Is sealed Wax dead? Not even Vintage is safe from the CT scanner.
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- CT scanning has been the talk of the hobby for the last few months. We thought vintage sealed boxes would be safe, we were wrong.
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Honest question here...who is doing the scanning videos? Where is the video of this being done? All we have seen is photos.
Problem is the $75 per pack price is from THAT company
When this leaked there were dozens of CT scanners on CL and FBM and they are gone
Once someone has a scanner you can scan EVERY box for almost no cost
THIS. People don't seem to realize scanning prices are going to zero faster than $DJT
If youre running one of these places and someone sends you the wemby box with the 1/1.... Whats stopping you from buying another box, scanning it, and passing that back 😅😅
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@@kellenjohnson77 dumass just say box lost in shipping lmfao
Good point
you could have scanned your topps sapphire box and be down $75 instead of being down $600.
Show me a VIDEO THAT SHOWS SCANNING A SEALES BOX OF ANYTHING GIVE ME A LINK WHERE THEYBARE GOING THROUGH SEALED BOX SHOWING DIFFERENT CARDS IN DIFFERENT PACKS
Why are you yelling lol.
First they pretty much priced ke out of the market. Now once I save up for my 1 super expensive boxes a year now I have to worry about this crap.
You want a camera to actually video tape the box in the CT scanning room?
@KK-pm7ud - I think he’s asking for the scanned image. This works for some high end products that have less cards in a box, but can it scan accurately when there’s 100s of cards like a Prizm box for instance
IM KINDA CURIOUS HOWMDOES A FOIL (ALUMINUM) product that reflects or makes harder to see because radiation reflects from medal go into foil packs inside a sealed box and the cards are foil prize or Select for example
In light of all this, will you still buy boxes of Pokemon?
I was just down at CT Cards and Clinic. They are having a sale on sealed packs, boxes, and cases. Really great prices, below market. The sign on the desk says, ABSOLUTELY NO, THESE PRODUCTS WERE NOT SCANNED. SCOUTS HONOR. Well, what else can you say. I mean, dropping thousands on sealed wax is perfectly OK if you have scouts honor! Right? 😸
Here’s what’s happening right now. A group of investors have bought their own CT machine and they’re quietly buying up all the unopened boxes of 2009 Topps chrome basketball and they’re scanning them all looking for the missing Steph Curry 1 of 1 Superfractor that’s expected to be worth 5 to 10 million. They’re holding the boxes they scan that don’t have it, once they find it they’ll keep it quiet while they sell all the boxes they know it’s not in. Then they’ll crack the box it’s in on stream and go viral. They’ll get the money from the card and the viral videos.
Wait hear me out for a second this actually may be a good thing for the hobby and that it will make people now possibly look at lower end retail which doesn't have the value or stress level of ripping which takes us back to the era of truly collecting a car instead of selling it for profit
naw, in 5 years this will all be automated and your $100 box of Topps Series 1 will be GUARANTEED to have zero hits that pay for the box
🤔....Damn if you bring in automation, you can basically vendor every single product.
So don’t run out and buy a 2003-2004 Upper Deck Exquisite Basketball Box?
Well if you put lead in the packaging that would block the CT, however you'd then have a waste disposal problem. Perhaps there is a composite material that blocks x-rays. A CT scanner is nothing more than an x-ray tube rotating in a circle & using software to reconstruct the image.
So is this why all of sports cards between 2000-2012 so expensive
People have to stop focusing on the quoted prices to scan the boxes. You need to focus on the opportunity cost or marginal cost if you actually own a scanner. That is where the cost is. The other important thing to understand is that all you need to do is scan the box within a case to find the case it. In a case of 12, it might take 10 boxes to find the hit. Other times it might only take 2 boxes to find the hit. And then you can resell the boxes in that case individually or even the packs you didn't open. The economic threshold isn't as high as everyone is saying for these boxes. And the best time to scan these is when the boxes are first released because that is the time you know that they are probably least likely searched and the cards pulled are probably at their highest. Wax values are destroyed. People who didn't see this before either were keeping their heads in the sand or were just trying to unload their boxes before the obvious drop. The second order consequence will be a huge drop in the card values too since the value of the cards comes also from the value of the boxes. You've been warned. Again.
