#fireemblem #fireemblemengage #feengage How do Gold and Silver Corrupted Skirmishes work? Is it worth it to do these battles? Why are there NO SKIRMISHES on Maddening :)?
Sadly most of us fell into donation maddening trap. Ammount of stuff you can buy for 50-70k is staggering compared to what you get from donations. And now here I am, chapter 19 with almost no money
I'm so glad I trusted my gut on this and just ignored donations entirely after one level for firene and brodia. Luckily I got to forge some crazy good weapons
hey I'm also on maddening, have done every paralogue as I've gotten them as well just wanna let you know that the donations apply to ALL missions! Yes this includes story and paralogues. **Any** time there is an post-mission exploration gathering node the yield is increased according to your donation level. I have personally checked the base values on serenesforest and compared it to my actual gathers. The yield tables are a literal multiplier. For example when it's 1->2 on the table you will literally get twice the number of items, for example steel or silver ingots. This is extremely worth it because silver ingots are worth 5k each and are needed for the best weapons. The last thing you forgot to mention is that donating straight up gives you items, for example the early brave axe for Panette is easily worth the gold put in.
I can confirm even on Hard donating is not worth it. Level 2 is only 1k, not bad, even level 3, 10k, doable, but anything above that is burning money, infinite grind exploit or no.
tbf, I didn't even use skirmishes in my hard mode run, if you know what your main party will be in late there won't be any problem that sharing exp between a lot of characters causes.
I'm glad I looked up this stuff before starting maddening cuz I barely wasted any money. It's kinda bullshit u get no skirmishes on maddening. I wanted to grind after I finished the story.
I have noticed that if you change time to get more skirmishes, you won't get any more when you go back to the "real" time, since the game will only pop more up AFTER your last skirmish, unless you close your file and come back again. I'm not saying this is what's happening to you, but could it be?
Hell, even on *Normal* it's not worth donating. Dogs provide you a chance at steel or silver ingots and they replenish after completing maps of any sort, special corrupted or not. And even if you're investing, the rate of return on investment is extremely poor for anywhere but Elusia, because they focus on Gold Corrupted. The problem is Elusian maps tend to be trickier *and* are often Fog of War when there are skirmishes there. Given skirmishes tend to follow your max level, they get significantly more daunting and dangerous if you're playing on Classic. Moreover, considering Gold Corrupted only drop between 1,000 or 1,500 gold, you have to kill *several* to break even, let alone profit. And with no way to control where skirmishes spawn, you can't force them to land in Elusia either. For economy farming on Normal and Hard, you really are better served dumping every stat upgrade you have onto Anna and turning her into a god unit that has a chance of giving you 500 gold every time she kills something.
The bridge that borders Firene and Brodia is part of Brodia which is probably the only redeeming map. Other than that Brodia is still pretty scarce for skirmishes even in Hard mode.
I think unless you play many, many skirmishes, the donations are always a trap. I'm playing on hard, i get ~4 skirmishes per chapter that i... dont... play. The only thing i need is gold, everything else is far above the current level of the story chapters. And doing an entire gold skirmish for ~2k extra gold is just so staggeringly bad against just keeping the money from donations. Just don't donate unless you HAVE to have the achievements for raising it to certain levels... Also: brodia has the least missions, true, but it gets by far the most boni from donations to multipliers compared to other regions
Not sure if was map rng or not but my 1 skirmish map was way harder than any other map I've done so far despite the recommended level being low. I donated a ton myself as I'm big on upfront costs that pay off in the long run but like you said it seems to be a trap where I actually looked up if I was doing something wrong with getting no skirmishes
From what i've early leveling brodia is an efficient way to get alot of craft material if you can surive the early gold loss. Someone made a thread that 2-3 level bought immediatly after the first brodia chapter give a massive return on investment crafting material wise. V.s buying the same mats at flea market later in the game.
The donation is more for the resources than anything. Which is why brodia and solm are actually pretty good because you have higher chance of getting silver and iron after a battle. With higher donation you can get large amounts of silver and steal. So on a hard or normal plsythrough I think its worth going up one or two levels at least. Probably not too early and definitely not max out donation. But in the end game when you want to farm up silver for weapon crafting its nice to have high donation. It will save you tons of time and money.
