Couple of quick points! - All media files for all projects were run from an external Nvme SSD (I've put link in description!). It's basically essential with 256gb internal! - Both are the cheapest versions so M4 is 16Gb, M4 Pro is 24Gb memory. I chose to test 'cheapest Vs cheapest' rather than like for like. In the projects I demonstrated, I don't think the memory will make a huge difference. I checked the usage and only occasionally saw a swap file but didn't log it. 16gb is fine, 24 is better. More is always better with memory but 16 isn't bad. - I'm not advocating you swap your Pc for a Mac Mini! Different strokes for different folks. I just wanted to demo how these perform. You do your research, and pick what works best for you 🙂 Yes, some of this should have been in the video 🤣 but you know, RUclips good I am!
This is the best comparison of the base and pro for DaVinci Resolve I have seen so far. Thanks so much for not just showing render spends, and actually focussing on timeline performance as well as magic mask etc.
Even the render speeds for 10-minute 4k videos or shorter are fast. 2 minutes or less won't change anyone's life unless you work at a high-pressure news organization pumping videos out like a maniac.
I bought the Mac Mini M4 Pro and it took 11 hours to render 1hr 45 min video with sharpening, tracking and deflicker. My 2020 Macbook Pro was going to take 3 and 1/2 days to render the same project, but the 2020 MBPro crashed after 8 hours of rendering, just could not handle it. So the M4 Pro is definatelty worth it for big jobs where you need lots of Fusion effect and staiblisation. I love it. Buy the Pro, Cheers.
@@IngriqiDin Yes, 4k render. And I had 4K source, 6k Full Frame source cropped, repositioned and stablised with 2 tracking points. The Deflicker was the main reason for slowing things down. The Deflicker completely removed any fluorescent light flickering on the walls. Amazing result.
If people want better playback, just render ProRes proxies at half resolution. They are created quite quickly on Apple hardware and will allow you to play any effect in realtime.
M4 is a great deal unless you need to upgrade. Every single upgrade is way more expensive for the base model, making the pro model better if you need to upgrade RAM and SSD, giving you better CPU and GPU as well for almost the same price basically.
Yeaaah that's how Apple get you the clever swines ha! If you've upgraded the memory and Storage, you're only a few hundred off the Pro so, you might as well.
I have a Mac Pro 4.1 from 2009 with an RX 5700xt, and amazingly, it pulls in sometimes double the performance of the M4 Pro. These old machines still rock!
Great comparison. The one thing I would add is that you really do need 512GB of SSD which makes the realistic M4 model cost $799. And to really compare apples to apples you would need to bump up the memory to 24GBs so $999. The other M4 Pro advantages besides more cores, more GPUs and faster processing include way faster unified memory (up to 273 GB/s vs 120) and Thunderbolt 5 vs TB4. So the base model will do the job but the Pro is probably a lot better for video editing.
I think people don’t appreciate how incredible having Thunderbolt 5 will be as more peripherals/ SSD’s are released that can utilize that external bus speed- that with the base 24MB base RAM and 512GB SSD on the Pro made it worth it to me…
Thanks Alex for doing a comparison of both CPU’s with Film Look Creator. 😊👍 A lot of reviews don’t compare both systems on the color page, to see how much realtime/fps we get in the viewer with effects.
Awesome work Alex! It would have been much more of a complete comparison if you had include the RAM usage (16gb vs 24gb & swap memory) between the two through out the test as memory also influences the speed. Regardless, this and the previous one are the most comprehensive videos on this topic. Thanks a lot Alex!
Very interesting and logically comparison. I too ordered 1399 m4 pro base version then cancelled back to the 599 base M4. To me the day to day activities inclusive of light 4k hevc editiing is sufficient on m4 where the m4 pro doesnt quite warrants its price difference for its performance difference. Then if it reaally come down to heavy lifting stuff then im back to my PC with dedicate GPU. Excellent video showcase what M4 can do and the target audience which is at least 90% of us who's watching🎉🎉
Absolutely incredible review...the best I have seen so far. As a content creator trying to decide which to pick (I´m still on Mac Mini M1 16gB) I think any of them would be a great jump once seen your comparison :)
Excellent video as ever Alex, thanks. My only comment on something that was said about the M4 Mini Pro: "You are getting more unified memory and more storage". Which is of course true. But. You _also_ get twice the number of GPU cores with the Pro (16 vs 8). Two more CPU cores (10 vs 8) and way faster memory (200Gb/s vs 64Gb/s). So yes, more memory and storage but also quite a bit of other extra stuff as well. Which could be useful outside of Resolve for other tasks.. Sending emails faster, thank kind of thing. ;-)
I'm a little bit disappointed. I did all these tests on my Mac Pro 2009 with AMD RX6800 and external SSD. Results: 1-Magic mask tracking reched 12 fps, Playback - 25fps; 2- in all denoise options there were 25 fps; 3-2x-enhanced superscale 25fps, but dropped frame, all the others - 25 fps (4x not so smooth); 4-Film Look with grain and halation - 25 fps without any problem. (Dehancer also). So, it turns out that I won't get much of a boost from switching even to the m4pro. In addition, with such a switch, I also need to think about output to a reference monitor (currently output is via a blackmagic card). Not the most interesting replacement, unfortunately. I almost decided to buy it, but now I'm not sure. Most likely, I'll replace my m1 mac mini with an m4, and the old MacPro will remain for color grading. Thanks for opening my eyes :)
That's the power of a proper GPU. In the CPU heavy Benchmarks, the M4 will be way ahead but it's always going to struggle against pure GPU horsepower in GPU heavy tasks
@@MrAlexTech I understand everything. It's just that when you decide to make a big update for $2,000 (and $2,000 in Latvia and the US is a big difference), you want to see real growth in work, and not just "it's so small!" :) In general, I never cease to be amazed by old Mac Pro
Thank you, Alex, for two excellent reviews of the Mac Mini. Outstanding delivery! Very informative and without unnecessary fluff. Truly professional, and for most Mac users, your videos are exactly what they need! Bravo, Alex!
Both have 16 core neural engines. I wonder if upping the pro from 16 gpu to 20 gpu… if this helps editing and playback before export??? My concern is not export time but editing working time.
From a sound professional that mixes dialogue and effects, the M4 seems decent, but I'd likely invest in the M4 Pro to get twice the performance cores. My rig is fine right now, but these M4 machines look like an easy thing to manage. Get some nice external SSDs to work off of and you're off to the races. Who knows though. The RTX 5090 is around the corner and that stuff seems poised to up the overall power level of PCs yet again, nevermind the 9800X3D CPUs. For simple video editing and titling this little thing is a steal. I'd even use this happily as a sound editing rig, and small project mixing rig.
Indeed, when it comes to audio and music work, the focus really isn't on export times as it seems to be for most of the video workflow tests I've seen on RUclips. Far more important is how much the machine can run in realtime, in terms of tracks and processing, along with having enough RAM to cover the work you do without ever pushing things into swap memory territory. So the M4 Pro is likely the better choice for people doing heavier pro audio/music work for sure.
This was very helpful, thanks. I was planning to get the M4 Pro with the 14-core CPU, 20-core GPU upgrade because I will be using magic masks a lot. You mentioned the Neural Engine does a lot of the AI type workload, do you think the addition 2 CPU cores and 4 GPU cores are worth the $200 with no increase in Neural Engine cores?
