FORGET ALL OTHER HANDHELD DYNAMIC MICS | SHURE NEXADYNE
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I just re-soldered a beat up old pre-1983 SM58. Had to search the internet for instructions as the wiring was different than the 1983-present ones.
Put new foam into the head and it's working great. Bring your Nexadyne back here in 41 years and we'll see how it does.
I don't know; it depends on your use case; if I were on a tight budget, I'd take 3x sm58s over one Nexadyne. And I'd rather have a ton of mic sources over sharing mic's.. Additionally, if you are working with kids or amateurs, 58's are also quite durable.
Oh 100%...in almost every case that isnt professional...sm58 it is.
However...live sound engineers are going to love this mic...
@@DarkCornerStudios but at that price, it's going up against some hefty competition for hyper cardioid dynamic and even handheld condensers.
You could have 12 xm8500s
@Durkhead lol...
Oh boy
@@Durkhead sure, at $25 the xm8500 makes a good insertable mic, and at that price, I don't feel bad about tossing it after one use...
That mic has a lot of clarity...suits your voice well. Very natural sounding.
sm58 is not going anywhere.
@djk. Rick Beato did a great interview with Dave Natale who is the sound engineer on the current Rolling Stones tour. Dave still uses all 57s and 58s on stage for vocals guitars and snare.
m.ruclips.net/video/uEcx9gdhdbw/видео.html
The 58 is like the strat. .in will always have a place on stage.
Thanks for the review. The $100 USD price for the SM58 compared to the Nexodyne's $300 will ensure the SM58 keeps being the weapon of choice for the majority
I have been using the same sm58 units for a decade. 2 or three times a week, occasionally more. I also bought - a decade ago - 2 EV mikes where the advert showed them being bounced off a wall, run over by cars etc - which is why I bought them, but I kept those as backups just in case the 58's failed. We never used them because the 58's never did fail. Every few years I would take an EV out of the bag to test it. Upshot is both EV's died in storage -never used at gigs and the 58's continue to this very day -and will be used again tonight ! We have had zero problems with the 58's over more than a decade. At nearly 3 times the price of a 58, I'm not seeing a huge amount of attraction in the Nexadyne....
SM58 FOR LIFE!
Hey, I would love another video about mic history! You're a great presenter, and that Shure history video you did left me wanting more. Cheers!
To my ears the sound was indistinguishable from that of the Beta 58A. The big advantage was in the difference in handling noise. Is it worth $300? I guess that's a matter of taste and budget.
Thanks again Aiden so much for coming out and letting Lady Soul try out the Nexadyne!!! If I did not already have my BETA 58 mic, and was looking to upgrade, I personally would choose the Nexadyne over it. From the vocalists point of view, I would say it did make what I was hearing back sound a bit more "natural". However I would make the change if for nothing else the shape. Having the mic be concave where it goes to your mouth sat very comfortably. For any of us who have gotten a mic in the face from a rowdy crowd, that alone would be worth the slight upgrade in cost over the BETA. Great video. Thanks so much!
Ohhhh...never thought of that.
Them wiley motown crowds huh?
The beta 58 suits my voice perfect. Ill try other ones forsure but they nailed it with the beta 58. Idk how it could be any better.
Nobody is going stop buying the SM58, the Nexadyne is an excellent mic. to consider over the Beta 58, the SM87, and the Beta87. For the price the SM58 is still an good moving coil mic. (Most would say, the best at its price point). If the Nexadyne, dropped in at around $105, many SM58 owners would definitely add it to their inventory.
Unless users have KSM8 and KSM9 money, they're just not going to buy it in droves.
The Nexadyne is a great mic. I'll likely add one to my collection.
Roadies like to factor in durability. As you know, there are countless videos of people running them over with tucks, or even putting them through fire and pitchers of beer and they still work. I wonder if anyone will put a $300 mic through those kinds of tests.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when it was released the SM58 also cost a similar amount(accounting for inflation) This is only expensive because it's new. As with all audio gear, it undergoes two tests, the test of quality from the getgo, and the test of time. Right now we only have the test of quality for this mic. We don't know if it'll be remembered like the SM58 and SM7B, or mostly forgotten like the SM48( pulled from a wiki article, I don't actually know if it's popular) I think it's innovative but I also realize that it takes more than innovation to defeat longstanding champs like the SM58. It's not like better mics haven't been released since then.