I just did a skirmish in Brodia at donation level 4 and the only drops I got were: 300 bond fragments and 371 Iron Fragments. In theory you are correct, but in practice you can miss out on getting big silver drops due to RNG even with good donation levels.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Dang that is a bummer. But yea overall donation is pretty crap. I feel like level 2 is maybe worth on normal/hard but for madenning I wouldnt waste the money.
I'd say do donations early, but yeah only to 1 or 2. You get a ton of money early on that doesn't get used for too much, and with the first levels just being 5k and 10k each, they're easily affordable, and can pay off big if you get them before doing many of the story/paralogues in the zone.
I made this mistake. Though for Solm at level 5 you do get a legendary axe, which is pretty nice. On my next rune I am going to not donate to anyone except solm to get the axe right away.
I don't know why there are so many skirmishes in this game. I always press the start button because I don't care about them. At the end of the day, the final chapters are recommended for advanced classes 18 or something like that on Hard, and many of my characters were 20/20/1 through 20/20/5, probably from doing all the paralogues. I was probably 7 levels over the recommended level as it was. They just don't seem necessary to me. I was playing blind and did a load of stuff sub-optimally and I still had no trouble beating it. So if you can't use them on maddening and you don't need them on hard, why are they there? :/
Perhaps to give more freedom to play around, level all the characters, give an out for people who are just plain bad at the game but don't want to lower the difficulty, etc.
@@Ryodraco Yeah, I'd probably just use those characters on a new playthrough and favour them properly. Would be a lot more satisfying then leveling them up on the side. This game has so much replayability, it seems silly to waste it in skirmishes, but that's just me.
They're there so u have the option to train up other units and experiment with classes, grind if u need, etc. U don't have to do all the skirmishes. Wish they were on maddening tho :(
This game was designed without a new game plus mode. So without skirmishes and donations then your save file dies after clearing the game. Also the tower of trials requires that you level your characters up to complete the 40 difficulty maps. This system does also help people catch up. You say you did things “sub optimally” but I bet if looking in to it, it wasn’t that bad. I’ve seen people completely pivot to a different team because they weren’t having fun with their current characters. Or force a character in to a role they ended up sucking at but not changing for 15 levels. Skirmishes eliminate the strictness of a playthrough. Otherwise there would be a very specific amount of xp available per run. 3h for instance had this issue. Where you basically couldn’t pivot after a certain point to other students as there simply wasn’t enough time.
It's for fun. So you can test out different classes, builds, set ups, grind for money and mats to do so. Personally i like it, since it gives me more to do than just play through the campaign
I spent a lot of money on it on hard. it still really wasn't worth it. maybe like 2 in each region is more than enough though you could even say its not worth it.
The more I play and learn about the game, the more I am disappointed which is the opposite of what happened with my 3H experience. Hopefully the dlc makes improvements and they fix stuff
From my experience, doing every skirmish waters the chapters down too much because my characters are too strong, but honestly I don’t even know if the chapters actually scale and it’s just because I’m only on hard.
@Jonathan Fisher agreed, I wanted to use skirmishes to train my lower level units but the skirmishes basically force you to use your strongest so I don't even bother
That's crazy skirmishes are so rare on maddening. There is like 5 popping up each time you complete a chapter on Hard.
what? I guess I was unlucky on my hard run. barely got them without the time manipulation
Sadly most of us fell into donation maddening trap. Ammount of stuff you can buy for 50-70k is staggering compared to what you get from donations.
And now here I am, chapter 19 with almost no money
I'm so glad I trusted my gut on this and just ignored donations entirely after one level for firene and brodia. Luckily I got to forge some crazy good weapons
I feel ya
hey I'm also on maddening, have done every paralogue as I've gotten them as well just wanna let you know that the donations apply to ALL missions! Yes this includes story and paralogues. **Any** time there is an post-mission exploration gathering node the yield is increased according to your donation level. I have personally checked the base values on serenesforest and compared it to my actual gathers. The yield tables are a literal multiplier. For example when it's 1->2 on the table you will literally get twice the number of items, for example steel or silver ingots. This is extremely worth it because silver ingots are worth 5k each and are needed for the best weapons. The last thing you forgot to mention is that donating straight up gives you items, for example the early brave axe for Panette is easily worth the gold put in.