Just found a Casey Ferris video on how to build the best possible system. Our lovely Mr.Alex have done a similarly useful video with the 4080. Gotta say it, guys, the Resolve community rocks! To say that their channels alone can build an entire career either editing, coloring, or even sound design would be an understatement! These guys are very freaking helpful and we need to appreciate them a lot more, this is by far the most helpful, most capable, most professional group of teachers I have seen, from tutorials, general discussions, or free plug-ins, I feel privlaged to enjoy their work and learn with them, the amount of good editors who can do amazing job by watching their channels combined is mind blowing
To be honest a lot of video editors already on M1 Pro and M1 Max systems or newer also feel they are not really held back in terms of HD or 4K video editing performance. 4k video editing on all Apple Silicon chips is pretty darn easy. It really does all come down to effects processing. That’s kind of true of any beefier system. 4K video just doesn’t require the resources that it once did. Any faster system of the Mac or PC side is really just about effects and complex processing. The kind of stuff we have to wait for. I recall when the M1 Mac Mini came out there were similar suggestions of just use the playback at half or quarter quality. It’s solid advice unless one absolutely needs a full quality 4k output to see every pixel. The only time the final look may be a bit of a surprise is noise reduction and sharpened/blur type processing where it’s best to actually see all the pixels to see how it will be impacted.
@@digitaldevigner4080 yeah agreed it's finding the balance. With my actual workflows etc, I don't care about noise so almost never use noise reduction. Never use super scale or speed warp either. The only thing that would affect me is the less than real time Film Look Creator but disabled the grain within that fixes it so.
Thank you for a solid comparison. I'm debating between the M4 16GB or 24GB RAM option but I'm struggling to find comparisons between these two models. I've seen some concerns on the 16GB for when apple AI is being used alongside davinci resolve being open. What are your opinions?
More memory is never a downside. More is always better so if you can upgrade, then go for it. But the 16 isn't 'bad'. I can't say I've tested Intelligence alongside resolve though
I actually ordered the Mac Mini M4 Pro with the upgraded cpu and gpu (I really wanted the extra GPU), 48 gb ram, 512gb storage and 10gig Ethernet. It’s back ordered until middle of December though. But, very excited to work on it. It’s replacing a 2019 Intel iMac that’s maxed out and has 128 gbs of ram. Handbrake and davinci slow it down way too much.
Performance is not just about "waiting less" it's also about being able to match soundFX and animations perfectly. Because you can't do that sometimes with a stuttery playback.
That's why I showed both timeline performance and render performance. Animations and 'editing'/sound design should be done before adding the heavy GPU features (or disable those while doing frame critical edits).
I almost got sucked into the apple hype until you made that very brief comment about a PC with a beefy graphic card. I think I shall stick with my 5 year old PC and 3090 card. However I will upgrade the CPU. On Monday, my mate took ownership of the M4 Pro 14 cores 48gb of unified ram and 1tb storage. That’s a lot of money spent for a few minutes difference in render times. Or have I read those tables wrong? Very interesting review. Personally I’d love to have seen some head to head tests with your PC. I’ve only seen one review where a Threadripper went up against the M4 Pro chip. Not a fair fight, but it did cut through all the marketing.
Hey hey Frank! Yeahh you're likely better off with your pc as mentioned. It's an 'all things considered' situation, big pc will be faster, but also bigger, louder, hotter and more expensive etc. As you already have a good pc, keep that! But for those that don't, these are a good option and very weirdly for Apple, offer a lot for the money. The macs don't have a GPU (only integrated) and for that they are impressive, but cant compete with a full fat GPU. Again, cost. Threadripper build realistically is what, 3 to 4 grand?! I do genuinely think you'd be stretched to build a faster pc for 599! But once you spec the mini up to £1200-£1500, then it starts to become more blurred. I did run some benchmarks on my 4080 pc (with Ryzen 9 5950x) as well but after mulling it over, i didn't include them. I'm not trying to advocate these as pc replacements and I didn't want this video to be a big pc Vs mac argument. But for you... 19.1 render - 11m 55s (slower than M4 Pro) Fusion Spaceship - 29m 32 (slower than M4 Pro) Halation Timeline - 8m 13s (faster than M4 Pro) (But even thats complicated as my screen caps are Prores, which isn't hardware accelerated by Nvidia but is on the Mac) Again, the M4 as a CPU is impressive and in cpu heavy tasks, the M4 Pro beats my PC. But in GPU heavy tasks, the 4080 walks it. But again, expected considering size, price and power. The whole Mac Mini is 140w, my 4080 alone is 320w 😄
@@MrAlexTech Apple has just killed Intel, AMD and Nvidia in one fell swoop. And I'm trying to justify my PC build for a "one trick pony" task of video rendering. We are witnessing a seismic shift from x86 architecture to ARM systems on a chip. Microsoft must be quaking in their boots right about now. From what you just said, maybe you were right not to make this episode a PC vs Apple contest. its far more nuanced than that. Davinci Resolve saw the writing on the wall. The next big hitters to embrace this brave new world will be games developers.
Great video again! Do you think it would have made much difference in "smoothness" for the M4 if your footage only was 1080p? I edit mostly 1080p footage these days and upscale later. Also, would have loved to see you also include "Better" for Magic Mask, along with tests of Depth map and Relight
The M4 Mac Mini is outperforming my Xeon 6-Core machine with 32GB Ram, NVMe drives and the NVIDIA Quadro RTX4000 with 8GB RAM. It feels like I’m on Windows 3.1 when I compare the experience! 😅
@@riccardofp ha there's not many of them! I need to make another. But you can find them in my other channel which is youtube.com/@mralexlife?si=-0FcInHLW9XawgV9
I feel the need to add tothis conversation as many youtubers have only 2 tracks with very light grades or only some luts applied. This is not real test of timeline performance, as many of us who work in music video sphere, not just linear narrative or tvc/commercial world have usually like 20-50 full and parted playback tracks + narrative and b roll stacked timelines... We are chopping that thing between 80-140 times per song, and playback it. Usually with that many stacked and precut tracks (mixed combo of cuts on beat, off beat, lyrics) it cant be played back smoothly when zoomed out on full timeline mid sized zoom, but it works well or greatly improves fps when zoomed all into the timeline. ad to that a usually heavy grade, nr, sharpening/blur, masks, stabilization and what not and then use that as a reference, not 2 tracks. Sorry im sounding a bit like preaching, but we cant use this kind of tests as a reference.
Absolutely, I actually agree to an extent. Simply cutting things up on the timeline, and this thing will be fine. If it it's plenty of cuts etc. You'd need plenty of memory but it'll be fine. But you probably shouldn't be buying a Mac Mini for such workloads. If you're having 50 plus tracks with sharpening and masks etc, you should really be looking at waaay higher end systems. I don't think the mini is aimed at that level, that's why I made this video using the cheapest versions of each and tried to use examples that apply to a large number of your 'average' users
@@MrAlexTech i actually am on the verge of switching from pc to mac, (as i just need something that works) and looking at almost fully stacked mini pro 14/20/48gb+2tbssd, but i think if it was priced actually somewhere between 1500 and 2000 $/euros it would be fine but not this 3k+. For this price i would like somewhere to see some comprehensive test with more workloads, giving it a real payload. By reviews it seems it outperforms even m1 studio max ultra, almost on par with m2 max/ultra. but i haven't seen any tests with kind of stuff i was referring in my previous comment. Mac mini pro sounds amazing but im still not convinced its worth the money. PC is just what i am used to. but i don't really see benefits of owning it (except ram/storage and gpu upgrades) but im not concerned about 3d and gaming performance, as im not a gamer. Sorry for lashing out, i really like your channel, and keep up the good work, and spreading word for Resolve. I started using it 2018 and never looked back to Premiere.
