Jin Sakai - Becoming Tsushima's Biggest Traitor
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- From fallen samurai to the ghost and legend of the island of Tsushima Jin Sakai throws away his entire family legacy and redefines honor in order to save the people of Tsushima anyway he can. Even if that means being branded an outlaw and a traitor in the eyes of the shogun.
0:00 - intro
4:01- Code of the Samurai & Jin's early struggles
20:50 - The Ghost is no longer for Yuna to blame
27:46- Jin sees flaws in Shimura’s honor and accepts being a traitor (the Ghost)
39:15- Jin & Shimura must walk separate paths
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"I have no honour, but I will not kill my family" I couldn't help but feel this was a direct jab at Lord Shimura. Lord Shimura keeps going on and on about what honour is and should be, but in the end he would kill his nephew, his self chosen son, to keep his honour for the shogun. This, I think, is why Jin calls him out for being a slave to his honour.
Itd be quite interesting to disagreement between these two are brought back in the next game (if there is one). I doubt this final saying to Shimura would have a lasting impact but it would be great to see him reflect on it somehow. Possibly triggering the same thing Jin had gone through questioning himself and what he believed in
It depends what you value most and what you perceive to be the more honourable thing to do, you can’t be a “slave” to a concept
@@Saber23you can if you let it control your life. I have a code of honor, but I don’t let it rigidly control my life. I recognize there are times it will have to be bent or even broken. Shimura didn’t recognize that, he was going to follow his code to the letter, even if that meant killing his adoptive son
@@ntfoperative9432 the whole point is it controlling your life you idiot 🤣 if the rules you’ve set are meant to be broken in difficult times then they were never there to begin with, you don’t have a code of honour you just want to FEEL honourable when your life is easy
@@ntfoperative9432 the whole point is it controlling your life you idiot 🤣 if the rules you’ve set are meant to be broken in difficult times then they were never there to begin with, you don’t have a code of honour you just want to FEEL honourable when your life is easy
"I trained you to fight with honor!"
*"Honor died on the beach"*
Banzai
Lord Shimura: You have no honor.
Jin Sakai: And you're a slave to it!
My favorite quote from the game.
I would’ve liked for Shimura to say back to Jin, “Better than to live without it”. I think that would’ve been good.
You can never win cleanly when your enemy fights dirty
This is war. There is no honour in death.
Aaand that's how war crimes happen.
Thats how atrocities start. Both the Uncle and Jin could of done things differently.
The game wasn't making that point. Both Jin and Shimura are too deep at one end. Jin creating that poison messed up big time. And Shimura being too frontal about his attacks also got men killed.
If Shimura had listened to him, and instead of using poison, Jin just helped all the samurai to get into the fort without alerting the guards, not only they would have won the fort but the poison wouldn't spread across Tsushima.
@@imperialhistorian4201 never misplace playing tactically for playing unethically and brutality with honour
You know what I just realized. The guiding wind is implied to be Kazumasa, from the cutscene. The first thing Kazumasa led Jin to was Yuna. From the very beginning Kazumasa was giving Jin his blessing to continue on this path
Yes, same with the yellow birds that guide you to places of interest being Jin’s mother.
The yellow songbirds were said to be her favorite birds.
Yep, even Yuriko (Sakai Clans Caretaker) said Kazumasa would’ve approved of the Ghost. And yk that Lord Shimura really does not like the ghost Persona Jin has dawned. N according to Yuriko, Kazumasa said that Shimura is too damn Rigid.
also in the ghost stance, the wind points to the nearest enemy
@@Ootazfromda03even in the dlc it’s shown that kazumasa wasn’t exactly an honourable guy himself considering he was known as a butcher, in my eyes jin and his father basically ended up as the same person just with different targets and enemies
@@Kervin.duant123 Not just the DLC in the base game Yuriko talks about how they were attacked by Bandits once and Kazumasa flew into such a rage that he chased after them on foot and came back completely covered in blood
Ghost of tsushima will remain as one of the best games when it comes to storytelling and symbolism.
Just patiently waiting for the next game to be announced
@@CynicGTAit has been confirmed that got2 is in the works
I think that rdr2 is good to
@@user-og6sg2qi7yrdr 2 and ghost of tsushima are my 2 favorites, rdr 2 would be alot better if I had it on pc and could change arthur to my online character
@@ll4m4k1n9 confirmed by who?
It's funny that Lord Shimura wanted to mold him into his image. Conversely Kazumasa, Jins father, didn't quite see things the way Lord Shimura did and saw the futility of clinging on to honor. His father openly mocked the actions of Lord Shimura after a hard won battle on Iki Island. He told Jin:
"Let the Shimuras of the world keep records and manage councils..We are the lightning in the storm...The avalanche that topples a mountain."
Kazumasa was a very pragmatic man and after the death of his wife he took seven year old Jin onto the battlefield and raised a samurai instead of raising a son. On Iki he earned the title Butcher and was scorned by other samurai clans for his brutal tactics. To me Jin is more like his father than his uncle.
