Two of my 308"s love 42 gr Varget with 168 Hornady HPBT under 1/2". 1.3 inches at 385 yds. New Bergara with only 50 rounds through it is running 3/4 to 7/8 on a windy day. Cut it back a little .I'll take 100 fps less for half the group size.
I have a savage model 12 heavy barrel I love the 168 grain Amax with a reloader 15 . 43 grains it does will may want to try some with Re15 power with fed 210m primers . Also it is a great building for Whitetail deer push them down in their tracks🤷🏼♂️
I never had much luck with the varget powder. If you get a chance try Alliant reloader 15 or IMR 4064 or 4320. Those have always been the go to around here. 👍🏻
Eagle Eye Shooting My rifles both like 44.5 of 4064 with 150 sst’s. I just load to my savage 99’s and luckily it works in the bolt gun really well. Same with 4320 I used 46.0 and Reloader 15 is 46.5 gr. All with 150 sst’s and lower pressure because of the lever action. Hate beating it up. You can go higher with the bolt.
Same here. My 16" .308 might as well be running factory loads, when I load with Varget. Nothing I did got it dialed until I switched to 4064. Same head space, primer, and bullets. Tightened everything up nicely.
Great video, Brother. You’re gonna get deep in that rabbit hole, huh?! 🤠 I haven’t ventured into neck turning or volume measuring yet, but I can feel it coming.
Loved the timelapse/ slide show opening. The transparent logo screen was pretty BA as well. I need to get back to innovating with my video production if I'm going to keep up. Those loads are pretty durn hot. So it seems that Varget is case capacity sensitive, I will keep that in mind. Thank you sir. Nathan
Hey Kenny, I have a Remington 308 heavy barrel, and would like to try the Sierra 175 Matchking bullet. I would like to see some load data on some powders to try for a starting point. Great videos! Keep up the good work.
Hey Everett! Thanks for the suggestion. I have a few 175 SMK. Ill definitely give that a try. I have H4350 and W760 that may work for that weight as well as IMR4064. Any other powders you may think work? Ill probably perform a Satterlee method and I do have a K&M Neck Turner that ill see if itll tighten up groups. Last thing im going to test is Starline offers .308 match brass in a Small Rifle Primer. In my experience so far SRP seems to give a better velocity and pressure curve giving a slight advantage in load development. May be the same here?
@@EagleEyeShooting I would like to see the results of your tests. I have read that Varget is a good choice for powder with the heavier grain bullets in a 308. I have Lapua brass that I will do my testing with, I am just not sure about "small rifle primer" brass? I know a lot of people use it. Thanks for the reply, and I have subscribed to your channel so I wont miss anything.
Hey JCM! Thank-you! I have a cast load worked up for it with pistol powder around 2k fps that seems to work good. I think Ocean374 will like it for his shoulder. Gonna film that soon👍
I have to say your the man Kenny your so Busy my friend you motivate me !!!! I can’t wait to get my reloading room up and running .. ok the next video I want to see is Eagle Eye ROCKING THE PATCH ha ha ha
Actually I'm going to test a Satterlee with IMR4064. I wanted to get some rounds down the pipe and somewhat polish the rifling, also get some trigger time to get a feel. I swear by that Satterlee method. It just works!
RL26 w heavier bullets. Ive got sone 178 amax preloaded got for $17 box. 2580 fps i wonder how they shoot in 1-12 compass. I doubt the 208 amax will stabilize in 1-12 compass. Maybe w rl26 ? Or H450 old powder fr ww1. Awsome powder & hard to find. I'll take 8lb if u locate 😆 lol great job brother.