I don't understand why reviewers keep testing this stuff out on short videos. 8 minutes really? This does nothing to stress these machines. Do a 4k 30 min vlog with some heavy magic masking of the subject from the background for the entire video. then tell us how great any apple silicon is. hint. it's fuggin awful. 9-12 fps tracking really. that would take your whole life to track. Apple silicon can't compete with a dedicated graphics card in a windows machine.
Basically what I said if you actually watched the video 😄 Also who (and why?!) would anyone be using magic masking throughout an entire 30 minutes vlog? It would be a pointless test.
excellent video .❤❤ . which 27 inch monitor would you recommend to work with this software and the mini ( preferably not an Apple monitor as they are too expensive) much appreciated .
14600K based hackintosh should be between basic and Pro. Its geekbench scores are around 2806 Single-Core Score, 15958 Multi-Core Score. Less in single more in multi than M4.
Hi, Thank you very much for sharing your video. I have an i9 12900k, with 128gb of ddr5 memory, but my video card is a titan X (very old). I did the tests with the files you made available, and believe me, the m4 base performed better than my PC in almost all tests, at most, my PC was equal to the m4 base. In the magic mask test, for example, the tracking on my PC reached 4 fps, while on the m4 base, it reached 9 fps. Anyway, thank you for sharing your knowledge in such a valuable video. Hugs from Brazil
I have Intel i7 13700k with Arc 770 16 GB and 128 GB ram and it is few times better than this hyped gadget , even I'm not mentioning After Effects. The playback of this m4 and pro version is trash .
@@makotofilmesIf you have an integrated graphics on your cpu adding the arc won't help much as you already have hw de encoding. You do get hw encoding on the arc for some codecs, but the 4080 and 4090 also have encoding so it may not help
An excellent analysis. I suppose the other thing to consider is the potential development/evolution of Resolve over the potential lifetime of an M4 & M4 Pro Mini. If you consider that Resolve 17 was announced in November 2020* so over a 4 year period we’ve had 4 major releases in use (im including 16 as many folks would have continued to use it until 17 was stable around summer 2021). How many machines which were in use for R16 are still suitable for R19s advanced features? If I’m using a machine I can install a bigger, or additional, GPU in then there’s a good possibility its lifetime can be extended. As a non-professional user I tend to work on a useable life of 5 or 6 years for a particular technology revision - that wasn’t the case when I bought my first PC in 1984 which cost me over 2k and had a half-life of less than 12 months! For that reason, unless I had a simple solution to reallocate an entry-level machine I think I’ll go for a higher spec Pro. * as we had a global pandemic during these years it’s reasonable to assume that the development of Resolve ran at a slower pace than normal.
Thanks for al the detail. You’ve confirmed my decision to get the Pro. Not so much for DVR, but because I’ll be using it for Octane (a GPU heavy rendering programme). Also, I had no idea there was a standalone Fusion. How does one get that?
Really cool and interesting tests! I think I will stay with my current 4 year old PC (i7-10700 + RTX 3070) because it is far better! For instance, with the PC no delay at all also at 30 fps in Super scale and Film look creator. I have also these other results: Magic mask 32 fps (M4 Pro 13 fps) Speed warp fast 10.6 fps (M4 Pro 2.5 fps) Speed warp better 4.5 fps (M4 Pro 2-3 fps) Of course, like you sad, this is a Mac Mini, really little and portable machine, my PC is of course a way bigger :D
Interestingly... Nope! The issue is with the GPU power, using proxies makes very little difference. The bottleneck is the GPU, not the macs ability to read and process the footage itself. So using proxies doesn't affect it much. Lowering the preview resolution has a more significant impact.
Great video, not many decent comparison videos for Macs on DaVinci, certainly not non-hyperbolic ones!! One small thing, I assume your MacBook Pro is actually the M3 "Pro" MacBook Pro, not the M3 MacBook Pro?!
@MrAlexTech I wholeheartedly agree!!! For a company that spends soooooo much effort on looks/appearance down to the folds on the boxes, their inability to come up with decent product names is comical :-)
For someone just getting in to video editing, a mac mini is something Im seriously considering. Based on price alone, its a PC build is 50-60% more expensive for me in my country and thats with a 7800xt gpu, i13600k cpu and 32gb ram.
Tricky! Are you a current Pc or Mac user? Or are you happy to go either? That PC build will likely be more powerful, especially on the GPU front. The M4 is faster in single core, but the Intel is faster in multicore. It's a hard choice. Quick note though... Apple return policy is excellent. 14 days, no questions asked! So you could always try one, and return it if it doesn't fit your needs.
@MrAlexTech I've been a PC user for 20 years and I'd normally just go for a PC, but prices have skyrocketed due to weak exchange rates that I'm considering mac ( not a fan of the o/s tho!). I didn't know about the 14 days policy, thanks!
Nice. I find resolve is doggy with my M1 Studio and 60-minute video clips. Any thoughts on how these long clips (an entire meetup session) will perform on this M4 Mac Mini?
Thanks for the video, very useful! As a video editor, for me the most important thingmis the time line fluency. If I want to expand the m4 pro, from the base model, and I just can afford only one move, which one is more important: chip processor to cpu12 and gpu 20 or 48 gb ram? Or 1tb ssd?
The best comparison I have seen is that I have been waiting a lot for it, but I have an important question, what should I do to get the best possible performance, like on the GPU timeline, for example, do I just do the Arabian cheat code of infinite money and grap a 4090, or what should I do
So, as far as running FCP or DaVinci during the actual editing of content, 1080, 2K, or 4K, the base M4 Mini would be zippy? Even with a full feature length film? I'm not concerned with the export render time as much as I want good performance while I'm editing.
Cool test, but it's a shame that they always compare MAC to MAC and not to the base unit you're working on under Windows. That would give a real picture of how fast Mini Minipro is. Maybe a little update to this cool material?
Yeaah I know but my pc is much higher spec and way more expensive so it didn't feel like a fair, or realistic comparison. I might have to try building a pc for the same price and see how it goes 😄
@@MrAlexTech Hey Alex I just watched a video on the @Team2Films channel there are downloads for everyone on all platforms to test. Maybe next time you can create your own files to share. PS. They rated your video very well. As did I.
Great content Alex! I have a question, I am from India, from here the price is showing in Indian Money equivalent $272 (after 20% discount). When am choosing USA, it is showing $235.00. Can I buy it from USA region?
I assume this is davinci. You will need a us credit card likely to buy in usa and depending on the address you give you may need to pay 8 to 10 percent sales tax. Oregon and new Hampshire have o% sales tax
I'm having an Issue and can't find what am I doing wrong, I'm trying to export and audio directly from Fairlight available option, But the exported audio is completly clean, without the effects, and in order to get the audio with the effects I have to do it over the export/render tab. My question is what am I doing wrong, since if im not mistaken i used to be able to download the audio with the effect directly from Fairlight available Export audio Option.
