THIS is why "AMD Drivers Suck"... And It's Super Interesting.
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- AMD vs Nvidia GPUs! You hear of reasons not to buy cheaper AMD graphics cards over Nvidia GPUs. A lot of the time, AMD's GPU drivers are to blame. So today, we are seeing how true that statement is. This is a data driven, analytical approach to AMD vs Nvidia GPU Drivers. A zero fanboy approach, if you will. All of this data comes from AMD and Nvidia directly and includes as little qualitative information as possible, to give the most accurate result.
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0:00 Intro AMD vs Nvidia Drivers
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3:20 Who Has the MOST Issues? Nvidia vs AMD
5:50 Who Has the WORST Issues? Nvidia vs AMD
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NVidia has one issue that they simply ignore. After 512.26 or something driver they f*cked up something in communication with Sony Bravia TVs on 30 series GPUs. Like you get mess on any setting that is not VRR, but if you switch hdr on and then off in windows all other modes will start to work (until shutting down the system), so standard HDMI setting, DolbyDigital setting etc.
Kepler cards are completely obsolete, and Nvidia was still using that architecture even after Polaris was succeeded by Vega, thats an entire generation that never had drivers made to work to DirectX12, and Nvidia just announced no more MXM module support other than OEM security updates, so good luck with that high dollar Nvidia gaming laptop you bought last year, the reason stated was they couldn't compete against Vega in the laptop market . Not sure how you cooked these graphs up but AMD has consistently provided long term support that Nvidia never has, at least that didn't come directly from EVGA .
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One thing that nobody seems to talk about but in my opinion is huge difference is that AMD's anonymous data collection is opt-IN meanwhile Nvidia always collects telemetry and you need to go through some serious hackery to opt-out and disable their telemetry thus they collect information from probably 99% of their userbase. AMD's data telemetry being opt-in means most people using AMD will not participate in the telemetry which means AMD will have less data to dig through for finding problems compared to NVIDIA
You were talkin about that "GPU utilization stuck at 100%" issue on AMD RX 500. I had this one. AFAIK its only a performance monitor issue, not real 100% utilization. As your screen shows, its only using 29 wats while showing full clocks, that is simply impossible for this card. So its veeery minor.
I sort of wondered if that was the case with that issue - ie. it was a glitch in what was being displayed vs. what the hardware was actually doing. Thanks for you anecdotal input on it! If only the release notes were 100% unambiguous.
Every time I noticed it, I'd restart the GPU with Windows key + Ctrl + Shift + B and it'd go away. Don't know how well known that fix was, though.
@@Herrikias probably not many... haven't had the false gpu utilization reading, but several cpu reading inaccuracies on amps and utilization with prior Threadripper build, cross checked with ryzen master and AI Suite, ended up disregarding that section of Adrenaline overlay
And it's an old generation card, can see why it's not their highest priority
It's kind of funny how nVidia has managed to escape criticism for their driver issues over the years, when they have several times over the last 2 decades had worse drivers, and cards for that matter.
Yes, as a collector... this is very true. Especially as cards age. As the cards age, AMDs drivers are infinitely superior. My eVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Superclock is slower on newer nVIDIA drivers than older ones (by more than 20%). My Vega 56/64 and Radeon VII? Faster on newer drivers.
I don't think he's talking performance, he's talking instability.
That's what having the greater market share can do.
You have a lot of fanboys white knighting for you whenever anything bad comes out.
Jensen has an army of "shills" that's how.
Nvidia has more fixes over time. That means they tend to fix more issues than AMD is able to. Nvidia is pickier with the end user experience, it seems.
I have just switched to AMD RX 6700XT. My only issue, and to be honest I should have known better, was instability when I first installed the card and drivers.
After about two weeks I realized I didn't do a clean uninstall of nVidia drivers and downloaded DDU. After that my card and drivers worked fine. Been using it now for two months and it's great.
Huge important step there, ALWAYS DDU when installing a new card, even if from the same manufacturer, hell even if from the same generation, or even if it's the same GPU from a different board partner
If your swapping the GPU, DDU
@@flamingscar5263 Lesson learned.
