Yeah average 10s for really strong moves and knowing the best moves against this type of gambit at 1700 is a giant red flag, such a shame that cheaters always ruin the fun of online games
I don't really get the point of cheating, how that can be good for people? I am learning and I get crushed most of times, but I play myself! stupid selfish people
"He's gonna mate me, but he's going to think before he mates me" LMAO As if the move metronome wasn't flagrant enough. Sorry about your horrible luck facing this guy and suprememonk in the same tournament.
I love it when they think before the obvious move. Like when promoting a pawn to a Queen or also giving mate. Humans we follow a line of thought so we can move fast if we have already calculated the forcing moves. But cheaters... they don't even understand what the computer is trying to do...
not always buddy..i am 1900 player and many time i waste alot of time finding obvious move like taking hanging queen or pin the queen to the king with my bishop..so its not always the case
As a class A USCF player (1900ish ELO, when I played rated tourneys actively), I've run into a LOT of this over the years. Even back in the days where the network was mostly BBS systems, before the internet got big. I even had players, after a few minute pause, suddenly morph from being, say 1300 players, to masters. They could not discuss ANYTHING about the game, even in a totally drawn endgame like opposite colored bishops with no serious imbalances. All they could do was say "move" and slavishly follow their engine. Now, friends tell me in serious tourneys like the annual World Open in Philly, that they monitor for cell phones in bathrooms, due to cheating. I love computers and even have written a couple of interesting chess programs, but all the cheating is really sad and takes away from the fun, IMO.
if I see a good move I always wait recalculate. look at something else and now look back to see if the move is actually what I want to do. seems reasonable to spend a little time since he still has most of his time remaining.
Random: I'm just a random 1900ish ELO player (or I was when I played OTB tourneys a lot). I've had people suddenly saddle up and use an engine mid game -- COMPLETELY changing speed, strength, move style, etc. And they couldn't discuss ANYTHING about the position when it was a dead draw (I was winning when they switched) -- all they could do was say "move" and follow what the engine did. Pathetic. It can happen to anyone.
But this was in a tournament, so it's not quite so straightforward. There's the time he's lost playing this cheater that he can't get back, and imagine if he'd come third (obviously the cheater wins), but then maybe the points he would win would be enough to bump him from 3rd to 2nd place (and hence winner once the cheater was DQ'd) What then?
@@DeShark88 Sorry for bumping this but I know what would happen. The game is treated as if it didnt happen in regards to the tournament but your rating would change. The Chess Network had this happen in one of his tournaments resulting in him winning if my memory is correct
There are cheaters in bullet chess too i have faced some i am 2000 on lichess but i dont know how do they cheat lichess has notified me about 2-3 times that i played a cheater and refunded me points
AD Hacking Productions. bots definitely otherwise it's imposible to play bullet.im no cheater but i blunder in bullet all the time can't imagine how a person can use a engine alongside
He got reported and can't play in any rated games any more xD Cheaters usually don't even know what to do, most players would go for the obvious pawn promotion but like a cheater, they look at the engine and sees it's M in a number and they just follow the line and win, good thing Lichess has a really good cheater detector.
I cheat just to make everyone think I'm Magnus or any other GM being mischievous while shrouded in anonymity. I'm sure it makes their day, and mine as well to bring joy by crushing everyone XD.
10:56 1700s would probably take much more time in calculations before leaving one rook at the back rank while there's queen and rook battery. Yes I see the white bishop but It would take time to calculate if you can mate white before you as black get's mated.
he was in a tournament, its not that hard to see for yourself 10 seconds per move. very good difficult moves made quickly and the easiest obvious moves not taken right away
makes me upset when a player, who is nowhere near as skilled as an IM, has the guts to cheat against one. Like, you're making these pretty amazing moves and finishing the game with about as much time as you started with... hmmmm. Definitely not obvious. >.>
Back when I played, I was rated 1800 and I would not have found all of those moves and most certainly not in less than 10 seconds each. Super obvious cheater.
Oliver: OTOH, as a kid in the 70's, I could only play OTB, and had to beg rides to other cities, etc. to play in decent tournies, as there were only so many local ones. The technology of the internet is fantastic and a wonderful advantage, even if certain jerks cheat. Maybe to appreciate that, you had to grow up decades before the internet was "a thing".
They are cocksuckers. Thats why. If you feel shame while doing somethin bad, means ur actually not a bad person. But those suckers dont feel their shame, thats why they are suckers.
@@thegoat-ishere4414 A true definition of a goat. At lest you admit it! The cheep and goat may look alike on the "outside" but not of the same spirit. Obviously. At least it is getting more easy to spot the goats and stay away.
@@thomasmartin4091 not every cheater dumbly plays the best engine suggestion on every move. they may play suboptimal moves from time to time when the difference isn't that big. and honest players can also play engine moves, and they do. now what percentage do we consider to be a red flag, 95%, 87.5%? every threshold will be arbitrary. you need to balance the risk of flagging honest players as cheaters. detecting cheaters isn't a trivial task. like with shoplifters, it's the dumbest and least skillful ones that get caught.