How much does it affect the overall productivity? Beginning from concept phase, shooting, cutting, rendering, exporting. Of course probably the exporting takes probably half the time but how much makes in terms of the whole process 10%, 5%, 1%, None, the real question can you turn the saved time into additional benefit beside satisfaction. We don't talk about the fact of having a snappier system makes the workflow more fluently and more satisfying, but the gain of beeing more productive is to say it polite "very manageable"
There's no way for me to answer that unfortunately because every single person is different, every project is different and every one is coming from a different system.
Apple will resolve GPU, 3D and overall rendering performance in the next iteration of the Mac Studio. The fact that this crop of Minis can take on Pro-level tasks at those price points is astounding. IMO, full-on Mac Pro towers will finally be put to rest. PC Modular computing will, of course, still be a "thing" but it will become more and more of a niche and hobby interest as hardware makers migrate away from legacy x86 architecture. For the ultimate Pro power users perhaps we will see a revival of eGPUs and other flavors of specialty "cards" running from an even faster variant of Thunderbolt 5 (6...7....?)....one quick connection....case stacking not "cracking". Anyway, the current Windows/PC Industrial Complex is looking at the success and benefits of Apple Silicon SoCs and hope to profit from it....
Real-life application: What if you're running Davinici while having Photoshop and After Effects open simultaneously? Do you think that would hinder any performance with the M4 base?
I keep obsessing over the fact that you can get two M4 Mini's for the same money as one M4 Pro Mini so long as you stick to baseline specs. Two M4's gets you a lot more of every resource in aggregate. How would a single Pro perform versus two M4 in a render farm?
Great comparison, thx 🔥👍 - but in truth .. we should not see 599$ - the "real" price is 999$ - the M4 Pro has 24GB RAM & 512GB SSD - so the difference is "only" 400$ bucks for the additional cores - and 400$ are the minimum additional monthly costs if you have a girlfriend 😭😆
Thank you for this video.I was wondering how M4 PRO deals with speed warp .You said in this vidio that your PC works just fine with heavy duties tasks. Can you put the specs in the comment sect. or make a video about it ?
Ooh just realised something. That video was from before they updated some of the stuff in Resolve so performance isn't accurate. Older video makes it look worse than it currently is (like speed warp etc). Maybe I should update that video 😄
@@MrAlexTech well, I`ll be the first to watch it and give a big 👍. I'm considering upgrading from my M1 to the I7 14700K and RTX 4060, and this video helped me a lot
An absolutely BRILLIANT comparison (that Apple are probably not going to enjoy watching). No doubt the M4 Mini is an impressive little machine but I'll definitely just stick with my M1 Max! Thanks so much for doing this!
I wish you would test the difference between the RTX 4980 and 4090 laptop GPUs considering there's about 1000 dollars difference between the price of the two laptops regardless of the brand :)
I don't have any laptops with those in unfortunately, and that'd cost me a few grand to buy ha! I could try getting hold of some, so I'll see what I can do. If I was guessing though... the 4080 will be plenty! They have the same video decoding ability, and the same encoding ability. Difference will be if you're using really heavy GPU effects like Noise Reduction etc.
Wow. Laughs in i7-11700K with vanilla RTX3060. Makes me feel really happy with my 3 year-old mid-range windows setup. I thought the M4 Pro, even though a mini, would wipe my setup - my WinTel didn't skip a frame in the five I tried - Magic Masks, DeNoise, Film Look, SuperScale and Speed Warp.
built your timelines and all run full 25 fps in windows i9-14900k amd 6900 xt se fine , So will not be buying a mac m series anytime soon. Thanks for the great video.
M4 looks very viable compared to buying PC system, take in the price of the CPU and (massively overpriced) GPU and apple, surprisingly, looks to be good value. As long as you don't think gaming is important. I hope this AI bubble bursts and NVIDEA falls on its ass big time. What a shovel seller that company turned out to be. (edit:typo)
@@akyhne Sure. Apple's upgrades are particularly badly priced. But we can all compare value. In terms of monitor, I wouldn't buy apple. All these companies want to rip you off, but NVIDEA is particularly bad. And good on them if I owned shares. But screw them as a consumer.
Couple of quick points!
- All media files for all projects were run from an external Nvme SSD (I've put link in description!). It's basically essential with 256gb internal!
- Both are the cheapest versions so M4 is 16Gb, M4 Pro is 24Gb memory. I chose to test 'cheapest Vs cheapest' rather than like for like. In the projects I demonstrated, I don't think the memory will make a huge difference. I checked the usage and only occasionally saw a swap file but didn't log it. 16gb is fine, 24 is better. More is always better with memory but 16 isn't bad.
- I'm not advocating you swap your Pc for a Mac Mini! Different strokes for different folks. I just wanted to demo how these perform. You do your research, and pick what works best for you 🙂
Yes, some of this should have been in the video 🤣 but you know, RUclips good I am!
This is the best comparison of the base and pro for DaVinci Resolve I have seen so far. Thanks so much for not just showing render spends, and actually focussing on timeline performance as well as magic mask etc.
Hey you're most welcome! Thanks for watching.
Even the render speeds for 10-minute 4k videos or shorter are fast. 2 minutes or less won't change anyone's life unless you work at a high-pressure news organization pumping videos out like a maniac.
I bought the Mac Mini M4 Pro and it took 11 hours to render 1hr 45 min video with sharpening, tracking and deflicker. My 2020 Macbook Pro was going to take 3 and 1/2 days to render the same project, but the 2020 MBPro crashed after 8 hours of rendering, just could not handle it. So the M4 Pro is definatelty worth it for big jobs where you need lots of Fusion effect and staiblisation. I love it. Buy the Pro, Cheers.
is your rendered video 4K?
@@IngriqiDin Yes, 4k render. And I had 4K source, 6k Full Frame source cropped, repositioned and stablised with 2 tracking points. The Deflicker was the main reason for slowing things down. The Deflicker completely removed any fluorescent light flickering on the walls. Amazing result.
@ such a clear answer, thank you.
just picked up DaVinci Studio at 20% off during black friday. Looking forward to future content from your chan!
Ohh excellent choice Brian! It's the first time I've ever seen the Studio version be on sale!
can tell exactly how much usd you have paid
Lad, you are up to 200k plus subscribers! Bloody hell eh, remember the single figure old days. Top work lad, top work.
Ha thanks man! You one of the OG subs 😄 It's taken a few years but we're going strong.
If people want better playback, just render ProRes proxies at half resolution. They are created quite quickly on Apple hardware and will allow you to play any effect in realtime.
Even the Ghost living with you got impressed with your dedicated comparison video Sir. Kudos
Glad you managed to render the Spaceship project I mentioned :) I've always tried to render it in Resolve and always gave up!
@@TechRealityGlasgow ha I did! Thanks man
M4 is a great deal unless you need to upgrade.
Every single upgrade is way more expensive for the base model, making the pro model better if you need to upgrade RAM and SSD, giving you better CPU and GPU as well for almost the same price basically.
Yeaaah that's how Apple get you the clever swines ha! If you've upgraded the memory and Storage, you're only a few hundred off the Pro so, you might as well.
I have a Mac Pro 4.1 from 2009 with an RX 5700xt, and amazingly, it pulls in sometimes double the performance of the M4 Pro. These old machines still rock!
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Hi Alex. Thank you so much for the great content you provide to people which I learned a lot from it! Nice meeting you this morning 🙏👍
Hey! Good meeting you too dude 🙂🙌
Great comparison. The one thing I would add is that you really do need 512GB of SSD which makes the realistic M4 model cost $799. And to really compare apples to apples you would need to bump up the memory to 24GBs so $999. The other M4 Pro advantages besides more cores, more GPUs and faster processing include way faster unified memory (up to 273 GB/s vs 120) and Thunderbolt 5 vs TB4. So the base model will do the job but the Pro is probably a lot better for video editing.
