5:48 I love how, for the lightning resistant enemies, theres: - Draconic tree sentinels, yep makes sense - Ancient dragons, yeah that's their thing - Beastmen, yeah they're very close to the ancient dragons - And boat man
For some reason, Placidusax's Lightning negation isn't any higher than their other elemental negations. Their technically not considered an Ancient Dragon either, so stuff like Dragonwound Grease doesn't effect them either.
I ran a holy build, incantations, holy weapons, holy infused weapons, etc The only time I actually stopped using holy damage was against the final boss, 80 holy resistance
I'm trying to make a paladin type build using holy incantations but idk what incantations and weapons would be really good and fit the theme can you give some advice?
@@HalcyonEX I pretty much did this for new game plus so I had access to many holy items once I started since you have access to so many of them mid to late game You could switch between the Golden Order and Erdtree seals I used many incantations like discus of light, Radagon's rings of light, triple rings of light, Law of regression to remove poison/scarlet rot (tho that requires a lot of intelligence), erdtree heal, Golden Vow, etc (Sometimes Elden Stars, they're not powerful but fun to use) Holy Weapons: Coded Sword, Golden Order Greatsword, Cipher Pata, all 3 Envoy Horns, the Crucible knight's Greatsword, Great Club, the scythe used by Cleanrot Knights, Marika's Hammer, Sacred Relic Sword, etc Ashes of War for ordinary weapons: Sacred blade, Golden Land, or adding the sacred affinity Talismans: Sacred Scorpion Charm, flock's canvas talisman, the rest are your choice Crystal Tear: Holy Shrouding Cracked Tear, Faith Knot Crystal Tear I used many of the incantations listed, but when it came to weapons, I used a Zweihander with Golden Land, The Golden Order Greatsword as it was great for knocking enemies down, the Envoy Longhorn to take down giant bosses (Killed Placidusax is about 15 seconds) Holy damage isn't great but it's so fun to use, I hope it gets more love in the DLC
@@HalcyonEXyou might have to take a dip into intelligence but if you do you can get access to the golden order incantations like Golden Rings of Light and Discus of Light, which are all holy incantations
I've used it recently and is ridiculous, 800+ damage for 3 fp hello ? Top 10 incantationsif not better for sure golden order seal is also soo underrated, i Guess is due to almost nobody going for a faith inteligence build
I know that the devs will be releasing patch notes after the dlc drops, so maybe they can look into adjusting pre existing holy weapons, skills, incantations, etc(basically holy damage in general). It’s sad that holy damage is as bad as it is(considering it is used by the same God that rules over the lands between).
Well looking at those spells that are so strong, discus and hammer, relic sword maybe and the bubbles, maybe they are the reason why holy is so nerfed.
Something i find odd is that while holy damage is bad, destined death is so good.. while if you didnt know destined death is coded as holy damage and (at least the black blade incantation) is in fact buffable by things like the holy scorpion talisman
@@RougeMephilesClonewell honestly they should, they should be adjusting scaling mistakes based on their given lore when they are found rather than just letting them be in the game. It makes no sense. Spells can have many different damage types which is fine but sorcerers only really having magic is just completely dumb, while faith has every type of damage in the game. Int/fth is also practically impossible given fromsoftwares negligence when designing it and the weapons around it. Elden Rings weapons are a bit of a mess sometimes
To me, holy damage has been a means of complimenting my flame art weapons on faith build. For example, volcano manor's lizard men and fire giant are resistant to fire, so I used coded sword on them.
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Holy is perfectly capable of beating the game and easily. The fact that it is less optimal, especially for the last few bosses, isn't a big deal. Less optimal still gets the job done. You'd think with how many different holy weapons/builds have been used to beat the game, people would realize this. The only time I would advise against holy would be if you were having extreme trouble on the last bosses. In that case, you might want to switch, but if people can beat the game at level 1, you can beat it with holy damage.
I think you don't understand the main question. The question is not can you beat the game with pure Holy damage? but rather: Why should i use Holy damage when you can use stuff like Phys, Magic, Fire & Lightning damage instead? Why should i use an element that feels like 80% of all bosses & enemies have a high resistant to?
@BirdWithAKnife345 this is something that a lot of people fail to conceptualize in this community. "I think this move is unfair due to X, Y, Z." "Well chud, didn't you know that Mr Streamer beat that boss with his feet while blindfolded? Therefore, it is flawless and all of its moves are fair." You see it everywhere
@@BirdWithAKnife345Answering the question, “why use holy damage over other options?” It’s a freaking game, and it’s supposed to be fun. Why use it? Well, because you can, for whatever reason. Do you like the weapon styles? Like the incantation animations? Cosplay, roleplay, whatever. The game gives so many options, and not everyone wants to run around spamming Rivers of Blood, Ancient Dragon Lightning Strike or Comet Azur
@BirdWithAKnife345 No one is saying that holy is fine simply because you can beat the game with it. They are saying its perceived weakness is exaggerated. Personally, I think holy should be buffed as it IS the weakest damage type, but that doesn't mean it is impossible to play the game with holy damage. People do not need to be scared of using holy weapons or spells. Holy's reputation makes players afraid to try it. That is the major issue. Play what you enjoy, of course. If you want to try it, do so, and if you don't like it, switch to something else. While there are limited respecs, this isn't DS1. You can swap a fair bit. I planned on a dex build for my first playthrough and ended up int/dex. My second was strength/faith, and that worked out. My third, I was finally going to be pure dex and ended up arcane. My most recent build has been int/faith using many of the golden order holy spells. We can hope holy gets some buffs, but even so, nearly everything is viable.
Little off topic BUT: I very recently did a faith only build and it was one of the most fun runs I've ever had in this game. I had Cipher Pata and Coded Sword incase I ran out of FP but I almost never ran out. Swapping to fire, lightning, physical, holy incantations and magic when I used a mimic tear helmet with the blue dragon spells made the build insanely versatile for just leveling 1 damage stat. Coded sword is also amazing against enemies that block constantly. Being able to buff stack and debuff enemies was also amazing cause I end up just tanking and spamming dragonmaw on enemies like Godfrey who does only physical so black flame protection, golden vow and greyoll's roar made dragonmaw spam safe to do for a minute. Now more on topic: The holy weapons are also fantastic as the clips here showed, bubble greathammer, Elden Beast sword, Coded sword, cleanrot knight scythe so on and you can still use things like Blasphemous blade which is a whole other monster. Siluria's tree is straight up my favorite weapon in the game just for the ash of war alone. You don't need to restrict yourself to a single damage type and Faith builds are incredibly strong/versatile. 8:40 I do agree with damage typings being weird. Lightning affinity weapons doesn't have a faith counterpart but fire does with strength for some reason which is new to fromsoft. I guess they wanted dex and str to have at least 1 elemental damage type because weapons by default will be more restrictive compared to equipping incants/spells which allows for great customization. They gave every damage stat at least 2 damage types which I'll list: Str has physical and fire, Dex has physical and lightning, Faith has fire and holy, int has only magic but cold is status damage, arcane has physical and status damage. My guess is they didn't want to give faith a 3rd damage stat when it comes to weapon affinities. As for int/fth holy incantations they could "fix" it by making them ignore half or close to half of an enemy's holy negation stat. They seems like high investment but no real gain.
