Hearth & Home Spotlight: New Food System
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2021
- What's coming to Valheim? In this series of Hearth & Home spotlights we'll take you through some of the new and reworked gameplay mechanics. First out is the new food system.
The update will launch during Q3 2021.
Valheim is made by developer Iron Gate, published by Coffee Stain Publishing.
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The icon blinking half way until expiration is too soon for people like myself that have a "stitch in time" personality. That blinking in the corner makes me feel like there's something urgent but it can last 10 mins. maybe 1-2 mins is sufficient.
I'd been playing the game for a long time before I realized it wasn't a 1 minute warning. All that wasted food :(
On the other hand it means that if you're eating rubbish food just to build and then get attacked you only need to survive until it's half done to eat proper food for a fight.
Doesn't the food also degrade over time though?
This 100%. I've started only eating when my HP bar needs it, but prior to this, I've eaten way too soon...and then there are times I don't eat, and a Fuling attacks, and I realize all 3 foods have been flashing and I'm at 70 HP; it's like I got desensitized to it.
Early blinking is a detriment...I hope they make it 3 mins remaining at least.
Your max HP drops over time starting when you first eat the food, but until the 1/2 point you are not *allowed* to top back up. If you do eat immediately when the blinking starts, you'll generally be much safer most of the time, since your HP should never degrade to dangerous levels. So it's not a total waste, but it's also not at all clear that it works this way from the present interface. Having actual numbers in there should really help.
I really like the food bar personally, perhaps it could be an option? It feels so rewarding to see that bar jump after eating a good food for the first time, thanks for your hard work!
Agreed
agreed I really enjoy the food bar...sad to see it go so many other games just have timers and it felt fresh to have to look at a bar to see what's going on rather than a timer
I like food bars but I can imagine them taking whole height of the screen once more powerful foods will be added later
@@TheBloodrian very good point. They could just change the scale to keep it in check to where it is basically at right now
Isn't the health bar still there? Maybe it'll get multicolored or half multicolored :)
Just want to mention, the food dropping in effectiveness is sort of annoying when you have 3 really good meals because you have a good 10 minutes of being strong and then another 10 minutes of being sort of weak and there is nothing you can do about it. It would be nice if it the effectiveness dropped a little less quickly during the first half.
That's what the update said, the effect will not drop at all. If a food gives you 100HP and lasts for 10 minutes, you will get 100 for 10 minutes. Not 100hp that slowly drops down.
You can see they removed the bar and just kept timers. That's what I can make from the update
@@geniustrash It clearly doesn't though. At 0:30 they have half food and 86 health. At 0:34 they have full food and 102 health.
@@loglog7 you are correct, I thought it was different foods hence the different max hp
There is something you can do about it though. Don't stuff yourself with three meals in one go? Spread them out a bit and you'll keep your health and stamina in a relatively stable and high spot.
@@preppen78 That's not an improvement, though. That's the same micromanagement BS that we had before.
I think the food bar is actually a little more visually intuitive. It shows you how much of your extended health bar is coming from each food item and when that portion is exhausted. It communicates critical info without any numbers. It's good that food is getting some variety in bonuses though; many foods just get left by the wayside as soon as you find better ones.
This seems like it wouldn't be that much different from what we currently have as everyone will stick just pick the same favorite foods, but personally, I would LOVE to see foods that increase stamina regen instead of max stamina! Waiting for stamina to come back really slows down the game for me, especially when I'm using something like an atgeir in combat.
Currently, different foods have different life regen values. I would LOVE to see stamina foods with different stamina regen values! Just something more consistent to change how fast our stamina comes back sounds more appealing to me than just increasing max stamina.
Hell, perhaps make it so that even certain health foods had more stamina regen or some stamina foods have more life regen. Maybe even more effects like lifesteal or staminasteal? I feel like if you make more foods for Valheim, you could VERY EASILY add new ways of playing the game.
(By very easily, I definitely do not mean that it'll be very easy to develop. Much love to the hard work and dedication from Iron Gate
well u can use meat..^^
Meads solve the problem of stamina regen pretty well, don't think you need food for that.