Costco has the M4/24GB/512GB for $849, quite a bit less than $999.
I think people don’t appreciate how incredible having Thunderbolt 5 will be as more peripherals/ SSD’s are released that can utilize that external bus speed- that with the base 24MB base RAM and 512GB SSD on the Pro made it worth it to me…
Why 512 of storage? Why can’t 256 be sufficient?
Why do you need TB 5?
Thanks Alex for doing a comparison of both CPU’s with Film Look Creator. 😊👍
A lot of reviews don’t compare both systems on the color page, to see how much realtime/fps we get in the viewer with effects.
Awesome work Alex! It would have been much more of a complete comparison if you had include the RAM usage (16gb vs 24gb & swap memory) between the two through out the test as memory also influences the speed. Regardless, this and the previous one are the most comprehensive videos on this topic. Thanks a lot Alex!
Very interesting and logically comparison. I too ordered 1399 m4 pro base version then cancelled back to the 599 base M4. To me the day to day activities inclusive of light 4k hevc editiing is sufficient on m4 where the m4 pro doesnt quite warrants its price difference for its performance difference. Then if it reaally come down to heavy lifting stuff then im back to my PC with dedicate GPU. Excellent video showcase what M4 can do and the target audience which is at least 90% of us who's watching🎉🎉
5:05 you didn't miss a beat. 🤣Thanks for the laugh Alex.
Absolutely incredible review...the best I have seen so far. As a content creator trying to decide which to pick (I´m still on Mac Mini M1 16gB) I think any of them would be a great jump once seen your comparison :)
Heyyy! Thanks man. Ohh yeah it'll be a decent step up from the M1 :)
This has been the most useful one of these I watched. Thanks.
🤦♀️ My i3 with integrated graphics can handle 4k HDR. What are you all arguing about❓
* base MacBook Pro Retina 2017 late
a very good review and comparison, especially with the FilmLook creator enabled.
TY!!
Excellent video as ever Alex, thanks. My only comment on something that was said about the M4 Mini Pro: "You are getting more unified memory and more storage". Which is of course true. But. You _also_ get twice the number of GPU cores with the Pro (16 vs 8). Two more CPU cores (10 vs 8) and way faster memory (200Gb/s vs 64Gb/s). So yes, more memory and storage but also quite a bit of other extra stuff as well. Which could be useful outside of Resolve for other tasks.. Sending emails faster, thank kind of thing. ;-)
I'm a little bit disappointed. I did all these tests on my Mac Pro 2009 with AMD RX6800 and external SSD. Results: 1-Magic mask tracking reched 12 fps, Playback - 25fps; 2- in all denoise options there were 25 fps; 3-2x-enhanced superscale 25fps, but dropped frame, all the others - 25 fps (4x not so smooth); 4-Film Look with grain and halation - 25 fps without any problem. (Dehancer also). So, it turns out that I won't get much of a boost from switching even to the m4pro. In addition, with such a switch, I also need to think about output to a reference monitor (currently output is via a blackmagic card). Not the most interesting replacement, unfortunately. I almost decided to buy it, but now I'm not sure. Most likely, I'll replace my m1 mac mini with an m4, and the old MacPro will remain for color grading. Thanks for opening my eyes :)
That's the power of a proper GPU. In the CPU heavy Benchmarks, the M4 will be way ahead but it's always going to struggle against pure GPU horsepower in GPU heavy tasks
@@MrAlexTech I understand everything. It's just that when you decide to make a big update for $2,000 (and $2,000 in Latvia and the US is a big difference), you want to see real growth in work, and not just "it's so small!" :) In general, I never cease to be amazed by old Mac Pro
Best comparison yet!
I picked up a 1TB Nvme drive and enclosure for $99 and added it for extra storage. Will probably do the same for my M4 Mini Pro.
Yeaaahh same! External NVME is the solution for the disappointingly small internal SSD>
Thank you, Alex, for two excellent reviews of the Mac Mini. Outstanding delivery! Very informative and without unnecessary fluff. Truly professional, and for most Mac users, your videos are exactly what they need! Bravo, Alex!
Heyy! Thank you. I'm glad these videos have been useful. It's been fun, and a nice change from my usual 😄 Plus I'm slowly coming around to MacOs!
Thanks Alex!
No problem! Sorry it's a little bit later than planned 😄
Both have 16 core neural engines. I wonder if upping the pro from 16 gpu to 20 gpu… if this helps editing and playback before export??? My concern is not export time but editing working time.
I love the base model. I purchased one for my daughter. I will get two more Mac Mini M4 base models for my other two daughters.
From a sound professional that mixes dialogue and effects, the M4 seems decent, but I'd likely invest in the M4 Pro to get twice the performance cores. My rig is fine right now, but these M4 machines look like an easy thing to manage. Get some nice external SSDs to work off of and you're off to the races. Who knows though. The RTX 5090 is around the corner and that stuff seems poised to up the overall power level of PCs yet again, nevermind the 9800X3D CPUs.
For simple video editing and titling this little thing is a steal. I'd even use this happily as a sound editing rig, and small project mixing rig.
Indeed, when it comes to audio and music work, the focus really isn't on export times as it seems to be for most of the video workflow tests I've seen on RUclips. Far more important is how much the machine can run in realtime, in terms of tracks and processing, along with having enough RAM to cover the work you do without ever pushing things into swap memory territory. So the M4 Pro is likely the better choice for people doing heavier pro audio/music work for sure.
This was very helpful, thanks. I was planning to get the M4 Pro with the 14-core CPU, 20-core GPU upgrade because I will be using magic masks a lot. You mentioned the Neural Engine does a lot of the AI type workload, do you think the addition 2 CPU cores and 4 GPU cores are worth the $200 with no increase in Neural Engine cores?
Thank You for Your effort and very informative video (as always) - You help us a lot in a decision making process :) !
Just found a Casey Ferris video on how to build the best possible system. Our lovely Mr.Alex have done a similarly useful video with the 4080. Gotta say it, guys, the Resolve community rocks! To say that their channels alone can build an entire career either editing, coloring, or even sound design would be an understatement! These guys are very freaking helpful and we need to appreciate them a lot more, this is by far the most helpful, most capable, most professional group of teachers I have seen, from tutorials, general discussions, or free plug-ins, I feel privlaged to enjoy their work and learn with them, the amount of good editors who can do amazing job by watching their channels combined is mind blowing
great video ! Will you be testing m4 pro 14 cpu and 20gpu for same DaVinci tests ???
Ah! I forgot that one was coming ha. Maybe! I have to buy these myself and my channel is big enough to get massive adsense 😄
To be honest a lot of video editors already on M1 Pro and M1 Max systems or newer also feel they are not really held back in terms of HD or 4K video editing performance. 4k video editing on all Apple Silicon chips is pretty darn easy. It really does all come down to effects processing. That’s kind of true of any beefier system. 4K video just doesn’t require the resources that it once did. Any faster system of the Mac or PC side is really just about effects and complex processing.
The kind of stuff we have to wait for.
I recall when the M1 Mac Mini came out there were similar suggestions of just use the playback at half or quarter quality. It’s solid advice unless one absolutely needs a full quality 4k output to see every pixel. The only time the final look may be a bit of a surprise is noise reduction and sharpened/blur type processing where it’s best to actually see all the pixels to see how it will be impacted.
