in Bergamo and the local team, Atalanta, for many years was always oscillating between the two leagues because they were best of B and worst of A. Past 7 years or so though they got a ton of investment and have been consistently Series A.
Yes! This is exactly what I was trying to describe! Thanks
Dodgers have zero excuses for losing a single game in 2025!
haha - right?? 116 win record feels very much in jeopardy.
Salary caps hurt the players at expense of owners. Encourage spending. Floor only. Power to the players not owners
I agree with the floor only rule. This is the way
Chris here - I'm definitely on the Player's side every time. But this economic disparity in the league is getting out of hand.
@@SpitballinCardsexonomic disparity? Do you know how much the owners of this BASEBALL team are taking home??? You mist have forgotten they also get tax breaks implications plus subsidies from their local government with their stadium. Just admit it since your title said STUPID DODGER… NO ITS YOUR TEAMS ARE STUPID for falling asleep on the WHEEL
It's not a battle between 2 stakeholders.
It's a battle between owners, players and the most important stakeholder, the fans.
A regular guy who wants to take his family to a game often can't afford it anymore. This is the players' fault.
Players association would never allow for a cap. Why would you want to protect these billionaire owners and their wallets? You should promote the players and empower them, not the owners.
I don't buy very expensive cards but it seems only Ohtani's RC's jumped in price and held after the WS. Mookie & Freeman have shrunk back to what they were last off season. For example, now, a Ohtani heritage is $50 instead of $30 raw. But Mookie & Freddie's 1st bowman chrome are still $20. So maybe Ohtani will steal all the glory, even if he doesn't perform in the post season.
As a Freeman collector I can say with some confidence that his prices are still higher now than before his WS MVP! I'm less confident on Mookie
I love the idea of relegation in professional sports - it’ll never happen, for all the reasons y’all said - but talk about a great way to force some of these Pro Sports owners to compete. Hit’em where it hurts, right in the pocket book.
Also, Scott, Cubs Owner is Tom Ricketts.
Chris here - obviously, I don't think it's as far fetched as my fellow spitballers.
Well done 👍
Given how dependent soorts cards are presently on breaks, I am curious to any long term effects on those markets. The Dodgers seem likely to be a very expensive team this year, as they were last year, and likely in the future (especially if they can get Betts to sign). We know with RCs teams have expensive and cheap years but i wonder if break prices and wax prices will ice out Dodger fans and possibly other teams might get the shaft on getting desirable cards produced. If the Dodgers represent 30% of the case hit inserts, top autos, and key cards, it makes them prohibitively pricy and other teams boring and not cheap enough to justify
I'm interested in what team prices will be for breaks. Nationals might be the most expensive with Wood and Crews. But not much at all for some teams.
Maybe dont produce so many crap and create a market that every card is 1/1 and you cant miss out. Ppl just going to be fed up
Ohtani is not dependent on winning another title. 26:50
Not entirely, but it would definitley help if they rattle off a few more.
@SpitballinCards He's such a "Unicorn", championships aren't necessary, especially after obtaining the first, IMO.
Yankees do the same thing in the Play '90s in the same conversation was had except for a few years and then back to baseball
Good show guys 👍
Its no shock horror the best available players want to go to a Legacy Franchise with a great roster. Any sport any time in history this happens. The Dodgers understanding and ultilising the rules to get potentially the best player in history of sport is top tier level management and also shows the way to pther owners look at ehat you can do. Balls in other teams court now time will tell how they respond. And never underestimate the aspect of KO rounds in any sport upsets always happen. If it was a true league like Premier league the viewing figures would be down not up if they were s far ahead of other teams in overall points and winning it every year. So many aspects to sports games/seasons are unpredictable and thats why many people watch them.
Good points, and I'm very curious why so many teams this winter have done next to nohting. It's strange. WHy did Texas let Yates leave? He was good for them! Wasnt going to be crazy expensive. I don;t know whats going on and I don't like it.
