I threw my Arccos Golf Caddie in the trash, you should too and here's why!
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2023
- I used the Arccos Golf Caddie system for over a year that I purchased with my own money. After extensive testing, I have decided to not renew my membership and here is why! #gspro #garminr10
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Hey good overall as to how the experience is with these sensors. I've used both the Gen 1 sensors, and the Gen 3. Fortunately, I still had the Gen 1 sensors, and switched back to them.
The majority of the issues you are experiencing unfortunately stem from how the new models transmit shot data; High Frequency Sound.
The sensors literally emit a sound (like a dog whistle), and your Phone's, or apple watch's microphone literally listens for it. Therefore, the signal is completely disrupted by ANY sound which may disturb or muddy the incoming signal. - I found these sensors are completely unusable on a windy day, or loud environment. I also found that (if using your phone to receive) if your pockets are baggy, the rustling of the phone in your pocket can also disrupt the signal. When using my watch, I had to switch out my sexy (amazon knockoff) metal wrist band for that shitty rubber one it came with and strap it on really tight or else the jiggle/jingle would fuck with the signal.
The moronic High Frequency Sound system also requires your listening device (phone/watch) to have its microphone ALWAYS on.
1) This completely destroys battery life.
2) You cant simultaneously use ANY other app that uses sound (ie, you cant play music to a Bluetooth speaker, or take a phone call etc.)
The Gen 1 Arccos sensors used a simple Bluetooth signal to communicate shots. Therefore, there is no interference, considerably more range, less battery life used (on listening device), and it DOESN'T CRIPPLE YOUR PHONE WITH STUPID ASS MICROPHONE ON AT ALL TIMES TRASSSSSH.
The only downside(depending on how you look at it) of the Gen 1 was that they run on CR2023 disc batteries. For me, I found that the batteries last about 150-200 ROUNDS. I change all 14 batteries once a year when the season starts and never have to think about it again. Especially for those first 100 rounds, at full battery power the shot detection is absolutely insane. I can leave my phone in the fkin golf cart and it will still grab almost all shots AND PUTTS.
This was a long post mostly to just SHIT on HOW COMPLETELY TRASH the new generation of arccos sensors are, but to RAVE about how AMAZING the ORIGINAL GEN 1 sensors are. Arccos. Please go back.
I want to like this comment 1 million times! I think you get at the heart of the issue, plus for my the subscription price for an inferior product. All the issues you have described were exactly my experience on course with them! I wish I had the Gen 1 sensors so go back too, maybe I would reconsider it! I hope other people will see your comment. Thanks for the view!
I also pinned this comment!
I have 1,900 shots over 25 rounds this year so far. arcoos is a great system. I got the sensors and then purchased the link. This system works great I only have a couple missed shots a round that lets me add them. I use my phone to see the hole and distance I have on every shot. For me the putter picks up my puts you just have to make sure the pin is in the correct placement for the correct distance which is easy at some point use a range finder hit the pin and adjust on the arcoos app. If you don’t have money then yes it’s a lot but the cost is not much at all and I think you get good information about your real distance not distance you think you hit. It tells you how often for your clubs you are short, long, left, right , or hit the green. I am sticking with it. I have the gen 3 sensors, link, and an iwatch that mirrors the app off of my phone. Great system
Glad it is working out for you!
😂 💯 FACTS spoken! I had the same experience wirh Arccos too. The sensors are activated by solar which makes them inconsistent. And constantly using my phone to add missed shots (during play), penalties and majority of putts. On top of all that, Arccos wants you to buy the Link clip to have more accurate connections to the sensors and since I'm an Android smartwatch user, a lot of features are missing that the Apple Watch has. I'm gonna probably try GolfPad Tags or Shot Scope Connex this year.
Hey thanks for your comment and glad to know I'm not alone in my experience! I actually ended up upgrading to an Apple Watch Ultra and am just going to roll with that with 18birdies app. I did this last year with a normal apple watch and it worked great other than my watch battery life. With the watch upgrade, I shouldn't have that issue anymore!
Great intro 😂 and nice edit overall. Never been keen on this product tbf. I have used apps for a while, but then im on my phone. So ive taken it back to good old score cards 😊
Haha thanks BA glad that you enjoyed it! Yeah I never really considered before I bought it that I’d be on my phone a lot more due to the issues in the video. I still use an app but only to get the distances on my watch. I will use my phone if I want to see how far to a bunker or water, especially if I’m playing a new course. I much prefer the good old score card as well! Thanks for the comment/watch!
