Personally I’ve used arccos and shotscope and have stayed with shotscope. 1) no subscription fees, 2) I like wearing a watch although their newer version looks better than the previous one I had, 3) found no difference between the data between the services 4) great customer service. When I broke a couple tags switching clubs they quickly sent me new ones at no cost. I’d love to try the garmin at some point but am totally good with shotscope
Good video, I’ve used both Arccos and Garmin systems and have to say the Arccos is better as of now. Not sure about shotscope. The app, data, user interface of the Arccos system is much better than the Garmin. In addition the ct10 sensors are very sensitive so you have to be careful to keep the sensors pointing down and not have them bang around otherwise it may record it as a shot. Also post round editing is much easier on Arccos. That being said Garmin has no annual fees and you don’t even necessarily need the ct10 sensors. The approach s62 watch (when you don’t have sensors) will ask you what club you just hit after each shot. So once you set up your bag on the app and pair it you will be able to track your shots without needing the sensors (which solves the sensitive sensor issue and saves you money). Not to mention the s62 watch is also fully functional smart watch that gives you notifications and a full suite of health tracking features with a number of activities besides golf that you can track. A friend of mine has the shotscope watch and while the display and data may not be as nice or robust it looks to be a good system that gives you enough to get some good basic data that will help you.
The problem with Arccos is in my opinion, that you have a) to subscribe (for a pretty high fee) and b) can't change the batteries. Garmin on the other hand let's you change the batteries but the watches are pretty expensive. I don't know much about the shot scope system - the X5 would be interesting, but i read a few comments, where users say there are a lot of problems recognizing the tags.
Thanks a lot. You are by far the best golf device reviewer I've ever watched. Crystal clear and I could easily make my decision based on this video. 🎉🎉
Enjoyed your review. I have been using the Garmin s62 with the CT 10 sensors for 2 years. Absolutely love the way it works. I don't wear watches usually but gave the s62 a chance. Only wore it for golf because it was big and on the heavy side. It does miss some shots but overall is pretty seamless. I upgraded to the s70 because of the screen, weight and beveled edges. It is awesome! The people at my country club that have used Arccos seem to only do so for a year. Not sure if it's the subscription or they are not using an apple watch.
One aspect not mentioned is that some of us are not just focused on golf. I believe Garmin holds around 80% of the GPS market. Athletes who also run, swim, bike, etc. are used to the Garmin ecosystem. I don't, and never would, own a "golf" watch. I have been wearing Garmin multiport watches for 10+ years. The CT10 system simply integrates into the Garmin data along with everything else, including my now vintage Truswing data.I can go directly from looking at my morning run data to my latest swing analysis, my BP and HR trends, or to my last round of golf. All in one app.
Thanks for this comment, and insight Steve! I didn't realize it integrated that well with non-golf Garmin watches, so this is great to know and will keep it in mind for future updates re: the CT10 sensors.
I originally bought the CT10s last year but then realized that you needed a Garmin Golf watch to use it. From looking at all the reviews, it never mentioned it so I returned them to Amazon. I didn't like the Arccos because of the link and the price it added to the package. Originally I didn't want to pay the $150/yr for the subscription but honestly, everything in golf is going that way so why fight it. There's a price to get the data and the analysis, so might as well pay it. However, now that the Arccos can use the Apple Watch, I committed to them. I have the Ultra (upgraded from 6 because of battery life), and from everything I hear, it works perfect. I don't want another device (I'm a software engineer, I have plenty of devices) so being able to use everything I have is awesome. I'm looking forward to play my first round with them since we don't have snow anymore (I'm in Iowa), so I'll add more info here. I love the videos you've done with this in the past, so thank you for all the research and honest opinions.
I like arccos a lot. I made a recommendation to Arccos to improve the preview caddie feature when planning a round at a new course. Arccos preview caddie will tell you the best combo of clubs to use based on yardages and accuracy. The problem is sometimes it will tell you to hit driver right between two bunkers where the fairway narrows. On GolfLogix I can plan my round much better but it doesn’t leverage my own stats. I hope they integrate this into the system because I like preparing for rounds and then recapping them just as you described in your review.
I have use Shot scope & Arccos and I would completely agree that Arccos is a much more polished system but I find that there isn't much of a different in the data that you get out. With the new X5 watch and the updates that are happening with the app and website, I have swapped back to shot scope.
I went from Arccos to ShotScope because Arccos used to record bad data a lot. With ShotScope, I still have some issue here and there that I need to correct within the app but it's nothing in comparison to Arccos. Actually, I expected better from a solution that comes with a subscription. To me, the only reason someone would prefer Arccos over the new X5 from ShotScope is because they would rather have an Apple watch on their wrist than a ShotScope watch.
I’ve had Garmin ct10’s and now I use shotscope. The ct10 tags were just too big for my liking. Although I quite liked the software. Shotscope tags are so small and lightweight they don’t distract me at all. Only downside with shotscope I find is the putting. The pin collect doesn’t always accurately record the pin position. Also putting often defaults to 2 feet when you get close to the pin. So I find the putting stats a bit useless. Often oversells the distance to the pin. The rest is great. I’ve got the v3 and it’s good for my needs. I’ll wait for the next version after the x5 to upgrade as I don’t feel I’ve had enough use out of this one to justify the upgrade.
Like you I have around 300 recorded rounds on my Arccos dashboard. The good news for me was that I am grandfathered in and am not burdened with an annual subscription fee. I have recorded an average of 10 percent missed strikes per round, about half of them are putts. Also be aware that on a lot of single putts Arccos "gives" me 2 putts. All in all I have found that if you want accurate data you must edit every round. I have tried every method to get recording without editing including using the iPhone, Links (initial and new Connect version) and now my Series 7 Apple Watch. The number of missed strikes appears about the same no matter which method I attempted. Prior to purchasing the Arccos system I used Game Golf but the Arccos app is infinitely better. I send my coach my rounds before I take a refresher hour of instruction and he seems to know instantly what to work on during the lesson.
I got the Arccos sensors for free, with a 90 day trial of their system. I cancelled just before the 90 days was up so I wouldn’t have to pay the annual fee…and I honestly don’t see any difference in the UI, because I do still use Arccos during my rounds. And I just let the app run the background as there are other Golf apps I also use during rounds, mainly the GHIN app. I also received a Garmin Finex 6X Pro for Fathers Day last year, and I love that watch, because I can track any activity known to man, including golf. Obviously I don’t have the Garmin sensors on top of my Arccos sensors, but the Garmin watch asks me which club I just hit, and tracks every shot even if I sometimes forget to let it know which club it was. I just go into the app after my round and assign the club I hit to the shot it detected. Most Garmin watches have the ability to track your golf too, it doesn’t have to be the Garmin Golf watches. I will say that the Garmin Golf app could use a facelift.
Great video I’ve been using the CT10 since 2019. The only down side with Garmin after paying £200+ for the sensors, you would have thought they would include the tool for removing the cap to replace the battery. Had to buy one from Garmin it’s only plastic but it cost me £8 including post
All the things mentioned were valid. ARCCOS also has the coaching ability though I am not a coach so not sure about costs. I have been using ARCCOS for about 5 years, I think, without a doubt, it has had the biggest impact on my game improvement. I know how far each club goes, I know (as you point out) what areas need work, and at the beginning what club to select. It also helps when I am not in line of sight to the pin and can't use a range finder. Overall my handicap has gone from 16 to 4 using ARCCOS. I just wish that they weren't such Apple fan boys since I am a Samsung user, though I do have the link.
I had the arccos but as you kind of hinted to, if you don't have apple watch it's really not a pleasant experience. I have the garmin S62 and will switching to the garmin caps this year.
