What separates a 2k from a 3k?
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Spirit breaker here! I learned a ton from this match and have definitely put it into more use in my games. Pos 3 was a newer role for me at the time and I hadn’t quite learned the meta as some of you pointed out. I had a great time and learned a lot! I definitely learned even more from the video and am excited to put it into practice. Hoping bsj saying I have a big future ahead of me is true lol
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Nice keep it up man :D
But really though.... SPAM CHARGE
R u 5k yet?
you got to remind yourself, youre the mad cow!, act like one..... when you die it's called "space created" haha
Having this be a replay commentary goes such a long way. Thanks for putting this out.
As a 2k player, I can HEAVILY relate to BSJs frustration here. I often find myself in these situations even as a support player feeling obligated to do everything and shove every lane because my team doesn't want to do anything and likes to wait for things to happen to them rather than be proactive. Obviously I'm not that great either but it's been something I've been trying to focus on and improve in my playing.
Remember it was bsj viewers adamant they push in lanes and they serve up this game ..
2k player here aswell, i can relate. I generally play 1 and nobody smokes or does anything in this rank and everything is so low iq it hurts. I play support and I have to be the one that initiates while offlane doesn't buy blink etc. Obviously im not good either and am playing to have fun not win but gosh sometimes this rank hurts.
As a 2k carry player, i csn relate to this a lot. If the lane goes bad, it feels very hard to push as a carry, and a lot of the times the mid and offlanes farm the safe farm, forcing the carry to push lanes and get ganked in the lane, compounding the issue. Sometimes i just resign myself and play as a pos 3 so that we rven have a chance.
that's what every 2k/3k player says but dude. trust me, if you are 2k (which is really bad), is because you are bad. 2k is a very low lvl dota that you can win solo if you really know how to play. sorry but the truth has to be said. 2k and 3k players have to stop telling themselves they are good at the game, that's when they will start learning and get to 5k+. I have a 2800 MMR smurf and everytime I go play there, every game is full of flaming and bla bla bla even though people don't have half of my mmr. Low mmr players talk too much, they pay too much attention to mistakes and they are unable to focus on the game. Trust me man, I've been there. Just learn how to play and talk less.
@@JeanLefebvre333 so true I got placed in 2k and climbed to 4k in like 2 months now almost 5k
25:59 (21m03s in the match) here is were in an actual ranked 3k match Snap would have gotten 4 reports for not participating in the bad plays of his teammates.
Honestly this happens up to 5k. One of the hardest parts in these games is just the pressure to show up to fights even when you feel like we just aren't good enough for it or aren't reliable or properly coordinated to take that fight.
When the cores dont clear waves and let them push into the towers while they farm ancients right next to it then spam X on you as support as half the creep wave dies to the tower. Or you tp to defend mid as a support when mid ganks and you just get pinged 20 times for daring to take solo farm an xp as a support.
The difference is definitely pushing.
But it’s also that a 2k can’t play a few carries good enough to solo to 3k.
And yes I am 2k, and yes I am not good enough with enough Carrie’s to carry myself to win games consistently. But I will say that almost every win/loss is due to a team getting a huge advantage and the throw it by not pushing at all when they likely can end by min 20-25. And most of the other games is a team almost throwing by not pushing.
The lower mmr you go, the more and more people, especially the pos 1 and 2, just want to constantly farm nonstop until they are 6 slotted.
And nothing frustrates me more than when my entire team all agree (either verbally, text, or by joining the push) for a push and we all agree, and then one guy just tps out or goes to a nearby neutral a camp as we push the high ground and then we get destroyed and the game does a 180 and game is now over. This is likely half of not more than half of my losses. It’s obviously a good deal of my wins too of course when the other team has this happen lol.
