If someone's a true Batman fan, they'll accept his faults and admit his limitations. I love me some Batman but I'll admit he's not the perfect superhero people make him out to be.
there are many times Batman got beat up by bad guy so we know he have limit, but isn't because he willing to stand up again despise all those injuries make us like Batman?
He is the superhero we all deserve, just not the one we need right now. So we will hunt for his imperfections and limitations. Because he can take it. Because he is not our hero. He's a silent gaurdian, a watchful protector. A dark knight....
Actually most Batman fans like him because of his limitations. He rolls with the Justice League. But nobody ever seems to pay attention to why. He's got no rivalry with Superman if anything they are great friends that make each other stronger. What Batman adds is uncanny detective skills, a high IQ and an ability to strategize. Hence in big events with wars and conflicts you'll find Superman brawling with big foes and Batman coordinating the League. It doesn't really make Batman 'less' than Superman. It just means he's 'strengths' lie elsewhere. But somehow debates about worth always come down to brute force and laser eyes to simplify it. Superman would slam Batman in two. Casually. So would many. But I don't see most of them be uncannily good at exact sciences, research, stealth or ruthless psychological warfare. Hence the 'Trinity' is so epic. Although I mostly just read the Batverse. (i like the grittier side and the frequent crime mysteries etc) I can appreciate how each of the three represents something they're the premiere hero of. Both morally, methodology wise and ability wise.
His secret identity is Bruce Wayne, not Batman. Wonder Woman's lasso of truth was tied around her hand, Superman's hand and Batman's hand. and said that on the count of three all of them would reveal each other's true identities to each other, Wonder Woman says she is Diana of Themiscyra, Superman says Kal-El and Clark Kent, Batman responds with Batman, this is his actual identity, Bruce Wayne is the act he puts up.
I find it stupid that by coincidence, Bruce's ancestors discovered the underground railroad, yet Thomas Wayne never opened that up for tourism and even covered it up. Then Bruce discovers it and decides to use this place as a secret base. Despite owning millions of property all over Gotham that he can use as a secret base while he can use the railroad for tourism and giving people history on Gotham.
Athen Walton It's beyond obvious at this point, same could be said about other Dc heroes, their alter egos are just masks, and their hero counterparts are their true self, in Marvel it's completely the oposite and that's what makes it so interesting imo
Batman has admitted on several occasions that Bruce Wayne is the facade and Batman is his true self. Its definitely true about Superman. He was born Kal-El/Superman. Clark Kent is the "mask"
knytrydr73 that really depends on the continuity, Golden Age was the infant raised by the Kents and Clark was who he was and Superman just his action ID, Silver Age he was more Kal-El/Superman and Clark Kent his mask that he would escape into for a break from being Superman, then after the original Crisis back to him growing up a mortal so that Clark Kent was who he was and Superman simply his 'job' while helping make the world a better place. I've no idea what the latest reboot is but he's had both be true.
MrMusiqa "You could also use your nigh-unlimited resources to revolutionize law enforcement with all the wisdom and knowhow you've been hoarding for the past seven decades..."
1. Never in human history has killing put an end to killing. It may stop certain killers from killing, but if it "makes sense" to kill, then you can't blame someone for "going crazy" and killing someone, can you? It's just a cycle of life, and Batman is using his only real super power - his brain - to attempt to break the cycle even when the desire to just end someone drives him nuts. 2. Batman's gadgets depend on the writers. In some incarnations, he's the Howard Hughes of crime fighting, designing his own equipment from simple Batarangs to the Batcave's super computer, to the flying troop transport in the recent Justice League movie. In other incarnations, he has brilliant guys like Lucius Fox and others he's either bought off or who owe him favors doing the actual design and assembly. A combination makes the most real-world sense, possibly including deals with Uncle Sam in addition to law enforcement. 3. The Bat Cave makes perfect sense. If someone puts it together that Batman has wonderful toys, and Bruce Wayne is rich enough to supply them or perhaps use them, he can't very well have the Batmobile in his garage with a tarp over it if someone comes snooping. Area 51 has whole hangars that can't be hidden from prying eyes. Underground is a very logical answer, but perhaps it's the Bat-motif itself that he's arguing about here. 4. Robin was created for one reason - LITTLE KIDS WERE READING THE COMICS and the producers wanted to give them characters to identify with that weren't usually included in "noir-ish crime comics" at the time - and that's it. After Frank Miller, Denny O'Neil and others started opening it back up a bit trying to appeal to more mature fans, Dick Grayson started aging, became Nightwing, and it became a matter of traditionalists versus Robinists. Some asked how can you have Batman without Robin? Others said, why isn't Batman in jail for exploiting a child? I want to see Elsewhere versions where that issue is dealt with in various ways, personally, but in general I think of Chris O'Donnel in Batman Forever as the perfect age for Dick Grayson. 5. He's not cowardly, although controlling fear is an essential part of the whole concept, and as superstition, he's more of an exploiter than a believer, but in a world with multiple dimensions and Solomon Grundy's, he clearly has to keep an open mind as well. 6. Superman isn't God, nor are all the "supers" capable of ending all crime. In the Superfriends era, when Superman could do virtually ANYTHING, like move so fast he could appear to be Clark Kent AND Superman standing close together at virtually the same time... yes. In the more realistic tales, it makes as much sense as anything else in a world where people can leap a tall building in a single bound. 7. The psychology of Bruce Wayne is part of the fun of reading the comics. He's got Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, but controls it enough to focus it on one, long-term mission. He's more Batman than playboy Bruce, but when the Bat-mask comes off, and he's not entertaining guests or putting on a playboy Bruce party, he's typically the kid who got scarred all those years ago and had to find creative ways to deal with the loss of his family/ sense of reality/ sense of safety/ sense of self. I don't think its a "problem" that isn't addressed, because it is, but the guy who did this piece got nearly a million hits, so he's clearly trying to stir up some feedback, which I'm obviously doing. Hats off to you, sir. 8. The secret identity is not a problem either. Jim Gordon knows, or strongly suspects, but doesn't say anything. Others know, from Alfred to Lucius to the many others who have and do put it together - when he's not revealing it himself to the Robins, etc. Before Chris Nolan did his big ending, Bruce Timm and Frank Miller before that speculated about Wayne eventually being outed as the Bat. It all leads into another so-called "problem" however... 9. Longevity. It's safe to say that whatever incarnation/generation, the basic story is this: at 25, Bruce becomes Batman. By the time he's 30, he's met Dick Grayson, has dealt with Harvey Dent's fall from grace, and largely cleaned up Gotham's traditional organized crime, only to see a rise in the Rogue's Gallery of "super" criminals. By the time he's 35, Bruce's war on crime has taken a heavy toll. He's had a falling out with Dick, possibly Barbara Gordon as well, and they're questioning his sanity when he takes on Jason Todd as the 2nd Robin. By the time he's 40, the Joker has left Jason dead, and Barbara in a wheelchair, but Gotham is no longer the same city. Bruce can leave the street-level thugs to the police and his extended "Bat-family", which by then includes Tim Drake - the 3rd Robin - and Barbara's Birds of Prey, leaving Bruce to focus on leaving a legacy for the world in the form of the Justice League. By the time he's 45, after TWENTY YEARS obsessively fighting crime, he hangs up the cape and cowl after his illegitimate son Damien became the 4th Robin and died because of his overly-obsessive behavior. He takes Selina Kyle and tours the world. By the time he's 55, the whole Bat-family decides to retire the Caped Crusader due to the abundance of meta-humans and Gotham's entry into the "civilized" likes of Metropolis. Dick and others have occasionally taken up the mantle of The Bat when needed (fueling speculation about whether or not Batman is super-human, or multiple people, or simply a myth made up by the police to scare would-be criminals), but they all agree to hang it up for good. By the time he's 60, in the wake of planetary invasions, Lex Luthor as President, and other calamities, ordinary people question whether or not they need a Watchtower in space watching over their activities. Bruce comes out of retirement to stop Harvey Dent from going on a killing spree, but the Bat's return awakens a catatonic Joker, who murders Selina Kyle, and triggers a confrontation between Batman and Superman that will decide whether or not the "supers" are really in charge. Bruce defeats Superman, but fakes his own death, and goes into hiding with vast portions of his financial empire. By the time he's 70, Bruce emerges to act as a mentor to the new Batman, Terry McGinnis, and presumably dies leaving others to carry on into the future. That story works whether Bruce turned 25 in 1939, and died in 1984, or whether he turned 25 in 1986 (DKReturns), and dies in 2031 (which would mean he's just starting his ten year sabbatical with Selina right around now. Anyway, that's how I see it. That's why... 10. It Never Ends. The comics just focus on the period of his being 25 to 45, and kind of keep retelling those stories and occasionally add something new that feels like it should've been there the whole time (like Harley Quinn, or Bruce suffering a broken back, etc). Someday maybe they'll invent a pill that makes us all live longer and they'll adapt the story accordingly, who knows? This character will outlive us all. The ONLY "problem" I have is that I won't live long enough to see all the new and interesting places they'll take it. But I suspect that he and Superman are to America what Hercules and Perseus and Jason and the Argonauts were to the people of the Hellenistic period. That's pretty awesome. Makes you wonder if they'll still be getting it right two thousand years from now... and what mysteries are interlaced in the saga as we speak...
I don't get what your problem with the bat cave is? The argument you provided for it was "He doesn't really need it..." Why? That's not an argument and you made no attempt to provide any supporting evidence for that statement. If he didn't have a cave then he would have a factory, or an underwater base, or a base in a hidden building, or a base somewhere else either way he does need something of that nature to store his stuff and plan/monitor the city so what's the problem with a cave under his mansion? Along with some of the other "problems" the maker of this video rambled about it seems to me the person has very little or no understanding of either the character of Batman or of comics in general. This video was a failure from start to finish.
Absolutely agree with this comment. Probably one of the stupidest whatculture videos I have seen so far. "He doesn't need a cave other then to hold all his toys..." congrats, you just answered your own question. If the cave is to hold all his toys, and as you said the only thing really setting him apart is his toys, then obviously he not only needs them to win but he needs a place to hide them. The logic in this video, like this video, is poor quality.
Dido. I was just about to make the same post. What this guy is saying makes not a literal lick of $2 fuccing cents. I barely read comics and know enough to understand the simple question of where would Batman build and construct all of his technology? In public? On his front lawn? at his company with everyone in the company informed about it? The concept of the cave is meant for secrecy, but the person of this youtube channel who made this video probably just has adsense on his mind, Couldn't come up with anything creative for a Batman video so just decides to make pointless arguments as filler for more time in a video, therefore disrespecting the audience's intelligence, or he's just a dumb ass. One of those.
Troldust I think he needs it in case someone tried to blackmail him and they needed to search his house I'm sure they wouldn't find the entrance to the batcave
Exactly. He needs SOMEPLACE to hide his toys, and I can't see why the Batcave is dumber than any other secret place. Sure, it could be a secret room in Wayne Manor, but to be truly secret it probably needs to be underground anyway. And really, is a Batbasement any better than a Batcave?
Tim Walden why wouldn’t batman need a batcave .. if anyone found out his secret identity or thought they did, they probably wouldn’t know where the secret lair of batman is but if he has bat shit all over his house people that go over would find it ..remember, Wayne manor isn’t the most secure mansion out there, there are always people over
Maybe not in a night, but for sure way faster than anything Batman could do. The point was that Batman in a world of SUPER heroes like Superman, Flash, and Green Lantern... well it's amazing the world would even need the man.Even with how skilled he is.
There was a story line that dealt with this. It explains that the people of Gotham are very territorial. When Superman came to help Batman clean up his city, the citizens became outraged and started rioting because they only trust Batman and not an Alien. This is a good enough explanation for why Superman stays away from Gotham for the most part. And just the fact that Superman has the rest of the world to look after.
the problem is super-man cant be everywhere at once nor 24/7... also he's the poster child of a law abiding individual... with him there's always a line; BvS showed a more gritty version n i think criminals would still fear the bat after all who in their sane minds would dress in a bat costume n prowl the nights hunting down criminals...
maxdrags3 Okay, and how tf is he perfect? He's made more mistakes than other character that I know. (Not trying to start a fight, just wanna know.) I've never thought of him as being anything other than a normal, albeit rich, guy.
Bruce Wayne He's actually protected the entire world in several cases. If you weren't very fond of the character, then why would you name the account after him and/or use him as your profile picture though? That's what I don't understand...
reymart christian Cruz There's a difference between being intelligent and being perfect. Please learn the difference, and how to properly write a sentence.
"There's absolutely no reason for having an underground lair BEYOND STORING HIS TOYS and MASSIVE FUCKING VEHICLES" You straight up answered your own question there mate. This isn't just nitpicky, this is plain stupid.
Aglinoodle I'd gladly accept the Batcave if he had climate controlled spaces for all his supercomputers and specialized equipment. You ever go caving or spelunking? Caves tend to be humid and his has hoards of bats flying around, no doubt pooping on everything. And he has all his expensive crap just sitting out in the open!
all the bats have tiny shock collars and there is an invisible shock fence - so that bats dont come near to his stuff. Geez man. You ain't nerded up on my level. Caves are generally cool, so that wouldn't be a problem for his computers, but the humidity would depend on the amount of water, whether its still/flowing, and the amount of ventilation in the cave.
@@rickycool6083 plus Batman, bat cave, you know, bats. Bats that sleep in caves :V there are all kinds of videos out there that talk bad about specific things, its normal, and easy to ignore, but sometimes the persons reasoning is so dumb, it reminds me exactly why it needs to be ignored. But yeah, this is pretty dumb lol
This video was really uneducated, and unfortunately it reveals a skin-deep understanding of batman from the author. A few points: 1. Batman normally doesn't have a high ethic standard, and uses the no-kill rule to keep himself in check. And if you want to blame someone, blame Gotham state law, which keeps these crooks alive. 2. No, absolutely not. This is no Iron man. Not anyone could be batman. Beyond his physique and genious level intellect is a superhuman determination to never ever give up, and the will to see it through. 3. I genuinely don't know if this was just something you made up last minute to fit 10 things into a list. Where else would you hide a goddamn plane? 6. Are you kidding me? Have you even heard of kryptonite? Also, whilst superman is nowhere near stupid, he is pretty guillable. Why do you think his nemesis is a genious? Also, the other heroes pretty much suffer the same problem. I suggest reading JLA: Tower of Babel or injustice. 7. Yeah, his mind is kind of messed up. But that balances the character and makes him more interesting. Honestly don't see the problem. But that actually a good understanding of his psychology here. Points. 8. Yes and no. In the world of DC there are actually many labs who could make this kind of stuff. Starlabs or Luthorcorp as an example. But some people have figured it out, but chose not to reveal it. 9. Some comics do show the effect of his aging and subsequent retirement. Read The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Beyond. 10. Yeah. That's just his luck. But he pushes himself to it. He tries to make himself not needed, but in the kind of world he lives in, that's just not going to happen
Lasse Frahm Bertelsen I agree I honestly think this guy is a batman hater😂 he do have a point about robin though but that's it everything else he was just degrading his character
The problem with Bruce's psychology is that it is mostly sane mostly by fiat. There is no mechanism and coping strategies shown where he deals with all the mental scarring that he witnesses as Batman. And he sees worse shit than Gotham's veteran beat cops. But none of that is permanent or builds up or is shown being haunted by it, by it affecting him. But what is more important is that he does not struggle about this. Him being his Batman persona is how he deals with the trauma of childhood, but he is almost never shown that this mechanism goes to far or him really struggling to maintain control or just failing to work. Not just about killing, but him losing his grip on reality or have other symptoms, like depression or mood swings or whatever. At best, when something happens to him that is too close, he hides behind his mask more (like in Bruce Wayne - Murderer?, where he denounced himself from being Bruce Wayne and this comic actually dealt with this issue somewhat). Realistically speaking, Batman's mental condition should be much more fragile than it is. He should be showing him maintaining (and struggling to maintain) his persona, his life, his balance. While sometimes some leeway is given on Alfred being an anchor for him (sometimes Robin or Leslie), he just takes it all like super-macho man.
Still have to disagree with #1. Pointing out that multiple people share responsibility or a chance to have fixed the problem is irrelevant. Sure, he might risk slipping back into himself, but the Joker is constantly flat out murdering people. If he just killed him straight off, how many lives would he have saved? Even putting his mental state at risk, I would make that risk to save that many lives. The absolutely no killing rule doesn't make moral or ethical sense to me. That being said, I do like the push towards not treating killing lightly, because it should only be for when it becomes apparent it is absolutely necessary for the greater good; and no, not like the potentate Superman of Injustice tended to use that term for. He just started killing people who didn't necessarily need it, without real good rational on why it needed to be done. That is murder.
Sorry, but this is just stupid. Why does BATMAN have to kill the Joker? Why hasn't Gotham state killed the Joker in a legal execution? He sure as hell deserved it. Hell, Joker should have died from an "accident by cop" and no one would have have cared very much. I'd imagine that even Batman would only protest. The fact that he doesn't kill at any other time suggests that he doesn't absolutely NEED to kill to do his thing. Batman doesn't see it as his job to PUNISH the criminals,that would be becoming judge, jury and executioner. He STOPS the criminals and that's it. It's not just about not getting his hands bloody, it's about keeping himself on one side of the righteous line. If he crosses that line, there is little that differentiates him from being a super-villain himself. The other problem is that if you make an exception for the Joker, why stop there? Why shouldn't he kill other super-villains that no prison can hold? Killer Croc, who has become increasingly mutated and inhuman in each incarnation? Ra'z who'll get resurrected anyway? If you start making excuses for the Joker, you start finding yourself needing a reason NOT to kill most of Batman's recurring enemies.
