Beginner Improvisation Lesson for Saxophone (or any instrument)

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024

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  • @cooperbeggs
    @cooperbeggs 6 лет назад +373

    Well, you described my exact situation in that beginning

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  6 лет назад +37

      Cooper, there are so many who have had a similar experience.

    • @dash3995
      @dash3995 Год назад

      Bro same

  • @Jaybird-zl9ve
    @Jaybird-zl9ve 4 года назад +81

    It's been 37 years since I played saxophone in high school. This is helping me bunches in familiarizing myself with the instrument. Great stuff. Thanks!

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  4 года назад +5

      Glad it helps.

    • @retroaj6731
      @retroaj6731 3 года назад

      Same here it been 37 years since high school and i bought sheet music and i hate having to look. ..and then oops lol
      ..your awesome and thanks.
      I will follow (80s song)

    • @phill3583
      @phill3583 2 года назад

      Add me to the club. Started in I think 3rd grade. Took private lessons from an old timer saxophone player. Was in three school bands at the same time in junior high and high school. I remember that I was playing / reading some very difficult sheet music. I stopped playing in 1978-9. Picked it up again in the early 90's, playing along with cd's. Life happened and playing my horn wasn't in my schedule. Picked it up for the first time since then last week.... Well, my fingers remember what to do, but my embouchure is completely toast 😂.

  • @yanirasamaniego7272
    @yanirasamaniego7272 6 лет назад +135

    Thanks a lot!!! I'm mexican and some times is very hard for me understand english lessons and you are very cleary!!! "Me agradas" and love your videos!! =D

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  6 лет назад +34

      Thanks Yanira, That's great to hear. You can get subtitles in spanish by clicking the gear icon in the lower right corner of the videos.

    • @viejonazo8968
      @viejonazo8968 4 года назад +7

      Im mexican too, yo soy mexicano tambien espero te haya servido este video igual como a mi, saludos!

  • @lafrenere1
    @lafrenere1 6 лет назад +96

    Jay, you take the boring out of learning and make it fun. Thank you

  • @anthonydeguara9783
    @anthonydeguara9783 3 года назад +43

    Jay you have just demystified improvising and ended several years of fear and waiting for the right moment to start. Thanks heaps mate!

  • @ionizedsoup8222
    @ionizedsoup8222 3 года назад +10

    I played the saxophone all throughout middle and high school, though I only stuck with sheet music, and never really tried to improv until senior year, but with no direction I was just a mess. It’s been a while since I’ve played, but I picked it back up recently, and this video helped me out a ton, thank you!

  • @southnashvillerailfan
    @southnashvillerailfan Год назад +3

    I have an improv solo in a month and im absolutly terrified of it and this is going to help me so much. thank you

  • @juliovitolo5356
    @juliovitolo5356 2 года назад +9

    That’s a great way to introduce improvisation. Thank you. When I have a student I like to have them write songs within a scale or even within notes we choose (restrictions as you mentioned). I do this because I always had a difficult time memorizing melodies so through my weak spot I have been focused on composing new original melodies.
    Thanks for your generous teaching Spirit! 🙏🚀🙏

  • @sunshinecole246
    @sunshinecole246 2 года назад +9

    I play the steelpan but this has been veey helpful. I often over think things now that i am trying to improv and it can get quite incoherent as you said. The advice on limitation is exactly what i needed to hear. Thank you!

  • @meldavis8962
    @meldavis8962 5 лет назад +13

    Great video. You hit the nail on the head for me. I've been a "chart guy" for most of my days and scared to death of free playing and improvisation. Your video helped break it down into simple elements that encourage me to start working on the techniques you've presented and to keep it simple in the beginning to build my improvisation chops and build confidence.

    • @windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
      @windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 5 лет назад

      advice?.Play at any jam nite they will have you. You'll PROBABLY be the only sax guy there, so welcomed with open arms.
      Sax guys generally don't even show up for free.
      If you freak, just remember you'll give them what they paid for (probably nothing, lol) So win-win for them either way. Good for you to get over that part and JUST. GO. PLAY.
      want a laugh? Listen to everyone else at a jam nite :) So, you screw up. B. F. D.

