$599 M2 Mac Mini vs $13,000 Mac Pro | DaVinci Resolve Battle
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00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Disk Speed
04:34 - Resolve Startup
06:05 - Editing Performance
07:45 - Detail
08:35 - More Editing Performance
12:41 - Exporting Test
15:50 - My Thoughts 
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I think MKBHD was referring to the M2 PRO mac mini bc it’s the one he have
MKBHD wqs referring to base model. He is doing it with $13000 one.. :)
You're right. He has the pro one
My M1 Macbook Pro 13’ SSD speed reads 2500mb/s … I am surprised the 256gb version is about 1,000mbps, mine is 512gb
@@Techranium no he wasn’t he was referring to the one he has he even showed the name on screen m2 pro and it almost has double the benchmark of the mac pro
Lol
As said in the comments, MKBHD was speaking to the base model with the M2 Pro chip. It’s still nuts what a base M2 model can do though. A $599 Apple machine can run pro level projects. 🤯
It needs a lot more memory than 8gb. 32gb min for video - especially Adobe premiere
@@Mr_Kenneth I've delivered a one hour timeline with 9 cinema cameras shooting RAW and noise reduction that have been broadcasted in half of the world with a base 8GB of RAM M1 mac mini, no issues. The internal SSD is faster that a 10 years old RAM, so it compensates the lack of RAM on bigger projects. They say the SSD could get damaged using it this way on the long run, but I could trash a Mac Mini every year and still it would pay for itself...
now thats what a real test looks like everyone says ooo m1 crushed intel lmao when you editing full fledge work effects and noise reduction mac apple cries in corner and intel laughs silently
@@BlingJ. stop repeating your nonsense. Read my reply to this same comment in the thread above.
@@teo__ It's always people who don't have professional experience obesessing over specs. They can't finish any project and just spends money on tools they never use.
The Mac Pro in the video in the video is not the base model, it has 2 graphics cards, a 5700X and a 580X, both of which add up to 16.6 tflops. The current base model Mac Pro has a 5500X which is 5.6 tflops, which is a lot more in line with the m2 mac mini at 3.6 tflops of maximum theoretical f32 gpu compute. Blackmagic RAW and de-noising are parallel tasks shared on the cpu and gpu, but the gpu will do most of the heavy lifting.
that shows you How you Can Configure your own system when and however you want to, instead of the manufacturer dictating for you which is not even Upgradable
@@kojopimpbut it’s also not comparing what he said he was comparing. Base model Mac Pro w/ factory GPU and factory drive. That’s like saying I am going to compare my new base model Ferrari 458 to my older Ferrari 512TR that I added twin sequential turbo chargers and a 400hp nitrous shot to.
@@rjakiel73 totally understand you but my point is that Apple Restraints you from Performing the Basic Upgrades yourself and for the Facts that you have to configure your system once till the End of the Products life unacceptable for Me.
Something is wrong with the disk speed too. My 2020 MBA M1 has constant read / write speed of over 3000 MBps.
@@10p6he has chosen the smallest SSD. So only 1 chip is is used instead of all 4 if he hadn’t cheaped OUT
Yes Marques is referring to the Mac Mini with the M2 Pro chip which is entregue el with 512 GB storage, which gives two storage elements that may not slow down speeds as as the base M2 chip one
Yep
Don't you need a gig to get two ssd chips? Or is that just on the new macbooks?
@Native or paging, or anything else that makes a lot of disk activity
now thats what a real test looks like everyone says ooo m1 crushed intel lmao when you editing full fledge work effects and noise reduction mac apple cries in corner and intel laughs silently
Fabulous reviews and real-world comparisons! Many thanks!
The best video on the M2 mini so far. Great work.
Yeah man. I feel ya. I have the 28-core Mac Pro and just got one of the M2 Pro Minis for a rig to take with me and it's hard to believe that the performance is even close at the price point but the thing is, I love my Mac Pro for my daily pro work, I can do what I need to on it reliably and it's not going anywhere any time soon. Best of all worlds for me.
Getting a MacBook Pro to be portable and do edits then a Mac mini to do renders (however long it takes) might be a good combo at a fraction of the price of the Mac Pro. I’d like to know if an external SSD could make the render go much faster. That seems to be a major factor.
