I agree with your assessment that Arccos is the superior system overall, particularly in terms of data display. However, after transitioning to Shot Scope, I discovered that while their data presentation might not be as polished as Arccos, it still provides the necessary information. Considering Shot Scope's customer service and responsiveness, I struggle to rationalize paying a subscription fee solely for aesthetic data representation. Since switching to Shot Scope a year ago, I've been highly satisfied with their ecosystem. Moreover, I've found Shot Scope's accessories to be very affordably priced, particularly when purchasing additional tags for clubs.
Didn't get Arccos because of the subscription and frankly, I don't need advice, distances or anything else from this tech on the course. I have a laser gun and two feet to pace things off as needed so only having the H4 device is fine. Last year was my first with Shot Scope and I've incorporated it into my ritual before each shot (I still forget but that is what the web interface is for). I like it, it is great data and their customer service has been exceptional and responsive.
I went down the Arcos rabbit hole. Tried it for one year and didn’t much care for it. It took me two more years to get them to cancel my subscription. The company is nothing but a scam.
@@JeffMiller-n1o I cancelled my subscription with Arcoss too, I liked the app but the sensors are easy to lose, and overall it's expensive. I've bought a garmin watch now, see how that goes
I’m an Arccos user and was an early adopter. Paring with Apple Watch has always been the killer setup, and I don’t mind having my phone in a pocket mid-game but I despise having to have it in front pocket. Watch based shot listening on any non Ultra watch is a battery no-fly zone. Since upgrading to Watch Ultra, the Arccos system is flawless. Phone in hip pocket as scorecard and reference with watch doing the heavy lifting, quick reference and pin locations. Arccos plus Apple Watch Ultra is where it’s at.
Yes, they do. You press the Pin Collect over the hole, and that’s it. However, one thing missing in this review is GPS accuracy. Usually, it’s a few yards either way. It’s not a big deal on drivers or approaches, but once you are on the green, that is a different issue. I have had Arccos, and I now have Shot Scope, and putting data on both systems requires data adjustments.
@@nupezb Good point on the GPS. I have the X5 for a couple of months now and I suspected these deviations.. It's a good thing I review the round on the web dashboard the same day I play, because putts do indeed need adjustments. Even the pin collect isn't perfect, there's always a couple of holes where I'm going 'hey that wasn't where the pin really was'
If your GPS is a little off on the Shotscope consistently (at the same course etc). Let their team know by emailing them that their GPS is not linked with the on course results and they will fix it. It’s most likely a mapping issue and they just have to fix that. I’ve had a shotscope since V2 and used my X5 last night on my League track. Spot on with the GPS on the cart.
I got Arccos back in 2019 when they were offering the lifetime subscription. If I had to pay the current subscription price I think I still would - it's that good.
@@christianemden7637 Do you walk or cart? I noticed I get more miss reads when walking. But most of the time if you go into the app after your round you will see different clubs around the spot you shot and you can just click the correct one. The other thing is the link is a game changer I have the old one and that made it way more accurate.
@@christianemden7637 for what it’s worth, I’ve had that issue a few times. Maybe 2-3 times over the 5 years I have had them. I would just unpair and then pair the sensor and never had an issue again with it. Have had to replace two sensors in the 5 years I’ve had them.
Great review, I was using Arccos for the last 3 years (quit the subscription this spring) and if I can add my comments. PROS : the data you get is awesome, the app is truly excellent. CONS : >> I don't play more than twice a month and the cost is hefty for the nice-looking stats, I don't like the subscription model when the sensors are already pricey, >> the sensors die quite regularly (Arccos kindly send some replacements but not always so you have to buy more), >> having the phone in your pocket is a pain and the link options are again expensive. Like in the review, I use Garmin watches - currently use Venu 2 for golf, swimming, running and any other sport I may want to try - to track my health. I have an apple watch as well that I rarely wear as I find the Garmin more versatile. Struggling at the moment to justify buying the Garmin sensors so will probably continue manually adding the stats in the very poor Garmin golf app. Shame that Garmin cannot up their Golf App game.
I’ve tried Arccos, Shotscope V3, Shotscope Connex, and a Garmin (no sensors). I’m the end I use the Tangent Golf app and an Apple Watch. No sensors. Works well with frequent updates, etc.
Interesting as always and great to get a comparison of these three systems as I keep going round in circles on which to go with ( use a Garmin watch but just bought MLM2Pro rather than R10 so suspect I'll end up with a really mixed set of tech ). The attention to detail including links to other vids and comprehensive nature of reviews ( including breaking news ) makes your content stand out from so many of the other channels - you really do deserve more subs and views.
I just came across your channel and have watched some your golf product reviews. Absolutely love them! You are extremely thorough and explain things in a very understandable manner. Keep it up.
Thanks for updating your other video with this one. I just ordered the shot scope version that doesn’t need a watch (H4). I hate wearing a watch when I swing and I definitely didn’t want a subscription based product. Your review helped me choose and I used your discount code. Much appreciated. 👍👍
I have all three. Shotscope was the first system I purchased. I like that it doesn't require a subscription, it records the putts, you can view and update data on a computer (as opposed to in the app on your phone), and you can reassign tags to different clubs and it keeps the data club-specific. The hardware is relatively inexpensive. The tags are low profile. And you can pull several clubs from your bag and it doesn't have a problem knowing which club you used. I got the Arrcos because it has cleaner data analytics. Plus, with Shotscope, I was resorting to wearing my smart watch on my right arm so I could stay connected to my phone and continue recording health data. It doesn't track putts as well as Shotscope. You can reassign tags but the data is linked to the tag instead of the club. I use the link, which is cool. However I did accidentally turn it off trying to locate a pin and didn't notice until the end of the round. So I lost the data from that round. The pin location button is small and is right next to the power button. I push the button without taking it out of my pocket and it's not easy to feel the button through layers of pants and pocket. The Garmin watch has better GPS. It tracks all my health data and keeps me connected to my phone. I don't have the tags and it doesn't record putts. You also can't add strokes to the end of your approach, so short chips onto the green don't get recorded either. All that being said, I am using Arrcos with the link and Garmin when I play.
I don't understand, you pretty much say shot scope is better in every way apart from data presentation and having to wear 2 watches. Is that little 2 reasons why you use accros?
Thanks for posting. This was very helpful. I currently have the Garmin s62. It works great but leaves a lot to be desired in the stats realm. It's most useful feature for me is pinpointing custom spots on the green for yardages. I am looking for a better stat tracking device though. Is the S70 any better?
@IIISWILIII I have no experience with the S70. I think that it is limited by the Garmin environment, though. You just don't get the data analytics that Shotscope or Arccos provide.
@OllieMartinGamer kinda, yeah. There are times when the Shotscope takes a really long time to lock onto the GPS signal, and I'll be a couple holes into a round before it starts tracking. I really like just having the one watch, too. Plus, the Shotscope battery isn't up to multiple long rounds. I've also invested a lot of money into Arrcos, so I want to use it. I may not renew the subscription and go back to using the Shotscope, however.
Personally use Golfshot. It has everything that the others have with no subscription or sensors. It tracks your wrist and listens for impact to recognise shots. None of the other watches seem to recognise my course properly as its a 10 hole course with multiple tee locations. Even when I specify hole 1, they think i'm playing hole 10 again.
awesome review! I've been DEEP down the rabbit hole on this whole dilemma - btw Arccos, Garmin and ShotScope. Been really, really challenged to find the optimal option given all the factors (price, compatibility, product, etc etc). Read a bunch of your posts as well. Love it! keep it coming!
I am fully on Arccos now, but I was a big fan of Game Golf over Shot Scope. I saw that Game Golf now has a sensor so you don't have to tag before every shot. I think they should get a mention on this list for sure.
Nice video! After watching, I feel even better about my decision to just stick with Garmin. I use my Fenix 7 for so much more than just golf- it rarely leaves my wrist. I use it for mountain biking and hiking as well. As for golf, I don't have the sensors. I feel the watch does very good with tracking swings, and I don't really care about putt distances. If I hit a long putt I will walk it off to get a guesstimate on the distance. I am one of those people that works very hard to reduce subscriptions, so I appreciate that Garmin gives that to me.
You can also set the pin on the Shot Scope. You missed that feature. They also have a H4 that uses a pocket or placed on a belt data interface, so no need to wear something on your wrist and it is only $149 with all the club sensors.