  • @steveedwards9138
    @steveedwards9138 4 года назад +2

    I have been subscribed to your channel for a few years and just listened to this video. I have read sheet music for years Trumpet at school and last 20 years playing Alto Sax, Im just stuck if I dont have music, and cant think of anything to play as I just freeze. Its so frustrating and you feel a failure. I can get a decent sound and play in a church band using written arrangementsbut want more freedom.
    You give me hope, your videos are so informative and encouraging as all we players want to do is enjoy playing. Many thanks Jay

  • @samtheglamurai
    @samtheglamurai 3 года назад +4

    I've been playing sax for almost 14 years, and teach as well, so this came up in my suggestions. I really like listening to different musician's explanations of different techniques and ideas, so I clicked. I currently attend Berklee after having attended many music and performing arts schools throughout my life... And I have to say... This was by FAR the BEST condensed crash course on improvisation I have ever seen, best explanation I have ever heard, and of course, could be applied to any instrument! Liked and subscribed, well done! Going to check out your other stuff and send this to my coworkers and students!!! Awesome!! 👏👏👏

  • @pradyumnawarrier8219
    @pradyumnawarrier8219 2 года назад +12

    This is soooo good!!!
    Thank you so much! I’ve been banging my head wondering how to get more fluid with my instrument, and finally have found a way.
    Really means a lot! Bless you 😊

  • @tremot7143
    @tremot7143 5 лет назад +6

    Well thought-out video! More people should try improv. It really helps you to love your instrument even more, and forces you to find the limits of your abilities.
    People should work on their techniques, but no player should be chained to sheet music. Improv is where composition starts, and I'm all for new music.

  • @eugenelayton5231
    @eugenelayton5231 3 года назад +4

    I'm learning jazz on the chromatic harmonica. I've watched a few of your videos and am learning good principles from each one. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.

  • @hyenalove7005
    @hyenalove7005 2 года назад +1

    Brought my sax into a class because I had a big break in my schedule today. My teacher asked is I could play a few rifts for him so I was just like I'm gonna improvise random stuff... oh wait I don't know how to improvise. RUclips here I come. Thank you this was helpful.

  • @hangyuxu3411
    @hangyuxu3411 4 года назад +8

    Wow, the lesson is so useful! Thank you, Jay! It is totally different from what I was told to do from the very first day of learning saxophone till just now! Why I have never ever tried to improvise and only play according the sheet music? A new world to me!

  • @rafaelsandonato
    @rafaelsandonato Год назад +1

    He’s probably the number 1 sax teacher out here. Great respect for you man! Such a great job this gentleman is doing for the sax community

  • @Enoch_Sax
    @Enoch_Sax 10 месяцев назад +2

    Exactly what have been looking for for the past 3 years

  • @randomblackperson9209
    @randomblackperson9209 4 года назад +2

    I took your advice, and I just want to thank you. Thanks to your video, my parents are always impressed when I improvise for them, I couldn't have done it without you. Limiting myself to notes really helped me use what I have, and make something out of it.

  • @evanstarling5780
    @evanstarling5780 6 лет назад +14

    Thanks for the new leason. been trying to get back into playing my Sax for my own and for My Little one.

  • @spiketaterman5181
    @spiketaterman5181 2 года назад +2

    wow! This is a great concept--perfect way to look at how to "contain" what you play--been plying for years, but set it aside for decades as life took over. Ready to play again--picked up my old Martin tenor, and this concept alone is a huge help! THANK YOU. Update: let me add that your emphasis on rhythm is critical! Even a single note played rhythmically can speak to the listener.

  • @gobot109
    @gobot109 2 года назад +1

    Hey, really awesome! If you are a visual artist you need to know where the edges of the canvas are. Even ( or especially ) if you are planning on being outside of the canvas. Limitation is an unfortunate word but the best we have.

  • @ciarawallace890
    @ciarawallace890 2 года назад +3

    Thank you so much for this video! I am doing solos in class but I get so nervous because it’s my first time and everyone else is so good and I’m only used to playing sheet music. This video helped me a lot

  • @sheilaforde836
    @sheilaforde836 4 года назад +3

    Wow! I learnt to play the piano with sheet music. I've never been able to play without sheet music. Thank you for this. I'm going to do it.

