Stop Wasting Components Doing Seating Depth!
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"Defend what I had already won instead of trying to win the next match." That is some profound stuff that resonated well with me.
inspired
AMEN
Please don't apologise for late uploads. 100% quality over quantity. You are brilliant at what you do. :)
Exactly... I don.t expect these videos... I appreciate the sharing of knowledge
I watched one of your older videos on seating depth and running it in .003 increments. I'd never done that and thought it was crazy at the time. I was loading some 52gr Sierra hpbt in an ar platform for varmint management and they shot bad throughout the range of the load. I was limited on powder choices at the moment and actually had a very low sd load but the group was terrible. So I went after seating depth per your video I had watched.
Being limited on mag length in an ar I started giving it more jump. .006 in and it shot a .456 five round group. With the same powder, same load that previously shot horrible. Not F class material I know but for blasting critters coming after my chicken coup it's just fine. And this was a dpms varmint upper I cut, crowned and threaded myself. Nothing special. This method works.
Thanks for sharing the wisdom. Saves me money lol.
I'm a new subscriber and really appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I've reloaded pistol and shotgun rounds over the years, decided to start shooting rifles so the reloading lessons will definitely speed up my learning curve. Thanks
Your videos are a great help to me. Appreciate the no nonsense approach. Good luck at the SWN!
I appreciate your logic in that two shot "group." So many people think 5 shots (of wasted ammo) is somehow a magic number....as opposed to say 1, 2 or 7 shots.
I bring my RCBS press to the range to do seating depth tests. It’s a pain but worthwhile on components. Good idea to always load long and do final seating later. You never know when things will change. Thanks for the video Keith!
So now I'm going to redo everything I loaded for my seating depth testing. Great video Keith. Thank you.
Great video as usual. I also use the same target upside down because I like putting my dot on the center of the cross. I also use a plumb bob to ensure they are perfectly vertical. Not needed but something I do.
Really good advice. The summary is start long and seat deeper until a contiguous range of small groups is found. Record everything!
Just found your channel. I don’t have thousands of hours or even hundreds of ours behind a firearm. Your videos have me thinking more along the lines of building my understanding of what I have. Building confidence and competence where I am at. Thanks
Thanks for the tips. Definitely looking forward to hearing your strategy on finding the right powder charge.
hands down one of the best videos i have watched, lots of useful information, many thanks!!
This is one of your best videos. Explaining what you do and why. Thank you
Nicely done. We'll explained. Thank you for the time and effort to make and post this. So true and well-said about wasting components: if two don't print well, 3 or more won't tighten it up.
Used this method today and it worked real well. Thanks for this video Keith.
Gosh.....I can't believe I just found your channel....awesome work, great vids...you've forgot more than I'll ever know....hats off to you sir! Thank you..
I am new to this and find your information much more informative than any one else I have watched. I shoot off the shelf rifle and have gotten close but no cigar yet. Thank you.
Awesome job, just the right amount of explanation and reasoning. Cheers.
Just found your content! I’m absolutely in love with your videos, keep up the good work, your doing a great job 🤙🏻
Outstanding! Excellent information. With clear explanation of the process.
New Sub.
Keep'em coming!
We shoot different games but I started using your technics for load development on a new barrel in a new chambering… I went from high 20’s ES teens SD to low teens ES single digit SDs…. Thank you. It will make little difference in my game (20’s is an inch on a 20” target that has no X ring) but at least I will know it’s me and not the rifle when I am off. I don’t know how YT works but I know some of the other channels I like have a thank you button where I can donate a dollar amount on videos with out using patreon. Again, thank you!
Very timely as I was contemplating a strategy to find seating depth after finding my powder charge! Thanks! Great video!
Glad it was helpful!
I really enjoy your videos, and the content is great. Thanks for posting these.
Subscribed and Liked! Been watching for a few weeks and appreciate this channel tremendously! Thank You
Thanks for the content, looking forward to more!
Thanks, this is the second of your video's I've watched and the info is so clear.
I'm now a subscriber and will start watching all your reloading video's
Very nice! Yes, I'd love to see a load development video. Thanks much.