Thank you for this post.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah have to agree that this is just cheap and nitpicky. I've used them on 8 rounds in the last month and love them. I bought the Link Pro and just keep it in my pocket. Tracks all my strokes, all my clubs, and it does a good job of tracking my putts. The Link Pro has a "mark the pin" button to get super accurate putt info. It occasionally misses a putt but its easy to just add or subtract putts on the app before you move to the next hole. I have my phone in a magnetic cart mount. Gives me accurate to the center of the green measurements. No more time fumbling with a laser meter trying to get a read, no more writing down score cards. And when I'm done the app submits my round to the USGA for handicap tracking. This is definately worth the price of admission of $12 a month or what ever it is. I got my sensors free from club champion, but since I needed better grips anyways I just got the midsized sensor grips that came with a free year anyways. I'll be passing my screw in sensors off to a friend. And for the "yeah but the link pro is another $220!" guys out there, I literally do not care. It's been worth every penny.
Thanks for your comment. In my personal situation, and I'd assume most people, we have to make choices each day on what we spend our money on and what we don't spend it on. I think calling something "cheap and nitpicky" isn't exactly fair as people have to make due with whatever financial situation they are in. Based on your comment, you had to spend $250 extra for the link pro, on top the of the $200 for the sensors and the $159 annual subscription. To me that is MANY rounds of golf and having to spend $250 extra to make the product work, in my opinion is not worth it at all, but to each their own. My video was meant to be a review of my personal experience with it.
However, I am glad you are finding success with the Arccos, overall it is a good system when it works and I like the data it provides, but there are pretty alternatives for people trying to get a better value.
@punchedgreensgolf you dont "need" a link pro for it to work. It's for convenience of not having to keep my phone in my pocket during play, it stays mounted on my cart. The sensors were initially free, there are many ways to get them free via ping, club champion, or other manufacturers. Now I did find out my grips are too small, so when I went to buy midsize grips I just bought the arccos ones because they came with the free year I was about to pay for anyway. That being said the average round of golf here is $100 usd before beer and food. It maybe cost me a weeks worth of golf.
Honestly if the sub was only 5USD or so a month, I'd totally be onboard with this system even if it costs upwards of 300USD to get the hardware. The way it is now though, you are paying something like 16USD a month which as you pointed out adds up pretty quickly.
Completely agree with you! I think overall it isn't a bad system but the price point just kills it. If it was $300 and no subscription I would absolutely use it and overlook some of the flaws. But for the price point, especially where I am where I can't golf all year, it makes no sense, the value isn't there.
I've had this for years. Things I don't like: Agree a bit too much post round admin fixing everything which was missed.
2. Broken sensor, need to buy expensive replacement from Arccos
3. Subscription cost
What I like A. Stats
B. Arccos caddie
C. Training advice
Completely agree on all points! I think the subscription is ultimately what kills it for me. If they lowered the price and fixed some of the bugs (which is what I thought paying for a subscription for is) I would consider it again. I ended up upgrading to the Apple Watch Ultra which has been amazing! I am just going to roll with that with 18birdies app. I did this last year with a normal apple watch and it worked great other than my watch battery life. With the watch upgrade, I shouldn't have that issue anymore!
carry numbers are more important, the arccos numbers factor in roll and bounce, which can vary so much
That’s a great point! Didn’t even consider that thanks!
You have to pay for Garmins sensor (no membership). Arccos you dont « pay » for the sensors because it comes in with the 1st year membership. Theres a free trial that comes with the free sensor package (you pay the shipping 20$ approx).
So you are actually paying for the sensors with every yearly membership renewal of $160.
@@punchedgreensgolf you are paying for the software and the analysis that gets out of your games with the stats they provide.
@@JS44UM So which is cheaper a 1 time fee for the purchase of garmin sensors (in your example) or yearly $160 fee?
@@punchedgreensgolf been paying that suscription every year and will still do.
It’s definitely a luxury and annual subscription would be more fair around $50. It is helpful to understand club gapping also and to see how to address that. And in general motivates to play more and improve. Difficult to understand how far you are really hitting the ball all the time otherwise
Hey thanks for your comment! Definitely agree if the price were a bit cheaper would be a no brainer. Having gone the entire season without it this year, there are some things I miss about it, mainly the stats and analytics, but I might go with a Garmin watch next year to have that back.