You raise a good point around 7m "when it becomes a distraction and not an aid". I found using Arcoss on course a distraction eg pulling phone out to put score in then transfer strokes from one hole to another when things went wrong etc became problematic. Having a Garmin watch which prompted me to enter score & putts etc when I was on green so much easier. Having said that Arcoss data was better than Garmin and if used in conjunction with Apple/Android watch app it could work well! I think the link belt thing is still required though otherwise you need to keep your phone in front pocket witch I also hated!
I use the shot scope and find it very good and simple to edit after the round For the money it is miles better than the other systems, V3 for £150/$200 inc of watch and the tags. The technical Support if there are mapping issues or problems is fantastic, the course is re mapped typically within 24 hrs. The X5 is being offered with £100 off for V3 users, a bargain if you have the spare cash. A better watch, on course editing improved tags gathering more data, you now can get a running score. Watch display similar to the GarminS62. I am not buying one as my V3 works fine for me, I don’t play lots of strange courses so typically just need the distances to the green.
I really love my shot scope but as a gps watch it is no match for garmin. The data is a bit inaccurate, but moreover you dont get good course info. Sand, water - you have to guess which one it shows. No info on doglegs and so on. Even basic garmin is way better.
@@MrMartwy never used the other watches, and as I generally play two courses I know my way around them it’s the distance and tracking I use. One thing I don’t like is the poor battery life about 10 hours max, which means it will do two 18 hole rounds and then getting very low on power and I typically do 18 in 3:45. Ideally a hole layout showing where you are would be a useful feature esp for dog legs.
Excellent comparison between the three systems. I've used both Arccos and Shoptscope for some time now, Arccos since it debuted. I use one set with my Pings, and the other with my Mizuno. The V3 Shotscope Watch may be low on stock since the newer X5 has just been released and arrived yesterday. 😁 The Arccos software is by far the easier to use. I like that you can even edit DURING your round, after you finish playing a hole, which means that all shot data is finished/correct before the finished round is uploaded to the Arccos cloud. In the past I've gotten emails from Arccos as to why I was editing rounds so much ( a LOT of missed shots), that did not make me happy, as the emails sounded almost accusatory. Lately, I triggerred some bugs in the Shotscope post-round editing software, which Shotscope has said that they are fixing.
Always excellent and thorough. I live Arccos. Been using it for years now. Bummed it’s a subscription now…wasn’t originally, but it’s still the best since I use apple Ultra and have hundreds of rounds logged already….the data is unmatched.
@@NJovo3D all that said, after my subscription for Arccos is up this year, I may switch over to Garmin or none at all…the overall data presentation from Arccos is the best, but not sure I really need all it offers, and paying a subscription just really puts me off…
Imo, If you're already invested in an R10, you may as well stick with the Garmin ecosystem, unless spending $1000's on golf gear is pocket change for you.
V3 is probably sold out as they have just bought out the X5 to replace it. You need to get one to review as it seems to add a lot more features and I would like to know if I should replace my old V3 !
Great video, Sean! I'm a longtime S62 user but I don't really understand what the CT10 sensors would add above what I do now which is just selecting the club after each shot when prompted on the watch? And I agree the Garmin Golf app is garbage.
I love the stats but Arcoss have a known issue with gps inaccuracy around the greens so your walking path to and from the hole is often in the wrong place. I have to fix the pin position on virtually every hole snd relocate my first putt.
Do you have a review of ( “Golf pad tags” ) product. Love that you don’t need a subscription’ are they reliable as the other competitors. Like Shot scope watch. I already have a garmin golf watch. I’m cool with it & a Mevo Although I like how it tracks your game as you go. Oh one last question if you make a video of it. Can you also play your speaker while playing or will it conflict with the process. Thanks’ I like your videos 🤙🏼 🙌🏼 👍🏼
Arccos with Apple Watch Ultra is god-tier. Lasts 36 holes and the GPS is amazing. I enjoyed Shotscope V3 when I had it, but the dealbreaker for me was that Shotscope didn't have any course maps on my phone while I played, so I'd have to be doing Shotscope AND have The Grint or something open to see what each hole was doing and map out my strategy. Looks like Shot Scope is about to drop a new watch, which is cool, but since i already have an Apple Watch that also gives me notifications and stuff while on the course, doubt I'll go back to it unless they allow you to bring your own Apple Watch instead of building somewhat sub-par watches themselves.
Yeah that's a great point. Having both the full maps/course data on your phone PLUS everything the Caddie feature provides on Arccos is super useful. Curious to see how much hole data there is on the new X5 watch.
@@breakingeighty I have high hopes that the X5 watch will be a much better setup for those without an Apple watch. The X3 felt too much like a rebranded Pebble watch (anyone remember those) and was very clunky in real use not to mention the proprietary charging.
@@davepinke I play with the ShotScope watch on my wrist while using the 18Birdies app at the same time. I think it's the best of both worlds. I haven't use Arccos in a long time but I doubt their app is better than 18Birdies. With Arccos, if you want to use 18Birdies you end up paying for 2 subscriptions 😕
It honestly comes down to personal preference. The reality is most people dont need the exact distance a rangefinder provides. But there's also a lot of people that dont want to deal with more tech on the golf course. And some people want both! So it really comes down to how you want to experience your rounds of golf.
Good comparison, BUT shotscope is rolling out their V5 watch. Because of this it's a little bit of an outdated review considering I got the v5 $200. With that being said I still really appreciate the review and keep up the good work👍
2 questions: You mentioned arccos showing more data. What exactly are you thinking about? Is it the ability to use sliders to only consider shots from a small bucket? Or is there anything else I'm missing? And why does the Garmin laser connects to an app? What does it provide?
The Garmin rangefinder will allow you to keep score in it, which you can upload to the app if you want to use it to keep score. When you're connected to the app you also get wind speed/direction, as well as essentially the equivalent of "find my iPhone". If you forget the rangefinder, the app will beep at you so you don't lose it. As for Arccos, the scatter charts are what I find most useful. And I believe you can only get those when using the desktop dashboard.
So you ever review any of the skycaddie offerings for all of these different products? Watches, handheld gps, launch monitor, shot trackers, they have them all.
Great review, albeit a couple days late. LOL. My Shot Scope V3, which I purchased from Play Better, arrived last Thursday. In my excitement to use it, I played 27 holes yesterday in 45 F weather with 25-40 mph winds (7 degrees C, 22-35 knots). I didn't play well in that wind and cold, but I enjoyed the watch immensely, and the data that I received afterwords was accurate. It did miss 2 shots, which I had to edit, which was easy. I think your analysis was dead on. I would add one thing. I opted for the V3 because I am new to shot tracking, and I'm not sure it is something I will use. With it's much lower price, the V3 is an easy entry point. If I decide that I want more later, I'm sure I can sell the V3 and buy a more expensive system. BTW, I have to wonder if the reason the V3 was price reduced, and now shows as out of stock, is because the X5 is it's replacement, and the V3 will be discontinued.
Just don't put too much stock in your stats from that round! Only gonna get better from here with warmer days and less wind :) And yes, I think that's exactly what is happening, the X5 is the new V3. Which is good and bad. Because to your point, when you could get the V3 for under $200, it makes it easier to jump in. Now at $299, it's more of an upfront investment. You can almost get Arccos and 2 years of the subscription for the same price (Arccos would be about $20 more, after our discount). Regardless, there's not a bad option!
I upgraded to an X5. Initially I was disappointed because it had some major bugs, but after a couple of months, those were all fixed. It is a much better watch than the V3, with far fewer misrecorded shots. My only issues now are the short battery life (~7 hours) and the fact that I sometimes put my hands behind my back when watching others putt, which brushes the face of the touchscreen against my back, causing the watch to record a 2-putt par.
As a comparison of these three systems , this is a great video. Personally I find the Shot Scope app to be quite fiddly when trying to add missed shots or penalties. But I can’t compare it to the Arcos as I haven’t use that.
