Panasonic Lumix S5: Zeno’s Paradox
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024
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Sometimes I think Hugh spends most of his days sitting pensively in artfully lit areas, pontificating and giving sage camera wisdom to traveling RUclips pilgrims. Meditating on the true meaning(and pronunciation) of bokeh. But that's just me.
I enjoyed the visualization exercise! It was a very accurate account! 😂
Hugh,...your voice just sounds sooooo damn GOOD on my Quested studio monitors. So rich and full and clear. You are a true poet with a great "radio voice".
Cliff! Nice to see you here again!
Immediately liked because of the “Zeno’s paradox” reference.
On video/s note - you guys need to bump the audio volume on these because as soothing as it is, it's above a whisper compared to everything else I come across and I'd rather turn it down than blow my master volume up.
I purchased that 20-60 lens to carry over the 24-90 Leica. This lens is great on Leica and Panasonic cameras. I don’t care if it’s not all that fast. Fast glass isn’t always what you need. When I need it, I’ll use it.
“The gateway drug into the L-mount alliance” - Hugh, that’s quality. Cheers.
I don’t care what Hugh spends his days doing, he is the only one that told me how to get the free lens. No mention of it on B&H or most of the other RUclipsrs review. Thank you Hugh, for the free lens!
Enjoy!
I’m 4 months too late!!? LOL just found out tonight ha
When I heard of the S5, my first thought was your last sentence in this video: gateway for L mount alliance! Yes!!!
Whenever I read L mount alliance the words slow down and volumes jumps up 🤷♂️
Zinios Box I can’t say it, or read it without hearing it in exaggerated Fro style
Hugh, please don’t stop being expressive, ever! Thanks 😀
🙏🏻😊 Neil! 🥰
First review I have seen to pick up on the lens deal and significant 1.8 primes. For me as a stills shooter it puts it on Par with anything, although the extant Z1.8 50mm favours the Z6/5 in this price range.
The Nikkor Z 50/1.8 is fabulous.
Thank you Mr. Brownstone. Looking to get my first "GOOD" camera, and your opinions help the confusion. Ummmm, hold that thought.... LOL
The other issue with the A7siii is the image stability is not as good as that from the S5,S1,S1H. LUMIX is more consistent throughout the ISO range. The guys at slanted lens did a comparison
This S5 compared with the nearly 4 year old GH5:
- worse IBIS
- worse EVF
- worse HDMI port
- worse LCD
- worse 4K60
- worse record limit
- worse UHS1 SD card slot
- worse lenses with worse combo size/weight
- Same crappy DFD (Don't Focus just Defocus) AF technology
What is Panasonic smoking? PLEASE DO NOT BRING THIS DFD C-AF TO GH6 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!
Appreciated your videos. Given your efforts around the S-5, once I decided to buy one, made sure to use your link. Happy to help support your efforts. :)
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You know a camera from a different manufacturer is a threat to others when the trolls come out in force. And they sure did right after the presentation.
The S5 is a fantastic entry into the L-mount ecosystem. Panasonic really did an amazing job at the trade-offs to keep cost down and camera small. It's very much a purist camera. And with a firmware upgrade, you'll be able to do 5.9k with it?
With the AF... Panasonic knows their market. If the GH5 is dominating, why would they change the AF? As a stills photographer, I think their AF is perfectly fine. With video, their market, professionals, are doing focus-pulling or, just manually focusing. I mean, what other expensive, pro-grade video cameras have AF? I think RED has CDAF and that's pretty much it.
It's about as entry-level or really, low-end professional camera as we can expect from Panasonic. It fills an important spot in their line-up. 2021 will be an "S" year for me and the S5 will be in it.
Well reasoned, thanks!
Jaeger Schtulmann you named the Sony FX9 ... do you even know that it has a sensor of the same family of Lumix S1, S1H and now S5, and that sensor does not support phase detection autofocus?
I think, here, we have a marketing problem, so, if Sony makes a camera for pro users that produce 4K over sampling from 6K but without phase detection then it’s for sure a great camera, but if another brand make a camera with similar specs and great image IQ it is for sure failing because of lacking PDAF ... oh well
Jaeger Schtulmann did you try FX9 autofocus?