Yeah, will update in future content that Shot Scope does have that feature on X5 and V5. That said, I'm not a fan of the H4. Having to tap your belt every time is a nightmare.
@@breakingeighty So you "missed" feature and options and claimed one is a nightmare and downplayed that the Arccos yearly sub is more that the H4 with no sub. Your objectivity is in the toilet. Did i overstate that? Perhaps par with nightmare? LOL.
I think you will have to add Golf Shot in your review! Stats ✅ Distance ✅ Swing ID ✅ I know you have to choose the club but more than 9/10 the app chose the right club.
Am I just to old school as I use my ph and I love the Grint for on course score, yardages and I do get info on shots. What I don't use is the shot for shot tracker. I tried Arccos for about 6 months and just could not get used to the interface for shot info/tracking. Very different products I know, but being technically challenged Grint is simple for me. With Arccos I felt like I was always fidgeting with it and couldn't stay focused on my game and found I wasn't enjoying my rounds. A shot Scope might be in the future as I am not fan of subscriptions. Great info as I just found your channel. I'll be bumping around and checking it out.
Great review. I used to have the Shot Scope V2 but it was like wearing a house brick on my wrist. For the last few years I have had the Garmin S62. It is a premium watch, the GPS numbers are usually spot on and I love the Virtual Caddie feature. I also have the 3 x CT10 tags which you have to pay extra for. However, Garmin's customer service and development of the game analysis on the Golf app and online is deplorable. And it's putting set-up is useless. But as I say, the watch is fantastic. I recently acquired a Shot Scope X5 from a friend and I understand why he was keen to offload it. It is very buggy, laggy and the touchscreen is quite poor, especially in wet conditions. He and his regular crew have gone to Arcoss but I am not interested in yet another subscription. Fortunately, Shot Scope have come to the party and are giving me a store credit for the dodgy X5 so I will get myself a V5 and enjoy it telling me that my driving off the tee is currently at the level of a toddler.
I use the Garmin S70 and have the three pack of sensors. Sensors went on my three wedges as the watch has a harder time picking up less than full swings. Otherwise it recognizes every other club, and prompts me to enter which club I hit. Takes less than a second every shot. I too wish Garmin had better SG data and more insights. I’d even pay a subscription for it! I also wish they made a sensor for putters that fit putter grips better. The white CT10 looks so goofy on a big over size putter grip. One feature of the Garmin shot tracking you neglected to mention in this video is that it uses your actual distances to inform AI caddy for help in club selection. I’ve actually found that AI caddy helps me “club up” in times when I’m perhaps a little more bullish about my distances than I should be.
I use a Coros watch for fitness, and it has no golf function, so I needed something else specifically for golf. Arccos didn't make sense as I have nothing to pair it with, and I have a dislike for subscriptions. Garmin, similarly, made no sense, given my Coros watch, so I bought a Shotcope V3. ShotScope has excellent customer service, and a solid product, so I never looked back. The V3 did miss a fairly high number of shots, requiring some editing, which was a minor inconvenience. When the X5 came out, I moved to that, and it misses a lot less shots, and it adds score-keeping and some other advanced features, however, the touch screen was not ready for prime time. It eats battery, it doesn't work in the rain, and it takes input if you bump it, plus you have to unlock it whenever you want to do anything. Now I am switching to the V5, which should arrive soon. I love ShotScope data, and I think the V5 will be the watch I like best in the end. It will have a long battery life like the V3, accuracy like the X5, and will avoid the touch screen issues of the X5. For $250 with no subscription, it's going to be a winner.
Just FYI - Arccos also has an app for Android watches. It is not fully integrated, but it will give you your distances to the green. I use it on my Galaxy watch just for the distance to the green - front, middle and back. If I need to see a picture of the hole to see distance to a hazard or the shape of the hole, I pull out my phone. I do love the shot tracking of Arccos. I used to use the golf pad sensors, but remembering to touch the sensor to my phone before every shot was a hassle.
Asked the wife for the S62 with starter 3 C10s for Father's Day. Just makes sense for me. I want fitness tracking, health monitoring, and be better at golf. Plus I already have other tech in that ecosystem. Just kinda makes sense
LOVE the Arccos system especially the Link Pro - on course I don’t even think about the tech and just play. I do use the phone for yardages but it works amazingly well and the data helps me think about practice between rounds. Great review!
Setting Pin positions with Shotscope. With ShotScope you can also set pin positions (look for putting settings). I click on a button every time I maken a put and finally I click where the pin is. This is all done on the green. This gives very good stats. how is your putting 0-1 meter, 1-3 meters etc.
Still using my Skycaddie LX5 … not worth upgrading and I can track my shots with 1 click on the watch and select the club. And the display of the course on the watch is awesome.
For Shot Scope you can set the pin position. I don't believe it is shared across users like Arccos but each green my watch has an input for number of putts and when you select that it marks the pin position.
I would love to see you do two other reviews. 1, the golf apps that pair with apple watch like Golfshot Pro, Tangent, the pad one. Another great review would be all the other golf apps out there that have different features. For example, the Stack Putting app, Tangent, Golfshots Range feature as well as its Hackmotion esque swing ID feature. There are so many golf apps it would be great if you could cut through the junk and show us where the value is. Thanks Sean love your videos
Nice review - thanks! Here's a question i never see talked about - I'm a guy who's always had poor vision - I need reading glasses for anything under size 72 font (alright, not really 72, by you get my point!). Consequently, most GPS watches have too small fonts for me to see w/o reading glasses. No one wants to constantly put on/ take off reading glasses while playing - it's slow and my eyes have to constantly re-adjust to distance. I am not technically challenged at all, but want simplicity in my golf playing, and i already have too much crap in my pockets and don't want my iphone in my pants. Sounds like Arccos with its new link thing is the way to go! PS. I would consider a watch with larger or adjustable font, but then my Mr. Magoo (showing my age) eyes wouldn't see much data due to the large font on a 1" screen! And yes, i don't care for a subscription model, so I may also consider the Shot Scope product just because of that. But maybe do Arccos for a year or so, then dump it? bottom line is this question: what application works best for us Mr. Magoo's with poor eyesight? looking forward to answers and comments! thank you!
What Garmin needs to do is integrate the trackers with their launch monitor. Get the monitor, add the trackers to your clubs and it just knows what distances you hit on average for each club without messing around.
I've had Shot Scope for a number of years now. The software is cumbersome because after your round you have to sync the watch to your phone to upload the round. After the upload you have to go through each hole and verify each. In some cases shots are missed so there are gaps at times. I eventually stopped using it for data tracking and just use the GPS aspect of the watch.
You have to check through rounds regardless of which system you track with. I find with Shotscope it misses a couple of shots a round, but that's it. I use the V3.
I have been using Arccos for years and the data is awesome. I still do struggle with the putting though. Need to figure that out. I also really really wish I could zoom in closer to edit the shot... having it not be able to zoom in to move shots around especially by the green is a PITA.
I have an Apple Watch and a Garmin S70. I have been wanting a tracking system, but the main goal would be only for club selection recommendations (ie the club to use based on average distance.) I like that on the Garmin golf watch I can see the entire hole and my understanding is with the Arccos on the Apple Watch that is not the case. If these are my main concerns, would you recommend me sticking with the S 70 or giving Arccos a try
Just got a new driver. W/ my ping, Arccos provided option to get sensors free, link @ 50% off and a couple months to test before subscription confirmed. Looking forward to it. And get to just leave my Garmin watch on. Hell of a deal w/ the Memorial Day sale.
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Great awareness review. there is definitely more in depth analysis needed on how well it functions on the course (individual videos have been great though) so people reading this should check those out to see them in action. For me, actually using them was far more important than the looks/data. IF you have the apple watch, get the arcos. Many of my friends do this and love it. I am not apple user so Shotscope v4 is best for me. you can do pin location on manual putting mode (not specified in this video very well). I've tried the Garmin system because I have the R10 and wanted to sync up and found it wasn't worth the cost and the benefits really werent there unless you are an absolute data nut. My only complaint about shotscope is that the tags sometimes dont ready quickly enough with the proximity sensor on the watch or If i use the same club twice in a row, it misses the second shot. I have found ways to minimize those errors but definitely not perfect.
Sean, a couple of things about the ARCCOS system that were not mentioned. You CAN use the ARCCOS with an Android watch, it is not as polished as the Apple and it causes a bit of watch battery drain but if you use the Link and range finder but are not able to see the pin the watch will show you distances without your phone. The other thing that has been a godsend with ARCCOS is their customer service, they are responsive, professional and overall AMAZING! I can't speak to the other systems service but ARCCOS as a customer service entity is one that all business should emulate.