I love these load development videos! Is it possible that the same 44.6 grain loads could show pressure signs when fired from a different rifle? Some day I would like to start reloading, though I have to find a place to shoot that's affordable. I really miss having public land to shoot on.
maybe if the lans were closer or something like that. Bullet seating depth would definitely be a factor as well. Hodgdon is showing 46 and 45 grains as being max for 2 different 168's though you should* be fine assuming you are loading to 2.800"+ and that the rifle's chamber isn't cut funky and are using standard non magnum primers (and 308 brass, I'd drop a grain for 7.62x51). www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle
Hey Texican! The two biggest variables that may put you in the pressure zone is exactly what colson mentioned above. Seating depth. The reloading manual states to seat at 2.800 with this bullet. Im 75 thou farther out which in most all stick powders will lower pressure. Though im 8 thousandths off the lands with my chamber, someone else's chamber may need the bullet seated further in eg. AR10. Reloading manuals like to stay on the safe side for legal reasons thus usually leave 10% or more error before reaching saami spec cartridge pressures. The second biggest variable here is the scales. Mine could be off a few grains or vise versa to yours due to quality, altitude, pressure. In all regards these two variables are what folks urge caution when using loads published outside load manuals. From my observations on others, they're loads developed usually fall within a couple grains from what I found to work for me. IMO it's because there is only a handful of manufacturers that produce steel for our barrels. The material used is close to one another so harmonics will be near the same. This is an excellent question!
Hey David! Yes that was a known issue on these. The Scope Bases. From factory they are caked with oil. I degreased all surfaces and re torqued. Checked the scope level when I got home shining a flashlight down the front lens to project the reticle on the wall with a plumb bob. No movement. I have some 150gr loaded up and I have a feeling this gun will like that load. Any suggestions?
If I measure my 168 cust comps base to ogive there's a lot of variation, I found the sierra matchking was much more accurate and measured more consistently
seating depth if not correct will loose accuracy, too many worry about the bullet seating out too far, and worry too much about less jump. lots of factory ammo these days shoot really tight groups and they are all seated the same depth depth, eg factory Remington 17 ammo in the 1980s in a tikka i could cover a 5 shot group with a 5c coin (8mm) at 200 yards. we could not load that accurate back then it was easier to just buy a pack. with that accuracy we missed very very few foxes, and 1 fox skin paid for 20 more shots. varget is Australian ar2208 rebranded for the usa market
It's amazing how people tend to hang targets with little or no consideration on what damage their bullets will do! Instead of hanging between the supports, you hung your target and shot up the wood. That's OK someone else will repair your damage!
Check out 243 Outdoor's load development with the TC Compass in .308 here:
ruclips.net/video/jGuJBGb2J3k/видео.html
1 shot groups seems to be my sweet spot. No fliers.
Why The Flier!!
lol
Two of my 308"s love 42 gr Varget with 168 Hornady HPBT under 1/2". 1.3 inches at 385 yds. New Bergara with only 50 rounds through it is running 3/4 to 7/8 on a windy day. Cut it back a little .I'll take 100 fps less for half the group size.
Thanks for the video! I have this gun and will be using this info to help start my own load work up!
Hey Justin! Thanks for dropping by. Got lots planned with this rifle and some load development. Hope I can help.
5R rifling likes it hot. My compact TC Compass 2 with 16" barrel likes 168gr Sierra Match HPBT @ 2575 fps.
I have a savage model 12 heavy barrel I love the 168 grain Amax with a reloader 15 . 43 grains it does will may want to try some with Re15 power with fed 210m primers . Also it is a great building for Whitetail deer push them down in their tracks🤷🏼♂️
I dig the testing to dial in a load for a good round....Lots of good learning....Good stuff.....
Hey brother thanks for the input! Learning together! Thanks for dropping by
I never had much luck with the varget powder. If you get a chance try Alliant reloader 15 or IMR 4064 or 4320. Those have always been the go to around here. 👍🏻
Hey Mike! I got some 4064 that ill give it a try on a Satterlee Method. By any chance do you know what grain your rifle like so I can compare?
Eagle Eye Shooting My rifles both like 44.5 of 4064 with 150 sst’s. I just load to my savage 99’s and luckily it works in the bolt gun really well. Same with 4320 I used 46.0 and Reloader 15 is 46.5 gr. All with 150 sst’s and lower pressure because of the lever action. Hate beating it up. You can go higher with the bolt.
Same here. My 16" .308 might as well be running factory loads, when I load with Varget. Nothing I did got it dialed until I switched to 4064. Same head space, primer, and bullets. Tightened everything up nicely.