I completely agree. I think that's why for shimura it was important for jin to accept the shimura name and be adopted as his son. Shimura saw kazumasa's legacy in jin. The legacy of the butcher and that's why it hurt him so much when jin strayed from shimuras stricter version of the code and more towards kazumasas "whatever ensures victory" style of fighting, jin was showing him he was kazumasas son not shimuras. It adds a certain nature vs nurture layer to the story as well. Will jin follow the footsteps of his father, who saw him as more of a soldier or the man who truly raised him as a son. This game is so full of symbolism and metaphor, it's masterful.
Yuriko, the caretaker of Jin and served under Kazumasa also said that Kazumasa would approve the actions of The Ghost.
@@leodesalis5915 Shimura vex's me. He would preach honor but allow Kazumasa to run rampant as long as it achieves the desired results. In the second part of the game, he tells Jin that he needs to protect the ship leaving the harbor claiming he too has unsavory allies. To me Shimura knows the flaws of the samurai system but does nothing about while chastising Jin for actually doing something. To me, which I could be wrong, Jin and Kazamusa is what Shimura would be if he wasn't chained down so much.
@@nickwong2525 among other things. She did take care of his father after Jin's mother died.
One thing you didn’t mention that by the time the assault on Castle Shimura happened, Jin had already exploded. Taka’s murder at the hands of the Khan was his breaking point and the first time he fully let go of his emotions (the scream immediately after Taka’s death). Jin also went on a murder spree, killing all the remaining Straw Hats and at that point, Jin fully understood everything wrong with Shimura’s samurai code.
Simply put, Shimura’s samurai code wasn’t there to protect or serve the people, it was there to put the samurai on a pillar, to make them look high and mighty
Jin was the only person who understood what it truly meant to serve his people as a leader
To Shimura, it was to lead a charge and obtain victory by the means he deemed acceptable, so long as it didn’t cost him his honour
To Jin, being a leader meant to lead a charge and obtain victory, using whatever methods he must to save the lives of those he swore to protect
It made Jin brutal, merciless, cold and cruel, but to his people, he showed kindness, care, warmth and compassion
Shimura threw away lives to uphold his honour, Jin threw away honour to save lives
That’s the difference between them
This is kind of like Batman’s No Killing dilemma, except Jin ultimately goes against the code to do the right thing
Which is why Batman's code is so flawed; it costs lives everytime Batman doesn't kill the big bad
@@gaudiestivy4297 I think his rigid code is so that he doesn’t go full Punisher on all of Gotham’s villains. Some heroes who can rationalize their actions/make compromises, Batman’s psyche is so broken that it’s all or nothing for him
Exactly. It's exactly the batman code failing and being forced to admit that it's not going to work. Because Batman is willing to let millions of people die for his own code which is truly the most selfish thing I've ever seen. It's narcissistic in the worst case.
@@garrisonjones1827true Batman strives to embody the symbol of fear but also justice and unfortunately justice is blind,
he is breaking the law to impose what he believes true justice is but unfortunately stepping all the way might be more efficient but I believe Bruce no kill rule is a good thing , never crossing the line never making excuses or there will be no restrain as time goes on ,
it starts with justifying the murder of his greatest foes and slowly goes down to the murder of small crooks that could’ve been redeemed, the issue with Batman is on the front of Bruce Wayne he should make sure that all those criminals stay behind bars or in the case of joker be given the death sentence at some point, he has zero obligation to judge who gets to live or not if he was it wouldn’t be justice anymore
@@BlackMarvel25it truly depends on the writer, but let me play devils advocate, if Batman starts to kill his enemies while holding all the anger he holds , one slip up and he might kill somebody that could’ve been redeemed because yes killing most of his rogues would create a better gotham I suppose but then what comes after?, what if he kills a crook who could’ve been changed who’s crimes weren’t that deep,
murder is a very serious matter and Batman restraining himself from doing that is not narcissistic it’s at its core justice,
who is he to judge who gets to live, will he truly be able to stop when he starts killing and if he slips up and kill somebody that might be innocent but took the wrong path will he still be a hero?,
the biggest issue with his rogues is the fact that Bruce doesn’t try to build a plan on the legal front for them to face by law the death penalty,
allowing joker to live depending on the timeline can be very stupid and indeed narcissistic but the whole point of what Batman fears was in injustice where the justice league decided to embody the law and twist instead of true blind justice.
The irony was that Shimura was always talking about "Honour" yet he asks Jin to do the dishonorable thing of blaming everything on Yuna. Which is actually dishonorable in real sense.
its only dishonorable if it isnt pointed at you directly lol
Willful blindness. He saw these changes only occur in Jin after yuna came into the picture.
For real.
Fuck Shimura. Fuck anyone who'd rather throw his own men at the enemy to die when there's a simple way around it.
Honor just means "do what I say when I say it because those are the rules that some guy made up," yet it rarely actually means trying to save as many lives as you can.
If the Mongols came to take lives, then take theirs. Theirs no dishonor in saving people. There is dishonor in using your people as canon fodder just because "that's the way its always been done".
@kanekikingstorm2113 just like Shimura, you too are hopelessly stupid.
