I remember back in the 1990s when they were trying to restore 2912 to operating condition. Obviously that didn’t work out, but we do thankfully have 2926!
I used to live in Pueblo for a lot of years. It would be amazing to see 2912 run again but honestly I doubt it would happen. The last time I heard, it would be upwards of $5 Million to pull that off.
WOW. For comparison the cost of returning N&W 611 (another large 4-8-4) to operation again in 2015 was around 2.5 million dollars. That would be an insanely expensive restoration.
@@thunderbird1921 Well, After chatting with the guys at the Pueblo museum, they told me that the boiler was completely shot. That means it would take an insane amount of work to get it back together and running again.
When it comes to replacement parts, the best way to restore a steam locomotive is to use pounds of scrap metal as a good source for melting, 3d printing, and machining into remaking original form of parts, instead of borrowing existing parts from an existing steam locomotive class. It's best to have acquire a tiny steel mill to the machine shop for easy resource.
I helped work on 2912 after it was moved to the union station. We sandblasted the loco and tender for paint. I was happy and excited to had been part of its hopeful restoration. I am disappointed that it did not come to fruition but I am happy that it lives on with the 2926.
If you think a cot on a waycar is comfortable, try imagining going to sleep on the seat while riding on a motor car down the track at about 25 to 30 mph. It is very noisy, but quite restful, especially on a warm afternoon. The whine of the wheels on the rail, the rhymic clatter of jointed rail, and the lateral hinting of the car is surprisingly restful. But, don't get too relaxed -- one could easily tumble onto the ballast. Then who would stop the motor car? I rode many miles with my track supervisors from time to time as they inspected the territory. It was the best way to ride and see the track up close. Thank you all for the work on the 2900's. I do remember, just barely, seeing one of the Santa Fe engines (very likely a 4-8-4) running Eastward across the slough between Sorrento and DelMar from the car window when I was very young in 1949 or so.
Thank you very much for this. I saw the 2912 quite often last decade when making the trips between Pueblo and Alamosa. Next time don't be afraid to use the word "appurtenance" when referencing locomotive pieces/parts.
Do you think maybe at some point you guys can do a video demonstrating the Feedwater Heater and Water Pump and how they work? It's always been intriguing to me, but I've never actually seen them demonstrated before.
Yes sir. A little history behind that little loco its from the pikes peek cog railroad in Colorado and has a rotary plow on the front someone though It looked like Pac-Man so they put him on the side
@@transportationproductions1794 No. The Pueblo Railway Museum has donated some parts from 2912 to the New Mexico Heritage Rail for use on 2926. The video explains everything.
Ok. I get that parts are needed for the 2926. And I understand scavegning of parts from older out of service locomotives and I understand the financial aspect that it is cheaper than constructing new parts BUT if this keeps happening then WHAT good is a stripped down locomotive to the general public? It is nothing more than an empty shell with NOTHING to show that it WAS a locomotive. And with only SIX of these machines left and ONE that is working, how much scavenging will be necessary until ALL of the static units are completely destroyed? So much for railroad preservation. And before I get hit with all of the negativity, I am a historian by trade and in my book history is there to be PRESERVED and not destroyed. And while the scavenging of parts is necessary, then why not just cut up the rest of the 2900's after taking ALL of their parts. At least then there would be a supply of parts. Sure, far better do this than go to the membership and start a parts fund or trust whereby donations are put away and built up to manufacture parts from the working locomotive or those parts that have been salvaged from the 2012. Unfortunately and sadly, the sand scoop will be the ONLY part that is returned to Pueblo as it is easy to re-create and easy to return. If I have a couple of million just kicking around, I definitely would put it towards the restoration of the 2012. Better to have at least 2 locomotives of this class in restored condition than take a chance on only one surviving. But then again, what am I, just a historian who happens to hate the destruction of history. And again, I KNOW the funding challenges.
I understand your concern. But you have to understand that these parts are not being used by 2912 they weren't even on 2912. They were sitting in a boxcar away from the public eye gathering dust and rust awaiting usage by a operational locomotive which 2912 isn't. Now the parts get a new life in 2926 they will be maintained cleaned and serviced. We also took the specs for the parts to create new ones in the future and or replace the ones on 2912. You have to understand when we took those parts we silently made a oath that if plans were conjered up to restore 2912 we would be responsible to help or replace those parts. We also don't have plans if these parts to break to go to another 2900 series and take their parts its just at this point we didn't have the recourses to make any ourselves or the time. We don't run like the railroad used to so these valves should last decades maybe more. Also for the injector starter we could not find plans for it so there is literally nothing we could do other than scavenge. Thank you for your concern hopefully this filled in some gaps we try to maintain history in whatever we do. We wouldn't of done this unless we had to which we did we have always made parts from scratch when we can.