Why hasn't Gotham state just killed him? You might as well ask why Batman is even being a vigilante then, because the state has cops. If you are going to fulfill and extra lawful persona to do the things the state doesn't do well enough to protect people, innocent people - yes, you should kill the joker. I never said stop at the joker either, but the slipper slope fallacy needs to end. Unlike what people think, there is a huge well defining wall between justifiable kills to the madness of something like Injustice superman. It goes something like this: If said person is a threat to society, and jail will most likely not stop him, and he is almost certain to kill again... Do the world a favor, and save someone. And this was actually especially bad when we had Injustice batman not killing injustice joker, to the point he eventually nuked a city and killed millions, kick-starting the whole thing. People who would have been saved if he had the stones.
not hating, ok? Im not. But this list makes no sense XD How are these problems? You WANT Batman going around murdering people? Ok... Also. He is Batman. He himself IS Btman, Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batman is the real Bruce Wayne. The Bat cave: How the hell is this a problem??? XD He's got a huge space to store all his toys! Plus it's bad ass. Also, the point you made with Bruce Wayne, getting figured out, isn't too valid. "Bruce Wayne'' isn't too fond of Batman. He does what he can to keep it a secret. Also. 20 years being Batman is a REALLY good run, it isn't a problem. Besides, he has Terry to take over as Batman for him anyways. I just think this list is has more problems than Batman :)
To answer the murdering part, no, most people who say this or like Zack Synder's movies don't want Batman to kill people all the time. It's just frustrating that the comics keep being written the way they are with the status quo being reset and the violence being ramped up to ludicrous levels that it frustrates us to see cop outs like Batman purposefully saving a person who keeps mass killing people or just retcon stuff like: OH remember that moment Batman did something that would normally kill someone? Well, Batman is just SOOOO careful that he can bust a man's head open and they'll be perfectly fine. Remember when Batman had a moment of weakness and possibly questioned his world view? Well actually never killed that guy so no need for any development at all. I just want to iterate that Batman should normally never kill people it's his default, but the way the comics are written now just really make me hate Batman and the writers for not having the balls to actually have certain villains either stay dead or become reformed like people keep saying. It doesn't even have to be Batman's hand that kills them just let something change the status quo enough that the stories actually have lasting consequences.
Uh...why is it murder when Batman kills a serial killer but its NOT murder when literally EVERY OTHER hero kills villains for less?.... Ya wanna defend that one, genius? 🤭
Instead of asking Batman or any other superhero to kill people, why don't the cities they protect so a better job of keeping them locked up?! Seriously! How many times nice The Joker break or of Arkham before you get it right?!
greenbeancom38 He can't do everything for the people of Gotham. Like Harvey Dent said: He doesn't want to do this forever. Gotham needs to learn how to stand on its own two feet.
@@nra3zehuti781 aaaw, dont like the truth? Batman, or more specifically Bruce Wayne is one of the biggest Mary-Sues out there. If I had $1 everytime I heard "I created a programme..." come out of his mouth, especially in the animated series I'd b rich. Bruce is a rich kid, he's not a fucking computer programmer. Terry Mcginnis was way better.
Here's my problem with the "Batman should kill" argument; Batman is not a legally recognised member of law enforcement in the DCU (except for Adam West). He is barely tolerated in most incarnations by the police and is therefore not authorised to kill. There's no way the police or general public would be okay with a masked maniac running around murdering criminals on the streets. It's also not his responsibility to murder people in the name of justice. It's up to the courts, the law, the actual officially recognised members of government to make those calls. Think about it, would you want to live in a city where Batman was murdering people he thought was guilty? FUCK no!
Not really murder is the criminal REALLY deserves it, especially the joker... Also, there are ways to get around "murdering" a criminal. Also, you do realize that batman would have EVERY right to kill the joker in order to defend against him attacking and trying to kill other innocent people. Also, you assume that batman would kill even the least worse criminals, news flash, he wouldn't.
The law would still arrest him for murder due to the fact that he took the law into his own hands, Batman is a vigilante and is a criminal. Just because it would save lives doesn't mean it is right to take a life, where would you draw the line, how many people would you kill to save others? A series by the name Fate/Stay night actually had a point, a character that wanted to save everyone broke down after having to kill thousands to save even more lives it broke his will and he then was put to death for the number of people he himself killed to save all those lives.
THE LAW!? Batman is a violent vigilante, he's already see himself above the law. Legally Batman NOT killing villains would be pointless as they have all been held against their will without due process. If I tie up a guy and drop him off in front of a police station with evidence attached to him, he be let go that same day and that evidence would be thrown out as unmissable in court.
That also beg the questions "Why the people who in charge do not sentence all this bullshit to the death after they caught them???" .... It is always like this... Bad guy broke out of jail or something and commit the crime.... Batman caught bad guys and send them into police hand.... And then they broke out again??? Am I miss some tricks here???
Soundwave VR look, he just doesn't want to kill (even though in these 78 years he's killed sometimes lol), but everyone with common sense would say that. I know a lot about Batman and other Superheroes from DC and Marvel and why some do not want to kill, but a down to earth reader that isn't soft af would think that sometimes, it's easy to kill the villains and then nothing bad would happen. It's common sense
Chief Bill, no it really isn't. Batman isn't a cop, he's not law enforcement and most of the things he gets away with is only because the Police more or less approve of what he's doing, as do the thousands upon thousands of costumed meta-humans in the DCU. The moment Batman becomes a murderer, unless he's got a damn good reason they'd just throw him in the slammer and throw away the key. Same as any other murderer. Where common sense comes in, is that The Joker would never get sent back to Arkham after the second time of this shit happening. He'd be sitting on Death Row and would eventually get a needle in his arm with no help needed from Batman.
Suncho, to that I say simply...BULLSHIT. The Joker gets fucking caught all the time. Well that is before he started getting fan wanked with every breath.
well in the past yeah, but they didn't really care much with consistency back in the days. lately he doesnt get caught that often, and maybe we can say he usually escapes pretty fast, so he wouldn't wait for his injection to happen. BTW, i generally agree with you, just wanted to point out, that lately, batman barely manages to stop jokers plans and live after that, not to talk actually getting him "arrested" as for the no killing rule, yes. the moment he starts killing the general law enforcers won't be such fans of his. that plus the fact, that he is actually insane. if he kills someone, he may very well break and actually became more dangerous than the joker.
Your point about the batcave is stupid. The Batcave absolutely makes sense as a place where he can keep his costume, gadgets, the batmobile, batwing and other batvehicles and all the stuff he accumulates from the guys he was fighting over the years. Or do you expect him to park the batmobile in the front yard, keep the cape in his bedroom and have the batcomputer standing in th livingroom? Would be quite awkward to have visitors if he did that.
except big ass caves or caverns do infact exist irl - even in the american region in which fictional gotham city seems to be next to -, how is that even a question lol
His point about the bat-cave is the fetishism of the bat-cave. Beyond having a storage room, there is no reason why Batman should be spending any time down there. It makes him an emo driven teenagers, and that's just silly.
This list is such a waste of time it's as if a critic with no real appreciation of friction or comics and no background in comics put this together. I've seen all I need to see from this channel.
Batman said it himself for why he doesn't kill. When asked by the Jason Todd why he doesn't just kill the Joker, Batman replied as such. "If I do that, allow myself to go down into that place, i'll never come back". Batman means he wouldn't be able to stop once he began. It would be too easy to do after that point.
varanid9 I know this isn’t Canon, but Superman killed Joker in injustice. Then he killed even more people, and it exactly proved Batman’s point, that you can never come back. In killing joke, the joker almost edged Batman to turn insane, so that he can prove a point that anyone can be crazy from one bad day. However, Gordon told Batman to apprehend joker by the book. After all, Joker is crazy. Batman thinks that he can solve Joker’s problems. In Batman hush: Batman was basically going to kill the joker, but Gordon again stopped him, because Gordon doesn’t want Batman descend into madness. Even though Joker has killed a lot of people at the end of the day, Batman can’t kill him, because it proves a point that he’s just as bad as the joker. And that’s why Joker kills and is obsessed with Batman. He wants Batman to kill him.
Ultimate Rodgers Who are you talking to? Who said he'd be worse? Varanid9 spoke of his life versus others' but I'd argue that this is not really about numbers, even if he is trained so well that he'd be a force of nature if he did decide to rid Gotham of every villain for good. He's not exactly recovered or stable, say what you will. So he's got his rigid rules to bring order and stability. If he went and killed someone that might disturb it. If he did he'd be more likely to become like Yagami Light in Death Note than the Joker imo. But we'll never know because... it's Batman. Also, why is it always 12? Shake it up a bit, internet! Make it 13 for a change, or 10. It's tremendously boring.
Because everyone who kills in self defense becomes murderers eventually. And every soldier and cop is a serial killer in disguise right? It's still the weakest argument on the face of the earth due to poor writing. Slippery slope be slippery.
My problem with the traumatized child (Batman) is that instead of investing in ending the corruption in his city he just plays on the short term solutions to stop criminals as they pop up, while letting them keep popping up. Though it's a mix of failed progression with the story and the character's competence. The fight will never end since Bats is basically written to fail in the end.
Matthew Goodfriend The only hero who has the "I should have done something about my parents dying" Is spiderman as he could have actually done something. Bruce was 8 against a adult man with a gun batman wouldn't exist if he actually got therapy
Well actually the REAL reason batman doesnt kill is because then he would run out of villains and DC would have to create more witch takes alot of time and effort! Besides half of people who read or like batman only likes it for the villains myself included!
Batman is too much of a coward. If someone wants to kill a criminal, he just stops them because of his moral code of no killing. Gotham has had many chances to kill the Joker but they never do. As a result, he escapes to murder even more innocents. There's not enough vigilantes to do what Batman cannot do.
It would be pointless for him to kill Joker or did you forget that the likes of Ra's al Ghul, Hugo Strange, Nekron and even Trigun exist. Anyone of them could easily bring him back to life....if they wanted to. Also someone else could become the joker. All they would need is a piece of joker's DNA and he could come back in another person. Tim Drake for example
Which is why they should have killed him as soon as possible. Kill the criminal before he has any chance of an escape plan. Delay the inevitable for a bit longer to allow better protection of the people the next time there is a street war going on. Plus, what if they burn the bodies to ash so they can't be resurrected?
for #10, i say let the courts decide. and if they are too crazy to execute, make better prisons. billions are spent making prisons for metas, im sure a chunk of that could go to making sure the joker never leaves a 6 x 6 cell for the rest of his conscious days
bah. you arent thinking batman enough. think batcave meets fortress of solitude meets tower of fate inside a sun inside a black hole inside a zombie dimension. and conveniently forget the key/password to each level of security.
Personally I have my reason to respect Batman's "No Kill Rule". I think it's pretty obvious that Batman isn't exactly in the right state of mind to judge whether a person should live or not(regardless of who they are). If he were to kill he'd probably snap and became just as psychotic as his villains.
Good point, but there is still a problem with a Joker. I think we can apply "No killing rule" to any villain, but not for the Joker, at least. And as far as I know "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Alternative Injustice" solve this problem
Jacob Garcia thank you. Waste of my time. A critic tried to make logic out of a fictional story and character. Over thinking doesn't mean your intelligent or make up valid points. Terrible list
@@TC-uu8rh wow it just sounds like someone got a little butthurt by seeing his comic character's flawed point of view being simply rationalized a little bit more than it would ever be by the fanboys
Joker continuing his bullshit isn't Batman's fault. He captured him, now he's in the hands of the law. Joker is an open and shut case for the death penalty. There is no curing this guy and even if they did, who would ever forgive him? He should have gotten the chair ages ago. I put the blame on the system, not Batman. Also, Batman is not an act. At least not when he's not actively trying to terrify someone. When he's in his cave, tinkering with his car or something, there is no acting going on when Alfred shows up to say something snarky.
FIYARtv They think he is mentally ill, but he's not, he breaks the fourth wall secret. He knows he's in a comic book which is why they think he is "crazy"
I blame bats. It's ridiculously obvious that their system DOESN'T work, so for him to be turning these people over to a revolving door day care is dumb, cause they are going to escape and leave a trail or stacks of dead bodies in their wake till they care caught again and the cycle repeats. At the very least he should build his own prison and he be their jailer.
Honestly you would think that after a while, the justice system would just get tired of people like the Joker and give him a death sentence anyway. I know that asylums aren't responsible for doing that sort of thing, but after a while you'd think they'd just figure out that Joker's insanity isn't going away and he'll probably just break out again.
Ethan Hughes Exactly, Young Justice said it the best: Batman: "Robin needed to bring in the men that murdered his parents to justice" Wonder Woman: "So he could turn out like you?" Batman: "So that he wouldn't"
2 Problems with Batman's FATHER nobody wants to admit: 1) He put his own family at risk. If you're a wealthy, influential tycoon, and therefore know you might be a target for thieves who know you're loaded, why would you walk your family down a dangerous dark alley??? 2) Why is Mr. Bigshot even WALKING around, when he could have called a cab or limo?
you know... it's not really a morale issue of "should batman kill people?" you do realize batman is not a registered law enforement agent of ANY kind right? he's a VIGILANTE, one that's tolerated because he doesn't leave a series of dead bodies all over the city, you people do realize you go to jail for murdering other people, right? ...this is one of the most stupidest arguments i've ever seen, kill people, go to jail, series over
ColeVecsion you dont go to jail for self defense that is a weak excuse you kill the guy trying to kill you and by law that is self defense and you don't do jail time like at all
it's not self defense when you go out looking to murder people as a masked vigilante that inserts themselves into these situations with the intent to kill, if anything the criminals in most these stories could plea self defense from the masked psycho assaulting them who ISN'T a law enforcement representitive and self defense it's self isn't a guarenteed get out of jail pass, read a fucking book
Why gotham doesn't institute a death sentence policy i'll never know(well obviously they can't kill the top tier rogues gallary, but you get my point :P), most of the criminals aren't insane, they're clearly planning out these murders and evil schemes, hell, post dark knight joker has become a super genius in the new52(via bad writting mostly) that' not insanity anymore, put him on fucking death row, batman isn't to blame, gotham's entire political system is
Ok and, good luck in court police force. Lawyer: so your telling me that you let this guy break the law every day, but when he kills and breaks that law he goes to jail even though you let him slide every other day? Yea...theres probably some sort of law suit thaf comes with that one.
As a Superman fan, I can't speak for all of this, but I will for the one regarding Superman. It's not Supes' job to rid crime overnight. It's his job to do what is necessary for the survival of humanity, while showing humans their own inner strength, and be able to grow into their own heroes. In the graphic novel, The Man of Steel, Supes visits Gotham to meet Batman, and realizes that this is Batmans territory. A lot of the world masterminds are in Gotham, and it takes a great detective with knowledge of the city to deal with those criminals. Superman is totally out of his element in Gotham, it's a job for Batman.
Wow, why do some people choose to over analyze something instead of just enjoying it. What a waste. By the way, most of the "problems" mentioned have been dealt with numerous times within the Batman universe....FOR Example: Batman's no kill rule has been addressed over and over again (not counting some of the movies). He has always been against the idea of being the judge/jury/executioner even when he disagreed with the results of the legal system. It's a concept of Justice along with his fear of absolute power (addressed in the comics and shows, especially dealing with the Justice League). Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batman is the actual persona. Bruce Wayne always sees himself as Batman (best presentation of this was in the Batman Beyond chapters). Superman admits numerous times (especially related to the Justice League) that he cannot be everywhere at once and he is unable to handle every threat on his own.
jmacpi Because people with brains tend to use them. If I gave you hypothetical powers, then the logic associated with those hypothetical powers still apply. People tend to enjoy things less when they see blatant inconsistencies with the logic of a situation.
@@pforgottonsoul It was ambigious since both outcomes still result in Batman's madness in some way. Which is why I have a love-hate relationship with the Oracle series so much, because while I like Barbera, Oracle just retcons the chilling ambiguity of Killing Joke because there can't even be a 50/50 chance of Batman killing someone, lest the Batfans go in a frenzy screaming "bATmAn DoEsn'T KiLl"
Dude, an absolute No Killing Rule is illogical and Immoral for a person who claims to protect the innocent from unrepentant, repeat offending psychopaths in a corrupt city. Theres a reason most Movie Supers no longer attached to this Trope.
NIGHTMARE DEVASTATOR A critic tried to make logic out of a fictional story and character. Over thinking doesn't mean your intelligent or make up valid points. Terrible list
TC Internal logic is a thing within all stories. That's how they make sense, dummy. If I told you a fictional story of a man who was so strong he could lift mountains, and then told you he pulled a muscle lifting a coffee mug, that wouldn't make sense without further explanation. The story being fictional is irrelevant since the logic used to create the story is still following our "real" logic. Logic can also be applied to hypotheticals. Stop being a moron.
Depends who you ask... like taking in Orphans to train basically turn them into child soldiers and going against deadly psyco villains. Also the no killing rule is stupid.
"Makes him Interesting." U trolls say those exact words in every discussion around Batman... Which tells me ur just pretend comic fans, defending the brand
"10 Problems With Batman Nobody Wants To Admit" "10 Problems With Batman Nobody Cares About" There fixed that for you. Now shut up and make me a sammich
If you read a description on what Robin's purpose is reads as follows: "Batman's sidekick, Robin, is intended to wear bright colors in order to draw enemies away from Batman so he can get them from behind." So robin is basically bait or a distraction.
I didn't know that. That's cool I guess. I always thought they wore bright colors because that's the way Dick Grayson originally wanted his costume, and the other Robins just wore a similar costume because they're Robins.
In all this years watching so much videos about superheroes, specially batman, i have never saw someone get so innacurate with the facts, it is so much clear that the person who made this videos has never read a full comic story (more than 10 issues make a complete story, if he ever reads this comment).Just to clarify, the least innacurate, yet one of the most important facts that is mentioned in this video is the fact that Bruce Wayne can't keep in 20 year's body shape, when even the less comic experts, even the people that has only saw batman animated movies knows about the existence of lazarus pit's (rejuvenating source), an that they are present in the entire DC universe. And that is only to mention ONE of the many innacurate facts published here, not mentioning the REAL reason why Bruce Wayne picked the bat as a symbol for crime fighting, or the fact that the only abbility that puts Batman in the trinity (the 3 most important member founders of the justice league) is his far advanced detective skills, ( in fact detective comics was the initial name from the batman comics), not his gadgets or physical power. I really hope people that works in this information and entertainement industry that is RUclips, specally this channel starts taking his job serious, and stop publishing videos just for the need for popularity and sensationalism, taking away fans form one of the most recommended series of superheroes (recognized not only by cinema directors, also by writtes and professional Psychologists) instead of recomending it to fans, and collecting real and reliable information
I agree with everything you said, and even I had problems with batman, saying he can take down the justice league and all that. It's a stretch, but this video was done by like a 13 year old trying to sound smart or something. Not someone who knows anything about batman. Plus he didn't want a sidekick. And the law calls him for help. Superman can't fix crime because crime is always happening. Batcave is a safe haven and a hideout and a place to do his detective work. He is afraid of bats and he wants his enemies to be afraid like him. So he embraces that fear and becomes fearless. The real Bruce Wayne is the one before he puts on his batman mask and after he gets home and puts off the Wayne mask. He does what HE wants. It's his company, he can hide a paper trail or say it's stolen. Lazarus pit, he's been in it before. He doesn't want to stop being batman, because Gotham needs a batman. I can't recall all of the guys points but they were all pretty shitty
In reality, Batman wouldn't constantly be confronted with whether or not to kill Joker because a cop, SWAT team, or FBI agent would most likely kill Joker themselves since they are allowed to. If not out on the streets, then perhaps later once Batman has caught him and delivered him into police custody. Of course, Joker's death would be officially designated as an "accident" or a suicide, but after Joker's 2nd or 3rd prison break resulting in another bloody rampage, eventually the authorities will decide enough is enough, and kill the maniac for Batman since Batman himself legally can not use lethal force as a non-deputized vigalante and still continue his war on crime. Once Joker has demonstrated to everyone he can continually escape custody and murder at will, sooner or later an undercover CIA or FBI agent will be sent to Arkham Asylum under the guise of a specialist psychiatrist sent in to treat Joker, but will secretly have orders to murder him. That's just the reality of this particular situation.