Sure, point the finger at the people who saved more lives and actually gave a fuck about their people and hated tonsee them used as fodder.
“A code must be determined by the individual. This is what I’ve decided” -Wolf
Jin wasn’t a traitor to Tsushima, he was a traitor to the samurai code of honor. He gave up everything he knew and loved, he sacrificed his way of life and his family in order to save his people
Yeah, he practically gave everything to save Tsushima
Fallout said it best:
"You're a hero.. and you have to leave"
Ghost of Tsushima is one of the greatest games ever made. It was robbed of the GoTY
1000% tlou2 is a disgrace and shame to the tlou franchise story wise
Who cares. We know its the best.
@@sugoi9680This. Just like anything else in life outside of sports. The best isn’t always recognized. Easily my favorite game of all time and I’ve been gaming since the original Nintendo days. Very few games that I will play again after beating, and I’ve must of played at least 6 play throughs of ghost already and still not done lol
@@winstonrhock9021 Dawg even in Sports you have fake champions like Tyson Fury
Yet good thing this game made it clear the game awards are bullshit
The Bridge with the explosives where not actually Samurai sent first, but mostly just peasant foot soldiers and none Samurai, Shimura was using the people of Yarikawa and the common folk as human first wave cannon fodder.
Another thing to mention is that even without the flashbacks while doing assassinations or poisoning he’ll say something along the lines of “it’s what needs to be done”. I’ve had him say that in main missions and outside in the open world.
Jin even comments about rolling after a big fall if you do it for the first time.
yeah especially if you use poison, gotta gice it to the devs, the poisoning animations are incredible, seeing the enemy writhe in pain for a few second and finally dying makes me want to use it way less,
I absolutely loved this game and the DLC expansion.
I still have to play the expansion. I think ima do all the side quests and clear the island before i do though. Im getting sucked back into it
“May your death benefit all beings”
@@ntfoperative9432 don't wanna spoil it to Cynic, but "that moment" was raw
The dlc was good however the audio bug still being there is ridiculous ruined so many scenes for me
I think the opening cutscene is also a good reflection of the over arching theme. Right away, Lord Adachi tries to fight the mongol leader with honor one on one and is brutally murdered. Shows us from the beginning that traditional methods and honor will not be enough to defeat the mongols.
If honour would cost everything you swore to protect, then it simply isn’t worth it
End of discussion
Honour is about what you swear your life to, it’s upholding a vow
Lord Shimura swore a vow to fight fairly, and serve the shogun, he’d do whatever it took to do those things
But Jin swore to protect his people
In that sense, Jin never sacrificed his honour, in fact one could argue he was just as honourable as Shimura
I always thought that Jin was doing the much more honorable thing by not allowing yuna to take the fall for his crime
This game and RDR2 are masterpieces that restore faith in what heights of emotionally investing story that games can truly reach.
The endings to both are just something else. I hope they make a second one
@@CynicGTA They just have to avoid Sweet Baby Inc.
i already said it but yeah those 2 are my favorite games
@@kjdee140what is sweet baby inc? I heard the name being brought up with assassins creed shadows drama
@@KyoshinRedthey're a consultant firm for games that shoehorn in LGBT and diversity in games, most of the time in games that it doesn't make sense to have. Like angrboda in god of war being black. They also strong arm stories when they think it doesn't do enough for inclusivity.
bro, lethal dificulty reflects this aspect of the story perfectly, you die in 1 or 2 shots and fighting more than 2 3 enemies is basically suicide if you do it the honorable way, i liled fighting enemies head on on medium and hard, but once i got to lethal, damn, after dying so many times i was forced to use the smoke bombs, a loth of stealth and pretty much all of my ghost weapons in combat
Game makes it clear. Playing fair is thrown out the window when they cover fields in burnt corpses
almost cried at the end of the vid. You did such a beautiful job going into detail the fall of Jins honor, his relationship with Lord Shimura, who he was as a person, and the rise of his new identity. Im very passionate about this game and im so so glad i stumbled upon your video
Who else thought,
"I don't remember seeing that face in rdr2?" And clicked anyway after realising it probably wasn't going to be what you thought ?
😂 cant blame you. I hope it didn’t totally disappoint that it wasnt RDR2
@@CynicGTA ha, na mate. I Don't mind any content as long as it's interesting. Just felt silly and knew someone else would have.
@@standardaussiewas it bcuz of the font of the text in the thumbnail? 😂
@@user-jy5nh6xo8t yeah that, the fact it was recommended on the back of an rdr2 vid, being put up next to a rdr2 vid, the fact I had to make a quick choice as I hate RUclips telling me what to watch next (auto select/play) and the little other info available in the thumbnail. But in short, yeah
One of the beautiful things about this game, is how it makes you question what is truly honorable.
What's interesting is, when you look deeper, both in history, and in the game, the various other lords seem to not mind using underhanded tactics themselves, even Jin's father, however those like Lord Shimura seem to be some of the few outliers.
