A sailing transition from 2020 to 2021 #76
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2021
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A year ago, we kicked off 2020 sailing into Martinique. This year, as Polar Seal was in the yard, we weren’t sure we would be able to replicate the experience. That was until our friends on SY Aequus, a beautiful Bavaria 57C from 2018, invited us for a four days cruise around the island of Curacao.
At that time, the government of Curacao was allowing companies of four people to navigate Curacao’s water, and we took advantage of it to depart on a New Year’s sail!
All I can say is: we ended 2020 as it was, and started 2021 as we would like it to be!
Less than one hour after we left the dock, we caught a squall that made us broach right in front of our buddy boat and the situation was hairy to say the least.
Check out the end of the video for a debrief of the situation!
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Hej guys! We’re loving the constructive feedback, but reading a lot of comments here, it sounds like nobody ever made a mistake while sailing or ever been in a situation ;)
Joke aside, you don’t judge someone by the mistakes they make but by how they’ve learned from them.
James and Philippa have been sailing full time for two years all the way from the UK to the Med, into Turkey and across the Atlantic. They are good sailors, and they were gracious enough to allow us to show and debrief this moment so that other could learn.
We all make mistakes.
Ryan and I have definitely made our share of mistakes, and we don’t shy away from showing them.
We believe that when we are honest and transparent about the mistakes we make, we allow others to learn from them. The more you know about what happens to others, the better you are prepared to set off yourself.
Being overly judgmental of somebody over a 10 minutes clip only encourages us to silence our less glorious moments.
We believe that we are stronger as a community when we recognize that we aren’t perfect ourselves, and meet other people’s mistakes with kindness.
Also, James and Philippa’s RUclips channel is coming soon! They have edited a whole bunch of videos, but for some reasons, they are waiting to launch it. How many likes on this comment for them to press the button?! ;)
can't wait
James and Philippa are great. Have seen the video of them sailing with captain James and his new crew (from Zingaro fame) as well. James & Philippa have just great personalities, and what a fantastic vessel too; they should have started their RUclips adventure 2 years ago already. I’ll keep an eye out for their launch.
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Ah thanks! I thought I had done it :)
Glad to see you got afloat again. Whod have known after that beer in Marigot last year that the world would go down the toilet? I tip my hat to you for hanging in there. As for mistakes. Well, they go with the territory, as anyone who has actually gone out there and gone sailng for real will attest. It's alot easier to think clearly from a desk inside a nice warm, stationary room.
Everyone broaches at one point or another. Been there, done that. Your sense of humor about it is great!
Broaching is no big deal, as long as everybody has his hands holding at the boat (preventing to fall overboard), and as long as nobody is cooking downstairs. Most important: safety first, and on such a passage is the lifejacket a must.
You learn to sail these conditions on small sailboats, as well you learn to reef in time. The golden rule: when you feel the wind is getting too strong for you it’s time to reef now. I would consider the skipper of this magnificent Bavaria 57 to take a sailing lesson on a smaller boat.
What is excellent with you (Sophie and Ryan): the de-briefing is an important part of the safety procedure, and your analysis was absolutely correct.
Happy sailing everybody!!! 👍🏼😊
I grew up on Curacao and learned sailing with this weather from more or less day 1. The sea state they had is pretty average, we have sailed at much higher wind speeds. What makes it look nasty is that the wavelength is typically pretty short, so lots of water flying over the decks if you don't anticipate the waves. On the leeward side of the island (where the ports and beaches are) the sea state varies greatly dependent on the shore line, the distance from the shore and nearby hills. Once you become a racer in these waters, you learn quickly that can mean the difference between coming in first or last. Part of the fun! When I saw them broaching I didn't think much of it: typical especially with a nearby squall (which you should treat with respect!), it got a little bit more worrying when the yacht behind them kept on going as if they were match racing. And they were certainly not prepared to apply match racing tactics. That would be my only critique: keep a bit more distance from each other with these size of yachts. Other then that: this is sailing in the southern Caribbean! Love it!
Ryan and Sophie, plenty of mistakes to go round for us all. It's how we all learn and get better at whatever we are doing. Cheers!
Even two years later... your sarcasm is enjoyable...and your eyes rolling...entertaining. Your enthusiasm is contagious... if only Ryan could show it a little more... Very nice boat! Would have enjoyed some interior shots.
Now, THATS SAILING! Broaching and everything! Awesome! Makes the Anchor Beer taste so much better.
A little Monday-morning quarterback. YOU had the experience, YOU should have taken over. You already covered the lack of PFD in "sporty" conditions. Just my opinion, I'm watching this on 10 February, so I have the benefit of hindsight. Regarding the overtake, YES, you have the "responsibility." SO did the other boat. Where was there "watch person" notifying the helm of the impending collision scenario. Again, sitting in an armchair watching this ex post facto. God was with all of you that day. You have good memories for the next "do you remember" session and you are all safe, well, and wiser.
I suggest that every sailor rent a Sunfish on a breezy day. It will teach you how sailboats react to the wind, quickly. And it's a lot of fun.
Perhaps I'm biased, but in my experience, people who learnt to sail on dinghies are usually better sailors of boats with keels. If you don't learn to read and handle the wind in a dinghy you get a lot of swimming practice.