I've noticed that boots of travel are a must have as mid in archon. Since - as you mentioned - people dont push waves, mapmovements are completely unpredictable and fights break out randomly anywhere at any time. There is literally no way to 'farm your way to a fight'. And if you farm towards your team, to help them in case a fight breaks out, they'll 4 man walk away from you, or tp to the other side of the map for no reason. Suddenly you find yourself in a 3 v 5, when your whole team was there just 10 seconds earlier. Honestly, the situation you were in the first 25 mins of this game is what 90% of games in archon feel like. And if you have a hero who can only push one lane reliably youre screwed. I feel like its harder to carry archon games than high legend or ancient games. I need 60% of my brainpower to try and ignore all the bad shit thats happening and not get baited into bad fights
This is what I'm talking about whole time, it is 10 time easier to carry Ancient games than archon games, because in Ancient games even if im stomped on mid i can at keast have rotations from pos 4 to take exp or if i FUCKING GANK AS A MIDLANER MY GANK FUCKING MEANS SOMETHIG, NO IN ARCHON EVEN IF I GANK AS LINA WITH BOTS MY PEPEG TEAM IS ALWAYS AFRAID TO PUSH AND TO MAN UP AND IM ALWAYS IN A SITUATION TO BE FRONTLINER BECAUSE FUCKING FRONTLINER IN ARCHON DOESN'T EXIST! Goddamn new frontiers update where 500 mmr mentally challenged amoebas became 2k players!
When I see a Spirit Breaker - the embodiment of a dust carrier - asking supports to carry dust, I know that I'm in 3k.
I'm only halfway through the video at the part where BSJ says he's gonna flame a lot of SBs plays and I can't say that I am surprised.
Some great commentry on mid rotations and thinking to take and implement, glad you back BSJ!
biggest problem imo is 2k will NOT take rosh, ever, without prompting. Even then, you have to drag them by the ear.
Always been a fan of educational smurf, and the post game replay analysis makes it even more rich! I barely understood anything about how to play dota until I saw these. Thank you!!
Am 2k player, and this video is story of my life. Like really often I spend my time wondering "what the f**k is going on", and end up out farm of the other team and pushed as f**k. You made a spotlight on moments that will really helping me knowing how to react to such situations. Good job!
Lost my job and might go to jail but atleast BSJ posted a video.
gl big bro
How long u sentences for
good luck man
Very important to point out how the enemy team's movements can dictate where their vision is, and vision really wins games - especially with spirit breaker. That bane goes on you at @22:04 with a lot of confidence, so clearly has vision of you and should be dewarded when possible
Was 4k when I stopped playing a few years ago. Now recalibrated at 1.7k. People just stand around under tower, pinging that you come to stand with them :D. And it's becoming difficult to rank up, because they are really not playing/farming. It happens for the last 10 games that the enemy team does everything good. And my team feeds or goes 'killer' builds (i.e. mid necro brown boots lvl5 dagon, and thats it :D)
I know that feeling man. I used to be 3.6k, stopped playing for a few years and recalibrated at 1.8k a few months ago, so far I've climbed up to 2.6k but it feels like such an insane uphill fight with my teammates taking the most absolute dumbass fights, doing nothing in general, or just griefing/trolling, I keep having tilted pos1s throwing games really often and it's just really frustrating as a mid player
Any update? I used to be 3k and when I came back i was like 1.2k.. took another break for like a year and now i'm 2.3k and climbing still. I think the rank system got changed or something because it feels like the same low 2k back when I started in 2015.
@@austinatyahoo 2.4k and climbing, but breaks are needed from the game. Ofc, the game sometimes puts you with complete idiots, but u just have to accept and move on :D
If thats what u call flaming then you are not ready for sea dota😂😂
There's little to no difference between 2K and 3K players.
1: You have position 4's and 5's who attempt to play like 1's, and this is obviously problematic as they are not playing the position of a support (and neither are the Cores), and they are soaking farm and experience that is absolutely detrimental to the outcome of the game. I usually automatically flag them as account buyers as anybody who actually earned their way to the average player's MMR would unironically need to know a thing or two about playing the game.
2: People are way too afraid of being called out for making a miniscule or critical error, that they don't even attempt to create space or make a play. They play just completely passive, hiding in the base, flash farming the creep waves.