I will always pick the wnding where Jin kills Shimura. To me, it feels like Jin's last moment of "true honor" by honoring the rules of the duel but also his uncles' wish. While Shimura was a slave to his honor, and Jin wasn't bound by sternly following the Samurai "code" he wanted to honor and make his uncle proud, by accepting the fact that he had to kill shimura. While i do get why people dont kill Shimura, since Jin is no longer an honorable samurai but a "do whatever it takes" warrior, i dont deel like it's the better ending. Even the game knows that killing Shimura is objectively the best ending since you get the ghost armor that better fits the title of Ghost. It's still kinda sad since Jin has no more blood family.
I always interpreted the ending where you dont kill Shimura not as Jin not having anymore honor and not honoring his uncle, but more as a “dude, all this stuff of honor is pointless. There’s no need to kill someone you love just because of some code of honor.” Showing it’s proof that Jin’s new way of living and thinking, isnt needlessly killing those he cares about, including his uncle. It’s all about saving his people.
There is no honor in being stupid. Its a man made custom just like Sepuku or Harakiri. Samurai witnessed this act and thought it was the coolest thing and started a stupid trend. Same difference.
When you choose to spare Shimura he says I have no honor. He highlights the fact that he is no longer Samurai (recognized by the Shogun) so he doesn't have to play by their rules anymore and throws it back in their face just like the Shogun wanted. It doesn't make sense to kill him except some form of twisted euthanasia. But most of the choices in this game had no impact so if you're forced to become the Ghost I don't get why you wouldn't let Shimura live.
im good i like jins black ghost armor set alot more, especially when you find the black dye shopkeeper so unc gets to live
True
There are arguments either way for both to be good AND bad endings
Because
Spare Shimura:
Pro: Jin has changed, he cannot bring himself to kill his uncle even if it means upholding honour, because he’s learned that honour doesn’t, SHOULDN’T mean more than life
Con: It once again dishonours both him, AND his uncle, they must both live on in shame
Kill Shimura:
Pro: Jin gives his uncle one last moment with his adopted son, one final honourable action, it upholds Shimura’s honour, and lets him rest easy to know his son isn’t ENTIRELY without honour
Con: It shows that Jin, to some extent, can still value honour over a life, which is a problem
And all the while, the Samurai code depicted in the game is a few hundred years ahead of its time and even then its depiction is a little over the top, Jin never would have been chastised for simply using the element of surprise (Pearl Harbor, anyone? Yes, the Japanese military still exhalted the same code).
I saw a video where someone who follows the bushido teachings said its not dishonorable to fight a dishonorable enemy with their tactics
Well they never claimed they were trying to be historically accurate. They wanted it to feel like medieval Japan, but their primary goal was to tell a story, and make a love letter to old samurai films, especially the works of Kurosawa
@@damiennormand7437 There was a video of a Japanese Historian and the director of the game interview. The historian has said there was arguments among Samurais on how such customs were like. That is probably one of the many many reasons Samurai lords have fought amongst each other.
the samurai code has loopholes just like any code, no country or society will be willing to meet its end just because of a set of rules
I mean you don't even have to look that far into the future, Oda Nobunaga one of the three unificator of japan, Became a famous damyo in historical Japan, after executing a massive ambush against his enemy at the battle of Okehazama. He won with only 3000 soldier against 25 000, by tricking his enemy into thinking his army was elsewhere, and charging their camp while they were unarmored and celebrating a recent victory.
One of the interesting thing to note is that well the proper Bushido only started developping during the late 16th century the same century when that battle took place. the term itself was only coined around 1616. And the code itself was only formalized during the Edo period under the Tokugawa Shogunate. Samurai code existed before that, but they were different, they started as treaty on training, and war, then started including more and more things about the samurai place in society and morality. This ultimately culminated into the Bushido, which was itself revised multiple times to fit the ideology and need of their times. The modern Bushido itself is different from the proto-Bushido of late 16th century.
For exemple during the late 16th century and early 17th century, many text put an emphasis on samurai serving multiple lord during their liefetime, or even winning at all cost. which is at odd with our modern interpretation of the Bushido.
This is a great breakdown. One of the best PS games of all time. This is one of those "in a dirty war nobody comes out clean" stories. Theres just no way anyone feels good about anything once the dust clears from the war.
I also believe the biggest reason he decided to not give up this tactic of defeating his enemies, was because of Taka’s death 30:43
Taka’s death broke him
Jin could MAYBE turn back, become an “honourable” samurai again
But once Khotun killed Taka so mercilessly, and threatened to kill more people, just to convince Jin to surrender, there was no more turning back, no going back to the samurai way
I’d say Jin’s one line was a bit untrue
Honour didn’t die on the beach, that’s where it was wounded and tested
Honour died with Taka
Ive always loved Suckerpunch since the Sly Cooper days. They just dont miss
They need to make another one of the best series of my childhood
Man, i rarely comment on any videos but i have to say that i really like the facto that you are convering other games and other characters besides the ones from Rdr. I really like your videos and its cool to see its expanded to other games :)
Thank you its humbling to read you saying this. It really means a lot. We’ll see how far i go into what games. There’s definitely more beyond just RDR thats for sure.