These guys using computer all the time will get banned and i am sure they will learn their lessons I was also a cheater before i got my 2 accounts banned on lichess now i have played about 5000 games on my third account and i dont cheat anymore Cheating never gave me the happiness that i got when i won games by myself.Just report them at the end of the day i am sure they will realise their mistake
I used to cheat a lot too. Especially in my early 20s, it seemed like everyone did. I'm around 2200 on lichess now and havent cheated in years but I always did it so i could improve my rating and play stronger opponents without cheating.
If you can't earn your way to facing stronger players, then you aren't good enough to be playing them, honestly. No matter how sincere or ambitious your reason form cheating, the fact is, that you were cheating, and you wasted time of people who actually respected the game. Not very fair, imho. Take care
I think these people are really just desperate to win rating points. I used to be so mad everytime I lost rating that I thought of cheating. But instead I just decided to play unrated games
Yeah, I encounter these sometimes too, after a while you start to sense you're playing a computer chip at the other end controlled by a not so bright individual. I just block these people now, you end up encountering more genuine humans after a while.
It's interesting watching your face change. Think about it though, some people's parents did not pass down this wisdom of honesty or it had been ignored. This just shows how privileged we are by being able to live our honest lives.
It's so worrying to see my beloved online friend and Guru Eric Rosen so emotionally distressed. God bless you in all your endeavours. Your humbleness humility is a lesson for humanity.
"and he's gonna mate me... but he's gonna think before he mates me. Yes. Okay." --- Yess i know the pain on lichess but this works every time with them.
2084 is an expert rating, miles away from International master. Some players think they can play any old garbage when the other player is lower rated, and when they lose they say he cheated.
Telltale sign of cheating is that, without making any mistakes, somehow all your pieces are inactive while all his pieces are perfectly placed for the attack.
Whenever somebody seems like they are cheating against me then I let the computer analyze. If he played perfectly then I check his other games to see if this was a fluke. If all are perfect, I report him to the lichess CIA (Cheating Investigation Association or smth)
Sounds like a good idea. But even for an engine, what does "play perfenctly" mean? No obvious tactical blunders? Watching Alpha0 play some 2900 rated engine, how the hell can you tell what is a good or bad move in a sharp position, even with a decent engine?
@@rogergeyer9851 "Perfect" in this context means "the same moves that the engine suggests". That's different from what AlphaZero does; it has a completely different style of play than a typical engine, more positional and less tactical. Usually a strong human player will make positional plays and lay traps, whereas an engine plays primarily to avoid the possibility of getting trapped.
Maybe people play a combination of computer moves and their own moves. When the play is flawless and the thinking time similar, very suspicious. The opposing player doesn't get the benefit of the extra thinking time too.
I am quite a strong chess player. But like many of the people within these comments, I made the mistake of playing Classical 15+15 on Lichess. After quite a long losing streak I went back and reviewed the games. To my surprise, the majority of moves my opponents made were Engine suggested. What should have tipped me off Is that they were all rated lower than me. Now I just go on Lichess for the puzzles
I still don't understand what's the point of cheating. If I play chess to have fun, why should I use an engine? First I wouldn't train my brain, second I wouldn't have fun. It is like watching someone playing instead of playing by myself
@@anonymoussecret5948: To learn? I love to watch strong players and learn, or watch something like Ben Finegold RUclips chess lectures. Even reviewing basic principles helps you play more consistently, IMO.
@@rogergeyer9851 OP said "It's [using an engine] is like watching someone else playing [...]." My comment was asking why OP is watching someone else play, not a general question to you or anyone else.
well, you do have a 1-0 record against magnus carlsen the world chess champion, so I suppose you probably know what you're talking about when you say this guy is a computer cheater.
Breh, it was a bullet game, there would have been no way for him to cheat. The meaning is the verbatim meaning of the comment. Not everything you read on the internet is written with the tone you read it in your head.
It just looked like the guy had nice developing moves. At 2:09 white was fully developed and black still had two bishops on the back rank, the queen rook just looked stupid and blacks pawns were not developed. Blacks white bishop was still trapped. Didn't look like white played any great moves until 12:14. That move was just a computer give away. There is no way a 1700 player would think of that.
why didnt pawn take queen at 12:03 ? then rook could have taken c7 if the pawn tried to advance. Neither bishops were threating a winning play. Basically giving him the material advantage and the possibility to clean up the board. and if bishop moved to d3 wouldnt the king be able to move to g8?
No he doesn't. After queen sac to rook and then capturing the white rook with check, white blocks check with rf1. Black cannot take with mate as white has a bishop defending f1. So your queen sac would lose you the game on the spot.
on move 26 he could do bd6 if he promotes to a queen take it if he does a random move to qf1 he has to take and then you tack his rook with your rook checkmate
10:24 I think the best move was rook e5, he cant kill knight with pawn cause he loose queen and he is forced to kill rook with bishop. What do you think about this idea?