If you want a mic you can run over, try an EV 635a. Not sure about its use in music but for news interviews it was great. I did repair one with channel lock pliers and a hammer.
No feedback was nice. I didn't see enough of a difference to make me want to jump out and buy one. As someone that moved on from Shure to EV and sE mics, I would really have to play with it myself to see if it had a place in my mic locker. Maybe a follow up video with it vs the V7
Yeah...thought about doing a shootout.
I know Bandrew has this mic in his queue...see if he gets to it before me
I own both and when I use the new Shure Nexadyne 8s there is more of a condenser clarity in the sound and it is easier for my voice to stand above the music. It just makes it easier to sing. And yes for me that's worth the extra money and price for entry. PS I also own a KSM9 and the new 8 s sounds better, the KSM 9 is better for mid range but muffles the clarity that the Nexadyne 8 s delivers. I like the Nexadyne for live performance.
I got one for the lead singer of my band. It's really good. I think it'll be my main mic with 58s and Beta 58s used on certain voices. I also like the KSM 9 on a few voices.
Yeah...the price is steep...but it lives up to it if you are gigging a lot
So basically, they're doing what Bob Heil did with phasing for off-axis noise rejection, they're just using a separate capsule to do it.
Hi Aiden. I am enjoying listening to the enhanced sound clarity of Shure's Nexadyne dynamic microphone. Love to hear more history of microphones in your future videos. Cheers.
@@andrewgee5898 I did a history of microphones video shortly after this one
crystal clear! listening to it without headphones
This looks like a great mic for smaller stages with loud music & live (not in-ear) monitors due to gain before feedback. Yes the 58s are bullet proof & you can bang in nails with it… but speaking as a Professional- working Live Sound Engineer- i typically dont shoot my gun at my mics… and when building a doghouse i prefer to use an actual hammer… but maybe thats just me 🤷🏼
Sounds identical to the 58, but the rejection is great - maybe 3+ db better? Doesn't sound hyper cardiod, or like a 57. A stage full of them over 58s would likely be much cleaner and tight. No monitor weirdness as well.
The no handling noise is huge for live sound .
I'm warming up to your podcast. I appreciate your delivery and the fact I can see you are trying to sound as good as you can. Most podcasters take little note of how they sound as a performer or personality. It's part of your brand and I think you realize it. Keep it up.
I have been happy with the clarity of DPA d:facto and Sennheiser e965 (and a low cut filter), giving superb intelligibility of speakers and signers, through a live sound system.
And when phantom power is not available, a Audio-Technica AE6100 does well, too. :-)
I would like to see you do a comparison of the $300.00 Shure Nexadyne vs. the $249.00 Telefunken M81 microphone. The M81 mic is amazing in how flat of a response curve it has (i.e. virtually no coloration and minimal EQ needed) along with having minimal handling noise & a super-cardioid pattern to minimize feedback on stage (*with the proper positioning of floor monitors). The M81 is spectacular on my wife’s vocals, drums, etc.
Yeah that mic is definitely on my list!!
I could dig a video about mics from the earliest days until now. You could do one on recording media too, from wax cylinders through wire recording to digital bits.
The SM 58 is the best-looking mike ever.
Great review! I agree on "kinda". The Beta 58 was so close to the Nexadyne that it is hard to justify unless cost were very close or not an issue. I woul love to see the "tank" test. That is to say the SM58 has been referred to as being "built like a tank" because of build quality. How does the Nexadyne hold up to drops and bumps?
One of the main reasons the SM58 is so popular is because it’s $100. If you can’t make it a hundo, then the almighty SM58 still reigns supreme as the best cheap dynamic mic ever made.
I was dissapointed with the KSM8. This doesn’t seem like anything special either. You want a good mic: senheiser MD435!