3: Following up not creating space. Not buying items enabling themselves to initiate in combat, to counter initiate in combat, to shield, or heal, or push teammates out of the way. You'll have (sigh...) sniper supports going Tranquils into Aghs?? Hoodwinks rushing maelstrom?? Ogres rushing Midas into Aghs??? And it just doesn't end. And it's everything about their inability to comprehend the game atmosphere, or play the game.
.... Absolutely no ability to play the laning phase. Not pressuring the opponent's ability to farm gold or experience (absolutely crucial to winning side lanes and building rapport) No ability to create farm by stacking camps. No ability to defend early sieges by casting spells and using mana. Always standing on the back line and not soaking or absorbing any of the incoming enemy damage (forcing the Cores to be the ones soaking the damage and inevitably dying - because the damage isn't distributed equally, the individuals who are intended to die, don't, and the ones who are not intended to die, do)
I have played every position, and I would peel for any of my teammates if I had the capability of doing so, regardless of my position, and that's just something that has been forgotten about, because teaching the player base to report each other for miniscule things such as coaching and giving sage advice are the normal now??
My honest opinion is; the game has an incredibly massive learning curve, and the bare basic understanding of the way that the game is played out and the mechanics of the game are not discovered by the playerbase until upwards of 5,000 MMR. So there is absolutely no difference in mentality, skill, or gameplay leading up to that.
Nice to have you back!
the way you teach data is so phenomenal! sorry for telling you that every time but you are awesome! keep doing that.
bsj content, finally, hope you rested well, welcome back brian! =)
After new matchmaking implementation when they pushed 1k guys up during calibration I have this feeling every game. Guy on let's say PL just passively jungle and never pushes waves when opponent is showing across the map. While offlaner guy with a blink can't make any plays because he has to run in between 2-3 lanes defending towers from creeps while 2 cores with an escape jungle... Beautiful 😢, thanks Gabe very much.
Good to have you back sir.
Yay, welcome back. Was worried you quit doing RUclips vids.
missed the content. Happy its back.
26:22 - you take neutrals instead of applying top tower pressure. While they do have bots, you would still have forced them to use to come to you while you then tp to mid.
I miss you BSJ. Here comes my man with the latest insights on DOTA2. LFGGGGGGGGGGGG
YASSSS! Thank god your back, anxiety cured.
This looks like most of my games except without an expert frustratingly guiding us to victory hahah
19:15 from PMA BSJ to RAGE BSJ LMAO
Its crazy but Im lisening this with youtube in background and it can be easly a podcast of dota . U talk about all ur position exactly in the map i can literally imagine everything without the need of seeing it by my self!
So after a little math and a lot of thinking I think I figured it out. What separates a 2k from a 3K is about 1k mmr.
Gotta watch this a few times, there is a lot to learn here
glad you're back!
Hello there bsj i want to know how much you charge for one coaching session
Love these videos. So beneficial.
Glad seeing your video again!
Top video homie we missed you
As a 3k support, I very often meet players who trashtalk me as "farming support" as i push out 3-4 waves pushing us one lane while they get killed in enemy jungle. People just need someone to blame.
All while the lanes are pushing onto your tower but the cores prefer to farm jungle instead lol God forbid you decide as a support to push it out yourself though
A lot of carries fight when they should farm and a lot of supports farm when they should fight
They are in low mmr for a reason
U idiots, let the creeps be closer to tower instead of taking it from ur carry, stupid sups
19:27 - best moment
Thank you BSJ!
welcome back bananaslamjamma!
I'm 3.5k MMR and I've never thought pushing waves is good for vision. I thought not-pushing was better for we would have enemy creeps nearer to farm
It's regional thing i believe, being an Ancient at Aussie server, no smoke, no stacking whenever safe lane winnning, and only goes for Tier 2 Towers after BKB on at least 2 cores. Been trying to play at SEA and EU, both are more active but man most of the game took >45min to end. Mid n pos 1 too eager for 6 slotted first before going high ground, even when leading by a landslide.
BSJ IS BACK!! HYPEEEEEE
Is there an SEA version of this?
missed you bro. thanks for coming back. haha
i tried watching your twitch stream, but my internet can't keep up.