Great video, Brother. You’re gonna get deep in that rabbit hole, huh?! 🤠 I haven’t ventured into neck turning or volume measuring yet, but I can feel it coming.
Unfortunately im stuck in the abyss of reloading haha. I'm hoping to just be satisfied on hitting a target one day 😂
Horizontal stringing seat them out, vertical seat them deeper, triangular is adjust powder. Advice from a sniper friend
Loved the timelapse/ slide show opening. The transparent logo screen was pretty BA as well. I need to get back to innovating with my video production if I'm going to keep up. Those loads are pretty durn hot. So it seems that Varget is case capacity sensitive, I will keep that in mind. Thank you sir.
Nathan
Thanks Nathan! Yes sir Varget likes to be loaded packed tight in my experience. I start 2 grain under listed max usually
Very well made video. Well presented and well filmed and edited.
Thanks! If you need any help let me know
My .270 Compass shoots .5" groups with value-priced hunting ammo.
Hey Kenny, I have a Remington 308 heavy barrel, and would like to try the Sierra 175 Matchking bullet. I would like to see some load data on some powders to try for a starting point.
Great videos! Keep up the good work.
Hey Everett! Thanks for the suggestion. I have a few 175 SMK. Ill definitely give that a try. I have H4350 and W760 that may work for that weight as well as IMR4064. Any other powders you may think work? Ill probably perform a Satterlee method and I do have a K&M Neck Turner that ill see if itll tighten up groups. Last thing im going to test is Starline offers .308 match brass in a Small Rifle Primer. In my experience so far SRP seems to give a better velocity and pressure curve giving a slight advantage in load development. May be the same here?
@@EagleEyeShooting I would like to see the results of your tests. I have read that Varget is a good choice for powder with the heavier grain bullets in a 308. I have Lapua brass that I will do my testing with, I am just not sure about "small rifle primer" brass? I know a lot of people use it. Thanks for the reply, and I have subscribed to your channel so I wont miss anything.
Looking good,,I have found, like you ,,Varget likes to take up the volume to shoot good 👍👍
Great value firearms for sure nice video brother hope your son enjoys it
Can't wait to see him hit his first 1k target. Gonna get that on film for sure. Thanks brother!
@@EagleEyeShooting will be epic and amazing a proud moment for you indeed brother
Those last shots was pretty good I take that sorry I miss the chat I was so tired thanks for the invite
Not a problem bud. Hey i got some cast loads that are a nice soft shooter and about moa at 100 yards 2k fps using pistol powder you might like
That’s awesome looking forward to it
On a bench i shot 1/2 to 1/4 groups wit my thompson 308. Very nice rifle. Bolt action is a. Little stiff at first
What's the twist rate on that barrel?. T/C seems to produce some good factory equipment
I believe its a 1-12. Ill be swapping that barrel off of it also soon though. Not getting the results im looking for
That 44.6 grouped good my friend
Interesting stuff. Thanks Kenny👍
Hey JCM! Thank-you! I have a cast load worked up for it with pistol powder around 2k fps that seems to work good. I think Ocean374 will like it for his shoulder. Gonna film that soon👍
Cool! Looking forward to it, Eagle👍
I have to say your the man Kenny your so Busy my friend you motivate me !!!! I can’t wait to get my reloading room up and running .. ok the next video I want to see is Eagle Eye ROCKING THE PATCH ha ha ha
Gonna rock the patch box haha
Varget is to bad with pressure. Have you considered going Saterlee and finding your nodes and pressures?
Actually I'm going to test a Satterlee with IMR4064. I wanted to get some rounds down the pipe and somewhat polish the rifling, also get some trigger time to get a feel. I swear by that Satterlee method. It just works!
RL26 w heavier bullets. Ive got sone 178 amax preloaded got for $17 box. 2580 fps i wonder how they shoot in 1-12 compass. I doubt the 208 amax will stabilize in 1-12 compass. Maybe w rl26 ? Or H450 old powder fr ww1. Awsome powder & hard to find. I'll take 8lb if u locate 😆 lol great job brother.