@@russellwoods1996 I will add to that. Broaching was a usual thing on my little 22 footer. Sometimes I was doing it on purpose just for the fun of it. But I realise when people experience it on a big boat like this it can be a scary experience. Especiallly when it is the first time. But I will agree with you that people who learn to sail on dinghies stand a better chance on becoming better sailors, if I should say it like that. I've done my share of dingy sailing and I'm thankful. Now in my 4 tons 28 footer if I happen to broach the only ones they will scare to death will be my guests while I will just sit there like nothing and be releasing the main sheet :-) give them a smile and carry on
@@MikeSantis I'm glad they weren't flying a chute. LOL.
What a polite suggestion. I couldn´t agree more. Listening to leisure cruisers all over YT, trying to explain broaching as a problem and being unsure of the best course of action, makes me my head hurt. It´s such a basic part of sailing. Any captain that invites an unexperienced crew on his boat, should spend whatever time is necessary, briefing the crew on the basics of sailing, safety and rescue.
@@MikeSantis The distance between windward and leeward on your 22 footer is nothing. You sit windward bracing with your feet on leeward. These bigger guys (like this Bavaria in the video) have a flat wide aft. And given the hull shape the windward helms position really goes up in the air in a broach. If you can't brace with your feet it is like sitting on a catamaran which is about to tip over (been there too!). Philippa was truly holding on for dear life. If she lost grip, she would have crashed 4m below, with likely serious injury.
I am not saying you can't sail these boat in these conditions, but you can't pretend you can freely walk or sit around like in the ads of these boats. Bad plan.
Thanks for the video. I always find it interesting how one's experiences shape their perceptions. For some of us 2020 was a fantastically awesome year and we are very sad to see it go. 2021 has started poorly, hopefully we can right that ship!
Hi guys, great video as always.
I think the captain did well, nothing really he could have done apart from depower the boat to windward. It will happen to every sailor at some point for sure.
My first broach was when I was young with my dad and we got caught out by katabatic winds while sailing past some cliffs. It was a little scary with the boat over at 80-85 degrees with the deck windows underwater. Nowadays while sailing the Stockholm archipelago, we get plenty of knock downs and broaches with the wind funnelling through the islands. It's a tricky place to sail. My first action is to try and steer the boat into wind just enough so she is on the edge of irons and half sailing, this will flatten the boat out just enough until the gust has passed, then you can take down some sail. Of course you can only do this if you have enough rudder still in the water, eventually the boat will come to windward anyways if you lose control. If you want to release the main sheet it's important to prepare for this with the mainsheet wrapping around the winch a couple of times to stop it releasing at high speed and make sure the tail is free. Usually even if you wanted to release the main sheet, chances are you will be clinging to the boat or the wheel and unable to move. A heavily loaded sheet can also take 2 hands to release as well while trying to balance. It would be my last resort to completely release the sheet but it would work.
The worst thing that can happen is if you have any obstacles to windward, your in a small channel or have any sailing boats behind you on the windward aft quarter. You will be stuck in a situation where the boat wants to round up and very healed over. The further over it goes, the less control you will have and eventually it will go into windward anyway, potentially in front of that boat behind. Situation really sucks, especially if the skipper behind does not see what it happening behind the sail.
I know you guys already know these things but I just thought I would add something anyways incase others are reading. Happy sailing guys, keep sharing your experiences. Cheers, Chris
Thank you so much for sharing and being candid about what happened during your sail. It is so important for viewers to see the good and the bad, the safe and the dangerous, so we see the realities of boat life and most importantly, can learn from your experiences.
Thanks guys
I loved the video and enjoyed listening to you narrate your way through all the ups and downs.
I greatly appreciate😁 the entertainment and the beautiful scenery ....but especially your walking us through mistakes and how you get through it. That's how we all learn from each other.
I'll take a squally day of sailing in the Caribbean over any good day on land.
.... Well! that is quite the way to usher out 2020 ... that out of the way, onwards ..... great video ... have to thank you for the debrief ... I would say that in the video the other boat was too close and you are saying in video we do not have the true perspective .... now I understand why Ryan did not look like he wanted to be there ... must comment, that is one big boat, the width of the cockpit .. a lot of area to rinse the salt off .. border line that you would become slave to the boat unless you had a crew come on board every port with lots of elbow grease ... thx for taking us on your adventure .. as always never stop dreaming, just dream bigger .. have fun be safe, save our oceans ...
It's such a pleasant surprise to find a Ryan and Sophie *Sailing* post again! ⛵
Just needs to be said… How can anybody not love that Sophie girl!?🤣😅
Ryan, your body language in the de-brief says volumes!
I am also a Beneteau owner - in gusty conditions the most important to ease is the main sheet - the jib will help you fall off when rudder stalls and loses its grip. On my boat the main can be cleated two ways - there is a cam if you want switch lines on the winch and there is the self tailer - keep the cam open so just need to release the self tailing - also if you have a fixed bladed prop in front of a single center rudder it will create lots of turbulence on the rudder And cause it to stall - a folding prop really helps in that case - polar seal although having twin wheels still has a single center rudder but think it has folding prop so cuts down on problem.
What is a good learning exercise is club racing with a number of boats sailing around a course. If gusty, a most critical person is someone to monitor and control mainsheet - when boats are racing close very easy to experience being headed up like that into another boat - the person on the main actually has the most control since if rudder stalls the helmsman has zero control - that US ac 75 in the americas cup had this happen at high speed - his last words before going airborne and the crashing were i lost steering - the main was jammed against the running backstay and could not be released - the crash back into the water knocked a 4 foot by 4 foot hole into the hull.
In gusty squally conditions always have an experienced person on the main if heading upwind
Woow, that was a scary situation.. Glad to see you both smiling though.. All the best for 2021 !!