I started playing a week a go, i played league for almost 8 years and me and my friend are trying to learn dota, and we encounter this problem very often, people don't push lanes and expect that you make plays, so most of the games is me and him pushing sides while our team fights or farm mid together :| it's pretty frustating but i understand that some people don't have the same notion
This is my mmr 2800-3300 I fluctuate between these numbers for years, but I find nothing wrong with it, players at this level respect their role and not grief, I Don't want to grind hard at higher levels although I could (12 years of dota under belt). For occasional play I find this being the sweet spot of dota community. Mmr is just a number
lul trash
Youre back!!
From my own experience, being ex high mmr player, not playing, droping to archon and then growing atlest to low divine atm (play just few games a week, takes time). Diference between players are mainly in mindset and communicarion. From high archon/low legend to high legend / low ancient players is only doference from my observations - some of them instaled the "team communication" (be it chat or voice) DLC and some not. (By communication i mean communicating moves/timings with team, not shouting at team and flaming). And then, the diference from low ancient to low divone is again realy simple - if ppls tilt higher they go 10 min jungle afk and then usualy proceeds to be somewhat usefull. At lower mmr they sell items and autoattack mid.
But at my youtney i saw realy neerly to no difetence in item building skills, lining skills, farming skills, teamfighting skills or so. Seems like those are realy not core to gaining mmr
BSJ are you still using Windows 7?
cant wait for what seperates a 4k from a 5k
Thank you bsj
Welcome back BSJ
what hotkeys are u using to control illusions, I see when u press manta they just go in lane push, any tips how to use that properly?
You bind the illusions to one of your control groups and attack move the lane, dota remembers what units you put in control groups between the games and demo hero so you can set it once and never redo
If you have default keybinds
Summon illusions and select them, press shift + 2
Now whenever you press 2 and illusions are alive you will select them
Once set up you just press manta, press 2, press A and leftclick down the lane on the map, illusions will go there and attack anything in their way
Protip: if you don't play with autoattack on you can bind it in options and toggle it after lane phase ends
This way illusions wont just stand there when enemies walk past and will automatically attack anything near
How Can i togolesas autoattack on an off? This seems very helpfull
@@alexfernando6203 Go to settings, Hotkeys, Advanced at the bottom and on the left at the bottom of unit actions you can bind it
can u do ed smurf in 4k as well?
Man. I think that as time goes on it'll become more and more of a prevalent thing but nobody talks about how it's a ten year old game and lots of people still playing are just addicted and the game is ritual. Theres no thinking just lots of autopilot. Plus, because the parallels of addiction and mental illness - often players have behaviour issues. Whether its problems with following other people, main character syndrome, rage issues etc.
When game is good, its great. So often its just an hour of torture and personally im leaning more and more towards not gambling with my time. There are other games I can play that are always fun.
hi bsj have a nice day i missed you thanks for the childhood.
this guys ok with keep it pma!!!
Can someone please explain what the item swapping 14:14 is all about? Thanks
You: Push waves
Teammates smoked and dived behind creep waves, ran into 3 tps and died: mY cOrE iS aFk FaRmInG OmG I bUy MiDaS gG
You have been missed BSJ
Welcome back!
He's alive
at minute 14:00 u are talking about people gathering mid lane but doing nothing. That happens to me a lot and i go to farm somewhere, or go to defend tower etc. This drives me crazy :D When people just defent 3 people 1 tower against 1 support for example. And when I go to somewhere to farm, a fight breaks out and my team loses (since they show themselves to enemy and enemy gathers because there are 2-3 people doing nothing) ... That is so annoying.
what does BSJ mean with mid lane and side lane clearing heroes?
Ppl might have better explanation but simply put
Sidelanes = longer lanes = more opportunities for the enemy to gank cuz of it and also portals
Midlane = shorter lane = usually heavily guarded by wards since ppl deemed mid more important hence more attention to it
So sidelanes = need more mobility + survivability to actually clear it safely (coupled with better map awareness even if u have said requirements)
Midlane = can be cleared by less survivable/mobile heroes hence why bsj said its the place for ranged high wave clearance rate (by nukes/spells)
Not perfect explanation but simple enough to understand
YIPEE BSJ VIDEO!!! :)))
People always think they’re the best in 2k/3k mmr, thats why nobody can teach them shit.