The AF is ofcourse a question, if you need it... I´m filming the majority with no autofocus, so it is not the worlds biggest issue. However if one needs it, one wants it to work. Everyone might not be a troll... as there is one thing I learned. With S5 the autofocus is better "in full mode" than with GH5. If you film in "APS-C" mode, the autofocus is even better (in a test it was better than Sony). So a person might test it in full mode and say it is average (which it is), they are not trolling but telling their experience, not knowing it is better in APS-C mode.
High, I really like Panasonic as well but really disappointed with the reluctance to experience with an hybrid AF system. As you allude to, if they fix the AF issue, I have no doubt they’d be the system to beat.
Hugh, many thanks for giving clarity. Especially the last part. I feel of all the hybrids out there, the S5 is giving the most compelling reason to go into the L-Mount system...the gate camera to the system.
With regards to AF, if one is into simple photography, it shouldn't be an issue. And if one is into simple videos, this camera should work. Of course contrast system is not as good as phase system but if I can survive non-AF cameras and Fuji's X100 Original AF, anything that comes after is a bonus.
Again many thanks for the frank comment.
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If you're okay with manual focus, the S5 is a stunning video camera. The C4K 50p 10bit footage is superb, especially in log, and high ISO performance is great. AF isn't the best, but it's useable for many applications.
There were some smoooooth jump cuts in here. Damn
You are my friend a voice of relaxation, And not to mention a great camera reviewer and human being kudos kiddo Love from the Burnetts
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@@3BMEP Live Long and Namaste
For primarily shoot stills, this S5 is finally not that great... if that EVF was better, maybe. But thanks to your video, I am still more lean towards second hand SL than the S5... especially to pair with variety of M lenses. Only the low light make me still hesitate a little for that S5.
For best performance of M mount lenses, a M body is the best option. After that, the SL family. But the S5 is decent enough with M mount lenses 35mm and longer, particularly 50mm. Wider M mount lenses will have some amount of corner and edge smearing, especially older, pre-digital designs.
Thinking about the S5 firmware update; it certainly it makes the camera more tempting for my use case (potentially looking for a second camera for interviews in tropical climates. I have a GH5 currently and like it a lot). Hugh, your review has given me much to ponder, and I thank you for that. I wanted to thank you, as well, for an awesome Portfolio Review session. As someone who is learning and striving to improve, I really appreciated your insights, wisdom, critiques and suggestions!
Hey Hugh! This is not related to the review posted. This is more of a request to connect with other photogs and filmmakers during this pandemic. I live in a small city near Worcester with ZERO arts scene or community. What I’m not getting is opportunities to discuss conceptual ideas, ask for experienced opinions, and have mature discussions about social concerns.
I feel stuck as I’m not finding the support that I normally get. I need to stay off of social media for my own well-being. Which has had me scrambling for connections with other visual artists so that I can keep growing as an artist. I’m not getting critiqued on aesthetic or technical aspects of my work. Are there online workshops I can sign up for? Where can I ask questions about focal lengths for landscape video during the pandemic when in-person groups are shut down? Is there a live chat or community where I can chat about our photographic crafts? Not having these questions answered is quite demoralizing as a visual artist combined with the sadness of staying home 24/7. I’m suffering. Hugh, what would you do in this situation?
Got the G9 and GH5. Think I will wait for the GH6. The L lenses are still heavy and expensive.
That's total bollocks when so many gh5 users are rocking speedboosters and sigma 18-35 lenses
That makes no sense. Sigma plus Speedbooster users don't suddenly negate the far smaller and lighter micro four Thirds lenses. That's like saying cheap Mazdas aren't worth buying because Mercedes sells G Wagons.
I currently focus on documentary films (on a very lean starting budget; all out of pocket) and my initial canera is the old Panasonic UX-180.... . I am looking at the S5 because the color science is similar, but it can push me closer towards the future..... from 8 bit and beyond. Plus it is a package that I can take on the motorcycle as well as hike with and has the weather resistance that the UX-180 does not have..... for out of the box, I can match the UX-180 with Cin-D mode, or switch to V-Log between primary and B camera..... that is my thinking anyway.
