Yeah average 10s for really strong moves and knowing the best moves against this type of gambit at 1700 is a giant red flag, such a shame that cheaters always ruin the fun of online games
I don't really get the point of cheating, how that can be good for people? I am learning and I get crushed most of times, but I play myself! stupid selfish people
I love it when they think before the obvious move. Like when promoting a pawn to a Queen or also giving mate. Humans we follow a line of thought so we can move fast if we have already calculated the forcing moves. But cheaters... they don't even understand what the computer is trying to do...
not always buddy..i am 1900 player and many time i waste alot of time finding obvious move like taking hanging queen or pin the queen to the king with my bishop..so its not always the case
As a class A USCF player (1900ish ELO, when I played rated tourneys actively), I've run into a LOT of this over the years. Even back in the days where the network was mostly BBS systems, before the internet got big. I even had players, after a few minute pause, suddenly morph from being, say 1300 players, to masters. They could not discuss ANYTHING about the game, even in a totally drawn endgame like opposite colored bishops with no serious imbalances. All they could do was say "move" and slavishly follow their engine. Now, friends tell me in serious tourneys like the annual World Open in Philly, that they monitor for cell phones in bathrooms, due to cheating. I love computers and even have written a couple of interesting chess programs, but all the cheating is really sad and takes away from the fun, IMO.
if I see a good move I always wait recalculate. look at something else and now look back to see if the move is actually what I want to do. seems reasonable to spend a little time since he still has most of his time remaining.
"He's gonna mate me, but he's going to think before he mates me" LMAO As if the move metronome wasn't flagrant enough. Sorry about your horrible luck facing this guy and suprememonk in the same tournament.
Random: I'm just a random 1900ish ELO player (or I was when I played OTB tourneys a lot). I've had people suddenly saddle up and use an engine mid game -- COMPLETELY changing speed, strength, move style, etc. And they couldn't discuss ANYTHING about the position when it was a dead draw (I was winning when they switched) -- all they could do was say "move" and follow what the engine did. Pathetic. It can happen to anyone.
But this was in a tournament, so it's not quite so straightforward. There's the time he's lost playing this cheater that he can't get back, and imagine if he'd come third (obviously the cheater wins), but then maybe the points he would win would be enough to bump him from 3rd to 2nd place (and hence winner once the cheater was DQ'd) What then?
@@DeShark88 Sorry for bumping this but I know what would happen. The game is treated as if it didnt happen in regards to the tournament but your rating would change. The Chess Network had this happen in one of his tournaments resulting in him winning if my memory is correct
He got reported and can't play in any rated games any more xD Cheaters usually don't even know what to do, most players would go for the obvious pawn promotion but like a cheater, they look at the engine and sees it's M in a number and they just follow the line and win, good thing Lichess has a really good cheater detector.
I cheat just to make everyone think I'm Magnus or any other GM being mischievous while shrouded in anonymity. I'm sure it makes their day, and mine as well to bring joy by crushing everyone XD.
There are cheaters in bullet chess too i have faced some i am 2000 on lichess but i dont know how do they cheat lichess has notified me about 2-3 times that i played a cheater and refunded me points
AD Hacking Productions. bots definitely otherwise it's imposible to play bullet.im no cheater but i blunder in bullet all the time can't imagine how a person can use a engine alongside
Ivan: But to me, bullet chess is just a different game. It's almost all tactics and basic knowledge. No time for real planning or deep strategy decision. I HATED it when they went to active chess in OTB tourneys at 30 minutes per side per game. To me, the old "tornado" tourney times at (as I recall) 40 moves in 60 minutes, and then 30 for the rest of the game, was a good "fast" time, where you could play 4 rounds on a long Saturday. But I still played much better at something like 40/90 and then 20/30 in multi-day events. Now as an old man pushing 60, 5 minute chess seems too fast for me. The data is still in there, but it's a much longer access path to get to lots of it, sadly. In MTG (Magic the Gathering), if you get caught cheating, they can ban you from ALL events. I think chess cheating should have harsh punishments to try to get rid of most of it.
10:56 1700s would probably take much more time in calculations before leaving one rook at the back rank while there's queen and rook battery. Yes I see the white bishop but It would take time to calculate if you can mate white before you as black get's mated.
he was in a tournament, its not that hard to see for yourself 10 seconds per move. very good difficult moves made quickly and the easiest obvious moves not taken right away
These guys using computer all the time will get banned and i am sure they will learn their lessons I was also a cheater before i got my 2 accounts banned on lichess now i have played about 5000 games on my third account and i dont cheat anymore Cheating never gave me the happiness that i got when i won games by myself.Just report them at the end of the day i am sure they will realise their mistake
I used to cheat a lot too. Especially in my early 20s, it seemed like everyone did. I'm around 2200 on lichess now and havent cheated in years but I always did it so i could improve my rating and play stronger opponents without cheating.