Wow, what a teacher. I’m new to your channel and I’m staying!!
Great information as always, thank you!
Incredible content and process. I am amazed and much more thoroughly understand the process now. Thank you so much for sharing.
Super great video as far as saving bullets and barrel life. Great content, super good articulation with your words.. I have been a follower since about a year ago when I ran across one of your videoz shooting a big shiny gun with a blue stock I think. At first I thot you were making stuff up and cheating on your targets! Lol how can a gun shoot tiny little holes so many times without any flyers!! Lol. Boy have I been schooled! Now I watch your videos religiously! Even Ian from Kelblys recomended you, however I told him I was already a follower.. man Im glad you chose to make videos, you made my shooting hobby so much more fun!! Thankyou for your time and information.
Life Wisdom & shooting knowledge/experience 😊 thank you. Natural teaching talent!
What a awesome tip load em all long and seat them deeper as you go no waste Thank you for sharing....
Thanks for another informative video Keith.
Thank you for the info really love the content..... need more
This is the best video ever! Thank you so much. You have a new subscriber
Very nice info and scientific research for your devopment.
Every time I work a load, I don't see it as a "wasted" ammo as I always enjoy shooting, thus I will never wanted to be a professional shooter even when I am talented to do so as I don't want to take away the fun out of it...
In my opinion, seeking perfection is a nice way to spend the morning...
Very professional and well spoken
Yes sir! Those who challenge you or you choose to challenge can't take away past victories just the ones which could be ahead of you.
Thank you. I'm looking having a crack at it (go)
And with having your backboard cleared is an excellent decision
Perfecto explanation!! Tks from Argentina!
Pure Gold Keith
I’d like to see a load development video also. Keep up the very informative videos !!!!
like the two comparators to sort bullets !
Learned from you. Great teaching without the cocky junk.
This was a good video well done good info
Glad I came across this video! I'm subscribed
Dang I wish I was a good enough shooter to move on to the next increment of what ever im testing if two holes didnt touch. Hats off to you. Great videos. They encourage me to get better.
Love your videos and is amazing how accurate you are. I managed to develop quite a few accurate loads but nothing soo amazing.
My question qould be which thing you do first , look for the right amount of powder then play with seating depth or the other way arround?
Great job 💯👍
Starting on my reloading, short action. Just so happens my coal to jam , minus 10 thou, is not too long for magazine. 2.986. The SAAMI max coal is 2.955, so I get a little extra to seat out. Will start at 2.986 and work down. 175 stgk, 26” barrel, 270 cal 6.8 western. Powder is 4831sc. Federal 215s and CCI 200s.
Question for you sir. How do you know how fast a particular poder erodes the throat of a barrel?
Very informative video. I subscribed!
Great approach! Thanks for sharing!!🍻😎👍
Thanks for watching!
@@winninginthewind I am thankful for all the time and testing my fellow marksmen put on line. With the price of ammo and components these days sharing info is a blessing for all of us. Thank you again.🍻😎👍
Great video thank you. I’m new to distance shooting and reloading. Very good information. What powers eat throat like this so I can avoid them lol. We shoot a lot.
Good Morning Sir. I'm working on some for my 6.5 and I believe I have found my powder node and I did not do any groups during powder node development. Next I hear people say do seating depth tests to get your groups. Stated start at .010 and go up .010 incriments. I have 4 of each starting at .010 going to .060 and so.e every said .125. Tikka tac A1 24" 1/8t.
Thank you for advice.
I started scale out every part bullet, primer, brass casings and then powder. Factory ammo is to much different. I just started two years ago repacking ammonium. Just fun for me.
Holy crap I've been wasting rounds Thank You
Fantastic production quality. What does your production equipment look like? IE: camera/ audio/ lighting setup?
Doing great things 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video.. works spectacular if you have an arbor press setup..
Why not shoot the cross and let the bullets land where they may instead of making crosses in the circle? Just because it is unorthodox?
See, that makes too much sense!
Excellent video
Excellent, I try to shoot 5 shot groups, but if the first 3 are all over the place I stop !!............... Thanks for sharing .