I really want to play a proper offlane like Mars but it's just not working.
I should just continue cheesing the games since im not a mid laner.
great one
My last 3 games played enemy team kills to ours at min 10 or before... 14-2, 13-3, 15-4 n only 3 of those deaths were mine. Game is over at that point. Then after they fed their brains out they respawn in and go to fight right away, die and I get flamed for pushing lanes out. I know there's plenty I can work on but holy hell.
Watching this invoker, he could've denied both water runes at 4m
Man i missed bsj smurf vids
Finally, a video just for me :)
its different when you have players in your game who have been playing since 2012 but are 2k mmr. its not the same skill bracket,
this is kind of random but at 11:14 he takes a stacked camp and it got me wondering if enemies get the stack bonus gold if the camps get taken their opponent?
The person stacked it doesn't get the bonus gold unfortunately :(.
Quick off top question. Is Ursa 1 with vanguard to octarine core still legit?
yes in low mmr most likely lol
@@blase9786 have you tried it?
Is that Windows 7 media player?
Wow i ddnt know i can edit my items in guide items cool . 😊😊
Where have you been all this time! 😢
Long waited
It doesn't matter if you have PMA if you're teammates doesn't really cooperate or listen to you. That's the problem in low bracket games. Most of the time they're like a bot/AI and they are the ones that has the nerve to flame you. Lmao
I just find it funny BSJ thinks 3k players push waves. Lmao
I literally will push bot to tier two, tp top to defend, push that to tier two, and then underlord ULT back bottom cause the lanes back at my tower, do it again, look top lose my mind and do it again.
Im 5k player and I had been a lot you that kind of situation when I playing with my 1k-2k friends they are always gruop up as 4 man and never do right stuff. Even when i telling them what to do , what items to get to sustain in fight or be able to fight, they just dont listen, they stick to random build from the internet, and hope it work. But hey try to guess who is bad in the team and who is blamed all the time ? :D Always ME! Cuz Im not with the team , sadly for them I dont do mistakes like them. So they are 1k sine 2-3 years :D
I have received like 10 reports in my last 10 games (2.2k) by just evading obvious bad fights and trying to split push.
I don't get these people...
Keep it calm keep it bsj
Just kill it 😂😂 19:32
MMR is just a number according to Twitch Chat. Also, everybody is either 2K or Pro 😂
I wanna see this SB in the comments, where is he? I want his version of the story as well 😂😂
The main problem in 2k pubs lies in toxicity from bad situation. 90% flaming each others and start either feeding or afking. Then it is obviously hard to change the situation
People played alot better in the 2k bracket than kn the 3k bracket.
23:31, your forti resets every time your tier 1 tower collapses so it was like a why not forti situation
Got my 7 wins. Thanks
Ehyy new stuf! Cheers!
Well the things you said is correct but consider that 90% of 1500 ~2000 players are selfish,nobs and antigamers(feeders ,rage quiters...) ,i usually solo carry my games, and i carry them too ,dosent matter what rule i play,i have to carry everything to win,otherwise they dosent deserve a win
now do herald and guardian
This is the type of game is the reason why i don't like playing moba games😂
Lol literally checked on you today after 2 months or so
me too xD probably bc of the title
Soy 3 k,, que nos separa de los 4k?
It is not about 2k players not pushing the lanes, it is all about their lack of knowledge on what pushing lanes mean.
The other day I was playing on Naga and DK in 3/4k bracket unranked. I was pushing top lane with illusions on both heroes (I had octarine and aghs on DK), took t2 and pressuring t3 especially with DK illusions. And on main hero clearing jungle waves.
My teammates on the other hand were fighting nonstoply not in teamfights but alone and blamed me for "not pushing and taking towers WITH THEM. Although I pinged t3 tower health and top lane they would not listen, instead kept flaming assuming that I was afk farming.
This is the main problem there, if carries or midlaners do what I do, but at some poiny they listen to their teammates, they lose efficiency for nothing.
Give me a what separates 3k from 4k plz :D