If you can't earn your way to facing stronger players, then you aren't good enough to be playing them, honestly. No matter how sincere or ambitious your reason form cheating, the fact is, that you were cheating, and you wasted time of people who actually respected the game. Not very fair, imho. Take care
I think these people are really just desperate to win rating points. I used to be so mad everytime I lost rating that I thought of cheating. But instead I just decided to play unrated games
makes me upset when a player, who is nowhere near as skilled as an IM, has the guts to cheat against one. Like, you're making these pretty amazing moves and finishing the game with about as much time as you started with... hmmmm. Definitely not obvious. >.>
Back when I played, I was rated 1800 and I would not have found all of those moves and most certainly not in less than 10 seconds each. Super obvious cheater.
Can anybody tell me how in 8:06 white pon captured black while standing next to it? Maybe i don't know rules but i've been playing some chess in primary school and i never heard of that possibillity
Oliver: OTOH, as a kid in the 70's, I could only play OTB, and had to beg rides to other cities, etc. to play in decent tournies, as there were only so many local ones. The technology of the internet is fantastic and a wonderful advantage, even if certain jerks cheat. Maybe to appreciate that, you had to grow up decades before the internet was "a thing".
@@thomasmartin4091 not every cheater dumbly plays the best engine suggestion on every move. they may play suboptimal moves from time to time when the difference isn't that big. and honest players can also play engine moves, and they do. now what percentage do we consider to be a red flag, 95%, 87.5%? every threshold will be arbitrary. you need to balance the risk of flagging honest players as cheaters. detecting cheaters isn't a trivial task. like with shoplifters, it's the dumbest and least skillful ones that get caught.
If the pawn takes the queen (g6xh5), then bd3 leads to mate . His queen can block for one turn but it will still be mate after bxf5. Dark square bishop controls the dark square around white king and the pawn on the 7th rank controls the last safe square.
10:24 I think the best move was rook e5, he cant kill knight with pawn cause he loose queen and he is forced to kill rook with bishop. What do you think about this idea?
why didnt pawn take queen at 12:03 ? then rook could have taken c7 if the pawn tried to advance. Neither bishops were threating a winning play. Basically giving him the material advantage and the possibility to clean up the board. and if bishop moved to d3 wouldnt the king be able to move to g8?
How come that white's clock at the 6:44 minute:second marks says "19:55" .. and then 10 seconds later at the 6:55 minute mark he has 20:02 minutes left on his clock??? Is it supposed to be like that? Is it something the players have agreed upon as a rule?? Or..??..?.?.
Telltale sign of cheating is that, without making any mistakes, somehow all your pieces are inactive while all his pieces are perfectly placed for the attack.
Yeah, I encounter these sometimes too, after a while you start to sense you're playing a computer chip at the other end controlled by a not so bright individual. I just block these people now, you end up encountering more genuine humans after a while.
They are cocksuckers. Thats why. If you feel shame while doing somethin bad, means ur actually not a bad person. But those suckers dont feel their shame, thats why they are suckers.
@@thegoat-ishere4414 A true definition of a goat. At lest you admit it! The cheep and goat may look alike on the "outside" but not of the same spirit. Obviously. At least it is getting more easy to spot the goats and stay away.
Maybe a3 then Bishop back to c3 then Qd5 , sorry for the previous one i don’t know how is Qe5 good either 😂 I don’t know if that one is good too cause i’m not good with calculating
on move 26 he could do bd6 if he promotes to a queen take it if he does a random move to qf1 he has to take and then you tack his rook with your rook checkmate
Whenever somebody seems like they are cheating against me then I let the computer analyze. If he played perfectly then I check his other games to see if this was a fluke. If all are perfect, I report him to the lichess CIA (Cheating Investigation Association or smth)
Sounds like a good idea. But even for an engine, what does "play perfenctly" mean? No obvious tactical blunders? Watching Alpha0 play some 2900 rated engine, how the hell can you tell what is a good or bad move in a sharp position, even with a decent engine?
@@rogergeyer9851 "Perfect" in this context means "the same moves that the engine suggests". That's different from what AlphaZero does; it has a completely different style of play than a typical engine, more positional and less tactical. Usually a strong human player will make positional plays and lay traps, whereas an engine plays primarily to avoid the possibility of getting trapped.
"and he's gonna mate me... but he's gonna think before he mates me. Yes. Okay." --- Yess i know the pain on lichess but this works every time with them.