There definitely has to be an international draft. The Japanese team beat us in the baseball classic and their team that’s better than americas best is just a feeder system now to the dodgers. It’s insane.
agreed!
Baseball is a business!! they're all playing by the rules!! And if it's a business, you invest in your business and put the best product out there for your consumer the fans!!
This is the beauty of capitalism if you don't like it, Get pissed at your owners!! And take a playbook from the Dodgers front office... while others are playing checkers. The Dodgers are playing chess!!
Really Scotty B. In NHL no team from Canada has won the Cup since the 90s.
Scott here-I respect hockey and hockey fans, but I can truly say that I know literally nothing about it. No clue.
Sorry for putting my foot in my mouth on it!😅
@@fliplife67 Again, Florida coming through 🍀🏆😁
Elaborate on the star wars comment at the beginning? My audio is sketchy at that moment, thanks!
Oh, and FIRST! lol
Jeff was a voice actor of a few characters in The Bad Batch so I was giving him a shoutout!
@@SpitballinCardsnice! Didn’t know that, thanks for the explanation, SW nerd here as you can tell by my name lol great channel, glad I found you guys
Jeff here: May the Force be with you!
T-Pott "You're wrong"
Jeff "It's close isn't it?"
T-Pott "I don't know and I don't care."
Champs
Marlins got more rings than the Rockies 😁🏆 305 4 Lyfe
Ouch.
You can add Padres, Mariners, Rangers, Brewers to that list.
Ouch again.
@SpitballinCards 🤣🤣🤣🍻🤘🏆🍀Ouch!
Scott mentioned the Jolly Olive I had to comment on a video of his in reference to Royce Lewis being MLB’s most clutch player about to break out I commented David Ortiz the player that comes to mind as most clutch player
Chris here - I think Ortiz has a great claim to being one of the "most clutch" mlb hitters in posteason history.
If Mookie and Freeman’s batting average dips to .240 with less than 20 HRs, doesn’t mean as much if they win WS, cards will dip. Baseball is still an individual stats kinda sport and Trout, Bonds and Griffey prove that
Great take, as we've said before postseason success can help card values, but failures rarely hurt them. Rarely.
I think that Trout proves exactly the opposite of the point that you are trying to make. Trout’s numbers are off of the charts-but his card prices have fallen off of a cliff. Part of that is due to the trajectory of his numbers declining due to injury and age-and part of that is due to the fact that one can’t really consider him to be the GOAT without playing any really meaningful baseball. As that reality has started setting in-his cards have dropped in value. Bonds carried baseball for a while with his 73 homerun season, and while he hasn’t won a World Series-he’s played a decent amount of meaningful baseball. While his publicity wasn’t always of the best type-he certainly had a bigger public presence than Trout (a guy that goes out of his way to be reclusive and stay out of the limelight). Dennis Rodman has a lot of negative publicity-but that publicity (even negative) does translate into popularity. Most non-baseball fans might have no idea who Mike Trout is-but they have probably heard the name Barry Bonds. Ken Griffey Jr is massively relevant. His 89 upper deck card is iconic, his nickname as “The Kid” gave him popularity, he arguably still has the sweetest swing in baseball, and a lot of people are familiar that he played with his father (the same way that people know that Lebron and Bronny played together). The point that I’m trying to make is that popularity, fan recognition and fan perception, cultural relevance, and time in the spotlight can all effect card value as much (and arguably more) than just pure statistics. Guys like Derek Jeter, and David Ortiz are also examples of this dynamic.
@ completely agree. Those are all good points and off field and “hot dog” relevance is a major contributor to card prices. One reason why I feel like bat flipping Tatis might still hold value over time. My point being that WS runs don’t solely determine card prices. Trout’s 3 MVPs will hold him relevant forever. All 12 players who have MVPs are legends. Might be a good opportunity to buy rare Trout.