Awesome, thanks for sharing your thoughts! And I realized I glossed over the Android side of things. I dont have any experience using it with Android, so Apple is always my default frame of reference - realize I need to do better about that. And in my upcoming Link Pro review, I mention Android as well. Thanks!
Garmin doesn't track chips and pitch shots using the watch. Which if you're trying to accurately track club distances and SG, basically forced to get CT sensors.
So I’m in the same boat as you. Have the Garmin Mk3i (basically an Epix Pro 2 with scuba capabilities) and love the on-course golf experience using the watch, but the Garmin Golf app is so outdated. I’m thinking of making the same switch as you, do you input your club selection into the watch to better inform the virtual caddie feature or do you just ignore it? I don’t currently even think about it with my Garmin sensors but I’m trying to figure out the “workflow” if I switch to Arccos and keep using my Garmin watch.
Ha, I actually have been inputting my club info, but only because I keep forgetting to turn off the feature. I really only use it for actual yardages, as because I'm not dilligent enough with it, the caddie feature isn;t super helpful. But if you are, and especially if you have a full set of CT10s it can provide some useful feedback.
Thank you for a good review. But I might have a stupid question. I have invested in the garmin s70, and planned to buy the CT10 sensors. But I just bought a new set of Cobra club sets. And through that got a set of Arccos sensors. So my question is. Can I mount the Arccos sensors on my clubs and then later switch to the CT10? Or will the ends of the grips be too damaged to hold them?
Not a stupid question at all! If your clubs came with the sensors (not the built in Arccos grips), then you'll have no problem switching them out when/if you decide to get CT10 sensors. If they came with the Arccos Smart Grips, then there's no hole at the butt of the clubs, so you won't be able to use the CT10s with those.
@@breakingeighty thx a lot. The sensors where sent free of charge after purchase of clubs. (I paid for postage) So will try them on, in the free trial period. But will probably switch to CT10, so I can have all info in my Watch. Thx again for the answer, and for your great contents on this channel.
Your video helped to clarify some of my recent thinking. I recently switched from Arccos with the Apple watch and new Link Pro to a Garmin Approach S70 with the CT10 sensors because my Apple watch was being a bit flaky and I really wanted the hole layout to display on my watch. I've found that the Garmin data wasn't as complete as the Arccos data. So, I've been wondering if it would be possible to use the Garmin S70 to show me the hole layout, etc. while using the Arccos sensors with the Link Pro and my iPhone for shot tracking. I'm definitely going to give it a try. Thanks for the video!
I got out of Arccos when all but 3 of my sensors stopped working and they wanted 20$ a sensor plus 220$ for the year. I’m in Minnesota so a monthly or 6 month option would have kept me around but having to pay 500$ to use something that I had to go in and adjust constantly didn’t have me convinced.
I struggled with arccos I found having the link in my pocket and taking my phone out at the end of a round to check the round and shots missed as abit of a faff, I think having it on your wrist is alot better
Hi Sean @breakingeighty. Love your stuff mate. Very polished. I’m sooo close to switching from Garmin to arrcos, mainly due to the app being so poor on Garmin in terms of data with very little customer support around any improvements. That said I love my Garmin S70 on course for keeping score with the ct10 sensors and for yardage/hazzards etc. could you explain a little more on how you play with the hybrid arrangement? Cheers! James
Totally. So for me, I use Arccos on my phone. Now I have the Link Pro, so I mostly just keep my phone in my bag, let the Link Pro capture everything, and then every few holes I'll check the app just to make sure it's travking properly, or perhaps add a penalty stroke, which you still do manually. I also start a golf round on my Garmin watch, and then just use that for all my distances. It will track shot data from the watch, but reviewing it on the Garmin app is so disappointing, I dont do much with it. Mostly just use the watch for distances. So Garmin and Arccos aren't actually interfacing at all in my setup.
Perfect. Thanks! I guess you keep score on your Garmin and then just match it up post round? Feels awkward I agree, I just can’t understand garmin not developing there app more to come in line with arccos and shotscope. The hardware is there and it’s good! Just frustrating on the software! Top stuff anyway. Thanks for the reply.
I went from S60 to arccos for the same reason and I wish I stayed with Garmin. Yes the app and data are better but after 3 years I can tell I don't really watch them anymore. Arccos will tell you you are good with short game, need to improve your putting and all but after all you already know all that. Now I only use it as my scorecard and sometimes I go see how far I bombed that drive lol
I agree with you and respect your opinion about all three as i had all of them at some point. You should clarify which would you choose if you personally had to pay for these products. It would sway my decision one way if lets say i dont have to pay for arccos subscription you know?
For me personally, I'd choose Arccos hands down. I'm happy to pay the $155 a year for a product that I think is quite a bit better than the others. Caveat being, I still love my Garmin watch. So if I had that and didn't want to pay for an additional product, it certainly can get the job done.
@@breakingeighty yeah i cant argue with that. Im a shotscope user now and i miss the data and app architecture of arccos. But where their software is superior their hardware lags behind. There’s no reason they should be using fragile battery powered sensors that also lengthen and change the swingweight of a club. If they used shotscope NFC type sensors it will be game over
So when I did research to decide between arccos and shot scope, i learned that the arccos sensors can die and they do not have a chargeable/replaceable battery. so once they die, you have to get new ones? The shot scope ones don't need batteries bc it uses the same technology used with apple pay so you just scan it to your phone and your phone does the work. I chose to spend the $100 on shot scope and not the $200 for arccos, however much for the subscription and a potential extra $200 once they die.
I have had the sensors for 18 months and have had no issues. Also I was offered 5 sensors for free when I resubscribed my membership. Their customer service is very good and arccos system is worth it overall.
I think you hit a lot of the main points on the head here. The stats display and information is a bit more elegant on the Arccos. One thing not mentioned in your video is the sensors are quite larger than the Shot Scope. I wish they could reduce the size. Also would be nice to see them come up with their own watch for use with the product. I think the Apple Watch would be the most seamless and less intrusive integration but it's an extra cost if you didn't already have the watch. You can see it in the video but you can move the pin location in the Shot Scope and the V5 in my opinion is a much superior product to the X5 watch (I have both). The X5 I was bumping the watch and being a touchscreen was very frustrating and I found the touchscreen to be difficult to operate. The V5 is so much better. I assume they still work but I think I still have a set of Arccoss sensors that included the subscription for the life of the product. Maybe one day I''ll bust those out (I've always hesistated because the Link and phone was always a non-starter for me)
I do the exact same thing, Garmin for everything in life and in round data and scoring then Arccos for my stats. Really wish Garmin had good SG data but alas they they don't.
Used Arccos, however, for the limited amount of rounds I got in...paying for stats wasn't for me especially when it seemed I was always fixing a handful of shots per round. I know no software like this is perfect but if I am going to pay annually for something, I feel it should be closer to perfect. May try out Shot Scope this year.
Arccos really is the gold standard, I find that when I walk off the golf course the things i think i need to work on is often times different than what Arccos tells me. This is because I am probably fixating on the last few holes rather than the whole round or last few rounds.
I am looking forward to buy system like this for my father, so far he only used garmin radar for golfing on his backyard which system do you recommend me to buy for him?
I had Arccos (without Arccos link) last summer but short game tracking wasn't good. Needed to edit shots manually from almost every hole. A lot more than 50% of holes anyways. Didn't track short chips too often and putt tracking was totally useless. Couldn't even track amount of putts so nothing to talk about putt lenghts etc. Also not a fan of subscription especially because we have 5-6 months season here in Finland. I bought Garmin S70 and I'll try CT10's paired to watch. Don't know what to expect if Arccos is "most accurate". Also can't add a sensor to my putter since it has Arccos sensor built-in grip. Lets see how it goes.
Good overview. Would be nice to see the "refined" aspects of the arccos vs shot scope. You have hundreds of rounds using these devices so would assume you have some video footage to help illustrate what you are talking about. These are the two I would choose between, but not having an iwatch or any apple products, I would be leaning towards shot scope I guess. Garmin not having good UI is just odd. They have been doing GPS for as long as just about anyone in the industry. You would think they might have stumbled upon the best UI by now.