@@Brandons125 Yeah I've used meads but they have a cooldown. Still makes you have this long moment of waiting for stamina to come back when you're on cooldown. I will say that I personally don't like consumables so perhaps I am a bit biased against using stuff like meads for stamina.
As others mentioned there are ways to regen stamina...however a passive stamina regen food + meads/honey etc could be balance breaking. Action economy is essential for balance in this type of game.
@@IronDadGames For a stamina mead, like I said, it has a cooldown. A full 2 minute cooldown and lots could happen in those 2 minutes. I really can't see how that would be balance breaking, especially if there's a detriment to eating food that specifically gives you that stam regen buff.
I'm not asking for an incredibly powerful food here that gives everything along with stam regen. Stam regen is indeed powerful and therefore if a food item would be able to provide it, there of course would have to be a tough penalty.
Also, what I'm thinking here is that it'll take a LOT of investment to even get this powerful stam regen to even reach it's highest potential. For example, needing all three foods to be stam regen foods.
This isn't a food for everyone. It's for those that are skilled with the combat enough that they wouldn't need health or health regen.
I will mention that I'm aware that PvP exists and that I'm not experienced enough to give my side of the argument on that. xD
the most efficient one minute in my life
I’d agree if I didn’t get a kid from mine
clearly you have not watched "how to flatten ground" by Ubunaga
@@aquilaFUN of course, I've seen this masterpiece
It would be interesting if you guys implemented or added more custom locations like the draugr village in the map seed. You could take some of the projects some players have made like Broadbent mountain castle or something like that, you could even make a competition and select the best buildings. It would make it really fun to have to look for those in the map.
Also, you could make it so that not all the map seeds contain all the special locations.
Don't know, that would respark the engagement with the community.
This is a phenomenal idea.. Could attract attention back to the game again. I think adding more unique things in the game like this would be an awesome direction
Thank you guys! Keep the good work!
The one thing I will miss about the food bar is that it is a good representation of your max health. It is a lot easier to see than the light grayed out background of the actual health bar.
I'll be honest, the new food system looks pretty disappointing considering the wait for H&H, though it is very nice to see more food types. In terms of mechanics the current food bar is great, and the current food stamina/health buffs feel really rewarding after busting your butt to get to the endgame. If it aint broke don't tweak it, so it seems like an odd use of time fiddling with food values when the vast majority of your players (going by top mods at least) just want more build pieces, and a better building system where you can properly rotate items along both an x and y axis. We want flavor items like forks, knives, plates, candles to fill our homes up with. Right now, in my view, what is holding valheim back is that modders are doing way more to flesh out the game and the world. I love valheim and have spent 700ish hours on it building bases around the world, enjoying the ambiance, sailing, and exploring every last bit of land. But damnit man, drawing out the update that could actually help flesh out my myriad of homes, castles, and lodges without mods is really quite frustrating. At least give us a tiny patch with wooden rooves for the love of all that is holy in this world.
agreed
Totally agreed with "if it aint broke, dont fix it."
Half a year of tweaking food system which everyone liked is dumb
snes is spitting fax
I remember them saying that wooden roofs and straight roofs are against their vision
@@Randych I like Valheim, and its success speaks for itself.
But i remember them posting a Roadmap after it blew up, and we still haven't gotten the first content patch that is supposed to be the smallest of the bunch.
So if their Vision for the game is equally trustworthy as their time management is then i have some really bad news.
And like SNES said, the mods speak for themself. People want more and better building.
And in ~half a year (most likely way more than that considering H&H isn't even out yet) not even gotten a expiration timer on items does just look bad.
Will the update apply to current seed's/worlds? Or will a new world need to be started for it to apply?
Regardless I'm super ready for Hearth and Home!
Well, ok, let it be, but! Guys, we need cooking skill, please!!!
That would be awesome!
I don't see the point of using the precious time to change something that was working fine instead of spending time creating new content or a new mechanic (not a simple rework like this). Sorry if I sound rude, but it has been some time since the game launch and seeing so few or simple stuff.