Shout out to all the body-only Sigma fp buyers who likely made this lens giveaway possible.
Hello Hugh,
Thank you for creating this video. Even though the S5 does not interest me for my own personal use (I’m a glasses-wearing, stills-only shooter), I found your review of the camera along with the subsequent comparison with the other cameras it threatens/shares market segment with both entertaining and measured.
I'm not surprised by some of the design choices and I think the S5 addresses some of the criticisms leveled at the original S1 lineup (size, price, rear screen, etc.). From what I have read, there are some vocal and upset S1 owners out there, but considering that camera debuted 2 years this month, I'm not sure what they were expecting as technologies often move down the price scale as they mature. I have my even older DC-G9 and it works even better now with its most recent firmware upgrade than it did when I first bought it.
What I found the most interesting in this morning’s press release were the announcement of the upcoming firmware for the S1-series and the road map featuring a flight of f/1.8 primes. The former has disrupted my calculus surrounding the A7RIV vs the S1R for my next purchase or at least makes me reconsider the S1R more positively in terms of its autofocus for still images (the question is which fits my personal usage case the best but I'm spoiled by choice). The latter has me reconsidering Sigma’s DG DN line (I like the company for the same reasons you expressed in the 85mm f/1.4 DG DN video) if I go the S1R route because the f/1.8 primes may be alternatives to the Sigma DG DNs. The free with pre-order DG DN 45mm 2.8 is also pretty amazing and was to be the first lens I purchase for the S1R/A7RIV.
As for the dichotomy paradox (and urban photography), solvitur ambulando.
Great review as always! While I am not in the market for a new camera, and I really didn't care for the specs of the S5, if I were considering a new camera, that would be the one.
But alas, I am quite happy with my G9 and the wonderful firmware update.
G9 is a great camera!
The firmware update was godtier. And I find the IS Lock feature so hilariously powerful that I'm sad that there's not many videos of people turning it on and off during a video for comparison haha.
Nothing beats the Nizo Super 8 on the track!
This guy is Jeff Goldblum’s lost sibling. Love it…new sub!
Welcome, Marius!
Really happy with it as a perfect pairing for my Q2. The 45mm will be here soon for the preorder rebate and I’ll add the sigma 85mm for a great all around personal work kit. Well... until I add the SL2...
Enjoy!
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions will do! I saw the Instagram the other day... any SL2/Sigma vids coming?
I was thinking
s5 for the wide end
Micro four thirds for telepho
Fuji 16/1.4 is such a dreamboat indeed.
The reason i am holding back getting this camera is the lens options most of them are quite pricy and i counld rely on the sigma l lens as the autofocus is terrible but their native is quite relatable.
The I Series was quick on my Leica SL2.
@@3BMEP if they could provide with other cheap variables like f2 i wouldn’t mind guess i will have to for the sony a74 and decide if in getting the s5 or sony a74
Your autofocus test... the HDMI out feed to the recorder impacts its ability to track focus.
The struggle is real. I have the Panasonic G9 and am mostly a stills shooter. I love the ergonomics of the camera more than any other I’ve shot (Sony A series, Fuji X series, Canon R series). I wish it had better low light ability and the files weren’t as crunchy at high ISOs. I wish tracking AF was better but I stay because I adore the PL 10-25mm lens - I shoot wide family photography mostly and don’t care for DOF shallower than 2.8 so these mega fast and heavy lenses in FF don’t appeal to me. Is it worth moving to the S5 and 20-60mm or is that basically a wash in terms of image quality when compared with the G9 + 10-25mm? I’ll have to use higher ISOs with the slower kit lens but is the dynamic range and color info in the FF sensor still going to give me better results and can that lens stand up against the 10-25mm?
Hi! I have a question that I can't seem to find an answer to. Partly because my lack of experience in the professional camera realm and partly because of the lack of information out there. I want to buy a Lumix S5 and I also need a lens for it. I want to film super wide angle at 4k60 ( so the image will be cropped ) and I am looking for a lens that will give me roughly the same image as an iPhone 11/12/13 on the ultra wide camera in video mode ( iPhone crops in ultra wide video mode ) and from what I understand the focal length of the ultra wide on the iPhone is 13mm ( in photo mode ). What lens should I buy for the S5 ( preferably prime ) for this effect aka iPhone ultra wide video mode ( 13mm cropped ). Thanks 😐
Thanks.