Try shot scope free for life sensors $100. I just got it With the H4 it was $150 no subscriptions ever. What I like is there is no battery to wearout I believe they are RFID chips. You can use your phone, or get the H4 or one of their watches. I haven't had a chance to use them yet as our course doesn't open until next month.
That's awesome! It was definitely on my list but I ended up upgrading to the Apple Watch Ultra which has been amazing! I am just going to roll with that with 18birdies app. I did this last year with a normal apple watch and it worked great other than my watch battery life. With the watch upgrade, I shouldn't have that issue anymore!
That intro 😂
Hahahaha I’m glad you enjoyed it
I got sent some free sensors when I bought my ping clubs recently. To get them it made me sign up for a free trial but did not state what it would cost after. Immediately cancelled - I have a Garmin S62 watch that essentially does all they propose to do on the watch and I don't pay a sub. The watch sometimes struggles to detect short pitches and won't do putts but there is a small 3 sensor bundle you can get for those clubs. I think I might just get those!!
Haha yup it’s so shady! That’s awesome I really want to get a Garmin watch I think I might next season just not sure if I want to make the investment since I mainly use my Apple Watch. But everything I’ve seen about the S62 plus no subscription cost makes it very compelling !
@@punchedgreensgolf I felt the same initially as I have a Samsung smart watch that linked to a phone app. But to be honest not needing to have my phone with me and still do things like marking pin positions or working out distances for a shot I'm about to take. Or the smart caddie...all on the watch has been great.
@@ZoolsEpicMusic that’s great to know! I think I’m going to look for some good deals on one this holiday season and hopefully pick it up….or get Garmin to sponsor me 😂😂😂
@@punchedgreensgolfThe problem with Garmin watches especially the Approach or Fenix is the Start/Stop button which is the main action button on the watch tends to get 'stuck'. This usually happens 1.5-2 years after purchase and quite frankly, I don't want to be SOL (which I already am at the moment) especially if I bought a $450 or even $700 watch (S70). So it's definitely a double edge sword. So what do you recommend in lieu of Arccos?
Just started using across this year and the putting is by far the worst. Seems like every time I use my putter to smooth out the green after I fix my pitch mark it marks it as a stroke. Other than that tho I love it for how it can pick up and adjust the yardage from the wind, I find it’s decently accurate more times then not
Side note: when using my watch to mark the pin on the greens I find it can be totally off even making it so the pin is off the green at times 😂
Hey thanks for your comment! Yes it's terrible and was one of the most annoying parts. Having to constantly check my phone after each hole to make sure the putts were recorded correctly. I basically gave up on getting the putting distances correct as it was just a pain. Also yeah I gave up on marking the pin as well as it would never record it correctly on my watch as well! Yes, I do love the yardages readings and found it very accurate with the weather especially as you mentioned, but for the cost just didn't think it was worth it over a range finder and a free app. Good luck with it!!
Did you try it with the Link? means you don't need to use your phone.
Hey yeah I used an Apple Watch but still requires you to check on your phone to make sure it registered correctly.
I think it cost too much for what you get. I think the concept is amazing. But for me it rarely works, the mapping is wrong, and 50 to maybe 60% of the time it doesnt track properly. If it was 100 or less I think for the gps it would be in line with what some other phone gps are charging
Hey yes completely agree! I have had the same issues and the cost just isn't worth it. I use a Rangefinder and a free GPS app 18 birdies and all my needs are met for free!
Hated it until i got the Arccos Link Pro. I just throw it in my pocket and forget about it. Phones or smart watches takes focus away, even more so when they cant be trusted.
That’s good it worked for you with that! I’ve seen the link pro but haven’t tried it. Still think it’s a little crazy to have to buy an additional add on to make the experience better though
@@punchedgreensgolf I dont understand, why is it crazy to pay for something? Is there any brand that just gives out free stuff?
@@CptGolfsAlot it should work without having to spend another $225, the base product itself is flawed is my point
Doesn't 18 Birdies require you to be on your phone all the time?
Yes you can be, but I use it on my apple watch to enter in my score and get quick GPS distances. Otherwise am not on it.