@@digitaldevigner4080 yeah agreed it's finding the balance. With my actual workflows etc, I don't care about noise so almost never use noise reduction. Never use super scale or speed warp either. The only thing that would affect me is the less than real time Film Look Creator but disabled the grain within that fixes it so.
Thank you for a solid comparison. I'm debating between the M4 16GB or 24GB RAM option but I'm struggling to find comparisons between these two models. I've seen some concerns on the 16GB for when apple AI is being used alongside davinci resolve being open. What are your opinions?
More memory is never a downside. More is always better so if you can upgrade, then go for it. But the 16 isn't 'bad'. I can't say I've tested Intelligence alongside resolve though
@MrAlexTech very true, if I can I'll get the 24GB option, thanks again
I actually ordered the Mac Mini M4 Pro with the upgraded cpu and gpu (I really wanted the extra GPU), 48 gb ram, 512gb storage and 10gig Ethernet. It’s back ordered until middle of December though. But, very excited to work on it. It’s replacing a 2019 Intel iMac that’s maxed out and has 128 gbs of ram. Handbrake and davinci slow it down way too much.
Performance is not just about "waiting less" it's also about being able to match soundFX and animations perfectly. Because you can't do that sometimes with a stuttery playback.
That's why I showed both timeline performance and render performance. Animations and 'editing'/sound design should be done before adding the heavy GPU features (or disable those while doing frame critical edits).
Your video and review is very valuable. Thanks so much 😊
I almost got sucked into the apple hype until you made that very brief comment about a PC with a beefy graphic card. I think I shall stick with my 5 year old PC and 3090 card. However I will upgrade the CPU.
On Monday, my mate took ownership of the M4 Pro 14 cores 48gb of unified ram and 1tb storage. That’s a lot of money spent for a few minutes difference in render times. Or have I read those tables wrong?
Very interesting review. Personally I’d love to have seen some head to head tests with your PC. I’ve only seen one review where a Threadripper went up against the M4 Pro chip. Not a fair fight, but it did cut through all the marketing.
Hey hey Frank! Yeahh you're likely better off with your pc as mentioned. It's an 'all things considered' situation, big pc will be faster, but also bigger, louder, hotter and more expensive etc. As you already have a good pc, keep that! But for those that don't, these are a good option and very weirdly for Apple, offer a lot for the money. The macs don't have a GPU (only integrated) and for that they are impressive, but cant compete with a full fat GPU.
Again, cost. Threadripper build realistically is what, 3 to 4 grand?! I do genuinely think you'd be stretched to build a faster pc for 599! But once you spec the mini up to £1200-£1500, then it starts to become more blurred.
I did run some benchmarks on my 4080 pc (with Ryzen 9 5950x) as well but after mulling it over, i didn't include them. I'm not trying to advocate these as pc replacements and I didn't want this video to be a big pc Vs mac argument. But for you...
19.1 render - 11m 55s (slower than M4 Pro)
Fusion Spaceship - 29m 32 (slower than M4 Pro)
Halation Timeline - 8m 13s (faster than M4 Pro)
(But even thats complicated as my screen caps are Prores, which isn't hardware accelerated by Nvidia but is on the Mac)
Again, the M4 as a CPU is impressive and in cpu heavy tasks, the M4 Pro beats my PC. But in GPU heavy tasks, the 4080 walks it. But again, expected considering size, price and power. The whole Mac Mini is 140w, my 4080 alone is 320w 😄
@@MrAlexTechwhat ya pc specs?
@@MrAlexTech Do you think it is better to buy this and a portable screen than a laptop for editing if you feel like traveling?
@@MrAlexTech Apple has just killed Intel, AMD and Nvidia in one fell swoop. And I'm trying to justify my PC build for a "one trick pony" task of video rendering.
We are witnessing a seismic shift from x86 architecture to ARM systems on a chip. Microsoft must be quaking in their boots right about now.
From what you just said, maybe you were right not to make this episode a PC vs Apple contest. its far more nuanced than that. Davinci Resolve saw the writing on the wall. The next big hitters to embrace this brave new world will be games developers.
Can we get a benchmark of that salad?
Nice job. That's how it's done.
What about RAM usage with DaVinci Resolve Studio? Does it make sense to buy the largest RAM configuration possible?
Essentially yes. More memory is always better. That's not to say 16gb or 24gb won't be fine for alot of people, but more is always better
Great video again! Do you think it would have made much difference in "smoothness" for the M4 if your footage only was 1080p? I edit mostly 1080p footage these days and upscale later. Also, would have loved to see you also include "Better" for Magic Mask, along with tests of Depth map and Relight
The M4 Mac Mini is outperforming my Xeon 6-Core machine with 32GB Ram, NVMe drives and the NVIDIA Quadro RTX4000 with 8GB RAM. It feels like I’m on Windows 3.1 when I compare the experience! 😅
Only thing xeon has with quadro is the double floating point and ecc ram never been speed hardware.
Which ssd and is fast as m4 pro 512?
The most important question here is: where are Alex's vlogs??
@@riccardofp ha there's not many of them! I need to make another. But you can find them in my other channel which is
youtube.com/@mralexlife?si=-0FcInHLW9XawgV9
I feel the need to add tothis conversation as many youtubers have only 2 tracks with very light grades or only some luts applied. This is not real test of timeline performance, as many of us who work in music video sphere, not just linear narrative or tvc/commercial world have usually like 20-50 full and parted playback tracks + narrative and b roll stacked timelines... We are chopping that thing between 80-140 times per song, and playback it.
Usually with that many stacked and precut tracks (mixed combo of cuts on beat, off beat, lyrics) it cant be played back smoothly when zoomed out on full timeline mid sized zoom, but it works well or greatly improves fps when zoomed all into the timeline.
ad to that a usually heavy grade, nr, sharpening/blur, masks, stabilization and what not and then use that as a reference, not 2 tracks.
Sorry im sounding a bit like preaching, but we cant use this kind of tests as a reference.
Absolutely, I actually agree to an extent. Simply cutting things up on the timeline, and this thing will be fine. If it it's plenty of cuts etc. You'd need plenty of memory but it'll be fine. But you probably shouldn't be buying a Mac Mini for such workloads. If you're having 50 plus tracks with sharpening and masks etc, you should really be looking at waaay higher end systems. I don't think the mini is aimed at that level, that's why I made this video using the cheapest versions of each and tried to use examples that apply to a large number of your 'average' users
@@MrAlexTech i actually am on the verge of switching from pc to mac, (as i just need something that works) and looking at almost fully stacked mini pro 14/20/48gb+2tbssd, but i think if it was priced actually somewhere between 1500 and 2000 $/euros it would be fine but not this 3k+. For this price i would like somewhere to see some comprehensive test with more workloads, giving it a real payload. By reviews it seems it outperforms even m1 studio max ultra, almost on par with m2 max/ultra. but i haven't seen any tests with kind of stuff i was referring in my previous comment.
Mac mini pro sounds amazing but im still not convinced its worth the money.
PC is just what i am used to. but i don't really see benefits of owning it (except ram/storage and gpu upgrades) but im not concerned about 3d and gaming performance, as im not a gamer.
Sorry for lashing out, i really like your channel, and keep up the good work, and spreading word for Resolve.
I started using it 2018 and never looked back to Premiere.