Most interesting video - I learnt a lot.
Many thanks....all the way from London !
I was actually almost compelled to try one out. Such a big difference between expectations and real life
now thats what a real test looks like everyone says ooo m1 crushed intel lmao when you editing full fledge work effects and noise reduction mac apple cries in corner and intel laughs silently
The crazy thing is the M-series hardware is still new and performing great. I can only imagine 5 years from now what can be done in professional environments. SSDs and RAM getting faster along with optimized software. Great video.
we'll talking 100+ cores then
now thats what a real test looks like everyone says ooo m1 crushed intel lmao when you editing full fledge work effects and noise reduction mac apple cries in corner and intel laughs silently
@@BlingJ. there’s some truth to it, but the power draw from Intel is way higher. I’m all for competition.
Great revue man! A real test of the capabilities between the different models.
Bro amazing video! Got so much valuable information from this comparison and definitely am now leaning towards the mac mini over the macbook pro. I am a beginner editor and first time buyer of these products. You’re amazing!
You have the wrong question if you're comparing MacBook Pro and Mac mini on performance. The right question is, do you need the portability of a Macbook with battery and screen, or do you work in a fixed location. Performance is almost the same.
The comparison uses an old M1 MacBook, not an m1 pro. They should all perform similarly
Michael you’re channel is so high quality! Keep up the good work 😁
Thank you for doing this . This is very helpful !
Great video - especially on your internal work drive(s) and overall benchmarks. We use the Mac Pro w/ dual Radeon Pro W6900X and a 12-core Mac Mini M2 Pro w/32GB RAM, 512GB SSD, and 10Gb Ethernet for our multimedia beasts. For most daily tasks and overall budget cost, the Mac Mini M2 Pro is a heck of a deal.
Can i ask if you’re using a special stand to tilt the lower monitor like this? Thanks!
It’s nice to hear your perspective, thanks for the video
Hey man, great video! Just a note about Fusion clips causing errors in rendering in DaVinci that you mentioned on the M1/M2 machines - I’ve found that if you Render in Place Fusion clips before you render out the project then you don’t have those error issues for whatever reason. Might be worth trying, because it was driving me insane until I figured that out and wasted a load of time with failed renders. Cheers.
100% this is the fix! I normally do that. Since I had this project open on 3 computers and was running a bunch of tests I forgot to do that so I just disabled the text clip on the 3 machines to ignore the issue lol but yes great tip! 🙌🏼
@@initialfocus Haha, nice one - glad you figured it out yourself anyway, it was such a pain!
Very helpful. Thank you.
now thats what a real test looks like everyone says ooo m1 crushed intel lmao when you editing full fledge work effects and noise reduction mac apple cries in corner and intel laughs silently
Awesome 👌 Review, thank you for your time and effort.
Do you have a video that explains your setup a bit more? does having the lower monitor really help with ergonomics - or is it a very specific use case?
This was a great side-by-side review. Thank you
finally a proper real life test and not just render speeds.
Oh I saw that square monitor there for you setup. How do you like that? I've been thinking about getting one
Great work and very smart vlog!
I laugh so hard when "The Camera Died" shows up :D
thanks for the time you spent! at least on practical situation, on paper specs really can't show the real world use case.
do u think as a beginner editor with 1080p projects mostly , is the mac mini M2 worth it for the price
THAT was a fascinating video, thank you very much!!
That's really interesting... May I ask what the macbook pro is in the video? cuz I have a mid 2015 mbp with intel i7. I swapped to a Samsung SSD by myself (running Monterey); even though it's a six to 7 years old machine, the speed test on my mbp is still faster than the mbp in the video (writing about 1400 while reading about 1500) (BM speed test app)...
Thank you very much for this video! I am awaiting my base model M2 Mac mini, and became scared of my FOMO as soon as I started watching other reviews from RUclipsrs who were using Disk Speed tests and other bench scores. I’m not a professional videographer / editor, and as a hobbyist I was intrigued with the base M2 Mac mini model considering how I experience DaVinci Resolve on a late 2019 MacBook Pro with Intel Core and 16GB memory. Sure, I could’ve upgraded with the 16GB memory, but my initial decision was based on the price point.