Rounding up is when you lose control due to a gust when you are sailing into the wind (as you were). The boat will naturally turn into the wind (and can heel excessively or capsize if small and not ballasted). That turn up into the wind will naturally, eventually right the boat (as happened to you). But, you guys had way to much sail up for the conditions, were not watching the water (for the gust), and most importantly, did not have or take control of the main sheets and boom vang. When close hauled in strong winds, you should never cleat the main sheet. Immediately easing the main sheet (and vang) would have stopped the excessive heel.
A broach is when you are sailing down wind and you lose rudder control and turn up into the wind. It can be much more dangerous on a large sail boat than rounding up as the turn is such that you are usually now beam on to what was a following sea and those waves can take you over, along with the heel. Broaches with spinnaker up are particularly hairy. I've seen spinnaker poles snap or booms bent on a bad broach.
If you are running a cutter staysail instead of a genoa while reaching and you get hit with a substantial gust, would the risk of rounding up be significantly less with it or is there not much difference - assuming you're a bit overpowered to start with in either case?
@@armslength2618 It's the main sail that that causes you to round up. A sailing boat has a yawing pivot (turning) point that is approximately at the mast for a sloop (depends also on center of mass, but they are usually very close, by design). So, if the wind puts too much pressure on the mainsail, which is behind the turning point, the boat will tend to round up (yaw to windward, because the stern is pushed to leeward), while pressure on the a foresail will tend to make you yaw (turn) to leeward. A smaller foresail will have less ability to counter the yaw created by the mainsail, but at the same time, it will cause less heel, which may help you maintain rudder control. In the end, the mainsail is the "culprit", and the mainsail needs to be depowered in those situations (i.e. reefed in advance, and with easing the main sheet and boom vang in the instant). Note that most cruising yachts sail as fast or faster when maintaining minimal heel rather than moderate or high heel (hull shape, drag and effective keel area), so there is no reason to keep too much sail area up, unless you enjoy making the crew (especially the cook) unhappy or like some thrills or need to wash your feet (water in the cockpit). Having said all of that (too much), everyone gets caught by gusts at times. The old adage is to sail at 80% 100% of the time. It's safer and puts less stress on your rig and less stress on your heart.
@@russellwoods1996 Thanks a lot. Good information. I like your explanation.
The more you know! :)
@@sammaimas155 What @Russell Woods didn't say, but implied, was that you should try to maintain is a sail plan that is balanced. If you had dropped your genoa and were running with a staysail as asked in the question from @arms length usually you would be on your 2nd or 3rd reef of the mainsail. A well balanced sailplan means that you do not have to use the rudder much. So, not constantly applying rudder angle to sail straight. In theory (and it definitely works in dinghys and skiffs in mild conditions), you can change your direction by manipulating the sails alone, so no use of the rudder. You want that, because using the rudder causes drag. When racing, you want minimal drag so you can go faster. Also true for cruising, as more drag means you take longer to reach your destination. Well balanced sails will give you a neutral rudder. However, even a balanced boat can round up if the main is not eased in time or the boat steered a little to leeward just before the gust arrives. Gusts do not come unannounced. Even so, we've all underestimated the strength of an approaching gust. I've been in the drink plenty of times.
Brilliant debriefing!
Looks like you guys are back in your elements...... great debrief guys... good luck on your adventure.
Unplanned but good to see some chaos on the water. Glad all are safe and you enjoyed New Years afloat. Totally agree with your life jacket discussion. I take my PFD on every boat and wear it most of the time. Good call to mention that. Once u start wearing a good one it’s just part of the sailing garb...🤣.
Thank you for sharing that experience. At first, I thought: Ugh! That would not happen to me. But you are absolutely right. It could happen to EVERYone. And the way you do the debriefing is the most important point. Really like your channel because it is real life. Not a polished version. Thanks!
Woah I would have been terrified! You all handled it so well!!
I'm just glad nobody has been filming when we have broached! The difference between "weeeeee" and "Oh shit" is just a puff away.
Right?! We have done it a few times when we were building experience in Stockholm's archipelago and DEFINITELY looked like idiots. But we all gotta start somewhere :)
@@RyanSophieSailing Very nice Stockholm archipelago that's where l gain my experience with my sailboats and of course the Baltic see and rest is history. Now l have Hallberg Rassy Rasmus and l doing a quite big DIY refining project after that l will start sailing around the world.
Thanks for the video. Much enjoyed.
Nice to see you out on the water again!
Broaching feels dramatic but normally not dangerous or harmful to the boat, as Ryan sad this happens all the time in racing situations because you are trying to get as much speed out of the boat as possible. Trim the mainsail or reef it and your good :)
I for one appreciate your debriefing, as to what happened, how it happened, what could have been done...but then....I appreciate your videos...always good too see you
Thanks Harry! ☺
Awesome place! The only other place I’ve seen water that clear is Fiji. And love how you guys keep it real! Ty :)
I've commented a few times before but feel I need to say this... you guys put out a greatly entertaining product and I have no doubt that, if you continue, you'll be on par with some of the huge channels out there. Love you guys and truly appreciate the investment you put into your channel. I'm out of work right now but when that changes I'll see you on Patreon!!!
Oh Don! Thank you for that lovely comment!!! And thank you for being part of this community 😊
One of your best. Tx
One race in San Francisco Bay we tried to carry a spinnaker on close to a beam reach in 15 -20knots... we rounded up about 5 or 6 times up to that reaching mark. Terrible call on the part of the tactician, to try to carry it, but hey, after the 4th round up it starts getting less of a big deal, and in all honesty, it’s a good place to be when you can stay calm through a roundup. A round-down is different: no one should stay calm in a round-down.