1. It is explained that if he let himself cross that line then HE would keep killing. He knows himself 2. What is the problem with the gadgets?? 3. He obviously has the cave as a mirror image of his Bruce Wayne identity. Bruce has the manner, Batman has his manner 4. Dick Grayson wanted revenge on the people who killed his parents, Jason needed an outlet for his rage, Tim Drake chose to be Robin, Damien was gonna fight no matter what so Batman has to show him the right way. 5. He wants his enemies to share his fear (Batman Begins) 6. Until Superman goes evil and then people wish there was someone else. 7. Batman is who is his, and Bruce is the mask 8. He is smart enough to be able to hide his tracks. 9. He is not real haha 10. No one wants it to end.
Nezzy Ness Are you referring to the literal alien that has been established to be godly? Surely, you're not comparing a peak human to a certain someone I've described to somehow make Batman LESS of a Mary Sue...
Christian Bale said in an interview that when he played Batman he was really playing three characters: the real Bruce, the pompous billionaire playboy Bruce, and Batman. The pompous rich boy celebrity is PART of his secret identity!! you'd never guess he was Batman because he seems selfish and ignorant. The Nolan trilogy doesn't get enough credit for this!
People figure out Batman is Bruce Wayne through simply tracking his source of equipment has been done quite a few times already, in TV, movies and comics. That is really not valid complaint.
I seem to remember a college humor skit where everyone knew batman man was Bruce Wayne, but went along and pandered to his delusions in order to keep him from hurting himself, to the point where they actually had people taking turns pretending to be villains so he had some purpose to his life. Now that I think about it there was also a silver age comic that did the same fucking thing. The silver age got weird.
If he doesn't want to kill the Joker, he should talk to state authorities to get permission to send the crazy scum to the Phantom Zone. Superman has a projector. As for the Bat Cave, no one man could set up such a complicated, sophisticated, high-tech underground installation. However, the world needs more superheroes than Superman. He is not omnipotent. Even he can't be everywhere all the time.
SiNaC Spears agreed. What a waste of time. I appreciate ppl opinions and views but this is what you get when you try to make logic out a fictional story and character. I need not see anything else from this channel pointless
Ed Hedderman And that's why he sucks.... Comics want to be realistic to a point where this is just impossible and would in reality kill a normal person. But because people go lol he's batman is suddenly makes it better?
I'm not mad its just Batman's grown to be a boring character because hes literally the DM's favorite, He always gets the plot armor, he managed to beat the specter, hes the inspiration of every single hero in the DC universe. Hes grown to be a meme at this point.
Batman's smart strong great martial artist and he uses his ingenuity to get out of stick situations he doesn't really have plot armor he was just taught by the best and he trained himself to get to peak physical condition whereas other people like superman just get powers out of their ass like it's nothin, like come on that's ridicuolous
I lost my dad in front of me.. He had cancer.. I lost him when i was 11 years old.. Am 21 now and i still wish he was in the family all those years.. But i grew up.. I stopped crying over it.. I knew the world works in mysterious ways.. Takes away good people.. Batman is always looking like his always breaking down.. Come on.. U had Alfred with u through out your life just like i had my mom.. Stop being a kid and thank Alfred for being with u .. I still find it weird that Alfred is just still a Butler .. Why isn't he helping in his company.. Alfred is a dad to bruce
Ugh, you clearly do not understand this character. So let me break down everything you think "wrong" with Batman. (P.S. This is going to be long) 10. (The No Killing Rule) Batman understands that if he kills all these maniacs they could never harm anyone ever again. But that isn't the point. If Batman could just kill these criminals what's to stop him from taking the next step. First kill the psychopaths, then kill anyone who commits a crime, then unite the world into a dictatorship led by him, then make anything that could harm anyone in some way like cars or cigarettes illegal as well, then take away our free will because we're to dangerous and unpredictable to keep that, then do the same to every planet going on a universal conquest for the greater good. This is exactly what happened in the injustice storyline and it's exactly what would happen if Batman made the choice to kill the Joker or any other one of these psychopaths. 9. (The Gadgets) Oh, so you think anyone could be Batman if they had the money to pay for the gadgets. Well there are other superhero billionaires in the D.C. Universe if you didn't know. There is Ray Palmer the Atom, there is Ted Kord the first Blue Beatle, and there is Oliver Queen the Green Arrow. Ray Palmer although he has the money and the brains decides to stay indoors most of the time and work on his tech. He's to scared to go out into the real world and face these psychopaths Batman faces every single day. Ted Kord exact same thing. Oliver Queen a bit different. He does face the psychopaths but if you think even for a second that Oliver Queen is anywhere near on the scale to Batman you'd be mistaken. Batman defeated Superman, Darkseid, and literally became a God with infinite knowledge. So it takes a bit more then fancy gadgets to be Batman. 8. (The Bat Cave) Where else is he supposed to keep his stuff and operate. He can't do it in some random place in the city. He needs to always be close to Wayne Manor to help secure his secret identity. The Bat Cave is directly underneath Wayne Manor and connects to the Gotham Underground Railroad giving Batman access to the entire city. Seems like the perfect place for me. If anything you should have criticized that it's to convenient for such a perfect hideout to be so close to Batman. 7. ( The Wards Are Weird) Dick Grayson: The first Robin was adopted by Batman because Batman saw himself in the boy. Batman saw how this kid was broken and hurt because of his parents death. Batman adopted the boy not to make him into the new Batman but to make it so that he would never become Batman. He helped Dick Grayson defeat his demons and enjoy life instead of becoming a demon and avenging life. Jason Todd: Similar to Dick Grayson, Jason was a kid on the streets with no father who would have become a criminal to survive. But Batman didn't want this to happen so he took the boy in and showed him to do good. Tim Drake: This Robin actually discovered Batman's secret identity by using his detective skills. Batman didn't have much of choice to not let the kid become the new Robin. Damien Wayne: Batman was roofied and raped to having a child who then ten years later was being hunted by the assassin Deathstroke and needed Batman's help. Batman didn't force anyone to do anything. 6. (He's The Superstitious Cowardly One) Batman has never stated that he isn't superstitious. He's worked with magic users before such a Zatanna and Constantine. How would this make him a coward? He uses an animal that used to frighten him to frighten others, seems like bravery to me. 5. (Batman In The World Of Superman) You do realize that the Joker has mind controlled Superman on multiple occasions. The Joker would kill superman using some form of kryptonite and would send Superman's head to Batman as a joke. Just because Superman is powerful doesn't make him unbeatable. 4. (The Psychology Of Bruce Wayne) Yeah everyone knows this. Being Batman takes a toll on Bruce hence way he has Robins and eventually Batman Beyond to carry on the legacy. Batman knows he can't do this alone and he knows that being Batman is killing him but he does it anyway because he's dedicated his life to this and he can't just stop because it's getting hard. 3. (That Secret Identity) Bruce Wayne pretends to be a playboy who travels the world and goes nuts with all his money, no one cares about what he's doing. What to you mean clearly Wayne Tech. Batman has Lucious Fox making his gadgets off the books. There are so many places where you could get that kind of tech. 2. (He Couldn't Keep It Up For Long) Similar to four, Batman knows this hence why he has successors. 1. (It Never Ends) What to you expect, as long as Batman is popular DC is going to want make as much money as possible why on earth would they ever stop. This last one was just annoying nitpicking on your part. Some actual points you should of made would be the disappearing from people when they look away or how he's seen killing aliens multiple times. But no you came up with this shit list. I bet you've never actually read a Batman comic but just did a bunch of research. Before you talk bad about something how about understand it first.
Batman's mission is to stop crime in Gotham. It's an impossible mission. Bruce knows this but tries anyways. Trying to do something even though it's impossible is the entire point of Batman.
I think this is a great list. My first superhero I loved was Batman, and I'm getting back into him, but I admit, these flaws do have some merit. Great list!
Batman's no kill rule is not a good idea. Which is why it's great. It's both a character flaw and a heroic trait. Plus, it makes the story more interesting in the context of comics. It's an ongoing story. If Batman killed the Joker, no more Joker and the world of Batman is less interesting now.
how about the fact that he is a grown man running around in what is essentially a Halloween costume beating up thugs on the street and wasting billions of dollars on gadgets instead of using said billions to open rehab centers and outfit the cops with better tech and so on and so on... instead of trying to play vigilante hero, he should be investing his money to improve the city as a whole legally. if he wasn't being selfish, Gotham could likely be much safer than hes making it now. as for the killing aspect... why doesnt the law put the villains to death legally? i mean, yeah the first few times joker could get away with being labeled as crazy, but there should be a point where the law looks at the situation and says "he clearly is a threat to the city and won't stop in spite of our best efforts.. its time to sentence him to death" (and the same can be said with most any other super villain... (except for a few like lex luthor who can (a) pay off the authorities and (b) can convince people hes less guilty of things than he really is)
darcraven01 He could do all that. I don’t think the comic books about that guy would sell all that well though. People are keen on buying Batman comics, the Philantropist is simply not entertaining enough.
He does other philanthropic things with his money... do you know nothing? Equipping the police force with better tech is an amazing idea really, then the corrupt police can have an ever more negative impact nice (sarcasm).
The fact Bats is trying to stop crime in a corrupt city makes him crazier than the criminals he catches. Without ending the corruption he'll be stuck in a vicious cycle forever but the writers won't let him be *that* smart.
Matthew Goodfriend Don’t forget, absolutely no-one wants the Batman to actually win his war on crime. The comic book would end if he did that, there would be no more yarns for the writers to spin and for the readers to enjoy.
In reality, a skintight costume and cowl will slow down and stiffen your movements, deafen your hearing, and narrow your vision. if in reality you happen to see a man wearing normal street clothes in a fight with a man in a Batman costume, you should place your bets on the man in the normal street clothes. The man in the Batman costume has nothing but disadvantages.
batman's goal is order in goatham. the no killing rule represents the set of rules he fights for. if you take away the no killing rule, you take away the moral code which defines batman's greater purpose. the difference between batman and other superheroes is that other super heroes are fighting for good, and therefore many of the stories they face are about defining what is good and what is bad. Batman has already defined good as order and defined bad as chaos, so his resolve to his moral code is what defines him as good. When batman is choosing to not kill, he's not "being good and his enemies are being bad." he's following a moral code and his enemies aren't.
10. Agreed. While killing shouldn't be used as a first resource for super heroes, there is no reasonable explanation as to why Batman lets the Joker stay alive at this point, other than villain plot armor. 9. Completely wrong. Batman uses his intelligence and deductive ability in almost every single storyline he is in. It can come down to tracking some criminal or understanding their intentions. Most of the time he is doing that is when you see him seating in his chair in front of the bat-computer. 8. Wrong again. The cave is a secure hideout under wayne mansion that only he and Alfred (initially) know that exists. It is practical because it is under his mansion and has many secure underground passageways from where he can access Gotham City. It is also not his only hideout (he even has one on the dark side of the Moon). 7. Complete misrepresentation of Bruce's interaction with the Robin characters: - Dick Grayson (first Robin): parents were killed by a gangster, Dick tried to take matters into his own hands, things go wrong and Batman saves him. Recognizing the same desire for vengeance that he had after his parents were killed, Batman trains Grayson to help them safely catch the gangster. - Jason Todd (second Robin): orphan and petty thief, Batman captures him and takes him to his mansion. At this point, Grayson was acting on his own, and Batman gave the Robin costume to Jason to help him be something greater than he was, realizing the kid had plenty of potential. He was later killed by the Joker and brough back to life with by the Lazarus Pit. - Tim Drake (third Robin): actually hunts down Batman, trying to discover his secret identity and work for him. Once he manages to find him out, Batman refuses to take him in due to his trauma from the death of Jason. However, he is targeted by criminals in an attempt to 'blackmail' Batman. Batman saves him and decides to accept him as a partner. - Damian Wayne (fourth Robins, his son): a trained assassin from birth, taught by the same League of Shadows that trained Batman. He is the most skilled Robin and was dropped in Batman's hands by his mother, Thalia. Batman did the best he could to contain and train Damian to become someone great, since there was no way Damian would accept not figthing crime. 6. Ridiculous. Completely missing the point here. Dressing as a Batman is important to create the SYMBOL of Batman. Before becoming Batman, Bruce tries to fight crime on a regular outfit, and things go awry. He realized that, even with all his training, he needs to be something greater than what he was to instill fear in criminals. He needed to be more than a man. That's why he became Batman. 5. Wrong. Even if Superman was the only hero in the DC Universe, he admitted multiple times that he can't save everyone, and that he has to pick and choose his battles. There is plenty of space for other heroes to take care of other problems. If there is an earthquake in Japan, Superman can't help people there and also take care of the crime in Gotham. 4. Nope. Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batmn is the identity. Of course Bruce doesn't express all aspects of himself when acting as Batman against criminals, but he has plenty of opportunities to do so with Alfred, his sidekicks, the Justice League, etc. Besides, you mentioned in the video his insane mental training and now is just choosing to ignore it? 3. Incorrect. A lot of people know that Batman is Bruce Wayne, including heroes and villains (even the Joker knows that Batman is Bruce). The rest of people just assume that Bruce Wayne finances someone that is Batman, which is a perfectly reasonable assumption. More reasonable than the recluse playboy millionaire being the actual Bat. 2. Agreed, but irrelevant. Time in comics passes in a somewhat different way, and writers create multiple explanations to 'heal' broken heroes. Recently Batman fell in a Lazarus Pit that put his body back into top physical condition, meaning the 10 year mark mentioned is irrelevant, since it is as if he is back to year zero. 1. Agreed. That is a problem with all types of serialized storylines, and even Sherlock Holmes suffered that (Conand Doyle killed Holmes only to have to bring him back due to readers demands). However, there is a solution: the story is about Batman, not Bruce Wayne. If the writers let other people pick up the mantle (as they have many times, but never in a definitive way), the stories could continue forever, but with higher stakes and possibility of closure.
Bruce is actually well aware of the fragile state of his sanity. He has explained that reason why he refuses to kill is because he’s afraid that, if he started killing, he mightn’t know when to stop, or where to draw the line of where killing would and wouldn’t be warranted.
Considering that the various writers have managed how a regular human can be batman...including sleep,eating, healing various injuries etc...It would be easy to make a story where batman kills and manages to justify it. Guy managed to beat the embodiment of Gods Wrath (The specter)
True, it probably wouldn't be too hard to make a story wherein Batman kills without losing his mind. In fact, it'd probably be too easy. Plus, the backlash for having Batman break his famous one rule would be huge, and they'd have to have to retcon it.
That doesnt explain why he goes out of his way to stop villains from dying their deserved deaths, whether by self deletion, accident, or some other character trying to end them. That in and of itself is morbid
That final point could apply to any number of fictional characters: Luke Skywalker, James T. Kirk, Wolverine... I will say that Nolan's passing of the baton was satisfying.
Tbh, i thought that Bruce Wayne just ending his time as Batman in Nolan's trilogy was one of the worst things about it and a sign of Nolan not getting the character at all.
I think at this point the only way to end batman would be like in the punnisher max where he gets killed off for good, and his death motivates everyone to stand up for themselves, and take back back their neighborhoods through shear numbers. That's one of the reasons i disliked the ending to Arkham Knight so much. The whole final act of the game was leading up to batman's eventual death, while we had the entire bat family constantly reminding him he wasn't a lot anymore, and the full support of the general public plus jason todd trying way to hard to prove himself as a suprior bat knock off. It all looked like it was building up to batman giving the ultimate sacrifice, and everyone else having gron enough that they no longer needed him. Instead we got the most obviusly staged death ever, fallowed by batman running around 24/7 doing his best impersonation of a scooby doo vilian.
walkingdeadman19 the trilogy was supposed to create a "realistic" batman. Notice of how there is no literal lazarus pit or a giant beastly man or a man born as a crocodile that eats people?
Refrigerator !!! Noticed how i didn't say a single thing about all that and instead complained solely about Nolan not getting the core of Batman's personality right ? Apparently not.
I disagree. I mean, yeah...it sucks for Batman to actually hang up his cape and cowl, but that was ultimately what Nolan wanted to happen in his films. Originally, Nolan was satisfied with ending his films with the second installment and was hesitant to even make the third. I didn't necessarily care for how he ended it with "Robin" discovering the cave, but I appreciate how it signifies that the continuation of Batman's legacy is everlasting. It's been that way in the comics (more than once) and he brought it to the big screen in a good way, in my opinion.
“When you have someone who’s basically invincible you’ve essentially cured all crime” Yeah show an Injustice panel where we all know that nothing bad happened
All I see is a list of nitpicks taken out of context. I mean seriously, how many time have you referenced Damian having been killed by now? You do know he returns to life, right? That he dies because of his own hubris, right? That his death led to him getting even more development making him into an even better Robin, you did know that, right? You sure this video isn't just an extension for your hate boner for Gotham? Otherwise, it's a good list but still, as I said it's taken out of context.
I think that part of the reason his truth is that he's Batman is that being Batman is a religious experience. The Bat is a part of his worship. He has come to reverence that which he fears,namely the Bat within himself. Acting is involved but great actors integrate the characters into themselves. Bruce Wayne however is a portrayal. To assume that he doesn't feel any of what Bruce would or should feel suggests that he is not a Consummate actor. In order to be a convincing actor you have to do more than make faces. When he is either he is absorbed into the psyche of that character, with all of his emotions. I wonder what would have happened if Wonder Woman asked him with the lasso while he was dressed as Bruce Wayne if he would have said I'm Bruce Wayne as some powerful self hypnotic suggestion to protect the Batman. Some actors use hypnosis at different levels. Some people can enter. Into such a deep state other aspects are indiscernable. I suggest to you that under other circumstances in as different costume he might under the lasso's influence respond " I am justice", or "I am judgement", or" I am the Avenger". He's not superstitious or cowardly. Facing your fears nd even embracing them is not cowardly. I don't think he could have become such a great character and symbol of the reality of hope in many of us if he had not transcended with catharsis or healing. The ongoing almost psychic medium relationship he has with his deceased parents is his ongoing method of closure.
Prash Aveng Lim Ikr. A critic tried to make logic out of a fictional story and character. Over thinking doesn't mean your intelligent or make up valid points. Terrible list
yaa, that 'no killing' rule made sense to me before i thought about brain damage that comes with hanging people upside down and throwing them off builgings, but like, seriously, you didn't even said what was wrong with the batcave it's just 'it's stupid, i don't like it'??? what is the problem???