Just to further explain the technology. What all these sensors do is when they sense an impact (you hitting the golf ball) they send a message ("6 iron was used") to whatever is listening (phone, watch, etc.) which tracks the club and the GPS position it was used at. It then plays connect the dots to figure out the distances. So driving range, lost balls, drops, etc. would not be tracked as they only know where the ball landed because of the next shot.
I have an S70 with a full set of CT10s. I am about to get an Apple ultra2. In your opinion, should I get the Arcos trackers to pair with the Ultra or just roll with the Garmin system?
great reviews of all….I used Arccos or about a decade or so…great product and truly probably the best, as you said…but, I had two issues with it…1. The subscription (which it didn’t have on the first gen when I got it)…AND 2. The sensors are annnnnnnoying!! Too bulky and my hand always seems to find them and treat them as part of the shaft of the club, making me have to keep regripping the club to avoid doing it…this has gone on for a decade and I can’t stop doing it…I switched this season to the shot scope and have only used the clubs on the range with the sensors in the clubs…1,000000 x better. We’ll see how the data and analysis part works when I start playing this season…
Well…in a few short words, I’m back to using Arccos…it’s just a better product in every way except the sensor sizes…I’m left handed but golf righty…the watch on my left hand just drove me nuts and with my 55 year old eyes, the screen and controls are just not very intuitive…kept getting caught on a menu and couldn’t figure out how to get back to the Home Screen….plus, the watch just feels cheap…the strap is annoying, and the clasp is bass-akwards as my dad would say…I will say I’ve used Arccos so long that it’s just second nature to me, so I’m sure there is a bit of can’t teach an old dog new tricks…but, if anyone is looking for a barely used Shot Scope X5, let me know!!
I have same settup. I'm using Garmin S62 and Linkpro, but not tracking my fitness so much so I was thinking to switch my watch to Galaxy watch 6 if arccos support it. Arccos say that they supöort galaxy 4 and 5 but does anyone know if it works on galaxy watch 6 too?
I've had Arccos since 2020 and there have been so many improvement to the app, the tracking, and the metrics that I willingly pay the $150 per year fee. However I also have a Garmin Fenix 7x SS watch that I got 2 years ago and I wear for everything. So I do the same as you, I will have both running while I am golfing at the same time, and as much as I'd like to drop Arccos to have a full Garmin system, the Garmin app, metrics, and updates are just horrible in comparison. It is lacking so much and I have no confidence in Garmin that they will improve it any time soon.
Can you assist me with the putting, When i walk to the flag i set pin, i then putt and it doesnt pick it up, so i add 2 putts for example. When i review post round the putts are where i added +2 not the shot, have you experienced this?
Will Arccos just track club distances if that’s all you want? When I play a practice round, I like to play a few balls and it would be really nice if it was tracking the club distances without thinking I just shot a 14 in that hole. lol
The sensors simply record what club you used, and where you were when you swung it. The only way it knows where the ball went is because you proceed to that location and swing again.
The arccos problem is strokes gained and everything it tracks takes time to average out for your game. It doesn’t bring an immediate value. At least with shot scope you get the watch and get those benefits right away. So you’re subscribing for a phone app that isn’t providing useful data until you get 5 to 10 rounds into it. Which for some of us is all we get to play each year.
This is the review I was waiting for! I have a Voice Caddie TL1 and switched from Apple to the Garmin watch because of your reviews and couldn't be happier. Debating between the 3 pack and full set of CT10 sensors. I've heard it's not uncommon for these to fail which is why I hesitate going for the full set. Have you experienced CT10s not working after a certain period of time or any other durability issues?
@@michaelhoak appreciate the reply! I think I will go for them. One last question, have you had issues with taking multiple clubs like wedges and a putter out of the bag at the same time and it registering additional shots? if so do you have any tips to minimize the added shots?
@@EDossantoun I have not had issues. And I often take 2 different clubs to a par 3 tee box or out to the fairway on a cart path only day. It seems to know which club you actually swing.
Enjoyed your video. I have both the Arccos and Shot Scope H4. And I have the Arccos Link. I agree with you both are great products depending upon your needs. I love my H4 and the adjoining shot scope range finder. And shot scope tracks all my data and they do it for FREE which I truly love however their layout is very cartoonish and their is no place to record my launch monitor data like you can on Arccos also you link Arccos to Clippd to keep track of all your practice sessions. Now I also love Arccos as you can tell their website layout and data is top notch and again you can link it with Clippd to track your practice sessions. And the Apple Watch or the link makes it even better But I HATE SUBSCRIPTIONS that is my only down side to Arccos but. Also understand why. I the end I find that I am using the Arccos system far more than Shot Scope. Hope this also helps
I dont konw if someone knows the answer to this but i take a chance. I'm really interested by the shotscope products but still dont know if i try it with the watch or with connex and my phone. Does anyone knows if the gps accuracy is better on the X5 or on a phone or is it the same?
I had the Arccos system and hated it. It was inaccurate alot of the time. I always had to go back and input shots. It took alot of enjoyment out of the game. Not only was I thinking about shot selection, I was worried about if the thing tracked correctly. I ultimately just gave it away to a buddy.
The argument for the link and no phone falls short when it comes to penalties and putts - as you still need to go back to your phone to add the penatly if you loose a ball OB and then again to check it added the puts correctly. Specially if playing with friends and you end up having some gimmie putts. It wont count those, then all of a sudden arccos thinks you're 1 putting and playing out of your mind. Also a side note that arccos does not work for night golf or even low light as the sensors need sunlight to be active.
I tried Arccos and it was genuinely terrible. For an expensive purchase and subscription. It missed so many shots and in the end unusable. I stopped using it because it was so useless at capturing shots.
I'd love to use Arccos, but the cost is just a bit much in my opinion. Seeing Shot Scope do it for so much less makes me think Arccos is just charging so much more because of their name, not so much about all the backend stuff. I use the Shot Scope H4, but now that the V5 is out I may switch to that since I wouldn't have to tag my clubs manually. Just wish Shot Scope would connect via Galaxy Watches so I wouldn't have to swap them to play golf. Granted no one works with Galaxy Watches at this point. Ugh.
@@jayzechab Arccos definitely makes a sound, they have a support page on their website for this specific thing. Most of my friends over 30 can't hear it but it drives me insane
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I agree with your assessment that Arccos is the superior system overall, particularly in terms of data display. However, after transitioning to Shot Scope, I discovered that while their data presentation might not be as polished as Arccos, it still provides the necessary information. Considering Shot Scope's customer service and responsiveness, I struggle to rationalize paying a subscription fee solely for aesthetic data representation. Since switching to Shot Scope a year ago, I've been highly satisfied with their ecosystem. Moreover, I've found Shot Scope's accessories to be very affordably priced, particularly when purchasing additional tags for clubs.
Didn't get Arccos because of the subscription and frankly, I don't need advice, distances or anything else from this tech on the course. I have a laser gun and two feet to pace things off as needed so only having the H4 device is fine. Last year was my first with Shot Scope and I've incorporated it into my ritual before each shot (I still forget but that is what the web interface is for). I like it, it is great data and their customer service has been exceptional and responsive.
I went down the Arcos rabbit hole. Tried it for one year and didn’t much care for it. It took me two more years to get them to cancel my subscription. The company is nothing but a scam.
Thanks for this, the original video was informative but didn’t really hammer home if shot scope is good or not!
@@JeffMiller-n1o I cancelled my subscription with Arcoss too, I liked the app but the sensors are easy to lose, and overall it's expensive. I've bought a garmin watch now, see how that goes
Finally a review on golf systems that isn’t a year or three old. Thank You!
I’m an Arccos user and was an early adopter. Paring with Apple Watch has always been the killer setup, and I don’t mind having my phone in a pocket mid-game but I despise having to have it in front pocket. Watch based shot listening on any non Ultra watch is a battery no-fly zone. Since upgrading to Watch Ultra, the Arccos system is flawless. Phone in hip pocket as scorecard and reference with watch doing the heavy lifting, quick reference and pin locations. Arccos plus Apple Watch Ultra is where it’s at.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shot Scope also records the pin position when you press the button for "Pin Collect".
Yes, they do. You press the Pin Collect over the hole, and that’s it. However, one thing missing in this review is GPS accuracy. Usually, it’s a few yards either way. It’s not a big deal on drivers or approaches, but once you are on the green, that is a different issue. I have had Arccos, and I now have Shot Scope, and putting data on both systems requires data adjustments.