One additional tip I’ve learned since then as well is not to try to steer down too hard. If you do that, you lose all forward motion through the water (it’s putting on the breaks to turn the rudder sideways like that). Instead, steer down more lightly but generally let the boat go head to wind if it wants to. Once the boat does in fact come back up and go head to wind, you’ll still have enough water passing the ruder to steer down slightly so you’re just pinching, and that’ll give you more time in control to ease sheets. The other reason not to steer down hard other than the fact that you stop the motion of water over the rudder (in other words, how you steer) is that the boat will in fact steer down hard with that last bit of steering you have, and then the boat goes directly into another roundup causing more chaos, and preventing anyone from letting sheets out in a controlled way.
Thanks for the debriefing! Very good analysis .... This makes the difference between bikini-sailing-videos and your very valuable sailing videos
That was fun. I've broached single handed and it taught me so much about the power of the wind.. So much fun and excitement. Thanks for another great video.
The first time I took the boat without Ryan, I broached with the autopilot on, and the button to disengage it was on the high side (I had Mia from 59 North Sailing onboard and I felt shame!) Now I know to hand steer when we sail upwind :p
@@RyanSophieSailing so you were going uphill to get at the autopilot. That's a moment!
Yep, #neverforget 😅
Great Video !
The bigger a boat is, the greater the skills(seamanship) of the crew must be.
LoL, love the humour, "it's only a race if we win" :)
Really enjoying your video’s
Hi again. Making short the full episode, my approach to “racing in a cruising sail boat against a fellow same course companion” is: 1 - ask your guests if they agree to change from the ‘dolce fare niente’ mood to ‘racer stamina’ approach to the next stage. If they do organize a crew and distribute tasks according to their skills and accepted degree of participation in the event; 2 - radio the ‘opponent’ if he is willing to take the challenge. If he is of the same mind (as most likely he will or he will be known as’ chicken’ at the dock) then establish the rules, starting and finishing points and prize to the winning crew (very important item for the overall energy of each crewmember); 3 - have the deck with the crew at ‘combat posts’ and concentrate the ‘spectators’ (if any) somewhere out in order to make easy the crew’s movements; 4 - distribute and check if security gear is properly fitted by each crew (it includes life lines along the deck if not already fitted); 5 - organize the chain of command and who will be in charge, if you are unable to keep the position and also what to do in such a case; 6 - if possible, give to one of the ‘spectators’ the task to check the sea around the boat for ‘foreign objects’ (including the opponent’s position) at all times; 7 - explain to the crew the tactics and maneuvers for the ‘race’ according to the expected conditions of wind, sea and obstacles; 8 - start the race, be brave, be fair, and reach the goal of saying to everyone in the dock you won the race against’ the fastest boat in that area’. Back at the dock enjoy (with your crew and ‘spectators’, the n+1 cans of bear and dinner paid by the looser.
(( I assume: you know racing rules; you briefed everyone at the boat about safety procedures including fire, radio, first aid, life raft operation, man overboard watching and recovery and dangers of walking about in the deck under sail, as a minimum. I also assume you know your limits, the boat limits, the gests limits/experience and you are familiar with all interactions that can occur during a ‘friendly race’. If it is not the case, refrain yourself, get experience and then race for the time you refrain to, for the time ahead and for all the times you can think, because it is fun and gives you a good sensation (even if you are the one paying the bill at the end!).))
Fair winds and flat seas to all of you.
#4 skipper should have asked for help, in those conditions someone should be on the main, it was all good, hope the wine did not spill : )
I'm rate behind you. I think I made it until 22:40 pm. Happy New Year.
That was a wild ride.
Good Video, good Debrief,,,,Lesons Learned.
My wife and I spent our honeymoon in Curaçao in 1996. The place is really wonderful.
Wow that was really educational (for a complete newb like me especially) as well as entertaining. Thank you.
Thank you! I am glad you got something out of it :)
LOL Adrenalin rush to kick start the year!
Hey Ryan and Sophie another great video thanks. Not sure if it has already been said but someone sailing a Bavaria 57 and having not broached before or not knowing what to do is an accident waiting to happen - it will bite you big time.
Glad you leave things like this broach in your videos, it is a good teaching moment. I will admit that I may have broached... a couple times... in the past, it happens as you said. The boat distance situation, well I think you said all that needs to be said about that. One comment I will make for people's benefit on here: I've observed that many newer sailors and/or inexperienced crew fear that, unless very carefully handled, the boat will just flip over at any moment even though the likelihood of that happening on a boat of moderate size (with a keel) is very very very small absent perhaps a kite being out or in some extreme following seas.
Thank you for sharing Teko. We also have broached a few times when we were building experience in Stockholm's archipelago, and felt a bit stupid about it. You are right, I was scared to capsize when it happened! :) We all have our "learning moments" :) /Sophie
Don't know why but the sunglasses wipers kept me laughing for awhile.
Video ini memberikan pelajaran berlayar yang baik. Ini yang dari dulu ingin ku tanyakan, cara menghadapi angin yang seperti itu. Video ini sudah menjelaskannya. Terima kasih Ryan and Sophie.