  • @concernedoldandwisepatriot2650
    @concernedoldandwisepatriot2650 2 года назад

    Thank you! I am 66 yrs old. I always thought the sax sounded so good and it felt so good to listen to. I rented a tenor just 15 days ago, and some how I found your channel. I can't even describe how magnificently this instrument feels - it is a monster!!!! I just played a mini concert for my son on Christmas....5 small tunes...I played trumpet in grade school, so I could read. This was an excellent video, as your others are for me, as I am just trying to learn C scale and to learn the blues scale in C. Thank you so much, your instructions are streight from the Guy upstairs for me! They sre really good for me because I don't have an extra year or two to waist, and you speak from the heart!!
    THANKS!!!!

  • @lynnewainfan3000
    @lynnewainfan3000 2 года назад +1

    What a great concept, that in order to take a risk, start by defining the limitations you intend to stick to. This video is exactly what I've been looking for. Thank you

  • @jamesnicholmurallon1258
    @jamesnicholmurallon1258 6 лет назад +7

    Thanks for encouraging man. Now I know what to do. I need to know my scale first.

  • @craigscott3133
    @craigscott3133 Год назад +1

    I have approached improvisation as if I'm eating an elephant and I'm overwhelmed because I try to swallow it whole. This is a great lesson because now I can take little bites and bigger ones when I feel comfortable. Thanks, Jay!!

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  Год назад +1

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @craigscott3133
      @craigscott3133 Год назад

      @@bettersax Is that drum backing track still available?

  • @creativeoutlet007
    @creativeoutlet007 5 лет назад +2

    One week into playing my alto sax. I’ve played all the major scales on all 12 keys but not memorized it yet. I’ll be posting my weekly updates as I learn.

  • @528nik
    @528nik 3 года назад +3

    Loved this - helping me get excited playing again after a bit of a funk. The idea of limitations is a game-changer :)

  • @rk702
    @rk702 4 года назад

    This is the best advise you could have given to a new musician or someone who has never attempted to improvise. Great idea to limit your options and keep it very simple. Getting started and enjoying it is the most important thing.

  • @peterhodges6684
    @peterhodges6684 Год назад

    Lol,...I'm 62 this was my nephew's horn, now imlearning to play....... thank you !

  • @RochelleM491
    @RochelleM491 Год назад +1

    Jay, you are a super teacher…!!

  • @JenniferBurrowes
    @JenniferBurrowes 7 месяцев назад +1

    Everything you say I will do it. Cuz you're the only best teacher on youtube omg

  • @_sb_1168
    @_sb_1168 9 месяцев назад

    Sometimes I whistle my own Melodie’s while I’m listening to music and I hope one day I can improvise on my clarinet like that. It would be so much more fun to be able to do that.

  • @ace3058
    @ace3058 2 года назад +1

    Thank you!! This actually helped me a lot!! I’ve been playing tenor for like 2 months now over the summer and my director said we will be learning to improvise next year and I’m trying to get a head start. And I’m surprised I’m actually getting it :)

  • @Gkitchens1
    @Gkitchens1 4 года назад

    You raise a great point about getting arrested by sheet music and not being able to play improv. The inverse is also true. I play guitar, I never learned cords, and I'm not great at reading music, I can but I'm slow (percussionist for yeeeears) so all I can play is riffs, or songs I learned by tabs. I've managed to accidentally write a few things of my own by making mistakes that I liked the sound of. You've gotta find a good balance between the 2. Learning to be able to improvise gives you good confidence early on and is fun. Learning scales and cords and how to read music gives you building blocks. Here I am at 31 starting all over with the fundamentals, having to learn to read music all over again and learning a sax as though it was my first day of band in 6th grade. At least I have a partner to learn with, my son, who is starting band in 6th grade. He chose the sax too.

  • @aramgomez7072
    @aramgomez7072 9 месяцев назад

    Desde China les envio un saludo a ese grende equipo de Better Sax

  • @gadesa9439
    @gadesa9439 6 лет назад +27

    You're the best man, I want you for my saxophone mentor

  •  6 лет назад +3

    All that you say have a lot of sense. You are a great coach

  • @alexeaston4204
    @alexeaston4204 Год назад

    Thanks jay,just started improv.Great advice

  • @rayramirez6464
    @rayramirez6464 2 года назад

    Absolutely fantastic! I applied this with my Sax and I was amazed at how it sound with just 4 notes, then took my guitar and did the same thing and after a few minutes it sounded great. Thank you so much for opening a new perspective on improvising, I always wondered how musicians improvised, now I know how to start!!