I don't understand why reviewers keep testing this stuff out on short videos. 8 minutes really? This does nothing to stress these machines. Do a 4k 30 min vlog with some heavy magic masking of the subject from the background for the entire video. then tell us how great any apple silicon is.
hint. it's fuggin awful. 9-12 fps tracking really. that would take your whole life to track. Apple silicon can't compete with a dedicated graphics card in a windows machine.
Basically what I said if you actually watched the video 😄
Also who (and why?!) would anyone be using magic masking throughout an entire 30 minutes vlog? It would be a pointless test.
excellent video .❤❤ . which 27 inch monitor would you recommend to work with this software and the mini ( preferably not an Apple monitor as they are too expensive) much appreciated .
14600K based hackintosh should be between basic and Pro. Its geekbench scores are around 2806 Single-Core Score, 15958 Multi-Core Score. Less in single more in multi than M4.
thanks bro! Good video.
Are those team2 benchmark timelines available anywhere to download? I’ve had a look at their website but it’s more about their courses.
Not yet but I believe they might be in the future.
Hi, Thank you very much for sharing your video.
I have an i9 12900k, with 128gb of ddr5 memory, but my video card is a titan X (very old). I did the tests with the files you made available, and believe me, the m4 base performed better than my PC in almost all tests, at most, my PC was equal to the m4 base. In the magic mask test, for example, the tracking on my PC reached 4 fps, while on the m4 base, it reached 9 fps.
Anyway, thank you for sharing your knowledge in such a valuable video.
Hugs from Brazil
I have Intel i7 13700k with Arc 770 16 GB and 128 GB ram and it is few times better than this hyped gadget , even I'm not mentioning After Effects. The playback of this m4 and pro version is trash .
@ Thanks!! Do you use only Arc? Or some other video card in conjunction? I was thinking about adding an Arc in parallel with my Nvidia
@@makotofilmesIf you have an integrated graphics on your cpu adding the arc won't help much as you already have hw de encoding. You do get hw encoding on the arc for some codecs, but the 4080 and 4090 also have encoding so it may not help
Would love to see the m4 max version of these same tests.
An excellent analysis. I suppose the other thing to consider is the potential development/evolution of Resolve over the potential lifetime of an M4 & M4 Pro Mini. If you consider that Resolve 17 was announced in November 2020* so over a 4 year period we’ve had 4 major releases in use (im including 16 as many folks would have continued to use it until 17 was stable around summer 2021). How many machines which were in use for R16 are still suitable for R19s advanced features? If I’m using a machine I can install a bigger, or additional, GPU in then there’s a good possibility its lifetime can be extended. As a non-professional user I tend to work on a useable life of 5 or 6 years for a particular technology revision - that wasn’t the case when I bought my first PC in 1984 which cost me over 2k and had a half-life of less than 12 months! For that reason, unless I had a simple solution to reallocate an entry-level machine I think I’ll go for a higher spec Pro.
* as we had a global pandemic during these years it’s reasonable to assume that the development of Resolve ran at a slower pace than normal.
Could you pls compare a windows pc at 600$ vs mini m4 base with davinci
Also m1 vs m4 mac mini davincie compare
Thanks for al the detail. You’ve confirmed my decision to get the Pro. Not so much for DVR, but because I’ll be using it for Octane (a GPU heavy rendering programme). Also, I had no idea there was a standalone Fusion. How does one get that?
22:15 It's 'efficient', you were right.
Really cool and interesting tests!
I think I will stay with my current 4 year old PC (i7-10700 + RTX 3070) because it is far better!
For instance, with the PC no delay at all also at 30 fps in Super scale and Film look creator.
I have also these other results:
Magic mask 32 fps (M4 Pro 13 fps)
Speed warp fast 10.6 fps (M4 Pro 2.5 fps)
Speed warp better 4.5 fps (M4 Pro 2-3 fps)
Of course, like you sad, this is a Mac Mini, really little and portable machine, my PC is of course a way bigger :D
oh, just use proxy. All of this won't matter that much. I'm still using M1 mac and it's serving me really well.
Interestingly... Nope! The issue is with the GPU power, using proxies makes very little difference.
The bottleneck is the GPU, not the macs ability to read and process the footage itself. So using proxies doesn't affect it much.
Lowering the preview resolution has a more significant impact.
Great video, not many decent comparison videos for Macs on DaVinci, certainly not non-hyperbolic ones!! One small thing, I assume your MacBook Pro is actually the M3 "Pro" MacBook Pro, not the M3 MacBook Pro?!
Thanks! Yeah it's the M3 Pro MacBook Pro. I'll still argue it's a really dumb naming structure 😄
@MrAlexTech I wholeheartedly agree!!! For a company that spends soooooo much effort on looks/appearance down to the folds on the boxes, their inability to come up with decent product names is comical :-)
For someone just getting in to video editing, a mac mini is something Im seriously considering. Based on price alone, its a PC build is 50-60% more expensive for me in my country and thats with a 7800xt gpu, i13600k cpu and 32gb ram.
Tricky! Are you a current Pc or Mac user? Or are you happy to go either?
That PC build will likely be more powerful, especially on the GPU front. The M4 is faster in single core, but the Intel is faster in multicore.
It's a hard choice.
Quick note though... Apple return policy is excellent. 14 days, no questions asked! So you could always try one, and return it if it doesn't fit your needs.
@MrAlexTech I've been a PC user for 20 years and I'd normally just go for a PC, but prices have skyrocketed due to weak exchange rates that I'm considering mac ( not a fan of the o/s tho!). I didn't know about the 14 days policy, thanks!
If your files were Prores instead, do you think the performance for magic mask etc. would be much better? Great comparison btw!
Nice. I find resolve is doggy with my M1 Studio and 60-minute video clips. Any thoughts on how these long clips (an entire meetup session) will perform on this M4 Mac Mini?
Thanks for the video, very useful! As a video editor, for me the most important thingmis the time line fluency. If I want to expand the m4 pro, from the base model, and I just can afford only one move, which one is more important: chip processor to cpu12 and gpu 20 or 48 gb ram? Or 1tb ssd?
The best comparison I have seen is that I have been waiting a lot for it, but I have an important question, what should I do to get the best possible performance, like on the GPU timeline, for example, do I just do the Arabian cheat code of infinite money and grap a 4090, or what should I do
So, as far as running FCP or DaVinci during the actual editing of content, 1080, 2K, or 4K, the base M4 Mini would be zippy? Even with a full feature length film? I'm not concerned with the export render time as much as I want good performance while I'm editing.
Cool test, but it's a shame that they always compare MAC to MAC and not to the base unit you're working on under Windows. That would give a real picture of how fast Mini Minipro is. Maybe a little update to this cool material?
Yeaah I know but my pc is much higher spec and way more expensive so it didn't feel like a fair, or realistic comparison. I might have to try building a pc for the same price and see how it goes 😄
@@MrAlexTech Hey Alex I just watched a video on the @Team2Films channel there are downloads for everyone on all platforms to test. Maybe next time you can create your own files to share. PS. They rated your video very well. As did I.
Searched high and low in forum and on BMD site but unable to find the "spaceship" files can you provide a link?
Enjoy your tutorials .
I found it in this forum post:
forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=176251
:) Thanks Jay!
Great content Alex!
I have a question, I am from India, from here the price is showing in Indian Money equivalent $272 (after 20% discount). When am choosing USA, it is showing $235.00. Can I buy it from USA region?
Oh I'm sorry I don't know the answer to that!