The putter sensors barely work, and if you happen to swap putters and don’t have one paired, you can’t use the system at all! And the Superstroke grip’s require a special $30 sensor. Pretty significant scam really
Great point I forgot to mention that!! Super frustrating and misleading, completely agree with you
Get an Arccos link pro?
At the time of making this video they didn't have that. However, I still don't think it's worth it to have to spend extra to buy another device to make their device work.
Agree with everything. My experience too.
It is wildly inaccurate for me... Its made me very suspicious of people like Lou Stagner ... I dont trust any of his stats
Yes this is what I am saying!
It’s trash, I got the sensors for free when I bought a new set of PING irons. The sensors never paired to the phone, I tried multiple times with no success. You also made a great point about having to be on your phone while playing a round of golf. Big thumbs down from me.
Thanks for your comment and glad you agree!
I couldn't disagree with you more. The data from Arccoss is very valuable. The strokes gained and automatic counting of your strokes, clubs used and distances is very helpful. With Arccoss my I have my next shot yardages right on my wrist with club recommendation. I love to review my my data after each round, which allows me to focuss my practices sessions. As a 0-5 hanicap player, this is a huge help to me in my shot execution.
Hey thanks for your comment. I don't disagree I do like the data and the strokes gained, but it didn't always accurately count my strokes, especially around the green and putting. My main issue with it is for what you are paying for it yearly it isn't good enough and in my mind not worth that fee. If it were a one time purchase or if they make it more accurate I would think otherwise. I didn't use it all this season and haven't missed it.
Agree with Mark. High handicap golfers definitely won’t be the ones out on the course trying to track any, much less, all of the stats that arccos provides. Imagine how much time that would take! A fee to do that automatically for anyone good enough and willing to put in the effort to get better at golf understands how worth it Arccos is. Most of this guy’s negatives towards Arccos are things I’ve never experienced. Not registering putts is an issue for me but so easy to fix. Literally takes seconds on my watch. I rarely ever need to look at my phone during a round. I’ve also been using for a year and my review would be the exact opposite. If anyone wants a referral code, I’m your guy.
@@Nolan_Swinghamer hi Nolan thanks for your comment. I respect your opinion on the product . It seems people either love or hate their arrcos after making this video. I went this entire season without it and haven’t missed it. But to each their own.
@@Nolan_Swinghamer if I can get it for slightly cheaper I am all for that.
What I find is that every vlogger that comes out against something after using it for a year it is usually because they tried to get something free from manufacturer or seller of the product and when they refuse suddenly the vlogger comes out against the product.
Thanks for your comment but it couldn’t be further from the truth and I don’t know where you are getting your information from to come up with that. The truth is I paid for Arccos myself with my own money, used it myself each round of golf and decided the value proposition wasn’t worth it to me to renew another year. And I then made a video about it to tell others why I thought so and why I don’t think they should be using the product as well. You’re better off with a GPS watch or a free app….
😂 I got them on a promotion for free with 45 days trial. After two rounds with it I took them out of my clubs. Cool data and interesting to analyze my game afterwards but I already been doing that with pencil and paper. This video validated my experiences with the arccos.
@@MichaelChoi thank you! Glad I could help!
Dude is all about money…. LOL. 160 bux a year is one round at a nice place. LOL. All I hear is he’s cheap.
Thanks for your comment. I'm sorry you feel that way. I am all about opportunity cost and return on investment. I don't feel like either of those was worth it for Arccos and I created this video as a way to explain my decision and provide my thoughts for others considering making an investment into Arccos. I have gone the entire season without using it and don't miss it at all. If I offended you in any way I'm sorry, but my opinion is my opinion.
I don’t think it has to do with being cheap, arccos just isn’t worth it. There’s other options that do the same thing and have no subscription fees
Thank you for the excellent video. I've been using Arccos for four years without a subscription, thanks to the smart grips I purchased. However, with the impending subscription fees, I decided to switch to Shot Scope X5, which doesn't require a subscription. While I find the Arccos app better, I'm enjoying the convenience of having all my data on my watch without needing to refer to my phone. Although Shot Scope's data tracking isn't as detailed as Arccos, it provides sufficient information to identify areas for improvement in practice and they continue to roll out updates.
Do your homework before you do the reviews…. What a joke
Thanks for your comment . I actually used the sensors myself purchased with my own money for an entire golf season so I think I did my homework and feel great about my review. I haven't missed the Arccos at all.