Thank you for doing this! The is is what I needed to know! Don’t like the long exports… and every video was only sample clips! ❤❤❤
hey love your setup, is that a square display on the left? if so whats the model? thanks
I wonder how much it would change with after burner card and apple's editing software
Great video. They are such different beasts. Like the Mac mini is great little delivery van, while the Mac Pro is an 18wheeler.
Can I see the actual video that’s in the editor? Looks like a good short film
Can you put 2 monitors through the Thunderbolt and one for the hdmi?
What monitor arm are you using to stack and tilt your bottom monitor?
Great detailed comparison. Would like to see how the M2 Pro Mac Mini fares against those
AWESOME VIDEO! Thank you !
Yes I've been waiting for the da vinci resolve m2 mac mini review
Why not export in ProRes to use the internal encoders and decoders
Can you link to the duster vacuum thing at 39 seconds?
Good presentation, very well done!
Can anyone give me the link, for the wallpaper on his macbook at 4.56
I love your monitor arrangement. I edit with 3 32inch screens currently and have them in a side by side layout. I may have to try yours out. As for the video, fantastic work. That mini might actually be a replacement for my 6,1. I still want to see what the new Pro will offer though.
I have mine in the same was as his and didn't realise it was a thing for anyone else. I first saw the angled monitor in a recording studio set up and thought mmm, that's interesting and have tried to go back but nope, if your desk is deep enough it is def the way forward. It is like having a huge laptop in front of you, easier to see the bottom row of tracks or interface, just feels much more as if you are a part of it. I don't have the same size as yours though. I have a 27" for the lower one which is fine as I am practically on top of it, have my 24" ultrafine at the top as the clean feed/colour screen and a little 24" in portrait for the other bits and bobs. I have quite a small desk space as I do everything from home so it completely makes great use of the space.
@@ggproductions7078 yeah I’m wondering if 32’s will work with this setup. I’m going to give it a go none the less.
Agreed, I don’t need all that, but it does look super cool, completely tailored setup.
@@CreativeMindEnt oh definitley do, if you have the room its great.
I would love to see an M2 Pro or Max machine running the same test to see what the improvement is. Someone who works on projects at that level, will likely purchase a Max or Ultra chip rather than a base model.
what specs does the mac mini m2 you tested have?
What GPU do you have in there? All effects and especially color grade makes use of the GPU mostly
Any updates to Resolve since this video? I saw somewhere that export times were significantly faster after an update.
Nope, latest resolve update was December 22
Great video, one of only two videos I've found that presents a real experience with the Mac mini and doesn't just throw the same benchmark scores at me as if it means much. These types of videos always help with the main question you should ask yourself when you buy a computer... "what do I want it to do?".
I've been looking at a Mini pro to replace an ageing MBP, most of my work is remoting into facilities, but want a little extra headroom so I can do some basic stuff locally, this answered a lot of my thoughts, thank you.
I bought the M2 Pro in 2023, w/32 gb, and I feel like I should have gone up to 64gb. I am debating whether or not to get Davinci Resolve, but was a bit worried it wouldn't work very well.
@@a.f.johnston6753 I’ve got the 32gb one, I believe that’s the maximum. I was a little gutted that the new Mac Studio came out, I was swayed a bit by rumours of a Studio delay until next year. But so far I’m very happy, although I’ve not used it for much beyond a bit of photo editing and remote video editing, so nothing local. I think a little expensive for what it is, but it’s still my most satisfying Mac buy since my G4 PowerBook 20 years or so ago.
Link to that editing hard drive ?
Nice test! It does seem the desktop is maybe slower for something's but rocks when you need the power.
Did you find any loud fan noises during heavy video processing?
GPU is the biggest factor? I'm mainly Apple but run Resolve on a Windows PC with Nvidia 3080Ti and it is the fastest system by far. Cheap M.2 SSDs run at 5-7k/MBs. Miss MacOS but the Windows rig is so fast for so little money.
Nice work. Looking to upgrade my my m1 to the m2. Thanks!
the real question is is it m2 much more prone to pushing to the limit than original M1 - as meny youtuber mention ? I heared that when you open 2 or 3 apps then M2 is getting really slow and bussy compared to old M1 - both base 8GB versions.