It's been stated their team is/was too small for the kind of expectations that came after it completely busted records and their expected indie-based audience. Imagine coming across $10 million in your bank out of nowhere - it won't make instantly make things better...you still have to get background checked and close on a house/car. Wait for shipping of new items. Ect (I know it's a farstretch of an example, but ya know...)
As for this particular update, this isn't even the main part an will balance the game a lot, making combat roles more....there. Instead of eating just 1 food to make yourself good (like serpent stew, giving 80/80 which is relatively high in both and easy to make), you'll have to eat specific items to give a boost in both, or can specialize in either 'tanking' or a stamina-focused role like archer since bow constantly drain stamina
I think the removal of the food bar will be a much more heated discussion once this update releases so if possible, it would be nice if it can be toggled on/off.
Heh, you sure called this one.
Nice, looking forward to the next update
I love this! Short, well made, informative, and exciting for the next one!
looks great. cant wait for the update
Looking forward to seeing how it plays out. That said using only color to distinguish groups is really outdated design theory.
Colorblind people cannot tell the differences and you leave them in the cold for no reason.
For example, come up with 3 icons, or put a colored shape (that is different for each category) behind the icon.
The numbers are still there for people to read at least.
Could you ask in a little less demanding way? Bad representation otherwise, you know?
@@KalonOrdona2 Made more clear the last sentence is suggested solutions.
Thankyou for this amazing game, looking forward to the updates. :)
can any of these UI changes be optional and toggled in the settings? I really dont want fork icons on all my food :(
Sorry guys but I've bought the game with the promise of 3 big updates this year. I haven't touched the game since I finished it and it looks like I wont be touching it anytime soon. Only one decent update this year is very disappointing. You could have done something with those millions of copies sold, kept the momentum. No, you rather spend half a year reworking food... I'm really sad.
that's called a good marketing
same i was expecting alot more, but hopefully they release some more teasers or atleast make their time spent on this seem worthwhile
Agreed, pretty piss poor its taken this long for a couple new food items. Literally nothing they have shown yet is worth hopping back into the game to look at.
LMFAOOOOO
Almost 7 month for first update. I hope this update will be very big.
Cool, even less inventory slots. Brilliant !
Some people are like, "wait that's it?" when the very first thing they said is that this is the first in a series of videos! xP
no, "wait that's it" is pretty spot on considering this update was meant to be 1/4 big updates this year and so far all we've seen is a new coin pile and a couple food items? Literally nothing that makes this game worth jumping back on for. End of this year we were meant to see "Voyage to the Mistlands" and a new boss, yet we haven't even seen "home and hearth" yet. By the time they get around to putting out actual playable content that will bring people back it'll be too late and people will have moved on to other games devs actually care about. They have shot themselves in the foot and doing a "series of videos" on an update like this is a joke.
@Foapio How is spending the start of a massively unexpected early access success with months of bug-fixing _not_ a sign of devs caring about the game? How is changing plans in reaction to reality, and being open about it, not a sign of these developers being worth their salt as developers?
Any plans to add food that will give other buffs? Like more defensive stats or more damage? Maybe resistances? (yes i know potions are also an option there lol)
is this the way you will release thing in the future?
Thanks for the timer it makes thing so much easier, really looking forward to the update
Don't know why they're focusing on food for varied playstyles. Rework the armor progression and give traits to all the armor sets like troll hide has. By endgame everyone has the exact same gear anyways.
I personally think that a cooking skill that can be leveled up would give the game more relative progression/depth. for example if you cook meat while at lvl 1, it might only heal you for 10/10 hp/stam, but at level 100 it heals for 100/100. maybe not that linear but it would also add another element to the game that would make it more challenging. also gives an opportunity to buff late game monsters, and stop people from progressing to fast. also add that feeling of "OMG fuck going in to the swamp/plains" again.
this could be the same for weapon crafting, lvl 1, axe does small damage, lvl 100 axe does big damage.
this also compliments the stat depletion when you die. although this kind of already happens depending on your skills
cool little niche feature, where is the actual game content though? More biomes, bosses, mobs, things to do...