I really hope they add more int/faith weapons/spells in the DLC. The golden order seal is so damn powerful, I just need another weapon besides the sword of night and flame
The main thing I think that stands out is what the game considers "Weak" and "Resistant". I think 40% absorption is essentially considered the "baseline" for most bosses. 20% absorption is "weak" (the game says Night's cavalry is weak to lightning, they have 20% lightning absorption), and 80% is "Resistant" Holy is an incredibly well designed and fleshed out damage type with more support than any dark souls series miracle build other than like, lightning spears in ds1 and ds2. The problem always just boils down to the big heavy hitter endgame bosses having that 80% absorption
Lightning spears from dark souls is lightning in elden ring (faith + weapons scale with Dex ex. Bolt of gransaxx/dragon kings cragblade). Holy is badly designed the incantions are int/faith but the weapons aren’t. Bad synergy + there’s barely any holy incantations compared to other types
for me in elden ring most disappointing weapon golden order great sword if it work same like darkmoon great sword it might be very good but instead they choose throw gogs to thrash can its make me very sad
From my experience with the siluria tree at 40 str and 20 faith i was hitting radagon for around the same damage of a straight sword. Yes holy damage is hot trash
I definitely think that with the DLC taking place in a land that's been ravaged by Marika, holy damage will be considerably better than in the base game. There's almost no demigods that we know of that could have a Great Rune (save for Miquella and maybe Godwyn or Messmer), so I doubt most required bosses will be very resistant to it.
IDC about resists. I just like how holy skills look. You're telling me, I can Tron my way through the game, throwing disks of holy energy from 100 feet away? Sign me up. You're telling me, my ass can be holy and I can AOE ass slam my way through the game? Sign me up. You're telling me, I can shoot waves of holy energy to do 100 damage to whoever is in front of me? I like waves, sign me up.
I'm just saying man, the first half of the video made holy damage sound whatever, than the 2nd half of the video almost makes me wanna not use holy damage ever again.
I think Holy is definitely overlooked too much, the amount of damage the ring spells put out is hilarious for their cost. Discus of light is an absolute workhorse, and radagons rings just nukes rooms. I feel like all the buffs they got were to compensate for higher resistant enemies late game, but in general play they definitely feel like they pack a bit harder a punch than your average spell
Debatably, if you are going for efficiency you would just get as high physical damage as you can and then buff/infuse your weapon with whatever the boss you're fighting is weak to. Which, most of the time, the answer is going to be bleed.
Godwyn was like the pinnacle of holiness in the Golden short to only Radagon/Marika themselves. That is probably why everything related to him is holy, it's just a corrupted form of holy. Plus I think holy is closer to "divinity" rather than just "good god juice" for a lack of a better word.
Holy damage feels like a lore damage type designed for bosses and enemies rather then players. Considering how many gods we kill that use it. Dark damage was also kinda like that as more of a lore damage type, it was designed to kill gods instead. I think fire should have been faith/int instead. Ideal damage types for me would be, Magic/int Faith/holy Fire/int/faith and then arcane is status effects like frost/int/arcane or faith/arcane/int bloodflame. don't know what status faith/arcane would be.
I would like to have more destined death weapons in the game. It's holy, it looks cool and it doesn't give a shit about resists, because percentage damage. And again: why don't gargoyles' weapons have this thematic and normal skills when their attack animation on hit literally have the destined death flame built in?
Imo what would’ve solved this issue for me would be: 1.) Faith gets a Lightning Art Infusion as a counterpart to the Dex version and the Str Fire one. Faith gets 3 damage type infusions; since you can only use one at a time, I don’t think this would be game breaking, and would let you theme your weapon to your incantations. Lightning themed weapons like the Cragblade and Grasnax would have hybrid scaling between Dex and Faith for the Lightning. I like the Str Fire infusion, but limiting an element to a physical stat like Dex, especially when it has so many ties to faith in the lore, feels silly. 2.) Int/Faith gets a Ghostflame infusion, that deals Magic and Frostbite at better damage scaling than the Cold infusion, and the various Ghostflame/Death weapons (Helphen’s Steeple, Death’s Poker, etc) would scale with Faith/Int like the spells do, giving it a niche. Ghostflame and Blackflame could also deal Dark damage as it’s own distinct elemental type 3.) Int gets a Gravity Infusion that deals pure Physical damage, to compensate for Faith getting 3 elemental damage types 4.) Arc’s occult infusion would get Dark damage instead of pure physical, but would still scale status effects like now 5.) Frost Status buildup would scale with Int on both Cold and Magic infusions. 6.) Any weapon without a unique ash of war (Serpentbone Blade, the various Int/Faith throwaway Straight Swords and other weapons) would be infusible regardless of element or status effect, just as the Fire Knight/Black Steel weapons and the Serpent Fang weapons can be infused.
☀️ Here is my take ☀️ Hopefully holy damage is a topic of one of their future patch notes. I feel like you have to work harder to make pure holy damage be “strong”, whereas other damage types(fire,lightning,magic,etc) are just better in general. As far as pure holy weapons go, the fact that the golden order great sword isn’t one of the best great swords in the game is…kinda counter intuitive. It’s literally Radagon’s sword, and you should feel like a damn God whenever you use it. The fact that it weighs 10 pounds is so strange(it is made of light), and the wind up time for the ash of war still needs to be reduced. I also think that it needs an A tier scaling in faith(when fully upgraded). Also, the sacred relic sword should have *at least* an A tier scaling in faith(when fully upgraded) as well, and should consume less stamina whenever you use the AOW… The Golden Order incants are mostly fine, imo. I do think, however, that triple rings of light should either A) not cost as much fp as it does right now(since it only deals a little bit more dmg than rings of light, which costs 3 fp to cast) or B) have the damage just outright buffed to make it align with its 23 fp cost. Radagons rings of light could also receive a slight buff to the dmg(maybe 15-20%), but I think that it’s good where it is at. It is obviously not an incant that you would use against a large enemy, but fully charging it can be outright monstrous against anything Renalla sized or smaller(that can have its poise/stance broken easily). Black Blade is also a great “melee incantation ” option for dishing out damage to enemies that are Renalla sized or smaller, and the destined death aspect makes it all the more useful(I wouldn’t use it at range, though, since the black knife has the same effect, just less fp). Elden Stars is, along with Scarlet Aeonia, one of the most disappointing incantations in the entire game(if not the most). I understand the balancing problems between pvp and pve(especially with an incant that has lock on projectiles that are distracting and hard to dodge), but there is NO REASON an incantation that cost TWO memory spots and holds a LEGENDARY STATUS should be as worthless as it is in pve. It literally just needs a huge ass damage buff(in pve). I think holy damage shines best in the ashes of war/skills department. The bubbles are obviously OP, and the sacrid relic sword is the epitome of point, click, and obliterate(most of the time). The halo scythe just has a ring of light that deals more impact dmg and some poise dmg, but deals very good,consistent dmg. Unblockable blade is also pretty good(not amazing, of course, but not awful). Malikeths black blade also has a pretty great AOW, but it is mostly because of the destined death. If you read all of that, I applaud you 💛 🤭
I absolutely hate Dark Souls 2, but the build options were definitely my fav part of the game, especially the dark damage type. I've had fun playing a holy melee build in this game (minus the last 4 bosses), and was glad the DLC was nicer toward my build as well. But I agree, holy really is all over the place in this game. Hopefully for Elden Ring 2 or whatever they have a better idea on what they want to do with this archetype.