"Your parents are dead. Put on the gay ass costume and keep those punks with machine guns distracted. What? No. Your costume won't have pants until the 1990s."
Bruce going for 20 years is fine, its actually established that he operated as Batman for just under 20 years. In "Year One" he starts as Batman at the age of 25 and according to "The Dark Knight Returns" he retires age 45, takes 10 years off before returning age 55. But he could go longer due to the Lazarus Pit. In pre-New 52 (possibly in rebirth as it has brought back some continuity from before the New 52) he has been fully submerged in the pit 3 time and has stood in it several times.
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Injustice was written by Batman fanboys, so the logic there is questionable - especially since Superman was more ruthless in the past comics and didn't go insane.
Batman doesn't kill people because he's bigger than that. Killing is a quick end and batman never does anything the easy way, he doesn't need to because he can handle it. He can figure it out, he can overcome anything. That's who he is.
KyodaiKen1979 He made a sacred vow to his mother and father, that he would spend the rest of his life warring against criminals. That vow is what kept his sanity, it's all that takes away the crippling sorrow and darkness inside him. If he kills, what makes him different from the criminals he's warring against. If you understand who batman is you understand why he'll never commit the ultimate sin. It's his heart and will and incorruptability that makes him the avatar of justice, more so than any other superhero.
10. the no-killing rule can be seen as either a strength or a weakness. in various stories he has seriously incapacitated enemies without killing them. 09. various stories have him being seriously smart on his own & minimally using his gadgets to solve crimes. His most useful gadgets are possibly his grapnel gun and his smoke bombs, both for evading dangerous situations. 08. the cave, tho it's existence is arguably silly, is definitely useful - as a place to regroup, study, analyze etc. in safety with plenty of resources not able to be stored on his belt. the most unrealistic thing about it is it's existence in the first place, not it's use. 07. Batman may have actually recruited wards before, but in some stories they really wanted to join him after discovering who he really was. the most ridiculous part of his sidekicks are their silly costumes...but silly is a matter of individual taste. 06. well-noted. he may have been hasty at first in choosing his symbol, but it paid off. if that was a stupid decision on his part, he proves his rationality & brains in the rest of his life as Batman. 05. Superman is one man, he can't handle the entire world's problems, let alone two cities (Gotham & Metropolis) or even his own! Super-villains are supposed to be mighty matches. Don't forget that in the world of Super Heroes, you also have Super Villains. And some might even argue Superman has higher moral standards than Batman (he's not the "dark knight" after all). 04. Batman himself has said before that Batman is his true self, and that Bruce is the cover. 03. Legitimate. It's truly impressive how he pulls off keeping his identity a secret. 02. That's part of his character. He's trained himself to go off an insanely short amount of sleep & be fine for everything else he does. As unrealistic as it seems, it's due to his discipline & training. If you can forgive other odd things about him, you can forgive this. 01. This can easily be blamed on the comic industry - end Batman, end cashflow. Even when he dies, they create new storylines. You can't expect him to ever be permanently over. He's an awesome character for storytellers to play with. And in a few storylines, yes, he has died or had a "conclusion" to his story. Is Batman/Bruce insane for what he's doing? He can't be completely insane as he's the "World's Greatest Detective"...so is his ideal/motive insane? I guess that depends on your view of kindness - at first he was trying to provide for others what he himself did not have...then suddenly a ton of super villains come out of nowhere and now we've got more interesting stories than a simple Batman taking down mobsters all the time. Thanks for your video & examination. No offense intended by these ^ comments/reactions.
Batman prides himself in being the master of stealth, yet he wears a bright ass yellow belt that you can see a mile away. In reality this belt would be a dark color and he also would not be wearing that dumb ass cape in a fight either. (*note* I said "not wearing in a fight" (just in case some nerd wants to correct me about how he needs it to glide off of buildings)
In reality, any superhero is EXTREMELY is interested in having his very existence as secret. Like, urban legend. Cuz in reality, for police he always will be just another crimist
Ice Cold oh ok, so he should wear the cape while gliding n stuff, but if he was about to fight, he would just put it off, right? And don't call other people nerds, you're not any better you dumb af
Ice Cold That cape’s made out of kevlar. It also makes him look more intimidating, giving him a psychological advantage against weaker criminals. He’s tricked most of the criminals in Gotham into believing that he has supernatural powers and the cape reinforces that.
Real number one: He's still the same characters since 40-50 years... Even Superman (for example) changed a lot and have been develloped A LOT since the last few years. The Superman in the comics, Cartoon, games and Movies of the 2010 years is NOTHING like the Superman he was before. Unlike Batman who never really change after all those years... Even when Batman have "something" that make him different from the usual Batman, it's still the same character in therm of personnality and writings. It's still Bruce Wayne (or someone of the Wayne family or even just someone the "Wayne" name) that live a traumatic situation (like the murder of his parents/ son or anything) and then decided to be Batman the Dark Knight etc... etc... etc... The ONLY Batman who is actually a real progress for the character is the one in "Justice league Gods and Monsters". It's not even a Wayne anymore, it's Kirk Langstrom. It's not a billionaire dressed as a bat. it's a scientist with "Vampire-like" powers. Hell Even Superman and Wonder Woman are at 180° from their original characters. Superman is actually Zod's son and is a brutal and ruthless fighter that will not hesitate to kill a baby just to save millions of people.
Yeah but he's getting boring. Like I said it's the same character so he's not interesting anymore and it's also fucking predictable. Fight against Superman ? Tech armor or a kryptonite ass pull. Fight against Joker ? He may seem like losing against Joker strategy but he's one is better because it's meant to look like this. And they're also the biggest problem with him. I like to call it the "batgod" problem. Not in the "new gods" story where he is actually one but I mean in general. I have some examples and you will see what I mean with it: -In the opening scene of Justice League vs Teen Titans (go watch it if you don't know what I'm talking about, I don't know if you say it), Batman is starting to reprimand Robin for his extremly risky action he attempted to do, for now it's fine I have nothing to say about it. Damian made an enormous bullshit that could have cost many lives so his father have "a little talk" with him, no problem. Until Flash, Superman and also Cyborg start being like "yoy chill man" and he just look at them one by one and they're scared. Just fucking why ?!?! He won't attack them until they become a treat and everytime he have to fight one of them, he always use the fact that they will try to reason him by going easy on him because they perfectly know they could kill him instantly if they really wanted to (Flash and Superman are the most obvious because of their respective speeds, they could kill Batman before he even conceive the idea that he may be attacked eventually, but Cyborg could just whipe him out of existence with is enormous laserbeam and also speed but anyway). Especially for Superman, kryptonite wasn't discovered at this point of the story so he litteraly had nothing to fear of Batman, hell in this universe (more precisely in Justice League "War") we did saw what happened if Batman is trying to fight Superman without cheating Kryptonite, he's getting his ass kick very badly even if Supes is going in with like less than 1% of his max power. but anyway this example was quite long so next one: -In the movie Justice League Dark, Batman is scaring ghost... Fucking why again they're already dead, he can't do shit to them and for them he's just a powerless human without any magical ability that could "hurt" or disturb them and he just look a them with an evil look ad they're gone... Why ? Because it's Batman shut up... -In the movie Batman, Superman apocalypse (I think it's this one but the example remain the same anyway) Batman was able to keep up with Darkseid, just because he was wearing on if his general's armor. Why ? Because it's Batman shut up... We could argue on the fact that the armor could have been efficient enough or something BUT ! You can't argue about the next one because: -In the original Justice League animated show, Batman was able to tank a few hit from Darkseid, without any armor on or something. And don't tell me it's because Darkseid was going easy on him or somthing, he's not as nice as Superman, we're talking about Darkseid remember ? If he's trying to hit someone, he will always have the intention of hurting him, and if he want to hurt Batman who have nothing to tank a hit from him, Batman dies or he is at the very very least paralysed for life with all his bones broken for life or something... End of the story. But he still survived easily without breaking a sweat. Why ? Because it's Batman shut up... (are you starting to get my point or what ?) If you want more example I can give you more even more stupid than those ones.
Superman win everytime ? Excuse me ? Superman vs Sinestro in Superman TAS: Lose. Superman vs Parasite (first encounter): Lose. Superman vs Lex Luthor who have Kryptonite all the time: Lose almost everytime. Superman vs Doomsday: Sacrifice himself so technically he didn't lose but he's not the winner either... Superman vs Batman in BVS: Lose and survive because batman realise that Supes is at the same situation he was himself when his parents got killed. And btw: When Superman win: "He's too op, it's boring he's untouchable !" When he lose: "HAHAHAHA He's so weak !" See what I mean ?
Bruh what i mean is that Superman mostly wins his battles alot of the time you don't have tell me that he's lost before because he normally wins once he literally went back in time he also lifted 20 quintillion tons
“If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world remain the same.” -Batman. I agree with this because you shouldn’t kill every damn criminal or scumbag you find, but there are a select few (like the joker) who do need to die considering they will always escape and take more lives. I agree with the gadgets thing to an extent because he is also extremely gifted at the use of stealth and has also perfected every fighting style known to man. Not to mention he uses fear to his advantage. What I’m saying is that even if you took away all his toys, he’d still kick your ass. The batcave is crucial because not only does it act as a storage facility, it is also used for training and has an active laboratory which can come in handy if Batman needs information quick, Alfred can just send the results through the batcomputer. Granted it doesn’t need to be a cave but it helps for thematic impact. He doesn’t force the Robin’s to fight crime. They always want to avenge their family or loved one’s death and Batman just helps them in that pursuit. Eventually the Robin realizes that nobody should have to endure such pain so they are glad to take up the mantle. They can leave at any point it’s not like he’s forcing them to stay there, it’s happened before. Yes he’s kind of superstitious but it’s more about projecting his own fear of the bat onto the criminals of Gotham. You can’t lie, even if he is superstitious he’s still badass. Superman may be fast but he’s not nearly fast enough to stop every crime in the world every day. A crime is happening literally anywhere at any given moment always, there is almost never a moment when a crime is not happening. And Superman doesn’t really frequent Gotham that much let alone anywhere other than Metropolis (for the most part) so Bruce decided to do something. I agree with the psychology part because that event changed him, it morphed him into someone else. Is that a bad thing? Not at all, he’s still a remarkable human being as Bruce Wayne and also as Batman. I mean this guy has pledged his life to help others. Whether he does it as Bruce Wayne with million dollar donations and the like or as Batman by beating up criminals in the streets, really makes no difference to me. They guys got a heart of gold even though he doesn’t show it. Several people have figured out his identity. Superman just used his X-Ray vision to look through the cowl, Bane was able to connect the dots on multiple occasions (though he forgot one time because of too much TN-1 venom), and Catwoman also knows though there are multiple versions of how. Some she found out herself, others Bruce just straight up told her. Ra’z knew as well and so did the Joker (some versions anyway), hell even Amanda Waller figured it out. Less people know Superman’s identity and all he does cosmetically is change his hair and wear glasses. 20 years is a long ass time of fighting criminals and it’s not like there is no more Batman after that. That’s the purpose of training a Robin, so there is someone to take up the mantle of Batman. This way criminals will believe him to be supernatural or immortal which will only add to the fear that is already there. It never ends. I mean duh, nobody is gonna look at Batman and be like “Eh guess we can’t make any more money with this guy.” It’s just gonna keep getting remade until someone takes it into a new direction, then it will get remade again and again then rinse and repeat you get the idea. I’m not saying there are no flaws with the character I mean there are some inherent issues with him, these just aren’t any of them
If someone's a true Batman fan, they'll accept his faults and admit his limitations. I love me some Batman but I'll admit he's not the perfect superhero people make him out to be.
cgarciahfcu at least you have some sense
there are many times Batman got beat up by bad guy so we know he have limit, but isn't because he willing to stand up again despise all those injuries make us like Batman?
He is the superhero we all deserve, just not the one we need right now. So we will hunt for his imperfections and limitations. Because he can take it. Because he is not our hero. He's a silent gaurdian, a watchful protector. A dark knight....
Actually most Batman fans like him because of his limitations. He rolls with the Justice League. But nobody ever seems to pay attention to why. He's got no rivalry with Superman if anything they are great friends that make each other stronger.
What Batman adds is uncanny detective skills, a high IQ and an ability to strategize. Hence in big events with wars and conflicts you'll find Superman brawling with big foes and Batman coordinating the League.
It doesn't really make Batman 'less' than Superman. It just means he's 'strengths' lie elsewhere.
But somehow debates about worth always come down to brute force and laser eyes to simplify it.
Superman would slam Batman in two.
Casually. So would many.
But I don't see most of them be uncannily good at exact sciences, research, stealth or ruthless psychological warfare. Hence the 'Trinity' is so epic. Although I mostly just read the Batverse. (i like the grittier side and the frequent crime mysteries etc) I can appreciate how each of the three represents something they're the premiere hero of. Both morally, methodology wise and ability wise.
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His secret identity is Bruce Wayne, not Batman. Wonder Woman's lasso of truth was tied around her hand, Superman's hand and Batman's hand. and said that on the count of three all of them would reveal each other's true identities to each other, Wonder Woman says she is Diana of Themiscyra, Superman says Kal-El and Clark Kent, Batman responds with Batman, this is his actual identity, Bruce Wayne is the act he puts up.
Scott Hadden Indeed! Let's Get this comment to the top so WhatCulture can see it
Scott Hadden exactly
HAHAHA..that would be awesome to see in movie/animated form. They all say their real names and Batman goes..."I'm Batman".
Scott Hadden---I would like to see that in some future movie. It would be EPIC.
dayostical---Your comment made me laugh. Your funny.
Robin: Batman, the Batmobile won't start
Batman: Did you check the battery?
Robin: What's a tery?
Oh, I get it 😂
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“The only people Bruce ever loved were his parents. The sooner you know that, the better” -Dick Grayson
What comic is that from?
Valid, but I disagree with the Bat-Cave point. Where else is he meant to store everything?
Also its less a point of him seeking out a cave to hang out and more the fact that there already is a cave beneath Wayne manor
Harry I and it isn't on any maps, making it even better
Euan O'Curry AND it's so vast and cavernous, that Brucie-Boy's got several secret entrances to it throughout the Manor.
S҉waggy Mc.Daddy the size of several super cars, tanks, jets, boats, a supercomputer, and Bat Shark Repellent?
I find it stupid that by coincidence, Bruce's ancestors discovered the underground railroad, yet Thomas Wayne never opened that up for tourism and even covered it up. Then Bruce discovers it and decides to use this place as a secret base. Despite owning millions of property all over Gotham that he can use as a secret base while he can use the railroad for tourism and giving people history on Gotham.
Actually, I believe Bruce Wayne is the mask. Batman is his true self.
Athen Walton It's beyond obvious at this point, same could be said about other Dc heroes, their alter egos are just masks, and their hero counterparts are their true self, in Marvel it's completely the oposite and that's what makes it so interesting imo
Batman has admitted on several occasions that Bruce Wayne is the facade and Batman is his true self. Its definitely true about Superman. He was born Kal-El/Superman. Clark Kent is the "mask"
knytrydr73 that really depends on the continuity, Golden Age was the infant raised by the Kents and Clark was who he was and Superman just his action ID, Silver Age he was more Kal-El/Superman and Clark Kent his mask that he would escape into for a break from being Superman, then after the original Crisis back to him growing up a mortal so that Clark Kent was who he was and Superman simply his 'job' while helping make the world a better place. I've no idea what the latest reboot is but he's had both be true.
"It's not who I am underneath.., but what I do that defines me."
MrMusiqa "You could also use your nigh-unlimited resources to revolutionize law enforcement with all the wisdom and knowhow you've been hoarding for the past seven decades..."
It's not just the gadgets and physical condition that make him Batman in the storylines. It's his mind. His skills are extraordinary.
1. Never in human history has killing put an end to killing. It may stop certain killers from killing, but if it "makes sense" to kill, then you can't blame someone for "going crazy" and killing someone, can you? It's just a cycle of life, and Batman is using his only real super power - his brain - to attempt to break the cycle even when the desire to just end someone drives him nuts.
2. Batman's gadgets depend on the writers. In some incarnations, he's the Howard Hughes of crime fighting, designing his own equipment from simple Batarangs to the Batcave's super computer, to the flying troop transport in the recent Justice League movie. In other incarnations, he has brilliant guys like Lucius Fox and others he's either bought off or who owe him favors doing the actual design and assembly. A combination makes the most real-world sense, possibly including deals with Uncle Sam in addition to law enforcement.
3. The Bat Cave makes perfect sense. If someone puts it together that Batman has wonderful toys, and Bruce Wayne is rich enough to supply them or perhaps use them, he can't very well have the Batmobile in his garage with a tarp over it if someone comes snooping. Area 51 has whole hangars that can't be hidden from prying eyes. Underground is a very logical answer, but perhaps it's the Bat-motif itself that he's arguing about here.
4. Robin was created for one reason - LITTLE KIDS WERE READING THE COMICS and the producers wanted to give them characters to identify with that weren't usually included in "noir-ish crime comics" at the time - and that's it. After Frank Miller, Denny O'Neil and others started opening it back up a bit trying to appeal to more mature fans, Dick Grayson started aging, became Nightwing, and it became a matter of traditionalists versus Robinists. Some asked how can you have Batman without Robin? Others said, why isn't Batman in jail for exploiting a child? I want to see Elsewhere versions where that issue is dealt with in various ways, personally, but in general I think of Chris O'Donnel in Batman Forever as the perfect age for Dick Grayson.
5. He's not cowardly, although controlling fear is an essential part of the whole concept, and as superstition, he's more of an exploiter than a believer, but in a world with multiple dimensions and Solomon Grundy's, he clearly has to keep an open mind as well.
6. Superman isn't God, nor are all the "supers" capable of ending all crime. In the Superfriends era, when Superman could do virtually ANYTHING, like move so fast he could appear to be Clark Kent AND Superman standing close together at virtually the same time... yes. In the more realistic tales, it makes as much sense as anything else in a world where people can leap a tall building in a single bound.
7. The psychology of Bruce Wayne is part of the fun of reading the comics. He's got Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, but controls it enough to focus it on one, long-term mission. He's more Batman than playboy Bruce, but when the Bat-mask comes off, and he's not entertaining guests or putting on a playboy Bruce party, he's typically the kid who got scarred all those years ago and had to find creative ways to deal with the loss of his family/ sense of reality/ sense of safety/ sense of self. I don't think its a "problem" that isn't addressed, because it is, but the guy who did this piece got nearly a million hits, so he's clearly trying to stir up some feedback, which I'm obviously doing. Hats off to you, sir.