I assume this is davinci. You will need a us credit card likely to buy in usa and depending on the address you give you may need to pay 8 to 10 percent sales tax. Oregon and new Hampshire have o% sales tax
I'm getting the base model because i'm in a budget.
For what I've seen the base 4 is better than the best M2.
I'm having an Issue and can't find what am I doing wrong, I'm trying to export and audio directly from Fairlight available option, But the exported audio is completly clean, without the effects, and in order to get the audio with the effects I have to do it over the export/render tab.
My question is what am I doing wrong, since if im not mistaken i used to be able to download the audio with the effect directly from Fairlight available Export audio Option.
How much does it affect the overall productivity? Beginning from concept phase, shooting, cutting, rendering, exporting. Of course probably the exporting takes probably half the time but how much makes in terms of the whole process 10%, 5%, 1%, None, the real question can you turn the saved time into additional benefit beside satisfaction.
We don't talk about the fact of having a snappier system makes the workflow more fluently and more satisfying, but the gain of beeing more productive is to say it polite "very manageable"
There's no way for me to answer that unfortunately because every single person is different, every project is different and every one is coming from a different system.
I'd like to see a test of multitasking between 16, 24gb of ram
Apple will resolve GPU, 3D and overall rendering performance in the next iteration of the Mac Studio. The fact that this crop of Minis can take on Pro-level tasks at those price points is astounding. IMO, full-on Mac Pro towers will finally be put to rest. PC Modular computing will, of course, still be a "thing" but it will become more and more of a niche and hobby interest as hardware makers migrate away from legacy x86 architecture. For the ultimate Pro power users perhaps we will see a revival of eGPUs and other flavors of specialty "cards" running from an even faster variant of Thunderbolt 5 (6...7....?)....one quick connection....case stacking not "cracking". Anyway, the current Windows/PC Industrial Complex is looking at the success and benefits of Apple Silicon SoCs and hope to profit from it....
Yeaah totally agree with the eGPU. Thunderbolt 5 makes sense. We just need Apple and Nvidia to become friends.
I wish there was someone testing nuke on the 600 Mac mini
Have our second Mac Mini M4
I bought a M4 Mac mini and upgrade ram to 24gb because I use fusion to do some camera tracker or planar tracker, it Will be delivered tomorrow
Do you have Performance mode enabled in the User Prefs Playback? I always turn mine off for grading but editing I'd probably keep it in auto
Real-life application: What if you're running Davinici while having Photoshop and After Effects open simultaneously? Do you think that would hinder any performance with the M4 base?
Do you think it is better to buy this and a portable screen than a laptop for editing if you feel like traveling?
I keep obsessing over the fact that you can get two M4 Mini's for the same money as one M4 Pro Mini so long as you stick to baseline specs. Two M4's gets you a lot more of every resource in aggregate. How would a single Pro perform versus two M4 in a render farm?
Great comparison, thx 🔥👍 - but in truth .. we should not see 599$ - the "real" price is 999$ - the M4 Pro has 24GB RAM & 512GB SSD - so the difference is "only" 400$ bucks for the additional cores - and 400$ are the minimum additional monthly costs if you have a girlfriend 😭😆
I don't have a dialogue separator in my version. It's an updated one still.
You have to click on the audio timeline track, not the individual audio clip on the timeline. Watch exactly where I click at 02:51
@@MrAlexTech Thanks Man, Gotcha
Thank you for this video.I was wondering how M4 PRO deals with speed warp .You said in this vidio that your PC works just fine with heavy duties tasks. Can you put the specs in the comment sect. or make a video about it ?
I made a video when i installed the 4080 which talks speed warps! IT's this one: ruclips.net/video/79ckhjIA8yo/видео.html
Ooh just realised something. That video was from before they updated some of the stuff in Resolve so performance isn't accurate. Older video makes it look worse than it currently is (like speed warp etc).
Maybe I should update that video 😄
@@MrAlexTech well, I`ll be the first to watch it and give a big 👍. I'm considering upgrading from my M1 to the I7 14700K and RTX 4060, and this video helped me a lot
An absolutely BRILLIANT comparison (that Apple are probably not going to enjoy watching). No doubt the M4 Mini is an impressive little machine but I'll definitely just stick with my M1 Max! Thanks so much for doing this!
Thank you! Yeaah M1 max will still do you well 🙂
What about serious multitasking?
What does serious multitasking even mean?!
I wish you would test the difference between the RTX 4980 and 4090 laptop GPUs considering there's about 1000 dollars difference between the price of the two laptops regardless of the brand :)
I don't have any laptops with those in unfortunately, and that'd cost me a few grand to buy ha! I could try getting hold of some, so I'll see what I can do.
If I was guessing though... the 4080 will be plenty! They have the same video decoding ability, and the same encoding ability. Difference will be if you're using really heavy GPU effects like Noise Reduction etc.
@@MrAlexTech Thanks :)
Wow. Laughs in i7-11700K with vanilla RTX3060.
Makes me feel really happy with my 3 year-old mid-range windows setup.
I thought the M4 Pro, even though a mini, would wipe my setup - my WinTel didn't skip a frame in the five I tried - Magic Masks, DeNoise, Film Look, SuperScale and Speed Warp.
M4 pro still can't beat M1 max in GPU performance. But in CPU power, M4s are beast
Where did you download the spaceship fusion demo?
is 16gb ram enough for davinci and final cut pro video editing.
Yes, all the screen recording and exports on the base M4 are 16gb ram. More is better obviously, but 16 will suffice
@@MrAlexTech Thanks a lot just subscribed
I think a Head to Head on FCP is more useful. The machine learning etc is geared towards software thats coded for it no?
Does it have an impact on animations in Fusion?
well.. not that I would.. but..for $1399.. you technically could buy 2 base models.. and work on two different projects at the same time lol
Which M4 Pro? I mean what core?
12-Core CPU
16-Core GPU
What about the m4Max?
Thanks a lot MrAlexTech for this video! 🙌🏻
M4 Max? 🙏🏼
Ha! I may have 'maxxed' out a credit card for one...
Just to make sure I’m clear this is M4 with 16GB and M4pro with 24GB memory?
Yes indeed. The cheapest version of each... Also good point, probably should have put that info in the video 😄
That's what I was thinking. Besides, based on tests, 512gb storage is much faster than 256gb
It is yeah. I ran all the projects off an external nvme SSD.
built your timelines and all run full 25 fps in windows i9-14900k amd 6900 xt se fine , So will not be buying a mac m series anytime soon. Thanks for the great video.
Of course! You're unlikely to beat that spec PC with the Apple MacSalad!
M4 looks very viable compared to buying PC system, take in the price of the CPU and (massively overpriced) GPU and apple, surprisingly, looks to be good value. As long as you don't think gaming is important. I hope this AI bubble bursts and NVIDEA falls on its ass big time. What a shovel seller that company turned out to be.
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Weird right?! When has Apple ever been the 'good value' product
And the Pro Display XDR is not heavily overpriced?!
Apple does this too, you know.
@@akyhne Wait until you buy their Cleaning Cloth and Thunderbolt cables 😄
@MrAlexTech I'll die, before I buy anything from Apple.
@@akyhne Sure. Apple's upgrades are particularly badly priced. But we can all compare value. In terms of monitor, I wouldn't buy apple. All these companies want to rip you off, but NVIDEA is particularly bad. And good on them if I owned shares. But screw them as a consumer.