Just last night I beat someone in the city who is a master 2250 and I destroyed him. Yesterday I also beat a 1900 rated player TWICE and I am 1591 rated. There was a spectator who was absolutely stunned. I have been doing over 30 tactic puzzles a day and 2 hours of study a day for months and playing in all the tournaments I can, and playing less blitz. Actually a strange feeling overcame me, like I started to understand chess just in the moments I was playing them. Like it was this hyperawareness that took hold of me. It was quite strange, it was like studying music and then all of a sudden you're composing a symphony. Crappy explanation but you get the point. A rating is just a number at the end of the day. You must have shoshin "a beginner's mind." The spectator told me, you can be a brilliant player, but that isn't always enough you must also play brilliant chess.
stupid cheater . If you are gonna cheat, be at least half-smart . a ) think more and make only very obvious / forced moves fast b ) do not make all the best computer moves , but throw in some suboptimal / errors . Keep the position almost even. c )If you get huge advantage, put some minor piece en prise . It looks very human . Even the greatest grandmasters do that once in a while d ) get decisive advantage in endgame , but dont play it perfect .
Not the same. An IQ is you vs the test, an inanimate object, whereas chess is you versus another individual, so there's that pleasure of showing that individual that they're not as good as they perhaps think they are.
@@matthewviramontes3131 ya but u get the pleasure of showing ppl that u got a higher IQ score than someone else when in fact u really didn't earn it and u r full of shit.
It’s hysterical that he took the time for mate. It’s as if he’s naturally a 500 rated player and so he doesn’t even notice mate when it’s blatantly obvious. If I were using an engine I would’ve saw that, and wouldn’t have even made the engine make a last move, I would’ve just mated. It was obvious though throughout, granted, the video was titled that he was a cheater, so I expected the moves. But when he took the c pawn, I was like yeah. This guys a cheater lol. And I’m only rated around 900
You’re a nice person, Eric, I like the way you take this even when he’s cheating , in my opinion I just play blitz, obviously this doesn’t happens, but fortunately I don’t like classic games
David: But blitz, IMO, is a COMPLETELY different game than slow, serious chess. Obviously there's a correlation between playing strength and performance at blitz, but it's almost all tactics and instinct in blitz. To me the fun of chess is the planning and the strategy. When I was a kid and played a serious game, I would have the game memorized after the game, due to the logic of the flow and what happened. To me, blitz is just totally different and MUCH less satisfying. It's a shame if cheaters take away the fun of serious, strategic, contemplative chess online.
How come that white's clock at the 6:44 minute:second marks says "19:55" .. and then 10 seconds later at the 6:55 minute mark he has 20:02 minutes left on his clock??? Is it supposed to be like that? Is it something the players have agreed upon as a rule?? Or..??..?.?.
I am gonna play this line as white in the Budapest. I think a4 was the mistake but I can see it being played. White got so active too bad its an engine ;(
IDK SF had a bunch of other first ten moves for white. Taking the pawn and e3 necessary. Ne4 pretty obvious, to attack loose piece - not Computer best. f4 to chase N while Computer likes Qd5. Blacks Ra6 and Bf8 very weak and after chasing N to 3rd rank the rook lift was just 2 (4 with a5a4) wasted moves.
Before playing Bb4 ,you could have sacrificed the queen by Qxc4 bxc4 gxh5 and the game now is playable 🌚 And if he met Qxc4 with moves like Qe5 then simply you can play Qxf7 and there is no way you can get checkmate because you have bishop f8 and queen on f7
I'm glad Lichess blocked him. However he probably just started another identity. Or he's just running away with it on chess. com. They don't seem to care. It's ICC all the way for any serious player, until then it's Lichess.
When I was 13, I cheated with an engine. Then I realized how stupid I was and stopped. My point is, I've seen grown men do this. How pathetic can you be? His username was fitting though.
I wonder if there is a engine out there that is actually human like but able to beat 2200+ with a 40% chance... Would never be able to detect that ever.
GamePlayRaja Sure, you can always turn down an engine’s skill level. It would be like playing a computer on a level lower than 10. This is another reason why detecting cheaters is so difficult. Cheaters can also use a combo of their own moves and the engine’s moves, making detection a lot more difficult.
@@GSBroker No, AI game play is statistically very similar to that of human's (when the skill level is fixed). If there were algorithms which played very differently compared to humans of the same strength, we could detect it with reasonably high probability. But that's not the case. There are currently no reliable tools for detecting cheating of any kind (whether it's optimal or sub-optimal cheating).
@@calvinjohn2105 No, I 100% disagree. Weakened engines play really strong moves for a given number of turns and then they inexplicably hang a piece or ignore something very obvious. They don't make human mistakes. It's like you're playing a really good opponent but then they give you a piece out of pity.
@@GSBroker You're absolutely wrong. I cheat at lichess every day. I have more than 3 accounts there. I test very sophisticated engine that can simulate human play. One account achieved more than 2600 ELO in blitz and more than 2500 ELO in bullet. I have THOUSANDS of games on that account. I was NEVER accused of cheating. If I play against much stronger opponents (IMs, GMs) they are able to outplay my engine. Sometimes they are able to destroy it. You describe chessmaster engine behavior. Yes if you use these kind of stupid engines, someone can spot, that maybe you are using one. But if you are careful and know how lichess spot cheaters and use very good engine, then lichess will NEVER be able to catch you. NO my accounts have been accused of cheating and NO my accounts have been banned. I will always cheat at lichess and I am pretty sure I will be able to cheat there many years without getting banned. I will play another thousands of games without getting banned. DEAL WITH IT. You are only stupid man who don't know how to cheat at chess effectively. That's all.