Fucking gone. Too many people bitching about performance and tiny bugs same reason why this update was delayed half a year
Takes ridiculously long to add content to an early access game if people expect it to run perfectly, especially with like a 6 person dev team
In fairness we have been in a global pandemic, not exactly an ideal time to be hiring devs who likely can't travel or relocate and it's not like these guys are in a major city with thousands of local talent and studios, they live in the middle of the countryside in sweden I believe.
@@85UKDan but then again, keep in mind how filthy rich they became with the game. It sold over 5 Million times in just one month, and i wouldn't be surprised if it would be around 6.5-7 Million in total.
Its one of the top 5 most played Titles in Steam History.
Yes sure, pandemic makes it hard to find new devs, but not impossible. On top of that, game development is one of the few jobs that can work really well in Home Office.
Also Valheim Plus for example, has made more progress to their very own game than they did in months so far.
But i can't see where the money they made with the game went back into development of it.
@@MrHardstylefever ok? So they made a $20 game that got popular so now they have to be your slaves? Lol. When I bought this game I knew it was early access and I was happy enough for what I got with $20. I have 400 play hours on a $20 game. There’s no room for complaints. There’s free mods too if you really cannot wait for new content. Whatever they add (for free btw) is just icing on the cake. Stop being entitled.
So far the only updates I've heard from H&H are more foods and coin piles, a little underwhelming.
Then you missed quite a bit; they've announced cooking station upgrades, shingled roofs, log benches, iron-bar walls, upside-down diagonal wall, treasure chest, and that's just off the top of my head. All this info is right there in their steam posts, with some additional insights from the reddit AMA. Plus there'll be more of these videos delivering some of that same information. Hope that helps get your whelm to appropriate levels. Cheers! :)
@@KalonOrdona2 so basically they announced a fraction of Valheim Plus, amazing work
@@Randych You obviously care enough about all this to engage pervasively around the comment section. I suspect that means you have a lot of love for the game or at least a lot of excitement over what it could be. What are some of your experiences in the game? :)
@@KalonOrdona2 you dont realize how underwhelming all that stuff you named is, for an update that's gonna take 7 months of development??
ruclips.net/video/lk43qiI1Joc/видео.html
Can't wait to see what else you have for us!
Great stuff!
Me and my friends really liked the stamina bar though, would be great if it was made toggleable :)
Cool food changes. But, what I want to know though is why when you take damage around 0:49 and 0:55 that your HP doesn't change but this red bad just right of center appears and decreases.
That was a parry and it looks like they gained health from it
what is that red bar next to the character when she got hit at 0:56?
Nice find! A more centrally located indicator of your health drop?
We'll cover that in a future video, rest assured! 👀
@@irongateofficial Great news!
@@irongateofficial Nice! I am guessing some sort of stunt de-buff?
Can't we have both? I really like the food bar :(
How is this a new food system? It's exactly the same system, just different values and some new food items.
a nerf imo.. now maybe we will have less max hp
It all ties into the new blocking system by the looks of it. Its mainly to add an option for one of you or your friends to tank with the new health system. It kind of is a nerf but I'm guessing some foods are buffed so its not strictly a nerf. I'm more of a lone wolf so I can already tell this means I will have to focus on stamina foods and use a buckler to parry. Having a little bit less health probably wont matter much when they add the fancy new bucklers.
Aww, I really liked the food bar. It's super unique.
When?
well thats cool, we had a mod that did this but adding to the base games always dope.
try to add oars, when the wind is against, oar players can help the boat go more faster
The change is quite nice! Hopefully we'll get more specialized foods as well, such as increased HP ticks, Stamina Regen, or Stamina Recovery (makes the stamina recovery phase smaller after performing an action).
Otherwise, this is great. Sad to see the massive food bar disappear, but it's only a small thing.
looks good cant wait for more sneak peeks at whats to come. keep up the good work :)
thank you for how awesome this game is! I look forward to future updates
Maybe don't super nerf foods that are riskier to acquire. I really don't see why boar jerky gives more stamina than say lox meat. Loxes are more dangerous and can gang up on you and have far greater health. Did sea serpent meat get a major nerf too? Those bastards are already hard enough to find. And a sixty point nerf to blood pudding.
If they really did nerf the good foods, this game is fucking done. They need to be improving the game not nerfing things that dont need it.