I still don't understand what's the point of cheating. If I play chess to have fun, why should I use an engine? First I wouldn't train my brain, second I wouldn't have fun. It is like watching someone playing instead of playing by myself
@@anonymoussecret5948: To learn? I love to watch strong players and learn, or watch something like Ben Finegold RUclips chess lectures. Even reviewing basic principles helps you play more consistently, IMO.
@@rogergeyer9851 OP said "It's [using an engine] is like watching someone else playing [...]." My comment was asking why OP is watching someone else play, not a general question to you or anyone else.
It's interesting watching your face change. Think about it though, some people's parents did not pass down this wisdom of honesty or it had been ignored. This just shows how privileged we are by being able to live our honest lives.
It's so worrying to see my beloved online friend and Guru Eric Rosen so emotionally distressed. God bless you in all your endeavours. Your humbleness humility is a lesson for humanity.
I am quite a strong chess player. But like many of the people within these comments, I made the mistake of playing Classical 15+15 on Lichess. After quite a long losing streak I went back and reviewed the games. To my surprise, the majority of moves my opponents made were Engine suggested. What should have tipped me off Is that they were all rated lower than me. Now I just go on Lichess for the puzzles
No he doesn't. After queen sac to rook and then capturing the white rook with check, white blocks check with rf1. Black cannot take with mate as white has a bishop defending f1. So your queen sac would lose you the game on the spot.
Just last night I beat someone in the city who is a master 2250 and I destroyed him. Yesterday I also beat a 1900 rated player TWICE and I am 1591 rated. There was a spectator who was absolutely stunned. I have been doing over 30 tactic puzzles a day and 2 hours of study a day for months and playing in all the tournaments I can, and playing less blitz. Actually a strange feeling overcame me, like I started to understand chess just in the moments I was playing them. Like it was this hyperawareness that took hold of me. It was quite strange, it was like studying music and then all of a sudden you're composing a symphony. Crappy explanation but you get the point. A rating is just a number at the end of the day. You must have shoshin "a beginner's mind." The spectator told me, you can be a brilliant player, but that isn't always enough you must also play brilliant chess.
Maybe people play a combination of computer moves and their own moves. When the play is flawless and the thinking time similar, very suspicious. The opposing player doesn't get the benefit of the extra thinking time too.
don't you hate it when you want to give an answer but you are late? basically every move, they got 15 sec, since it's a classical game, it's 15 + 15, the first 15 is 15 minutes, indicates the time they have, and + 15 mean +15 seconds after they made a move
It just looked like the guy had nice developing moves. At 2:09 white was fully developed and black still had two bishops on the back rank, the queen rook just looked stupid and blacks pawns were not developed. Blacks white bishop was still trapped. Didn't look like white played any great moves until 12:14. That move was just a computer give away. There is no way a 1700 player would think of that.
I am gonna play this line as white in the Budapest. I think a4 was the mistake but I can see it being played. White got so active too bad its an engine ;(
well, you do have a 1-0 record against magnus carlsen the world chess champion, so I suppose you probably know what you're talking about when you say this guy is a computer cheater.
Breh, it was a bullet game, there would have been no way for him to cheat. The meaning is the verbatim meaning of the comment. Not everything you read on the internet is written with the tone you read it in your head.
You’re a nice person, Eric, I like the way you take this even when he’s cheating , in my opinion I just play blitz, obviously this doesn’t happens, but fortunately I don’t like classic games
David: But blitz, IMO, is a COMPLETELY different game than slow, serious chess. Obviously there's a correlation between playing strength and performance at blitz, but it's almost all tactics and instinct in blitz. To me the fun of chess is the planning and the strategy. When I was a kid and played a serious game, I would have the game memorized after the game, due to the logic of the flow and what happened. To me, blitz is just totally different and MUCH less satisfying. It's a shame if cheaters take away the fun of serious, strategic, contemplative chess online.
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He is not cheating, he has a really good gaming chair
Siim Koppel that explains so much, thank you mate :D
but can it do _this_
And a gaming mouse.
@@ptbcf4966 isnt that minecraft meme XD
Wow this is so funny guy, how did you think of such a funny thing to write on youtube all on your own?
Man, engines are pretty good at chess
Just imagine someone building a mechanical chess engine lol!
Engines have been pretty good at chess for about 25-30 years now.
@@geometricart7851 man, you are pretty good at not picking up jokes
RAAAR
@@gabington8990 GO BEN
Yeah average 10s for really strong moves and knowing the best moves against this type of gambit at 1700 is a giant red flag, such a shame that cheaters always ruin the fun of online games
It baffles me why people cheat in games
Cheaters in online chess is a Shame.