That guy was DEFINITELY using the Chess engine! I know this because I just used the Chess app and used the computer analysis on moves and try to follow along his patterns. That means I looked at the chess moves that the engine was suggesting, and he played all of them! In fact, the engine noticed you made a few blunders, and that's how he managed to crush you. And to be honest, I've been using this kind of engine myself just to beat the computer several times, so I think I've noticed the patterns.
That idea doesn’t work because he can just retreat the rook and it’s guarded by the bishop, I thought the same thing at first had to stare at the screen for a minute.
He is not cheating, he has a really good gaming chair
Siim Koppel that explains so much, thank you mate :D
but can it do _this_
And a gaming mouse.
@@ptbcf4966 isnt that minecraft meme XD
Wow this is so funny guy, how did you think of such a funny thing to write on youtube all on your own?
Man, engines are pretty good at chess
Just imagine someone building a mechanical chess engine lol!
Engines have been pretty good at chess for about 25-30 years now.
@@geometricart7851 man, you are pretty good at not picking up jokes
RAAAR
@@gabington8990 GO BEN
Yeah average 10s for really strong moves and knowing the best moves against this type of gambit at 1700 is a giant red flag, such a shame that cheaters always ruin the fun of online games
It baffles me why people cheat in games
Cheaters in online chess is a Shame.
I actually played one yesterday, coincidentally. I went through his last 3 games, and one of them had a 100% best move, on a 30+ move game.
I don't really get the point of cheating, how that can be good for people? I am learning and I get crushed most of times, but I play myself! stupid selfish people
@@cohatch1 they're destroying the game we all know and love...
Eric: "..at least he is thinking"
Cheater : *went to kitchen to make himself a coffee...
Then he went oh no my queen for the classics two bishop mate
"He's gonna mate me, but he's going to think before he mates me" LMAO
As if the move metronome wasn't flagrant enough. Sorry about your horrible luck facing this guy and suprememonk in the same tournament.
I love it when they think before the obvious move. Like when promoting a pawn to a Queen or also giving mate. Humans we follow a line of thought so we can move fast if we have already calculated the forcing moves. But cheaters... they don't even understand what the computer is trying to do...
not always buddy..i am 1900 player and many time i waste alot of time finding obvious move like taking hanging queen or pin the queen to the king with my bishop..so its not always the case
As a class A USCF player (1900ish ELO, when I played rated tourneys actively), I've run into a LOT of this over the years. Even back in the days where the network was mostly BBS systems, before the internet got big.
I even had players, after a few minute pause, suddenly morph from being, say 1300 players, to masters. They could not discuss ANYTHING about the game, even in a totally drawn endgame like opposite colored bishops with no serious imbalances. All they could do was say "move" and slavishly follow their engine.
Now, friends tell me in serious tourneys like the annual World Open in Philly, that they monitor for cell phones in bathrooms, due to cheating.
I love computers and even have written a couple of interesting chess programs, but all the cheating is really sad and takes away from the fun, IMO.
if I see a good move I always wait recalculate. look at something else and now look back to see if the move is actually what I want to do. seems reasonable to spend a little time since he still has most of his time remaining.
Lasker said '' when you have a good move look for the great move"
@@mikehunt7810 Yeah nah if you are 1 minute in the endgame with king and 2 pawns you are not looking for great moves anymore.
I had already told in the beginning of the game, u said I was too pessimistic :(
Haha
How did you know he was gonna cheat??
@@RBG9000 Probably he played against cheater earlier
Plot twist: Aniket Bramhankar is Crapbasket.
Omg, it’s you! 😂
>takes 5 seconds to think of GM level moves
>takes 5 seconds to find mate in 1
edit: spelling
To be fair mate in 1 is pretty gm level
Thankfully im too low rated to get paired with engine cheats haha!
Random: I'm just a random 1900ish ELO player (or I was when I played OTB tourneys a lot). I've had people suddenly saddle up and use an engine mid game -- COMPLETELY changing speed, strength, move style, etc. And they couldn't discuss ANYTHING about the position when it was a dead draw (I was winning when they switched) -- all they could do was say "move" and follow what the engine did.
Pathetic. It can happen to anyone.
@@rogergeyer9851 Since when is 1900ish a low rating?
I don’t bother with standard online chess anymore.
You say that, but there are 1100 that use engines.
Random Brown Guy same, 800
Eric: I'm playing the Budhapest...Opponent: I'm playing Le Stockfish
report to lichess
you ll get your rating points back
raJzt Sharma how to report to lichess?
But this was in a tournament, so it's not quite so straightforward. There's the time he's lost playing this cheater that he can't get back, and imagine if he'd come third (obviously the cheater wins), but then maybe the points he would win would be enough to bump him from 3rd to 2nd place (and hence winner once the cheater was DQ'd) What then?