The L-mount family is growing .... Leica + Panasonic + Sigma...
8 Cameras already : 4 Lumix(4 FF), 3 Leica (2 APSC, 1 FF), 1 Sigma (FF)...
Leica :
Wondering if Leica will re-badge this S5 to offer a baby SL2 or a Baby Vader(Luke) (an entry Level FF) - Of course with the premium price for the Red Dot -.
Sigma:
After the Sigma FP, what's Sigma plan for L-mount APSC/APSH (Sigma Quattro / Sigma QuattroH replacement), Foveon or Bayer?
A replacement of the SD1 / SD1 Merrill, mirrorless version, FF sensor Foveon or Bayer?
That S5 free Sigma lens deal is extremely tempting. I'm having a hard time deciding between the S5 and the Sigma fp. Both are so good. Really like the Sigma colors and image quality, but the S5 is a much more straightforward shooting experience.
I’m loving the S5’s colors, and 10-bit looks gorgeous.
If they nailed the AF, this camera would be a best seller. Good looking camera too.
One thing many miss is that the AF is better than GH5 (which was bad)... if you film with S5, and change to APS-C mode, the autofocus will be even better!
For photo my G9 rarely misses. Video is really good too. If its anything like that I'll be okay.
i like how you touch on the alternative GH6, maybe wait. I've like a final M43 everything and the kitchen sinx.
Not fueling camera gear wars... but we are having a lot of features with those entry-level FF: Z5, S5...
I am sure Canon will level-up the game with the next RP ...
Hi Hugh, Nice review. I hope every thing is OK and both of you are getting better.
Thanks, John. Stay safe!
Super long video review but, dam they're fantastic and I listen to every bit!.............keep up the great work and I think I will be purchasing a panny S5 to go with my Fuji xt30 instead of a xt4!
I understand the issues with autofocus on the Panasonics and I’m not holding my breath for a GH6. Which raises this question for me: does a GH5 owner invest in a Leica 10-25 or spend a bit extra and pre-order an S5 with the free Sigma? Or an S5 with the kit kens and the free Sigma? Excellent video as always, by the way. Informative, clear and entertaining, with great writing as usual!
Im in the same boat, 10-25mm for my GH5 or 20-60mm with the S5 ..
@@slows728 I got the 10-25 and I love it. But I am considering getting the S5 now.
@@Princeton_James The S5 is a great camera, but even if I bought it, I also bought the 10-25mm for my GH5 because this lens is awesome.
I'm a GH5s user. Does the S5 let me jam sync timecode like I can in the GH5s? Timecode is my preferred method of syncing multiple camera and audio sources.
I thought one of the card slots was UHS 1?
Aside from the Panasonic brand name, I'm struggling to see much synergy between the S5's L-mount niche and the GH5's panorama of MFT lenses and adapters. Sure, you can get manual-focus Canon and Nikon lens adapters for the S5, but if you want auto-focus, you're limited to native L-mount lenses. For those whose budgets rule out Leica's expensive lenses, Sigma is the sole saving grace, and they currently offer just two L-mount zooms. If you're looking for a full-frame mirrorless companion for the GH5, the Nikon Z6 looks like a far more versatile choice, with stabilized auto-focus adapter support for Nikon's huge range of AFS F-mount lenses (plus Sigma and Tamron's as well), which can just as readily be mounted and speedboosted on the GH5. What advantage does the S5 have to offer over that?
5.9k raw output. That alone puts the s5 in a completely new league.
Beat that with your Nikon's!!! And your tiny sensor, cant shoot in the dark gh5
I am primarily a stills shooter, mostly landscapes and wildlife, occasional portraits. I use a Sony rx10 iv and Nikon d,300, and have been waiting to upgrade for the dust to settle with all of the new cameras. Recommendations please.