I actually played one yesterday, coincidentally. I went through his last 3 games, and one of them had a 100% best move, on a 30+ move game.
I don't really get the point of cheating, how that can be good for people? I am learning and I get crushed most of times, but I play myself! stupid selfish people
@@cohatch1 they're destroying the game we all know and love...
Eric: "..at least he is thinking"
Cheater : *went to kitchen to make himself a coffee...
Then he went oh no my queen for the classics two bishop mate
I love it when they think before the obvious move. Like when promoting a pawn to a Queen or also giving mate. Humans we follow a line of thought so we can move fast if we have already calculated the forcing moves. But cheaters... they don't even understand what the computer is trying to do...
not always buddy..i am 1900 player and many time i waste alot of time finding obvious move like taking hanging queen or pin the queen to the king with my bishop..so its not always the case
As a class A USCF player (1900ish ELO, when I played rated tourneys actively), I've run into a LOT of this over the years. Even back in the days where the network was mostly BBS systems, before the internet got big.
I even had players, after a few minute pause, suddenly morph from being, say 1300 players, to masters. They could not discuss ANYTHING about the game, even in a totally drawn endgame like opposite colored bishops with no serious imbalances. All they could do was say "move" and slavishly follow their engine.
Now, friends tell me in serious tourneys like the annual World Open in Philly, that they monitor for cell phones in bathrooms, due to cheating.
I love computers and even have written a couple of interesting chess programs, but all the cheating is really sad and takes away from the fun, IMO.
if I see a good move I always wait recalculate. look at something else and now look back to see if the move is actually what I want to do. seems reasonable to spend a little time since he still has most of his time remaining.
Lasker said '' when you have a good move look for the great move"
@@mikehunt7810 Yeah nah if you are 1 minute in the endgame with king and 2 pawns you are not looking for great moves anymore.
"He's gonna mate me, but he's going to think before he mates me" LMAO
As if the move metronome wasn't flagrant enough. Sorry about your horrible luck facing this guy and suprememonk in the same tournament.
I had already told in the beginning of the game, u said I was too pessimistic :(
Haha
How did you know he was gonna cheat??
@@RBG9000 Probably he played against cheater earlier
Plot twist: Aniket Bramhankar is Crapbasket.
Omg, it’s you! 😂
>takes 5 seconds to think of GM level moves
>takes 5 seconds to find mate in 1
edit: spelling
To be fair mate in 1 is pretty gm level
Thankfully im too low rated to get paired with engine cheats haha!
Random: I'm just a random 1900ish ELO player (or I was when I played OTB tourneys a lot). I've had people suddenly saddle up and use an engine mid game -- COMPLETELY changing speed, strength, move style, etc. And they couldn't discuss ANYTHING about the position when it was a dead draw (I was winning when they switched) -- all they could do was say "move" and follow what the engine did.
Pathetic. It can happen to anyone.
@@rogergeyer9851 Since when is 1900ish a low rating?
I don’t bother with standard online chess anymore.
You say that, but there are 1100 that use engines.
Random Brown Guy same, 800
report to lichess
you ll get your rating points back
raJzt Sharma how to report to lichess?
But this was in a tournament, so it's not quite so straightforward. There's the time he's lost playing this cheater that he can't get back, and imagine if he'd come third (obviously the cheater wins), but then maybe the points he would win would be enough to bump him from 3rd to 2nd place (and hence winner once the cheater was DQ'd) What then?
@@DeShark88 Sorry for bumping this but I know what would happen. The game is treated as if it didnt happen in regards to the tournament but your rating would change. The Chess Network had this happen in one of his tournaments resulting in him winning if my memory is correct
@@Spudge yeah you get your rating points back, but it could cause you to not win the tournament!
for his terrible handling of this opening he should get no points returned...LOL
Eric: I'm playing the Budhapest...Opponent: I'm playing Le Stockfish
Everyone has blundered mate in one, when there's 10 mating variations.
That guy is engineous 🤣😂
😂😂😂
Hes ready to sacrifice his soul to teach you a chess lesson, this man is very empathic !
Genius cmnt
So generous
Eric is such a good person. Not once did he say the word cheater himself even when he knew exactly what was going on.
"Have I ever blundered mate in 1"
*JoannaTries enters the chat*
He got reported and can't play in any rated games any more xD Cheaters usually don't even know what to do, most players would go for the obvious pawn promotion but like a cheater, they look at the engine and sees it's M in a number and they just follow the line and win, good thing Lichess has a really good cheater detector.