@@DeShark88 Sorry for bumping this but I know what would happen. The game is treated as if it didnt happen in regards to the tournament but your rating would change. The Chess Network had this happen in one of his tournaments resulting in him winning if my memory is correct
@@Spudge yeah you get your rating points back, but it could cause you to not win the tournament!
for his terrible handling of this opening he should get no points returned...LOL
That guy is engineous 🤣😂
😂😂😂
Everyone has blundered mate in one, when there's 10 mating variations.
Eric is such a good person. Not once did he say the word cheater himself even when he knew exactly what was going on.
Hes ready to sacrifice his soul to teach you a chess lesson, this man is very empathic !
Genius cmnt
So generous
"Have I ever blundered mate in 1"
*JoannaTries enters the chat*
I'm surprised this video didnt get age restricted for inappropriate content. That was disgusting!
That's why many like bullet timing more because there is no time to use engine in that case.
its still possible but requires some basic knowledge in programming/scripting.
There are cheaters in bullet chess too i have faced some i am 2000 on lichess but i dont know how do they cheat lichess has notified me about 2-3 times that i played a cheater and refunded me points
AD Hacking Productions. bots definitely otherwise it's imposible to play bullet.im no cheater but i blunder in bullet all the time can't imagine how a person can use a engine alongside
There are 1s engines
Well to be honest he only lost 10 seconds
i think that guy is going to become a grandmaster one day
a GM in engineusing that is....
@@WorkDayPegasus basically maurice ashley
@@RBG9000 why tf is that
@@brucexu313 he has multiple engines installed in his forehead
@@RBG9000 Yep.
He got reported and can't play in any rated games any more xD Cheaters usually don't even know what to do, most players would go for the obvious pawn promotion but like a cheater, they look at the engine and sees it's M in a number and they just follow the line and win, good thing Lichess has a really good cheater detector.
They also ban not cheating players.
Been cheating for years and never caught
Titanium Hearts Loft shame on you dude
I cheat just to make everyone think I'm Magnus or any other GM being mischievous while shrouded in anonymity. I'm sure it makes their day, and mine as well to bring joy by crushing everyone XD.
@@anthony1003 fucking loser
His name is "crapbasket" what did you expect !!!
His engine is probably running a Carlsen
10:56 1700s would probably take much more time in calculations before leaving one rook at the back rank while there's queen and rook battery. Yes I see the white bishop but It would take time to calculate if you can mate white before you as black get's mated.
video would be more enjoyable if you showed analysis of your investigation into cheating
he was in a tournament, its not that hard to see for yourself 10 seconds per move. very good difficult moves made quickly and the easiest obvious moves not taken right away
No analysis is needed. It's self-evident
He's probably saying that because he got points refunded for losing to a cheater.
"at least he's thinking"
yeah, right...
makes me upset when a player, who is nowhere near as skilled as an IM, has the guts to cheat against one. Like, you're making these pretty amazing moves and finishing the game with about as much time as you started with... hmmmm. Definitely not obvious. >.>
It upsets me less when I realize how poorly it reflects on their intelligence lol.
Maybe Carlsen decided to troll Rosen.
+Internet Analytics
So smart my boi
That guy sits around at a tournament watching the engine play humans. So pathetic!
Wow, that computer was obviously a cheater
I think it's just Magnus playing and he got his new gaming glasses.
I get the joke, but the ironic thing is, even Magnus has been trolled by these engine cheaters before.
12:09 that's actually amazing. I was so confused at why the queen wasn't taken. Didn't even realize the king can't move to g8 cause of the pawn.
Back when I played, I was rated 1800 and I would not have found all of those moves and most certainly not in less than 10 seconds each. Super obvious cheater.
"at least he's thinking"
_is he?_
I missed a mate in one, and then went on to lose. It still haunts me as it would have been a smothered mate playing the King's Gambit FeelsBadMan
I reproduce the black moves with droidfish, the comupter reproduce exactly the same moves as the white there...
This is why I hate playing classical games on lichess, cheating happens now and then and it really sucks
Oliver: OTOH, as a kid in the 70's, I could only play OTB, and had to beg rides to other cities, etc. to play in decent tournies, as there were only so many local ones.
The technology of the internet is fantastic and a wonderful advantage, even if certain jerks cheat. Maybe to appreciate that, you had to grow up decades before the internet was "a thing".
10:50 rook e5 was a great move
No, it's a bad move. White takes Knight with Queen, can't take back because of Bishop pin on King.
isnt #3 suprememonk a cheater too?
I cheated on one game in my life and I felt like an asshole for weeks after. I don't know how these guys do it.
They are cocksuckers. Thats why. If you feel shame while doing somethin bad, means ur actually not a bad person. But those suckers dont feel their shame, thats why they are suckers.
Yanis Okamisensei pussys
I enjoyed cheating and crushing people everyday until I got banned
@@thegoat-ishere4414 A true definition of a goat. At lest you admit it!
The cheep and goat may look alike on the "outside" but not of the same spirit. Obviously.
At least it is getting more easy to spot the goats and stay away.