When the X5 came out, it had a lot of glitches, but after a few firmware updates, and with some updates to the App as well, it is much improved, and a very good watch.
Arccos is great but I would rather spend £125 a year on lessons than a subscription just got the Shot scope H4 and works really well and the sensors come with the product with no subscription waiting to upload my first round to check the data, but on a budget this is the best option in my opinion
If I use the Garmin Golf app, but don't have a watch, will the garmin ct10 still send the data to the app? Haven't found a clear answer on that. Love the video!
@@breakingeighty my biggest issue with Arrcos is (1) putting stats/pin setting (2) yeah I don’t like the subscription. I have an Apple Watch but do NOT want to wear it while swinging a club so I’m like do I switch to the shotscope H3 or can I just pull the watch out on the green and press a button to set the pin location by gps. Not too keen on buying the clip on just seems like allot of money to do one thing
@@clw22580 Totally get it. It's worth trying to keep your watch in your pocket and pulling it out. It might work. Also, I should know this, but I assume these days the phone has the same hit a button to set the pin feature as the watch. All of my most recent rounds have just used the watch, so I haven't done it this way. And honestly, the ShotScope V3/X5 are great, but you're still wearing a watch. The H4 is the one where you don't need a watch, but having to tap your belt before every shot is a total dealbreaker for me and interrupts the round too much.
Moved from Arccos to Shotscope and find it much better for not missing strokes, no subscription, no need to have an app active on my phone wasting the battery, price and the strokes gained data is similar. It was also hit and miss getting the Arccos sensors to pair during set up.
Any tips to keep these CT10s from falling out of the grip? One YT video says he cemented them with glue- but what happens when you get new grips? Sounds like a common issue even when tightened into the grip. Thank you
I own a ShotScope H4 and its sensors and decided to 'upgrade' to the Garmin system this golf season. Despite my appreciation for the Garmin watch, I find the sensors to be markedly inferior in comparison to those of ShotScope. The Garmin sensors consistently demand re-tightening or simply dislodge easily falling to the ground during a shot, proving to be a distraction during a round. The design of Garmin sensors appears to be fundamentally flawed, and I am not alone in voicing this grievance. In essence, the ShotScope stands out as a notably more cost-effective solution, particularly well-suited for golf. Once affixed to the club ends, the ShotScope sensors become inconspicuous. Opting for the Garmin system, with its subpar sensor design, seems justified only if you intend to track a variety of activities in addition to golf. The Garmin system excels in multi-activity tracking, but for dedicated golf enthusiasts, the ShotScope remains a better choice. BTW, the better comparison would be the ShotScope X5.
I wanted to love shot scope. Easy to use and the watch is good on course. But it is way too inaccurate to be useful and I've had to go through and adjust literally every shot most rounds. Which takes about an hour. But that's all a moot point now anyway since i can't charge it using the proprietary charger.... It simply doesn't charge any more. So great concept but not quite there yet. I think i will try the Garmin as i do like having a watch
I had the previous generation of the Shot Scope and was happy with it up until the watch stopped charging and SS said it was out of warranty. I took advantage of their offer for previous customers on the X5 and boy was it a disappointment. Way too many issues with the watch not responding, taking forever to load, missing shots and giving bad numbers. I think the potential is there but they released it way too soon. I returned it and am now looking at the Arccos system.
Yes, there were a lot of bugs in the X5, but after a couple firmware updates and some app updates, it works great now. The only problem I have now is that when watching others putt, I sometimes put my hands behind my back, which activates the touchscreen and records 2 putts and par. I'm working on breaking that habit. ;)
CT-10 Putter Sensors - With the new oversize putter grips I could not attach the sensor to the putter. I did get the CT-10 3 pack. On my older putter I cut off part of the stem for it to screw in. My latest putter that will not work. I see Shot Scope offers a flat sensor which you can glue onto the grip. I have searched the Garmin forums and there are plenty of complaints there. To your point, seems as though the CT-10 was an afterthought. And they are making no effort to remedy this issue. For the record, I have the S62. Is a fantastic watch. Just find the data analysis pretty weak.
I used the Arccos system for years always hoping that they fixed the missed shots and shots appearing on the wrong hole issues. I tried the newer Apple Watch and their remote sensor but never got better. I spent literally hours after the round editing incorrect and missed shots. I was thinking of trying another product, but if this is systemic of all the devices - forget it!
Hi. I’m beginner and I mostly want the data from driving range. It seems none of these would work on that because it uses GPS to track distance. Is there any value of having these in a range or is there a better product for beginners to get the data to become better
Nope, none of these will really be what you're looking for on the range. For that you'll want to get a launch monitor.. This will get a good intro to some options: ruclips.net/video/k9Dyzq5yVgs/видео.html. But as a beginner, I'd look at the Rapsodo MLM, Swing Caddie SC4, or FlightScope Mevo.
Question I do NOT want to wear my Apple Watch my biggest problem is Arrcos putting stats bc setting the pin on the phone is a PAIN can you just pull out the watch when you are on the green to set the pin locations?
Short answer is yes! So when you're wearing the Apple Watch, a screen will literally pop up when you're on the green and it'll say "set pin location". So I just walk to the pin when I get to the green, tap the button, and you're good to go. That said, I know you mentioned you didn't want to wear your watch - so not sure how well it would work if you weren't actually wearing it and just pulling it out for this purpose.
@@breakingeighty thanks! I can certainly put it on while walking on the green I just do not like the feel of a watch on for a full swing. Gonna try it out this week to see if that resolves my biggest gripe (putting stats)
@@clw22580 @Breaking Eighty At the beginning of your round you have to select your detection method, so if you choose the Apple watch you have to wear it for the whole round or it won't detect your shots. I, too, don't like swinging with a watch on so I bought the Arccos Link which just clips onto your pocket and detects all your shots for you. It functions the same way as the watch where you just walk to the pin on the green and tap the button once and it marks the pin location.
@@NoPlayJack thanks sounds like I gotta choose (1) switch to shot scope (2) keep paying for Arrcos as is and have inaccurate/bad putting stats (3) buy the $200 link which is more than an entire permanent shot scope setup
I got the Garmin S70 and the CT10 starter pack that I use on my wedges and putter since those are the clubs that are least likely to register on the watch. Am I missing something by not getting the CT10 sensors for the other 11 clubs?
It just makes it a lot easier and more accurate to get data for the rest of the clubs. Personally I'd consider putting one on the driver. I've found the S70 and Epix tracking to work pretty well, but I've had more missed shots just doing that than when using dedicated sensors.
I love my arccos. Definitely not for everyone but if you love tech they are great. They started giving 3 free sensors with each year sub, so will never have to buy sensors.
I've had a shotscope v3 for 2 years. My main frustration is that editing must be done after the round is finished. Which is fine on my home course. But troublesome everywhere else as I can't remember all my shots in a course I'm not familiar with. So I gave a try to arccos. And the arccos dashboard is just crap in comparison to the shotscope one. First the design is like the Web in 1999. Then the shot editor is not using the same map on iPhone and on the Web, so the shots don't appear in the same place. Then the shot editor locks you on a very small part of the map that sometimes doesn't include part of the hole (I've had multiple occurrences of the tee box being too far away, and I don't play championship fees). Then the putting stats are poor because only the first putt is placed on the map. Oh and the grid on the green view is only available in 10 feet increments, sad for people using meters. Final disappointment with arccos is partially on me. I was mostly looking for the ability to edit a hole while playing. But I have an iPhone 8, which just isn't bright enough to be readable. On a positive note, arccos tags indeed feel like they use better plastic than shotscope. But having to worry about the battery and using sound is less than ideal. So I think I'll go back to shotscope with the X5. They already announced that they'll add new features such as a map overview on the watch, similar to what Garmin does. At this point to me the best solution would probably be a Garmin s62 without the tags but with a data platform similar to arccos/shotscope. Tags aren't really critical. The watch guesses the right club most of the time and it's super quick to change to another one on the good quality screen when it isn't the case. Regarding the future, shotscope will have a new version of the v3 next year. And arccos apparently has a big announcement soon, but no idea what it is about. I'd guess the ability to play with an apple watch without tags.