@@bangers_sportscards I don’t disagree. I think Tatis is young enough and talented enough to overshadow his early transgressions. Also, the Padres should be good enough to play some meaningful baseball. I still view Trout as carrying a lot of risk when it comes to card values. While his prices have fallen dramatically-his cards are far from cheap. (By the way-i want to make clear that I’m not hating on Trout-he’s clearly an elite talent). With that said-I think that his “all time high” card prices coincided with Covid pricing mixed with the expectation that if he kept at the same pace of putting up elite numbers-he had a very strong chance of being considered the GOAT. Over the past several years-injuries have reduced his trajectories, lack of postseason play has eroded the argument--and the rise of Ohtani-who showed that he has elite speed, elite power, and elite pitching also hurt Trouts chances of being the GOAT. Lastly, the first time Ohtani made the postseason-he wins a ring. If Trout were to get hurt again-he’ll still go down as being an elite player-and a hall of famer-but people will remember him as being the “what could’ve been” guy. I don’t think his prices ever go as high as they were. I think they can go higher than they are now-but I do think they also could drop further if he gets hurt and the Angels continue to suck.
As a Brewers fan, it just feels like you can do everything right and you'll never win...you're just a farm system for the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees ect. It makes me not like the product as a whole. MLB needs to take over the entirety of TV rights like the NFL so that it can correctly share revenues among the teams and reasonably enact a floor.
Byan, I total feel your frustration. And i really like your solution. MLB takes over control of all TV revenue and disperses it evenly. After all, nobody is paying to watch the dodgers take batting practice - we pay to see the games.
However, teams that own regional networks will have a serious problem with this plan - but i don't!!
@@Bryan45552 Yep. And the big teams can buy their way out of mistakes, small market teams are stuck with the bad contracts. And any window to compete is so short because you know you can’t keep a core together once free agency comes calling. Just sad.
I checked out after seeing Brewers.
The incoming lockout in a few years will ruin card prices. But maybe it forces MLB to join the rest of the leagues and put a cap and floor in
After hearing all of the Mickey Mouse jokes and choker comments - I’m relishing this!! Go Dodgers baby
haha yeaahh! All the jokes about the Dodgers being chokers turned into whining and crying about the Dodgers ruining baseball. I love it. The tears are so delicious! Go Dodgers!!
Jeter is Mr. November ! Scott don’t be a hater. 3,400 + hits.
Scott here-We mostly were making jokes and poking fun. Jeter is a legend. Thanks for watching!
I heard that later in the video thanks
from the perspective of the other 29 teams, the "ohtani effect" is ruining baseball. his superstardom has created a tremendous machine. he generates so much money to afford all these contracts. the net result is every available player wants to sign with the dodgers. the dodgers are like secretariat at the belmont. 30 lengths ahead of the field.
The Dodgers didn't ruin baseball cards, Billy Wagner getting elected to the Hall of Fame did.
Chris here - it's so dumb. I mean, I cant hate HIM. You can see how much it meant to him. But he just isn't a hall of famer. He wasn't good enough to pitch 1000 career innings! I mean, come on!
Jeff here: Somewhere Chris is smiling at this 🤣
I think when they let Bruce Sutter in... it opened the door for a lot of "very good" relievers.... not greatest, which I thought the HOF was supposed to be about.
I dont think the players care about spotlight as much as they do about winning titles. I think they are all happy to trade it all for titles.
Talk about the deferred money, that’s the major issue I have, over a billion dollars in deferred money that doesn’t go against the luxury tax/salary. It’s ridiculous, they used afterpay to get these players, buy now pay later, Betts is not better than Jeter
Deferred payments will definitely be an issue during the next CBA talks.
Betts vs Jeter - Betts has a lot of baseball left to play.
This will only hurt LA card prices. No more meat on the bone for LA players.
You think? Even the biggest names?
You’re right only ohtani and if kershaw still plays, their will stay stable, even freeman and betts have dropped after the World Series win.