They also ban not cheating players.
Been cheating for years and never caught
Titanium Hearts Loft shame on you dude
I cheat just to make everyone think I'm Magnus or any other GM being mischievous while shrouded in anonymity. I'm sure it makes their day, and mine as well to bring joy by crushing everyone XD.
@@sadmanzaid420 fucking loser
That's why many like bullet timing more because there is no time to use engine in that case.
its still possible but requires some basic knowledge in programming/scripting.
There are cheaters in bullet chess too i have faced some i am 2000 on lichess but i dont know how do they cheat lichess has notified me about 2-3 times that i played a cheater and refunded me points
AD Hacking Productions. bots definitely otherwise it's imposible to play bullet.im no cheater but i blunder in bullet all the time can't imagine how a person can use a engine alongside
Well to be honest he only lost 10 seconds
Ivan: But to me, bullet chess is just a different game. It's almost all tactics and basic knowledge. No time for real planning or deep strategy decision.
I HATED it when they went to active chess in OTB tourneys at 30 minutes per side per game. To me, the old "tornado" tourney times at (as I recall) 40 moves in 60 minutes, and then 30 for the rest of the game, was a good "fast" time, where you could play 4 rounds on a long Saturday.
But I still played much better at something like 40/90 and then 20/30 in multi-day events.
Now as an old man pushing 60, 5 minute chess seems too fast for me. The data is still in there, but it's a much longer access path to get to lots of it, sadly.
In MTG (Magic the Gathering), if you get caught cheating, they can ban you from ALL events. I think chess cheating should have harsh punishments to try to get rid of most of it.
i think that guy is going to become a grandmaster one day
a GM in engineusing that is....
@@WorkDayPegasus basically maurice ashley
@@RBG9000 why tf is that
@@brucexu313 he has multiple engines installed in his forehead
@@RBG9000 Yep.
I'm surprised this video didnt get age restricted for inappropriate content. That was disgusting!
His name is "crapbasket" what did you expect !!!
10:56 1700s would probably take much more time in calculations before leaving one rook at the back rank while there's queen and rook battery. Yes I see the white bishop but It would take time to calculate if you can mate white before you as black get's mated.
His engine is probably running a Carlsen
I think it's just Magnus playing and he got his new gaming glasses.
video would be more enjoyable if you showed analysis of your investigation into cheating
he was in a tournament, its not that hard to see for yourself 10 seconds per move. very good difficult moves made quickly and the easiest obvious moves not taken right away
No analysis is needed. It's self-evident
He's probably saying that because he got points refunded for losing to a cheater.
"at least he's thinking"
yeah, right...
These guys using computer all the time will get banned and i am sure they will learn their lessons I was also a cheater before i got my 2 accounts banned on lichess now i have played about 5000 games on my third account and i dont cheat anymore Cheating never gave me the happiness that i got when i won games by myself.Just report them at the end of the day i am sure they will realise their mistake
The mistake with that comment is the assumption that Cheats actually give a crap about the game of Chess.
I used to cheat a lot too. Especially in my early 20s, it seemed like everyone did. I'm around 2200 on lichess now and havent cheated in years but I always did it so i could improve my rating and play stronger opponents without cheating.
If you can't earn your way to facing stronger players, then you aren't good enough to be playing them, honestly. No matter how sincere or ambitious your reason form cheating, the fact is, that you were cheating, and you wasted time of people who actually respected the game. Not very fair, imho. Take care
I tought for a second this guy was trolling
I think these people are really just desperate to win rating points. I used to be so mad everytime I lost rating that I thought of cheating. But instead I just decided to play unrated games
Wow, that computer was obviously a cheater
"at least he's thinking"
_is he?_
makes me upset when a player, who is nowhere near as skilled as an IM, has the guts to cheat against one. Like, you're making these pretty amazing moves and finishing the game with about as much time as you started with... hmmmm. Definitely not obvious. >.>
It upsets me less when I realize how poorly it reflects on their intelligence lol.
Maybe Carlsen decided to troll Rosen.
+Internet Analytics
So smart my boi
12:09 that's actually amazing. I was so confused at why the queen wasn't taken. Didn't even realize the king can't move to g8 cause of the pawn.
That guy sits around at a tournament watching the engine play humans. So pathetic!
Back when I played, I was rated 1800 and I would not have found all of those moves and most certainly not in less than 10 seconds each. Super obvious cheater.
Can anybody tell me how in 8:06 white pon captured black while standing next to it?
Maybe i don't know rules but i've been playing some chess in primary school and i never heard of that possibillity
look up "en passant"
@@StephenHughes21 yeah, i already checked that, but thanks ;)
I reproduce the black moves with droidfish, the comupter reproduce exactly the same moves as the white there...