Something I like about the story is that we never actually see the shogun. In my opinion it plays into the games themes of loyalty and dogma. We are sworn to a man who never shows up and when he does do something he simply sends more warriors who almost Immediately die or became hostile towards you and those you fight for. The hypocrisy to demand so much respect yet not really helping at all. Look at the story. There are only two battles where the samurai do something for the good of tsushima. The first battle of Komoda Beach and the last battle in the north. The reason I don't include the battle to take back Lord Shimura's fortress is because the samurai don't really help all that much. They help in the first assault then Jin takes the actual fortress himself. And then they stay there awaiting orders from the shogun. In The last battle in the North it is Jin that has to convince his unckle to attack. From what we've seen of the shogun, he wouldn't like this at all. And after the battle the samurai stay in there fortress. The Mongols were still on the island and were still killing people. Then they demand obedience from the people they have not proven themselves to. A cool detail is that when Lord Shimura asks Jin to say their tenants, the first thing to be said is "loyalty to our lord". Then it's followed by honor. Then Lord Shimura even acknowledges that honor has to mean something. So Jin says that to him it means protecting people. Lord Shimura never gives his opinion on honor. He simply repeats the tenants. He premots loyalty to a Man who is never shown and preachs control when he doesn't seem to control himself, the shogun controls him. It shows how dogmatic the samurai are. It's not that there code itself is bad, it's the dogma that comes with it that cripples them. Jin by his nature at the start of the game show that he cares more about the people of tsushima than any other samurai in the game. Even the samurai who you recruit as allies show a cruel disregard towards the people of the island. Best example I have is that when the Mongols are about to attack a town Ishikawa who lives right next to the town is ready to use it as a distraction to go after his traitorous student. Jin calls him out and talks him out of it but my point still stands. I also like how Jin doesn't seem to hate the samurai. He understands that the samurai can be a good thing. I think that in the second game it would be interesting to see Jin actually have to deal with samurai more. They are trying to kill him and control the island. What happens if the people don't like that the shogun is trying to kill there saver. After all it wasn't the shoguns samurai that saved them. It was the Ghost. Their samurai died on the beaches of Komoda, yet now they have to show theses new samurai respect. Thats like if someone broke into my house and my neighbor come and saves me by shooting the guy then the police show up and try to kill my neighbor because he shot someone. Then expect me to thank them later.
Sorry for the rant. Have some snacks. 🍪🍩🍦🍫🍬🍭🍰🍡🥮
"honor died on the beach" man that hits so hars
I sometimes remember how honor is put into so much of Japanese history and it’s what they lived by. You die for your nation, surrender isn’t an option, and you must respect tradition. I don’t feel to mention world war 2 but that was the main motive for soldiers. Seeing all the lives lost I feel a reference to that, honor is a huge cost to make even for millions of lives.
What good is honor if keeping it means your home and all your loved ones get tortured and destroyed?
This story is a great at teaching you to never assume your opponent won't fight dirty.
1:30-1:47 Oh my god you are so right about the overshadowing thing. I feel the same. The game is appreciated a lot for its stunning visuals and slick gameplay but what made me play again and again and again was the story and story telling of it.
I have played games before of heroes. I always felt badass when I played those games, never really felt the cost it has on one until I played Ghost of Tushima.
“ask the dead if honor matters...
Their silence is your answer.” -Javik, Mass effect 3
Rarely does a game have so many moving parts that all work towards a cohesive story and play experience. I've been more invested in this game than most others I've ever played.
Awesome video, glad you cover other games as well
When they lit homie on fire.....fuck the rules
Great video! Really enjoyed this one bro
Glad you enjoyed
The ending broke me. Openly wept during the credits. This needs to be a series or a movie
You know theyre making a movie right?
To quote javik from mass effect 3 "Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer."
Only because he abandoned the honor code to win the war.
I enjoyed my playthrough a lot. I started out doing nothing but fighting enemies head on, and found that by the end, I was taking out entire mongol strongholds without being seen.
"You have no honor."
"Sorry?"
"You have no hono-"
"No, I heard you; its just that you talk of honor when you would charge a base head on when you fully know that the Mongols will kill captives if they have any feeling that they are under attack"
Literally 90% of the mongol base raids where stop these morons from killing hostages
Ironically if Jin never became the ghost even the mainland would've been overtaken by the mongols so he's actually a hero but its because of his heroism that the shogun brands him a traitor kinda like fallout 1 where the reward for your heroism is also exile.
Not just that, the Shogun's pride as well, because the people were looking towards The Ghost as their hope against the Mongols, instead of the Shogun.
thank you for covering another amazing game
Im glad you enjoyed it. Ghost of Tsushima is probably my favorite “sony exclusive”. I may do a few more videos on the game👀
@@CynicGTAhave you considered doing the last of us or have you already
Ya know ive been very heavily considering covering both. I love those games and the individual stories there is to tell from one character to another
I personally found that sparing Lord Shimura is the canon ending myself. Jin at this point had fully accepted his role as The Ghost, putting aside his code of honor he has been raised upon and embracing the tactics, while brutal and dishonorable, succeeded in driving away the Mongols. Killing Shimura and giving him an honorable death feels like it would’ve gone against everything Jin stood for: using his methods for the enemy, never the innocent people of Tsushima, hence why his line of “I have no honor…but I will not kill my family” hits so hard.
i strongly disagree
And so the old proverb is proven right once more: No good deed goes unpunished.