@ Freeman is still higher than he was a year ago. By a good amount on sales I've seen. Mookie feels like a great buy right now.
I liken Mookie Betts to this generations Rickey Henderson. Just an all around great player
Not a bad comp. Less speed, but consistent great play.
The deferments are the part that bother me. There is no way they could sustain this spending without the deferments. I think there needs to be rules against deferments.
Chris here - I think deferments will be a big part of the next CBA conversations.
Any team can do it, but it shouldn't be this excessive.
@ that’s the issue. It leads to larger salaries for the players and it benefits the owners who do use it. So I’m concerned that nothing will get done on the issue. I’m hoping they can see how detrimental it is to the competitive balance and at least cap. I don’t have a problem if they want to defer the money, I have a problem with it not counting toward the current day cap. No chance they could have realistically brought in Yamamoto, Snell, and others if they weren’t getting current day cap relief on Will Smith, Ohtani, Freeman, and Betts.
Is Chris being real about splitting the league up if MLB did that every sport in America should also do that.
Chris here - only baseball needs to because other leagues have salary caps. No other way a team from Green Bay Wisconsin could compete wkth teams from New York, Dallas, and Los Angeles.
Gimme a break on postseason win added probability, guys 308 hitter in 160 postseason games 370 obp, he was a stud through and through hard stop. Best competition in baseball and he routinely produced unlike so many guys we see now
Haters are going hate! Small market teams are owned by billionaires that don't care about winning as much as just making money. Dodgers can take a 36th pick and turn it into a diamond in the rough, because Dodgers scouting and farm systems runs deep!
To play devil's advocate here - which players on the WS roster did the dodgers draft and develop? Lux, Will Smith, Buehler...
@@SpitballinCardsHOW DID THEY GET THE TRADES DONE??? Where they sending teams SUB TIER PLAYERS??? Are all this hating teams OK accepting the DODGERS BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TALENT???
@ Sure seems like Boston did! Lol
Before the currently international signing system was implemented, it was just whoever offered the most. Remember Puig? Dodgers are one team who can constantly pay "Above slot" in the draft. It helps to make those trades when they are able to take on all the contracts as well. Look, the DOdgers have a big advantage over other team in the league. They;re operating within the rules of the league. If you're a fan, you love it. If youre not, you hate it. Yes, they're being smart with how they operate, but lets not pretend they're smarter than every other team. Having almost unlimited resources is what sets them apart.
@@SpitballinCards Yeah as a fan it feels really good to see the Dodgers going all in now, especially with Mookie, Freeman and Shohei's soon to be peak years. Making sure they have the resources now instead of scrambling to add pitching at the trade deadline. Dodgers won this WS with a beat up pitching staff of mostly the bullpen. Players come here for less cuz they want to win. Who wants to play for an owner that says his goal is to break even every year or doesn't make any moves in the off season to improve the team. A lot non Dodger fans don't realize how bad it was for us with the previous owners nearly going bankrupt. I remember the Braves in 90's, seemed unfair at the time. Cheers, it's great that we can agree to disagree. The best of luck to the Braves and Brewers and look forward to seeing you in the playoffs, BTW-Love to hear you guys talk about the 1/1 Skenes debut patch that was pulled by an 11 year old here in LA. I heard it was from a mega box? Wow!
As a fan of baseball and individual players , every one has something to say until it’s your team doing it. A lot of salty people out there. By the way I guarantee you your favorite baseball player wishes he was a dodger. That’s just the fact and I hope that things to you guys up on that panel. 😅 all love on mine.
………..DO NOT FORGET, Ohtani had the sports-betting scandal swept under the rug last year 🤨. Blaming his “interrupter” 👍🏼. When Pete Rose, ARGUABLY the best player EVER, was kicked out of baseball for betting 🎯.
And you can spare me the “he bet on his own team” garbage. 🍻
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Wow. Lots to unpack here. The FBI investigated the Ohtani-Ippei situation and if you truly think Ippei was willing to spend 30 years in federal prison to cover for ohtani, well, I don't know what to tell you.