Newer cards company should put small medal pieces in the packs, so when put in scanner the medal will shred the cards to keep them from doing scans
I still think there will be more than enough of the 1% that will throw away money on that stuff even if they know it might be scanned. Just more gambling for them.
Another potential concern if the manufacturers develop some sort of color changing sticker or packaging would be to make sure it isn’t impacted by other X-ray type technology at airports or the post office, etc.
that seems like a secondary concern, wax will be like guns, in person deals only
pro tip anyone can get a ct scan now....what little investment you be golden for life. I know few people who ordered one already and i plan too
I’m buying singles, anyway. So, yeah…
Fleer 1986 Basketball cards should've been out of print over two decades ago
lol they are. These are unopened boxes from back then. Collecting unopened boxes is a thing in the hobby.
So glad I didn’t get into the wax game.
I think sellers are going to start doing what Philmington is doing with his RC explosion boxes and disclosing where and when he got the wax from until the manufacturers figure it out
Phil is the exception, he’s a great guy. However for the vast majority, I am guessing they will not disclose. Too much money to gain in this game and a lot of sleazy people out there.
@@jetercollector2134 I know Phil is great and sellers like him will be rewarded by revealing where their product comes from. Sellers will have to adjust. Of course greed wins out and buyers will gravitate to cheaper items even if it means they are likely getting screwed
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@@ryanra44 The regular RCEB doesn't have real high end boxes. And the box cost to scan is not worth it at that level.
Sell me that cheap wax! I am buying
Does Phil disclose where the people he got wax from got it from?
1986 fleer NBA cards comes out of packs in a specific sequence. Once you know the top card, you can predict the remaining pack unless it has a flip card. CT Scanning a 86 Fleer box would only be useful in finding the packs w/ flip cards.
I think it’s less about 86 fleer an more about they can see paper cards.
@@NEO_Cards_Comicsmost of the vintage stuff has already been searched. When’s the last time someone pulled a huge card out of a random vintage pack?
Fair point , but they scan sealed boxes as well.
@@NEO_Cards_Comics those were probably resealed in the 80s-90s & even poor Steve Hart could get duped on them.
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Singles to the Moon
You cannot just stop at sealed boxes. Preventing scanning of sealed boxes is just a half measure. Because if you're a store owner and have a sealed box, what is the incentive to open it up to sell a couple of loose packs to a customer? Once they unseal the box and sell those couple of packs, who's going to buy the loose ones if they believe they could be searched?
loose packs have been sus since the late 90s tho
A card shop is an extension of card companies so if shops want there products no ct scanning of any kind or there cut off.
And then collectors are then taking risk if they buy from non shop dealers-buyer beware.
haha, good luck Fanatics policing every hobby shop in america
@@AtomicZombieAndroid in the 80’s when I started collecting again dealers were scamming but was for pennies on a dollar.
Today with grading and the high prices being realized the game has changed
Think this is a good time to go to the side lines and see how things play out.
Just sucks. It’s fine getting cooked if it’s a true unlucky spin of the wheel, but not this. Now everything, including my unscanned - by me at least - wax stash will get the side eye.
Pretty sure it fraud if you sell a known scanned box and say you can find a 1/1 etc...
The problem is proving it.
@@KK-pm7ud agreed.
I think about selling my sealed wax on eBay. Nothing fancy, like 22&23 bowman draft, some sapphire boxes, to free of liquidity to buy more PC singles. Then I think about the potential fun of keeping it sealed and opening it all up when I retire (25ish years). I don’t need the liquidity right now but am I crazy?