I have rtx 3060 and thinking of getting the 6700xt, do you recommend it? Also I'm really worried about the whole 'bad drivers' thing with AMD, did you face any issues with your gpu?
@@madg8380 I'm really happy with my purchase. Just don't make my mistake. Download DDU and run that after you uninstall Nvidia drivers and before you install your Radeon drivers. Solid 1440p gameplay.
@@q5kxsps9 bro in video editing, rendering or other working stuffs in 6700xt is good?
Can you give me some idea about your gaming + working stuff's.
In my country 3060ti and 6700xt is same price.
3060 ti (3+2 year warranty) less vram
6700xt more vram less cuda core
I want to built my PC for 1440p gaming+ working (balance)
Your findings are pretty close to my own experiences, although mine stretch across 31+ years with AMD, Intel, nVidia and more.. So I have always known such fanboy arguments were BS because my experience showed me otherwise.
"Popular opinion" often boils down to inexperienced group-think and ignorance...
Yup. I moved to amd after nearly a decade of 4 core 4 thread i5s. I just feel violated by nvidia.
@@charlesg5085 4 core 4 thread i5 Have nothing to do with Nvidia. Lol. What The Fvkk are you even talking about? 🤣🤣🤣
@@NBWDOUGHBOY IKR, LMFAO
@@djangelinfinity Lol, He feels violated by Nvidia for 4 core i5's. 🤣🤣🤣
correct, I buy GPUs from both for my household, the experience between both is comparable...fanboys are full of shit
Really great video. I’ve used AMD cards for years and I’ve never really had any major driver issues, I’ve had rx 580, Vega 56, and now a rx 5700 and all have works perfectly
This new driver update is terrible on my 6700 xt i lost over 20 fps on apex with the 23.2.2 had to roll back 2 updates
6700XT not even once without crashing lol soo frustrating
I thing its more often about new series as its now, i have 7900xtx and its getting slowly better in RT performance and yes i had bug on the top, when card simply turned off the DVI connector, until 22.2.1 drivers, which is no longer the case, that was realy tedious. To be honnest that performance imaturity is more problematic for AMD then for me ( i know what i am buying right now), they are very often letting a lot of potential power of their gpus on the table instead of releaseing that GPU when their software is 100% ready for it. Its costs them a lot of money and trust also currently Nvidia gets less benefits from RE bar, while 7000 series performs often much worse without Ryzen CPUs (SAM) by quite a lot of FPS+ (almost up too 30fps difference in Forza 5 as example, mostly its +- 5fps) plus AMD CPUs scales better with system memory timings and frequency, another potentional bottleneck of your whole PC which shouldnt be ignored, when you are buing their products. You need to balance AMD rig quite a lot compare to their competition if you want to get realy close to its real performance, which also can cost a reputiation. When people are doing mistakes , one of the firsts reactions is mostly to find the guilty "that bloody sinner," of course its easyser to find guilt everywhere else then in yourself :D, and you have more opportunities to blame hardware company which works like that. However if i would went for workload station i would take Nvidia gpu for sure, current AMD gen seems to prefer mostly gaming above everything else, which makes sence. A lot of their profit comes from console market , which is also clearly gaming focused, while a lot of Nvidias money comes from market with profesional workloads users, not a only gamers. I like more AMD gpus for their hardware vallue which is clearly better then Nvidias offers (lower vram etc...), but software around and toys thats where Nvidia rules. Quite a lot like Apple. Sadly with 4070ti, 4080 and 4060ti informations, Nvidia is going "full Apple like "this gen, obviously.
i had a lot of graphics card over the years.... starting on a Oak Technologies on a 386dx40 , to matrox, voodoo 2, nvidia , ati and AMD Radeon... only the old ones had 0 issues and being my last 3 cards , Radeon cards , HD7870 ( still working today on my wife's PC ) a RX580 8gb ( only issue i had with it was windows related.. windows update for a couple of time decided to install a windows default driver for some odd reason , and i only noticed when i tried to use the AMD drivers shortcuts to save a clip or start a stream ) at the moment a i have a RX6800XT and no driver issues what so ever
Had the vega 56, Rx 5700 xt, now on a Rx 6700 xt. No problems other than game driver's.