This is why I hate playing classical games on lichess, cheating happens now and then and it really sucks
Oliver: OTOH, as a kid in the 70's, I could only play OTB, and had to beg rides to other cities, etc. to play in decent tournies, as there were only so many local ones.
The technology of the internet is fantastic and a wonderful advantage, even if certain jerks cheat. Maybe to appreciate that, you had to grow up decades before the internet was "a thing".
Online cheating is a big pest that will never be erradicated
Ajedrez Para Novatos ma man usin fancy words
da duude erradicated isnt a fancy word lol
I suspect eventually the big sites will have cheat detectors that will even be able to tell which engine a cheater used.
Bro i know u , u upload that master class video , great thanks to u
@@thomasmartin4091 not every cheater dumbly plays the best engine suggestion on every move. they may play suboptimal moves from time to time when the difference isn't that big. and honest players can also play engine moves, and they do. now what percentage do we consider to be a red flag, 95%, 87.5%? every threshold will be arbitrary. you need to balance the risk of flagging honest players as cheaters. detecting cheaters isn't a trivial task. like with shoplifters, it's the dumbest and least skillful ones that get caught.
I missed a mate in one, and then went on to lose. It still haunts me as it would have been a smothered mate playing the King's Gambit FeelsBadMan
I am quite new to chess. Can someone please tell that why in the endgame he couldnt take queen with pawn on the 6-7file.
bishop d3 is mate
On the bright side, that was a very artistic refutation by the machine.
isnt #3 suprememonk a cheater too?
Im new to chess. Can someone explain to me, why he is not taking the Queen with his pawn at 11:56?
If the pawn takes the queen (g6xh5), then
bd3 leads to mate
.
His queen can block for one turn but it will still be mate
after bxf5. Dark square bishop controls the dark square around white king and the pawn on the 7th rank controls the last safe square.
@@Ben-gd1so oh, thank you
@@Ben-gd1so good job explaining sir. A chess professor you should be, if not already
At 11:22, does Qxc4 works? If bxc4 then white queen is gone by gxh5.
Facepalm
@@mullezapp explain
10:24 I think the best move was rook e5, he cant kill knight with pawn cause he loose queen and he is forced to kill rook with bishop. What do you think about this idea?
Queen takes knight g6 because the pawn is pinned by the bishop
why didnt pawn take queen at 12:03 ? then rook could have taken c7 if the pawn tried to advance. Neither bishops were threating a winning play. Basically giving him the material advantage and the possibility to clean up the board. and if bishop moved to d3 wouldnt the king be able to move to g8?
How come that white's clock at the 6:44 minute:second marks says "19:55" .. and then 10 seconds later at the 6:55 minute mark he has 20:02 minutes left on his clock??? Is it supposed to be like that? Is it something the players have agreed upon as a rule?? Or..??..?.?.
They were playing with a 10 sec increment (basicallyadds 10 sec every time you move), but Eric berserked. When you berserk, you lose the increment.
Isn't it pretty obvious they gain 10 seconds per move?
Telltale sign of cheating is that, without making any mistakes, somehow all your pieces are inactive while all his pieces are perfectly placed for the attack.
Yeah, I encounter these sometimes too, after a while you start to sense you're playing a computer chip at the other end controlled by a not so bright individual.
I just block these people now, you end up encountering more genuine humans after a while.
I cheated on one game in my life and I felt like an asshole for weeks after. I don't know how these guys do it.
They are cocksuckers. Thats why. If you feel shame while doing somethin bad, means ur actually not a bad person. But those suckers dont feel their shame, thats why they are suckers.
Yanis Okamisensei pussys
I enjoyed cheating and crushing people everyday until I got banned
@@thegoat-ishere4414 A true definition of a goat. At lest you admit it!
The cheep and goat may look alike on the "outside" but not of the same spirit. Obviously.
At least it is getting more easy to spot the goats and stay away.
10:50 rook e5 was a great move
No, it's a bad move. White takes Knight with Queen, can't take back because of Bishop pin on King.
that engine should really play professional
I might look dumb but i’m a beginner, at 10:10 isn’t rock a5 a good move ?
How will u reply to b4?, i am also a beginner so take my question as a question and not as a statement or anything.
I already forgot what would happen cause that was 4 days , Qe4 i think is good because the bishop is hanging , i don’t even know if that’s good or not
@@aysenjahola467 are we talking about move 22...? Cause i don't see how Qe5 is a good move.