Thanks, full day director editor here still using the trash can and switching soon and this helps !!! Real life scenario. Cheers,
Great review, mate.
MKBHD was talking about M2 PRO model, not M2. There's a big difference between two.
The first 15 seconds got me to sub. Love this style of testing.
Your Mac Pro works well because of the fast drives?
My MacBook M1 Pro opens Resolve 18 project from scratch in 13,5sek. I can't fugure out why there is such a big difference comparing to this videos opening times.
Bro, you have a problem with the ssd of your m1 MacBook. My MacBook Air M1 with 512 ssd have 2800 w/r speed. And all the test of m1 outperform the ssd of m2.
What drives are all these projects running off of? The desktop drives that you speed tested? Rendering and playback out of resolve depends heavily on the speed of the drive to an extent. If everything on the macpro was running off of your 5000MBs card then yeah, its not gonna bottleneck.
Can you connect multiple M2 computers and let each of them render a part?
It would be interesting to see how the mini goes if it had more RAM, 8GB is just not enough really.
Thats the point, Apple does that so u Buy the 16gb variant
I went from 16gb ram on an Intel Mac mini to 8gb ram on a M2 Mac mini and I’m good.
now thats what a real test looks like everyone says ooo m1 crushed intel lmao when you editing full fledge work effects and noise reduction mac apple cries in corner and intel laughs silently
Very simply , I’m a Drummer looking to make multicam (4 cams) video using Resolve with an ATEM MINI PRO ISO . My question is if I buy the new 2023 Mac Mini M2 , will this be enough computer to make these videos. They will be no more than 6 min videos and the audio will be premixed through a X32 digital console , so audio has no part in this . Thanks
Is your ssd close to full on the mbp? My gf has a mbp with an intel chip and she gets like 1200MBps. No m.2 should be at 600MBps unless it has an issue or it’s getting full. Unless Apple is slowing them down haha.
Which storage capacity does she have? The 256GB ones (my base model) has the slowest speeds. 512 and up have significantly higher ones
2:35 no one tell him the M2 Mac Mini 512GB+ versions have much faster SSD performance than base M2 Mac Mini 😂
BTW, which movie is that?
Interesting review. It would be nice to make some summary slides.
Great comparison based on real world usage, not benchmarks and simplified workflow. I have M1-nothing 13-inch MacBook Pro, purchased a few months before M2, super deal with 1TB and 16GB. I almost bought a Mac mini but glad got a MacBook because the best Apple Silicon feature is how long a single battery charge lasts. I use my MacBook completely unplugged most of the time, like an iPad. With every other laptop I’ve used before (Mac or PC), it’s mobile for transport but stationary when using because I usually plugged it to power. And its performance way more that good enough for the “not pro” stuff I do. I even like the Touch Bar now and learned to be efficient with single smaller screen. Glad your Mac Pro (last Intel Mac in lineup) has “time is money” benefits in the real world.
What GPU do you have in your 7.1
thank you. excellent video
should try the M2 Pro mini with max memory and 1TB or 512G SSD to compare.
Thank you…I’m about to edit if my first t tiktok and I reckon a mac pro should finish it before I start
Do you think the GPUs make a difference? Metal? It would be neat to actually hear about each GPU core and if they are actually different? How they address memory? On PCs video cards have “RAM” and the tech like nVidia have advances like “RTX”. And how many GPU cores are on the M2 you used?
One of the most frustrating things is unlike on PC I have almost no control over my GPUs and when they are used. For example many PRO programs will default to use only my 580x which is only 8GB VRAM instead of using both of my 5700x which is 16GB.
So how much does it help…..it’s hard to calculate sometimes I find haha
Disk speed - no, M1 SSD speeds are actually higher than M2 due to the single NAND-chip used in some M2 models (your included). Must be something with your MacBook.
Agreed in every test I saw the m1 base models ssd was always better than the m2 256 gb ssds
Is the m2 better than the MAC STUDIO M1 MAX??
I've never seen read/write speeds that low on my 8GB M1 MBP. Full disclosure though, I use one Samsung T7 for project files, and another for cache/scratch. The SSD in my M1 only holds DR and other applications.