You got the whole concept wrong. Ever seen someone going to church, kneels before the king and prays "Please My Lord Slay My Enemies"? No! Ephesians 4:31-32: “Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you."
I always took that Holy was just the weakest because if you are building Faith, then you're getting a lot of utility, buffs or heals incantations, and you'd just have the scaling good for it compared to not using it, but could also just use flame/lightning butalso the holy incantations are just not really fun to use and I agree I miss Dark. Lightning being Dex is fine, Fire being Str or Fth is fine, Magic/cold being Int obvious. Holy should have been Fth and Int, and I would have kept Dark or maybe the Black flames to be the Dark replacement instead.
No one or no opinion is keeping me away from my Wave of Gold main character. It's not just about farming the poor frogs, it's about the fashion souls, using "Radagon's body", spam that beautiful Ash that trivializes even the Haligtree dungeon, and still packs a heavy punch on crowds. Get holy, boys, get sacred! Be not afraid!
There's a lot that I've seen the community fight over but the absolute dumbest topic has been holy damage. How you can look at the state of enemy and boss holy damage resistances vs weaknesses and think that this is acceptable as a design decision is beyond me. Not a case of, "well everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I'm incapable of accepting that," no I sincerely don't see an argument for this being good. Lore? There's nothing but reaching. I'm made out of flesh and bone but if you were to punch me in the nose, I'd bleed. If I'm a Demigod, and use holy damage, why exactly would that mean I'm resistant to it? If something was made, or enveloped by a holy aura, sure, that's intuitive that they would be resistant to it. Godfrey's piss ghost would make sense to be highly holy resistant, but why would the man himself be? He's... just a guy? Gameplay balancing reason for it to be ass? Nope. The strongest status conditions are locked behind INT and ARC builds, with one exception being Dragon Ice Lightning being a faith incant. Me me no understand why game dev make holy bad me me want to be paladin
Honestly, I don't really care about what people say. What I care about is how hard I smashed the faces of my enemies when I decided to try out the Crucible Weapons, Golden Order Greatsword, Sacred Relic Sword and Marika's Hammer. Maliketh's 80% Holy resistente didn't seem to save him from being drilled by my tree. Ever since I got Marika's Hammer I'm yet to find something who doesn't bend the knee to it, with that massive AoE and stance damage while throwing humanoids around like volley balls, and Astel certainly didn't seem to appreciate the guaranteed headshot from the shockwave. Sacred Relic also hasn't failed to erase any room from existence either, and I remember the poor Misbegotten Crusader's tears when he tried over and over again to get up, only to fall flat on the floor repeatedly with no resistance. As for Golden Order Greatsword, those damage numbers are just illegal, and I almost pity the poor bastards who live in death when I see a gigantic skeleton summon getting one shot and the strongest of Death Rite Birds look like it's made of hot butter, not to mention the humans who are all pathetically useless against the near instant shockwave followed by an undodgeable slash. They can say "endgame bosses are resistant" all they want, but when damage is decent even on them and everything else is pulverized by it, I say it's great. One thing people sadly seem to ignore a lot is that while Holy is bad as a damage type, several of the holy weapons are incredibly powerful and that often more than makes up for it. Those weapons I just listed all have incredible utility when it comes to range, stagger, ease to hit, etc. And their damage numbers are can be high enough that they sometimes do comparable damage to many other weapons even with a worse element. It's just like how blunt is unquestionably a horrible damage type in Bloodborne (I'd even say it's straight up worse than Holy, since holy at least excelled against Those Who Live in Death, including the very difficult Death Birds, while blunt is pretty much bad against everything), but Ludwig's Holy Blade is still considered the most powerful weapon in the game by many, despite doing blunt damage.
I first played as "paladin" character... And end up switching to dark flame by end game. I just cleared the game with pure int and dex... And it was just a breeze, like a complete joke I even killed bosses first try (even though I'm very bad).
Honestly I understand the math, but don't understand all the rage against Holy. When I beat the base game in 2022 and cleared all steam achievements, was with a Faith build with focus on holy damage, which for me is too one of the most visually stunning abilities in the game. For NG+, or DLC probably it's gonna be tougher though.
A lot of B.S. talk is going around like always , I have platinum ELDEN RINGS with the F-ING Sacred Relic Sword NG+ 4 ( I melt F-ING BOSSES ). Folks need to shut that SH#T down and GET GOOD ( you NOOB).
So in summary holy damage builds are fine against everyone but the final boss, even then you're primarily faith so you can just swap to fire damage. Cool, cause I really like faith builds. Everywhere I looked people talk about holy damage like it's literally unusable trash, now I think I understand it sucks and why but it's not dead or unusable.
Holy Damage slaps in base game, my Holy Paladin build is my 2nd favorite build I have and I have 18 Builds/Characters. Still beat late game's ass with Holy Paladin. Who cares if it's the weakest type lol
Holy damage is bad? The fist thing I pick up when ever I play a new character is the Sacred Blade ash next to the Mixed Physique Flask and it's absolutely amazing.
I don’t see how or why they would continue to make things resistant to holy especially with all the awesome late game holy weapons. This video makes me really sad. I feel a little better with the comment if you like it, then use it. It’s not a big deal. Regardless of this video, I feel like they have to make bosses that aren’t necessarily weak to holy but just not resistant to it. The holy weapons look amazing, there are a ton of them, and they are late game. How can they lead us into a dlc where these weapons are still bad. I’m going into the dlc with a strength faith build primarily built around holy and I’m just praying it’s going to be awesome.
Watch the 2nd dlc be about the Prince of death and you think everything is gonna get nuked by holy juat for it to be 90% revenants and for some reason deathblight now does magic/fire damage and is the best element now XD fuck elden stars
Sacred Relic Blade is my favorite weapon in my second game. The AOE and knock down power makes most enemies pretty easy pickings regardless of damage type
This game has had at least 10 patches going by the numbering scheme. And people want to ride FromSoftware for their amazingly crafted games? Why has there been no serious major balance look over? SO many underpowerwed weapons and abilities it's not even funny. If the DLC doesn't bring anything like a look-over of the base game's items/incantations/spells, then you can basically expect a repeat of the base game, a few patches to settle egregious edge cases, and a few overpowered weapons that make everything else irrelevant. I know technological optimization is their weakest forte (their games all run terrible upon release and even after) - but man, can they get their numbers balancing fixed, goodness it's so bad.