If you added the deferred money to the Dodgers payroll they would be so far ahead of everyone else it wouldn’t be funny
It's already not funny!
Billy Wagner HOF… can’t wait to hear Chris’ reaction 😂
It is what it is. I don't hate Wagner. He was really excited. It just doesn't make sense. I mean, how does one vote FOR him and not for Felix? Wagner wasn't good enough to pitch 1000 innings.
I think when they let Bruce Sutter in... it opened the door for a lot of "very good" relievers.... not greatest, which I thought the HOF was supposed to be about.
I’m sorry guys that soccer comparison was brutal haha. And also there’s zero chance that happens in baseball.
It's definitely greater than 0%. Personally, i feel like its inevitable. (chris here btw)
@ what happens to the baseball season if there’s only 12 teams? What sports league have we seen shrink in size in the last 30 years? I think I just don’t quite understand what the push for it would be.
@@dcsoda1 The 18 teams don't go away. Top 12 play for the world series, the bottom 18 play for promotion!
Top 8 make playoffs, bottom 2 relegated.
Show me another league where one team can pay $370mil on salaries and complete with another team paying like $80mil. And everyone thinks its fine.
I'm not saying this will definitely happen, but to me it feels like its headed that way.
@ well it’s pretty easy to show you another league that does that and no one cares. It’s the premier league lol. And I see little chance those other 18 teams will accept being barred from the World Series on a given year.
Saving the Skenes pull for another show? LOL
It was after we recorded!!!
@@SpitballinCards Ahhh during post production. Haha. Cant wait for the next video
the issue with the dodgers is the 1 billion dollars being deferred, thats why their able to sign everyone. There needs to be a cap to how much a team can defer.
No, that's not the issue. Every team in the MLB can use deferrals the exact same way that the Dodgers do, they just choose not to. And the players association insisted on no limit to how much can be deferred because they don't want to put a cap on how much a player can make. Again, the problem is NOT what the Dodgers are doing. It's that too many teams with billionaire owners have money to spend but choose not to. Stop blaming the Dodgers who are doing everything within the rules of the CBA. Go blame your team with the cheap billionaire owner that prefers to pocket the money instead of spending it to make your team better.
@@Hexxum001 so having 1 billion dollars deferred, which makes it possible to sign multiple stars is not a problem ? what about tanner scott signing with the dodgers for less money than what other teams offered him? keep on being a band wagon for the dodgers
@@AJolls Tanner Scott would be a Cub right now if they would have offered him a 4th year. They wouldn't do it and the Dodgers did. AGAIN, not the Dodgers fault that the Cubs wouldn't give him one extra year. But go ahead and keep being a Dodgers hater. ;)
@ That's exactly it. $72mil for a reliever is a huge money. Not many teams would or could do that. Dodgers can and will and did. That's why hes a dodger. Because they have more money to spend - AND to there credit, they are willing to spend it.
@ As the Dodgers do with many of their contracts, some of the money is deferred. The Cubs could have done the exact same thing to sign Scott. Again, not the Dodgers fault that other teams don't use the same tools that are available to ALL teams. And yes, that's a lot of money for a reliever. But look at what the Padres gave up to trade for him last year. Clearly he is one of those players that might be worth it.
You are seeing what it costs to try and do what the giants did….that is all. 3 rings in 5 yrs nothing less. Dodgers are just building now because it’s only getting more expensive !!!!
The Braves are being cheap. They have money.
Chris here - I don't know what the hell they're doing. It's frustrating.
Every team has money. Most have more than they claim, and are run by cheapskates. But not all teams have the same money.
The new big bad of baseball. Yankees move over.