Thanks for the debrief , very informative. Feel bad for the dude , had to be a pride beating
He's totally fine! With that said, it takes a great deal of strength to agree to share this with literally everyone on the internet :)
Interesting comments from a whole bunch of people who don’t know big boats as the skipper didn’t. Rounding up can be fun but generally not to dangerous if you know what you are doing.
The main thing is to take power out of the main, you could have earlier obviously reefed, but the skipper could have been nervous with a broken batten, if that was the case he could have added a whole bunch of twist in the main and in doing depowered it. He could have let the sheet off and again taken the power out. He should have been hand steering, we have lots of cruiser friends who are scared to take it of autopilot. Especially with big boat the skipper should learn to sail her first, then go to autopilot later on. I expect this is 30+ tons and so has a large degree of momentum.
When you feel you a loading up, the person on the main can easily release the main or drop it down the track. If you do round up drop the kicker/vang and take the power out of that main.
I saw someone else again talking about broaching. This is a whole different beast especially with spinnaker poles. I have seen some quite bad injuries in those cases.
The whole thing with the life jackets is a personal thing ultimately it is your life. The skipper could insist, you could wear one or not. The main thing is you should not gain false confidence by wearing one.
Big boats can be very easily run with two people. Everyone says learn on a dinghy, that is great for the feel of a boat but there is no comparison in the way they handle and the danger and expense that can happen very quickly on them.
We raced our 32 footer, the 36 and 40, but our 60 foot cruiser is easier in some ways because everything is electric but also you need to know what you are talking about.
My one lesson from all this was that I wouldn’t get on that boat again with that skipper, he really looked dangerous, everything else was a result of that.
Yay!!Welcome to the diving world!! Go and dive in Roatan, Honduras...hehe
My heart was pounding for you too. 😜
Great debrief. Very interesting.
Thanks RJR, glad you enjoyed it :)
Hi Ryan, love the chilled attitude. cool. Dead right, you can only learn from making mistakes. oh and youtube of course. I ssail something much smaller and cant help feel you loose the feel as you progressivly sail larger boats. In a 30 footer youd have the mainsheet to hand and easily ease the main. It takes time. Your friend did well, he smiled thru it and kept his cool. oh Hi Sophie as well. Steveeasy
Good thing you guys s weren't next to each other. I have seen a broach before where the one boat broached straight into the one next to it.
That's why I like to keep my buddy boats faaaaaaaaaar away from us 😁😁😁😁
The broaching situation is also the reason for the different philosophies regarding what to do with the main sheet jammer. One school closing the jammer, the other prefering to leave it open when under the sail, exactly to be able to release it quickly when a sudden squall hits.
In my early years, the skipper who taught me carved a little wood plug and tied it into the cam cleat. Made for some very long days and tired arms. Sure, I capsized less but wished he would have taught me how to use the traveler properly instead.
The jammer is only meant to hold the sheet when you are not using the mainsail or if you need to use the winch briefly for another halyard. It’s really bad practice to have the jammer on.
@@chrispomfret8592 in my experience though more people than not have it engaged all the time....I'm curious if I just ran across the specific sub-group more often.
Personally, I was taught the way you describe as well, and I also think it is the 'better' way to do it.
It would be useful for people to learn to sail dinghies before moving on to large yachts. Releasing a main sheet becomes second nature very quickly. You don't have to learn anything intellectually, you just adjust naturally. Not trying to give anyone a hard time - we all make mistakes and that's how we grow - just a tip to anyone thinking off setting into the sunset.
@catwednesday; That was quite a condescending remark! Get off your high horse.
@@r.kensmall9466 I'm not on a high horse. As I said, we all make mistakes. My comment would only be seen as condescending if you consider dinghy sailing to be somehow lesser. I'm not the first sailor to recommend training in that way to speed up one's sailing skills because the feedback is so immediate that one makes connections so much faster. I really don't think that many dinghy sailors would fail to release a main sheet in that situation. Just trying to be helpful to anyone thinking about going cruising.
@@r.kensmall9466 it is quite obvious you don't sail, catwednesday said nothing wrong, and nothing i would not have said. his or her comment got likes, yours did not
@@r.kensmall9466 You know @catwednesday is right, dinghies is the ultimate platform to learn how to sail. You might end up in the water a couple of times but there is no harm in that :)
Sailing is a dynamic sport that is always changing with the weather and finding the limits of your boat is important. Going for a broach or two in a safe environment (i.e not in the middle of the atlantic) is one way of doing that...
This assumes the Main Sheet/Winch is within reach. I solo 95% of the time and in the middle of a broach the Main sheet is not there to release.... what might apply on a dinghy may not be realized so easily on a larger boat... just does not translate to me.... appreciate the point though.
When broaching blow the boom vang first. Most of the time you will regain control of steering enough to recover.
On a windy day, sail with a LUFF in the sail if not reef the sail! Never keep the mainsheet jam cleated on a windy day.. It is better to just sail with a luff in the mainsail for a more comfortable sail and to prevent what happened to you guys..
Great episode. Helpful to learn about broaching. What was the link to their channel? I don’t seem to see it.
I was born and raised in this area (Aruba) and we sail in this wind every day. One thing is for sure, a mainsail without a traveler has no business in our neck of the woods.
hi guys i'm glad that you've enjoyed my island to bad that i wasn't there
Hi Ryan & Sophie, just wanted to say that we love your videos, so informative and relaxing :) Glad to have discovered you!
We will leave in June on our travels with our sailboat Stardust ... we can't wait!