I think all the "holy" spell are great. Most of those incantation are buff which makes you much stronger. The rings spells are goat in pvp if you play caster. It is much harder to deal with the rings and those are more efficient than rains of star of ruins. Holy dmg weapon are split dmg so it is not that big of a deal fighting bosses. Even vs end game boss with proper build I don't think I have that much issue. I may not be the best player but I don't think it took me 30 minutes fighting elden beast in my holy dmg build run. Some streamers also did something like Marika hammer or Sacred Relic only run or Incantation only run and they said that it was easier than expected as well. I don't have issue with fire being scaled with faith only to be honest. But again, I don't think there is a particular "holy" build, only full faith build or faith-int build (which is my build in pvp) or str-faith or dex-faith build which are like all the build possible. And you have the benefits of having all the OP buff/debuff then pick your damage type depend on enemies: fire, lightning, holy or even physic (split scale weapon) so no need to fixated on something.
Make whatever build you want, we all know you make your own easy mode or hard mode depending on what build you make, but then there's also pvp, don't forget that alot of players don't even have high holy damage resist
I use faith strenth never have a issue aside from not the best damage in the halligtree but blasphemous blade does fire not holy so its a strong choice but I never understood what people were talking about by the time I got to Altus and the capital I was pretty much telling everything in one to two hits so I don't really understand what people are saying about that if you like Faith builds do them
Nowadays, thanks to this place and message boards, if something is not best in game or darn near it, people don't want to use it. At least those seeking info. It's rather sad since the focus of fun is not there as much as always being meta. Though the holy resist by some of the bosses is a bit much.
ive been using holy for the last 50 hours on my latest character. and it wasnt even planned, i just really wanted to try out cleanrot spear, halo scythe, and finally fully beat the game with tree spear. i cycle between a ton of weapons. the holy damage is just kind of a byproduct of that decision. and guess what id be bored af and probably not playing the game anymore if i decided to avoid these things cuz "holy" damage bad. worse case scenario u swap over to a fire damage setup. thats what i did for a boss here and there. just switch out talisman and physik and focus on fire infusion or an incantation then quickly swap back.
People don't use holy damage because it's bad. Not because there's a stigma around holy damage. In fact most weapons are bad in elden ring and it sucks to see so many of them nerfed
It is sad but it makes sense. One cant use the power of the god to kill the said god or its creations. Likewise, there probably will be lots of fire resisitant enemies in the DLC.
Always been a faith guy in all dark souls surprised that people even see holy dmg as a negative... play how you want and I guess i'm a little special ed 😃
The reason Holy damage isn’t good is because it’s part of the story . Everything that shines isn’t gold or in this case GOOD. The story is mainly about religious lies and the war it creates .
lol because this random youtuber knows more about game design and balancing than the devs themselves who have been doing this since dayy 1 with demon souls lol 🤣
every time i want to use holy damage i remember that a million enemies resists the most so i dont use them while i want to but it just hurts my soul + they could fix it with a patch but they are lazy asf to rework the holy resistensis
Ive never understood the stigma against holy. Its not the best, but it definitely has its uses. I still think sacred blade is one of the strongest early game ashes of war and im still getting use out of it in the dlc
Occult damage should have been the new dark-scaling with int and faith. Occult type spells already have int fth requirements. And the lore implications are there as well with the implication that Golden Order Incantations and Occult Spells are one in the same-similar to how Int/fth worked with Dark and Fire. Instead, occult scales with arcane? Fckn Y? There's already like 4 different elements that scale with arcane for God's sake. DLC pls fix
5:48 I love how, for the lightning resistant enemies, theres:
- Draconic tree sentinels, yep makes sense
- Ancient dragons, yeah that's their thing
- Beastmen, yeah they're very close to the ancient dragons
- And boat man
Hey, they had to give poor mariner boi something
But the Mariner sits in water all the time, his wooden seat must be extra insulating
For some reason, Placidusax's Lightning negation isn't any higher than their other elemental negations. Their technically not considered an Ancient Dragon either, so stuff like Dragonwound Grease doesn't effect them either.
Fr, the ONE GUY IN WATER is resistant to LIGHTNING 💀💀
Boat man is just the goat
Bosses: But we're resistant to holy!
The Chad Longhorn: Lol get bubbled
Bubbles don't care about your puny resistances!
The long horn absolutely shreds bosses. It's so powerful that it actually makes me laugh.
And then it got nerfed-
@@KatrinaAmaxas has anybody tested how bad yet?
@@MrNuclearz Youwy himself did in the Patch Notes video. Miyazaki took my bubble boy build to the cleaners.
don’t worry about the meta..use what looks cool or is fun
Yes!! My Occult Spectral Lance throwing Jar-barian was ridiculous fun and absolutely nowhere near a META
YES! Finally someone who understands! I use the crystal sword not because it’s good or anything, I just like using it! :D
I've always played every game like this 🤭
If you wanna suffer as well sometimes its fun
Yeah its fun but it would be more fun if some bosses werent almost immune to it
Holy shit.
🤣
Holier shit.
Correct
Gold-tinged Excrement!
True
I ran a holy build, incantations, holy weapons, holy infused weapons, etc
The only time I actually stopped using holy damage was against the final boss, 80 holy resistance
I'm trying to make a paladin type build using holy incantations but idk what incantations and weapons would be really good and fit the theme can you give some advice?
@@HalcyonEXOrdovis sword seems pretty paladin to me incantations i can’t help with i don’t usually use it
@@HalcyonEX I pretty much did this for new game plus so I had access to many holy items once I started since you have access to so many of them mid to late game
You could switch between the Golden Order and Erdtree seals
I used many incantations like discus of light, Radagon's rings of light, triple rings of light, Law of regression to remove poison/scarlet rot (tho that requires a lot of intelligence), erdtree heal, Golden Vow, etc (Sometimes Elden Stars, they're not powerful but fun to use)
Holy Weapons: Coded Sword, Golden Order Greatsword, Cipher Pata, all 3 Envoy Horns, the Crucible knight's Greatsword, Great Club, the scythe used by Cleanrot Knights, Marika's Hammer, Sacred Relic Sword, etc
Ashes of War for ordinary weapons: Sacred blade, Golden Land, or adding the sacred affinity
Talismans: Sacred Scorpion Charm, flock's canvas talisman, the rest are your choice
Crystal Tear: Holy Shrouding Cracked Tear, Faith Knot Crystal Tear
I used many of the incantations listed, but when it came to weapons, I used a Zweihander with Golden Land, The Golden Order Greatsword as it was great for knocking enemies down, the Envoy Longhorn to take down giant bosses (Killed Placidusax is about 15 seconds)
Holy damage isn't great but it's so fun to use, I hope it gets more love in the DLC
@@cheese4434 thx
@@HalcyonEXyou might have to take a dip into intelligence but if you do you can get access to the golden order incantations like Golden Rings of Light and Discus of Light, which are all holy incantations
Discus of light goes hard
Really hard
Hands down best damage per fp ratio
Yep, I started to use it even with my sorcerer. The fp cost is so low it's more efficient than all my sorceries.