Good show Thanks
Just seeing this now . I have not tried 168gr in my 308 just 150 & 165. Is your son named Hawkeye?
I love these load development videos! Is it possible that the same 44.6 grain loads could show pressure signs when fired from a different rifle? Some day I would like to start reloading, though I have to find a place to shoot that's affordable. I really miss having public land to shoot on.
maybe if the lans were closer or something like that. Bullet seating depth would definitely be a factor as well. Hodgdon is showing 46 and 45 grains as being max for 2 different 168's though you should* be fine assuming you are loading to 2.800"+ and that the rifle's chamber isn't cut funky and are using standard non magnum primers (and 308 brass, I'd drop a grain for 7.62x51). www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle
@@colsoncustoms8994 Thank you!
Hey Texican! The two biggest variables that may put you in the pressure zone is exactly what colson mentioned above. Seating depth. The reloading manual states to seat at 2.800 with this bullet. Im 75 thou farther out which in most all stick powders will lower pressure. Though im 8 thousandths off the lands with my chamber, someone else's chamber may need the bullet seated further in eg. AR10. Reloading manuals like to stay on the safe side for legal reasons thus usually leave 10% or more error before reaching saami spec cartridge pressures.
The second biggest variable here is the scales. Mine could be off a few grains or vise versa to yours due to quality, altitude, pressure. In all regards these two variables are what folks urge caution when using loads published outside load manuals.
From my observations on others, they're loads developed usually fall within a couple grains from what I found to work for me. IMO it's because there is only a handful of manufacturers that produce steel for our barrels. The material used is close to one another so harmonics will be near the same.
This is an excellent question!
@@EagleEyeShooting Thanks again brother! I honestly think this stuff is cool. Someday I'll join the brotherhood.
Do you check your scope to make sure its still tight on the rifle ?
Hey David! Yes that was a known issue on these. The Scope Bases. From factory they are caked with oil. I degreased all surfaces and re torqued. Checked the scope level when I got home shining a flashlight down the front lens to project the reticle on the wall with a plumb bob. No movement. I have some 150gr loaded up and I have a feeling this gun will like that load. Any suggestions?
Yes my compass shot the 150 hornady whitetail about dime@100
Nice video brother. Highboy
Thanks Highboy! This rifle is being extremely picky. Almost got it though.
If I measure my 168 cust comps base to ogive there's a lot of variation, I found the sierra matchking was much more accurate and measured more consistently
What's the thread size for the muzzle brake?
5/8x24
seating depth if not correct will loose accuracy, too many worry about the bullet seating out too far, and worry too much about less jump.
lots of factory ammo these days shoot really tight groups and they are all seated the same depth depth, eg factory Remington 17 ammo in the 1980s in a tikka i could cover a 5 shot group with a 5c coin (8mm) at 200 yards.
we could not load that accurate back then it was easier to just buy a pack.
with that accuracy we missed very very few foxes, and 1 fox skin paid for 20 more shots.
varget is Australian ar2208 rebranded for the usa market
Don't assume. It's definitely a piss poor barrel. Bore cam footage shown many tooling marks. Changed it to a 6mm CM now
Your to low on powder charge with Varget
308 Win
Varget with WW Brass and CCI BR2 primers 2.800”
155 grain bullet, 47.8 grains
168 grain bullet, 46.0 grains ( High Node)
168 grain bullet, 42.9 grains ( low node)
175 grain bullet, 45.0 grains (an all around favorite)
180 grain bullet, 44.1 grains
IMR 4064
Fed GM brass and Fed 210 match
168 grain bullet, 42.8 grains
175 grain bullet, 41.75grains
Duplicate Fed GM loads
I even shot 2 rounds in the same hole
Not bad at all
It's amazing how people tend to hang targets with little or no consideration on what damage their bullets will do! Instead of hanging between the supports, you hung your target and shot up the wood. That's OK someone else will repair your damage!
What the hell does this even mean? And why does it matter negatron? Its my personal range. On my property...
Somebody ain't getting any pussy