All good, BUT did you try breaking it? One of the most important properties of the SM58, is it's resistance to mechanical stress, it falls from the stand, a bit of boom, maybe the grill got a bump, but the mic works. I wonder how durable the Nexadyne is.
It’s challenging for Shure to compete against its own product without a solid argument. However, my SM58 is not going anywhere; in fact, I plan to get an SM58A for specific occasions
How comparable is the new mic to the 58 at knocking out a drunken thief trying to steal your guitar during load out?
For live performances, there's very little reason to spend more than $100 on wired vocal mics. For recording, there's very little reason to spend less than $300 on vocal mics.
I am on the fence about this mic? The Beta 58 and this one sounds very similar. My favourite is the Beta 87A. I would have liked to heard a comparison in those 2 mics. Also, if I do pick one of these up, it will be the wireless version that’s coming in at around $8-900. That’s a lot more than $300 (yes, I know it’s wireless but that’s a steep increase).
One other thing too. If I were the market and/or looking to buy new mics, The Shure PGA57 smokes the regular 57 and
I was contemplating buying it until the moment you did the back and forth with the SM58. I am a Tenor with range that goes down to E3. The Beta 58 already demonstrates attenuation in the lower register as compared to the SM58 in order to enhance close proximity performance. As such I found that, for my voice, the SM58 just works. Conversely the Beta 58 requires that I work by constantly adjusting my proximity to the microphone when singing lower registers. To my ears Nexadyne 8 supercardioid demonstrated even more tightness and control of lower frequencies than the Beta 58 does. As such I am confident that it would not work for me. In fact, for those who have range in the lower registers, and who are missing some fullness or are relying on effects to help increase fullness onto their voice channel, go with the SM58 and maybe even consider the SM48. I regularly use the SM48 for pieces that demand more warmth and power into the lower registers
Am i the only one that is super disappointed with the design? The black and silver SM58/Beta58 look is so iconic, no clue why Shure decided to ditch that design language and make a mic that looks one RGB light away from being a gamer accessory
I mean it sounds great with whatever you’re running it through. What is your signal chain for this video?
@Nirvanablue89 lol...oh I wouldn't be able to get away with something like that.
All my review videos are raw audio...just boosted in post.
Listening to the side by side comparisson, They are an every so slight smidgen different.
Not a 200 dollar difference to me.
The thing I noticed is the upper mids were slightly ever so cleaner. Something you would Possibly notice when you compare them. I don't think it would be that noticable live when using just the New version.
As for the statement about less issues, I can't vouch for that but If thats true, that alone may make it worth it. But still, 300 buck ? Common Shure.
If they asked for 189 I think that would get this mic out there.
SE V7 is my go to, or an E945 never liked the 58s
58's sound dull imo. The beta 58 is great though.
Don't spare me the techno babble. I'm a glutton for techno babble.
Have you tried dropping the Nexadine on the ground ? Their robustness contributes to making the SM58 and 57 so all-around.
To be fair...it's been dropped a couple times....
HOWEVER...I don't believe it is built to the same standard as the SM series
@@DarkCornerStudios Thanks. Yes that was to be expected. So this mic is for engineers/companies doing enough big tours to be able to afford not only buying it, but replacing it on the spot whenever necessary. And not being afraid of rappers or comedians doing mic drops LOL.
Yeah, do that history of microphones. I’m already somewhat well-read on the topic but find it endlessly fascinating.
@@DavidFell it's coming up Monday!!
Sennheiser e 835 is the mic I have been using for years, sounds great, good rejection, tough as nails and feels awesome in the hand.
Whats better nexdyne or mv7 plus?