@@nupezb Good point on the GPS. I have the X5 for a couple of months now and I suspected these deviations.. It's a good thing I review the round on the web dashboard the same day I play, because putts do indeed need adjustments. Even the pin collect isn't perfect, there's always a couple of holes where I'm going 'hey that wasn't where the pin really was'
If your GPS is a little off on the Shotscope consistently (at the same course etc). Let their team know by emailing them that their GPS is not linked with the on course results and they will fix it. It’s most likely a mapping issue and they just have to fix that. I’ve had a shotscope since V2 and used my X5 last night on my League track. Spot on with the GPS on the cart.
I got Arccos back in 2019 when they were offering the lifetime subscription. If I had to pay the current subscription price I think I still would - it's that good.
Agreed!
I just canceled my subscription because it didn’t work properly, registering shots on clubs I hadn’t even touched.
@@christianemden7637 Do you walk or cart? I noticed I get more miss reads when walking. But most of the time if you go into the app after your round you will see different clubs around the spot you shot and you can just click the correct one. The other thing is the link is a game changer I have the old one and that made it way more accurate.
@@christianemden7637 for what it’s worth, I’ve had that issue a few times. Maybe 2-3 times over the 5 years I have had them. I would just unpair and then pair the sensor and never had an issue again with it.
Have had to replace two sensors in the 5 years I’ve had them.
I cancelled my Arccos subscription even though I have paid until September, missing shots on every single hole. Apple Watch, phone in front pocket.
Great review, I was using Arccos for the last 3 years (quit the subscription this spring) and if I can add my comments. PROS : the data you get is awesome, the app is truly excellent. CONS : >> I don't play more than twice a month and the cost is hefty for the nice-looking stats, I don't like the subscription model when the sensors are already pricey, >> the sensors die quite regularly (Arccos kindly send some replacements but not always so you have to buy more), >> having the phone in your pocket is a pain and the link options are again expensive. Like in the review, I use Garmin watches - currently use Venu 2 for golf, swimming, running and any other sport I may want to try - to track my health. I have an apple watch as well that I rarely wear as I find the Garmin more versatile. Struggling at the moment to justify buying the Garmin sensors so will probably continue manually adding the stats in the very poor Garmin golf app. Shame that Garmin cannot up their Golf App game.
I’ve tried Arccos, Shotscope V3, Shotscope Connex, and a Garmin (no sensors). I’m the end I use the Tangent Golf app and an Apple Watch. No sensors. Works well with frequent updates, etc.
I really hope your channel gets more traffic. Love your reviews
Appreciate it!
He is one of the most honest no BS guys on youtube. If he makes a mistake, he creates another video explaining that mistake or mis-review.
Interesting as always and great to get a comparison of these three systems as I keep going round in circles on which to go with ( use a Garmin watch but just bought MLM2Pro rather than R10 so suspect I'll end up with a really mixed set of tech ). The attention to detail including links to other vids and comprehensive nature of reviews ( including breaking news ) makes your content stand out from so many of the other channels - you really do deserve more subs and views.
I just came across your channel and have watched some your golf product reviews. Absolutely love them! You are extremely thorough and explain things in a very understandable manner. Keep it up.
Thank you! Much appreciated!
Thanks for updating your other video with this one. I just ordered the shot scope version that doesn’t need a watch (H4). I hate wearing a watch when I swing and I definitely didn’t want a subscription based product. Your review helped me choose and I used your discount code. Much appreciated. 👍👍
I have all three. Shotscope was the first system I purchased. I like that it doesn't require a subscription, it records the putts, you can view and update data on a computer (as opposed to in the app on your phone), and you can reassign tags to different clubs and it keeps the data club-specific. The hardware is relatively inexpensive. The tags are low profile. And you can pull several clubs from your bag and it doesn't have a problem knowing which club you used. I got the Arrcos because it has cleaner data analytics. Plus, with Shotscope, I was resorting to wearing my smart watch on my right arm so I could stay connected to my phone and continue recording health data. It doesn't track putts as well as Shotscope. You can reassign tags but the data is linked to the tag instead of the club. I use the link, which is cool. However I did accidentally turn it off trying to locate a pin and didn't notice until the end of the round. So I lost the data from that round. The pin location button is small and is right next to the power button. I push the button without taking it out of my pocket and it's not easy to feel the button through layers of pants and pocket. The Garmin watch has better GPS. It tracks all my health data and keeps me connected to my phone. I don't have the tags and it doesn't record putts. You also can't add strokes to the end of your approach, so short chips onto the green don't get recorded either. All that being said, I am using Arrcos with the link and Garmin when I play.
Awesome assessment! Really appreciate the insight
I don't understand, you pretty much say shot scope is better in every way apart from data presentation and having to wear 2 watches. Is that little 2 reasons why you use accros?
Thanks for posting. This was very helpful. I currently have the Garmin s62. It works great but leaves a lot to be desired in the stats realm. It's most useful feature for me is pinpointing custom spots on the green for yardages. I am looking for a better stat tracking device though. Is the S70 any better?
@IIISWILIII I have no experience with the S70. I think that it is limited by the Garmin environment, though. You just don't get the data analytics that Shotscope or Arccos provide.
@OllieMartinGamer kinda, yeah. There are times when the Shotscope takes a really long time to lock onto the GPS signal, and I'll be a couple holes into a round before it starts tracking. I really like just having the one watch, too. Plus, the Shotscope battery isn't up to multiple long rounds. I've also invested a lot of money into Arrcos, so I want to use it. I may not renew the subscription and go back to using the Shotscope, however.
Personally use Golfshot. It has everything that the others have with no subscription or sensors. It tracks your wrist and listens for impact to recognise shots. None of the other watches seem to recognise my course properly as its a 10 hole course with multiple tee locations. Even when I specify hole 1, they think i'm playing hole 10 again.
awesome review! I've been DEEP down the rabbit hole on this whole dilemma - btw Arccos, Garmin and ShotScope. Been really, really challenged to find the optimal option given all the factors (price, compatibility, product, etc etc). Read a bunch of your posts as well. Love it! keep it coming!
I am quite happy just using my Garmin s70 watch cheers everyone
Its a fantastic product.
I am fully on Arccos now, but I was a big fan of Game Golf over Shot Scope. I saw that Game Golf now has a sensor so you don't have to tag before every shot. I think they should get a mention on this list for sure.
I'm a Samsung user and I use shot scope paired with Golf pad. works great for me to have both with out having to but the Shot scope watch .
I didn't realise the tags work with golf pad... do you know if it works with 18 birdies? Thats my favourite app
@@Jack-xy4fy I don't know sorry just started getting a little more into golf last year. so still learning a lot.
Nice video! After watching, I feel even better about my decision to just stick with Garmin. I use my Fenix 7 for so much more than just golf- it rarely leaves my wrist. I use it for mountain biking and hiking as well. As for golf, I don't have the sensors. I feel the watch does very good with tracking swings, and I don't really care about putt distances. If I hit a long putt I will walk it off to get a guesstimate on the distance. I am one of those people that works very hard to reduce subscriptions, so I appreciate that Garmin gives that to me.
You can also set the pin on the Shot Scope. You missed that feature. They also have a H4 that uses a pocket or placed on a belt data interface, so no need to wear something on your wrist and it is only $149 with all the club sensors.
Yeah, will update in future content that Shot Scope does have that feature on X5 and V5. That said, I'm not a fan of the H4. Having to tap your belt every time is a nightmare.
@@breakingeighty So you "missed" feature and options and claimed one is a nightmare and downplayed that the Arccos yearly sub is more that the H4 with no sub. Your objectivity is in the toilet. Did i overstate that? Perhaps par with nightmare? LOL.
I think you will have to add Golf Shot in your review!
Stats ✅
Distance ✅
Swing ID ✅
I know you have to choose the club but more than 9/10 the app chose the right club.
Is this an app?
@@franzose1967 Yes with an annual subscription of $60. The tracking is not as automatic as Arccos or ShotScope.
Am I just to old school as I use my ph and I love the Grint for on course score, yardages and I do get info on shots. What I don't use is the shot for shot tracker. I tried Arccos for about 6 months and just could not get used to the interface for shot info/tracking. Very different products I know, but being technically challenged Grint is simple for me. With Arccos I felt like I was always fidgeting with it and couldn't stay focused on my game and found I wasn't enjoying my rounds. A shot Scope might be in the future as I am not fan of subscriptions. Great info as I just found your channel. I'll be bumping around and checking it out.