Online cheating is a big pest that will never be erradicated
Ajedrez Para Novatos ma man usin fancy words
da duude erradicated isnt a fancy word lol
I suspect eventually the big sites will have cheat detectors that will even be able to tell which engine a cheater used.
Bro i know u , u upload that master class video , great thanks to u
@@thomasmartin4091 not every cheater dumbly plays the best engine suggestion on every move. they may play suboptimal moves from time to time when the difference isn't that big. and honest players can also play engine moves, and they do. now what percentage do we consider to be a red flag, 95%, 87.5%? every threshold will be arbitrary. you need to balance the risk of flagging honest players as cheaters. detecting cheaters isn't a trivial task. like with shoplifters, it's the dumbest and least skillful ones that get caught.
Whenever Eric leans in and bites his lip you know shits goin down 😂😂
These guys using computer all the time will get banned and i am sure they will learn their lessons I was also a cheater before i got my 2 accounts banned on lichess now i have played about 5000 games on my third account and i dont cheat anymore Cheating never gave me the happiness that i got when i won games by myself.Just report them at the end of the day i am sure they will realise their mistake
The mistake with that comment is the assumption that Cheats actually give a crap about the game of Chess.
I used to cheat a lot too. Especially in my early 20s, it seemed like everyone did. I'm around 2200 on lichess now and havent cheated in years but I always did it so i could improve my rating and play stronger opponents without cheating.
If you can't earn your way to facing stronger players, then you aren't good enough to be playing them, honestly. No matter how sincere or ambitious your reason form cheating, the fact is, that you were cheating, and you wasted time of people who actually respected the game. Not very fair, imho. Take care
I tought for a second this guy was trolling
I think these people are really just desperate to win rating points. I used to be so mad everytime I lost rating that I thought of cheating. But instead I just decided to play unrated games
thats why i only play blitz.....everyone is suspicious
Yeah, I encounter these sometimes too, after a while you start to sense you're playing a computer chip at the other end controlled by a not so bright individual.
I just block these people now, you end up encountering more genuine humans after a while.
It's interesting watching your face change. Think about it though, some people's parents did not pass down this wisdom of honesty or it had been ignored.
This just shows how privileged we are by being able to live our honest lives.
On the bright side, that was a very artistic refutation by the machine.
It's so worrying to see my beloved online friend and Guru Eric Rosen so emotionally distressed. God bless you in all your endeavours. Your humbleness humility is a lesson for humanity.
"and he's gonna mate me... but he's gonna think before he mates me. Yes. Okay." --- Yess i know the pain on lichess but this works every time with them.
And look at the standings SupremeMonk is waiting
2084 is an expert rating, miles away from International master. Some players think they can play any old garbage when the other player is lower rated, and when they lose they say he cheated.
Telltale sign of cheating is that, without making any mistakes, somehow all your pieces are inactive while all his pieces are perfectly placed for the attack.
that engine should really play professional
He is not thinking... it is processing
Whenever somebody seems like they are cheating against me then I let the computer analyze. If he played perfectly then I check his other games to see if this was a fluke. If all are perfect, I report him to the lichess CIA (Cheating Investigation Association or smth)
Sounds like a good idea. But even for an engine, what does "play perfenctly" mean? No obvious tactical blunders? Watching Alpha0 play some 2900 rated engine, how the hell can you tell what is a good or bad move in a sharp position, even with a decent engine?
@@rogergeyer9851 "Perfect" in this context means "the same moves that the engine suggests". That's different from what AlphaZero does; it has a completely different style of play than a typical engine, more positional and less tactical. Usually a strong human player will make positional plays and lay traps, whereas an engine plays primarily to avoid the possibility of getting trapped.
Cheat on cod battlefield csgo but chess? How low can u go lmao
ayebrahletsksate not even battlefield/cs. GTA is the only game I understand cheating in
Your opponent may have been 1700 but his engine was 2500.
Maybe people play a combination of computer moves and their own moves. When the play is flawless and the thinking time similar, very suspicious. The opposing player doesn't get the benefit of the extra thinking time too.
I am quite a strong chess player. But like many of the people within these comments, I made the mistake of playing Classical 15+15 on Lichess. After quite a long losing streak I went back and reviewed the games. To my surprise, the majority of moves my opponents made were Engine suggested. What should have tipped me off Is that they were all rated lower than me. Now I just go on Lichess for the puzzles
If there is two people working together, with tech, it is undetectable, they could be holding up cards with best moves.
I still don't understand what's the point of cheating. If I play chess to have fun, why should I use an engine? First I wouldn't train my brain, second I wouldn't have fun. It is like watching someone playing instead of playing by myself
Then why are you watching him play chess lol
Chess engines are fun. But against each other not human lol. Carles is a engine type human and even he needs 15 seconds to fish for best moves.
They do it for internet points!
@@anonymoussecret5948: To learn? I love to watch strong players and learn, or watch something like Ben Finegold RUclips chess lectures. Even reviewing basic principles helps you play more consistently, IMO.
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OP said "It's [using an engine] is like watching someone else playing [...]." My comment was asking why OP is watching someone else play, not a general question to you or anyone else.