I just wish I didn't have to put points into intelligence for it
@@Alt0001 Reject faith builds, run 45/45 with golden order seal and melt the world
I've used it recently and is ridiculous, 800+ damage for 3 fp hello ? Top 10 incantationsif not better for sure golden order seal is also soo underrated, i Guess is due to almost nobody going for a faith inteligence build
Sorry can’t get my hand down bc I’m busy throwing discuses
The release of the DLC would be a great time to release a patch that makes holy damage less resisted, especially from things like the revenants
I know that the devs will be releasing patch notes after the dlc drops, so maybe they can look into adjusting pre existing holy weapons, skills, incantations, etc(basically holy damage in general). It’s sad that holy damage is as bad as it is(considering it is used by the same God that rules over the lands between).
Well looking at those spells that are so strong, discus and hammer, relic sword maybe and the bubbles, maybe they are the reason why holy is so nerfed.
Has FromSoftware ever patched an enemy's resistance in the past 15 years?
Something i find odd is that while holy damage is bad, destined death is so good.. while if you didnt know destined death is coded as holy damage and (at least the black blade incantation) is in fact buffable by things like the holy scorpion talisman
@@RougeMephilesClonewell honestly they should, they should be adjusting scaling mistakes based on their given lore when they are found rather than just letting them be in the game. It makes no sense. Spells can have many different damage types which is fine but sorcerers only really having magic is just completely dumb, while faith has every type of damage in the game. Int/fth is also practically impossible given fromsoftwares negligence when designing it and the weapons around it. Elden Rings weapons are a bit of a mess sometimes
To me, holy damage has been a means of complimenting my flame art weapons on faith build. For example, volcano manor's lizard men and fire giant are resistant to fire, so I used coded sword on them.
Until the Godskins who are uniquely resistant to fire AND holy, hmpf
@@formatomi sleep pots are a universal tool of godskin annihilation
@formatomi that's where I pulled lightning spells out.
A daily reminder that
Everything is immune to Deathblight
Dragons Resist Lightning
Demi Gods resist holy
Sorcerors resist magic
Constructs resist poison and rot
Shades resist EVERY status
But nothing
_NOTHING_
Resists *_Black Flame_*
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@@formatomiDragon incantations go BRRR 😂
I will run a pure holy build just so I can say i am... Holier Than Thou.
…..you need to leave.
Metallica reference?
I can confirm that Ancient Dragon's Lightning Strike melts Fortissax, no matter his resistance.
He's just so big that he ends up eating every strike.
Erm actually, Revenants are unrelated to Death Blight and Those who live in Death 🤓
I still love me Fth/Int build, using disqus of light and the Erdtree Great shield and I'm gonna take it to the DLC
Holy is perfectly capable of beating the game and easily. The fact that it is less optimal, especially for the last few bosses, isn't a big deal. Less optimal still gets the job done. You'd think with how many different holy weapons/builds have been used to beat the game, people would realize this.
The only time I would advise against holy would be if you were having extreme trouble on the last bosses. In that case, you might want to switch, but if people can beat the game at level 1, you can beat it with holy damage.
all I hear is excuses
I think you don't understand the main question. The question is not can you beat the game with pure Holy damage? but rather: Why should i use Holy damage when you can use stuff like Phys, Magic, Fire & Lightning damage instead? Why should i use an element that feels like 80% of all bosses & enemies have a high resistant to?
@BirdWithAKnife345 this is something that a lot of people fail to conceptualize in this community.
"I think this move is unfair due to X, Y, Z."
"Well chud, didn't you know that Mr Streamer beat that boss with his feet while blindfolded? Therefore, it is flawless and all of its moves are fair."
You see it everywhere
@@BirdWithAKnife345Answering the question, “why use holy damage over other options?”
It’s a freaking game, and it’s supposed to be fun. Why use it? Well, because you can, for whatever reason. Do you like the weapon styles? Like the incantation animations? Cosplay, roleplay, whatever. The game gives so many options, and not everyone wants to run around spamming Rivers of Blood, Ancient Dragon Lightning Strike or Comet Azur
@BirdWithAKnife345 No one is saying that holy is fine simply because you can beat the game with it. They are saying its perceived weakness is exaggerated. Personally, I think holy should be buffed as it IS the weakest damage type, but that doesn't mean it is impossible to play the game with holy damage. People do not need to be scared of using holy weapons or spells.
Holy's reputation makes players afraid to try it. That is the major issue. Play what you enjoy, of course. If you want to try it, do so, and if you don't like it, switch to something else. While there are limited respecs, this isn't DS1. You can swap a fair bit.
I planned on a dex build for my first playthrough and ended up int/dex. My second was strength/faith, and that worked out. My third, I was finally going to be pure dex and ended up arcane. My most recent build has been int/faith using many of the golden order holy spells. We can hope holy gets some buffs, but even so, nearly everything is viable.
Little off topic BUT: I very recently did a faith only build and it was one of the most fun runs I've ever had in this game. I had Cipher Pata and Coded Sword incase I ran out of FP but I almost never ran out.
Swapping to fire, lightning, physical, holy incantations and magic when I used a mimic tear helmet with the blue dragon spells made the build insanely versatile for just leveling 1 damage stat. Coded sword is also amazing against enemies that block constantly.
Being able to buff stack and debuff enemies was also amazing cause I end up just tanking and spamming dragonmaw on enemies like Godfrey who does only physical so black flame protection, golden vow and greyoll's roar made dragonmaw spam safe to do for a minute.
Now more on topic: The holy weapons are also fantastic as the clips here showed, bubble greathammer, Elden Beast sword, Coded sword, cleanrot knight scythe so on and you can still use things like Blasphemous blade which is a whole other monster.
Siluria's tree is straight up my favorite weapon in the game just for the ash of war alone.
You don't need to restrict yourself to a single damage type and Faith builds are incredibly strong/versatile.
8:40 I do agree with damage typings being weird. Lightning affinity weapons doesn't have a faith counterpart but fire does with strength for some reason which is new to fromsoft. I guess they wanted dex and str to have at least 1 elemental damage type because weapons by default will be more restrictive compared to equipping incants/spells which allows for great customization. They gave every damage stat at least 2 damage types which I'll list:
Str has physical and fire, Dex has physical and lightning, Faith has fire and holy, int has only magic but cold is status damage, arcane has physical and status damage. My guess is they didn't want to give faith a 3rd damage stat when it comes to weapon affinities.
As for int/fth holy incantations they could "fix" it by making them ignore half or close to half of an enemy's holy negation stat. They seems like high investment but no real gain.