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Stop comparing Baseball to Basketball
This is a hilariously bad take. Fanatics is ruining cards. Please name me one monopoly that has ever cared about its consumers? I'll wait. Back in the 90s, we had Fleer, Donruss, Topps, and Upper Deck making the best inserts and innovative ideas. We had competition. Today we have gambling aspect and 1,000 different parallels in every set, sticker autos, and fake contrived scarcity. I have been going back and buying 90s and 00s cards and loving it. Better buy than an overpriced hobby box with crap QC and a 29 year relief pitcher auto.
Sadly, you descried ultra modern cards exactly right.
@SpitballinCards This is why 90s were the best
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Topps and fanatics kinda ruined cards. The dodgers are never the chase card anyhow. Not even with ohtani
Any Dodgers pitcher not name Ohtani is F!!!!!
It's the DOGERS have ruined baseball. Let alone last year when mld had made the Padres to lose the game. With the Potters being the number one scoring team going into the playoffs let alone in the playoffs to somehow not score one run in 32 Innings yeah go figure
Champions League is the top league that pools from all the top national leagues. Premiere league is England top league.
Ha! That's what I thought!!
Thanks!
Jeter was the leader! The captain! Mookie does not have any of that sorry Scott and the Dodgers will be hated and only Ohtani value will rise. The others will fall behind imo
Time will tell! Jeter was great and generational, but I believe Mookie is as well.
Also, for what it's worth, our Jeter comments were mostly for fun. I believe he is great and properly rated.
@@SpitballinCards I'm purely saying from a vocal leader in the clubhouse type deal. Mookie just isn't that guy. I live in Boston he never wanted to be the leader of the team. Bogaerts was the unquestioned leader of the team. He was the guy everyone went to
If you're in team breaks for 2025 RIP Dodgers fans 😂😂😂🤑
Nationals might be the most expensive team in most breaks in 2025....
Dodgers manager is terrible. They aren’t perfect from top to bottom. Roberts is a negative WAR coach.
You guys are so off base with Jeter.
Does baseballCardAddict understand finance and that baseball wants to make money? Split up the leagues?
Fair question. I have a general understanding, yes. Unless something is done to bridge the gap between the Big Market and Small Market payrolls, I really don't see another solution. We're all staring down the barrel of a long work stoppage after the 2026 season as it is.
While my theory is a bit far fetched to some, there's a logic to it and I'm fairly certain football clubs in England make a lot of money in those first two divisions.
Jeter was culturally relevant as a celebrity. He was a career Yankee that had several big spotlight moments. Mookie is a great player but he has no cultural significance and it’s not like he wasn’t on any super teams. He won a title with the Red Sox on a team with JD Martinez, Devers, Kimbrel, Sale, Bogaerts, Pedroia, Hanley Ramirez..etc. Betts has played on some really good teams. Ohtani is not going to get a Kevin Durant reputation. He was on the lowly Angels and then signed long term with the Dodgers. He’s not jumping around chasing rings and forcing his way off of teams. I love your podcast-but you guys seems to overweigh advanced statistics and tend to overlook cultural significance, popularity and the importance of fan perception. Dodgers players all have potential for higher ceiling now because there is effectively two countries and a far larger fan base watching them. I assure you that a lot of Japanese fans now know how Freddie Freeman is after his walk off grand slam..etc.
Scott here-I agree with a lot of what you said. Jeter was absolutely more of a celebrity than Mookie up to this point for sure. No modern baseball player has been able to do that (aside from Ohtani). Also, yes, the Sox were greatin 2018, but Mookie still was the guy that year. Since baseball is such a team sport it matters how your team is built, and Jeter and Betts both benefited from that.
I also think that we all agreed Ohtani is definitely not similar to KD. I think the Dodgers just need one more WS with Ohtani if he is going to be there for so long and how much money is being commited. Will it hurt him if he doesn't win one? no, but I do think it will help him if he does win a few more. I also 100% agree with Mookie and Freddie getting more international love because of Japan watching them play. I think that could be big for their cards.