  • @vontaperez6684
    @vontaperez6684 6 лет назад +3

    This is great information. Thanks for sharing! I never would have thought of it as starting with a few notes and building from there. As you mentioned earlier, I have ALWAYS played what I read and never ventured from there. I'm definitely going to try this!

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  6 лет назад

      You'll be glad you did I think.

  • @theunknown0887
    @theunknown0887 Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for this video I struggle a lot with improvisation but this makes it so much better and easier for me

  • @breathdream9020
    @breathdream9020 4 года назад

    God bless you, God bless your family, and God bless the saxophone.

  • @ZalasOrg
    @ZalasOrg Год назад

    This is soooooo inspiring! Inclusive and de-poshing the imporovisation! Lovvveeeee Jay!

  • @dinobuc9010
    @dinobuc9010 4 года назад

    I’m having to improvise on a bari saxophone on February 25 playing a little gig with my jazz band at my local library I’m also in 7th grade in middle school

  • @jesswatson7380
    @jesswatson7380 3 года назад

    I'm joining my church's youth worship band and they tend to improvise a lot! That'll help. Thanks!

  • @sg990
    @sg990 3 года назад +2

    This was exactly what I needed to hear today, thank you!

  • @dillonhardeman9184
    @dillonhardeman9184 4 года назад

    You are a life changer. I have always been one who has stuck to sheet music and never go out and develop my improv skill. Ever since I have followed your vid I have become way better. Thanks so much😄

  • @manzanobanana7211
    @manzanobanana7211 3 года назад +2

    thank you my teacher told me about you and you are very good

  • @sraj7284
    @sraj7284 5 лет назад +2

    Hello - I have always been fascinated with the instrument as a kid. Trying to learn this in my 40s now. One of things I struggle with, and find INSURMOUNTABLE, is the sudden transition of notes from one to another. I'm intrigued as to how the fingers can move so deftly and effortlessly to the next note. Almost looks like the eye needs to read the next note, the brain has to process it, and the fingers fly to the correct keys, all in a fraction of a millisecond. How can this be??? I find the coordination impossible to achieve, and this has been my biggest stumbling block to learn this instrument. Any advise, please? How can I overcome this brick wall?

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  5 лет назад

      That's why I teach people to play by ear. It removes the eyes from the equation. Makes playing more like speaking which you can already do... Think of moving the fingers on the instrument like typing on a keyboard. You can do that already too.

  • @christinaeldridge2623
    @christinaeldridge2623 6 лет назад

    I grew up playing the flute and band and was one of those people that you described in the beginning where I was constrained by only being able to read sheet music. I've only recently picked up the saxophone and have been playing for about 3 months and I am determined to not let that restrict me anymore.

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  6 лет назад

      +Christina Eldridge Great. You should take the PSBE course that is free. bettersax.com/psbe

  • @MoraAdventist
    @MoraAdventist 6 лет назад +3

    I love this guy, awesome teacher and I learn from from him more than any other channel..Thank you so much..

  • @manuelvalencia9407
    @manuelvalencia9407 2 месяца назад

    You answered a question I had for many years. "How do I start improvising?" Thank you very much! I have another question. How can I start playing by ear if I'm use to playing by reading and playing with sheet music?

  • @RojGreenlife
    @RojGreenlife Год назад

    indeed
    very inspiring
    for a beginner like me
    thanks

  • @rayrenteria5339
    @rayrenteria5339 2 года назад +1

    I'm that guy shackled to sheet music. Thanks for this Jay!

  • @peepandstitch
    @peepandstitch 2 года назад +2

    Thank you so much!! Your videos are seriously helpful as a new jazz (hopefully!) player, this has helped me so much in prep for my audition and I’m feeling a lot less nervous after this to be quite honest. So well explained, you have a new subscriber haha!