Maybe a3 then Bishop back to c3 then Qd5 , sorry for the previous one i don’t know how is Qe5 good either 😂
I don’t know if that one is good too cause i’m not good with calculating
I mean queen d4***
on move 26 he could do bd6 if he promotes to a queen take it if he does a random move to qf1 he has to take and then you tack his rook with your rook checkmate
Whenever somebody seems like they are cheating against me then I let the computer analyze. If he played perfectly then I check his other games to see if this was a fluke. If all are perfect, I report him to the lichess CIA (Cheating Investigation Association or smth)
Sounds like a good idea. But even for an engine, what does "play perfenctly" mean? No obvious tactical blunders? Watching Alpha0 play some 2900 rated engine, how the hell can you tell what is a good or bad move in a sharp position, even with a decent engine?
@@rogergeyer9851 "Perfect" in this context means "the same moves that the engine suggests". That's different from what AlphaZero does; it has a completely different style of play than a typical engine, more positional and less tactical. Usually a strong human player will make positional plays and lay traps, whereas an engine plays primarily to avoid the possibility of getting trapped.
And look at the standings SupremeMonk is waiting
Can someone explain to me why he didnt take the queen at 12:11?
Be3+ leads to mate
"and he's gonna mate me... but he's gonna think before he mates me. Yes. Okay." --- Yess i know the pain on lichess but this works every time with them.
12:04 why doesn’t work Qxc4? He takes the bishop than after recapture he can take the queen with the pawn...
What am i missing?
I’m not a strong player so I may be wrong but I believe if queen c4 then opponent queen e5 threatens mate with no way of stopping it
Beats By Con yea you re definitely right thanks
I still don't understand what's the point of cheating. If I play chess to have fun, why should I use an engine? First I wouldn't train my brain, second I wouldn't have fun. It is like watching someone playing instead of playing by myself
Then why are you watching him play chess lol
Chess engines are fun. But against each other not human lol. Carles is a engine type human and even he needs 15 seconds to fish for best moves.
They do it for internet points!
@@anonymoussecret5948: To learn? I love to watch strong players and learn, or watch something like Ben Finegold RUclips chess lectures. Even reviewing basic principles helps you play more consistently, IMO.
@@rogergeyer9851
OP said "It's [using an engine] is like watching someone else playing [...]." My comment was asking why OP is watching someone else play, not a general question to you or anyone else.
He is not thinking... it is processing
It's interesting watching your face change. Think about it though, some people's parents did not pass down this wisdom of honesty or it had been ignored.
This just shows how privileged we are by being able to live our honest lives.
If there is two people working together, with tech, it is undetectable, they could be holding up cards with best moves.
It's so worrying to see my beloved online friend and Guru Eric Rosen so emotionally distressed. God bless you in all your endeavours. Your humbleness humility is a lesson for humanity.
Why don't you report him?? I reported a computer cheater and it worked so that it said they use a computer if you choose to play them
Logical Good. Hopefully he doesn't find out and just create another account though
They dont have a report button in lichess as far as i know
well they do cos I've done it
insiderunner where is it though
da duude go on their profile and far right hand side on the top bar near where it says the follow option you can report from there
At 7:52, couldn’t he do Bishop C6 & take pawn. Then do pawn D6. Then Bishop H3 for essentially checkmate?
How you can tell ?
Can someone tell me why the heck he didn't take the queen with his pawn at 11:39 ??
Because the white bishop to D3 is mate. The black and white bishops cover two consecutive diagonals.
thats why i only play blitz.....everyone is suspicious
Whenever Eric leans in and bites his lip you know shits goin down 😂😂
Hey can someone explain to me why he doesnt capture the Queen after pawn takes on c8?
C7 *
@@sidneyraabe6252 ahh very nice thank you
Your opponent may have been 1700 but his engine was 2500.
How was the pawn taken at 8:07 ?
En passant
I am quite a strong chess player. But like many of the people within these comments, I made the mistake of playing Classical 15+15 on Lichess. After quite a long losing streak I went back and reviewed the games. To my surprise, the majority of moves my opponents made were Engine suggested. What should have tipped me off Is that they were all rated lower than me. Now I just go on Lichess for the puzzles
Eric you can take his bishop with queen, then take his queen.
Cheat on cod battlefield csgo but chess? How low can u go lmao
ayebrahletsksate not even battlefield/cs. GTA is the only game I understand cheating in
Eric had a checkmate when the rookie went up and took the horse. Sack the queen with his rook to land.