Is this video a joke? Counting the issues multiple times for Nvidia while ignoring the fact that AMD straight up ignores/denies issues and then publishes a small blurb they fixed the issue finally after a year or two? AMD straight up ignores/denies issues so of course they're going to seem like they have less ongoing problems. AMD denied there being a problem with the 7xxx series (from 2013ish) that caused black textures to pop in and out on the edge of the screen ONLY in DX9C games. Funnily enough, despite denying there was an issue (which we still don't know what was the real issue, suspected vram), they continuously fixed the issue about ~6 months after the release for a year. Then suddenly there's a blurb in one driver release that states they fixed the black texture issue. The issue they were completely silent about for over a year. The one they NEVER mentioned in any prior driver releases. Most people were told to RMA their card despite it being a driver issue. You bet that RMAing a perfectly good card didn't fix the issue because it was driver related. You're being a snake by pretending that AMD doesn't ignore issues. Or how about the microstutters around the same time period? You know, the one where AMD tried to paint it as a huge conspiracy against them by Nvidia?
Add in their motherboard/CPU/AGESA issues starting with Zen 1 and holy crap there are still a ton of issues still present. USB problems (which were horrrrrible), voltage problems spanning from zen 1 to zen 4 (rapid disassembly baby!), ftpm stutters (still present on zen 3 mobile), AGESA issues too numerous to state. The whole AM5 platform is a disaster. x570 still has tons of extremely hard to reproduce problems, from failing to start from coldboot, to memory training errors (assumed, we don't know) that cause the computer to become unstable after 5-6 months consistently. You can find consistent reports of this happening to people for years now but no word from AMD!
Edit: Second paragraph a bit confusing in regards to ongoing issues and fixed issues. Bad wording on my part, I just listed a few I remembered. So some are fixed at this point.
tried amd with the 5700xt and got nothing but black screens and driver crashes till i went back to green.
I think there is also one other scenario you maybe leaving out, that is product release drivers. Both companies now release new products around the same time and more often or not reviewers and tech tubers seem to have more problems with press and pre release drivers in AMD than NVIDIA and this could cause a massive perception of AMD drivers being trash.
Yeah, AMD at launch is a massive reason why it's seen as utter garbage.
People don't want to wait months, seasons, or even years to buy a GPU for gaming. They want to buy it as soon as it drops. And NVidia knows this 1000x better than AMD. When I bought an Nvidia GPU at launch (GTX 760). It crashed on time (Due to me pushing it too hard). But when I bought an AMD GPU at launch (RX 5700XT). It crashed over 50 times.
You can already tell what brand I keep recommending to people as a Tech store employee. And which brand I tell people to never buy (Note: For those wondering they take my advice over many others. It pays having glasses).
Good point. He also doesn't discuss the percentage of users having issues. Which makes his data almost completely irrelevant.
@@averytucker790 what if i don't buy a game as soon as it launches, so that i can wait for a possible sale? your advice doesn't tell the whole story
AMD drivers underperform when a game launches, but they age well, that is a fact.
Interesting approach to quantifying the problem. It would be interesting to see how the numbers shake out when weighted based on popularity of affected titles. It's easy to imagine a scenario where a few high-severity issues in massively popular titles could shape community sentiment, even if the total number of issues isn't that different.
This is how I would guess the stigma would originate looking at these numbers.
I would say that Nvidia is far, far better at supporting older and more obscure titles; this explains why things like AF works via NCP and why Battlefront series games don't crash while AMD has broken Battlefront compatibility since 2021 and never fixed it.
Thank you for the video. I'm actually back to using AMD again since my last experience with them on an R9 280. This is despite my driver woes from back in the day and mostly because it's just the cheaper option now. Even the new 7000 series can be easily undervolted to match stock setting with great power saving with not much effort, so power efficiency is also great with tuning (saves on the power bill).