  • @LoveTheSol
    @LoveTheSol Год назад

    thank I will try it... just start learning for a year. I know basic techniques but when it comes to improvisation I feel stuck... to many things to chaos. I should try your advices

  • @russelleubanks2885
    @russelleubanks2885 4 года назад +1

    I liked your advice! Even a novice like me could grasp the concepts. You just got another subscriber.

  • @pessimisticdiabetic717
    @pessimisticdiabetic717 2 года назад

    This was incredibly helpful.

  • @je6874
    @je6874 Год назад

    3:26 - can you please make a video on how to create the sort of sound you can make at this timepoint with different notes? Is it a specific jump? Like A to E?

  • @PoppinEclipse
    @PoppinEclipse 4 года назад +1

    great video, studying dance and transitioning to music, this is a very important skill, that is the same in dance and singing. since before sheet music their had to be improvisation until it became codified into a standard. When we improvise we find our flavor and that is what made those great musicians that push the standard to a higher level. Praise God for all things

  • @ernestbutler2530
    @ernestbutler2530 4 года назад +1

    You are an amazing teacher.

  • @johnwade7430
    @johnwade7430 Год назад

    Excellent as always -Perhaps you could run a ‘live loop’ Session where you provided a drum beat plus the parameters for people to join in on - but keep changing them say every 15-20 mins…😊

    • @johnwade7430
      @johnwade7430 Год назад

      Why not have a performance of Terry Riley’s ‘in C’ which spans say 2 hours or more and players pop in and out over the ‘Performance’ and they get to play their 52(?) fragments….

  • @jblen
    @jblen 5 лет назад

    I'm someone who has almost exclusively read sheet music, with just a few (frankly terrible) improvised solos within my school band, limited to just 2 keys. I'm going to university next week and I want to join the music society but their first 3 events are all jam sessions, and I have no idea what I'm doing in that kinda situation. There's no videos on how to jam on a trumpet, so improvising on a sax is the next most relevant thing I guess.
    Maybe I'll remember this comment and say how it went, but if nothing else, I'll know whether or not I should just stick to sheet in the future.

  • @andrewsantos7141
    @andrewsantos7141 5 лет назад

    Man god bless you for your time I got my baritone saxophone today and those tips are vital

  • @thepiper4u
    @thepiper4u 3 года назад

    Love jay he is good I been somewhat a bit busy jay but I will be on it next week I love it your very good 😌

  • @Flapjack505
    @Flapjack505 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks dude this is extremely helpful

  • @stevecave2371
    @stevecave2371 6 лет назад +4

    Another quality lesson, thank you Jay. Looking forward to the next instalment.

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  6 лет назад +1

      +Steve Cave More on the way!

  • @stuffstuff1854
    @stuffstuff1854 5 лет назад +2

    I been improving sense i started high school. And I thought I been doing it wrong until this video.

  • @marksteele2396
    @marksteele2396 3 года назад +1

    Big, big help ! Thank you

  • @vincentgaglio5106
    @vincentgaglio5106 6 лет назад +2

    I am chained to sheet music , I am terrified to try to improvise because on my own at this point I do not know what notes to play as you mentioned for us to play , I need go get overthe to your website, I so feel if I did not have sheet music i would not and could notbe play anything sad

  • @windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
    @windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 5 лет назад

    Hey! I got an actual tone out of it today! I got a C# and then a B.
    The dog didn't lose her mind, so I guess I'm getting better. Strangling fewer geese today.
    YAS-23, got a great deal on it. Yamaha says it's probably late 80's but they're not great record keepers. I know they made them 1980-2000/2001 i think. It's probably a 7.5 or 8/10, particularly for its age and being a student horn.

  • @anon4518
    @anon4518 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for this lesson very helpful ☺

  • @alexandrinadelosmares5954
    @alexandrinadelosmares5954 3 года назад +1

    Thank you very much!!! It helped me a lot!!!

  • @m.y.p5102
    @m.y.p5102 6 лет назад +1

    Jay I love you, I have no idea what I would do without you.