I really hope they add more int/faith weapons/spells in the DLC. The golden order seal is so damn powerful, I just need another weapon besides the sword of night and flame
The main thing I think that stands out is what the game considers "Weak" and "Resistant". I think 40% absorption is essentially considered the "baseline" for most bosses. 20% absorption is "weak" (the game says Night's cavalry is weak to lightning, they have 20% lightning absorption), and 80% is "Resistant"
Holy is an incredibly well designed and fleshed out damage type with more support than any dark souls series miracle build other than like, lightning spears in ds1 and ds2. The problem always just boils down to the big heavy hitter endgame bosses having that 80% absorption
Lightning spears from dark souls is lightning in elden ring (faith + weapons scale with Dex ex. Bolt of gransaxx/dragon kings cragblade). Holy is badly designed the incantions are int/faith but the weapons aren’t. Bad synergy + there’s barely any holy incantations compared to other types
for me in elden ring most disappointing weapon golden order great sword if it work same like darkmoon great sword it might be very good but instead they choose throw gogs to thrash can its make me very sad
From my experience with the siluria tree at 40 str and 20 faith i was hitting radagon for around the same damage of a straight sword. Yes holy damage is hot trash
I definitely think that with the DLC taking place in a land that's been ravaged by Marika, holy damage will be considerably better than in the base game. There's almost no demigods that we know of that could have a Great Rune (save for Miquella and maybe Godwyn or Messmer), so I doubt most required bosses will be very resistant to it.
Godwyn would not possess any great runes simply because his death is what led to the Elden Ring getting smashed in the first place.
@@shiroamakusa8075 Ah yeah, lmao, I completely forgot about that.
Holy damage slaps in pvp though
IDC about resists. I just like how holy skills look. You're telling me, I can Tron my way through the game, throwing disks of holy energy from 100 feet away? Sign me up.
You're telling me, my ass can be holy and I can AOE ass slam my way through the game? Sign me up.
You're telling me, I can shoot waves of holy energy to do 100 damage to whoever is in front of me? I like waves, sign me up.
In the dlc i would worry about fire damage not holy. Everything we see in the trailers is burning
I'm going in with Ordovis Greatsword and Marika's Hammer whether it's good or not with my other friend Destined Death
They both do mostly physical and the ash is based on weapon damage (luckily) so its a safe bet. Ordovis wipes the floor with the game
I'm just saying man, the first half of the video made holy damage sound whatever, than the 2nd half of the video almost makes me wanna not use holy damage ever again.
I think Holy is definitely overlooked too much, the amount of damage the ring spells put out is hilarious for their cost. Discus of light is an absolute workhorse, and radagons rings just nukes rooms. I feel like all the buffs they got were to compensate for higher resistant enemies late game, but in general play they definitely feel like they pack a bit harder a punch than your average spell
Debatably, if you are going for efficiency you would just get as high physical damage as you can and then buff/infuse your weapon with whatever the boss you're fighting is weak to. Which, most of the time, the answer is going to be bleed.
Godwyn was like the pinnacle of holiness in the Golden short to only Radagon/Marika themselves. That is probably why everything related to him is holy, it's just a corrupted form of holy. Plus I think holy is closer to "divinity" rather than just "good god juice" for a lack of a better word.
Holy damage feels like a lore damage type designed for bosses and enemies rather then players. Considering how many gods we kill that use it.
Dark damage was also kinda like that as more of a lore damage type, it was designed to kill gods instead. I think fire should have been faith/int instead.
Ideal damage types for me would be, Magic/int Faith/holy Fire/int/faith and then arcane is status effects like frost/int/arcane or faith/arcane/int bloodflame. don't know what status faith/arcane would be.
Maybe faith/arcane = lightning
lol bro talked me into a faith build than talked me right out of a faith build
Why not making a faith weapon with an AOW that deals either fire damage or holy damage?
Holy damage is bad until you get hit by a coded sword AoW, then its broken and stupid
Well that’s cause pvp is broken and stupid in elden ring
IDK Sacred Claymore slaps.
I would like to have more destined death weapons in the game. It's holy, it looks cool and it doesn't give a shit about resists, because percentage damage. And again: why don't gargoyles' weapons have this thematic and normal skills when their attack animation on hit literally have the destined death flame built in?
malekiths black blade go brrrrrr
Who knows we might encounter some undead there
and then there was me beating the game with the golden halbert not knowing about that
So the DLC is out, I haven’t played it yet… can anybody that has tell if holy damage is better yet?
If you put holy damage on any whip, it actually becomes OP immediately.
God I hope morgots and radagons incantations are in this
It would be SO amazing if we got Radagond holy lightning incantation 😭😭
Imo what would’ve solved this issue for me would be:
1.) Faith gets a Lightning Art Infusion as a counterpart to the Dex version and the Str Fire one. Faith gets 3 damage type infusions; since you can only use one at a time, I don’t think this would be game breaking, and would let you theme your weapon to your incantations. Lightning themed weapons like the Cragblade and Grasnax would have hybrid scaling between Dex and Faith for the Lightning. I like the Str Fire infusion, but limiting an element to a physical stat like Dex, especially when it has so many ties to faith in the lore, feels silly.
2.) Int/Faith gets a Ghostflame infusion, that deals Magic and Frostbite at better damage scaling than the Cold infusion, and the various Ghostflame/Death weapons (Helphen’s Steeple, Death’s Poker, etc) would scale with Faith/Int like the spells do, giving it a niche. Ghostflame and Blackflame could also deal Dark damage as it’s own distinct elemental type
3.) Int gets a Gravity Infusion that deals pure Physical damage, to compensate for Faith getting 3 elemental damage types
4.) Arc’s occult infusion would get Dark damage instead of pure physical, but would still scale status effects like now
5.) Frost Status buildup would scale with Int on both Cold and Magic infusions.
6.) Any weapon without a unique ash of war (Serpentbone Blade, the various Int/Faith throwaway Straight Swords and other weapons) would be infusible regardless of element or status effect, just as the Fire Knight/Black Steel weapons and the Serpent Fang weapons can be infused.
Why make so many holy damage weapons and spells and then make so many enemies and bosses holy damage resistant? It makes no sense.
☀️ Here is my take ☀️
Hopefully holy damage is a topic of one of their future patch notes. I feel like you have to work harder to make pure holy damage be “strong”, whereas other damage types(fire,lightning,magic,etc) are just better in general.
As far as pure holy weapons go, the fact that the golden order great sword isn’t one of the best great swords in the game is…kinda counter intuitive. It’s literally Radagon’s sword, and you should feel like a damn God whenever you use it. The fact that it weighs 10 pounds is so strange(it is made of light), and the wind up time for the ash of war still needs to be reduced. I also think that it needs an A tier scaling in faith(when fully upgraded). Also, the sacred relic sword should have *at least* an A tier scaling in faith(when fully upgraded) as well, and should consume less stamina whenever you use the AOW…
The Golden Order incants are mostly fine, imo. I do think, however, that triple rings of light should either A) not cost as much fp as it does right now(since it only deals a little bit more dmg than rings of light, which costs 3 fp to cast) or B) have the damage just outright buffed to make it align with its 23 fp cost. Radagons rings of light could also receive a slight buff to the dmg(maybe 15-20%), but I think that it’s good where it is at. It is obviously not an incant that you would use against a large enemy, but fully charging it can be outright monstrous against anything Renalla sized or smaller(that can have its poise/stance broken easily). Black Blade is also a great “melee incantation ” option for dishing out damage to enemies that are Renalla sized or smaller, and the destined death aspect makes it all the more useful(I wouldn’t use it at range, though, since the black knife has the same effect, just less fp). Elden Stars is, along with Scarlet Aeonia, one of the most disappointing incantations in the entire game(if not the most). I understand the balancing problems between pvp and pve(especially with an incant that has lock on projectiles that are distracting and hard to dodge), but there is NO REASON an incantation that cost TWO memory spots and holds a LEGENDARY STATUS should be as worthless as it is in pve. It literally just needs a huge ass damage buff(in pve).