Tried AMD video cards multiple times and it`s just not smooth sailing especially at launch.
Takes ages to be fixed if ever.
This is from a gamers viewpoint. AMD is just not nice gaming.
Buy a new AMD card for a lot of money and you can game half a year later.
Buy an Nvidia and you can game right away.
That `s the difference and it`s huge to me.
Only time I’ve had driver issues was with my RX 5700 during the launch of the RX 5000 series. Probably because of how new the RDNA architecture was. Those issues were eventually fixed. Prior to that I had an R9 390X and literally no driver issues. PLUS I was seeing upgraded improvements to their adrenaline software year after year.
My 5600XT to this day, is driver crashing about 3-4 times a week. doesnt matter, if its clean drivers install. clean windows install. it just crash that often.
i used to have a GTX 970, absolut bullet proof of a GPU. just didnt cut it for the games i was playing.. and i've been thinking of upgrading the 5600XT (which other than the crashing, performes really well) for a 6000 series.
cause i dont care if "Green team" or a "Red team" gpu.. but my experience with the 5600XT makes me second guess about that upgrade path :/
its quite interesting to see the driver issue subject on perspective though. i believed the balance was more inclined
@@B1GBOSScL That’s quite the unfortunate experience. Crazy how varied people’s experiences with the same drivers. I guess the various hardware combinations could cause unexpected issues with drivers. That or it’s a faulty 5600 xt. Well whatever gpu it may be. Wish you luck on your next choice.
@@B1GBOSScL r7 380x, rx 580, vega 56 and rx 6700xt I've been with amd since 2017 playing every AAA game I liked to play with no issues (99% of the times) soooo... bad luck I guess.
@@boce100883 well yeah, I mean, I don't rule out that possibility. Maybe Ive got a 🍋 or it has a failing component or something haha. Still haven't being able to fix the issue. There is the detail that after buying it. I found out it was one of the weakest of it's kind (Gigabyte Windforce OC).. but It is what it is I guess 🤷.
@@B1GBOSScL I used to have Gigabyte GT 640 -> Gigabyte HD 7750 -> Gigabyte R9 380 G1 Gaming -> now Powercolor RX 5600XT Red Devil. Barely has issues since first time using AMD. The biggest issues I remember has was random driver crash when playing games. It turn out Windows Driver auto install their own driver rather then using what I already install.
After disable Windows Auto Driver. Use DDU then install latest driver from AMD, it's all works fine again.
The drivers "suck" due to the pervasive influence of Nvidia "influencers" on the internet who relentlessly denigrate AMD products.
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ehh I would say AMD doesn't earn enough money in GPU to really dedicate their money to the Radeon department. If you look at the balance sheet quarterly, they get more income from Server and Client CPU sales than GPU. Nvidia is itself a GPU company so it would be unfair to say AMD and Nvidia will equally fund their GPU business. And Business wise it makes sense, you want to put money into profitable department first, which happens to be CPU for AMD and GPU for Nvidia. We saw first hand with Intel Arc what happens when they are under funded, you get the epic fail that is the Intel Arc driver in November 2022.
@@lunarvvolf9606 I'm worried about Intel Arc. Their recent cut 5% of most employee salary, cut all bonus, all rewards, cut the 401k, and then cutting dividends and canceling their new buildings. And then the US department of commerce announcing they aren't going to give CHIPs money to help failing businesses. I think they were talking about Intel maybe? IT seems the next thing Intel cut will be Intel Arc.
The drivers suck because Radeon is small comparatively. There’s more people working on Nvidia drivers alone than there are people that work on Radeon GPUs.