I did recently get the S1R because it's a good camera for video and has the great megapixels, but I regretting it hard, the D850 had so good focusing system, and with the S1R the focus is a hit or miss, mostly miss :(
Looks like all of the pana cameras having this
I keep trying to scroll up on my monitor.
Sir, I watch all your videos and enjoy each one. I have a small suggestion: Normalize your audio to 0dB. I crank up the volume and listen to your pleasant voice only to be assaulted by the much louder screaming ads. Don't be concerned with standard LUF levels. This is youtube where standards don't matter.. Max it out!
Very informative Hugh. You really do give a good run down of the spec's. You sure know your stuff. As for your face..... Well personal I still think you're Jeff Goldblum's twin brother. I've said it before. Thanks for sharing Hugh. Great video 👍👍👍👍👍👍
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My friend just sold his A7sIII for the GH52
I cant wait to see what they can do with the gh6. 5k 120 10 bit is my dream, but not sure if that can be delivered. The fx6 looks interesting aswell. I presume it will match the canon c300mk3 for about 2/3 the price. Hold that thought😜. The a7s3 would be a great b-Cam to that camera, however the a74 will hopefully be a great b cam to a7s3.
The auto-focus never quite nails the focus on Hugh - it's subtle, but it's constantly hunting and wobbling a bit. Now it's nowhere near as bad as the GH5 or S1, but it's still pretty bad. This seems to be par for the course - Kai W's review was littered with out of focus shots. The lack of full size HDMI port is remarkably short sighted on Panny's part - it needlessly segments a line that has, up to now, not exactly set the world on fire. The looming Sony A7C, A7IV and what I'll presume is some sort of actual firmware fix to avoid a class action suit for the Canon R6 means that the S5 has an up hill battle that I'm not sure it wins. I really do think Panasonic needed to price this more aggressively, or make that prime a permanent bundle. GH6 is looking more and more like wishful thinking, which I suppose is one strong argument for the S5 (virtually every early reviewer calling it the FF gh5). Great content as usual Hugh.
S5 autofocus is better than GH5 (which was baaad). One thing, with S5 in APS-C mode, the autofocus is BETTER, and could compete with Sony (A7 iii), but in "full" mode it still lags behind.
Thank you for this
Thanks for what YOU do, too!
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions just want to let you know that the S5 will be getting shutter angles with the 5.9K update when it comes out...😁
Have you tried shooting these S series cameras in manual? Manual exposure and manual focus? Unless I'm doing something wrong, it's bloody awful, bordering on unusable. I would say the automatic functions, including AF, are superb; but once you try to take control, it's frustrating to say the least. Focus point magnification is dreadful - restricted and badly pixelated, so you can't see where the plane of focus is - and there's something wrong with the preview when using the 'aperture effect on' setting, especially in low light: the whole display becomes so laggy that it can't really track changes in composition. I've never seen anything like it on a high end stills camera (I shoot a pair of S1Rs). I'll grant that the semi-automatic modes are so good that such manual intervention is rarely necessary; but I tried to do some macro work the other day with the Sigma 70/2.8 and nearly threw the damn thing out of the window! There doesn't appear to be any way of focusing at the shooting aperture either, unless I'm doing something wrong, so getting sunstars and mitigating focus shift is extremely difficult. The new camera looks interesting however, and I might grab one at some point.
Isn't it a little strange that all the manufacturer seem to make the exact same semi-compact DSLR style, sort of affordable 24 MP entry level full frame camera? You'd think there'd be some interest in an FF version of the X-E, GX or CL form factor, perhaps with a tilt screen.
The Paradox you described is Zeno's Paradox; Pareto's Principle says 80% of the effects are from 20% of the causes.
Wikipedia has no entry for Pareto's Paradox.
Too right! DOH!!!
Arghhh such good cameras out today makes it hard to choose between the XT4 and this! They’re at the same price with a kit lens now!
I feel like Fuji and especially Nikon are begining to lose the battle. I'd put Panasonic, especially with this camera ahead of any Fuji or Nikon. My XT3 had the worse video AF and stills af was still far behind my sony. The xt4 has some improvements I'm sure but my xt3 was mumy last fuji. I have a lot of fuji gear to get rid of.
