Whats crazy is i bought the newest Milwaukee m18 fuel drill set second hand and the guy gave me these 2 batteries the old 3.0 xc and a newer cp3.0 high output not the 5.0 that comes original with the set but its cool i got a great deal so i love that tjis video was made
The cells in the xc 30 aren't 1300mah, they are 1500mah. 1500x2= 3000mah =3.0. Also it's not 15amps, it's 30amp. You are running 2 1500mah cells in parallel to get double the amperage
No 18650s are not maxed out at 15amps. There are plenty of cells that have 20-30amps. The problem is the more amps the cell puts out the less capacity the cell can hold. It's a trade off.
I picked up the 2 3ah 21700 batteries for $99 for the bare tool 18 Gauge Brad nailer I am going to pick up. I like getting the info on the new cp batteries. Thanks for the video BOSS.
This is a useful demonstration but did you forget to multiply the maximum current rating by two for the dual bank pack? That would give it a rating of 30A for the dual 18650 (18 mm diameter, 65 mm length, and 0 means cylindrical shape) compared to 35 for the single row 21700 pack.
As you get to bigger cells like a single 4.0/5.0, the constant current draw is much lower. A 5.0 will often have only like 10A current draw, which is just way too low except for low power applications.
The 3 XC only ran my wet dry for about 15 minutes. they are the bottom tier batteries that came with the bottom tier brushed kit I bought. I'll keep an eye out for deals on better ones
Although I understand that the CP is designed to give certain tools better performance, I still wish that Milwaukee or Makita, or anyone else would bring out a truly compact 3.0 like Hitachi has. I have 5 of those Hitachi 3.0 batteries and they are by far my favorite battery for drills, impacts, nailers or anything handheld. It’s the most ideal compact 18v battery out there, truly no bigger than any standard 2.0 or 1.5 out there. I don’t really understand why nobody else has copied it... Enjoyed the video TB.
The hitachi uses 18650's, the samsung 30q. Probably one of the best 18650 cells but it only has 15a max output. The 21700's are rocking 35a, huge difference in potential power output. Not saying the hitachi packs are bad, they are one of the lightest 3.0ah around.
Yeah they have 18650’s but higher capacity than average cells. For driving, drilling and pin/brad nailers I like the compact and efficient capacity. Granted, there are many tools that absolutely benefit from 21700’s no doubt.
Have you tried the core 4.0 in your idh182 the 21700 cells does it give that tool more Kahuna's I know my 6.3 ah core does those 21700 are no joke put it also depends in the application it's in the temperature all kind of factors but you're correct on me size set those cells are much bigger which makes the battery longer in a low profile version enjoy that 3.0 Milwaukee I'm sure you're going to have plenty of use for
Tool Boss, Thanks for that video on the milwaukee batteries. This should help a lot of people on picking the correct batteries. I have to say i do like the milwaukee 8.0ah (H.O) for my mud mixer, sawzall and blower. The 5.0 i use it on the impact wrench once in awhile. I like the new compact 3.0ah (H.O) on my surge, gen 3 drill & 1/4" impact. Now, i wish milwaukee could have added a power cord on this vacuum (gen 2) model. I understand their cordless model but for this one particular item it should have had a dual power. Then it would have been a sweet deal. DeWalt did it and works great. Don't get me wrong the milwaukee is also good but it needs a dual power. Maybe they will come out with a large shop vac like Ridgid. Now that will be sweet.
Electric tools will heat up and become less efficient and go through batteries faster. To be a fair comparison you should have let the vacuum rest for an hour before testing the next battery.
Definitely not enough of a difference to justify the cost of the CP3.0. The way I see it, overall the battery is not smaller and barely lighter to even notice
Its compact compared to the other high output line. Cp batteries are 1 row of cells then there is a 2 layer of cells and them a 3 layer of cells battery.
The one row 4.0ah is really pushing it for these cells. I don’t see a 5.0ah and definitely nothing larger from current battery technology. I’d really be very impressed if that core 4.0ah is actually 4.0 I would say it’s honestly closer to 3.5ah that’s 3500mah per cell and that is more reasonable for a 21700 cell. 3000mah is max on the 18650 cells which in a single row series connection would be a 3.0ah
Your biggest gain with the 21700 cells is the higher discharge rate which is what allows the tools to draw more current which in turn makes them more powerful and what allows them to stay cooler.