Honestly I think Jin could've handled the siege at sushima castle differently, you didn't have to poison everyone when you can just clear the gate from behind and let shimura and his men enter, the guy is capable of fighting multiple Mongols for crying out loud,
and Secondly why is everyone in tsushima treating Jin like he is some kind of prometheus after discovering poison that everyone else's started learning from him, did they have no concept of how to make poison of any kind before him???
I guess the game really wants to force you down that path of being a "ghost" and I can see why from a contextual perspective if they ever planned on making a sequel but I can't help but feel they could've handled it differently, I'm sure there's a way of still being a samurai of a clan and fighting the shogun or if ever redeeming myself from a ghost to a samurai again to the eyes of the shogun without having shimura killed off canonically for the sake of the plot
Clear the gate? Bro the bridge was broken first of all even if he did clear the gate more samurai die also there was a whole army in that camp so he had to poison and also assassinate Also no one thought of poison also the people in Tsushima are worthless civilians so of course there gonna praise him for keeping the mongols away from the camp
I guess the idea is that the poison was obscure and passed down by specific families for pest control, never to be twisted to use on human lives. So while poison was known as a means of killing vermin and dishonourable assassination, it was never seen as a means of mass warfare. Meanwhile, the Mongols didn’t have it in their arsenal until Jin used it against them en mass, and they certainly had no qualms about using it against their enemies in a way that the samurai couldn't.
So while you're right that it's not as if Jin invented the concept of poison, he was the one who opened pandoras box so to speak.
To me, Jin is a true hero. He is dedicated to saving his own people even at the cost of his own tradition and future with his uncle. He lost his birth family, but in return, he has earned a found family in people like Yuna.
Also, Jin learns where Lord Shimura doesn't.
There was no good outcome for that ending. Usually I don't particularly care for that type of scenario to close a game or a story, but it worked so well here. Either you spare Shimura and dishonor him or kill him and have to live with that choice. The writing, voice acting, and animation all coalesced into poignant, moving art. This game was a masterpiece.
5:50 You can actually “repair” the armor! If you complete the 8th Masako Tale “The Conspirator” you’ll unlock the Seasons of War armor dye for the Samurai Clan Armor which is the same armor he wore at Komoda Beach
37:59: It would not suprise me if the Shogun saw The Ghost as a 2nd rebellion. The Ghost does not fight in face to face battles. The legend currently is confined on Tsushima, but the word will eventually reach the mainland. The Ghost has no borders, allies from every walk of life. Currently a single enemy (the Mongols), but how does the Shogun know for certain it will stay that way? Jin is right to do what he does, but so is Shimura and the Shogun.
Face them, like a warrior.
*Jin drenched in blood*
"B..but uncle it's all I understand."
Lord Shimura was extremely lucky that Jin was so competent. Because anytime he commanded a mission in the main campaign his "plan" of charging straight at enemies with no soldiers to back him up other than Jin and no strategy whatsoever, would have ended in utter failure with anyone else. He was an extremely poor leader with the most competent soldier to make up for his utter lack of strategy.
Can’t lie I want a dlc where Jin never turns his back on the code and then he dies upholding the code leaving Tsushima to get taken over by the mongols
One of the best games i have ever played, and that is no exaggeration.
I remember on the last part, googling for an hour before picking my ending
I think i just wanted the cooler armor
Love your videos
Yoooo, i can’t believe i missed this! Thank you so much! I’m just happy to see you’re watching and enjoying this videos. But this…thank you so much
‘You have no honor.’ ‘And you are a slave to it!’
I never got around to playing this game when it originally came out but I would absolutely play this game if I get the chance
Definitely recommend it. Its on sale on PlayStation pretty often. But with it coming to pc, id personally recommend it there if you have the hardware. But thats just me because im looking forward to the higher fps. Either way, beautiful game with a very interesting story
It is the "Eastern" to RDR2 as a "Western"
No, because "Western" in that instance refers to a film genre. There's no such thing as an "Eastern" genre.
@@jcage1022there is now, it’s ghost of Tsushima 💪🏿💪🏿
Great watch the whole thing
If jin born in the shenguku jedai he wouldn't be blammed as a traitor
they already stated that the sequel will be jin gonna save his uncle once again which is being held by shogunate on the main land
This made me think of the hospitaller from kingdom of heaven and what he says aswell as king baldwin
Honor takes you only so far before you realize it’s not about you believe in but what you choose to fight for.
At the end of the game, I honestly believe that Lord Shimura probably did think about the hypocrisy of the Samurai’s Code of Honor and that Jin was right that he was a Slave to it. But if Shimura didn’t have that, then what does he have in the end? It was just the sadness in his voice and that he has to force himself to suppress his feelings about Jin for the sake of Honor and Honor to the Shogun.