I do still believe that Mookie will end up with better numbers than Jeter when it is all said and done (outside of BA and total hits of course), but that doesn't mean that he will be more collected than Jeter because of it. Team, era, perception, and stats all factor. Only time will tell. Thank you for watching and the comment!
NY Yankees 27 world championship's!!!!!!! No one in any sport is even close! Hate on that!!!
Why does that matter today? WHo cares who won titles in the 1920's, 30's and 50's.
Here's a great question - would Mantle and Dimaggio be is valuable an collected as much today if the Dodgers and Red Sox and Tigers won all those titles back then?
@SpitballinCards that's a nonsequter they have the most championship's weather you like it or not.
Maybe other team owners watch this and say. We need a fire under our asses. And do better.
You;d hope so!
Does Ty watch other sports.....other leagues have this thing called a Salary Cap.....come on.... and Phil points out 2 teams in the NFL that 2 of the best QB's that have ever played. The Dodgers are paying 20 guys top dollar when other teams can pay 1 or 2 guys.....tell me how great this in 2027 when there are no cards because of the MLB Lockout because basically it's a 100% chance to happen
Chris here - that possibility/likelihood is very very concerning. We'd all hate for it to happen. Honestly, it might be in everybody's best interest for the Dodgers to win the next 2 WS easily. It would remove the argument against a cap.
I'm the only one who watches other sports 😅 (not totally true, but I watch MLB, NFL, NBA [though I hate it these days] and NHL and soccer when I can...).
The one thing people don’t get about the Dodgers team is that these guys don’t care about how they are viewed as far as legacy. Those are Padres players. That’s why you have so many like-able guys on the Dodgers. The FO carefully chooses stars unlike the Padres that just spent for the sake of the name. If you believe these guys care about their legacy as far as where they rank, then you haven’t been watching the dodgers closely which is understandable.
It's a little absurd to think the money doesn't matter! If any other team offered Snell (a former padre) more money, he'd be on their team!
Speaking of Padres - that Bogaerts deal will go down as one of the worst ever. I'm shocked the GM still has his job.
@ yea money is definitely a factor. I was referring to them caring about how they are viewed in the long run in reference to a part of the discussion where they talked about players being lost in the shuffle of the team. The Dodger players (at least last years squad) aren’t the type to care about that or at least care enough to Not be part of the team. The Padres have had rumors since 4 years ago about how they don’t get along and ego this and ego that. The Dodgers make it a point to check those egos. They’re just there to win (after collecting their paycheck).
Yea the Padres did big spending but big stupid spending as well. Bogarts contract was unnecessary and they locked him up for ELEVEN years lol.
mookie lower average, on base, ops than jeter in postseason. Let's stop with that
What about regular season?
People need to stop whining...im not a dodgers fan...but with the exception of roki and snell...all the people they are signing were out there for 2 months and nobody else was trying to sign them..all the teams that were waiting til the end to go cheap as possible , are all kicking themselves in the ass..
Other teams were clearly trying to sign these guys and were outbid by the Dodgers. Kind of a theme in basball these days.
Jeter is by far the most overrated player ever. Sick of that Yankees east coast bias.
Chris here - I have long felt the same way.
God you guys cry over everything. Typical Americans now a days
Quit your crying over the Dodgers and Ohtani! wah wah, to you four squares
Hi Mike, our goal is to talk about what people want to hear. I don’t think any of us are mad about the dodgers. We are more mad at other teams for not trying.
Scott is just a jealous, Dodger hater. Other teams can spend money, they just don't. Go Dodgers!!
Hmm.. I’m a little confused by this comment..I wasn’t negative about the Dodgers at all in this video. I love what they are doing.
Chris here - Im jealous and angry as a braves fan. Braves dont have a regional TV Network or play in a metropolitan area with 40mil+ residents. Dodgers revenue streams are an enormous advantage and they are using it!
You're right, other teams can definitely afford to spend more money, but not like the dodgers. Not close.
Beam me UP Scottie, "D'odgers still "WINNING❣" with "$hohei OHtani"