I like Arccos and I really love the fact that it integrates so well with the Apple watch, but the subscription has got too expensive imo. Shot Scope could really take a chunk out of Arccos if they sold a sensor bundle that does auto shot tracking and pairs with the Apple watch (and maybe other smart watches) without any sort of subscription. I'd happily pay £150 for the sensors if it meant being able to get rid of paying a subscription.
I'm working on a whole review of Garmin CT10s but the TLDR is: If you want help with autoscoring holes and some REALLY basic chipping data, get 3-4 sensors and put them on your putter and wedges only. I often hear this recommendation to put it on your driver, but anything full shot is getting picked up by the watch anyways. I've never had a 100+ yard shot missed by the watch tracking alone. I want the arccos data, but the garmin watch experience, when will garmin make their golf app better or Arccos make a fully featured apple watch app ahhhhh
I'm a longtime S62 user but I don't really understand what the CT10 sensors would add above what I do now which is just selecting the club after each shot when prompted on the watch?
@@andyallaway6097 the only thing it adds is the ability to pick up small shots like a chip and run 5 yards off the green which the watch never picks up and more importantly putts. You can’t get putting data without a sensor (but you have to move the flag around manually on the green view which is mega tedious)
How comparable is the battery drain on the Apple Watch between using Arccos and Golfshot Plus? Currently, I always run that through the round and have never had an issue with battery life at all. Only reason I ask is that my Apple Watch is a Series 5 and you noted there could be a concern for Series 6 and earlier.
Never mind. Found out playing 9 today. Battery drain from Arccos is no joke since it has the mic activated the whole time. I'll need to do some serious battery management until I upgrade my watch. Kind of a bummer but Arccos worked very well for it being the first round with it.
Had You re-done this one with the ShotScope X5/V5 instead, what would be different (since Arccos & CT10 are still same/same)? What would You conlusion have been?
I have the shit scope and the sensor durability is awful. The putter sensor broke first and a few others followed not long after. Removed the sensors and still use the watch but miss the shit tracking data
I could live with the missed shots on arccos. The thing that ultimately made me quit using it was every time I would walk through a shadow or play in the evening and I was checking yardages, my phone would detect the lighting change and go into sleep mode like it was in my pocket. I could never figure out how to turn this feature off. It was so infuriating
I know this is a tag review but the garmin watch is light years ahead of the other two. Only neeed a tag on putter and you get all the data plus virtual caddie and many other features no one else has.
Wonder if anyone has used Arccos on a Samsung Galaxy (newest one) watch instead of the Apple Watch. I'm debating buying the bundle with the Link clip or buy without and hope the watch works well enough.
Shotscope just launched its new watch - the "X5" (sounds like a BMW) Looks like a wannabe Garmin S62, curious how it turns out. I used Arccos for 2 years and switched to Shotscope towards the end of last year. Shotscope is very user friendly, but I think im going to get a newer apple watch and go back to Arccos soon, there is just so much more detail in the stats (wish the sensors were more streamlined though).
Yeah timing didn't exactly line up since I released this video the day they announced the X5! Agree on the BMW reference, especially considering that's what I drive ha. But very much excited to test our and see how the new watch compares to the V3.
I will assume this is only for good golfers? What happens if you suck or a high handicap player? I can assume it won't help much as we tend not to hit the ball that well?
Had arccos for two years and although it missed quite a few shots it eventually locked out between my watch and phone.they were unable to communicate and after two months Arccos could not fix it.I have now ordered a shot scope and will replace my grips and start again.
Arccos is out for me with subscription base. Im surprised ppl are even using it. Over the course of a few years you could by the garmin wstch and sensors and you'll be ahead. As mentioned in other coments. With a garmin watch you dont even have to have sensors because the watch will ask you what club you hit. I bought a ct10 sensor for my putter which is the only club the garmin watch doesn't track.
@@drinkbeerandtravel Ha, appreciate you! IF you clicked the link, I still got a small cut, but just hope you're happy with the product! I've got one ready to review, it's just been....pouring. Also, probably should have switched my YT accounts for this comment. Oh well :)
Ok, after using shotscope for 2 years now: My first x3 broke apart, probsbly it didn't like the heat of the summer, got replacement. Then switched to the X5 with touchscreen, and I would not recommand that. I have now my 3rd x5, multiple problems, mainly battery but also software issues and the touch is just not responsive. Great customer service, the just keep replacing, but I've lost my trust in the product. Especially as it disturbed 2 of my main tournaments and stopped working during play... Arccos is not an option due to subscription and the apple watch only, and garmin seems to be too expensive and the app just not up to shotscope or arccos. So basically none of them are good enough to bring added value to my game.
I just hated arccos. The Battery life makes it a killer for me. Constantly recharging an Apple Watch, worrying about if the battery will last for an 18 Hole round just can't compare to the Garmin S70 Golf Watch. I can play 10 18 Hole rounds without recharging on this one!
Anything that is req a sub is a no-go for me. Its like you cannot buy anything these days without a sub…. It has to stop. I am ok with buying upgrades at my own pace.
These are nothing but a dustraction and gimmick. I shoot high 80's and know my exact strengths and weknesses with a tracking device...lol....these just take your focus away from executing on the course
How much did ARCO's pay you? It SUCKS for the $ and to charge a fee. Maybe good for the CCP watch user, Mac CCP laptop or MS CCP computer. Actually, Game Golf live blew ARCOS away in so many way and it's unfortunate the company didn't survive! Also the accuracy with ARCOS is questionable! Far too labor intensive which interrupts a golfer's focus and rhythm!
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This video is really excellent and a fair report on each of the three trackers. Thank you Sean. I also subscribed!
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Personally I’ve used arccos and shotscope and have stayed with shotscope. 1) no subscription fees, 2) I like wearing a watch although their newer version looks better than the previous one I had, 3) found no difference between the data between the services 4) great customer service. When I broke a couple tags switching clubs they quickly sent me new ones at no cost. I’d love to try the garmin at some point but am totally good with shotscope
Good video, I’ve used both Arccos and Garmin systems and have to say the Arccos is better as of now. Not sure about shotscope. The app, data, user interface of the Arccos system is much better than the Garmin. In addition the ct10 sensors are very sensitive so you have to be careful to keep the sensors pointing down and not have them bang around otherwise it may record it as a shot. Also post round editing is much easier on Arccos.
That being said Garmin has no annual fees and you don’t even necessarily need the ct10 sensors. The approach s62 watch (when you don’t have sensors) will ask you what club you just hit after each shot. So once you set up your bag on the app and pair it you will be able to track your shots without needing the sensors (which solves the sensitive sensor issue and saves you money).
Not to mention the s62 watch is also fully functional smart watch that gives you notifications and a full suite of health tracking features with a number of activities besides golf that you can track.
A friend of mine has the shotscope watch and while the display and data may not be as nice or robust it looks to be a good system that gives you enough to get some good basic data that will help you.
The problem with Arccos is in my opinion, that you have a) to subscribe (for a pretty high fee) and b) can't change the batteries. Garmin on the other hand let's you change the batteries but the watches are pretty expensive. I don't know much about the shot scope system - the X5 would be interesting, but i read a few comments, where users say there are a lot of problems recognizing the tags.