I think holy damage shines best in the ashes of war/skills department. The bubbles are obviously OP, and the sacrid relic sword is the epitome of point, click, and obliterate(most of the time). The halo scythe just has a ring of light that deals more impact dmg and some poise dmg, but deals very good,consistent dmg. Unblockable blade is also pretty good(not amazing, of course, but not awful). Malikeths black blade also has a pretty great AOW, but it is mostly because of the destined death.
If you read all of that, I applaud you 💛 🤭
I absolutely hate Dark Souls 2, but the build options were definitely my fav part of the game, especially the dark damage type. I've had fun playing a holy melee build in this game (minus the last 4 bosses), and was glad the DLC was nicer toward my build as well. But I agree, holy really is all over the place in this game. Hopefully for Elden Ring 2 or whatever they have a better idea on what they want to do with this archetype.
You got the whole concept wrong. Ever seen someone going to church, kneels before the king and prays "Please My Lord Slay My Enemies"? No!
Ephesians 4:31-32: “Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you."
I always took that Holy was just the weakest because if you are building Faith, then you're getting a lot of utility, buffs or heals incantations, and you'd just have the scaling good for it compared to not using it, but could also just use flame/lightning butalso the holy incantations are just not really fun to use and I agree I miss Dark.
Lightning being Dex is fine, Fire being Str or Fth is fine, Magic/cold being Int obvious. Holy should have been Fth and Int, and I would have kept Dark or maybe the Black flames to be the Dark replacement instead.
No one or no opinion is keeping me away from my Wave of Gold main character. It's not just about farming the poor frogs, it's about the fashion souls, using "Radagon's body", spam that beautiful Ash that trivializes even the Haligtree dungeon, and still packs a heavy punch on crowds. Get holy, boys, get sacred! Be not afraid!
There's a lot that I've seen the community fight over but the absolute dumbest topic has been holy damage.
How you can look at the state of enemy and boss holy damage resistances vs weaknesses and think that this is acceptable as a design decision is beyond me. Not a case of, "well everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I'm incapable of accepting that," no I sincerely don't see an argument for this being good.
Lore? There's nothing but reaching.
I'm made out of flesh and bone but if you were to punch me in the nose, I'd bleed.
If I'm a Demigod, and use holy damage, why exactly would that mean I'm resistant to it?
If something was made, or enveloped by a holy aura, sure, that's intuitive that they would be resistant to it.
Godfrey's piss ghost would make sense to be highly holy resistant, but why would the man himself be? He's... just a guy?
Gameplay balancing reason for it to be ass? Nope. The strongest status conditions are locked behind INT and ARC builds, with one exception being Dragon Ice Lightning being a faith incant.
Me me no understand why game dev make holy bad me me want to be paladin
based opinion, It will prob be more viable in Shadow Of The Erdtree, nice video 👍
Honestly, I don't really care about what people say. What I care about is how hard I smashed the faces of my enemies when I decided to try out the Crucible Weapons, Golden Order Greatsword, Sacred Relic Sword and Marika's Hammer.
Maliketh's 80% Holy resistente didn't seem to save him from being drilled by my tree. Ever since I got Marika's Hammer I'm yet to find something who doesn't bend the knee to it, with that massive AoE and stance damage while throwing humanoids around like volley balls, and Astel certainly didn't seem to appreciate the guaranteed headshot from the shockwave. Sacred Relic also hasn't failed to erase any room from existence either, and I remember the poor Misbegotten Crusader's tears when he tried over and over again to get up, only to fall flat on the floor repeatedly with no resistance. As for Golden Order Greatsword, those damage numbers are just illegal, and I almost pity the poor bastards who live in death when I see a gigantic skeleton summon getting one shot and the strongest of Death Rite Birds look like it's made of hot butter, not to mention the humans who are all pathetically useless against the near instant shockwave followed by an undodgeable slash.
They can say "endgame bosses are resistant" all they want, but when damage is decent even on them and everything else is pulverized by it, I say it's great.
One thing people sadly seem to ignore a lot is that while Holy is bad as a damage type, several of the holy weapons are incredibly powerful and that often more than makes up for it. Those weapons I just listed all have incredible utility when it comes to range, stagger, ease to hit, etc. And their damage numbers are can be high enough that they sometimes do comparable damage to many other weapons even with a worse element.
It's just like how blunt is unquestionably a horrible damage type in Bloodborne (I'd even say it's straight up worse than Holy, since holy at least excelled against Those Who Live in Death, including the very difficult Death Birds, while blunt is pretty much bad against everything), but Ludwig's Holy Blade is still considered the most powerful weapon in the game by many, despite doing blunt damage.
I first played as "paladin" character... And end up switching to dark flame by end game.
I just cleared the game with pure int and dex... And it was just a breeze, like a complete joke I even killed bosses first try (even though I'm very bad).
Honestly I understand the math, but don't understand all the rage against Holy. When I beat the base game in 2022 and cleared all steam achievements, was with a Faith build with focus on holy damage, which for me is too one of the most visually stunning abilities in the game.
For NG+, or DLC probably it's gonna be tougher though.
Holy damage is bad....
But bubbles wreck everything.
Miquella's Rings of Light are also super good. Maybe even overpowered.
A lot of B.S. talk is going around like always , I have platinum ELDEN RINGS with the F-ING Sacred Relic Sword NG+ 4 ( I melt F-ING BOSSES ). Folks need to shut that SH#T down and GET GOOD ( you NOOB).
Been trying to make a paladin build using holy damage work and it's tough since all the good incantations are further in the game
So in summary holy damage builds are fine against everyone but the final boss, even then you're primarily faith so you can just swap to fire damage. Cool, cause I really like faith builds. Everywhere I looked people talk about holy damage like it's literally unusable trash, now I think I understand it sucks and why but it's not dead or unusable.
Holy Damage slaps in base game, my Holy Paladin build is my 2nd favorite build I have and I have 18 Builds/Characters. Still beat late game's ass with Holy Paladin. Who cares if it's the weakest type lol
Holy damage is bad? The fist thing I pick up when ever I play a new character is the Sacred Blade ash next to the Mixed Physique Flask and it's absolutely amazing.