Oh last thing, you were clowning on brodia earlier, check the silver ingot table for that one! it pays off
I can confirm even on Hard donating is not worth it. Level 2 is only 1k, not bad, even level 3, 10k, doable, but anything above that is burning money, infinite grind exploit or no.
tbf, I didn't even use skirmishes in my hard mode run, if you know what your main party will be in late there won't be any problem that sharing exp between a lot of characters causes.
Even the economy on this game wants you to feel the hurt and I'm okay with that
I'm glad I looked up this stuff before starting maddening cuz I barely wasted any money. It's kinda bullshit u get no skirmishes on maddening. I wanted to grind after I finished the story.
So what you are saying is dump the 70k gold into staves and power level people that way?
100%
Tier 5 does get the S tier weapons too.
Not exactly helping thier case
I have noticed that if you change time to get more skirmishes, you won't get any more when you go back to the "real" time, since the game will only pop more up AFTER your last skirmish, unless you close your file and come back again. I'm not saying this is what's happening to you, but could it be?
Hell, even on *Normal* it's not worth donating. Dogs provide you a chance at steel or silver ingots and they replenish after completing maps of any sort, special corrupted or not.
And even if you're investing, the rate of return on investment is extremely poor for anywhere but Elusia, because they focus on Gold Corrupted. The problem is Elusian maps tend to be trickier *and* are often Fog of War when there are skirmishes there. Given skirmishes tend to follow your max level, they get significantly more daunting and dangerous if you're playing on Classic. Moreover, considering Gold Corrupted only drop between 1,000 or 1,500 gold, you have to kill *several* to break even, let alone profit. And with no way to control where skirmishes spawn, you can't force them to land in Elusia either.
For economy farming on Normal and Hard, you really are better served dumping every stat upgrade you have onto Anna and turning her into a god unit that has a chance of giving you 500 gold every time she kills something.
Donation being a trap on maddening is hilarious
The bridge that borders Firene and Brodia is part of Brodia which is probably the only redeeming map. Other than that Brodia is still pretty scarce for skirmishes even in Hard mode.
I think unless you play many, many skirmishes, the donations are always a trap. I'm playing on hard, i get ~4 skirmishes per chapter that i... dont... play. The only thing i need is gold, everything else is far above the current level of the story chapters. And doing an entire gold skirmish for ~2k extra gold is just so staggeringly bad against just keeping the money from donations. Just don't donate unless you HAVE to have the achievements for raising it to certain levels...
Also: brodia has the least missions, true, but it gets by far the most boni from donations to multipliers compared to other regions
Not sure if was map rng or not but my 1 skirmish map was way harder than any other map I've done so far despite the recommended level being low.
I donated a ton myself as I'm big on upfront costs that pay off in the long run but like you said it seems to be a trap where I actually looked up if I was doing something wrong with getting no skirmishes
"I just go and play Maddening I don't play on lower difficulties"
This is such a huge flex I just got whiplash from this flex
I don't think maddening is hard enough that playing on it is a flex.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming ok I will put my big boy pants on 🫣
I couldn't play maddening as a 1st playthrough or any other playthrough cause it's just not for me.
From what i've early leveling brodia is an efficient way to get alot of craft material if you can surive the early gold loss. Someone made a thread that 2-3 level bought immediatly after the first brodia chapter give a massive return on investment crafting material wise. V.s buying the same mats at flea market later in the game.
The donation is more for the resources than anything. Which is why brodia and solm are actually pretty good because you have higher chance of getting silver and iron after a battle. With higher donation you can get large amounts of silver and steal. So on a hard or normal plsythrough I think its worth going up one or two levels at least. Probably not too early and definitely not max out donation. But in the end game when you want to farm up silver for weapon crafting its nice to have high donation. It will save you tons of time and money.