Thanks a lot. You are by far the best golf device reviewer I've ever watched. Crystal clear and I could easily make my decision based on this video. 🎉🎉
Super helpful! Was trying to determine which shot tracker to get - this really helped me!😊
Enjoyed your review. I have been using the Garmin s62 with the CT 10 sensors for 2 years. Absolutely love the way it works. I don't wear watches usually but gave the s62 a chance. Only wore it for golf because it was big and on the heavy side. It does miss some shots but overall is pretty seamless. I upgraded to the s70 because of the screen, weight and beveled edges. It is awesome! The people at my country club that have used Arccos seem to only do so for a year. Not sure if it's the subscription or they are not using an apple watch.
Just ordered the s70. In re to the virtual caddie after playing 5 rounds - do we need the CT10 sensors for that?
Absolutely love my S70!
One aspect not mentioned is that some of us are not just focused on golf. I believe Garmin holds around 80% of the GPS market. Athletes who also run, swim, bike, etc. are used to the Garmin ecosystem. I don't, and never would, own a "golf" watch. I have been wearing Garmin multiport watches for 10+ years. The CT10 system simply integrates into the Garmin data along with everything else, including my now vintage Truswing data.I can go directly from looking at my morning run data to my latest swing analysis, my BP and HR trends, or to my last round of golf. All in one app.
Thanks for this comment, and insight Steve! I didn't realize it integrated that well with non-golf Garmin watches, so this is great to know and will keep it in mind for future updates re: the CT10 sensors.
I originally bought the CT10s last year but then realized that you needed a Garmin Golf watch to use it. From looking at all the reviews, it never mentioned it so I returned them to Amazon. I didn't like the Arccos because of the link and the price it added to the package. Originally I didn't want to pay the $150/yr for the subscription but honestly, everything in golf is going that way so why fight it. There's a price to get the data and the analysis, so might as well pay it.
However, now that the Arccos can use the Apple Watch, I committed to them. I have the Ultra (upgraded from 6 because of battery life), and from everything I hear, it works perfect. I don't want another device (I'm a software engineer, I have plenty of devices) so being able to use everything I have is awesome. I'm looking forward to play my first round with them since we don't have snow anymore (I'm in Iowa), so I'll add more info here.
I love the videos you've done with this in the past, so thank you for all the research and honest opinions.
I like arccos a lot. I made a recommendation to Arccos to improve the preview caddie feature when planning a round at a new course. Arccos preview caddie will tell you the best combo of clubs to use based on yardages and accuracy. The problem is sometimes it will tell you to hit driver right between two bunkers where the fairway narrows. On GolfLogix I can plan my round much better but it doesn’t leverage my own stats. I hope they integrate this into the system because I like preparing for rounds and then recapping them just as you described in your review.
First time viewer! You present very well 👍
I have use Shot scope & Arccos and I would completely agree that Arccos is a much more polished system but I find that there isn't much of a different in the data that you get out. With the new X5 watch and the updates that are happening with the app and website, I have swapped back to shot scope.
Yeah I'm really interested to see how the X5 performs. Watch looks like a huge step up, and they've continued to improve the app for sure.
I went from Arccos to ShotScope because Arccos used to record bad data a lot. With ShotScope, I still have some issue here and there that I need to correct within the app but it's nothing in comparison to Arccos. Actually, I expected better from a solution that comes with a subscription.
To me, the only reason someone would prefer Arccos over the new X5 from ShotScope is because they would rather have an Apple watch on their wrist than a ShotScope watch.
I’ve had Garmin ct10’s and now I use shotscope. The ct10 tags were just too big for my liking. Although I quite liked the software. Shotscope tags are so small and lightweight they don’t distract me at all. Only downside with shotscope I find is the putting. The pin collect doesn’t always accurately record the pin position. Also putting often defaults to 2 feet when you get close to the pin. So I find the putting stats a bit useless. Often oversells the distance to the pin. The rest is great. I’ve got the v3 and it’s good for my needs. I’ll wait for the next version after the x5 to upgrade as I don’t feel I’ve had enough use out of this one to justify the upgrade.
I’m seriously looking to move from Arccos to the new Shot Scope X5. Great review.
@@nupezb I'm loving the X5, have it just over a week and it's really good. Dropped a few shots but nothing major
Like you I have around 300 recorded rounds on my Arccos dashboard. The good news for me was that I am grandfathered in and am not burdened with an annual subscription fee. I have recorded an average of 10 percent missed strikes per round, about half of them are putts. Also be aware that on a lot of single putts Arccos "gives" me 2 putts. All in all I have found that if you want accurate data you must edit every round. I have tried every method to get recording without editing including using the iPhone, Links (initial and new Connect version) and now my Series 7 Apple Watch. The number of missed strikes appears about the same no matter which method I attempted.
Prior to purchasing the Arccos system I used Game Golf but the Arccos app is infinitely better. I send my coach my rounds before I take a refresher hour of instruction and he seems to know instantly what to work on during the lesson.
I got the Arccos sensors for free, with a 90 day trial of their system. I cancelled just before the 90 days was up so I wouldn’t have to pay the annual fee…and I honestly don’t see any difference in the UI, because I do still use Arccos during my rounds. And I just let the app run the background as there are other Golf apps I also use during rounds, mainly the GHIN app. I also received a Garmin Finex 6X Pro for Fathers Day last year, and I love that watch, because I can track any activity known to man, including golf. Obviously I don’t have the Garmin sensors on top of my Arccos sensors, but the Garmin watch asks me which club I just hit, and tracks every shot even if I sometimes forget to let it know which club it was. I just go into the app after my round and assign the club I hit to the shot it detected. Most Garmin watches have the ability to track your golf too, it doesn’t have to be the Garmin Golf watches. I will say that the Garmin Golf app could use a facelift.
Great video I’ve been using the CT10 since 2019. The only down side with Garmin after paying £200+ for the sensors, you would have thought they would include the tool for removing the cap to replace the battery.
Had to buy one from Garmin it’s only plastic but it cost me £8 including post
All the things mentioned were valid. ARCCOS also has the coaching ability though I am not a coach so not sure about costs. I have been using ARCCOS for about 5 years, I think, without a doubt, it has had the biggest impact on my game improvement. I know how far each club goes, I know (as you point out) what areas need work, and at the beginning what club to select. It also helps when I am not in line of sight to the pin and can't use a range finder. Overall my handicap has gone from 16 to 4 using ARCCOS. I just wish that they weren't such Apple fan boys since I am a Samsung user, though I do have the link.
does it work okay with a samsung watch/phone?
@@ChrisFlips Yes I have both. I rarely use it with the watch but it works well.
I had the arccos but as you kind of hinted to, if you don't have apple watch it's really not a pleasant experience. I have the garmin S62 and will switching to the garmin caps this year.
You raise a good point around 7m "when it becomes a distraction and not an aid". I found using Arcoss on course a distraction eg pulling phone out to put score in then transfer strokes from one hole to another when things went wrong etc became problematic.
Having a Garmin watch which prompted me to enter score & putts etc when I was on green so much easier. Having said that Arcoss data was better than Garmin and if used in conjunction with Apple/Android watch app it could work well! I think the link belt thing is still required though otherwise you need to keep your phone in front pocket witch I also hated!
just got arccos last week after one of your vids, waiting on them to arrive :)
I use the shot scope and find it very good and simple to edit after the round
For the money it is miles better than the other systems, V3 for £150/$200 inc of watch and the tags.
The technical
Support if there are mapping issues or problems is fantastic, the course is re mapped typically within 24 hrs.
The X5 is being offered with £100 off for V3 users, a bargain if you have the spare cash. A better watch, on course editing improved tags gathering more data, you now can get a running score. Watch display similar to the GarminS62.
I am not buying one as my V3 works fine for me, I don’t play lots of strange courses so typically just need the distances to the green.
I really love my shot scope but as a gps watch it is no match for garmin. The data is a bit inaccurate, but moreover you dont get good course info. Sand, water - you have to guess which one it shows. No info on doglegs and so on.