@@No-One.321 I try not to be an overly cynical bastard, but stuff like this does make me wonder if they lucked into Valheim's success.
Dev1: So we have a update soon, and need a spotlight video, how long should it be?
Dev2: Give me a minute to think about it
Dev1: One minute it is!
Dev2: WAIT WHAT NO!
Dev1: What should it be about? You know, to keep people interested
Dev2: FOOD NERFS!!!
@@demonclaws3000 ikr? Food nerfs is the last thing anyone wanted lmao
@@Zeru. I defo wanted some nerfs to the character, game tooooo easy imo
uh, so
Dev1: Community Dev can you community us up a feature spotlight while the Programmy Dev stuff is finishing?
Dev2: Sure thing, Programmy Dev! I can do like a series, even. Go team!
really is that simple :)
Damn; i enjoyed the food bar, it represented what food contributed the most to my health so that i could know what foods are good or not
Isn't this something you can get with modding?
shhhh
I've never clicked "subscribe" to a youtube channel so fast
Glad to see you guys make steady progress 😊👍
lol progress, modders have done this about a month into the game. the devs arent doing anything but rehashing what the community has already done but wont actually give the game what it needs. at least give it an endgame and not that embarrassment of a 4th and 5th boss, game becomes boring after the 3rd boss
@@divynesalazar2977 i swear some people commenting must be either dumb or devs' close friends. Otherwise I can't understand the praise this 1 minute video gets, showing absolutely nothing done but fixing what aint broken in 6 months.
I know it's unlikely to happen, but any change in the effectiveness of food? Maybe perhaps instead of dropping hp/stamina immediately after eating it could instead start dropping at the halfway mark? I don't think the game it terribly unforgiving even in later stages but at least for solo play it would make the task of providing enough high-grade food less tedious with all the other resources to manage
but when?
foood glorious foood! COLD pilchards and mustard!
Nice
I feel like the number timers take you out of the game a bit more. Also it is nice to know right away what something will give but that still doesn't really matter much since you want to look at the stats anyways to see how much it gives.
excellent work, waiting for more news
Video updates! Very happy about this! ^^
Looking forward to us getting our hands on this :)
wanna see more about upcoming updates! cant wait to pass through ur game one more time
Short, sweet, and to the point, while teasing more. Well done.
so awesome so wonderful so amazing
Building? more stamina and health. Adventuring? more stamina and health. hmmmmmmmmmmm
Have enough so you don’t fall
To your death while building
It’s like the devs know me or something 😂😂
These changes mean nothing if the game doesn't have new stuff to do.
Ill come back in 2years...Hope hearth&home is done by then.
Great
Why haven't they made the hud look better yet. The item graphics placed over transparent black squares looks early access.
Having a teaser series like this is a great idea!
Gives us an idea of what you're working on and what we can expect.
I'm curious though, will this series work as a "This is exactly how it will be" or is it more you guys gauging the response to these changes before releasing the update?
I love what I'm seeing, but I hope you guys still value our feedback on what you're showing us.
Can't wait to see more!
Its more like. This is what it looks like as of a few days ago. We could change alot or keep it this way. Mostly to show people what to expect.
I see, I'm glad to hear that.
I feel like the video conveys that "this is how it's going to be" with no mentioning if it's subject to change.
All in all, I see all of this as promising, with just a small desire for more clarity regarding the upcoming additions/changes.
I liked the food bar better. Hope that it can be toggle back on.
Personally I think your health should increase after each boss is killed so the lowest amount of health you can have increases throughout the game. Foods can still increase it, obviously you'd have to change some numbers. You start with 25 hp after you beat Eikthyr you go up to 30 hp, after The Elder 35 hp, Bonemass 40 hp, Moder 45 hp, Yagluth 50 hp. Something along those lines would make you feel stronger as you progress through game. Food would still be very important, but I feel like for some people they dont want to spend a lot of time focusing on making food. I know this is a "home" update so it makes sense to play the food a bit, but I feel like you should get a better reward for killing bosses other than a buff that you wont really use.