The “Honor Died on The Beach.” line Jin says is probably my favorite quote from this game. Because what would you have done if you were in Jin’s shoes as the Mongols were ruthless savages and the Samurai with Honor died like nothing? Honor got him only so far that when it ran out, he had to resort to darker ways that opposed the teachings of Honor and the Samurai.
Jin being “Tsushima’s Greatest Traitor” in the end is one way to look at it, but he became the Hero it needed. He had to be the Ghost because the ruthlessness of the Mongols accounted for the strategies of the Samurai. But a Ronin? One that takes the Samurai Way and Twists it to their will to go toe-to-toe with the Mongols? That’s how he would be able to stand against them and gather the help from the people because he wasn’t fighting for the Samurai against the Mongols, but the People.
The Samurai served who’s in charge, really, but Jin, as the Ghost, fought for Tsushima and its people. Honor can get you so far but when it’s you with your back against the wall, honor goes out the window when respecting your enemy. You can still respect them but it’s your life or theirs in the end.
Soooooo... Samurai Batman. Not the heroe they deserved, but the one they needed.
When I finished the game I found myself in Jin's shoes because of how Jin eventually goes against what is tradition having been raised in the traditional ways of what it means to be a samurai.
In my own ethnic culture, you must have an elder represent (an uncle within the same clan/last name as you) you as the elder would speak and act for you to the clan and whomever. Having not been raised in a traditional upbringing I did many disrespectful acts that went against tradition. As I was label a troublemaker/disrespectful person because I believe in speaking for myself while trampling upon what was traditional (women in my ethnic culture do not speak, only men). To this day, I still don't practice old traditions since it's useless and it only feeds into one's ego (most of the elderly exaggerate about the good things they've done and how they represented their family or clan). it's as if, they're stuck back in their one room shack of a village thinking they're someone of importance when they're not. I'm sure some would say I'm exaggerating my post, but then I beg to differ because of how my family was treated like outcast/black sheep and my personal experience within my traditional culture has only been a negative experience.
But it's why I love Ghost of Tsushima even though it's a just a video game, but the meaning of Jin becoming The Ghost holds A LOT of weight when you breakdown the writing/story telling like Cynic did in this video (I enjoyed the entire video and still the game).
38:00 The Mongols do poison a well in the first act, so technically the Mongols were already using poison. That said, I think the Mongols probably would have done so anyways. We've seen they aren't against massacre and setting people on fire. Jin was probably only the catalyst since the island offered increasingly more resistance.
One thing I kind of disliked about this game, despite loving it immensely; I felt like it forced me to be “dishonorable.” I wanted to play with honour, I almost never used the “underhanded” tactics unless I was forced to, yet I was still forced into the role of being dishonorable.
it would have been cool if they had alternate scenes and endings based on your actions
Oh shit im pumped for this
The reason why Jin is in the right and Shimura is in the wrong is highlighted by the game in every single major character's storyline. Every one of them, Yuna, Ishikawa-sensei, Masako (I actually forgot her name, the vengeful old lady), and even the monk from the second act of the game, they all at the end of the day, chose their family and friends over their ambition and honour. For Yuna she loved Taka more than anything in the world, Ishikawa let Tomoe go, Masako almost abandoned the friends and left the lover she had found in persuit of her goals, only to regret it and move on at the end, and the monk abandoned the teachings of the temple and specifically the importance of religious symbols instead choosing to save the actual people around him. Meanwhile all the villains, specifically the Khan, talk about is the ambitions, and the "honour" (ironically enough) of leaving the mark in history, by any means necessary, even specifically preparing to betray his own brother in order to become the big big mongol guy. So no, Shimura-san, I ain't siding with you on this honour business, that's not what the game had taught me.
The game even spells it out for us very deliberately at the end of Ishikawa plotline, he quite literally turns to the camera and says "don't repeat my mistakes", I gotchu homie
You should cover the expansion for the game.❤
I will. Ya know i absolutely love this game and every single time i play it i get sucked right back into it. But i have yet to actually play the dlc. I dont know why i keep pushing it to the side
@@CynicGTAhonestly, in a story telling sense, I think it’s appropriate to leave Iki until after the Campaign. Now that Jin has secured Tsushimas future, he must now confront his past
I killed shimura in the end because nobody crosses blades with the ghost and lives to tell , aside from lady masako
12:16 ah yes, her tuition and wit. I can't wait to see how her student loan debt helps us in the end!
He and Miyamoto Musashi have a lot in common when it comes to going against samurai tradition; That's definitely someone he should come across and learn from in the sequal,
The video game was awesome through-and-through one of the best I've seen and played thus far, (next to red dead redemption 2) keep up the good work sucker punch; As far as the character of jin sakai goes I do not consider him a hypocrite or a tratior to honor at all, He continued to show himself to be the most honorable, more so than his uncle due to the fact that he valued innocent lives more than the need to appease the rigid dogma of the bushido code for the sake of his uncle and the shogun, they were facing an enemy that was using their code against them to take over the land and the people and jin saw no other choice but to break away from that in order for his people and his country to survive the murderous onslaught of the mongols, Thus it forced him down a path that he was Initially resistant to but ultimately embraced for the good of everyone Which in turn has made him a beloved living legend among his people as well as tsushima's very own japanese zorro, He may have sacrificed and lost everything because of the harsh choices he was forced to make, but he also gained a whole lot more from his willingness to sacrifice and lose everything for the greater good of all and he for a video game character has my utmost respect for that.