I checked lichess and this user (crapbasket) officially uses an engine it's on the profile of this user
well, you do have a 1-0 record against magnus carlsen the world chess champion, so I suppose you probably know what you're talking about when you say this guy is a computer cheater.
happens every day to me and a million other chess players
erm.. What about that was snide?
You are clearly insinuating that Eric cheated against carlsen. You can act naive but those words don't construe any other meaning.
Breh, it was a bullet game, there would have been no way for him to cheat. The meaning is the verbatim meaning of the comment. Not everything you read on the internet is written with the tone you read it in your head.
@@zepeterinma I apologise.
It just looked like the guy had nice developing moves. At 2:09 white was fully developed and black still had two bishops on the back rank, the queen rook just looked stupid and blacks pawns were not developed. Blacks white bishop was still trapped. Didn't look like white played any great moves until 12:14. That move was just a computer give away. There is no way a 1700 player would think of that.
why didnt pawn take queen at 12:03 ? then rook could have taken c7 if the pawn tried to advance. Neither bishops were threating a winning play. Basically giving him the material advantage and the possibility to clean up the board. and if bishop moved to d3 wouldnt the king be able to move to g8?
Eric had a checkmate when the rookie went up and took the horse. Sack the queen with his rook to land.
No he doesn't. After queen sac to rook and then capturing the white rook with check, white blocks check with rf1. Black cannot take with mate as white has a bishop defending f1. So your queen sac would lose you the game on the spot.
Someone warned you in chat at the start...!
on move 26 he could do bd6 if he promotes to a queen take it if he does a random move to qf1 he has to take and then you tack his rook with your rook checkmate
Eric you can take his bishop with queen, then take his queen.
Eric should have given a check in 23rd move. Qe3 to Qe1 it would have easily mated white. Eric did not see this move.
no, Qe1 and then white plays Rc1, its not a mate
Doesn’t play blitz but was blitzing every best engine move there was 😂
10:24 I think the best move was rook e5, he cant kill knight with pawn cause he loose queen and he is forced to kill rook with bishop. What do you think about this idea?
Queen takes knight g6 because the pawn is pinned by the bishop
Just last night I beat someone in the city who is a master 2250 and I destroyed him. Yesterday I also beat a 1900 rated player TWICE and I am 1591 rated. There was a spectator who was absolutely stunned. I have been doing over 30 tactic puzzles a day and 2 hours of study a day for months and playing in all the tournaments I can, and playing less blitz. Actually a strange feeling overcame me, like I started to understand chess just in the moments I was playing them. Like it was this hyperawareness that took hold of me. It was quite strange, it was like studying music and then all of a sudden you're composing a symphony. Crappy explanation but you get the point. A rating is just a number at the end of the day. You must have shoshin "a beginner's mind." The spectator told me, you can be a brilliant player, but that isn't always enough you must also play brilliant chess.
And then you woke up...
100% cheater, but Eric didn't play the best "anticheater" moves.
I think that's why he said he wished he played a different opening. Although if the engine was strong enough, it wouldn't have mattered anyway
Alt Title : Eric Rosen vs Engines
stupid cheater . If you are gonna cheat, be at least half-smart .
a ) think more and make only very obvious / forced moves fast
b ) do not make all the best computer moves , but throw in some suboptimal / errors . Keep the position almost even.
c )If you get huge advantage, put some minor piece en prise . It looks very human . Even the greatest grandmasters do that once in a while
d ) get decisive advantage in endgame , but dont play it perfect .
Cheating in chess is like cheating on an IQ test cuz u feel like you are too embarrassed for being stupid.
Not the same. An IQ is you vs the test, an inanimate object, whereas chess is you versus another individual, so there's that pleasure of showing that individual that they're not as good as they perhaps think they are.
@@matthewviramontes3131 ya but u get the pleasure of showing ppl that u got a higher IQ score than someone else when in fact u really didn't earn it and u r full of shit.
It’s hysterical that he took the time for mate. It’s as if he’s naturally a 500 rated player and so he doesn’t even notice mate when it’s blatantly obvious. If I were using an engine I would’ve saw that, and wouldn’t have even made the engine make a last move, I would’ve just mated. It was obvious though throughout, granted, the video was titled that he was a cheater, so I expected the moves. But when he took the c pawn, I was like yeah. This guys a cheater lol. And I’m only rated around 900
I think if you're cheating, you're preoccupied and not paying attention to the game
You’re a nice person, Eric, I like the way you take this even when he’s cheating , in my opinion I just play blitz, obviously this doesn’t happens, but fortunately I don’t like classic games
David: But blitz, IMO, is a COMPLETELY different game than slow, serious chess.
Obviously there's a correlation between playing strength and performance at blitz, but it's almost all tactics and instinct in blitz. To me the fun of chess is the planning and the strategy.
When I was a kid and played a serious game, I would have the game memorized after the game, due to the logic of the flow and what happened. To me, blitz is just totally different and MUCH less satisfying.
It's a shame if cheaters take away the fun of serious, strategic, contemplative chess online.