From another scientist/engineer to another, I really appreciate your blood, sweat, and tears to find all the information you share here and on Patron! Sign JR. Ph.D.
Who made your new stock? Love your videos.
great video will watch more
Could you go over your labradar setup to achieve that overhead position? Seems ideal.
On four barrels using a magnetospeed along side of the barrels, not touching the barrels, I’ve recorded just over 6500 rounds shot through them using H-4831sc. It’s a temperature insensitive powder according to the manufacture and it is but not completely. With ammo temperatures from 30 degs F to 70 degs F it is roughly 0.5 fps/1 deg. From 71 degs F to the mid 90’s its pushing just under 0.70 fps/1 deg. This is and has been a very scientific analysis in my opinion. What I don’t know is if this is cartridge dependent or if case volume has an affect. In this testing I have a lot of data on first round MV’s vs’s the second shot MV and first compared to the total average MV’s. This data could very well differ from one cartridge to another and could be dependent on the rifles ignition. Just my two cents worth. I really enjoy your content and the scientific method processes that you use in your videos.
Wow that’s a lot of chronographing , I’m very impressed 🙂 I shoot the same powder in 6.5 Creedmoor. I haven’t done nearly the round count that you have, but I would say my results are a little bit tighter than what you were getting. Again that’s some very impressive testing 👍🙂. Comments like yours add great value to the reloading/shooting community thanks
@@josephhomen thanks!! It is a lot of testing and shooting. I’m using the 6.5 CM too. I’m fortunate to be able to shoot several days a week up here in the hills of WV. It’s just routine for me to attach the magneto to the rod system and record the mv’s as i shoot By doing this it has taught me a lot on how a barrel changes through its life cycle and by mapping out mv’s it really helps me to know what MV to use no matter the ammo temp and condition for a first round impact. Thanks for the comment.
Do you happen to shoot at the Harry Jones Range near Fairview?
@@chetcogar3758 no. I shoot on different coal strip mines. I mostly shoot beyond a grand. Shooting in the hills has interesting wind dynamics. I’m not a f class shooter but I highlighted respect the tactics and the sport. I’m near Charleston. Give me a shout if ya want to shoot.
@@wvlongshooter3912 Good deal. I’m near Fairmont and I have not shot past 1K because that’s what I have access to for $100.00 membership fee. I’m currently working in Ohio but I will be done here soon and yes I would love to shoot further.
I like the version of the target that you have been using. Is there a place to get a copy of it?
I always had people tell me my 3 shot groups weren’t enough. That I need to shoot at least 5, 5 shot groups to come up with an average. I tried to explain that all of that is on the shooter. Not the rifle or the load. If you are someone who knows how to shoot properly, 2-3 rounds one time is all you need to see how that load is doing. The rest of the so called shooters don’t see it my way because, they probably are not very good shooters themselves. I was taught young. Started at age 5. Am now 62. So I have been shooting a long time.
Question Sir, if I may, once I find the platue in the satterlee test, then I load 10 rounds of each powder charge, 1/10th grain increments, how long between shots? Cold bore or warm barrel? Thank you Sir for great instructional videos.
What seating depth is used for the powder test?
I shot some factory ammo with 130 bergers and it shot pertty good I loaded some eldx and started at .003 off and it shot 3 and half inch group at 100 yards I also had some 129ablr at .004 it stunk to but not as bad so going to move to .008 and bump it .003 at a time I sure wasted them rounds and I found out that seating depth does affect fsp.
Could you make a video on how you adjust the tool? Regards from Sweden
Interesting that you are in PRS land jumps. People would say I was crazy when I jumped .07. Mark Gordon from SAC (posted on Cal Zants PRS blog) has some amazing research on jump. I do two shot tests for my barrel tuner too - then increase as I get closer to the node.
I don’t think he told us how much he was jumping. Just the shim size
He started his jump at .008 from the lands and then worked closer from there, but from what I gather from my the shims, not a ton more - this is a whole universe in the jam +2 world.
I have to make a license for reloading . The ballistic Institute , where I made the license, in general say 0.02 jump for 243 and less. 0.08 for 264 and higher. I never seat in the lands, because of some reasons.