His uncle however is the villain of his own story because he was willing to sacrifice an innocent woman like jin's friend yuna to the shogun and blame the poisoning of the mongols on her; something a man of honor should never do, so I personally don't care about lord shimura's pain, he deserves it and what better way for him to suffer more than to be spared and live with the humiliation of having his own nephew and "son" go on to become a better person and greater legend than him, the shogun and the entire class of the samurai. LONG LIVE THE GHOST!!! 🔥💯😉😁👍
He is not Tsushima's traitor he was traitor of shogun and the hero of tsushima The 'Ghost'
Jin did the right thing anybody could've done in his position, and was branded a traitor for it
As of commenting this, not one person has watched this whole video.
How dare you mark this
Did…..did anyone watch the whole thing now?
Sorry to disappoint you, I watched the whole thing
@@achillesholmes3622 Well it commented three damn days ago, I'd hope you watched it by now.
@@MasonStevens9863 I watched it in one sitting
Reminds a lot of the phoenix jin had a good life but then it was destroyed so he rose from the ashes of battle and burned his way to the khan
to forsake one’s morals and way of life takes the utmost strength. had jin not, tsushima would have fallen. if anyone should question their way of life and stubbornness, it should be the samurai way that nearly led to their fall
You know, the funny thing is the real life Samurai Code was rather....dubious at best and often depended on the individual samurai or clan on how it was interpreted. Many samurai historically have been documented of doing many types of atrocities, be it during the Sengoku Jidai, the Imjin War, or other conflicts, they had no problem butchering or razing entire settlements when it came to war, so I am not sure why Shimura was soo shocked at what Jin did all things considered. Especially when much of these atrocities were condoned and encouraged by the Daimyo and Shogun, on top of the fact they frequently backstabbed each other and made use of Shinobi to assassinate each other, who ironically were actually more loyal to their lords than actual samurai.
I just gave Lord Shimura his honour today Rip 😢❤
Me too
Bro saved his country and got no “Thank you” or rewards 😂 instead got called a traitor.
You should really see Gaijin Goomba's video about Ghost of Tsushima. That video is an excellent presentation on how Jin is the purest form of the word "shinobi". Also, there's also another hidden comment Jin makes to himself. You'll have to throw a Black Powder Bomb from stealth and Jin will mutter, "There's no honor in this." Before resolutely stating, "The Mongols don't deserve honor."
Finally, I have plenty to say about the final duel with Shimura. When both men draw their swords, they drop their sheathes, indicating that both men don't expect to re-sheath their swords afterward, indicating that both men are ready to die in this duel. And lastly, it always struck me as odd that Jin would put on the Ghost mask out of nowhere in the Spare ending until it hit me: this whole game was the story of Jin's journey from honorable Samurai to the legendary Ghost. By sparing Lord Shimura, Jin was forsaking the last vestiges of his Samurai honor he was raised in. His transformation is now complete. He is now and truly the Ghost of Tsushima.
He shall spend the rest of his life hunted... until the Mongols try again seven years later.
Saved for after I finish the game
The thing is, the honor made shimura too predictable. While mongols fights in formation, in units
My only major criticism of the game is that the player isn't offered any agency in the story. When I first played it I was determined to do an honourable playthrough and I was extremely disappointed when I realised it wasn't possible. Yes, the game wants to tell it's story and that's fine, but I would have loved the option to do both an honourable and dishonourable playthrough instead of being forced to embrace the ghost. Great game though.
Lord shimura, is a poor commander
Never be a slave in what you believe in ☝️ Jin was a legend, he deserves better. He saved his people, and now is enemy number one 🤷 Shimura will reflect and learn from Jin.
Ghost of Tsushima is and forever will be the best samurai game I have ever played.
A game about destroying the samurai code is the the best samurai game.
Yep this is peak 😂
@@lovellofwarbecause it still shows the samurai code etc irrelevant that your character breaks it which is written well
@@afriendlycadian9857 peak 🤣
I got the flashbacks during random open world events and that made it so much better! Great story, can’t wait for the second one!
A good utilitarian vs deontology game
Real
Fine fine I'll replay the game AGAIN🙄
Everyone in the world says Tsushima differently 😂
Bro…😂. Even the devs swap out the pronunciation. We just go with “whatever feels right” i guess
I personally go with Sue-Shi-Ma
@@ntfoperative9432i remember I used to say tu-shima for some reason when it first dropped
Sue-She-Ma
@@K0RVAA two-shim-ahhhhhh
As enjoyable as this game was, it's also insanely ahistoric. There never was this MUH HONORABRU Japanese Samurai culture lmao. They'd find 0 issue with Jin Sakai's actions in a war with the mongolians.