Love,
Charlotte & Henry
Stardust On The Ocean
Thank you so much Charlotte and Henry! I'm so glad you get a little something out of our videos, it means a lot to us :) /Sophie
@@RyanSophieSailing Currently we are binge watching them and we really love the input / humor (finally some good laughs inside as well!) / information / etc. Thank you for the amazing vlogs. Maybe see you one day somewhere on the water :)
Great video. I'd love to see more 'mistakes' on sailing youtube for those of us who think it's all beers and sunsets. There are a lot of project videos but not so many 'fails'. I'm sure watching it doesn't prepare you for the real thing.. but it's something.
Thanks! You are right, it doesn't prepare you for the "real thing", but the more you know... the more you know! II really wish we could create a space in which it is OK for sailors (especially the less experienced ones) to show and discuss their mistakes without being "blasted" by a minority of "know it all". One thing is for sure, I'll continue to discuss ours :)
@@RyanSophieSailing my hat off to you being honest about your learning mistakes makes you one of the really good people. thank you
Your right, broaching is an out of control feeling in slow motion with helpless feeling. Even when helming, you trust the boat to level and return to normal but it does not happen in a gale or squall. For me the only thing more dangerous is surfing down wind faster than STD boat speed, then go now down and the hull slides sideways across the surface and nearly capsize, which happened. That was an our of body experience in slow motion to survive 1 in a lifetime is enough.
Great seeing you guys again, I'm sure your working hard and play harder.
Love the underwater shots...I want to be with you ! Iowa winter is getting so long right now.
@@maryleeellisonhi151 " Love the underwater shots'" Was that before or during the broaching?
On conditions like this you should NOT cleat off the main but have it tailed by someone around winch so that when a gust comes you can “ spill “ the main and keep the boat on it feet. Allowing the mail to luff is often referred to as a “ Fisherman’s Reef”.
Also noticed your friend was colliding a line incorrectly. She was spinning the line in an effort to make a perfect circle . When this is done you develop knots or twists when the line is released. If it is passing through a cleat or fairlead in will bind up. Lots of RUclips videos on how to do it correctly. Your palms should face the same way and the line should look like a figure 8. Happy sailing.....
I noticed the line coiling as well. Rock climbing requires the same coiling method as boating for the same reasons. Those are probably the only things I know about either activity, although I’ve done both in a very limited capacity.
Great episode guys. I always have someone on the traveler line in squally conditions but a lot of the new boats don’t have travelers.
We have a traveler on Polar Seal, but I have learned the hard way that we shouldn't use the autopilot upwind (climbing the cockpit to turn it off was no fun experience :p) and there should always be one person on the main sheet xD. But we all gotta learn somehow! :)
We call that a round up. Scary but not really dangerous as this the boat will turn into the wind and then depower. This boat is designed to have a bit of weather helm and do that as a safety feature on a gust. It’s a much bigger problem when you round down and then jibe. One of the nice features of a boat with a traveler is you can usually very quickly ease the traveler much faster than easing the main sheet. While many cruising boats these days don’t have travelers, I always have though of them as both a performance and safety feature. Enjoy your videos. Best wishes. Stay safe. Hope to see Polar Seal sailing again soon.
Thanks for the kind and constructive comment Dan! I have always used the term "broaching", but now know that there are nuances :) I also never really thought about travelers in that way until now, but Ryan certainly has (we have one on Polar Seal). Though after we ourselves broached a few times while building experience in Stockholm's archipelago, I usually stand right by the main sheet, ready for action when needed ;) /Sophie
You want to try a gybe broach that,s more fun, also col regs overtaking boat keeps clear.
This time around you were fortunate!
Yes, we were. A good learning moment!
This is why we should take sailing training. I broached before I learned about what it was. I lost my nerve to sail fir years. Once I learned let out the sails, steer toward the wind, and have people shift their weight to the high side, I knew I wasn’t the only one it happened to, that I wasn’t a sailing wash up, and to practice, practice, practice. The goal is to put yourself toward that situation enough until you can maneuver out of it just like steering a car out of a slide. It’s definitely doable. We all need to practice all possible sailing mishaps the way we practice driving skills.
We never broached "in training" per say (when we sailed with our instructor that is), but we did it a few times when we were gaining experience in Stockholm's archipelago. We have a better idea of how to avoid it and how to deal with it now!
Broach..... "When in doubt, let it Out" as in your mainsheets.
Lekker man lekker
The rules of the sea are that the boat being overtaken has the right of way. The overtaking boat has to give way. In the situation of a boat being overtaken, the boat being overtaken has to maintain course.
There is no "right of way" vessel in the rules. There is, however, "give way" and "stand-on" vessels. Stand on does not mean right of way in any sense. (Rule 17)
No body has rights at sea, only responsibilities to avoid collision.
Agreed. In the racing rules the boat that is being overtaken has the right of way, however, they must be under control. If contact occurs when the leeward boat has lost control, the debate will rage. I think the last word will be regarding contact; you must avoid contact. I think it’s fantastic that Ryan and Sophie are sharing their experiences as they learn and help others. I think the take away here is to be careful of other boaters when control is questionable, otherwise a friendly race is tons of fun and an opportunity to learn more.
@@samuaarnivuo4113 True, technically, but I would not want to try that legalese on a race committee or a maritime insurer.
@@wuscal2924 what do you mean by that? Do you mean that someone could have the right of way and thus not oblicated to avoid collisions?
@@samuaarnivuo4113 No. Never said that. I was commenting on the implication in what you wrote, which was that the _only_ "requirement" is to avoid a collision. That would lead to chaos on the waterways of the world.