8. The secret identity is not a problem either. Jim Gordon knows, or strongly suspects, but doesn't say anything. Others know, from Alfred to Lucius to the many others who have and do put it together - when he's not revealing it himself to the Robins, etc. Before Chris Nolan did his big ending, Bruce Timm and Frank Miller before that speculated about Wayne eventually being outed as the Bat. It all leads into another so-called "problem" however...
9. Longevity. It's safe to say that whatever incarnation/generation, the basic story is this: at 25, Bruce becomes Batman. By the time he's 30, he's met Dick Grayson, has dealt with Harvey Dent's fall from grace, and largely cleaned up Gotham's traditional organized crime, only to see a rise in the Rogue's Gallery of "super" criminals. By the time he's 35, Bruce's war on crime has taken a heavy toll. He's had a falling out with Dick, possibly Barbara Gordon as well, and they're questioning his sanity when he takes on Jason Todd as the 2nd Robin. By the time he's 40, the Joker has left Jason dead, and Barbara in a wheelchair, but Gotham is no longer the same city. Bruce can leave the street-level thugs to the police and his extended "Bat-family", which by then includes Tim Drake - the 3rd Robin - and Barbara's Birds of Prey, leaving Bruce to focus on leaving a legacy for the world in the form of the Justice League. By the time he's 45, after TWENTY YEARS obsessively fighting crime, he hangs up the cape and cowl after his illegitimate son Damien became the 4th Robin and died because of his overly-obsessive behavior. He takes Selina Kyle and tours the world. By the time he's 55, the whole Bat-family decides to retire the Caped Crusader due to the abundance of meta-humans and Gotham's entry into the "civilized" likes of Metropolis. Dick and others have occasionally taken up the mantle of The Bat when needed (fueling speculation about whether or not Batman is super-human, or multiple people, or simply a myth made up by the police to scare would-be criminals), but they all agree to hang it up for good. By the time he's 60, in the wake of planetary invasions, Lex Luthor as President, and other calamities, ordinary people question whether or not they need a Watchtower in space watching over their activities. Bruce comes out of retirement to stop Harvey Dent from going on a killing spree, but the Bat's return awakens a catatonic Joker, who murders Selina Kyle, and triggers a confrontation between Batman and Superman that will decide whether or not the "supers" are really in charge. Bruce defeats Superman, but fakes his own death, and goes into hiding with vast portions of his financial empire. By the time he's 70, Bruce emerges to act as a mentor to the new Batman, Terry McGinnis, and presumably dies leaving others to carry on into the future. That story works whether Bruce turned 25 in 1939, and died in 1984, or whether he turned 25 in 1986 (DKReturns), and dies in 2031 (which would mean he's just starting his ten year sabbatical with Selina right around now. Anyway, that's how I see it. That's why...
10. It Never Ends. The comics just focus on the period of his being 25 to 45, and kind of keep retelling those stories and occasionally add something new that feels like it should've been there the whole time (like Harley Quinn, or Bruce suffering a broken back, etc). Someday maybe they'll invent a pill that makes us all live longer and they'll adapt the story accordingly, who knows? This character will outlive us all. The ONLY "problem" I have is that I won't live long enough to see all the new and interesting places they'll take it. But I suspect that he and Superman are to America what Hercules and Perseus and Jason and the Argonauts were to the people of the Hellenistic period. That's pretty awesome. Makes you wonder if they'll still be getting it right two thousand years from now... and what mysteries are interlaced in the saga as we speak...
Hey how do you separate your paragraphs like that? It doesn't seem to work for me.
Sooooooooo excellent!!!!
I completely agree 😊
David Bracey preach
I just hit enter twice.
Wait, wait, wait, wait... Wait, Bruce Wayne is Batman?
Omega4491 That's not right. Are we sure?
+ Robert Stirling I don't know, I'm currently spending millions of dollars into research to find out if this is true.
Someone needs to confirm this. My mind is blown.
Im sure its just a rumor going around. Why would Bruce Wayne even do such a thing?
Omega4491 Wait wait wait wait wait
Whos batman?
I don't get what your problem with the bat cave is? The argument you provided for it was "He doesn't really need it..." Why? That's not an argument and you made no attempt to provide any supporting evidence for that statement. If he didn't have a cave then he would have a factory, or an underwater base, or a base in a hidden building, or a base somewhere else either way he does need something of that nature to store his stuff and plan/monitor the city so what's the problem with a cave under his mansion? Along with some of the other "problems" the maker of this video rambled about it seems to me the person has very little or no understanding of either the character of Batman or of comics in general. This video was a failure from start to finish.
Absolutely agree with this comment. Probably one of the stupidest whatculture videos I have seen so far. "He doesn't need a cave other then to hold all his toys..."
congrats, you just answered your own question. If the cave is to hold all his toys, and as you said the only thing really setting him apart is his toys, then obviously he not only needs them to win but he needs a place to hide them. The logic in this video, like this video, is poor quality.
Dido. I was just about to make the same post. What this guy is saying makes not a literal lick of $2 fuccing cents. I barely read comics and know enough to understand the simple question of where would Batman build and construct all of his technology? In public? On his front lawn? at his company with everyone in the company informed about it? The concept of the cave is meant for secrecy, but the person of this youtube channel who made this video probably just has adsense on his mind, Couldn't come up with anything creative for a Batman video so just decides to make pointless arguments as filler for more time in a video, therefore disrespecting the audience's intelligence, or he's just a dumb ass. One of those.
Troldust I think he needs it in case someone tried to blackmail him and they needed to search his house I'm sure they wouldn't find the entrance to the batcave
Exactly. He needs SOMEPLACE to hide his toys, and I can't see why the Batcave is dumber than any other secret place. Sure, it could be a secret room in Wayne Manor, but to be truly secret it probably needs to be underground anyway. And really, is a Batbasement any better than a Batcave?
Tim Walden why wouldn’t batman need a batcave .. if anyone found out his secret identity or thought they did, they probably wouldn’t know where the secret lair of batman is but if he has bat shit all over his house people that go over would find it ..remember, Wayne manor isn’t the most secure mansion out there, there are always people over
Didn't they upload a video like a couple of days ago where they said that Superman can't fix all crimes in the world over a night....?
Viktor Polzer I thought the exact same thing when he referenced Superman
Viktor Polzer They don't coordinate their content I guess.
Maybe not in a night, but for sure way faster than anything Batman could do.
The point was that Batman in a world of SUPER heroes like Superman, Flash, and Green Lantern... well it's amazing the world would even need the man.Even with how skilled he is.
There was a story line that dealt with this. It explains that the people of Gotham are very territorial. When Superman came to help Batman clean up his city, the citizens became outraged and started rioting because they only trust Batman and not an Alien. This is a good enough explanation for why Superman stays away from Gotham for the most part. And just the fact that Superman has the rest of the world to look after.
the problem is super-man cant be everywhere at once nor 24/7... also he's the poster child of a law abiding individual... with him there's always a line; BvS showed a more gritty version n i think criminals would still fear the bat after all who in their sane minds would dress in a bat costume n prowl the nights hunting down criminals...
“When you have superman you solve all the issues overnight”
Except you know.....you don’t
Well, even if you do, you can't. Injustice proved that point...
"HaHAHAHA! I The Joker am about to unleash poison gas all over Goth-"
WHOOSH
"Huh? How did I end up in this prison cell?" -laughs nervously-
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@@gerardlacroix6015 Yeah, They included that to 3:56
Well, except Kryptonite, the Parasite, Metallo, and Doomsday.
Batman is my favourite male character, but even I can admit that he's not perfect. That's why people like him so much.
No, people like him because of how perfect he is.
maxdrags3
Okay, and how tf is he perfect? He's made more mistakes than other character that I know. (Not trying to start a fight, just wanna know.) I've never thought of him as being anything other than a normal, albeit rich, guy.
Kitty Spalla he's alright but he Protect Gotham at least
Bruce Wayne
He's actually protected the entire world in several cases. If you weren't very fond of the character, then why would you name the account after him and/or use him as your profile picture though? That's what I don't understand...
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There's a difference between being intelligent and being perfect. Please learn the difference, and how to properly write a sentence.
"There's absolutely no reason for having an underground lair BEYOND STORING HIS TOYS and MASSIVE FUCKING VEHICLES"
You straight up answered your own question there mate. This isn't just nitpicky, this is plain stupid.
Aglinoodle I'd gladly accept the Batcave if he had climate controlled spaces for all his supercomputers and specialized equipment. You ever go caving or spelunking? Caves tend to be humid and his has hoards of bats flying around, no doubt pooping on everything. And he has all his expensive crap just sitting out in the open!
all the bats have tiny shock collars and there is an invisible shock fence - so that bats dont come near to his stuff. Geez man. You ain't nerded up on my level. Caves are generally cool, so that wouldn't be a problem for his computers, but the humidity would depend on the amount of water, whether its still/flowing, and the amount of ventilation in the cave.
It's a lair, he can easily get another place but he chooses his place to be a cave. It sounds cool but it is stupid.
Don’t forget, he also keeps his detective gear and computers there. He needs a place to go to solve his cases.
@@rickycool6083 plus Batman, bat cave, you know, bats. Bats that sleep in caves :V there are all kinds of videos out there that talk bad about specific things, its normal, and easy to ignore, but sometimes the persons reasoning is so dumb, it reminds me exactly why it needs to be ignored. But yeah, this is pretty dumb lol
This video was really uneducated, and unfortunately it reveals a skin-deep understanding of batman from the author.
A few points:
1. Batman normally doesn't have a high ethic standard, and uses the no-kill rule to keep himself in check. And if you want to blame someone, blame Gotham state law, which keeps these crooks alive.
2. No, absolutely not. This is no Iron man. Not anyone could be batman. Beyond his physique and genious level intellect is a superhuman determination to never ever give up, and the will to see it through.
3. I genuinely don't know if this was just something you made up last minute to fit 10 things into a list. Where else would you hide a goddamn plane?
6. Are you kidding me? Have you even heard of kryptonite? Also, whilst superman is nowhere near stupid, he is pretty guillable. Why do you think his nemesis is a genious? Also, the other heroes pretty much suffer the same problem. I suggest reading JLA: Tower of Babel or injustice.
7. Yeah, his mind is kind of messed up. But that balances the character and makes him more interesting. Honestly don't see the problem. But that actually a good understanding of his psychology here. Points.
8. Yes and no. In the world of DC there are actually many labs who could make this kind of stuff. Starlabs or Luthorcorp as an example. But some people have figured it out, but chose not to reveal it.
9. Some comics do show the effect of his aging and subsequent retirement. Read The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Beyond.
10. Yeah. That's just his luck. But he pushes himself to it. He tries to make himself not needed, but in the kind of world he lives in, that's just not going to happen
Lasse Frahm Bertelsen I agree I honestly think this guy is a batman hater😂 he do have a point about robin though but that's it everything else he was just degrading his character
The problem with Bruce's psychology is that it is mostly sane mostly by fiat. There is no mechanism and coping strategies shown where he deals with all the mental scarring that he witnesses as Batman. And he sees worse shit than Gotham's veteran beat cops. But none of that is permanent or builds up or is shown being haunted by it, by it affecting him.
But what is more important is that he does not struggle about this. Him being his Batman persona is how he deals with the trauma of childhood, but he is almost never shown that this mechanism goes to far or him really struggling to maintain control or just failing to work. Not just about killing, but him losing his grip on reality or have other symptoms, like depression or mood swings or whatever. At best, when something happens to him that is too close, he hides behind his mask more (like in Bruce Wayne - Murderer?, where he denounced himself from being Bruce Wayne and this comic actually dealt with this issue somewhat).
Realistically speaking, Batman's mental condition should be much more fragile than it is. He should be showing him maintaining (and struggling to maintain) his persona, his life, his balance. While sometimes some leeway is given on Alfred being an anchor for him (sometimes Robin or Leslie), he just takes it all like super-macho man.
Still have to disagree with #1. Pointing out that multiple people share responsibility or a chance to have fixed the problem is irrelevant. Sure, he might risk slipping back into himself, but the Joker is constantly flat out murdering people. If he just killed him straight off, how many lives would he have saved? Even putting his mental state at risk, I would make that risk to save that many lives.
The absolutely no killing rule doesn't make moral or ethical sense to me. That being said, I do like the push towards not treating killing lightly, because it should only be for when it becomes apparent it is absolutely necessary for the greater good; and no, not like the potentate Superman of Injustice tended to use that term for. He just started killing people who didn't necessarily need it, without real good rational on why it needed to be done. That is murder.
Sorry, but this is just stupid. Why does BATMAN have to kill the Joker? Why hasn't Gotham state killed the Joker in a legal execution? He sure as hell deserved it. Hell, Joker should have died from an "accident by cop" and no one would have have cared very much. I'd imagine that even Batman would only protest. The fact that he doesn't kill at any other time suggests that he doesn't absolutely NEED to kill to do his thing.
Batman doesn't see it as his job to PUNISH the criminals,that would be becoming judge, jury and executioner. He STOPS the criminals and that's it. It's not just about not getting his hands bloody, it's about keeping himself on one side of the righteous line. If he crosses that line, there is little that differentiates him from being a super-villain himself.
The other problem is that if you make an exception for the Joker, why stop there? Why shouldn't he kill other super-villains that no prison can hold? Killer Croc, who has become increasingly mutated and inhuman in each incarnation? Ra'z who'll get resurrected anyway? If you start making excuses for the Joker, you start finding yourself needing a reason NOT to kill most of Batman's recurring enemies.
Why hasn't Gotham state just killed him? You might as well ask why Batman is even being a vigilante then, because the state has cops. If you are going to fulfill and extra lawful persona to do the things the state doesn't do well enough to protect people, innocent people - yes, you should kill the joker.
I never said stop at the joker either, but the slipper slope fallacy needs to end. Unlike what people think, there is a huge well defining wall between justifiable kills to the madness of something like Injustice superman. It goes something like this: If said person is a threat to society, and jail will most likely not stop him, and he is almost certain to kill again... Do the world a favor, and save someone. And this was actually especially bad when we had Injustice batman not killing injustice joker, to the point he eventually nuked a city and killed millions, kick-starting the whole thing. People who would have been saved if he had the stones.
not hating, ok? Im not. But this list makes no sense XD How are these problems? You WANT Batman going around murdering people? Ok... Also. He is Batman. He himself IS Btman, Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batman is the real Bruce Wayne. The Bat cave: How the hell is this a problem??? XD He's got a huge space to store all his toys! Plus it's bad ass. Also, the point you made with Bruce Wayne, getting figured out, isn't too valid. "Bruce Wayne'' isn't too fond of Batman. He does what he can to keep it a secret. Also. 20 years being Batman is a REALLY good run, it isn't a problem. Besides, he has Terry to take over as Batman for him anyways. I just think this list is has more problems than Batman :)
To answer the murdering part, no, most people who say this or like Zack Synder's movies don't want Batman to kill people all the time. It's just frustrating that the comics keep being written the way they are with the status quo being reset and the violence being ramped up to ludicrous levels that it frustrates us to see cop outs like Batman purposefully saving a person who keeps mass killing people or just retcon stuff like: OH remember that moment Batman did something that would normally kill someone? Well, Batman is just SOOOO careful that he can bust a man's head open and they'll be perfectly fine. Remember when Batman had a moment of weakness and possibly questioned his world view? Well actually never killed that guy so no need for any development at all.
I just want to iterate that Batman should normally never kill people it's his default, but the way the comics are written now just really make me hate Batman and the writers for not having the balls to actually have certain villains either stay dead or become reformed like people keep saying. It doesn't even have to be Batman's hand that kills them just let something change the status quo enough that the stories actually have lasting consequences.
And having superman to clear his enemys is soo stupid it would be so boring and batmans even told superman that he should stay out of his way
Uh...why is it murder when Batman kills a serial killer but its NOT murder when literally EVERY OTHER hero kills villains for less?....
Ya wanna defend that one, genius? 🤭
Instead of asking Batman or any other superhero to kill people, why don't the cities they protect so a better job of keeping them locked up?!
Seriously! How many times nice The Joker break or of Arkham before you get it right?!
Marcus Allen why hasn't bruce wayne bought arkham asylum and hired better people so no one would break out ???
greenbeancom38 He can't do everything for the people of Gotham. Like Harvey Dent said: He doesn't want to do this forever. Gotham needs to learn how to stand on its own two feet.
Marcus Allen how is buying arkham asylum doing everything for the ???
greenbeancom38 there are superhumans who are blood thirty
They would tear through arkham
PANTHOR109 Tha best so batman can't design or get a super hero too help build up arkham asylum so no one breaks out
It's not that nobody will admit them. It's that nobody really cares!
no, its just that butthurt Batbabies dont like hearing ppl criticize the Mary-Sue of comic heroes
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww everytime I feel like a loser I always come to youre cringe comment ... it always make me feel better
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww lmao the comment makes it seem like you're the crybaby
@@nra3zehuti781 aaaw, dont like the truth? Batman, or more specifically Bruce Wayne is one of the biggest Mary-Sues out there. If I had $1 everytime I heard "I created a programme..." come out of his mouth, especially in the animated series I'd b rich. Bruce is a rich kid, he's not a fucking computer programmer. Terry Mcginnis was way better.
@@ozkan576 how? just because I'm stating the truth?
Here's my problem with the "Batman should kill" argument;
Batman is not a legally recognised member of law enforcement in the DCU (except for Adam West). He is barely tolerated in most incarnations by the police and is therefore not authorised to kill. There's no way the police or general public would be okay with a masked maniac running around murdering criminals on the streets. It's also not his responsibility to murder people in the name of justice. It's up to the courts, the law, the actual officially recognised members of government to make those calls.
Think about it, would you want to live in a city where Batman was murdering people he thought was guilty? FUCK no!
Not really murder is the criminal REALLY deserves it, especially the joker... Also, there are ways to get around "murdering" a criminal.
Also, you do realize that batman would have EVERY right to kill the joker in order to defend against him attacking and trying to kill other innocent people.
Also, you assume that batman would kill even the least worse criminals, news flash, he wouldn't.
The law would still arrest him for murder due to the fact that he took the law into his own hands, Batman is a vigilante and is a criminal. Just because it would save lives doesn't mean it is right to take a life, where would you draw the line, how many people would you kill to save others? A series by the name Fate/Stay night actually had a point, a character that wanted to save everyone broke down after having to kill thousands to save even more lives it broke his will and he then was put to death for the number of people he himself killed to save all those lives.
THE LAW!? Batman is a violent vigilante, he's already see himself above the law. Legally Batman NOT killing villains would be pointless as they have all been held against their will without due process. If I tie up a guy and drop him off in front of a police station with evidence attached to him, he be let go that same day and that evidence would be thrown out as unmissable in court.