Very interesting review/comparison. I wonder what it would be with a better configured M2 mini though. Like 32GB 12 CPU core M2 Pro mini with dual channel ssd which still would be about 7-8 times cheaper than the Mac Pro.
yep... the only issue with m2 pro mini is cooling. under heavy tasks it gets noisy (based on what i read...)
@@odalv7278 Linus Tech Tips did a load test and the fan only kicked in half way and was on the lowest RPM, the machine didn't throttle a bit... I don't know where you read what you're telling, but I would re-visit to verify. I trust LTT on this, they're not fanboys.
But this is definitely a great review! Thanks so much!!
what is the name of the movie and where can I see it?
@Michaeltobin. ok. what cha got?
Thanks, Michael, for the illuminating video!...Feel your pain as a 2019 Mac Pro owner!...LOL
Actually, the best way forward for the Mac Pro is a return to the basic architecture set forward by the NeXT Cube.
I imagine the next Mac Pro (pun not intended) as an ATX motherboard with one processor slot (maybe M2) and 6 or 8 PCI express slots where you would plug basically either a Mac Mini mother board as a GPU Graphics card or an NVIDIA or AMD CPU graphic card.
This would create a scallable cluster similar to IBM Scalable POWERparallel. (SP2) which would act like a single UNIX entity.
It's so weird, I have watched several other videos and their experience was the opposite. You seem to be straightforward and unbiased. It's puzzling. Great video BTW, you put a lot of work into this. On a side note, I don't use a PC that isn't a workstation with ECC ram and xeons. They are so rock solid. I don't think I have ever crashed on my z620 HP in 6 years.
Unfortunately there’s a lot of variables at play. For example the type of footage everyone uses. I film in BRAW which is an amazing optimized for resolve on almost any computer. But I’m sure if I was editing idk Sony 4K h.265 footage my Mac Pro May struggle more because the new m chips are better at h.265 stuff. But thank you, I definitely have no bias. Both computers are incredible in their own way. I just find it so fun to test out.
Watching Videos of things I don't even own is Crazy 🤣🔥
Why did the Mac pro export faster?
How is your M1 MBP only getting less than 1000? Mine is getting 5300 read and write.
It’s the base 256GB. Apple uses striped drives once you go 512 or above which greatly increases drive performance
Marques' video title is "M2 Pro Mac Mini Review". Apart from your Mac Pro not being the base machine, you are not comparing it with what he was talking about.
please do try the base mac mini m2 pro 🙏🙏🙏
Would be amazing to see the same tests done with an un-tricked out Mac Pro.
The Mac Pro isn’t using its apple Drives SSDs, will like to see you running the test again on the apple SSD, since we’re comparing what you get from apple when you buy the base model with no changes
True but also, you most likely won't use stock SSD if you're getting a mac pro.. you're gonna edit terra bytes of files and most ( almost everyone ) will use external drives.
You seen the price of nvmes now? why would you NOT do the upgrade.
@@jondonnelly4831 Probably for the same reason that when I buy a new car I don't want to have to take it directly to the mechanic. "YeAh bUT hAvE YouSeEN hIS lOw PrIcES?"
Would ECC RAM be a factor in export times? 🤔
Nope. ECC is pretty useless in consumer or even prosumer applications.
Its 100% necessary if you're running big simulations, data centers, banking systems etc.
@michael tobin please do this same test with m1 pro 16inch model and m2 pro 16inch model please please please
Are you going to snag an M2 Max MacBook Pro soon? Those look hella powerful!
Base machines are pretty good but for Pro work, as you said, better to go with a Pro machine or more RAM and storage!
Honestly, i think that the M Apple chips are great especially if you combine them with their own software (Final Cut Pro X.) But for Apps like Davinci Resolve, i just don't think it's been optimized enough for that. I know i love my €15.000 Mac Pro as well. Though my GPU is seriously lacking. I have the 8TB SSD NVME from Apple though. I think the Apple SSD's are plenty fast. Though they are absolutely on the pricier side! But i learned my lesson to NOT go basic with Apple. Either go mid or high tier. I think mid-tier is the best bang for your buck though. (When buying Apple products i mean.)
Exactly 🎉
wasn't the point Base vs base models?
Are you going to compare the M2 Pro to see how that does?