Great review. I used to have the Shot Scope V2 but it was like wearing a house brick on my wrist. For the last few years I have had the Garmin S62. It is a premium watch, the GPS numbers are usually spot on and I love the Virtual Caddie feature. I also have the 3 x CT10 tags which you have to pay extra for. However, Garmin's customer service and development of the game analysis on the Golf app and online is deplorable. And it's putting set-up is useless. But as I say, the watch is fantastic. I recently acquired a Shot Scope X5 from a friend and I understand why he was keen to offload it. It is very buggy, laggy and the touchscreen is quite poor, especially in wet conditions. He and his regular crew have gone to Arcoss but I am not interested in yet another subscription. Fortunately, Shot Scope have come to the party and are giving me a store credit for the dodgy X5 so I will get myself a V5 and enjoy it telling me that my driving off the tee is currently at the level of a toddler.
I use the Garmin S70 and have the three pack of sensors. Sensors went on my three wedges as the watch has a harder time picking up less than full swings. Otherwise it recognizes every other club, and prompts me to enter which club I hit. Takes less than a second every shot. I too wish Garmin had better SG data and more insights. I’d even pay a subscription for it! I also wish they made a sensor for putters that fit putter grips better. The white CT10 looks so goofy on a big over size putter grip. One feature of the Garmin shot tracking you neglected to mention in this video is that it uses your actual distances to inform AI caddy for help in club selection. I’ve actually found that AI caddy helps me “club up” in times when I’m perhaps a little more bullish about my distances than I should be.
I use a Coros watch for fitness, and it has no golf function, so I needed something else specifically for golf. Arccos didn't make sense as I have nothing to pair it with, and I have a dislike for subscriptions. Garmin, similarly, made no sense, given my Coros watch, so I bought a Shotcope V3. ShotScope has excellent customer service, and a solid product, so I never looked back.
The V3 did miss a fairly high number of shots, requiring some editing, which was a minor inconvenience. When the X5 came out, I moved to that, and it misses a lot less shots, and it adds score-keeping and some other advanced features, however, the touch screen was not ready for prime time. It eats battery, it doesn't work in the rain, and it takes input if you bump it, plus you have to unlock it whenever you want to do anything.
Now I am switching to the V5, which should arrive soon. I love ShotScope data, and I think the V5 will be the watch I like best in the end. It will have a long battery life like the V3, accuracy like the X5, and will avoid the touch screen issues of the X5. For $250 with no subscription, it's going to be a winner.
Just bought the ARCCOS. Appreciate the review!
Just FYI - Arccos also has an app for Android watches. It is not fully integrated, but it will give you your distances to the green. I use it on my Galaxy watch just for the distance to the green - front, middle and back. If I need to see a picture of the hole to see distance to a hazard or the shape of the hole, I pull out my phone. I do love the shot tracking of Arccos. I used to use the golf pad sensors, but remembering to touch the sensor to my phone before every shot was a hassle.
Asked the wife for the S62 with starter 3 C10s for Father's Day. Just makes sense for me. I want fitness tracking, health monitoring, and be better at golf. Plus I already have other tech in that ecosystem. Just kinda makes sense
Totally! I think you'll be really happy with it.
LOVE the Arccos system especially the Link Pro - on course I don’t even think about the tech and just play. I do use the phone for yardages but it works amazingly well and the data helps me think about practice between rounds. Great review!
Awesome to hear about your experience!
Omg pin position setting on garmin!? Amazing!
Setting Pin positions with Shotscope.
With ShotScope you can also set pin positions (look for putting settings). I click on a button every time I maken a put and finally I click where the pin is. This is all done on the green. This gives very good stats. how is your putting 0-1 meter, 1-3 meters etc.
This was a really good review. Helped me pick the shot scope and your affiliate discount code worked so win win. Thanks!
gotta love it when you get ready to drop a vid and a brand new product launches
It happens more frequently than I'd ever have expected ha. Although I should have known better since I saw it at the PGA Show in Jan.
Still using my Skycaddie LX5 … not worth upgrading and I can track my shots with 1 click on the watch and select the club. And the display of the course on the watch is awesome.
For Shot Scope you can set the pin position. I don't believe it is shared across users like Arccos but each green my watch has an input for number of putts and when you select that it marks the pin position.
I would love to see you do two other reviews. 1, the golf apps that pair with apple watch like Golfshot Pro, Tangent, the pad one. Another great review would be all the other golf apps out there that have different features. For example, the Stack Putting app, Tangent, Golfshots Range feature as well as its Hackmotion esque swing ID feature. There are so many golf apps it would be great if you could cut through the junk and show us where the value is. Thanks Sean love your videos
Nice review - thanks! Here's a question i never see talked about - I'm a guy who's always had poor vision - I need reading glasses for anything under size 72 font (alright, not really 72, by you get my point!). Consequently, most GPS watches have too small fonts for me to see w/o reading glasses. No one wants to constantly put on/ take off reading glasses while playing - it's slow and my eyes have to constantly re-adjust to distance. I am not technically challenged at all, but want simplicity in my golf playing, and i already have too much crap in my pockets and don't want my iphone in my pants. Sounds like Arccos with its new link thing is the way to go! PS. I would consider a watch with larger or adjustable font, but then my Mr. Magoo (showing my age) eyes wouldn't see much data due to the large font on a 1" screen! And yes, i don't care for a subscription model, so I may also consider the Shot Scope product just because of that. But maybe do Arccos for a year or so, then dump it? bottom line is this question: what application works best for us Mr. Magoo's with poor eyesight? looking forward to answers and comments! thank you!
What Garmin needs to do is integrate the trackers with their launch monitor. Get the monitor, add the trackers to your clubs and it just knows what distances you hit on average for each club without messing around.
I've had Shot Scope for a number of years now. The software is cumbersome because after your round you have to sync the watch to your phone to upload the round. After the upload you have to go through each hole and verify each. In some cases shots are missed so there are gaps at times. I eventually stopped using it for data tracking and just use the GPS aspect of the watch.
You have to check through rounds regardless of which system you track with. I find with Shotscope it misses a couple of shots a round, but that's it. I use the V3.
@@pan0568 The good news is that the V5 and X5 miss a lot less shots than the V3. I dislike the touch screen on the X5 so I have a V5 on order.
I have been using Arccos for years and the data is awesome. I still do struggle with the putting though. Need to figure that out. I also really really wish I could zoom in closer to edit the shot... having it not be able to zoom in to move shots around especially by the green is a PITA.
I have an Apple Watch and a Garmin S70. I have been wanting a tracking system, but the main goal would be only for club selection recommendations (ie the club to use based on average distance.) I like that on the Garmin golf watch I can see the entire hole and my understanding is with the Arccos on the Apple Watch that is not the case. If these are my main concerns, would you recommend me sticking with the S 70 or giving Arccos a try
Great review!! I've been considering getting one of these game trackers. I'll be checking out the dedicated reviews as well.
Just got a new driver. W/ my ping, Arccos provided option to get sensors free, link @ 50% off and a couple months to test before subscription confirmed. Looking forward to it. And get to just leave my Garmin watch on. Hell of a deal w/ the Memorial Day sale.
Thank you for the outstanding video! I just ordered Arccos using your affiliate link. The extra 15% discount is greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work, your videos are very helpful.
Great awareness review. there is definitely more in depth analysis needed on how well it functions on the course (individual videos have been great though) so people reading this should check those out to see them in action. For me, actually using them was far more important than the looks/data.
IF you have the apple watch, get the arcos. Many of my friends do this and love it. I am not apple user so Shotscope v4 is best for me. you can do pin location on manual putting mode (not specified in this video very well). I've tried the Garmin system because I have the R10 and wanted to sync up and found it wasn't worth the cost and the benefits really werent there unless you are an absolute data nut. My only complaint about shotscope is that the tags sometimes dont ready quickly enough with the proximity sensor on the watch or If i use the same club twice in a row, it misses the second shot. I have found ways to minimize those errors but definitely not perfect.
Sean, a couple of things about the ARCCOS system that were not mentioned. You CAN use the ARCCOS with an Android watch, it is not as polished as the Apple and it causes a bit of watch battery drain but if you use the Link and range finder but are not able to see the pin the watch will show you distances without your phone. The other thing that has been a godsend with ARCCOS is their customer service, they are responsive, professional and overall AMAZING! I can't speak to the other systems service but ARCCOS as a customer service entity is one that all business should emulate.