Good stuf! Nobody has enough components now. If you think you do… you need more
What do you use to measure neck thickness when your neck turn your brass
Hey Keith! Have you found it necessary to change the seating depth over the life of the barrel after doing this test?
Very technically in hypothetical equations? when you have a .oo6 window? The middle will be .004 , then : might you back off .003 ? Or forward .003 ? We have to acknowledge the measurements between 0 and .001 so 12 - half thousands equal 6 thousands .
How do you know the speed at which different powders errode throat?
I few things. First, thank you for the video. 2nd, where did you get the shims? My last question, I'm guessing you are shooting the same barrel (brand, twist, etc) cut with your personal reamer. Why such an extensive load development? Shouldn't a load from one rifle to the next be really close? Maybe a slight charge, seating depth change? I find that components are only half the cost. Nobody ever includes the "cost per round" when it comes to barrel wear.
All excellent points. In my case, my stock of preferred components is running low, so I'm having to to shoehorn other components into use. I have little concern that I can get them to work, if needed, but don't need to learn I'm not there yet at a major event.
I calculate the cost of barrel wear in my cost of ammunition. It was approximately a doubling of the cost of the ammunition for barrel life before the great component shortage of 2020. Now, I simply say that it costs $0.35 /round for barrel life.
Where can I find targets like the ones you are using?
I notice in the first montage the sand colour rifle twists quite a lot.
Has anybody ever offset the Boreline so that it has more resistance to torques?
Was the change in velocity you mentioned due to humidity of the powder?
How do we find the powder charge and seating depth for an AR style of weapon?
Darn work! If it wasn’t such a good thing in life I’d give it up.
Hi I shoot a 308 Winchester I noticed in your video you said one powder erodes more than the next how do you know which Powder erodes more or less other than just taking measurements (base to ogive) per 100 rounds as you try different powders? Thanks bill
Do you or someone you know have experience with a 6mm 108 berger elite hunter? I am looking for advice for a good seating depth start to get me close. Thanks
So you choose seating depth before you choose powder charge?
There is something to it, if you seat a bullet at the very start, say 20 thou off then find the load for ES they match and should not be changed until the barrel speeds up if it does, dont mess with it after you get the load to come in, 99% it will shoot accurate, when you do whats happening here moving the coal it may move 100 yrd accuracy but the ES is moving about, if you follow this once accurate start again for ES and it all begins again
I have a question maybe somone can help.
okay so with my node on the powder sorted
by seating the freedom seed deeper speed will increase does that now result in lowering my charge weight or keeping it the same ? with a increase in speed ?
Very good
Would this be the same process for a hunting load with barnes ttsx? I've gotten alot different opinions and don't know how much to use as an increment. Should i use .006 steps or a bigger step
Wow Keith, it's obvious you have spent a lot of time with this cartridge and bullet. I sense you know the nuances of the components used.
When you do seating depth testing do you use a powder charge that historically has worked well or a charge that is outside the 'sweet spot'?
Would the micrometer adjust Wilson die allow you to make the same sort of changes as using shims?
5:47 I learned something.
Now I won't waste so much ammo that I'll have to unload at home
Bingo!
As a new shooter I’m not familiar with the idea of certain powders eroding the throat more rapidly. Is this just a function of burn rate?
So what is the starting seating depth?? Before you start playing with it?? And even if a load shoots crap but has a great sd... is that the load to play with seating depth??... a start to finnish simple explanation on what your looking for and how to choose a load for play with would help... plus why doesn't seating depth make any difference at all with some rifles?? I've had this with a 222 .. seating depth made no difference
Fairly new shooter here to long range, ive watched and learned so much from your videos, thanks for all the time you invested for people like me. One question i have, that they may help me conserve components is, what increments of powder charge do you test to find your rifles best standard deviations or extreme spread?
Ex. 2 tenths of a grain in weight charge or .5 at a time? Thanks!
I don't test for ES and SD. I test for grouping. Low ES and SD come along as nice add-on features.
Curious to what powder erodes the throat rapidly. ??
Double base powders will erode faster