A lot of things resist holy, but those who don't REALLY DON'T
I don’t see how or why they would continue to make things resistant to holy especially with all the awesome late game holy weapons. This video makes me really sad. I feel a little better with the comment if you like it, then use it. It’s not a big deal. Regardless of this video, I feel like they have to make bosses that aren’t necessarily weak to holy but just not resistant to it. The holy weapons look amazing, there are a ton of them, and they are late game. How can they lead us into a dlc where these weapons are still bad. I’m going into the dlc with a strength faith build primarily built around holy and I’m just praying it’s going to be awesome.
Watch the 2nd dlc be about the Prince of death and you think everything is gonna get nuked by holy juat for it to be 90% revenants and for some reason deathblight now does magic/fire damage and is the best element now XD fuck elden stars
Sacred Relic Blade is my favorite weapon in my second game. The AOE and knock down power makes most enemies pretty easy pickings regardless of damage type
This game has had at least 10 patches going by the numbering scheme. And people want to ride FromSoftware for their amazingly crafted games? Why has there been no serious major balance look over? SO many underpowerwed weapons and abilities it's not even funny. If the DLC doesn't bring anything like a look-over of the base game's items/incantations/spells, then you can basically expect a repeat of the base game, a few patches to settle egregious edge cases, and a few overpowered weapons that make everything else irrelevant. I know technological optimization is their weakest forte (their games all run terrible upon release and even after) - but man, can they get their numbers balancing fixed, goodness it's so bad.
I think all the "holy" spell are great. Most of those incantation are buff which makes you much stronger. The rings spells are goat in pvp if you play caster. It is much harder to deal with the rings and those are more efficient than rains of star of ruins. Holy dmg weapon are split dmg so it is not that big of a deal fighting bosses. Even vs end game boss with proper build I don't think I have that much issue. I may not be the best player but I don't think it took me 30 minutes fighting elden beast in my holy dmg build run. Some streamers also did something like Marika hammer or Sacred Relic only run or Incantation only run and they said that it was easier than expected as well.
I don't have issue with fire being scaled with faith only to be honest.
But again, I don't think there is a particular "holy" build, only full faith build or faith-int build (which is my build in pvp) or str-faith or dex-faith build which are like all the build possible. And you have the benefits of having all the OP buff/debuff then pick your damage type depend on enemies: fire, lightning, holy or even physic (split scale weapon) so no need to fixated on something.
Make whatever build you want, we all know you make your own easy mode or hard mode depending on what build you make, but then there's also pvp, don't forget that alot of players don't even have high holy damage resist
Holy dps is extremely usefull against death rite bird. So its not bad @ all .Also marika hammer is utterly broken aswell with the special move attack.
Wasn't holy damage introduced in ds3? Nevermind just learned that the holy miracles did physical damage
I use faith strenth never have a issue aside from not the best damage in the halligtree but blasphemous blade does fire not holy so its a strong choice but I never understood what people were talking about by the time I got to Altus and the capital I was pretty much telling everything in one to two hits so I don't really understand what people are saying about that if you like Faith builds do them
Holy damage is weaker cause of the swag tax. All the coolest weapons are holy. Just play better. You won't notice if. Use what you want.
Nowadays, thanks to this place and message boards, if something is not best in game or darn near it, people don't want to use it. At least those seeking info. It's rather sad since the focus of fun is not there as much as always being meta.
Though the holy resist by some of the bosses is a bit much.
Holy has never been bad. It serves the same function as dark damage from Dark Souls 3…primarily to be used in pvp NOT pve
ive been using holy for the last 50 hours on my latest character. and it wasnt even planned, i just really wanted to try out cleanrot spear, halo scythe, and finally fully beat the game with tree spear. i cycle between a ton of weapons. the holy damage is just kind of a byproduct of that decision. and guess what id be bored af and probably not playing the game anymore if i decided to avoid these things cuz "holy" damage bad. worse case scenario u swap over to a fire damage setup. thats what i did for a boss here and there. just switch out talisman and physik and focus on fire infusion or an incantation then quickly swap back.
People don't use holy damage because it's bad. Not because there's a stigma around holy damage.
In fact most weapons are bad in elden ring and it sucks to see so many of them nerfed
It is sad but it makes sense. One cant use the power of the god to kill the said god or its creations. Likewise, there probably will be lots of fire resisitant enemies in the DLC.
Always been a faith guy in all dark souls surprised that people even see holy dmg as a negative... play how you want and I guess i'm a little special ed 😃
i actually used holy discs through out the dlc, for lore purposes and look good, it’s actually not bad, only 7 fp and the dmg isn’t bad too.
Everything works in PvE honestly (source: this video + my 5 different builds)
Use what you like
The reason Holy damage isn’t good is because it’s part of the story . Everything that shines isn’t gold or in this case GOOD. The story is mainly about religious lies and the war it creates .
lol because this random youtuber knows more about game design and balancing than the devs themselves who have been doing this since dayy 1 with demon souls lol 🤣
Im bringing sacred relic sword into the dlc
Edit:never mind i just switched my build to loretta’s war sickle
every time i want to use holy damage i remember that a million enemies resists the most so i dont use them while i want to but it just hurts my soul + they could fix it with a patch but they are lazy asf to rework the holy resistensis
i actually use a lot of holy weapons... never once looked at who resisted what, i tried stuff and used it if it worked and holy dmg works
They don't plan on doing dark magic in this game?!
Unless it is in the Dlc no😂
Bring back Hexes
Ive never understood the stigma against holy. Its not the best, but it definitely has its uses. I still think sacred blade is one of the strongest early game ashes of war and im still getting use out of it in the dlc
People who think holy damage is not viable haven't tried blessed infusions in DS3.
Holy is not as bad as people think. I may be resisted but there’s a lot of strong bosses that are also weak to it like Death Rite Bird.
is there a game that has good holy dmg? traditionally holy dmg sucks in most games in my opinion. even considering non souls types games
Occult damage should have been the new dark-scaling with int and faith.
Occult type spells already have int fth requirements. And the lore implications are there as well with the implication that Golden Order Incantations and Occult Spells are one in the same-similar to how Int/fth worked with Dark and Fire.
Instead, occult scales with arcane? Fckn Y? There's already like 4 different elements that scale with arcane for God's sake.
DLC pls fix
I dunno how viable holy damage will be in the dlc but i will still take black blade greatsword and bonk things to death all the same
I am totally going into DLC with Faith build. Holy is my favorite. Period.
You are my #1 go to guy. Good work and looking forward to your videos on the new dlc.
Most holy dmg type weapons just don't appeal to me. Maybe SotE will change that.
I wish holy damage was buffed, such a unique damage type and is cool af but sadly very weak.
Holy isn't really new though... more of a name change from Miracles, right?
Me, mainly a fire user: that sucks. Anyway.
Idc what people say about holy damage. I love my ordovis greatsword so much
I have a really fun envoy horn build and im loving it. Holy bubbles go brrrr
nevertheless holy damage is trash, ordovius gs is my favorite weapon
Damage is damage
I think they need to go in and Nerf everything. The damage numbers are to high.
hahaha not gonna lie, 32 secs into the video and i gotta say i listen to you more than my mother