Awesome, thanks for sharing your thoughts! And I realized I glossed over the Android side of things. I dont have any experience using it with Android, so Apple is always my default frame of reference - realize I need to do better about that. And in my upcoming Link Pro review, I mention Android as well.
Thanks!
Garmin doesn't track chips and pitch shots using the watch. Which if you're trying to accurately track club distances and SG, basically forced to get CT sensors.
So I’m in the same boat as you. Have the Garmin Mk3i (basically an Epix Pro 2 with scuba capabilities) and love the on-course golf experience using the watch, but the Garmin Golf app is so outdated. I’m thinking of making the same switch as you, do you input your club selection into the watch to better inform the virtual caddie feature or do you just ignore it? I don’t currently even think about it with my Garmin sensors but I’m trying to figure out the “workflow” if I switch to Arccos and keep using my Garmin watch.
Ha, I actually have been inputting my club info, but only because I keep forgetting to turn off the feature. I really only use it for actual yardages, as because I'm not dilligent enough with it, the caddie feature isn;t super helpful. But if you are, and especially if you have a full set of CT10s it can provide some useful feedback.
Thank you for a good review. But I might have a stupid question. I have invested in the garmin s70, and planned to buy the CT10 sensors. But I just bought a new set of Cobra club sets. And through that got a set of Arccos sensors. So my question is. Can I mount the Arccos sensors on my clubs and then later switch to the CT10? Or will the ends of the grips be too damaged to hold them?
Not a stupid question at all! If your clubs came with the sensors (not the built in Arccos grips), then you'll have no problem switching them out when/if you decide to get CT10 sensors. If they came with the Arccos Smart Grips, then there's no hole at the butt of the clubs, so you won't be able to use the CT10s with those.
@@breakingeighty thx a lot. The sensors where sent free of charge after purchase of clubs. (I paid for postage) So will try them on, in the free trial period. But will probably switch to CT10, so I can have all info in my Watch. Thx again for the answer, and for your great contents on this channel.
Your video helped to clarify some of my recent thinking. I recently switched from Arccos with the Apple watch and new Link Pro to a Garmin Approach S70 with the CT10 sensors because my Apple watch was being a bit flaky and I really wanted the hole layout to display on my watch. I've found that the Garmin data wasn't as complete as the Arccos data. So, I've been wondering if it would be possible to use the Garmin S70 to show me the hole layout, etc. while using the Arccos sensors with the Link Pro and my iPhone for shot tracking. I'm definitely going to give it a try. Thanks for the video!
Yep, that's essentially my setup. I use Arccos, but will start a round on my Garmin watch just for distances.
I got out of Arccos when all but 3 of my sensors stopped working and they wanted 20$ a sensor plus 220$ for the year. I’m in Minnesota so a monthly or 6 month option would have kept me around but having to pay 500$ to use something that I had to go in and adjust constantly didn’t have me convinced.
I struggled with arccos I found having the link in my pocket and taking my phone out at the end of a round to check the round and shots missed as abit of a faff, I think having it on your wrist is alot better
Garmin. Next question. 😏
Hi Sean @breakingeighty. Love your stuff mate. Very polished. I’m sooo close to switching from Garmin to arrcos, mainly due to the app being so poor on Garmin in terms of data with very little customer support around any improvements. That said I love my Garmin S70 on course for keeping score with the ct10 sensors and for yardage/hazzards etc. could you explain a little more on how you play with the hybrid arrangement? Cheers! James
Totally. So for me, I use Arccos on my phone. Now I have the Link Pro, so I mostly just keep my phone in my bag, let the Link Pro capture everything, and then every few holes I'll check the app just to make sure it's travking properly, or perhaps add a penalty stroke, which you still do manually.
I also start a golf round on my Garmin watch, and then just use that for all my distances. It will track shot data from the watch, but reviewing it on the Garmin app is so disappointing, I dont do much with it. Mostly just use the watch for distances.
So Garmin and Arccos aren't actually interfacing at all in my setup.
Perfect. Thanks! I guess you keep score on your Garmin and then just match it up post round? Feels awkward I agree, I just can’t understand garmin not developing there app more to come in line with arccos and shotscope. The hardware is there and it’s good! Just frustrating on the software!
Top stuff anyway. Thanks for the reply.
I went from S60 to arccos for the same reason and I wish I stayed with Garmin. Yes the app and data are better but after 3 years I can tell I don't really watch them anymore. Arccos will tell you you are good with short game, need to improve your putting and all but after all you already know all that. Now I only use it as my scorecard and sometimes I go see how far I bombed that drive lol
I agree with you and respect your opinion about all three as i had all of them at some point.
You should clarify which would you choose if you personally had to pay for these products. It would sway my decision one way if lets say i dont have to pay for arccos subscription you know?
For me personally, I'd choose Arccos hands down. I'm happy to pay the $155 a year for a product that I think is quite a bit better than the others. Caveat being, I still love my Garmin watch. So if I had that and didn't want to pay for an additional product, it certainly can get the job done.
@@breakingeighty yeah i cant argue with that. Im a shotscope user now and i miss the data and app architecture of arccos. But where their software is superior their hardware lags behind. There’s no reason they should be using fragile battery powered sensors that also lengthen and change the swingweight of a club. If they used shotscope NFC type sensors it will be game over
So when I did research to decide between arccos and shot scope, i learned that the arccos sensors can die and they do not have a chargeable/replaceable battery. so once they die, you have to get new ones? The shot scope ones don't need batteries bc it uses the same technology used with apple pay so you just scan it to your phone and your phone does the work. I chose to spend the $100 on shot scope and not the $200 for arccos, however much for the subscription and a potential extra $200 once they die.
I have had the sensors for 18 months and have had no issues. Also I was offered 5 sensors for free when I resubscribed my membership. Their customer service is very good and arccos system is worth it overall.
I think you hit a lot of the main points on the head here. The stats display and information is a bit more elegant on the Arccos. One thing not mentioned in your video is the sensors are quite larger than the Shot Scope. I wish they could reduce the size. Also would be nice to see them come up with their own watch for use with the product. I think the Apple Watch would be the most seamless and less intrusive integration but it's an extra cost if you didn't already have the watch. You can see it in the video but you can move the pin location in the Shot Scope and the V5 in my opinion is a much superior product to the X5 watch (I have both). The X5 I was bumping the watch and being a touchscreen was very frustrating and I found the touchscreen to be difficult to operate. The V5 is so much better. I assume they still work but I think I still have a set of Arccoss sensors that included the subscription for the life of the product. Maybe one day I''ll bust those out (I've always hesistated because the Link and phone was always a non-starter for me)
I do the exact same thing, Garmin for everything in life and in round data and scoring then Arccos for my stats. Really wish Garmin had good SG data but alas they they don't.
haha and here I am thinking I was the only one
@@breakingeighty It must be an Oregon thing
I love Arccos, been using it for 5+ years. But I hate that I have to pay for a year subscription when I can only play 6 months a year.
Used Arccos, however, for the limited amount of rounds I got in...paying for stats wasn't for me especially when it seemed I was always fixing a handful of shots per round. I know no software like this is perfect but if I am going to pay annually for something, I feel it should be closer to perfect. May try out Shot Scope this year.
Definitely give Shot Scope a try - the lack of subscription fee is a huge benefit.
The Link Pro is a noticeable upgrade over the link. More accurate gps, connects quicker, and transfers date to phone faster.
What you use to track stableford score?
Have you looked at the new Arccos Smart Grips & Sensor bundle that is out or pending to market?
Is there a subscription for Garmin?
How does the Arccos compare to the SkyCaddie Gametrax 360?
Arccos really is the gold standard, I find that when I walk off the golf course the things i think i need to work on is often times different than what Arccos tells me. This is because I am probably fixating on the last few holes rather than the whole round or last few rounds.
I had Arccos for 2 years but the cost is getting insane.
That's a stretch. SS is just as good
I'd rather keep my gold. Shot Scope data is pretty powerful considering the one time fee.
I am looking forward to buy system like this for my father, so far he only used garmin radar for golfing on his backyard which system do you recommend me to buy for him?
I had Arccos (without Arccos link) last summer but short game tracking wasn't good. Needed to edit shots manually from almost every hole. A lot more than 50% of holes anyways. Didn't track short chips too often and putt tracking was totally useless. Couldn't even track amount of putts so nothing to talk about putt lenghts etc. Also not a fan of subscription especially because we have 5-6 months season here in Finland. I bought Garmin S70 and I'll try CT10's paired to watch. Don't know what to expect if Arccos is "most accurate". Also can't add a sensor to my putter since it has Arccos sensor built-in grip. Lets see how it goes.