REMOVING 2912 PARTS ENABLES THE STUDY OF HOW THEY WERE MADE , AND HOW THEY CAN BE REPRODUCED!! MODERN MACHINE TOOL TECHNOLOGY ALONG WITH COMPUTER AIDED MACHINING ABILITY TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED AND CREATE NEW PARTS, WHEREVER AND WHENEVER NEEDED! ALSO RECREATED PARTS CAN USE BETTER GRADES OF METAL ALLOYS! ONE EXAMPLE IS STAINLESS STEEL AS COMPARED TO CAST IRON OR BRASS BEING USED IN HIGH CORROSIVE ENVIRONMENTS! KEEP THEM ROLLING, BROTHERS!! 👍👍
@@atsf855sanbernardinocounty85 3700 and 2900 class locomotives are different from each other, so probably not be able to use parts from those other locomotives.
I'm 72, and as a kid played on a steam locomotive in Central Park, Salinas CA. Wonder what its number was? All I know is I drove that train all over the country. I miss pretending!
“Let’s go grab lunch” the best executive decision ever made by anyone 😂
I remember back in the 1990s when they were trying to restore 2912 to operating condition. Obviously that didn’t work out, but we do thankfully have 2926!
It's nice to see 2912 parts being used on 2926, that way 2912 is still with us roaming the rails.
"A small crew of Me, Henry, and a guy we found on the side of the road."
Lol
The Pueblo Railway Museum has been amazing and helpful to other organizations. Not just you guys, but also Kentucky Steam.
Tom T (2926 operations) We owe them. Thanks Pueblo Railway Museum!
#FireUpSantaFe2012
@@atsf855sanbernardinocounty85 Are two operating Santa Fe 4-8-4s not enough?
Let’s hope 2912 can steam up one day in the future
isn’t one 2900 enough..
Let’s focus on 2926 getting ready for mainline excursions first.
I doubt that 2912 will return to the rails.
we already have two ATSF northerns in operation
@@BrandzX93 That's great!
It looks as if 2912 is saying, "2926, take my parts. Fulfill your destiny"
The parts the 2926 crew received didn’t actually come off of the 2912 herself. Just from a boxcar pretty much.
I used to live in Pueblo for a lot of years. It would be amazing to see 2912 run again but honestly I doubt it would happen. The last time I heard, it would be upwards of $5 Million to pull that off.
WOW. For comparison the cost of returning N&W 611 (another large 4-8-4) to operation again in 2015 was around 2.5 million dollars. That would be an insanely expensive restoration.
@@thunderbird1921 Well, After chatting with the guys at the Pueblo museum, they told me that the boiler was completely shot. That means it would take an insane amount of work to get it back together and running again.
When it comes to replacement parts, the best way to restore a steam locomotive is to use pounds of scrap metal as a good source for melting, 3d printing, and machining into remaking original form of parts, instead of borrowing existing parts from an existing steam locomotive class. It's best to have acquire a tiny steel mill to the machine shop for easy resource.
I helped work on 2912 after it was moved to the union station. We sandblasted the loco and tender for paint. I was happy and excited to had been part of its hopeful restoration. I am disappointed that it did not come to fruition but I am happy that it lives on with the 2926.
Will 2912 be getting static display replacements in the future?
Outstanding coverage on the extremely important work you fellas are so selflessly putting in to keep this program alive.
If you think a cot on a waycar is comfortable, try imagining going to sleep on the seat while riding on a motor car down the track at about 25 to 30 mph.
It is very noisy, but quite restful, especially on a warm afternoon. The whine of the wheels on the rail, the rhymic clatter of jointed rail, and the lateral hinting of the car is surprisingly restful. But, don't get too relaxed -- one could easily tumble onto the ballast. Then who would stop the motor car?
I rode many miles with my track supervisors from time to time as they inspected the territory. It was the best way to ride and see the track up close.
Thank you all for the work on the 2900's. I do remember, just barely, seeing one of the Santa Fe engines (very likely a 4-8-4) running Eastward across the slough between Sorrento and DelMar from the car window when I was very young in 1949 or so.
There is one Steam Locomotive i want to see run and its not a Santa Fe Steam Locomotive
SP Cab-forward 4294 at the CSRM in Sacramento California
Great video, keep up the good work
Thank you very much for this. I saw the 2912 quite often last decade when making the trips between Pueblo and Alamosa. Next time don't be afraid to use the word "appurtenance" when referencing locomotive pieces/parts.
love the effort you guys are putting in, i spent some time at the pueblo army dept
Hello from Kansas 🇺🇲
Do you think maybe at some point you guys can do a video demonstrating the Feedwater Heater and Water Pump and how they work? It's always been intriguing to me, but I've never actually seen them demonstrated before.
Yeh I plan to at some point make a video about every part on 2926 and how they work
@@atsf2926 Superb! Thanks for your response.
I want to see a video once you get the 2926 Locomotive running
2926 will be happy 😊
Wow another one. This is very exciting!