Going to wait for GH6 specs. I never use auto focus for my work but the micro HDMI is a no for me and the reason I won’t yet jump to the S5. Exciting times
How does the S5 switch from video to photo. My Nikon has a switch that saves the last settings. I can't find a video that explains how Panasonic does it.
I’m here for : ...... hold those thoughs , lol...
Correction @4:14 The card slots are 1: UHS-II 2: UHS-I . Will this will effect 4k @60 dual writes? Let me know.
No. Récords 150mb long gop.
Was the lens firmware updated?
The reason why I left Panasonic is the missleading advertisement starting with the GH4 and the infamous Professional Audio-Interface which they now offer as a cold-shoe adapter for about 300$. Same thing with the S5. Advertised as a 35mm camera with no recording limit but actually the full format is used only 50% internal recording and a laugheble 40% external recording. In anyother case the sensor is croped in. So simply said all of this: this only works in that, that only works if you do this ect ect ect pisses me of.
In conclusion it runs down to: you either use one setting (which turns the 5.6K and 35mm sensor nonesense) or you have to study the 10-20 settings to get what you want. No thanks.
Great radio voice!
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i feel like im watching a meditation review video. great video BTW
Could you please check the slow motion video? It does only 20Mpbs bitrate? I have g9 and the bitrate for 120fps fhd to 30fps video has 48.99Mbps data rate.
I just need a good, affordable wide angle like the tamron 17-28 for L mount.
Try the Lumix S Pro 16-35/4
I am a Micro 4/3 shooter. Although I'm relatively new to that system. In any case, if I had to choose between the S5 and the A7III, I'd choose the S5. Why? I just like it. You know?
Yep.
I´m evaluating on buying a camera, and I am also leaning more towards S5 than A7iii, even if the camera is far from perfect.
just a small thing: it seems that connecting via hdmi worsens the AF considerabily (as it works though computational horsepower) so maybe...
I will take a look.
Wow, this camera is coming in really cheap for such a great package.You sure it can do 4k 120 though? I think it's maxed out at 4k 60.
For stills only a Leica SL is about the same price. Hard to beat that. What would your choice be?
Well, I bought an SL2. But I think if I didn't have it, I'd go S5 over SL.
I feel the lack of customisable buttons on the S5 compared to the GH5 is more of a deal breaker than anything else. Also the low end evf, micro hdmi, only 1 uhs ii slot aaaand poor video af in this current market are bewildering decisions for Panasonic at this point. I'd love the S1H screen on all cameras going forward and would love an amazing GH6 but don't have much hope now.
For many people this will be a great camera. But if they would put in a proper AF system (what hobby consumers now demand and can get with other brands), this camera system would sell like crazy. When I think of for example the z6 with firmware 3.0 (which is lightyears ahead this in autofocus), is still compared to the 2 year old A73.
Imagine Panasonic with proper tracking capability and no DFD tech. They could have re-released some cameras as mark II and sell them again. Imagine a G9 with good tracking, I would have bought one for wildlife again for sure.
You filmed all of your talking head with the S5 in autofocus mode with max sensitivity and speed without any pulsing?!?
That is correct, Stronz. Nice to see you here.
Let’s not pretend that keeping a fairly static head in video focus is a great feat.
To clarify, why choose max sensitivity and speed? To show worst case or??
Chris Witzgall for whack-a-mole product shots when I place a piece of gear in front of me - or I want to lean in toward the camera. It works better with these settings than others I explored.
Any chance for the upcoming GH6 sensor to match the still pictures of the S5 full frame sensor? I have been using the GH5 for all my video projects but the downside was the need to always carry my Nikon to capture photos...
I'm tempted by the S5 since it's perfect in both video and photo, at the same time I'm curious to see what the GH6 will offer, but if technically speaking a MFT can never match the Full frame in stills, than I won't wait for the GH6. any thoughts?
For any given resolution, the FF sensor will outperform an M43 sensor for any given ISO. But if you equalize for depth of field, they are comparable.