I dont see a big enough difference to blow $300 on it. With the way bands i deal with handle mics, would be interesting to see if these hold up the way a 58 or beta 58 does on the road. AKGs dual capsule mics had some severe issues in their delicate nature that saw them fit for installation use and some studio use, but not much on the live scene. Maybe sure will drop one of these from their balcony to test like they did w the 58 😂
If they weren't so expensive I would do the hammer test...lol
Im considering the NXN8 as well as a KSM8 from Shure - and also MD431 and MD445 from Senny. I really dont like SM58s - never have. I do have a Beta 57 I prefer to them but its still my backup. My current fav is a Beyer Dynamic V70 - though this needs replacing. Its a little problematic with handling noise and plosives BUT it has the air I find the 58s (either version) lack. The freq response of the NXN8 looks better in the high end than either the 58 or the KSM8 - but it didnt sound much different to the Beta 58 on your video... That saaid, youtube compression is likely removing most of the audible differences - hence asking for some thoughts.
Great video! Thanks. I do use the 58 for many vocals of myself and others. Lately, I have been using the Sennheiser 441 with great results - like Stevie Nicks and Don Henley. :)
To me they sound the same, almost, pretty close, but im curious about how they reacts with more spl....
But is it built like a 58'?
Looking for a test of the Nexadyne 8C vs. the Beta 87C and Shure SM7B. (cause of course everyone looks to the SM7B lol, but the 87C is the vocal mic at the same price point)
For the rich, that mic will be okay . The SM58 is an iconic and very durable mic especially those made in the U.S. So durable that a joke was made that it was used as a hammer in constucting the Woodstock stage. It would've been nicer it Shure retained the iconic silver colored head screen.
The original SM58 sounds best. The Nexadyne and Beta are sibilant. Now that I pointed it out, listen for it.
sE have Shure trying to play catchup after the Dynacaster and V7. This won't replace 58s or V7s.
hey man....what type of mic are you using?
"Um...I 'think' it's an SM-58"
sure?
after buying this mic i hardly change it from beta 58 , in terms of sound it lacks high end clarirty , after 5-6khz isnt that nice , proximity effect is not a lot better ... if you eq to match the high end of a beta 58 will not be that good , and still will have a lot of feedback but not as much as a 58 .. i keep it cause it tends to have a nice feeling while singing
nice video but i hope u make some reviws in future about the condenser from Shure? maybe ksm32 or pga27😃
In the works.
Because I dont work with Shure...I have to buy them all myself...and that can get rather expensive...so it is coming...just in time
I avoid the sm57 and sm58. There are so many better options in the same price range with better output for a recording studio. For live stage, the SE V7 is a great alternative, and so is the CAD d90.
Nice mic but on this demo recording it's not anywhere close to 2x the mic the beta58 price wise. At $159 Brand New the beta is the best bang for the buck in my opinion.
Im not seeing this replace the 58 or beta 58 for live music its too expensive. I feel like content creators or podcasters might pick this up
Oh for sure...they all want the new shiny thing.
Not replace...but I can see some live sound engineers pouncing on this...that lack of handling noise is fantastic...and that is one of the biggest culprits for feedback during a live show
Good that Shure finally came up with something new! I think cheap knock offs were eating their profit.
Geez, that Nexadyne sure tends to catch your plosives and breathing impact quite a lot, and more so than the 58. Maybe the condenser version of the Nexadyne would be less annoying, but the dynamic one is dead in the water for me.
These two mics are not competing with each other.
It’s akin to suggesting that the new BMW is going to be the end of the budget Chevy.
Hey guys! I was looking at the specials menu but Nevermind, give me that dinner that costs 3x as much…
Yes thanks I signed up for the basic plan but I see here I can get an entirely different product, for 3x as much? I’m in.
But of course I’ll take the first class ticket and not the coach ticket. My budget is for coach it yep. I’m in. Never buying coach again.
I have the money for a starter home but I am seeing in the next neighborhood over, there are newer houses with modern amenities and features, and while it IS 3x as much as my budget… I’m def just going to run over to that tree over there and cut some fresh money off the low branches … and never look back.
I would say something like "cool, but I'll wait until the price comes down," but it's Shure. The SM58 has cost $100 since the 90s. I guess I'll just wait until $300 isn't much to ask for any mic.
I’m down. But if I’m gonna go get the supposed replacement of the iconic Beta 58, I think I also want Shure to make it LOOK like a Shure mic and not try to make it look like a Neumann KMS 105…. I realize they don’t want us to see a Beta 57 out of it but come on, Shure, give us something ICONIC like you always have.
so it's a Austrian Audio OD505 knock off? for the same price?