Even basic garmin is way better.
@@MrMartwy never used the other watches, and as I generally play two courses I know my way around them it’s the distance and tracking I use. One thing I don’t like is the poor battery life about 10 hours max, which means it will do two 18 hole rounds and then getting very low on power and I typically do 18 in 3:45.
Ideally a hole layout showing where you are would be a useful feature esp for dog legs.
Excellent comparison between the three systems. I've used both Arccos and Shoptscope for some time now, Arccos since it debuted. I use one set with my Pings, and the other with my Mizuno. The V3 Shotscope Watch may be low on stock since the newer X5 has just been released and arrived yesterday. 😁
The Arccos software is by far the easier to use. I like that you can even edit DURING your round, after you finish playing a hole, which means that all shot data is finished/correct before the finished round is uploaded to the Arccos cloud. In the past I've gotten emails from Arccos as to why I was editing rounds so much ( a LOT of missed shots), that did not make me happy, as the emails sounded almost accusatory. Lately, I triggerred some bugs in the Shotscope post-round editing software, which Shotscope has said that they are fixing.
Always excellent and thorough. I live Arccos. Been using it for years now. Bummed it’s a subscription now…wasn’t originally, but it’s still the best since I use apple Ultra and have hundreds of rounds logged already….the data is unmatched.
this guy works for arccos lol
@@NJovo3D nothing could be more wrong. I wish though. Maybe when I retire from the military in a few years they’ll hire me. That would be cool.
@@petegalindez9961 that would be cool! Have them to get rid off subscription fees for military veterans...?
@@NJovo3D absolutely!
@@NJovo3D all that said, after my subscription for Arccos is up this year, I may switch over to Garmin or none at all…the overall data presentation from Arccos is the best, but not sure I really need all it offers, and paying a subscription just really puts me off…
Great review. Have been considering arccos or to just stick with stats from R10 and take that data to the course. Great review.
Imo, If you're already invested in an R10, you may as well stick with the Garmin ecosystem, unless spending $1000's on golf gear is pocket change for you.
V3 is probably sold out as they have just bought out the X5 to replace it. You need to get one to review as it seems to add a lot more features and I would like to know if I should replace my old V3 !
Yeah I'n sure that's what it is - poor timing on my part here! Hope to have one to review shortly!
Great video, Sean!
I'm a longtime S62 user but I don't really understand what the CT10 sensors would add above what I do now which is just selecting the club after each shot when prompted on the watch?
And I agree the Garmin Golf app is garbage.
I love the stats but Arcoss have a known issue with gps inaccuracy around the greens so your walking path to and from the hole is often in the wrong place. I have to fix the pin position on virtually every hole snd relocate my first putt.
Do you have a review of ( “Golf pad tags” ) product.
Love that you don’t need a subscription’ are they reliable as the other competitors.
Like Shot scope watch.
I already have a garmin golf watch. I’m cool with it & a Mevo
Although I like how it tracks your game as you go.
Oh one last question if you make a video of it. Can you also play your speaker while playing or will it conflict with the process. Thanks’ I like your videos 🤙🏼 🙌🏼 👍🏼
Arccos with Apple Watch Ultra is god-tier. Lasts 36 holes and the GPS is amazing. I enjoyed Shotscope V3 when I had it, but the dealbreaker for me was that Shotscope didn't have any course maps on my phone while I played, so I'd have to be doing Shotscope AND have The Grint or something open to see what each hole was doing and map out my strategy. Looks like Shot Scope is about to drop a new watch, which is cool, but since i already have an Apple Watch that also gives me notifications and stuff while on the course, doubt I'll go back to it unless they allow you to bring your own Apple Watch instead of building somewhat sub-par watches themselves.
Yeah that's a great point. Having both the full maps/course data on your phone PLUS everything the Caddie feature provides on Arccos is super useful. Curious to see how much hole data there is on the new X5 watch.
@@breakingeighty I have high hopes that the X5 watch will be a much better setup for those without an Apple watch. The X3 felt too much like a rebranded Pebble watch (anyone remember those) and was very clunky in real use not to mention the proprietary charging.
@@davepinke I play with the ShotScope watch on my wrist while using the 18Birdies app at the same time. I think it's the best of both worlds. I haven't use Arccos in a long time but I doubt their app is better than 18Birdies. With Arccos, if you want to use 18Birdies you end up paying for 2 subscriptions 😕
Not sure if you have a comparison video but what’s your opinion of a watch vs range finder?
It honestly comes down to personal preference. The reality is most people dont need the exact distance a rangefinder provides. But there's also a lot of people that dont want to deal with more tech on the golf course. And some people want both! So it really comes down to how you want to experience your rounds of golf.
Good comparison, BUT shotscope is rolling out their V5 watch. Because of this it's a little bit of an outdated review considering I got the v5 $200. With that being said I still really appreciate the review and keep up the good work👍
2 questions:
You mentioned arccos showing more data. What exactly are you thinking about? Is it the ability to use sliders to only consider shots from a small bucket? Or is there anything else I'm missing?
And why does the Garmin laser connects to an app? What does it provide?
The Garmin rangefinder will allow you to keep score in it, which you can upload to the app if you want to use it to keep score. When you're connected to the app you also get wind speed/direction, as well as essentially the equivalent of "find my iPhone". If you forget the rangefinder, the app will beep at you so you don't lose it.
As for Arccos, the scatter charts are what I find most useful. And I believe you can only get those when using the desktop dashboard.
So you ever review any of the skycaddie offerings for all of these different products?
Watches, handheld gps, launch monitor, shot trackers, they have them all.
Honestly, I havent had a chance to review any yet, but hope to soon!
How do the Garmin sensors work with the EPIX 2 or Phoenix watches? Just as well?
Great review, albeit a couple days late. LOL. My Shot Scope V3, which I purchased from Play Better, arrived last Thursday. In my excitement to use it, I played 27 holes yesterday in 45 F weather with 25-40 mph winds (7 degrees C, 22-35 knots). I didn't play well in that wind and cold, but I enjoyed the watch immensely, and the data that I received afterwords was accurate. It did miss 2 shots, which I had to edit, which was easy.
I think your analysis was dead on. I would add one thing. I opted for the V3 because I am new to shot tracking, and I'm not sure it is something I will use. With it's much lower price, the V3 is an easy entry point. If I decide that I want more later, I'm sure I can sell the V3 and buy a more expensive system.
BTW, I have to wonder if the reason the V3 was price reduced, and now shows as out of stock, is because the X5 is it's replacement, and the V3 will be discontinued.
Just don't put too much stock in your stats from that round! Only gonna get better from here with warmer days and less wind :)
And yes, I think that's exactly what is happening, the X5 is the new V3. Which is good and bad. Because to your point, when you could get the V3 for under $200, it makes it easier to jump in. Now at $299, it's more of an upfront investment. You can almost get Arccos and 2 years of the subscription for the same price (Arccos would be about $20 more, after our discount).
Regardless, there's not a bad option!
@@breakingeighty Hehe, I figured it would could me a nice starting point, from which the only way was up. ;)
I upgraded to an X5. Initially I was disappointed because it had some major bugs, but after a couple of months, those were all fixed. It is a much better watch than the V3, with far fewer misrecorded shots. My only issues now are the short battery life (~7 hours) and the fact that I sometimes put my hands behind my back when watching others putt, which brushes the face of the touchscreen against my back, causing the watch to record a 2-putt par.
As a comparison of these three systems , this is a great video.
Personally I find the Shot Scope app to be quite fiddly when trying to add missed shots or penalties. But I can’t compare it to the Arcos as I haven’t use that.
When the X5 came out, it had a lot of glitches, but after a few firmware updates, and with some updates to the App as well, it is much improved, and a very good watch.