The last frontier here is going backward from '86 Fleer to the classic, crappy chipboard that Topps used thru the late 1970s... the fleer cardstock in '86 was a lot closer to junkwax stock that that old chipboard stuff...
would agree on the higher end stuff. if i had a huge investment in higher end wax i'd be really nervous that my collection would be taking a huge hit right now.
i wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing future packs for sale stating - CT Scanned pack of 79 OPC with Gretzky inside $75K, or 86 Fleer Jordan Pack $40K, etc... So, the boxes will lose substantial value but packs with the money cards will carry the $$.
We already knew this. It's just effort multiplied by time.
Ok, so I guess I’ll just have to put out a daily video entitled, “Where’s your manufacturer solution to CT scanning day ____?” Because #1 they can’t stop it, and #2 they are incapable of solving simple problems…let alone complex ones.
Oh, your sticker idea that changes colors when scanned…ok, let’s say I buy a Mercury box off you. You take pictures to prove it hasn’t been scanned. I buy it, go CT scan it immediately…like I drive down the street to my dentist and have him scan it. I see there’s nothing in the box, then immediately go to ebay and tell them the box you sold me was already scanned and show them a picture of the sticker. I return the box to you and get my refund. There is NO way you’ll be able to prove it wasn’t. You are all sooo shortsighted.
Ohhh…by the way, those stickers turn black if you put them on a plane for long enough…so I guess you better hope the box never travels via a plane.
Ah yes doubling down on bad takes today I see.
@@NEO_Cards_Comics ahhh being obtuse and disingenuous I see, must be Thursday.
Ok, where’s your evidence the secondary market for wax is crashing? Or EVEN the wax market at the manufacturer side? Don’t say Panini First Off The Line football…the product with no good autos in it.
Last time I checked every last single high end product in the last 3 months immediately sold out. People also seem to be buying high end wax on the secondary market. Where’s the exodus?
@@NEO_Cards_Comics You've claimed in the past that print runs going to the moon, the increase in the number of parallels, the rise of junk slabs, scandal after scandal was ALL going to ruin the hobby, yet…it's more profitable than ever. You’re worse than Geoff Wilson at hobby predictions. Topps just printed $5.5-7.5 MILLION on a single Shohei Topps NOW card. I don't think they care about CT scanning.
you never considered the sticker might be serial numbered?
@@AtomicZombieAndroid The serial number isn’t going to stop me from buying a box, scanning it (finding out the box is a dud), then immediately contacting ebay to return the box back to the seller. I will claim that he sold me a box that was scanned, thus accusing him of screwing me…even though I scanned the box. I’ll get my money back and he’ll get a box full of duds. Im not going to ship him back another box…Im gonna scan it, find out if there’s anything in it, and if there isn’t Im going to return it and ACCUSE HIM of scanning it.
He’ll say I’m lying, he might even have pictures of the sticker before he shipped it to prove it. I will say that he took those pictures, then scanned the box, then shipped it to me. Either way, ebay will side with me…even though Im the scammer in this scenario.
I don’t understand this process, can they only read the top card or can they really go though each card in the pack?
Cards back then werent random. Every pack with a Jordan would have the same cards in the same order. Same with 89 upper deck, I think the bob Boone on the top meant a griffey in the pack. If they can see the top card, they can know what else is in the pack.
Think of CT scanners as more detailed X-Rays that look at layers of an object to give a 3D model. Slices of bread adding up to a loaf. Assume they can see each card.
@@johnwayne9828That is true, I certainly remember those patterns when I was a kid.
They can see every card
I am pretty sure the machine takes like super thin images so they can see everything and the new the machine the clearer the imagining
Fanatics/Panini solution to this will be selling more things direct at higher prices. They will love it.
Good video I don’t rip that stuff, SO it will be what it will be !!!
And they wonder why sooo many are leaving the hobby.