I am quite new to chess. Can someone please tell that why in the endgame he couldnt take queen with pawn on the 6-7file.
bishop d3 is mate
How come that white's clock at the 6:44 minute:second marks says "19:55" .. and then 10 seconds later at the 6:55 minute mark he has 20:02 minutes left on his clock??? Is it supposed to be like that? Is it something the players have agreed upon as a rule?? Or..??..?.?.
They were playing with a 10 sec increment (basicallyadds 10 sec every time you move), but Eric berserked. When you berserk, you lose the increment.
Isn't it pretty obvious they gain 10 seconds per move?
I am gonna play this line as white in the Budapest. I think a4 was the mistake but I can see it being played. White got so active too bad its an engine ;(
IDK SF had a bunch of other first ten moves for white. Taking the pawn and e3 necessary. Ne4 pretty obvious, to attack loose piece - not Computer best. f4 to chase N while Computer likes Qd5. Blacks Ra6 and Bf8 very weak and after chasing N to 3rd rank the rook lift was just 2 (4 with a5a4) wasted moves.
Yes computers should be honest.
Too strong moves... but i would have played dxc7
Someone told me my car has a pretty good engine... I should try to teach it chess one day
Hi is not a cheater. A Grandmaster is sitting besides him.
At 7:52, couldn’t he do Bishop C6 & take pawn. Then do pawn D6. Then Bishop H3 for essentially checkmate?
Dxc7 while not too difficult too spot is some highhh level thinking to spot in 10 seconds 😂
Before playing Bb4 ,you could have sacrificed the queen by Qxc4 bxc4 gxh5 and the game now is playable 🌚
And if he met Qxc4 with moves like Qe5 then simply you can play Qxf7 and there is no way you can get checkmate because you have bishop f8 and queen on f7
Queen h8 buddy :)
this is one of the top eric moments
Sad that you cant have an anti cheat for chess
I'm glad Lichess blocked him. However he probably just started another identity. Or he's just running away with it on chess. com. They don't seem to care. It's ICC all the way for any serious player, until then it's Lichess.
you just left a lot of chances to defend yourself ...
When I was 13, I cheated with an engine. Then I realized how stupid I was and stopped. My point is, I've seen grown men do this. How pathetic can you be? His username was fitting though.
I get GM's or something at 1000 and I really wonder about it. That's why I watch 4 years old videos.
soon as this dude saw eric was streaming he probably "crapped" himself ;)
Hahahahahaha
Eric has two videos on losing to cheaters. In this one he plays one, while the other cheater sits at third place
I really hate chess engines, I think the only people who should have access to them are the companies who create them.
I wonder if there is a engine out there that is actually human like but able to beat 2200+ with a 40% chance... Would never be able to detect that ever.
GamePlayRaja Sure, you can always turn down an engine’s skill level. It would be like playing a computer on a level lower than 10. This is another reason why detecting cheaters is so difficult. Cheaters can also use a combo of their own moves and the engine’s moves, making detection a lot more difficult.
@@calvinjohn2105 Engines that lower their level still play very differently compared to humans.
@@GSBroker No, AI game play is statistically very similar to that of human's (when the skill level is fixed). If there were algorithms which played very differently compared to humans of the same strength, we could detect it with reasonably high probability. But that's not the case. There are currently no reliable tools for detecting cheating of any kind (whether it's optimal or sub-optimal cheating).
@@calvinjohn2105 No, I 100% disagree. Weakened engines play really strong moves for a given number of turns and then they inexplicably hang a piece or ignore something very obvious. They don't make human mistakes. It's like you're playing a really good opponent but then they give you a piece out of pity.
@@GSBroker You're absolutely wrong. I cheat at lichess every day. I have more than 3 accounts there. I test very sophisticated engine that can simulate human play. One account achieved more than 2600 ELO in blitz and more than 2500 ELO in bullet. I have THOUSANDS of games on that account. I was NEVER accused of cheating. If I play against much stronger opponents (IMs, GMs) they are able to outplay my engine. Sometimes they are able to destroy it. You describe chessmaster engine behavior. Yes if you use these kind of stupid engines, someone can spot, that maybe you are using one. But if you are careful and know how lichess spot cheaters and use very good engine, then lichess will NEVER be able to catch you. NO my accounts have been accused of cheating and NO my accounts have been banned. I will always cheat at lichess and I am pretty sure I will be able to cheat there many years without getting banned. I will play another thousands of games without getting banned. DEAL WITH IT. You are only stupid man who don't know how to cheat at chess effectively. That's all.
That guy was DEFINITELY using the Chess engine! I know this because I just used the Chess app and used the computer analysis on moves and try to follow along his patterns. That means I looked at the chess moves that the engine was suggesting, and he played all of them! In fact, the engine noticed you made a few blunders, and that's how he managed to crush you.
And to be honest, I've been using this kind of engine myself just to beat the computer several times, so I think I've noticed the patterns.
10:54 queen to e1 when he takes with rook, rook takes rook check, then bishop g3 which you can take and its a checkmate. You could win.
That idea doesn’t work because he can just retreat the rook and it’s guarded by the bishop, I thought the same thing at first had to stare at the screen for a minute.