I hope she’s come back
Look at Kindacircle going to work 💪🛠⚒️
Shame 2912 will never run again, but i cant wait for 2926 to run again. Hope y'all will work with BNSF and take her to Ft. Worth.
I’d love to see the 2912 on a passenger special! With red and silver Santa Fe ES44ACs right behind the 4-8-4! I can dream!
@@armandoperez7967 dream on my friend. Sometimes that's all we have.
It’s gonna stay in New Mexico for most of it’s runs
Is that Pacman in the background 9:05
Yes sir. A little history behind that little loco its from the pikes peek cog railroad in Colorado and has a rotary plow on the front someone though It looked like Pac-Man so they put him on the side
I hope we can hear 2912s whistle on 2926 if possible
Is it a cosmetic restoration?
2912 had a cosmetic restoration years ago.
@@TranscontinentalRailfan So, is this a restoration to operating condition?
@@transportationproductions1794 No. The Pueblo Railway Museum has donated some parts from 2912 to the New Mexico Heritage Rail for use on 2926. The video explains everything.
@@TranscontinentalRailfan Oh! I get it.
@@TranscontinentalRailfanNot only 2926 but also #2716
Ok. I get that parts are needed for the 2926. And I understand scavegning of parts from older out of service locomotives and I understand the financial aspect that it is cheaper than constructing new parts BUT if this keeps happening then WHAT good is a stripped down locomotive to the general public? It is nothing more than an empty shell with NOTHING to show that it WAS a locomotive. And with only SIX of these machines left and ONE that is working, how much scavenging will be necessary until ALL of the static units are completely destroyed? So much for railroad preservation. And before I get hit with all of the negativity, I am a historian by trade and in my book history is there to be PRESERVED and not destroyed. And while the scavenging of parts is necessary, then why not just cut up the rest of the 2900's after taking ALL of their parts. At least then there would be a supply of parts. Sure, far better do this than go to the membership and start a parts fund or trust whereby donations are put away and built up to manufacture parts from the working locomotive or those parts that have been salvaged from the 2012. Unfortunately and sadly, the sand scoop will be the ONLY part that is returned to Pueblo as it is easy to re-create and easy to return. If I have a couple of million just kicking around, I definitely would put it towards the restoration of the 2012. Better to have at least 2 locomotives of this class in restored condition than take a chance on only one surviving. But then again, what am I, just a historian who happens to hate the destruction of history. And again, I KNOW the funding challenges.
I understand your concern. But you have to understand that these parts are not being used by 2912 they weren't even on 2912. They were sitting in a boxcar away from the public eye gathering dust and rust awaiting usage by a operational locomotive which 2912 isn't. Now the parts get a new life in 2926 they will be maintained cleaned and serviced. We also took the specs for the parts to create new ones in the future and or replace the ones on 2912. You have to understand when we took those parts we silently made a oath that if plans were conjered up to restore 2912 we would be responsible to help or replace those parts.
We also don't have plans if these parts to break to go to another 2900 series and take their parts its just at this point we didn't have the recourses to make any ourselves or the time. We don't run like the railroad used to so these valves should last decades maybe more.
Also for the injector starter we could not find plans for it so there is literally nothing we could do other than scavenge.
Thank you for your concern hopefully this filled in some gaps we try to maintain history in whatever we do. We wouldn't of done this unless we had to which we did we have always made parts from scratch when we can.
REMOVING 2912 PARTS ENABLES THE STUDY OF HOW THEY WERE MADE , AND HOW THEY CAN BE REPRODUCED!!
MODERN MACHINE TOOL TECHNOLOGY ALONG WITH COMPUTER AIDED MACHINING ABILITY TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED AND CREATE NEW PARTS, WHEREVER AND WHENEVER NEEDED!
ALSO RECREATED PARTS CAN USE BETTER GRADES OF METAL ALLOYS!
ONE EXAMPLE IS STAINLESS STEEL AS COMPARED TO CAST IRON OR BRASS BEING USED IN HIGH CORROSIVE ENVIRONMENTS!
KEEP THEM ROLLING, BROTHERS!!
👍👍
#FireUpSantaFe2912
We don’t need to have 3 operating Santa Fe 4-8-4s.
@@chooch1764 Will AT&SF 3759 needs attention use some parts from 2912 & 2913 or make brand new parts for AT&SF 3759
@@atsf855sanbernardinocounty85 3700 and 2900 class locomotives are different from each other, so probably not be able to use parts from those other locomotives.
@@chooch1764 Then have make new parts for AT&SF 3759 and have her back operations under grand canyon railway
@@atsf855sanbernardinocounty85 No thank you! I’m happy with 3751 and 2926 running. 🙂
I love the video it's cool to see another 2900 on new mexico heritage rail though 2926 may be the only one 2912 deserves love too
I'm 72, and as a kid played on a steam locomotive in Central Park, Salinas CA. Wonder what its number was? All I know is I drove that train all over the country. I miss pretending!