Janes Fair 4.0 is entirely possible for 21700 cells, they have 50% more volume than 18650 cells. The Samsung INR21700-40T cells are indeed 4000mAh with 35A max continuous discharge. No one has a 21700 5000mAh high discharge cell, and I doubt we will see one, but they might get to 4500mAh.
Second Go-a charm like the other video I guess you had technical difficulties with the edited that's why you deleted it and re-edited I guess I think that 3.0 is about the same size as my bosch core 6.3 ah battery the old 18650 version crazy and I think if I remember correctly your core 4.0 it's pretty much the same profile as the new 3.0 maybe Bosch will do the 5.0 first who knows not sure about DeWalt
Good review/test Boss. I'm not convinced yet on these H.O. batteries at least for cordless impacts. They are longer/wider look like they make the tool more cumbersome. I can understand their place in higher demand applications like weed whackers, vacuums or saws.
Amps add in pareallel. So two layers of a 15 amp battery makes it a 30 amp pack. You are compaeing a 30 amp pack to a 35 amp pack.
Just bought a 2 pack of 3ah high output Milwaukee batteries for $99. Definitely worth it at that price.
Whats crazy is i bought the newest Milwaukee m18 fuel drill set second hand and the guy gave me these 2 batteries the old 3.0 xc and a newer cp3.0 high output not the 5.0 that comes original with the set but its cool i got a great deal so i love that tjis video was made
Do a comparison of an M18 HO 8.0 vs HD 9.0
Do it already
No one does it for some reason. It should be a no brainer that everyone wants to see the 8.0 vs 9.0.
Yeah I agree. If anyone has an update on this comparison post it here
The cells in the xc 30 aren't 1300mah, they are 1500mah. 1500x2= 3000mah =3.0. Also it's not 15amps, it's 30amp. You are running 2 1500mah cells in parallel to get double the amperage
No 18650s are not maxed out at 15amps. There are plenty of cells that have 20-30amps. The problem is the more amps the cell puts out the less capacity the cell can hold. It's a trade off.
the new 3.0 batteries are able to provide a boost or more amps for tools that need it. like impact wrench
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I picked up the 2 3ah 21700 batteries for $99 for the bare tool 18 Gauge Brad nailer I am going to pick up. I like getting the info on the new cp batteries. Thanks for the video BOSS.
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This is a useful demonstration but did you forget to multiply the maximum current rating by two for the dual bank pack? That would give it a rating of 30A for the dual 18650 (18 mm diameter, 65 mm length, and 0 means cylindrical shape) compared to 35 for the single row 21700 pack.
Thanks for the comparison TB. Really enjoy when you go into battery tech or when you talk about the big box store finance and stuff.
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2's, 3's, 8's for me. I have needed a 2 before, due the profile when changing struts on a truck. 👍
As you get to bigger cells like a single 4.0/5.0, the constant current draw is much lower. A 5.0 will often have only like 10A current draw, which is just way too low except for low power applications.
The 3 XC only ran my wet dry for about 15 minutes. they are the bottom tier batteries that came with the bottom tier brushed kit I bought. I'll keep an eye out for deals on better ones
Although I understand that the CP is designed to give certain tools better performance, I still wish that Milwaukee or Makita, or anyone else would bring out a truly compact 3.0 like Hitachi has. I have 5 of those Hitachi 3.0 batteries and they are by far my favorite battery for drills, impacts, nailers or anything handheld. It’s the most ideal compact 18v battery out there, truly no bigger than any standard 2.0 or 1.5 out there. I don’t really understand why nobody else has copied it... Enjoyed the video TB.
Well not sure what cell the Hitachi 3.0ah uses but if it's the 21700 should be same size ..I think the 20700 is a perfect in-between 👌👍✌️
The hitachi uses 18650's, the samsung 30q. Probably one of the best 18650 cells but it only has 15a max output. The 21700's are rocking 35a, huge difference in potential power output. Not saying the hitachi packs are bad, they are one of the lightest 3.0ah around.
Yeah they have 18650’s but higher capacity than average cells. For driving, drilling and pin/brad nailers I like the compact and efficient capacity. Granted, there are many tools that absolutely benefit from 21700’s no doubt.