Question more on sm58. There's so many versions which is best for vlogging/podcasting. Basically doing videos as you do. Thanks. Love your channel
The SM58 is the ultimate all arounder mic.
I really want to know the prox effect compared to the KSM8
Rarely will ANY Shure mic give you issues.That's a fact. As much as I like Shure mic's, I wouldn't pay the extra money for a Nexadyne for such a small difference. Thanks for the review.
I closed my eyes when you started the comparison and could not tell when you switched mics. To be fair, after 30 years of use and abuse my hearing is not what it used to be. If there were any significant differences I didn't hear them. That's not to say I wouldn't in a different situation, and it's not a comment on the stage-worthiness or any other aspect of this mic.
I think Nexadyna will be a "premium solution", not really neccessary for all. And I think it is more applicable for live performance, not for podcasting or studio. It will be just like "better beta58A", however from my point of view, I love my Beta58A and I don't feel so much love for "nexadynes" ;)
That handling noise though is an amazing upgrade.
I hear ya though
@@DarkCornerStudios yes, indeed, but do you need it in the studio? 😉
@@GadesChannel oh hell no...lmao
But I can guarantee Dylan will be using it on each live show
@@DarkCornerStudios and I belive 😁
Yeah, No, For Sure there Bud! Great Video as always! I would love to see a mic history video in the future I find lore to be very interesting stuff also that new Nexadyne mic is pretty dang sexy I'm not gonna lie. Cheers!
I do love to spin a yarn...
Really gotta get my second channel back up and running to scratch that itch
I’ve been here before, Audix, Sennheiser, Shure KSM9 and 8, all have their place, none have completely replaced the SM58. But I’ll still be curious to try it. What’s most interesting to me is why haven’t I seen a single RUclips creator doing videos of more than local cover bands in crappy rooms, or single person mixing from the stage coffee shop setups. No diss to those folks at all (like you), but I’m a pro engineer and I’ve yet to see a single review or test in what I’d call a pro environment, let’s say at minimum 500 cap room, in ears, or even much bigger. Some environment where a real mix is possible and where a change in performance of a vocal mic will make a huge difference in getting closer to AAA audio quality. That more than anything is why I’m sceptical.
I'll always offer a standard 58 first.
I already have a selection of lead vox mics that to me renders this new shure mic pointless.
The telefunken m81 when the vocals too shrill, allwell as the se V7, akg d5, Neumann kms 105 and a couple of beta 58's
The only others I'm looking to buy are the dpa 2028 capsules on senny handheld transmitters.
I'm prepared to spend money on a decent vocal if I'll use it, I don't see what this brings to the party.
From what I've heard from the dpa that will probably be my go to lead vocal moving forward, besides artists seem to prefer wireless mics these days gives them more room to roam around...
I have the handheld wired dpa condenser, interested to see how it compares with this
Im still at ev nd96. Ksm8 sounds about the same.
I've seen 58s handle a fair amount of physical abuse without noticeable effect. Live venues are often chaotic. Is the Nexadyne as tough?
If the Beta 58a had a switch, it would be my favorite mic. (As an emcee, I need that control.) It's the perfect balance between the sound of the KSM8 and the durability of the SM58. The Sennheiser e895s is my current daily, since it sounds similar to the Beta 58a but has a switch.
Mics like the KSM8 and the Nexadyne mic are superior, but the price is a hinderance. I'm not so nervous with a $100-$170 mic, especially at gigs where people might drop the mic or spill something on it.
Totally agree
I'm surprised that Shure doesn't make a B58 variant with a switch (I can't find one either)? I've owned 58's & 57's with switches. In live stage production, muting is most often done by the engineer but there are many exceptions where a switch is useful (DJ, Podium, traveling mics etc...). Wow since they certainly have the production capacity, this seem like an over-site by Shure.