My problem with the "Batman should/shouldn't kill" argument is that in many comics, and even in a few entire arcs he does kill...
That also beg the questions "Why the people who in charge do not sentence all this bullshit to the death after they caught them???" .... It is always like this... Bad guy broke out of jail or something and commit the crime.... Batman caught bad guys and send them into police hand.... And then they broke out again??? Am I miss some tricks here???
"So why doesn't he just kill The Joker?" This alone show how much whoever made this list know about the Batman.
Soundwave VR look, he just doesn't want to kill (even though in these 78 years he's killed sometimes lol), but everyone with common sense would say that. I know a lot about Batman and other Superheroes from DC and Marvel and why some do not want to kill, but a down to earth reader that isn't soft af would think that sometimes, it's easy to kill the villains and then nothing bad would happen. It's common sense
Chief Bill, no it really isn't.
Batman isn't a cop, he's not law enforcement and most of the things he gets away with is only because the Police more or less approve of what he's doing, as do the thousands upon thousands of costumed meta-humans in the DCU. The moment Batman becomes a murderer, unless he's got a damn good reason they'd just throw him in the slammer and throw away the key. Same as any other murderer.
Where common sense comes in, is that The Joker would never get sent back to Arkham after the second time of this shit happening. He'd be sitting on Death Row and would eventually get a needle in his arm with no help needed from Batman.
LupineShadowOmega well if you read the comics you would know that joker rarely get actually cought
Suncho, to that I say simply...BULLSHIT. The Joker gets fucking caught all the time. Well that is before he started getting fan wanked with every breath.
well in the past yeah, but they didn't really care much with consistency back in the days. lately he doesnt get caught that often, and maybe we can say he usually escapes pretty fast, so he wouldn't wait for his injection to happen.
BTW, i generally agree with you, just wanted to point out, that lately, batman barely manages to stop jokers plans and live after that, not to talk actually getting him "arrested"
as for the no killing rule, yes. the moment he starts killing the general law enforcers won't be such fans of his.
that plus the fact, that he is actually insane. if he kills someone, he may very well break and actually became more dangerous than the joker.
This is what happen when a hipster just decides to make comic videos, and knows nothing.
Batmaniac
Agreed
Batman is gay boy lik u
thx for this comment !
I thought he was going to complain that Batman isn't SJW enough...but no...quite the opposite. I was actually impressed by the video.
Your point about the batcave is stupid. The Batcave absolutely makes sense as a place where he can keep his costume, gadgets, the batmobile, batwing and other batvehicles and all the stuff he accumulates from the guys he was fighting over the years. Or do you expect him to park the batmobile in the front yard, keep the cape in his bedroom and have the batcomputer standing in th livingroom? Would be quite awkward to have visitors if he did that.
Dead Phoenix But a cave big enough to fit all that? Oh please
The cave is stupid imo. It's very impractical ergonomically for batman to make a cave hideout.
exactly what i was thinking....that was a really stupid point of them to make
except big ass caves or caverns do infact exist irl - even in the american region in which fictional gotham city seems to be next to -, how is that even a question lol
His point about the bat-cave is the fetishism of the bat-cave. Beyond having a storage room, there is no reason why Batman should be spending any time down there. It makes him an emo driven teenagers, and that's just silly.
This was made by a hipster who never picked up a comic.
Dude as a Batman fan these are all points I make all the time.
@@koichidignitythief7429 Well I dissagree mate. Sorry.
@Abdul Shah I am a Batman fan. Just because I question the validity of everything the comics do.
Seems like an amateur made this list.
He only trained with ra's al ghul in the dark knight movie
Amateur is an understatement 😉
So very true
This list is such a waste of time it's as if a critic with no real appreciation of friction or comics and no background in comics put this together. I've seen all I need to see from this channel.
So tru
Batman said it himself for why he doesn't kill. When asked by the Jason Todd why he doesn't just kill the Joker, Batman replied as such. "If I do that, allow myself to go down into that place, i'll never come back". Batman means he wouldn't be able to stop once he began. It would be too easy to do after that point.
So, his one life is more important than the HUNDREDS that the Joker kills just so he can fucking feel good about himself? Give me a break!
varanid9 I know this isn’t Canon, but Superman killed Joker in injustice. Then he killed even more people, and it exactly proved Batman’s point, that you can never come back. In killing joke, the joker almost edged Batman to turn insane, so that he can prove a point that anyone can be crazy from one bad day. However, Gordon told Batman to apprehend joker by the book. After all, Joker is crazy. Batman thinks that he can solve Joker’s problems. In Batman hush: Batman was basically going to kill the joker, but Gordon again stopped him, because Gordon doesn’t want Batman descend into madness. Even though Joker has killed a lot of people at the end of the day, Batman can’t kill him, because it proves a point that he’s just as bad as the joker. And that’s why Joker kills and is obsessed with Batman. He wants Batman to kill him.
varanid9 The amount of corpses Batman would leave behind if he cracked would make the supervillains envious. Just saying.
Ultimate Rodgers Who are you talking to? Who said he'd be worse? Varanid9 spoke of his life versus others' but I'd argue that this is not really about numbers, even if he is trained so well that he'd be a force of nature if he did decide to rid Gotham of every villain for good. He's not exactly recovered or stable, say what you will. So he's got his rigid rules to bring order and stability. If he went and killed someone that might disturb it. If he did he'd be more likely to become like Yagami Light in Death Note than the Joker imo. But we'll never know because... it's Batman.
Also, why is it always 12? Shake it up a bit, internet! Make it 13 for a change, or 10. It's tremendously boring.
Because everyone who kills in self defense becomes murderers eventually. And every soldier and cop is a serial killer in disguise right? It's still the weakest argument on the face of the earth due to poor writing. Slippery slope be slippery.
GUYS ITS ALL OVER THE INTERNET BRUCE WAYNE IS BATMAN AND CLARK KENT IS SUPERMAN!!!
STOP THE FREAKIN PRESSES
It's Fake News orchestrated by the evil Lex media
Then who is LEX LUTHOR ????
YOU FOOL DON'T YOU SEE? OBVIOUSLY LEX LUTHOR MUST BE --
Wait a minute...
I have no idea who this is.
The Random Lego Guy-Okay, I can believe that bruce wayne is batman, but there is no way clark kent is superman. I mean SUPERMAN DOESN'T WEAR GLASSES!
If Batman was more realistic he would have died of blood loss
My problem with the traumatized child (Batman) is that instead of investing in ending the corruption in his city he just plays on the short term solutions to stop criminals as they pop up, while letting them keep popping up. Though it's a mix of failed progression with the story and the character's competence. The fight will never end since Bats is basically written to fail in the end.
Batman does invest in ending the corruption in the city. He does it as Bruce Wayne.
Maybe Batman just loves the violence dishes upon people.
For whole city to be fixed they have to want to be fixed
Matthew Goodfriend The only hero who has the "I should have done something about my parents dying" Is spiderman as he could have actually done something. Bruce was 8 against a adult man with a gun batman wouldn't exist if he actually got therapy
Galen Malen He does not do enough!!!!!
Well actually the REAL reason batman doesnt kill is because then he would run out of villains and DC would have to create more witch takes alot of time and effort! Besides half of people who read or like batman only likes it for the villains myself included!
I like returning villains more but new ones embelish his stories too. Hush, Dr.Hurt, Nobody, etc
Batman is too much of a coward.
If someone wants to kill a criminal, he just stops them because of his moral code of no killing.
Gotham has had many chances to kill the Joker but they never do. As a result, he escapes to murder even more innocents.
There's not enough vigilantes to do what Batman cannot do.
It would be pointless for him to kill Joker or did you forget that the likes of Ra's al Ghul, Hugo Strange, Nekron and even Trigun exist. Anyone of them could easily bring him back to life....if they wanted to. Also someone else could become the joker. All they would need is a piece of joker's DNA and he could come back in another person. Tim Drake for example
Which is why they should have killed him as soon as possible.
Kill the criminal before he has any chance of an escape plan.
Delay the inevitable for a bit longer to allow better protection of the people the next time there is a street war going on.
Plus, what if they burn the bodies to ash so they can't be resurrected?
well to be honest the cops would probably arest batman if he ever killed like in that bane scene with gordon and batmans first confrontation
for #10, i say let the courts decide. and if they are too crazy to execute, make better prisons. billions are spent making prisons for metas, im sure a chunk of that could go to making sure the joker never leaves a 6 x 6 cell for the rest of his conscious days
Yes but super geniuses with lots of outside help in a comic universe should get the job done
bah. you arent thinking batman enough. think batcave meets fortress of solitude meets tower of fate inside a sun inside a black hole inside a zombie dimension. and conveniently forget the key/password to each level of security.
Personally I have my reason to respect Batman's "No Kill Rule". I think it's pretty obvious that Batman isn't exactly in the right state of mind to judge whether a person should live or not(regardless of who they are). If he were to kill he'd probably snap and became just as psychotic as his villains.
Good point, but there is still a problem with a Joker. I think we can apply "No killing rule" to any villain, but not for the Joker, at least. And as far as I know "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Alternative Injustice" solve this problem
That'sa lazy false equivalence.
Look at all the other heroes in movies who kill?
U gonna claim MCU Iron Man is a psycho killer?......
Waiting....
He’s a comic book character Remember it’s all fiction
Jacob Garcia thank you. Waste of my time. A critic tried to make logic out of a fictional story and character. Over thinking doesn't mean your intelligent or make up valid points. Terrible list
@@TC-uu8rh wow it just sounds like someone got a little butthurt by seeing his comic character's flawed point of view being simply rationalized a little bit more than it would ever be by the fanboys
No.....batman is real....I mean he has to be or else me dressing up like a bat and fighting pedophiles at night would just be crazy lol
@@yanmatheusleal54 shutt up
Sometimes fiction is more real than non-fiction.
Joker continuing his bullshit isn't Batman's fault. He captured him, now he's in the hands of the law. Joker is an open and shut case for the death penalty. There is no curing this guy and even if they did, who would ever forgive him? He should have gotten the chair ages ago. I put the blame on the system, not Batman.
Also, Batman is not an act. At least not when he's not actively trying to terrify someone. When he's in his cave, tinkering with his car or something, there is no acting going on when Alfred shows up to say something snarky.
Just send Joker to Jason and the answer to joker will be solved
TheBlues32 exactly, it's not batmans fault that Arkham has potato security
Technically you can apply the death penalty to the mentally ill and The Joker is clearly mentally ill.
FIYARtv They think he is mentally ill, but he's not, he breaks the fourth wall secret. He knows he's in a comic book which is why they think he is "crazy"
I blame bats. It's ridiculously obvious that their system DOESN'T work, so for him to be turning these people over to a revolving door day care is dumb, cause they are going to escape and leave a trail or stacks of dead bodies in their wake till they care caught again and the cycle repeats. At the very least he should build his own prison and he be their jailer.
Honestly you would think that after a while, the justice system would just get tired of people like the Joker and give him a death sentence anyway. I know that asylums aren't responsible for doing that sort of thing, but after a while you'd think they'd just figure out that Joker's insanity isn't going away and he'll probably just break out again.
He doesn't force the Robins into anything. He even tries to keep them away form dangerous operations at times.
Accept the one comic where he conscripted a kid, remember? Can't remember what it's called myself, but he was an asshole throughout the whole thing
Jacob Nystrom Frank Millier All-Star Batman
Ethan Hughes Exactly, Young Justice said it the best:
Batman: "Robin needed to bring in the men that murdered his parents to justice"
Wonder Woman: "So he could turn out like you?"
Batman: "So that he wouldn't"
yeah..don't reference that as a true Batman comic. Frank miller was in "man yells at cloud" territory at that point
I mean everything is a dangerous operation in his world.
All it takes is one slip up and they die. One bullet.
2 Problems with Batman's FATHER nobody wants to admit: 1) He put his own family at risk. If you're a wealthy, influential tycoon, and therefore know you might be a target for thieves who know you're loaded, why would you walk your family down a dangerous dark alley??? 2) Why is Mr. Bigshot even WALKING around, when he could have called a cab or limo?
you know... it's not really a morale issue of "should batman kill people?" you do realize batman is not a registered law enforement agent of ANY kind right? he's a VIGILANTE, one that's tolerated because he doesn't leave a series of dead bodies all over the city, you people do realize you go to jail for murdering other people, right? ...this is one of the most stupidest arguments i've ever seen, kill people, go to jail, series over
ColeVecsion you dont go to jail for self defense that is a weak excuse you kill the guy trying to kill you and by law that is self defense and you don't do jail time like at all
it's not self defense when you go out looking to murder people as a masked vigilante that inserts themselves into these situations with the intent to kill, if anything the criminals in most these stories could plea self defense from the masked psycho assaulting them who ISN'T a law enforcement representitive and self defense it's self isn't a guarenteed get out of jail pass, read a fucking book
at this point they should let batman make an exception for the joker
Why gotham doesn't institute a death sentence policy i'll never know(well obviously they can't kill the top tier rogues gallary, but you get my point :P), most of the criminals aren't insane, they're clearly planning out these murders and evil schemes, hell, post dark knight joker has become a super genius in the new52(via bad writting mostly) that' not insanity anymore, put him on fucking death row, batman isn't to blame, gotham's entire political system is
Ok and, good luck in court police force.
Lawyer: so your telling me that you let this guy break the law every day, but when he kills and breaks that law he goes to jail even though you let him slide every other day? Yea...theres probably some sort of law suit thaf comes with that one.
As a Superman fan, I can't speak for all of this, but I will for the one regarding Superman. It's not Supes' job to rid crime overnight. It's his job to do what is necessary for the survival of humanity, while showing humans their own inner strength, and be able to grow into their own heroes.
In the graphic novel, The Man of Steel, Supes visits Gotham to meet Batman, and realizes that this is Batmans territory. A lot of the world masterminds are in Gotham, and it takes a great detective with knowledge of the city to deal with those criminals. Superman is totally out of his element in Gotham, it's a job for Batman.
Superman once tried to remove crime and all.
Remember what happens in injustice.
Yes, batman got in his way, since Superman damaged Batman's business by killing joker.
Wow, why do some people choose to over analyze something instead of just enjoying it. What a waste.
By the way, most of the "problems" mentioned have been dealt with numerous times within the Batman universe....FOR Example:
Batman's no kill rule has been addressed over and over again (not counting some of the movies). He has always been against the idea of being the judge/jury/executioner even when he disagreed with the results of the legal system. It's a concept of Justice along with his fear of absolute power (addressed in the comics and shows, especially dealing with the Justice League).
Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batman is the actual persona. Bruce Wayne always sees himself as Batman (best presentation of this was in the Batman Beyond chapters).
Superman admits numerous times (especially related to the Justice League) that he cannot be everywhere at once and he is unable to handle every threat on his own.
jmacpi Because people with brains tend to use them. If I gave you hypothetical powers, then the logic associated with those hypothetical powers still apply. People tend to enjoy things less when they see blatant inconsistencies with the logic of a situation.
i mean the killing joke tackles the no killing rule where he actually breaks it at the end( or atleast it's heavily implied)
@@pforgottonsoul It was ambigious since both outcomes still result in Batman's madness in some way. Which is why I have a love-hate relationship with the Oracle series so much, because while I like Barbera, Oracle just retcons the chilling ambiguity of Killing Joke because there can't even be a 50/50 chance of Batman killing someone, lest the Batfans go in a frenzy screaming "bATmAn DoEsn'T KiLl"
Dude, an absolute No Killing Rule is illogical and Immoral for a person who claims to protect the innocent from unrepentant, repeat offending psychopaths in a corrupt city.
Theres a reason most Movie Supers no longer attached to this Trope.
Seems that the video maker didn't quite understand batman. I pity him
NIGHTMARE DEVASTATOR A critic tried to make logic out of a fictional story and character. Over thinking doesn't mean your intelligent or make up valid points. Terrible list
TC Internal logic is a thing within all stories. That's how they make sense, dummy. If I told you a fictional story of a man who was so strong he could lift mountains, and then told you he pulled a muscle lifting a coffee mug, that wouldn't make sense without further explanation.
The story being fictional is irrelevant since the logic used to create the story is still following our "real" logic. Logic can also be applied to hypotheticals. Stop being a moron.
Or maybe hes the only adult in the room
"Holy cow, Batman!"
"Get me the comment section repellent spray, Robin!"
The majority of these aren't problems- most are just character traits that make him interesting.
Depends who you ask... like taking in Orphans to train basically turn them into child soldiers and going against deadly psyco villains. Also the no killing rule is stupid.
"Makes him Interesting."
U trolls say those exact words in every discussion around Batman...
Which tells me ur just pretend comic fans, defending the brand
"10 Problems With Batman Nobody Wants To Admit"
"10 Problems With Batman Nobody Cares About"
There fixed that for you. Now shut up and make me a sammich
bill dodger everyone likes his problem, prefer sherlock holmes for that refernce
nah, u are just a typical immature Batbaby who hates when someone criticizes Batman
If you read a description on what Robin's purpose is reads as follows: "Batman's sidekick, Robin, is intended to wear bright colors in order to draw enemies away from Batman so he can get them from behind." So robin is basically bait or a distraction.
I didn't know that. That's cool I guess. I always thought they wore bright colors because that's the way Dick Grayson originally wanted his costume, and the other Robins just wore a similar costume because they're Robins.
In all this years watching so much videos about superheroes, specially batman, i have never saw someone get so innacurate with the facts, it is so much clear that the person who made this videos has never read a full comic story (more than 10 issues make a complete story, if he ever reads this comment).Just to clarify, the least innacurate, yet one of the most important facts that is mentioned in this video is the fact that Bruce Wayne can't keep in 20 year's body shape, when even the less comic experts, even the people that has only saw batman animated movies knows about the existence of lazarus pit's (rejuvenating source), an that they are present in the entire DC universe.
And that is only to mention ONE of the many innacurate facts published here, not mentioning the REAL reason why Bruce Wayne picked the bat as a symbol for crime fighting, or the fact that the only abbility that puts Batman in the trinity (the 3 most important member founders of the justice league) is his far advanced detective skills, ( in fact detective comics was the initial name from the batman comics), not his gadgets or physical power.
I really hope people that works in this information and entertainement industry that is RUclips, specally this channel starts taking his job serious, and stop publishing videos just for the need for popularity and sensationalism, taking away fans form one of the most recommended series of superheroes (recognized not only by cinema directors, also by writtes and professional Psychologists) instead of recomending it to fans, and collecting real and reliable information
Sergio Zamorano E paul zehr has said that in reality a batman wouldn't last very long.