Sealed cases is the last line of defense 😂😂😂
Let’s put the confusion to rest. I have a sealed, 2018 Topps Sapphire Baseball box I purchased directly from Topps. Who can CT scan the box to correctly tell me the 3 autos and the 3 parallels in the box? Ohtani(s)? SuperFractors? We need to understand the limitations of the technology to move forward in the Hobby.
Pretty safe to assume they see everything
The prob with a sticker is that it can change overtime due to modern radiation that we all deal with on a daily basis. Depending on where the box is stored, radiation levels etc, the box will eventually have a sticker color change even if it’s not scanned but it would take years :)
This isn't how CT stickers work, think of them like the moisture stickers in your cellphone. They aren't triggered by REALLY high humidity, it needs actual (concentrated) water to indicate moisture.
Dude, whatever! Last time I checked the Victor Mercury boxes were selling for what $10,000? No one cares, man! Give it up.
By the way, I think this practice is for scumbags only. But NO ONE CARES! The secondary market doesn’t care. The manufacturers don’t care. Again, NO ONE CARES!
@@Jeremy1998999 True. Anything Panini sells is proof that not one cares about ROI on wax.
Metal inserts on top and bottom...like the old magic fries for ur Microwaves 😅😅 cant have metal in the CT scanner
That is perfect. You put a metal item in the middle of the box. Once the magnets pull it out, then the cards are ruined in the box.
@@brandonwielgosz7035 LOL, that lid on them fries. They were like the size of a blaster box and came shrink wrapped like 3 or 4 in a row. Damn I miss those as a kid
Lashing out at you is starting to be my new hobby. Manufacturers absolutely don’t like secondary markets (wax in this case) for their product, because it represents arbitrage for someone else. This is money they are leaving on the table. So, when you say that the manufacturers care about the secondary market (again, I’m talking about wax) for their product…you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Full stop. Why the hell would Topps want someone selling their Wemby box for $10,000 right out the gate? Their executives are like, we should have charged $10k then. And if the price still rises then, they should have started it at $14k. The “so what”? Manufacturers should ENCOURAGE CT SCANNING! It will kill the secondary market and force everyone to pay THEIR prices. You think they care about the LCS’? NOPE! Antiquated brick and mortar era in a digital age. Wake up, man!
You have many bad takes this might be your worst.
@@NEO_Cards_Comics LOL, OK, Nike faced the same problem, and what did they do? They shut that **** down and killed their secondary market. I guess no one buys Nikes anymore now that there isn’t a secondary market for shoes. Oh wait, no, it didn’t destroy their business.
If I’m wrong, why did the Wemby boxes sell out instantly? Why is there STILL a secondary market at $10k?
If the secondary market is completely gone for sealed product, they will sell way less at release time, that is why they care, plus a history of their products holding or increasing value drives sales of new product. If you eliminated all purchasers that hold product for more than a month, sales will decline. This includes large online retailers and distributors that may not sell out of product for 6 months to years later. There is absolutely a ripple effect of sealed wax tanking.
worst take of all time on sports cards here. The only reason Fanatics and Panini sell any new product at all is BECAUSE of the value of previous cards and wax. Who is going to pay $14000 for a Wemby box if it, and the cards inside have no secondary market value? nobody, that's who. You just bought a few pieces of cardboard for $14000 that you can't resell, and can't gain value, only a complete financial loss at purchase, hope you get a ton of joy out of them because that's all they will be worth according to you here. Nobody would pay that money for a box in your dystopian world. Fanatics and Panini have been well aware of scanning long before this blew up, so according to your idea, why didn't they do this years ago? they would have made a ton more money using your plan. They didn't because they know their golden goose DEPENDS on the secondary market. You should probably delete this comment before your friends see it.
This makes no sense. Magic 30th is a perfect example of why this tactic will not work.
No one will buy from a company that is effectively taxing you for nothing.
Any TCG, CCG. Or Sport card franchise with an unhealthy secondary market is dead or is currently dying.
Executives simply want 10% returns quarter over quarter. That's the bottom line for any executive in any industry.