  • @Errordemn6
    @Errordemn6 3 года назад +1

    This was great

  • @hervemarand177
    @hervemarand177 5 лет назад

    Have started to play and practice seriously for the last three weeks and have been playing about three to four hours a day, using your core and pentatonic lessons and ... developed severe pain in both thumbs but more so on the right thumb. Could you comment on best hand position and best way to hold the Sax to minimize thumb pain problems? In advance, thank you! I d like to get back to your lessons ASAP!

  • @ParanoidGoblinoid
    @ParanoidGoblinoid Год назад

    Dang, if only you’d been around when I first picked up my alto 35 years ago! Well, I’m sure I have at least 35 more years in me. :)

  • @OdeliaOuzan1_Odelly
    @OdeliaOuzan1_Odelly 2 года назад +1

    you are amazing and inspiring thank you so much for your message

  • @wichoswissvideo
    @wichoswissvideo 4 года назад +1

    Great Recommendations!
    Better Sax

  • @SpySappingMyKeyboard
    @SpySappingMyKeyboard 3 года назад

    Well that was fun. Could you go back in time 14 years and show this to young me?

  • @timwallace7561
    @timwallace7561 Год назад

    Awesome advice - can't wait to start, thank you Jay

  • @shelbyfredrickson4501
    @shelbyfredrickson4501 6 лет назад +12

    I'm thinking of creating a solo for one of my songs in my Jazz Band. How can you create a solo that would go with a flow of a certain song?

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  6 лет назад +4

      Shelby, I wish I had a simple answer for your question. to do what you are asking you need to study, practice and most importantly listen to good music. Watch my videos, I try to break down the different things you need to be working on.

    • @estebanvenegas89
      @estebanvenegas89 5 лет назад +1

      Try to focus on what the song makes you feel like and then try to express that in the notes and music you play!

    • @UK-PeasantD23679E
      @UK-PeasantD23679E 3 года назад

      Use your favourite piece of the melody that has been established, then deconstruct, play rearrange, etc.

  • @martisian
    @martisian 6 лет назад

    Great lesson! It will help me a lot, as I am one of those who only play if we can read the music. Thank you!

  • @MclarenF1rocket
    @MclarenF1rocket 4 года назад

    This was very motivating for a beginner sax player - thanks!

  • @SPOLATUBE
    @SPOLATUBE 6 лет назад +2

    Very useful lesson. Keep up the good job! Congrats from Brazil.

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  6 лет назад +1

      +Daniel Spolaor Thanks!

  • @caramel.macchiato24
    @caramel.macchiato24 5 лет назад

    this is actually really helpful!! thanks. when i read a standard i try to go through all the freaking scales and the result is i'm not saying nothing. with 3 notes you can be more melodic than with so much crap on the sheet lol thank you!!!!

  • @gregduke2588
    @gregduke2588 Год назад +1

    Good Stuff!

  • @skprostudiotips2978
    @skprostudiotips2978 2 года назад

    Thanks for another great video, you just blew my mind !!!

  • @athebeast1769
    @athebeast1769 5 лет назад

    I started alto sax 3 months ago and I’m in 9th grade and for jazz band in our all region jazz auditions we had to improvise and it kinda sucked but I didn’t get last.

  • @BoninBrighton
    @BoninBrighton 3 года назад

    I’m going to use improv when I’m getting stuck and frustrated with sheet music…. this is going to be fun I think! I’m a beginner 😀

  • @ivanmarques4790
    @ivanmarques4790 5 лет назад

    You are changing my teaching! Thank you!

  • @m.y.p5102
    @m.y.p5102 6 лет назад

    Very informative jay!! Maybe a short (or long) video about circuler breathing? Thanks

  • @0luwotunde610
    @0luwotunde610 6 лет назад +2

    i love your lesson, its really helped me

    • @bettersax
      @bettersax  6 лет назад

      Oluwo I’m glad this helped.

  • @baronvonmaximillionsnell2757
    @baronvonmaximillionsnell2757 4 года назад

    You make it look easy . .

  • @LordInter
    @LordInter Год назад

    I was chained to sheet music, I can play my sax but my teachers were against improvisation until I was a certain level so I quit because I was bored of it! ☹️

  • @ronaldciccone260
    @ronaldciccone260 3 года назад +2

    Studing Alto Saxophone, I was Basically chained to Music Books, Got Discussed And Gsve Up, Huge Mistake!