@@3BMEP thank you for the reply
You spent the majority of this on the video features of the S5. For someone who shoots 95% stills and 5% video, would you say the S5 is inappropriate? I was thinking of pairing the 20-60 lens with my SL601 but the cost of the S5 is sufficiently low that I would get the S5 + 20-60 bundle but only if the S5 works well for stills. Thanks.
garydmorris it’s great for stills.
@@3BMEP Thanks so much for your feedback.
whats with the framing
The poor AF just put me off from what would have been THE PERFECT hybrid
Have you tried the s5 i have its good enough
I think
@@garybrown9719 how is AF for video ? (Not fast action)
RUclips camera reviews are predicated on a single criterion - continuous autofocus capabilities. Not stills photography most will be bought for, not serious video making which requires accurate manual focus - just run and gun vlogging potential. While this may be a growth sector, and it's understandable why RUclipsr's emphasise the benefits of good CAF, in the real world it's a niche within a niche requirement.
The S5 is not beyond criticism. The EVF is behind the times and the micro ports are silly on a camera with any video pretensions. The fact remains the S5 is a sub £2k camera including the useful 20-60 and "free" Sigma 45mm or XLR adapter. Which makes it closer to a 1k Canon RP than any 2k camera, and much less than the £4200 R5 or £3800 A7S III it's being compared with.
I don’t think it is a niche within a niche when literally every full frame mirrorless and several APS-C as well as micro four thirds (E-M1.2, E-M1.3 etc) have noticeably better continuous autofocus. It has now firmly established itself as the ‘new’ IBIS feature-cameras that don’t have good IBIS in 2020 are the odd man out. Once you have a good IBIS camera you can’t go back- even if you don’t always need it. Same with autofocus.
@@lomoholga My point is RUclips over-represents the need for CAF and good sound in a hybrid camera, to the point where it's the main thing reviewers talk about. I'm guessing most 24mp full frame cameras are bought for their still photography potential.
Borderlands you are correct that is pretty much all anyone talks about. I think it is because image quality is so damn good with every camera made since what? 2016? M4/3, APS-C, full frames can all do great images. Low light trade offs for sure, but the other side of the coin is size savings with lenses with the different formats. The ‘final’ frontier seems to be continuous autofocus- until we all focus on another feature!
Borderlands hey I use an Olympus pen F for god’s sake so continuous autofocus is not a feature I use, but it sucks for the consumer to have a brand new camera that has objectively worse performance than its competitors, and Panasonic seems to think that is acceptable.
@@lomoholga Lumix single AF is excellent, so stills photographers aren't compromised. I assume Panasonic think they can market a competitively priced full frame mirrorless camera with improved continuous focus, while they perfect contrast detect AF, or find a way of implementing contrast-phase autofocus without the banding issues associated with it.
The point is CAF is only an issue for a minority, mainly vloggers, but the topic dominates reviews as if the camera is useless for everyone else. The truth is hybrid cameras are a work in progress for video, and no one has yet worked out how to make a high megapixel camera suitable for landscape and still life, that works as a low light video camera with impeccable autofocus. Cameras like the S5 represent a reasonable response to the compromises all-round cameras are judged upon.
I stopped watching at 14:00. Why put a such a low res EVF on a hybrid camera in 2020? I owned the incredible S1 for a couple of months. A superb camera indeed with great ergonomics, IQ and IBIS. I just loved the 5.7m dot EVF. But it was too heavy for all day street shooting. I sold it and bought the Sony A7r4 which is complete overkill for me in terms of mp, but I just loved that (same 5.7m dot) EVF, especially as I use a lot of manual focus lenses. I dream about a small, full spec 24mp camera, but nobody makes it - yet. Panasonic have produced a nice camera but risk being beaten hands down by the potential A74 - if Sony get it right.
I am a little disappointed, the GH5 users have been waiting I think 3 years for a new camera. We have lenses and other accessories. They release the S5 and reference GH5 users next progression. If I’m going to literally buy a whole new system and re-invest in glass, as a customer I’m up for grabs for now a whole new system. I’m free to browse. I have a huge store credit waiting for me and it was waiting for the GH6. I even watched the release from Lumix this morning and I didn’t hear mention of the GH6. Ah, well, I’ve waited this long I’ll wait a little while longer in hopes for a GH6
I get what you're saying. But, it's kind of funny. If a camera is updated too soon, people complain (but they should not). If it's updated too slowly they complain, too, although sometimes it's worth the wait.