Good overview. Would be nice to see the "refined" aspects of the arccos vs shot scope. You have hundreds of rounds using these devices so would assume you have some video footage to help illustrate what you are talking about. These are the two I would choose between, but not having an iwatch or any apple products, I would be leaning towards shot scope I guess.
Garmin not having good UI is just odd. They have been doing GPS for as long as just about anyone in the industry. You would think they might have stumbled upon the best UI by now.
Where are the discount codes. I can’t find down below as suggested. Is there a discount for Shot Scope?
Great review Thank you. Can the Arccos be used on the driving range? Thanks
Nope, it's something that really only works while on the course.
Just to further explain the technology. What all these sensors do is when they sense an impact (you hitting the golf ball) they send a message ("6 iron was used") to whatever is listening (phone, watch, etc.) which tracks the club and the GPS position it was used at. It then plays connect the dots to figure out the distances. So driving range, lost balls, drops, etc. would not be tracked as they only know where the ball landed because of the next shot.
I have an S70 with a full set of CT10s. I am about to get an Apple ultra2. In your opinion, should I get the Arcos trackers to pair with the Ultra or just roll with the Garmin system?
at 21 secs of the video you show an overlay of all shots taken on a hole. how or where do you find that view in the app or online website?
How is Arccos with an Apple Watch 10?
great reviews of all….I used Arccos or about a decade or so…great product and truly probably the best, as you said…but, I had two issues with it…1. The subscription (which it didn’t have on the first gen when I got it)…AND 2. The sensors are annnnnnnoying!! Too bulky and my hand always seems to find them and treat them as part of the shaft of the club, making me have to keep regripping the club to avoid doing it…this has gone on for a decade and I can’t stop doing it…I switched this season to the shot scope and have only used the clubs on the range with the sensors in the clubs…1,000000 x better. We’ll see how the data and analysis part works when I start playing this season…
Well…in a few short words, I’m back to using Arccos…it’s just a better product in every way except the sensor sizes…I’m left handed but golf righty…the watch on my left hand just drove me nuts and with my 55 year old eyes, the screen and controls are just not very intuitive…kept getting caught on a menu and couldn’t figure out how to get back to the Home Screen….plus, the watch just feels cheap…the strap is annoying, and the clasp is bass-akwards as my dad would say…I will say I’ve used Arccos so long that it’s just second nature to me, so I’m sure there is a bit of can’t teach an old dog new tricks…but, if anyone is looking for a barely used Shot Scope X5, let me know!!
I have same settup. I'm using Garmin S62 and Linkpro, but not tracking my fitness so much so I was thinking to switch my watch to Galaxy watch 6 if arccos support it. Arccos say that they supöort galaxy 4 and 5 but does anyone know if it works on galaxy watch 6 too?
I would love to see apple come out with their own tracking/sensors to use with the apple watch
I've had Arccos since 2020 and there have been so many improvement to the app, the tracking, and the metrics that I willingly pay the $150 per year fee. However I also have a Garmin Fenix 7x SS watch that I got 2 years ago and I wear for everything. So I do the same as you, I will have both running while I am golfing at the same time, and as much as I'd like to drop Arccos to have a full Garmin system, the Garmin app, metrics, and updates are just horrible in comparison. It is lacking so much and I have no confidence in Garmin that they will improve it any time soon.
Ever done a review on GolfPad?
I haven't, but probably will sometime soon!
Where would you rank GolfShot in this list?
Can you assist me with the putting, When i walk to the flag i set pin, i then putt and it doesnt pick it up, so i add 2 putts for example. When i review post round the putts are where i added +2 not the shot, have you experienced this?
There is no where in the Accros checkout to enter your discount code…..?
When I used Arccos, it missed so many shots I stopped using it. Also the sensors are huge that stick in the grip.
Will Arccos just track club distances if that’s all you want? When I play a practice round, I like to play a few balls and it would be really nice if it was tracking the club distances without thinking I just shot a 14 in that hole. lol
Do u know of any sensors u can use at a driving range?
The sensors simply record what club you used, and where you were when you swung it. The only way it knows where the ball went is because you proceed to that location and swing again.
Golf Pad, it's like $20/year connects to Android and IOS watches, tags for clubs can be bought for $99
The arccos problem is strokes gained and everything it tracks takes time to average out for your game. It doesn’t bring an immediate value. At least with shot scope you get the watch and get those benefits right away. So you’re subscribing for a phone app that isn’t providing useful data until you get 5 to 10 rounds into it. Which for some of us is all we get to play each year.
Great video Sean
What if you use a Samsung watcg? Is one better? It seems like Arccos is best for Apple ecosystems not Andriod.
This is the review I was waiting for! I have a Voice Caddie TL1 and switched from Apple to the Garmin watch because of your reviews and couldn't be happier. Debating between the 3 pack and full set of CT10 sensors. I've heard it's not uncommon for these to fail which is why I hesitate going for the full set. Have you experienced CT10s not working after a certain period of time or any other durability issues?
I’ve been using them for 2 years with no issues whatsoever.
@@michaelhoak appreciate the reply! I think I will go for them. One last question, have you had issues with taking multiple clubs like wedges and a putter out of the bag at the same time and it registering additional shots? if so do you have any tips to minimize the added shots?
@@EDossantoun I have not had issues. And I often take 2 different clubs to a par 3 tee box or out to the fairway on a cart path only day. It seems to know which club you actually swing.
Enjoyed your video. I have both the Arccos and Shot Scope H4. And I have the Arccos Link. I agree with you both are great products depending upon your needs. I love my H4 and the adjoining shot scope range finder. And shot scope tracks all my data and they do it for FREE which I truly love however their layout is very cartoonish and their is no place to record my launch monitor data like you can on Arccos also you link Arccos to Clippd to keep track of all your practice sessions. Now I also love Arccos as you can tell their website layout and data is top notch and again you can link it with Clippd to track your practice sessions. And the Apple Watch or the link makes it even better But I HATE SUBSCRIPTIONS that is my only down side to Arccos but. Also understand why. I the end I find that I am using the Arccos system far more than Shot Scope. Hope this also helps
I dont konw if someone knows the answer to this but i take a chance.
I'm really interested by the shotscope products but still dont know if i try it with the watch or with connex and my phone.
Does anyone knows if the gps accuracy is better on the X5 or on a phone or is it the same?
I had arrcos for over a year with the link, and it constantly messes up. It doesn't record your shots.
I had the Arccos system and hated it. It was inaccurate alot of the time. I always had to go back and input shots. It took alot of enjoyment out of the game. Not only was I thinking about shot selection, I was worried about if the thing tracked correctly. I ultimately just gave it away to a buddy.
I am constantly losing the battery covers and on my Garmin sensors and thus the brains of each sensor.
The argument for the link and no phone falls short when it comes to penalties and putts - as you still need to go back to your phone to add the penatly if you loose a ball OB and then again to check it added the puts correctly. Specially if playing with friends and you end up having some gimmie putts. It wont count those, then all of a sudden arccos thinks you're 1 putting and playing out of your mind.
Also a side note that arccos does not work for night golf or even low light as the sensors need sunlight to be active.
I tried Arccos and it was genuinely terrible. For an expensive purchase and subscription. It missed so many shots and in the end unusable. I stopped using it because it was so useless at capturing shots.
Exactly my experience. Lot of money wasted
Just bought the Shot Scope V5- great value paid 179.00 no subscription
I'd love to use Arccos, but the cost is just a bit much in my opinion. Seeing Shot Scope do it for so much less makes me think Arccos is just charging so much more because of their name, not so much about all the backend stuff. I use the Shot Scope H4, but now that the V5 is out I may switch to that since I wouldn't have to tag my clubs manually. Just wish Shot Scope would connect via Galaxy Watches so I wouldn't have to swap them to play golf. Granted no one works with Galaxy Watches at this point. Ugh.
One of my main issues with Arccos is the horrible high pitched sound the senors make. Hoping shot scopes don't do this as well
Arccos does not make a sound. Game Golf used to but I’m not even sure the product still exists
@@jayzechab Arccos definitely makes a sound, they have a support page on their website for this specific thing. Most of my friends over 30 can't hear it but it drives me insane
No noise from Shotscope as it doesn't use a mic pick up system. Also, Shotscope sensors are not phased by wind etc like Arccos.