Autohelm!!! You can see was set to course and not angle to wind, as watch auto help bare away just before broach due to slight change of wind angle brought by gust, which made eventual impact worse. Correct approach is luff (somebody steering and under control) into wind and get ready for next step which is gradual release of sail - somebody should have been by mail or genny sheet. Not sure what they were doing releasing lazy sheet. The boat behind musty have done that as they made comment about pointing into wind during vhf chat.
Comments on colregs for overtaking boat also correct. Overtaking boat gives way, over taken boat hold course made good.
And agree, life jackets, especially as already reefed and damaged baton, regardless of yacht size.
But, we have all been there important we learn.
I agree with you John! We have been there ourselves on Polar Seal, and we also learned the hard way. Thank you for your kind and constructive comment! We all have our "learning experiences" :) /Sophie
Guys, As always i love your videos. May i suggest you go racing with some experiance, what happened to you rounding up is very common place for racers as we are always trying to carry as much sail as possible so are always on this edge when the puff comes. Plenty of techniques for those times, sometimes we will play with the edge of irons, another one is to travel down and if thats not enough then ease the mainsheet. No need for it to be a panic and blow everything, just ease as quickly and safely as possible. Hope you dont take this as a knock. Keep up the good work and smiles.
Hi Neil! We have considered it a few times, but I have to admit that I do have a little fear about it 🙈Though if the opportunity presented itself and the crew felt "safe", I could get over it :) As cruisers, we typically go for a nice, long and slow ride, with the occasional "that was a little outside our comfort zone!". I do want to become a better sailor though, I think it would be a lot of fun! :) /Sophie
@@RyanSophieSailing Firstly dont listen to the nay sayers. Thanks for your reply, and you are doing awesome so just enjoy it. Pushing the boundaries is not a bad thing, dang look at when you guys left Sweden, you were crapping yourself and look at you now. Just remember familiarity and repetitiveness with uncomfortable situations will make you forget you ever had worries (but its always good to have a healthy respect for mother nature, she can be a B***ch). The worse thing about rounding up is the clean up of all the stuff tossed around in the cabin. Keep up the good work, love the channel.
@@neiltreadgold5720 @Ryan & Sophie Sailing. I've been listing to the Salty Dawg winter seminar series. Bob Perry, Navel architect, said this during questions: "Cruising sailors as a group are terrible sailors; if you have not raced the chances of you being a good sailor are slim. You are probably ... make it hard on yourself, and you make it hard on the boat". I thought it was an interesting comment, my husband, a racer, obviously agreed. I don't like racing - the start is too nerve racking - but I have learned stuff when I raced. Best solution - crew on someone else's boat! I love your debriefs!
Been there, done that, broached a few times, didn't get a t-shirt though :(
Hey crew lets make believe were are on the Viking Sky for a couple minutes.
You dragged up a memory from my youth, you made a moue just like Granmere did. LOL Will also say what a difference from when you first started and a bit of rough had you shaking for a couple of days. Now, a quick recovery and a calm debriefing. Much progress.
My parents made me with a very wide range of facial expressions 😆 thanks Mark! We have surely learned a few things over the last (almost three) years! :)
Sophie, sweat it when you are under spinnaker and broach in big waves. I was walking down the side of the cabin, just about to grab the hatch boards to put them in, when the captain finally got the trimmer to drop the sheet. Yep when the rudder pops out of the water, on the crest of a wave, it gets interesting really quickly.
Best wishes all.
Weeee!!! No thank you, hahaha :D Big waves? No spinnaker for me! 😂(we are cruisers, not racers. I love my life at 5 knots with a great diner cooking in the galley 😋)
@@RyanSophieSailing Yes before the broach, we where regularly hitting 14-17 kts down the waves.
@@carlthor91 you crazy sailor 😉
With so many people making suggestions, I almost feel I shouldn't but here goes anyway (sorry). When sailing upwind in gusty conditions, there should always be someone at the mainsheet ready to let the sheet out in a controlled manner (as Ryan quite rightly said) immediately before the gust hits and you feel the boat is going to heel excessively. It is the heeling that makes the boat want to go to winward and if you let it heel too much the rudder will no longer work and...a broach happens. Communicating with whoever is at the helm is very important. But these broaches to winward don't really have any consequences other than a few pots flying aroung inside. What is dangerous is broaching on a broad reach or running downwind in what is called a chinese gybe. Here the boat will heel to winward (because of the spinnaker) and this can severely injure somebody as the boom swings across the boat. You also run the risk of breaking the spinnaker pole and the boom. In this case what causes the broach is the weight of the spinnaker to winward and releasing the mainsheet will do nothing. You must try to move the spinnaker to leward by letting the pole go forward (again slowly not to break it) and at the same time sheeting in the spinnaker. NEVER release the spinnaker sheet in these cases (chinese gybe) because it will only make things worse. See this video on minute 2:57. Safe sailing. ruclips.net/video/V-d2BTmo2kQ/видео.html
I would: reduce sail beforehand, hand steering, paying attention to wind and seas and learning how to sail in theese conditions in a small boat before atempting to sail a large cruser. Do not let go the sheet when under tension because you may end up with a lot of problems, because you are sailing a large cruiser almost singlehanded. By the way, if the sails are trimmed ok the boat has tendency of self correcting the heeling. If you need absolutly to use the autopilot, then select the wind function instead of heading. Wish you fair winds and flat seas to your adventures.