I agree with everything you said, and even I had problems with batman, saying he can take down the justice league and all that. It's a stretch, but this video was done by like a 13 year old trying to sound smart or something. Not someone who knows anything about batman. Plus he didn't want a sidekick. And the law calls him for help. Superman can't fix crime because crime is always happening. Batcave is a safe haven and a hideout and a place to do his detective work. He is afraid of bats and he wants his enemies to be afraid like him. So he embraces that fear and becomes fearless. The real Bruce Wayne is the one before he puts on his batman mask and after he gets home and puts off the Wayne mask. He does what HE wants. It's his company, he can hide a paper trail or say it's stolen. Lazarus pit, he's been in it before. He doesn't want to stop being batman, because Gotham needs a batman. I can't recall all of the guys points but they were all pretty shitty
In reality, Batman wouldn't constantly be confronted with whether or not to kill Joker because a cop, SWAT team, or FBI agent would most likely kill Joker themselves since they are allowed to. If not out on the streets, then perhaps later once Batman has caught him and delivered him into police custody. Of course, Joker's death would be officially designated as an "accident" or a suicide, but after Joker's 2nd or 3rd prison break resulting in another bloody rampage, eventually the authorities will decide enough is enough, and kill the maniac for Batman since Batman himself legally can not use lethal force as a non-deputized vigalante and still continue his war on crime. Once Joker has demonstrated to everyone he can continually escape custody and murder at will, sooner or later an undercover CIA or FBI agent will be sent to Arkham Asylum under the guise of a specialist psychiatrist sent in to treat Joker, but will secretly have orders to murder him. That's just the reality of this particular situation.
1. It is explained that if he let himself cross that line then HE would keep killing. He knows himself
2. What is the problem with the gadgets??
3. He obviously has the cave as a mirror image of his Bruce Wayne identity. Bruce has the manner, Batman has his manner
4. Dick Grayson wanted revenge on the people who killed his parents, Jason needed an outlet for his rage, Tim Drake chose to be Robin, Damien was gonna fight no matter what so Batman has to show him the right way.
5. He wants his enemies to share his fear (Batman Begins)
6. Until Superman goes evil and then people wish there was someone else.
7. Batman is who is his, and Bruce is the mask
8. He is smart enough to be able to hide his tracks.
9. He is not real haha
10. No one wants it to end.
Tim B i know right what's wrong with using gadgets if you're a human
Nezzy Ness It makes Batman more of a Mary Sue. Dude literally has the most random shit in situations he really shouldn't.
Nate River that sounds like someone i've heard before it starts with the letter S
Nezzy Ness Are you referring to the literal alien that has been established to be godly? Surely, you're not comparing a peak human to a certain someone I've described to somehow make Batman LESS of a Mary Sue...
+Nate River hes a billionaire with a tech company. hes mr. "i have a contingency plan for that contingency plan" what did you expect?
actually batman's true self is batman... bruce wayne is his only cover up
its true Bruce Wayne died with his parents that night and therefore batman was born
Yahli Haham ...no. he is a man pretending.
Yahli Haham Nightwing has said that both are his masks.
Christian Bale said in an interview that when he played Batman he was really playing three characters: the real Bruce, the pompous billionaire playboy Bruce, and Batman. The pompous rich boy celebrity is PART of his secret identity!! you'd never guess he was Batman because he seems selfish and ignorant. The Nolan trilogy doesn't get enough credit for this!
It's because he is BATMAN!!!!!!
Grow up
The Killer Joke you obviously watched “Everything Wrong With Batman: Arkham City”
He's Batmannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
The Assassin of the Caribbean To hell with that annoying overrated excuse.
Well I know someone who's disguise is much worse.. Supes literally just takes off his glasses
hello sweetie it’s amazing how nobody can tell! If he got contact lenses, he would just be invisible to everyone.
He also moves one strand of hair. Essential!
Because Superman's powers all come from being psychic. His disguise works because he wants it to.
The real question is how did bruce wayne and alfred build up and fill the batcave without help
greenbeancom38 By blinding and taking the tounges from the architects, but he doesn't kill them so LOOPHOLE!
A Flute Busting Prussian lol that wouldn't stop them from writing down what they know
greenbeancom38 hmm true, guess he took their hands too :p
A Flute Busting Prussian 🤔 architects make decent enough money to afford fake hands if needed
greenbeancom38 lobotomy then 😁
People figure out Batman is Bruce Wayne through simply tracking his source of equipment has been done quite a few times already, in TV, movies and comics. That is really not valid complaint.
Only by the bad guys though, he's saying the regular civilians would figure it out.
I seem to remember a college humor skit where everyone knew batman man was Bruce Wayne, but went along and pandered to his delusions in order to keep him from hurting himself, to the point where they actually had people taking turns pretending to be villains so he had some purpose to his life.
Now that I think about it there was also a silver age comic that did the same fucking thing. The silver age got weird.
scwhk1 They should be able to tell by his voice and looks/physique alone. This is a problem with every superhero.
"I hate everything you just said."
Aleksandra Piotrowska agreed
serves you right
If he doesn't want to kill the Joker, he should talk to state authorities to get permission to send the crazy scum to the Phantom Zone. Superman has a projector. As for the Bat Cave, no one man could set up such a complicated, sophisticated, high-tech underground installation. However, the world needs more superheroes than Superman. He is not omnipotent. Even he can't be everywhere all the time.
Batfanboys would believe Batman could beat Godzilla, Silver Surfer, and Darkseid all in the same day if "he had enough prep time"
Minion Jericho im a batman fan and i agree that batman fans always say that
Eddy The Martian I like Batman too but this whole mentality of "Nobody can beat Batman" is just childish
Minion Jericho and he could
The only thing Batman can beat is a clown.
Would u stop Batman is the best just stop
God this list was awful
SiNaC Spears agreed. What a waste of time. I appreciate ppl opinions and views but this is what you get when you try to make logic out a fictional story and character. I need not see anything else from this channel pointless
Batman can handle 2 identities, little sleep, fighting for 78 years, and roll with the super powered super heros because he is Batman. Nuf said.
Ed Hedderman And that's why he sucks.... Comics want to be realistic to a point where this is just impossible and would in reality kill a normal person. But because people go lol he's batman is suddenly makes it better?
Ed Hedderman some versions have stated that he did go out as Batman everynight. I prefer those version where he can be normal.
Zxzero36 why you mad cause he has the strength to do all that, that's a good thing he trained for many years to do those things .And also he's Batman
I'm not mad its just Batman's grown to be a boring character because hes literally the DM's favorite, He always gets the plot armor, he managed to beat the specter, hes the inspiration of every single hero in the DC universe.
Hes grown to be a meme at this point.
Batman's smart strong great martial artist and he uses his ingenuity to get out of stick situations he doesn't really have plot armor he was just taught by the best and he trained himself to get to peak physical condition whereas other people like superman just get powers out of their ass like it's nothin, like come on that's ridicuolous
I lost my dad in front of me..
He had cancer..
I lost him when i was 11 years old..
Am 21 now and i still wish he was in the family all those years..
But i grew up..
I stopped crying over it..
I knew the world works in mysterious ways..
Takes away good people..
Batman is always looking like his always breaking down..
Come on..
U had Alfred with u through out your life just like i had my mom..
Stop being a kid and thank Alfred for being with u ..
I still find it weird that Alfred is just still a Butler ..
Why isn't he helping in his company..
Alfred is a dad to bruce
You're forgetting: HE'S BATMAN
Ugh, you clearly do not understand this character. So let me break down everything you think "wrong" with Batman. (P.S. This is going to be long)
10. (The No Killing Rule) Batman understands that if he kills all these maniacs they could never harm anyone ever again. But that isn't the point. If Batman could just kill these criminals what's to stop him from taking the next step. First kill the psychopaths, then kill anyone who commits a crime, then unite the world into a dictatorship led by him, then make anything that could harm anyone in some way like cars or cigarettes illegal as well, then take away our free will because we're to dangerous and unpredictable to keep that, then do the same to every planet going on a universal conquest for the greater good. This is exactly what happened in the injustice storyline and it's exactly what would happen if Batman made the choice to kill the Joker or any other one of these psychopaths.
9. (The Gadgets) Oh, so you think anyone could be Batman if they had the money to pay for the gadgets. Well there are other superhero billionaires in the D.C. Universe if you didn't know. There is Ray Palmer the Atom, there is Ted Kord the first Blue Beatle, and there is Oliver Queen the Green Arrow. Ray Palmer although he has the money and the brains decides to stay indoors most of the time and work on his tech. He's to scared to go out into the real world and face these psychopaths Batman faces every single day. Ted Kord exact same thing. Oliver Queen a bit different. He does face the psychopaths but if you think even for a second that Oliver Queen is anywhere near on the scale to Batman you'd be mistaken. Batman defeated Superman, Darkseid, and literally became a God with infinite knowledge. So it takes a bit more then fancy gadgets to be Batman.
8. (The Bat Cave) Where else is he supposed to keep his stuff and operate. He can't do it in some random place in the city. He needs to always be close to Wayne Manor to help secure his secret identity. The Bat Cave is directly underneath Wayne Manor and connects to the Gotham Underground Railroad giving Batman access to the entire city. Seems like the perfect place for me. If anything you should have criticized that it's to convenient for such a perfect hideout to be so close to Batman.
7. ( The Wards Are Weird)
Dick Grayson: The first Robin was adopted by Batman because Batman saw himself in the boy. Batman saw how this kid was broken and hurt because of his parents death. Batman adopted the boy not to make him into the new Batman but to make it so that he would never become Batman. He helped Dick Grayson defeat his demons and enjoy life instead of becoming a demon and avenging life.
Jason Todd: Similar to Dick Grayson, Jason was a kid on the streets with no father who would have become a criminal to survive. But Batman didn't want this to happen so he took the boy in and showed him to do good.
Tim Drake: This Robin actually discovered Batman's secret identity by using his detective skills. Batman didn't have much of choice to not let the kid become the new Robin.
Damien Wayne: Batman was roofied and raped to having a child who then ten years later was being hunted by the assassin Deathstroke and needed Batman's help. Batman didn't force anyone to do anything.
6. (He's The Superstitious Cowardly One) Batman has never stated that he isn't superstitious. He's worked with magic users before such a Zatanna and Constantine. How would this make him a coward? He uses an animal that used to frighten him to frighten others, seems like bravery to me.
5. (Batman In The World Of Superman) You do realize that the Joker has mind controlled Superman on multiple occasions. The Joker would kill superman using some form of kryptonite and would send Superman's head to Batman as a joke. Just because Superman is powerful doesn't make him unbeatable.
4. (The Psychology Of Bruce Wayne) Yeah everyone knows this. Being Batman takes a toll on Bruce hence way he has Robins and eventually Batman Beyond to carry on the legacy. Batman knows he can't do this alone and he knows that being Batman is killing him but he does it anyway because he's dedicated his life to this and he can't just stop because it's getting hard.
3. (That Secret Identity) Bruce Wayne pretends to be a playboy who travels the world and goes nuts with all his money, no one cares about what he's doing. What to you mean clearly Wayne Tech. Batman has Lucious Fox making his gadgets off the books. There are so many places where you could get that kind of tech.
2. (He Couldn't Keep It Up For Long) Similar to four, Batman knows this hence why he has successors.
1. (It Never Ends) What to you expect, as long as Batman is popular DC is going to want make as much money as possible why on earth would they ever stop. This last one was just annoying nitpicking on your part.
Some actual points you should of made would be the disappearing from people when they look away or how he's seen killing aliens multiple times. But no you came up with this shit list. I bet you've never actually read a Batman comic but just did a bunch of research. Before you talk bad about something how about understand it first.
MalikProductions Max He's legally insane which means he has to be sent to Arkham Asylum for rehabilitation.
On number 1. I thought the fact that it never ends was the entire point of Batman.
Pringlesman Could you elaborate on that, I don't quite understand what you are trying to convey.
Batman's mission is to stop crime in Gotham. It's an impossible mission. Bruce knows this but tries anyways. Trying to do something even though it's impossible is the entire point of Batman.
Pringlesman Precisely, lol this video took one of the key concepts of Batman that everyone likes about him and said it was stupid.
I think this is a great list. My first superhero I loved was Batman, and I'm getting back into him, but I admit, these flaws do have some merit. Great list!
Batman is a flawed sociopath and a psychopathic character. This is the best video ever about batman 🦇
brandon parr BRUCE WAYNE/BATMAN Is An ATHEIST. Now Who Cares!!
Batman's no kill rule is not a good idea. Which is why it's great. It's both a character flaw and a heroic trait. Plus, it makes the story more interesting in the context of comics. It's an ongoing story. If Batman killed the Joker, no more Joker and the world of Batman is less interesting now.
MAKE. A. NEW. VILLAIN!!!
the main problem with batman: he doesnt exist.
All dreams shape reality. You just got to make it happen, and you need money. And a butler. And training from ninjas or whatever origin he had.
Dominic L becoming Batman was my plan as a kid. Either that or Tony Stark.
Not sure if I can set that up. I'll try
He does exist. His name is Christian Bale
which is a good thing
how about the fact that he is a grown man running around in what is essentially a Halloween costume beating up thugs on the street and wasting billions of dollars on gadgets instead of using said billions to open rehab centers and outfit the cops with better tech and so on and so on... instead of trying to play vigilante hero, he should be investing his money to improve the city as a whole legally. if he wasn't being selfish, Gotham could likely be much safer than hes making it now.
as for the killing aspect... why doesnt the law put the villains to death legally? i mean, yeah the first few times joker could get away with being labeled as crazy, but there should be a point where the law looks at the situation and says "he clearly is a threat to the city and won't stop in spite of our best efforts.. its time to sentence him to death" (and the same can be said with most any other super villain... (except for a few like lex luthor who can (a) pay off the authorities and (b) can convince people hes less guilty of things than he really is)
darcraven01 He could do all that. I don’t think the comic books about that guy would sell all that well though. People are keen on buying Batman comics, the Philantropist is simply not entertaining enough.
He does other philanthropic things with his money... do you know nothing? Equipping the police force with better tech is an amazing idea really, then the corrupt police can have an ever more negative impact nice (sarcasm).
Your first sentence had me on the floor laughing. I'm giving you a like, good sir.
The fact Bats is trying to stop crime in a corrupt city makes him crazier than the criminals he catches. Without ending the corruption he'll be stuck in a vicious cycle forever but the writers won't let him be *that* smart.
Matthew Goodfriend Don’t forget, absolutely no-one wants the Batman to actually win his war on crime. The comic book would end if he did that, there would be no more yarns for the writers to spin and for the readers to enjoy.
In reality, a skintight costume and cowl will slow down and stiffen your movements, deafen your hearing, and narrow your vision. if in reality you happen to see a man wearing normal street clothes in a fight with a man in a Batman costume, you should place your bets on the man in the normal street clothes. The man in the Batman costume has nothing but disadvantages.
batman's goal is order in goatham. the no killing rule represents the set of rules he fights for. if you take away the no killing rule, you take away the moral code which defines batman's greater purpose.
the difference between batman and other superheroes is that other super heroes are fighting for good, and therefore many of the stories they face are about defining what is good and what is bad. Batman has already defined good as order and defined bad as chaos, so his resolve to his moral code is what defines him as good. When batman is choosing to not kill, he's not "being good and his enemies are being bad." he's following a moral code and his enemies aren't.
10. Agreed. While killing shouldn't be used as a first resource for super heroes, there is no reasonable explanation as to why Batman lets the Joker stay alive at this point, other than villain plot armor.
9. Completely wrong. Batman uses his intelligence and deductive ability in almost every single storyline he is in. It can come down to tracking some criminal or understanding their intentions. Most of the time he is doing that is when you see him seating in his chair in front of the bat-computer.
8. Wrong again. The cave is a secure hideout under wayne mansion that only he and Alfred (initially) know that exists. It is practical because it is under his mansion and has many secure underground passageways from where he can access Gotham City. It is also not his only hideout (he even has one on the dark side of the Moon).
7. Complete misrepresentation of Bruce's interaction with the Robin characters:
- Dick Grayson (first Robin): parents were killed by a gangster, Dick tried to take matters into his own hands, things go wrong and Batman saves him. Recognizing the same desire for vengeance that he had after his parents were killed, Batman trains Grayson to help them safely catch the gangster.
- Jason Todd (second Robin): orphan and petty thief, Batman captures him and takes him to his mansion. At this point, Grayson was acting on his own, and Batman gave the Robin costume to Jason to help him be something greater than he was, realizing the kid had plenty of potential. He was later killed by the Joker and brough back to life with by the Lazarus Pit.
- Tim Drake (third Robin): actually hunts down Batman, trying to discover his secret identity and work for him. Once he manages to find him out, Batman refuses to take him in due to his trauma from the death of Jason. However, he is targeted by criminals in an attempt to 'blackmail' Batman. Batman saves him and decides to accept him as a partner.
- Damian Wayne (fourth Robins, his son): a trained assassin from birth, taught by the same League of Shadows that trained Batman. He is the most skilled Robin and was dropped in Batman's hands by his mother, Thalia. Batman did the best he could to contain and train Damian to become someone great, since there was no way Damian would accept not figthing crime.
6. Ridiculous. Completely missing the point here. Dressing as a Batman is important to create the SYMBOL of Batman. Before becoming Batman, Bruce tries to fight crime on a regular outfit, and things go awry. He realized that, even with all his training, he needs to be something greater than what he was to instill fear in criminals. He needed to be more than a man. That's why he became Batman.
5. Wrong. Even if Superman was the only hero in the DC Universe, he admitted multiple times that he can't save everyone, and that he has to pick and choose his battles. There is plenty of space for other heroes to take care of other problems. If there is an earthquake in Japan, Superman can't help people there and also take care of the crime in Gotham.
4. Nope. Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batmn is the identity. Of course Bruce doesn't express all aspects of himself when acting as Batman against criminals, but he has plenty of opportunities to do so with Alfred, his sidekicks, the Justice League, etc. Besides, you mentioned in the video his insane mental training and now is just choosing to ignore it?
3. Incorrect. A lot of people know that Batman is Bruce Wayne, including heroes and villains (even the Joker knows that Batman is Bruce). The rest of people just assume that Bruce Wayne finances someone that is Batman, which is a perfectly reasonable assumption. More reasonable than the recluse playboy millionaire being the actual Bat.
2. Agreed, but irrelevant. Time in comics passes in a somewhat different way, and writers create multiple explanations to 'heal' broken heroes. Recently Batman fell in a Lazarus Pit that put his body back into top physical condition, meaning the 10 year mark mentioned is irrelevant, since it is as if he is back to year zero.
1. Agreed. That is a problem with all types of serialized storylines, and even Sherlock Holmes suffered that (Conand Doyle killed Holmes only to have to bring him back due to readers demands). However, there is a solution: the story is about Batman, not Bruce Wayne. If the writers let other people pick up the mantle (as they have many times, but never in a definitive way), the stories could continue forever, but with higher stakes and possibility of closure.