Arccos is great but I would rather spend £125 a year on lessons than a subscription just got the Shot scope H4 and works really well and the sensors come with the product with no subscription waiting to upload my first round to check the data, but on a budget this is the best option in my opinion
If I use the Garmin Golf app, but don't have a watch, will the garmin ct10 still send the data to the app? Haven't found a clear answer on that. Love the video!
No they pair with watch
Lol my Arrcos sub runs out next week and am considering a switch PERFECTLY timed
Ha! Let me know if I can answer any questions to help you make that choice.
You should really look into the Shot scope system
@@breakingeighty my biggest issue with Arrcos is (1) putting stats/pin setting (2) yeah I don’t like the subscription. I have an Apple Watch but do NOT want to wear it while swinging a club so I’m like do I switch to the shotscope H3 or can I just pull the watch out on the green and press a button to set the pin location by gps. Not too keen on buying the clip on just seems like allot of money to do one thing
@@DannyKelliher that’s what I’m looking at H3 - how easy is it to set exact pin locations? That’s my biggest problem with Arrcos
@@clw22580 Totally get it. It's worth trying to keep your watch in your pocket and pulling it out. It might work. Also, I should know this, but I assume these days the phone has the same hit a button to set the pin feature as the watch. All of my most recent rounds have just used the watch, so I haven't done it this way. And honestly, the ShotScope V3/X5 are great, but you're still wearing a watch. The H4 is the one where you don't need a watch, but having to tap your belt before every shot is a total dealbreaker for me and interrupts the round too much.
Moved from Arccos to Shotscope and find it much better for not missing strokes, no subscription, no need to have an app active on my phone wasting the battery, price and the strokes gained data is similar. It was also hit and miss getting the Arccos sensors to pair during set up.
Any tips to keep these CT10s from falling out of the grip? One YT video says he cemented them with glue- but what happens when you get new grips? Sounds like a common issue even when tightened into the grip. Thank you
I own a ShotScope H4 and its sensors and decided to 'upgrade' to the Garmin system this golf season. Despite my appreciation for the Garmin watch, I find the sensors to be markedly inferior in comparison to those of ShotScope. The Garmin sensors consistently demand re-tightening or simply dislodge easily falling to the ground during a shot, proving to be a distraction during a round. The design of Garmin sensors appears to be fundamentally flawed, and I am not alone in voicing this grievance.
In essence, the ShotScope stands out as a notably more cost-effective solution, particularly well-suited for golf. Once affixed to the club ends, the ShotScope sensors become inconspicuous. Opting for the Garmin system, with its subpar sensor design, seems justified only if you intend to track a variety of activities in addition to golf. The Garmin system excels in multi-activity tracking, but for dedicated golf enthusiasts, the ShotScope remains a better choice.
BTW, the better comparison would be the ShotScope X5.
I wanted to love shot scope. Easy to use and the watch is good on course. But it is way too inaccurate to be useful and I've had to go through and adjust literally every shot most rounds. Which takes about an hour. But that's all a moot point now anyway since i can't charge it using the proprietary charger.... It simply doesn't charge any more. So great concept but not quite there yet. I think i will try the Garmin as i do like having a watch
Will the Arccos sensors work with the Garmin S62 watch?
I had the previous generation of the Shot Scope and was happy with it up until the watch stopped charging and SS said it was out of warranty. I took advantage of their offer for previous customers on the X5 and boy was it a disappointment. Way too many issues with the watch not responding, taking forever to load, missing shots and giving bad numbers. I think the potential is there but they released it way too soon. I returned it and am now looking at the Arccos system.
Yes, there were a lot of bugs in the X5, but after a couple firmware updates and some app updates, it works great now. The only problem I have now is that when watching others putt, I sometimes put my hands behind my back, which activates the touchscreen and records 2 putts and par. I'm working on breaking that habit. ;)
CT-10 Putter Sensors - With the new oversize putter grips I could not attach the sensor to the putter. I did get the CT-10 3 pack. On my older putter I cut off part of the stem for it to screw in. My latest putter that will not work. I see Shot Scope offers a flat sensor which you can glue onto the grip. I have searched the Garmin forums and there are plenty of complaints there. To your point, seems as though the CT-10 was an afterthought. And they are making no effort to remedy this issue. For the record, I have the S62. Is a fantastic watch. Just find the data analysis pretty weak.
How does putting work? How does it know where the hole is?
I just bought the garmin s70 . By far the best watch for golf . I can imagine how much better it is with the sensors.
It's no better with sensors. The garmin data on the app is shockingly poor
@@Tubezilla I don't find it that bad but what I don't like is that you need to have the app on for the watch to be able to get a wind reading.
what if you do punch shots regularly? using a 7 iron for punch shot for 130 yards type of thing.
So any subscription with Garmin?
I used the Arccos system for years always hoping that they fixed the missed shots and shots appearing on the wrong hole issues. I tried the newer Apple Watch and their remote sensor but never got better. I spent literally hours after the round editing incorrect and missed shots. I was thinking of trying another product, but if this is systemic of all the devices - forget it!
Hi. I’m beginner and I mostly want the data from driving range. It seems none of these would work on that because it uses GPS to track distance. Is there any value of having these in a range or is there a better product for beginners to get the data to become better
Nope, none of these will really be what you're looking for on the range. For that you'll want to get a launch monitor.. This will get a good intro to some options: ruclips.net/video/k9Dyzq5yVgs/видео.html. But as a beginner, I'd look at the Rapsodo MLM, Swing Caddie SC4, or FlightScope Mevo.
Question I do NOT want to wear my Apple Watch my biggest problem is Arrcos putting stats bc setting the pin on the phone is a PAIN can you just pull out the watch when you are on the green to set the pin locations?
Short answer is yes! So when you're wearing the Apple Watch, a screen will literally pop up when you're on the green and it'll say "set pin location". So I just walk to the pin when I get to the green, tap the button, and you're good to go. That said, I know you mentioned you didn't want to wear your watch - so not sure how well it would work if you weren't actually wearing it and just pulling it out for this purpose.
@@breakingeighty thanks! I can certainly put it on while walking on the green I just do not like the feel of a watch on for a full swing. Gonna try it out this week to see if that resolves my biggest gripe (putting stats)
@@clw22580 @Breaking Eighty At the beginning of your round you have to select your detection method, so if you choose the Apple watch you have to wear it for the whole round or it won't detect your shots. I, too, don't like swinging with a watch on so I bought the Arccos Link which just clips onto your pocket and detects all your shots for you. It functions the same way as the watch where you just walk to the pin on the green and tap the button once and it marks the pin location.
@@NoPlayJack thanks sounds like I gotta choose (1) switch to shot scope (2) keep paying for Arrcos as is and have inaccurate/bad putting stats (3) buy the $200 link which is more than an entire permanent shot scope setup
I got the Garmin S70 and the CT10 starter pack that I use on my wedges and putter since those are the clubs that are least likely to register on the watch. Am I missing something by not getting the CT10 sensors for the other 11 clubs?
It just makes it a lot easier and more accurate to get data for the rest of the clubs. Personally I'd consider putting one on the driver. I've found the S70 and Epix tracking to work pretty well, but I've had more missed shots just doing that than when using dedicated sensors.
I love my arccos. Definitely not for everyone but if you love tech they are great. They started giving 3 free sensors with each year sub, so will never have to buy sensors.
I've had a shotscope v3 for 2 years. My main frustration is that editing must be done after the round is finished. Which is fine on my home course. But troublesome everywhere else as I can't remember all my shots in a course I'm not familiar with.