We'll take a new iPhone every 12 months, like clockwork. But heaven forbid that cameras are updated like that!
The GH5 users waiting three years could use a great video camera and still can that has features many newer cameras don't have.
28:20 - Well sort of a 3 stop light advantage and sort of not. True that the M4/3 at f/4 and FF at f/4 will have the same exposure at the same aperture and shutterspeed for the same photo (different DOF) .....but wait there's more ....the FF has a 2 stop advantage over M4/3 in ISO performance (ISO1600 M4/3 = same noise (SNR) / colour / DR impact as FF at ISO 6400), so you're really only getting 1 stop of usable advantage f/4 M4/3 vs f/11 FF,......e.g. at f/5.6 I would get the same image M4/3 vs FF f/11 by upping the ISO 2 stops and having all other settings the same. The bigger difference is IBIS - I have the S5 and EM1-III I can get shots hand-held at 2 seconds on the EM1-III that I need a 1/2-1/3 to sec exposure (4-6 times shorter) on the S5.
No Leica camera has phase detect autofocus, yet you absolutely love Leica cameras. 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏻♀️
Correct. I use my Leica for photography only and find the SL2’s AF to be fit for purpose; I used our Panasonic for video for four years (primarily with manual focus) until our use cases changed and video AF became critical. Hold that thought for a video dropping soon.
Not dual UHS 2 but UHS 1 and UHS 2 card slots
Thanks for the correction!
Your face is constantly out of focus in this video. Your eyes are soft like for half of the frames of this video, just look at each frame one by one and count how many are soft. More than half. The image AF on your face wobbles constantly. And that A7Siii IBIS is lacking compared with G9, by a lot. The A7Siii is a gimbal-only camera I think.
2:28 WOW it's tiny compared to the G9
Interesting, right?
Wow! I took another peak after your comment. There's a noticeable difference in height and width but the front/back size difference looks huge! Size comparisons I've seen before this video really don't do the difference justice.
I knew it would be a 'better' street camera than the other S cameras. But wow... I would consider taking the S5 out with a 20-50 or 24-70 attached than my G9. But for pro work, the G9 is pretty much no-compromises and fantastic. Performance should be pretty similar on paper between the two. But in the real world and in usage, two very different cameras.
@@3BMEP Seems like the best L mount camera so far for small M mount lens adaptation, size is more proportionate to the lenses. The only better alternative might be the Sigma fp. Only concern is the EVF quality for manual focusing, but I guess as long as there's peaking it's fine. I only shoot a Sony RX1 currently with the EVF attachment, so I'm guessing this would be an upgrade for the viewfinder, and all around.
As ever, a great summary. Aside from eye tracking in stills I never use AF, but then I was brought up in 70's film industry and lucky to work with many stills photographers when AF never existed. Panasonic have really developed their colour science and its showing in the S5. Having invested heavily in MFT native lenses I'll await the GH6 but that S5 looks really nice, especially with Panasonic's reputation of adding regular software updates, and of course with Leica and Voightlander in the equation. Match made in heaven really. The S5's AF in this review comes out quite well, and he shows his settings ruclips.net/video/r7eH3BECQ2I/видео.html
Im old school too. I hardly ever use auto focus. Btw great review.
nice shave
I have mixed feelings about the product made in China. Given my previous nikkor lenses made in China, they often broke down and went into service.
I won't pre order it because of the auto focus
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Sony A7siii is competing with the LUMIX S1H. The LUMIX S5 is $1500 cheaper then the A7siii, of course it not going to have all the features of the A7siii
14:32
Just teased GH5 successor?
i love watching Sony people forget their menus, crappy interface. I did love my sony a7ii but the interface on Panasonic is for me.
It seems everybody is waiting for a GH6 or a G9 successor with a good AF and what is Panasonic doing all these years?
If I had the money, I'd get it right now so I can get that Sigma lens. Frustrating, keep getting car issues.
I thought it was my retinopathy acting up...
It's the Obvious AF issue that gives me pause..