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Batman is only this cool to his fanbase. To everyone else, he's a ridiculous troupe 99% of the time.
Even for a comic character.
insanely misunderstood the batman
Bats aren't rodents. Just for the sheer joy of nitpicking.
Superman can't be everywhere at once.
How is it possible that 4 people are first
Lee Quann They come in at the same time
Three of them are time-travelers, each going back in time to be "first."
Lots of retcons.
Multiverse.... duh!
Bruce is actually well aware of the fragile state of his sanity. He has explained that reason why he refuses to kill is because he’s afraid that, if he started killing, he mightn’t know when to stop, or where to draw the line of where killing would and wouldn’t be warranted.
Oh come on he's batman... He would easily be able to control himself.. Because he's batman
Zxzero36 Every side-story wherein Batman started killing suggests that he definitely would not be able to control himself (or at least not very well).
Considering that the various writers have managed how a regular human can be batman...including sleep,eating, healing various injuries etc...It would be easy to make a story where batman kills and manages to justify it. Guy managed to beat the embodiment of Gods Wrath (The specter)
True, it probably wouldn't be too hard to make a story wherein Batman kills without losing his mind. In fact, it'd probably be too easy.
Plus, the backlash for having Batman break his famous one rule would be huge, and they'd have to have to retcon it.
That doesnt explain why he goes out of his way to stop villains from dying their deserved deaths, whether by self deletion, accident, or some other character trying to end them. That in and of itself is morbid
That final point could apply to any number of fictional characters: Luke Skywalker, James T. Kirk, Wolverine... I will say that Nolan's passing of the baton was satisfying.
Tbh, i thought that Bruce Wayne just ending his time as Batman in Nolan's trilogy was one of the worst things about it and a sign of Nolan not getting the character at all.
I think at this point the only way to end batman would be like in the punnisher max where he gets killed off for good, and his death motivates everyone to stand up for themselves, and take back back their neighborhoods through shear numbers.
That's one of the reasons i disliked the ending to Arkham Knight so much. The whole final act of the game was leading up to batman's eventual death, while we had the entire bat family constantly reminding him he wasn't a lot anymore, and the full support of the general public plus jason todd trying way to hard to prove himself as a suprior bat knock off. It all looked like it was building up to batman giving the ultimate sacrifice, and everyone else having gron enough that they no longer needed him. Instead we got the most obviusly staged death ever, fallowed by batman running around 24/7 doing his best impersonation of a scooby doo vilian.
walkingdeadman19 the trilogy was supposed to create a "realistic" batman. Notice of how there is no literal lazarus pit or a giant beastly man or a man born as a crocodile that eats people?
Refrigerator !!! Noticed how i didn't say a single thing about all that and instead complained solely about Nolan not getting the core of Batman's personality right ? Apparently not.
I disagree. I mean, yeah...it sucks for Batman to actually hang up his cape and cowl, but that was ultimately what Nolan wanted to happen in his films. Originally, Nolan was satisfied with ending his films with the second installment and was hesitant to even make the third. I didn't necessarily care for how he ended it with "Robin" discovering the cave, but I appreciate how it signifies that the continuation of Batman's legacy is everlasting. It's been that way in the comics (more than once) and he brought it to the big screen in a good way, in my opinion.
“When you have someone who’s basically invincible you’ve essentially cured all crime”
Yeah show an Injustice panel where we all know that nothing bad happened
All I see is a list of nitpicks taken out of context. I mean seriously, how many time have you referenced Damian having been killed by now? You do know he returns to life, right? That he dies because of his own hubris, right? That his death led to him getting even more development making him into an even better Robin, you did know that, right? You sure this video isn't just an extension for your hate boner for Gotham? Otherwise, it's a good list but still, as I said it's taken out of context.
I think that part of the reason his truth is that he's Batman is that being Batman is a religious experience. The Bat is a part of his worship. He has come to reverence that which he fears,namely the Bat within himself. Acting is involved but great actors integrate the characters into themselves. Bruce Wayne however is a portrayal. To assume that he doesn't feel any of what Bruce would or should feel suggests that he is not a Consummate actor. In order to be a convincing actor you have to do more than make faces. When he is either he is absorbed into the psyche of that character, with all of his emotions. I wonder what would have happened if Wonder Woman asked him with the lasso while he was dressed as Bruce Wayne if he would have said I'm Bruce Wayne as some powerful self hypnotic suggestion to protect the Batman. Some actors use hypnosis at different levels. Some people can enter. Into such a deep state other aspects are indiscernable. I suggest to you that under other circumstances in as different costume he might under the lasso's influence respond " I am justice", or "I am judgement", or" I am the Avenger". He's not superstitious or cowardly. Facing your fears nd even embracing them is not cowardly. I don't think he could have become such a great character and symbol of the reality of hope in many of us if he had not transcended with catharsis or healing. The ongoing almost psychic medium relationship he has with his deceased parents is his ongoing method of closure.
This video is such a fail. I can't even..
Prash Aveng Lim Ikr. A critic tried to make logic out of a fictional story and character. Over thinking doesn't mean your intelligent or make up valid points. Terrible list
TC Please explain how the list is so terrible.
@Heru Jr. of Kemet overthinking a FICTIONAL CHARACTER . Was that not clear before?
@Heru Jr. of Kemet Tuh what make it so complex. Im going to rematch this lame video again
yaa, that 'no killing' rule made sense to me before i thought about brain damage that comes with hanging people upside down and throwing them off builgings,
but like, seriously, you didn't even said what was wrong with the batcave it's just 'it's stupid, i don't like it'??? what is the problem???
6:58 THATS A GOD DAMN GERBIL
can someone please tell me where the picture at 1:04 is from(the comics i mean)?
Well were do bats rest, that right in a cave
Also he's a mary sue.
Do 10 TImes Batman Was A Horrible Dad!
GreatgoatonFire all the time
GreatgoatonFire He's always a bad dad
"Your parents are dead. Put on the gay ass costume and keep those punks with machine guns distracted. What? No. Your costume won't have pants until the 1990s."
lol!
HE'S BATDAD!
Bruce going for 20 years is fine, its actually established that he operated as Batman for just under 20 years. In "Year One" he starts as Batman at the age of 25 and according to "The Dark Knight Returns" he retires age 45, takes 10 years off before returning age 55. But he could go longer due to the Lazarus Pit. In pre-New 52 (possibly in rebirth as it has brought back some continuity from before the New 52) he has been fully submerged in the pit 3 time and has stood in it several times.
I could answer all of these so called problems easily but I don't think you would understand it.
Sesshomaru lol you savage. This list is pointless and put together by a critic who tried to make logic out of a fictional story and character.
people batman has not met
John Connor
Otto octavious
Harry Potter
Nick fury
Chris rock
Eddy Brock
Nick fury Jr.
Adam Sandler
read the first letters of each person
*_*BA, DA-DA DAAAAA! BA, DA-DA DAAAAA!*_*
im reporting you.
+That1Assassin: Don't do that; *his time is now.*
I think the question of why superman doesn't just stop all crime and force peace is answered by the injustice series.
Also: Justice League Episodes "A Better World"...
Injustice was written by Batman fanboys, so the logic there is questionable - especially since Superman was more ruthless in the past comics and didn't go insane.
Batman doesn't kill people because he's bigger than that. Killing is a quick end and batman never does anything the easy way, he doesn't need to because he can handle it. He can figure it out, he can overcome anything. That's who he is.
KyodaiKen1979 He made a sacred vow to his mother and father, that he would spend the rest of his life warring against criminals. That vow is what kept his sanity, it's all that takes away the crippling sorrow and darkness inside him. If he kills, what makes him different from the criminals he's warring against. If you understand who batman is you understand why he'll never commit the ultimate sin. It's his heart and will and incorruptability that makes him the avatar of justice, more so than any other superhero.
10. the no-killing rule can be seen as either a strength or a weakness. in various stories he has seriously incapacitated enemies without killing them.
09. various stories have him being seriously smart on his own & minimally using his gadgets to solve crimes. His most useful gadgets are possibly his grapnel gun and his smoke bombs, both for evading dangerous situations.
08. the cave, tho it's existence is arguably silly, is definitely useful - as a place to regroup, study, analyze etc. in safety with plenty of resources not able to be stored on his belt. the most unrealistic thing about it is it's existence in the first place, not it's use.
07. Batman may have actually recruited wards before, but in some stories they really wanted to join him after discovering who he really was. the most ridiculous part of his sidekicks are their silly costumes...but silly is a matter of individual taste.
06. well-noted. he may have been hasty at first in choosing his symbol, but it paid off. if that was a stupid decision on his part, he proves his rationality & brains in the rest of his life as Batman.
05. Superman is one man, he can't handle the entire world's problems, let alone two cities (Gotham & Metropolis) or even his own! Super-villains are supposed to be mighty matches. Don't forget that in the world of Super Heroes, you also have Super Villains. And some might even argue Superman has higher moral standards than Batman (he's not the "dark knight" after all).
04. Batman himself has said before that Batman is his true self, and that Bruce is the cover.
03. Legitimate. It's truly impressive how he pulls off keeping his identity a secret.
02. That's part of his character. He's trained himself to go off an insanely short amount of sleep & be fine for everything else he does. As unrealistic as it seems, it's due to his discipline & training. If you can forgive other odd things about him, you can forgive this.
01. This can easily be blamed on the comic industry - end Batman, end cashflow. Even when he dies, they create new storylines. You can't expect him to ever be permanently over. He's an awesome character for storytellers to play with. And in a few storylines, yes, he has died or had a "conclusion" to his story. Is Batman/Bruce insane for what he's doing? He can't be completely insane as he's the "World's Greatest Detective"...so is his ideal/motive insane? I guess that depends on your view of kindness - at first he was trying to provide for others what he himself did not have...then suddenly a ton of super villains come out of nowhere and now we've got more interesting stories than a simple Batman taking down mobsters all the time.
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It's pronounced Raysh, not Raz...
More like "Räysch" lol
Nah it's "raz-al-gul"
BECAUSE I'M BATMAN!!!!
BATMAN!!!!
Batman is actually very reluctant in taking Robins
Batman prides himself in being the master of stealth, yet he wears a bright ass yellow belt that you can see a mile away. In reality this belt would be a dark color and he also would not be wearing that dumb ass cape in a fight either. (*note* I said "not wearing in a fight" (just in case some nerd wants to correct me about how he needs it to glide off of buildings)
In reality, any superhero is EXTREMELY is interested in having his very existence as secret. Like, urban legend. Cuz in reality, for police he always will be just another crimist
the yellow bat is a target so the bad guys can draw their to him and not hit anyone else
Ice Cold oh ok, so he should wear the cape while gliding n stuff, but if he was about to fight, he would just put it off, right? And don't call other people nerds, you're not any better you dumb af
Ice Cold That cape’s made out of kevlar. It also makes him look more intimidating, giving him a psychological advantage against weaker criminals. He’s tricked most of the criminals in Gotham into believing that he has supernatural powers and the cape reinforces that.
fair enough
Don't you dare rag on my Batsy!.... Except for the Robin thing..... Sorta got a point there..... =\
Straker [Bx0] There are also certain rumors about Batman and Robin he thankfully didn’t go into....
No... He's let them just go/stay at home or whatever. He never forces them to do shit..
Doesn't Robin make Batman take him on in some cases?
Real number one: He's still the same characters since 40-50 years... Even Superman (for example) changed a lot and have been develloped A LOT since the last few years. The Superman in the comics, Cartoon, games and Movies of the 2010 years is NOTHING like the Superman he was before. Unlike Batman who never really change after all those years... Even when Batman have "something" that make him different from the usual Batman, it's still the same character in therm of personnality and writings. It's still Bruce Wayne (or someone of the Wayne family or even just someone the "Wayne" name) that live a traumatic situation (like the murder of his parents/ son or anything) and then decided to be Batman the Dark Knight etc... etc... etc...
The ONLY Batman who is actually a real progress for the character is the one in "Justice league Gods and Monsters".
It's not even a Wayne anymore, it's Kirk Langstrom. It's not a billionaire dressed as a bat. it's a scientist with "Vampire-like" powers.
Hell Even Superman and Wonder Woman are at 180° from their original characters. Superman is actually Zod's son and is a brutal and ruthless fighter that will not hesitate to kill a baby just to save millions of people.
if it aint broke don't fix it
Yeah but he's getting boring. Like I said it's the same character so he's not interesting anymore and it's also fucking predictable. Fight against Superman ? Tech armor or a kryptonite ass pull. Fight against Joker ? He may seem like losing against Joker strategy but he's one is better because it's meant to look like this.
And they're also the biggest problem with him. I like to call it the "batgod" problem. Not in the "new gods" story where he is actually one but I mean in general. I have some examples and you will see what I mean with it:
-In the opening scene of Justice League vs Teen Titans (go watch it if you don't know what I'm talking about, I don't know if you say it), Batman is starting to reprimand Robin for his extremly risky action he attempted to do, for now it's fine I have nothing to say about it. Damian made an enormous bullshit that could have cost many lives so his father have "a little talk" with him, no problem.
Until Flash, Superman and also Cyborg start being like "yoy chill man" and he just look at them one by one and they're scared. Just fucking why ?!?! He won't attack them until they become a treat and everytime he have to fight one of them, he always use the fact that they will try to reason him by going easy on him because they perfectly know they could kill him instantly if they really wanted to (Flash and Superman are the most obvious because of their respective speeds, they could kill Batman before he even conceive the idea that he may be attacked eventually, but Cyborg could just whipe him out of existence with is enormous laserbeam and also speed but anyway). Especially for Superman, kryptonite wasn't discovered at this point of the story so he litteraly had nothing to fear of Batman, hell in this universe (more precisely in Justice League "War") we did saw what happened if Batman is trying to fight Superman without cheating Kryptonite, he's getting his ass kick very badly even if Supes is going in with like less than 1% of his max power. but anyway this example was quite long so next one:
-In the movie Justice League Dark, Batman is scaring ghost... Fucking why again they're already dead, he can't do shit to them and for them he's just a powerless human without any magical ability that could "hurt" or disturb them and he just look a them with an evil look ad they're gone... Why ? Because it's Batman shut up...
-In the movie Batman, Superman apocalypse (I think it's this one but the example remain the same anyway) Batman was able to keep up with Darkseid, just because he was wearing on if his general's armor. Why ? Because it's Batman shut up... We could argue on the fact that the armor could have been efficient enough or something BUT ! You can't argue about the next one because:
-In the original Justice League animated show, Batman was able to tank a few hit from Darkseid, without any armor on or something. And don't tell me it's because Darkseid was going easy on him or somthing, he's not as nice as Superman, we're talking about Darkseid remember ? If he's trying to hit someone, he will always have the intention of hurting him, and if he want to hurt Batman who have nothing to tank a hit from him, Batman dies or he is at the very very least paralysed for life with all his bones broken for life or something... End of the story. But he still survived easily without breaking a sweat. Why ? Because it's Batman shut up... (are you starting to get my point or what ?)
If you want more example I can give you more even more stupid than those ones.
What Superman's getting boring he win every time that's it, very predictable i mean he's superman he's untouchable and it gives him a unfair advantage
Superman win everytime ? Excuse me ?
Superman vs Sinestro in Superman TAS: Lose.
Superman vs Parasite (first encounter): Lose.
Superman vs Lex Luthor who have Kryptonite all the time: Lose almost everytime.
Superman vs Doomsday: Sacrifice himself so technically he didn't lose but he's not the winner either...
Superman vs Batman in BVS: Lose and survive because batman realise that Supes is at the same situation he was himself when his parents got killed.
And btw:
When Superman win: "He's too op, it's boring he's untouchable !"
When he lose: "HAHAHAHA He's so weak !"
See what I mean ?
Bruh what i mean is that Superman mostly wins his battles alot of the time you don't have tell me that he's lost before because he normally wins once he literally went back in time he also lifted 20 quintillion tons
“If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world remain the same.” -Batman. I agree with this because you shouldn’t kill every damn criminal or scumbag you find, but there are a select few (like the joker) who do need to die considering they will always escape and take more lives.
I agree with the gadgets thing to an extent because he is also extremely gifted at the use of stealth and has also perfected every fighting style known to man. Not to mention he uses fear to his advantage. What I’m saying is that even if you took away all his toys, he’d still kick your ass.
The batcave is crucial because not only does it act as a storage facility, it is also used for training and has an active laboratory which can come in handy if Batman needs information quick, Alfred can just send the results through the batcomputer. Granted it doesn’t need to be a cave but it helps for thematic impact.
He doesn’t force the Robin’s to fight crime. They always want to avenge their family or loved one’s death and Batman just helps them in that pursuit. Eventually the Robin realizes that nobody should have to endure such pain so they are glad to take up the mantle. They can leave at any point it’s not like he’s forcing them to stay there, it’s happened before.
Yes he’s kind of superstitious but it’s more about projecting his own fear of the bat onto the criminals of Gotham. You can’t lie, even if he is superstitious he’s still badass.
Superman may be fast but he’s not nearly fast enough to stop every crime in the world every day. A crime is happening literally anywhere at any given moment always, there is almost never a moment when a crime is not happening. And Superman doesn’t really frequent Gotham that much let alone anywhere other than Metropolis (for the most part) so Bruce decided to do something.
I agree with the psychology part because that event changed him, it morphed him into someone else. Is that a bad thing? Not at all, he’s still a remarkable human being as Bruce Wayne and also as Batman. I mean this guy has pledged his life to help others. Whether he does it as Bruce Wayne with million dollar donations and the like or as Batman by beating up criminals in the streets, really makes no difference to me. They guys got a heart of gold even though he doesn’t show it.
Several people have figured out his identity. Superman just used his X-Ray vision to look through the cowl, Bane was able to connect the dots on multiple occasions (though he forgot one time because of too much TN-1 venom), and Catwoman also knows though there are multiple versions of how. Some she found out herself, others Bruce just straight up told her. Ra’z knew as well and so did the Joker (some versions anyway), hell even Amanda Waller figured it out. Less people know Superman’s identity and all he does cosmetically is change his hair and wear glasses.
20 years is a long ass time of fighting criminals and it’s not like there is no more Batman after that. That’s the purpose of training a Robin, so there is someone to take up the mantle of Batman. This way criminals will believe him to be supernatural or immortal which will only add to the fear that is already there.
It never ends. I mean duh, nobody is gonna look at Batman and be like “Eh guess we can’t make any more money with this guy.” It’s just gonna keep getting remade until someone takes it into a new direction, then it will get remade again and again then rinse and repeat you get the idea.
I’m not saying there are no flaws with the character I mean there are some inherent issues with him, these just aren’t any of them