So I gave a try to arccos. And the arccos dashboard is just crap in comparison to the shotscope one. First the design is like the Web in 1999. Then the shot editor is not using the same map on iPhone and on the Web, so the shots don't appear in the same place. Then the shot editor locks you on a very small part of the map that sometimes doesn't include part of the hole (I've had multiple occurrences of the tee box being too far away, and I don't play championship fees). Then the putting stats are poor because only the first putt is placed on the map. Oh and the grid on the green view is only available in 10 feet increments, sad for people using meters.
Final disappointment with arccos is partially on me. I was mostly looking for the ability to edit a hole while playing. But I have an iPhone 8, which just isn't bright enough to be readable.
On a positive note, arccos tags indeed feel like they use better plastic than shotscope. But having to worry about the battery and using sound is less than ideal.
So I think I'll go back to shotscope with the X5. They already announced that they'll add new features such as a map overview on the watch, similar to what Garmin does.
At this point to me the best solution would probably be a Garmin s62 without the tags but with a data platform similar to arccos/shotscope. Tags aren't really critical. The watch guesses the right club most of the time and it's super quick to change to another one on the good quality screen when it isn't the case.
Regarding the future, shotscope will have a new version of the v3 next year. And arccos apparently has a big announcement soon, but no idea what it is about. I'd guess the ability to play with an apple watch without tags.
I like Arccos and I really love the fact that it integrates so well with the Apple watch, but the subscription has got too expensive imo. Shot Scope could really take a chunk out of Arccos if they sold a sensor bundle that does auto shot tracking and pairs with the Apple watch (and maybe other smart watches) without any sort of subscription. I'd happily pay £150 for the sensors if it meant being able to get rid of paying a subscription.
already owning an Approach S70 would it make more sense to go with the Garmin CT10's due to the integration between the two seamlessly?
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Problem in annual subscription… is we also have a winter! It becomes expensive for almost 4 months if real usage…
I'm working on a whole review of Garmin CT10s but the TLDR is: If you want help with autoscoring holes and some REALLY basic chipping data, get 3-4 sensors and put them on your putter and wedges only. I often hear this recommendation to put it on your driver, but anything full shot is getting picked up by the watch anyways. I've never had a 100+ yard shot missed by the watch tracking alone.
I want the arccos data, but the garmin watch experience, when will garmin make their golf app better or Arccos make a fully featured apple watch app ahhhhh
I'm a longtime S62 user but I don't really understand what the CT10 sensors would add above what I do now which is just selecting the club after each shot when prompted on the watch?
@@andyallaway6097 the only thing it adds is the ability to pick up small shots like a chip and run 5 yards off the green which the watch never picks up and more importantly putts. You can’t get putting data without a sensor (but you have to move the flag around manually on the green view which is mega tedious)
@@PJo336 Got it, thanks.
How comparable is the battery drain on the Apple Watch between using Arccos and Golfshot Plus? Currently, I always run that through the round and have never had an issue with battery life at all. Only reason I ask is that my Apple Watch is a Series 5 and you noted there could be a concern for Series 6 and earlier.
Never mind. Found out playing 9 today. Battery drain from Arccos is no joke since it has the mic activated the whole time. I'll need to do some serious battery management until I upgrade my watch. Kind of a bummer but Arccos worked very well for it being the first round with it.
Had You re-done this one with the ShotScope X5/V5 instead, what would be different (since Arccos & CT10 are still same/same)? What would You conlusion have been?
If any use the V5. The touch and battery of the x5 are bad.
I have the shit scope and the sensor durability is awful. The putter sensor broke first and a few others followed not long after. Removed the sensors and still use the watch but miss the shit tracking data
I use the grint app which gives me all the info I need.
I could live with the missed shots on arccos. The thing that ultimately made me quit using it was every time I would walk through a shadow or play in the evening and I was checking yardages, my phone would detect the lighting change and go into sleep mode like it was in my pocket. I could never figure out how to turn this feature off. It was so infuriating
I know this is a tag review but the garmin watch is light years ahead of the other two. Only neeed a tag on putter and you get all the data plus virtual caddie and many other features no one else has.
The course I play has poor cell reception. Will that impact the ability to use Arccos?
You'll just want to download the course data beforehand. Then you should be able to use it no problem.
Wonder if anyone has used Arccos on a Samsung Galaxy (newest one) watch instead of the Apple Watch. I'm debating buying the bundle with the Link clip or buy without and hope the watch works well enough.
Shotscope just launched its new watch - the "X5" (sounds like a BMW) Looks like a wannabe Garmin S62, curious how it turns out.
I used Arccos for 2 years and switched to Shotscope towards the end of last year. Shotscope is very user friendly, but I think im going to get a newer apple watch and go back to Arccos soon, there is just so much more detail in the stats (wish the sensors were more streamlined though).
Yeah timing didn't exactly line up since I released this video the day they announced the X5! Agree on the BMW reference, especially considering that's what I drive ha. But very much excited to test our and see how the new watch compares to the V3.
The shot scope band tends to die and stop connecting to the tabs
I will assume this is only for good golfers? What happens if you suck or a high handicap player? I can assume it won't help much as we tend not to hit the ball that well?
Had arccos for two years and although it missed quite a few shots it eventually locked out between my watch and phone.they were unable to communicate and after two months Arccos could not fix it.I have now ordered a shot scope and will replace my grips and start again.
Arccos is out for me with subscription base. Im surprised ppl are even using it. Over the course of a few years you could by the garmin wstch and sensors and you'll be ahead. As mentioned in other coments. With a garmin watch you dont even have to have sensors because the watch will ask you what club you hit. I bought a ct10 sensor for my putter which is the only club the garmin watch doesn't track.
Hey, I'm trying to order the X5 from shot scope and your referral code gives me: Sorry, this coupon is not applicable to selected products.
Yeah unfortunately the referral code isn’t available for the x5 yet…
@@drinkbeerandtravel Ha, appreciate you! IF you clicked the link, I still got a small cut, but just hope you're happy with the product! I've got one ready to review, it's just been....pouring. Also, probably should have switched my YT accounts for this comment. Oh well :)
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Arccos is awesome. They need to make it possible to pay monthly.
Ok, after using shotscope for 2 years now: My first x3 broke apart, probsbly it didn't like the heat of the summer, got replacement. Then switched to the X5 with touchscreen, and I would not recommand that. I have now my 3rd x5, multiple problems, mainly battery but also software issues and the touch is just not responsive. Great customer service, the just keep replacing, but I've lost my trust in the product. Especially as it disturbed 2 of my main tournaments and stopped working during play...
Arccos is not an option due to subscription and the apple watch only, and garmin seems to be too expensive and the app just not up to shotscope or arccos.
So basically none of them are good enough to bring added value to my game.
I just hated arccos. The Battery life makes it a killer for me. Constantly recharging an Apple Watch, worrying about if the battery will last for an 18 Hole round just can't compare to the Garmin S70 Golf Watch. I can play 10 18 Hole rounds without recharging on this one!
Here's a hack for Arccos, I bought a dozen Srixon golf balls and then sent me a coupon for free sensors, just had to pay $10 shipping.
Anything that is req a sub is a no-go for me. Its like you cannot buy anything these days without a sub…. It has to stop. I am ok with buying upgrades at my own pace.
These are nothing but a dustraction and gimmick. I shoot high 80's and know my exact strengths and weknesses with a tracking device...lol....these just take your focus away from executing on the course
If only I liked apple
No one on the internet drives under 300 yards
I must be the only one then...ha
"Less Expensive" not "Cheaper"...
Its amazing how allergic i am to subscriptions. It could be the best system by a million miles, as soon as i hear subscription. I am out.
How much did ARCO's pay you? It SUCKS for the $ and to charge a fee. Maybe good for the CCP watch user, Mac CCP laptop or MS CCP computer. Actually, Game Golf live blew ARCOS away in so many way and it's unfortunate the company didn't survive! Also the accuracy with ARCOS is questionable! Far too labor intensive which interrupts a golfer's focus and rhythm!