Um, easing the sail using a winch should allow you to ease it under tension. If you can’t ease it gently you need more wraps. The helmsman was trying to ease it while the jammer was on still.
After having broached a few times while Ryan and I were building experience, I have learned that upwind = no autopilot, and one person on the main sheet. I am also a big proponent of reefing :p We all learn! ;)
Thats a nice boat
we like it a lot! :)
I think you all done great seems like Ryan was mad though
Ease ease ease.... He was the only person controlling the sheet(s) and helm, that was irresponsible. Never being in a broach before is not the problem, sailing is a full time job, no matter the conditions. Looking back at the other boat was taking away everyone's attention to the situation on the boat. Especially in those conditions, there needed to be someone driving, someone on the sheets, and someone looking for other boats, and watching for puffs. It appears that they were able to buy more boat then they can handle. In my opinion they need some guidance on proper boat handling. Maybe a sailing coach is available for them.
Bigger is not always better especially for first time sailors
Growing up Racing small boats and dinghies I think gives the sailor a solid understanding of sailboat handling. I would strongly recommend getting in small boats whenever you can and just messing about. Sailing a dinghy to the point of capsize helps the understanding of boat dynamics and elevates the fear, allowing you to think clearly when you need to on a large boat. If you have an opportunity to race in small boat races join in, it will teach you so many things. All the skills learned are transferable to large boats. Glad you had a good four days and a positive learning moment, it doesn’t get any better. Cheers
So one thing that very few people know about me, is that before Ryan and I got into sailing, I occasionally sailed hobby cats in my hometown in Brittany (yep! who knew ;)). I didn't find the skills transferable at all 😶 (maybe because I didn't do it enough? Or simply wasn't very good at it? 😅) I could talk for hours about the topic, but... I have broached, capsized, and ended up bruised in the water pulling the cat up more than my fair share of times. Yet when Ryan and I got on the "big boat", I recognized nothing! And we broached a few times while building experience in Stockholm's archipelago. OK, maybe I just wasn't very good at it, still enjoyable though! 😅/Sophie
I've definitely put my boat into a broach. Mast head touched water. So sorta hoping most sailers say they've experienced it. 😁
Ooooooh!!!! That sounds scary... I think there are two types of sailors out there, those who have grounded or broached, and those who hide it ;) /Sophie
I thought it was good to see your helmsman, the Captain, dealing very effectively with a situation that was not foreseeable. Any dinghy sailors who say he should have read the water: not on that boat. The scale is completely different.
Again, great job by your helm. If your feet didn't get wet, you weren't THAT far over! :-)
And, by the look of it, the other boat was bleeding air by luffing quite a lot, which was why he was coming over your port side instead of starboard.
Sorry, but you clearly didn't judge this properly. The situation was foreseeable: the gust caused by the squall is highly predictable. And squalls aren't invisible and you can read the water even in these conditions. Where this happened I know as my back pocket, I grew up on Curacao and learned sailing on these waters.
The captain clearly lost control, as they almost made an involuntary tack. As such not a big deal BUT they had another big yacht very close by. That was the big deal.
Also Phillipa totally underestimated where to sit in the cockpit in these conditions. She literally held on for dear life.If she had lost grip it would have been a lot worse than her broken slipper.
Hmmm... COLREGS = As in "Collision Regulations". Not laws? An Admiralty Court or Court of Inquiry would disagree.
Well, I would hope you'd never have to argue the rules in front of an Admiralty Court, as it is ultimately each boat's responsibility to avoid collision :) /Sophie
I can’t see any link to James and Philippa’s channel in your description???
Hi Sophie; I wasn’t able to locate that link to James and Philip’s RUclips channel either. Can you let us know? Thank you, wonderful video today!
I was unable to find their channel also.
Yeah, if anyone finds it please share. Loved the two boats. Looked like they set up exact same also.
@@r.kensmall9466 I believe you may be looking for “Sailing Zingaro”
Thank you John Haywood; the correct RUclips name for this Channel is; “SAILING ZÍNGARO”.
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Where is youtube link to other couple please.
Keep it real! Ignore the troll know it alls. Found you thru Sailing Zingaro.
Thanks Dana! (it’s like you read my thoughts 💙)
IMHO if it was a broach , it was due to the helmsman not paying attention to the wind and the waves. Every time I have broached it happened while surfing the boat down steep waves at just enough angle to loose control. Those waves you were in didn't look big enough to lose control in which makes me believe that it was just a gust of wind with too much sail up. It's hard to be ready for those situations i've found. You pretty much have to have your hand ready to release a sheet or two. It's an awful feeling going sideways down a wave and your rudder has lost all it's grip in the water. You just hope your rudder digs in before you roll over. Just some thoughts. You's guy's did good. It's not fun if you're not getting you daily shot of self induced adrenalin ! I've scared the living crap out of myself every time I was skipper ! Cheers
Wow , that Bravaria is a Hot ! boat , good work Mrs Sophie you're just about caught up in real time with the videos ;-) ;-) ;-)
P/S , keep an eye on James , Zingaro James , ( at least try to keep him out of jail , lol ) ;-)
The downside to catching up to near real-time is you eventually run out of content and that is never good.
It is physically impossible for us to run out of content. Ryan has too many tech projects that he loves filming (I never thought I would ever say that but it is true) /Sophie
@@RyanSophieSailing / love to you both from Quebec , Canada ;-)
Sailing is a really simple thing...if you heal over ease the sail. Put the camera down and help out. Turn the autopilot off and steer too. If you can’t steer better than an autopilot you can’t sail.