No he doesn't. After queen sac to rook and then capturing the white rook with check, white blocks check with rf1. Black cannot take with mate as white has a bishop defending f1. So your queen sac would lose you the game on the spot.
this is one of the top eric moments
Just last night I beat someone in the city who is a master 2250 and I destroyed him. Yesterday I also beat a 1900 rated player TWICE and I am 1591 rated. There was a spectator who was absolutely stunned. I have been doing over 30 tactic puzzles a day and 2 hours of study a day for months and playing in all the tournaments I can, and playing less blitz. Actually a strange feeling overcame me, like I started to understand chess just in the moments I was playing them. Like it was this hyperawareness that took hold of me. It was quite strange, it was like studying music and then all of a sudden you're composing a symphony. Crappy explanation but you get the point. A rating is just a number at the end of the day. You must have shoshin "a beginner's mind." The spectator told me, you can be a brilliant player, but that isn't always enough you must also play brilliant chess.
And then you woke up...
Maybe people play a combination of computer moves and their own moves. When the play is flawless and the thinking time similar, very suspicious. The opposing player doesn't get the benefit of the extra thinking time too.
10:54 didn't eric have win with Qe1
nope he has Rf8
I checked lichess and this user (crapbasket) officially uses an engine it's on the profile of this user
At 12:35 why not Queen takes bishop from C3?
Um... Because the bishop is not in the same Rank?
Sorry. I wanted to say, the bishop from C4, not 3.
I think that if he captures the white bishop, he ll be fine because the opponents queen is hanging, and no check is possible.
@@georgeion4554 Qxc4 Qe5. Common dude.
Sad that you cant have an anti cheat for chess
I'm new here and I don't quite understand why after every White's move the time increased? Can anyone explain thanksss
don't you hate it when you want to give an answer but you are late? basically every move, they got 15 sec, since it's a classical game, it's 15 + 15, the first 15 is 15 minutes, indicates the time they have, and + 15 mean +15 seconds after they made a move
SkyMaster Albani it's not too late though, I get it know, thank you
@@thuybui1329 no, that's what i meant by late, by the time i answered you already know the answer
It just looked like the guy had nice developing moves. At 2:09 white was fully developed and black still had two bishops on the back rank, the queen rook just looked stupid and blacks pawns were not developed. Blacks white bishop was still trapped. Didn't look like white played any great moves until 12:14. That move was just a computer give away. There is no way a 1700 player would think of that.
10:54 wasnt queen d1 rook take rook take bishop block rook takes check mate?
There was a white room defending the f1 square, take a closer look
Queen D1, rook takes, rook takes, bishop blocks
you just left a lot of chances to defend yourself ...
Eric has two videos on losing to cheaters. In this one he plays one, while the other cheater sits at third place
I never resign I take it the very end no matter how bad my pride hurts
In a timed tournament, it makes no sense not to resign in a clearly lost game.
I am gonna play this line as white in the Budapest. I think a4 was the mistake but I can see it being played. White got so active too bad its an engine ;(
Someone told me my car has a pretty good engine... I should try to teach it chess one day
10:54 Qe1 then Rxe1 and Rxe1 is winning, right?
No, sadly
how did he find out?
how many moves is this guy taking at once?
well, you do have a 1-0 record against magnus carlsen the world chess champion, so I suppose you probably know what you're talking about when you say this guy is a computer cheater.
happens every day to me and a million other chess players
erm.. What about that was snide?
You are clearly insinuating that Eric cheated against carlsen. You can act naive but those words don't construe any other meaning.
Breh, it was a bullet game, there would have been no way for him to cheat. The meaning is the verbatim meaning of the comment. Not everything you read on the internet is written with the tone you read it in your head.
@@zepeterinma I apologise.
Alt Title : Eric Rosen vs Engines
100% cheater, but Eric didn't play the best "anticheater" moves.
I think that's why he said he wished he played a different opening. Although if the engine was strong enough, it wouldn't have mattered anyway
You’re a nice person, Eric, I like the way you take this even when he’s cheating , in my opinion I just play blitz, obviously this doesn’t happens, but fortunately I don’t like classic games
David: But blitz, IMO, is a COMPLETELY different game than slow, serious chess.
Obviously there's a correlation between playing strength and performance at blitz, but it's almost all tactics and instinct in blitz. To me the fun of chess is the planning and the strategy.
When I was a kid and played a serious game, I would have the game memorized after the game, due to the logic of the flow and what happened. To me, blitz is just totally different and MUCH less satisfying.
It's a shame if cheaters take away the fun of serious, strategic, contemplative chess online.
I don't condone cheating but these kinds of videos are really fun to watch
Eric should have given a check in 23rd move. Qe3 to Qe1 it would have easily mated white. Eric did not see this move.
no, Qe1 and then white plays Rc1, its not a mate