Can you drive a couple of big lag screws with a Fuel impact to see if the High Output battery reduces the time to drive it?
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Have you tried the core 4.0 in your idh182 the 21700 cells does it give that tool more Kahuna's I know my 6.3 ah core does those 21700 are no joke put it also depends in the application it's in the temperature all kind of factors but you're correct on me size set those cells are much bigger which makes the battery longer in a low profile version enjoy that 3.0 Milwaukee I'm sure you're going to have plenty of use for
Tool Boss,
Thanks for that video on the milwaukee batteries. This should help a lot of people on picking the correct batteries.
I have to say i do like the milwaukee 8.0ah (H.O) for my mud mixer, sawzall and blower. The 5.0 i use it on the impact wrench once in awhile. I like the new compact 3.0ah (H.O) on my surge, gen 3 drill & 1/4" impact.
Now, i wish milwaukee could have added a power cord on this vacuum (gen 2) model. I understand their cordless model but for this one particular item it should have had a dual power. Then it would have been a sweet deal. DeWalt did it and works great. Don't get me wrong the milwaukee is also good but it needs a dual power.
Maybe they will come out with a large shop vac like Ridgid. Now that will be sweet.
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Electric tools will heat up and become less efficient and go through batteries faster. To be a fair comparison you should have let the vacuum rest for an hour before testing the next battery.
Got 2 of these for $99.99 at Home Depot today, pretty happy, the cp3.0 ho
Definitely not enough of a difference to justify the cost of the CP3.0. The way I see it, overall the battery is not smaller and barely lighter to even notice
Yea not really to much of a price difference..I was talking hypothetical..at least on Amazon anyway 👌👍✌️
Was able to pick up a package of 2 CP 3.0 high output batteries for $100 at home depot black fri sale. Always keep an eye on home depot
@@caseyk6625 Exactly, it's like every battery, wait for a sale or promo because they are all expensive at full msrp.
Its compact compared to the other high output line. Cp batteries are 1 row of cells then there is a 2 layer of cells and them a 3 layer of cells battery.
Is the 35 min accurate charge time on CP 3.0 on both the supercharger and the rapid charger?
give all batteries with the 21700 cells more power then the 18650 cells?
A 5ah battery with 21700 cells would have no power. A 5ah cell would only get you 10-15amps. They wouldn't be high output at that point.
Can do also run time of makita
18v,6ah vs 40v,4ah
My fan eats up cp 3.0 batteries . My rapid charger charges the cp 3.0 in 15 mins
Does this new battery use same charger as the xc batteries?
Yes sir
The one row 4.0ah is really pushing it for these cells. I don’t see a 5.0ah and definitely nothing larger from current battery technology. I’d really be very impressed if that core 4.0ah is actually 4.0 I would say it’s honestly closer to 3.5ah that’s 3500mah per cell and that is more reasonable for a 21700 cell. 3000mah is max on the 18650 cells which in a single row series connection would be a 3.0ah
Your biggest gain with the 21700 cells is the higher discharge rate which is what allows the tools to draw more current which in turn makes them more powerful and what allows them to stay cooler.
Janes Fair 4.0 is entirely possible for 21700 cells, they have 50% more volume than 18650 cells. The Samsung INR21700-40T cells are indeed 4000mAh with 35A max continuous discharge. No one has a 21700 5000mAh high discharge cell, and I doubt we will see one, but they might get to 4500mAh.
Thanks for the info Tool Boss!
Reupload?
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Second Go-a charm like the other video I guess you had technical difficulties with the edited that's why you deleted it and re-edited I guess I think that 3.0 is about the same size as my bosch core 6.3 ah battery the old 18650 version crazy and I think if I remember correctly your core 4.0 it's pretty much the same profile as the new 3.0 maybe Bosch will do the 5.0 first who knows not sure about DeWalt
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How many cells does a XC 5.0 have
Did you even watch the video?
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Thanks buddy ..hope all is well my man 👊👌🙏😉
Great video tool boss
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You need to get out of reviewing or technology in general you’re trying to explain to people and I don’t think you even understand the situation
Great review some good points
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Good review/test Boss. I'm not convinced yet on these H.O. batteries at least for cordless impacts. They are longer/wider look like they make the tool more cumbersome. I can understand their place in higher demand applications like weed whackers, vacuums or saws.
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