I just did a skirmish in Brodia at donation level 4 and the only drops I got were: 300 bond fragments and 371 Iron Fragments. In theory you are correct, but in practice you can miss out on getting big silver drops due to RNG even with good donation levels.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Dang that is a bummer. But yea overall donation is pretty crap. I feel like level 2 is maybe worth on normal/hard but for madenning I wouldnt waste the money.
I'd say do donations early, but yeah only to 1 or 2. You get a ton of money early on that doesn't get used for too much, and with the first levels just being 5k and 10k each, they're easily affordable, and can pay off big if you get them before doing many of the story/paralogues in the zone.
Im on Hard Classic and haven't donated squat. With silver card discount, opportunity cost is way too high.
Donation helps you get more materials for upgrading your weapons, though.
Who needs skirmishes when you have a high priest Anna
Anna gets me so much money and I'm still poor. Can't imagine how fucked my save would be without her
I can't tell the difference between silver corrupted and gold corrupted. Usually just see my overleveled unit accidentally gain a whole level 😂
I made this mistake. Though for Solm at level 5 you do get a legendary axe, which is pretty nice. On my next rune I am going to not donate to anyone except solm to get the axe right away.
Doesnt every location give you a unique legendary at 5?
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 yea, but imo only the solm one is worth the money.
Yeah I donated all my money away thinking I was goin to get my investment back. I'm on chapter 10 with no money and on maddening 😭
You don't need to change your time zone. Just advance the date by one day.....
Planning on doing my first playtrough with no skirmishes. But on my second one i'll play maddening and I plan on doing skirmishes.
why brodia is the worst? it has the highest silver/steel bonus
This vid was older
I don't know why there are so many skirmishes in this game. I always press the start button because I don't care about them. At the end of the day, the final chapters are recommended for advanced classes 18 or something like that on Hard, and many of my characters were 20/20/1 through 20/20/5, probably from doing all the paralogues. I was probably 7 levels over the recommended level as it was. They just don't seem necessary to me. I was playing blind and did a load of stuff sub-optimally and I still had no trouble beating it. So if you can't use them on maddening and you don't need them on hard, why are they there? :/
Perhaps to give more freedom to play around, level all the characters, give an out for people who are just plain bad at the game but don't want to lower the difficulty, etc.
@@Ryodraco Yeah, I'd probably just use those characters on a new playthrough and favour them properly. Would be a lot more satisfying then leveling them up on the side. This game has so much replayability, it seems silly to waste it in skirmishes, but that's just me.
They're there so u have the option to train up other units and experiment with classes, grind if u need, etc. U don't have to do all the skirmishes. Wish they were on maddening tho :(
This game was designed without a new game plus mode. So without skirmishes and donations then your save file dies after clearing the game. Also the tower of trials requires that you level your characters up to complete the 40 difficulty maps. This system does also help people catch up. You say you did things “sub optimally” but I bet if looking in to it, it wasn’t that bad. I’ve seen people completely pivot to a different team because they weren’t having fun with their current characters. Or force a character in to a role they ended up sucking at but not changing for 15 levels. Skirmishes eliminate the strictness of a playthrough. Otherwise there would be a very specific amount of xp available per run. 3h for instance had this issue. Where you basically couldn’t pivot after a certain point to other students as there simply wasn’t enough time.
It's for fun. So you can test out different classes, builds, set ups, grind for money and mats to do so. Personally i like it, since it gives me more to do than just play through the campaign
I thought this was a Pokemon video
Pokemon has Skirmishes?
I spent a lot of money on it on hard. it still really wasn't worth it. maybe like 2 in each region is more than enough though you could even say its not worth it.
Wait skirmishes appear in real time?
The more I play and learn about the game, the more I am disappointed which is the opposite of what happened with my 3H experience. Hopefully the dlc makes improvements and they fix stuff
I really like it TBH, maddening is fun/hard, a lot of unit variety/tactics
Is it not a good idea to do them both?
From my experience, doing every skirmish waters the chapters down too much because my characters are too strong, but honestly I don’t even know if the chapters actually scale and it’s just because I’m only on hard.
@@savagedragn I think everything scales as you progress. Units I haven’t used much can’t damage most things now :(
@Jonathan Fisher agreed, I wanted to use skirmishes to train my lower level units but the skirmishes basically force you to use your strongest so I don't even bother