I agree! It's crazy to think of how low your base HP is, even after playing the game for hours and hours...as a tough Viking in the afterlife, shouldn't my health bar get at least a little bit bigger after defeating some crazy bosses?
THIS!
YES! Finally getting some real details on the next update, I love it!
Wow, you people really don't need much, huh
An already amazing game... getting better & better. ❤️🤘
Coming August 2023
i definitely like the idea of timers instead of the bars
any chance you will FINALLY let us grow Thistle *Pretty Please* ?
I think there's a mod for that, and after months of "we don't need it in base game" devs will add it with "we are reading your feedback and care about you"
So this is the big reveal and first video you post since the release? What have you guys been doing for the last 6 months? You really need to start pumping out new content and news ASAP if you want to keep the interest up, and this is not the way to go IMO.
Oh hell yeah, hope it comes out soon
Please let us keep the food bar!
This is awesome can’t wait for the update!! :D
Waiting patiently. Oh so patiently.
Almost too patiently.
Really really loved this game and was hoping to get back into it sometime. Very sad to see that they are still working on hearth and home months later.....you will be missed valheim!
I'm happy I got >100hrs of entertainment for $20, a pretty good value. Game is solid but it's going to take a couple years to leave early access.
@@aeroripper same I got about 150hrs in and just loved being in the world, easily got my money’s worth. Hopefully I have a reason to return thou, miss it.
LMAO!! I think im going to just mod this change out.
I would love to bake in an oven.
Going into battle without a helmet, are we?
Always :P
Please don't add too much numbers as i think it will take out a lot of the "magic" of the game. It will just be max efficiency all the way instead of just a bit of guess work about what is the best to use. Don't become efficiency scape plz
Love the game, love your work!
Lmao waiting 8 months for this
Based
Ok but has anyone else noticed that the overall numbers were HARD NERFED? Lox meat went from 70/40 to 50/11, and turnip stew went from 50/50 to 11/55....those are extremely hard nerfs and I've got no idea why they're happening.
On one of their reply, the devs did say the way the food effects would drop in efficiency will be less linear, although they're still tweaking it. Perhaps this is a way to counterbalance it? No way to know for sure until it drops of course, but that's a possiblilty. And we already know there will be new recipes (wolf jerky?) so the current endgame foods might not be the best anymore.
@@mariusmunier670 Ah yes, the mighty 25/25 wolf jerky! Current endgame foods should still be the best because they come from endgame mobs. And we're not gonna have new endgame mobs for a while. Honestly, the only way to counterbalance this massive nerf is to make food give its full buff throughout the entire duration.
that's the kind of updates we really need, this game should be a never ending wheel of updates like this
please make it so food is fully effective for at least half of its duration before it starts waning. thats the only thing i ask. please please please.
If only these additions were optional, giving freedom to customize the game experience.
Get more team members
!!! Allow breeding and riding of Lox's !!!
Make a magic update
I played non-stop with a group of buddies at launch but I think the game needs an economy to get us back into it
I'm going to wait until most of the updates are out before waiting to hop in.
Reworking a food system that didn't need it turning this update into little more than fluff.
Well I hope this will not cause me more storage problems. Having to carry so much crap. Wasting space.
Man it begins to blink when it is HALFWAY!? I thought it meant it was right about to end.
All that good food wasted! XD
Any news is still news, no matter how short, thank you for the update!
Can't wait for the update, specialised food is a great addition.
This was such a good game with so much potential but they made us wait 6 months for a nice table and to be able to plant onions.
Devs took the cash and ran. They got one dude working on this shit now.
Awesome. It took a full team with millions of dollars 7 months to do something one modder could of done in 30 days. Great job!
Modder has no one to answer to, nothing to worry about, and no mob after them if they suck
And what does that have to do with Jack shit? All the sudden they're afraid of doing things because they got money? Your logic is so broken I'm not sure you're even human
They also don't like to mention that they claim there's no farming problem, while modders solved it basically.
literally, i was so hype for this game despite it still being in development. after i saw the success i thought they'd hire more devs and slam out content left and right to keep people interested; update/add new zones, new monsters, new bosses, new recipes, a last boss with a cutscene to finish it off or something.. but nope, food changes. yikes.