@@johnbogle6475 i’ve tried an in-line switch before, but it’s very clunky. It’s so much more convenient to have the switch on the mic itself. Shure seems like it’s resting on its laurels. The only major innovation they’ve come up with lately is the sm7dB.
@@RedButtonTV1 the Beta 58 doesn’t have a version with the switch. Only the SM58 does. The Beta 58 is a better mic.
Naaaaah!
SM-58 can survive:
-drunk rockers
- angry neighbors
- irrigation system
- run over tractor
- beer
- vomit of drug addicted guitar player
- snot
- and global product shortages!
Under touring, you get robbed? You left on the airport? No problem, You can find it anywhere, anytime, for 20$
So thanks, Sm-58 will be stay as king!
Peace!
Sounds much better the sm 58
I used sm57 beta for singing….
Tbh I like it better then beta 58
It reject feedback like a champ
The Nexidyne definitely sounds better. However, if you give a dazzling performance, no one will care if you're using a less expensive mic. Our ears adjust to sound.
Mic feedback when monitoring with headphones gives me the fear 😂 how does this new mic handle that?
That's more an issue with the headphones than it would be with the mic
Rode M1 for life 😎
btw what you said about both having unidyne capsules is very wrong, nexadyne has nothing to do with unidyne capsules, different technolgy.
From the best of my understanding...based on their video "Behind the Sound..." while the Revonic tech was different...they did not change capsule design...they just stacked the transducers...
Happy to call a Shure tech to confirm this if necessary...but when Shure designs a new capsule...they ALWAYS base it on the unidyne capsule.
There is nothing in any of their content that suggests otherwise.
Unless you have some proof otherwise
omg i'm so proud of me. i thought by myself there was a really nasty 4k spike. and shure enough i looked up the frequency response and voila, there's a spike! tbh i'm not that impressed by it soundwise. the tech is cool though
Can you explain the difference between this dual capsule and the dual capsule of the Logitech Blue Sona?
V7 all the way, half the price of a b58a, even cheaper than sm58, and better than both :)
I think this mic was born from the ksm8…. I bought a ksm8 capsule for my wireless kit, and the one time i deployed it, the singer said there was too my drums in his iems…. There were no drums mixed into his iems…. The capsule was picking up too much kit behind him. Anyway, the capsule sits un-used….a $500 purchase. Save your money, buy the 58
Listen.... With the e835 and e935, the sm58 and beta 58 are obsolete. Shure has been chasing sennheisers clarity ever since.
Other musicians spend thousands on gear, so why shouldn't a singer? I often wonder why singers think cheap mics are sufficient. They are not. On the other hand an SM58 may do the job well enough, as long as you have the right mic technique. That is also: not handling the mic like it's a male organ.
Aren't they a bit late to the party with this? Worked for a few touring companies 20+ years ago and they'd all moved on to Sennheiser evolution series back then. They're flatter, better feedback rejection, extended low and high end response, just as durable, and sound better. The only reason you'd use an sm58 these days is if you're after the sm58 sound - useful in the studio, but live? Nah...
Yes more history
Shure Nexadyne for £275, the Lauten Snare Mic is £330, the Lauten Tom Mic is £345.
A drum kit is where I'd be using a super or hyper cardioid mic, the Shure is the wrong form factor for this use case.
Actually supercardioids are super helpful for singers who are trying to separate their voice from all the competing sounds on a stage.
Initially why the Beta58 was so popular
@@DarkCornerStudios yeah, for live work, without a doubt! I don't really live in that world anymore, any mic I buy is for recording duties only. Sorry, I should have said. I appreciate your getting back to me so quickly Aidan!
@@Mikey__R to a degree...but frankly...for live music...very little actually competes with Shure.
So really...they are largely competing with themselves
Nexadyne is like a Sennheiser
I won't say goodbye with that price difference
i think i heard more annoying plosives with the nexadyne, but that might just have been the random switching between the mikes, dunno
acoustic guitar test please :D
It might actually appeal more to the non professionals who don't use in ears. They are the ones who will suffer with feedback the most 😅
Audix OM5 or OM6 Much better
sE v7 all the way