@@lunarvvolf9606 Intel needs to get into the mod and high tier GPU segment. Their a770 is good compared to a 3060 or 6600 but they need a card comparable to a 4080
had nothings but problems with my 6650XT, switched to the weaker 3060 and all my problems that i had before were gone.
i've had a lot of Amd cards over the years. One thing that perhaps you might consider in a follow up - mid range and lower end AMD cards, at least in my experience, have way fewer issues compared to the higher end AMD cards, while it seems nvidia's stability seems to be universal across all of their cards, regardless of wattage. so I think a big part of the frustration people have Amd cards centers around the fact that you may have spent $1000 on one of their cards and it works worse than something you could've had for less than 400.
To be fair, they come out after the first 5 driver revisions for the new high end cards were already applied most fixes of the new gen.
So I was able to get a Radeon 7800 XTX, not the Reference one, but a Gigabyte version with a different heatsink..I haven't had any problems with it so far. I do know it did have an issue with using too much power while idling, but I believe that was fixed with a driver update. I kind of feel like that's a bit of a minor problem, but people blow it as, "See I told you AMD has shitty drivers". It's been many years since I've had an AMD driver issue, this could just me being lucky, or just playing games that been around longer. People can continue to hate on AMD drivers if they want, but I'll keep continuing to use AMD video cards as long as AMD continues to make them.
I think you hit the point. When the 6000 cards launched i bought a 6900 xt and my friend a 6600 xt. He had didn’t had that many problems. I had them until i switched to my new 4090. For me it is a world difference. I can use HDR (i couldn‘t on amd), i can use my 3 monitors now (on amd it would flicker often), games have great performance ( i could be happy if i would get around 60 fps on amd, and we aren’t talking maxed out anything). So yeah. I don’t want to hate, but that were the hardest two years i had. And with the 4090 i can just do it. I only had in this 4 or 5 months that i hade once a problem where obs wouldn’t really work. But it was fixed after a week, abd downgreading obs for that time was a good workaround. Besides that, it works. I don’t have problems.
@@masterofkay6350i think you missed the point going from a 3090 would have been the same as switching from your 6900xt as the 4090 is just that powerful its gonna make anything prior look like trash even a 3090ti , altough your not the first person to complain about multi monitor that does seem to be a problem but for people on a single monitor i can tell you no issues at all and as far as performance my rx6800xt with an overclock kills any 3070ti and with the heavy OC i have i can challenge a 3080 while having paid far less
@@RuanLFC of cours i can’t compare a 4090 with a 6900 xt. But i hade many small problems with amd, that i don’t have with my 4090. i can now record with my good microphone ( with the amd card it would break my sound recordings), like i said. HDR is just working (maybe because of more monitors, but i need at least two because of work), and the best part. My background pictures aren’t changing evry boot up. That are like smal problems, that aren’t that important. But to have like here and there something changed or not working for this price. That’s just for me breaking. And let’s leaf performance away. The 4090 just does what it should do. No problems, no stutters. Good sound quality. Everything is normal now and i can work and do my stuff like in 20 minutes without problems. I don’t want to shit on amd. But i think their drivers are far mor worse at least for me it was. This two years i don’t want to repeat
Just enabling the "Record Desktop" (while Instant Replay is on) makes the GPU spike to 100% every 2 seconds, it spikes so hard that the mouse cursor freezes for a bit. I've had a similar issue a while ago, but it was happening when I've enabled Instant replay, regardless of the "Record Desktop" setting. now i cant clip games at all and even desktop. reinstalled drivers and done all i can. was wondering if anyone else had this issue. specs are amd radeon 6600 and amd ryzen 3600
In the last ~2 years I've used both a 3080 and a 6800xt and I've had more driver related issues with the 3080. For the first 12-18 months of using the 3080 it was pretty much a gamble if a new driver just worked or if my system started to have issues mainly with flickering and black screens again. Have also had several drivers that "broke" games, flickering or missing textures, constant crashes, etc. Honestly, my 970 had almost no issues (used it for 4 years) and my 2070s only began to have issues with the release of drivers for Ampere (before that I had no issues with the 2070s either), so I've been a bit disappointed with Nvidia in the last 2 years.
The only issues I can remember I've had with the 6800xt were a few drivers that didn't like my "a bit too optimistic" OC in certain games, but this was always fixed by reducing the OC a bit.
yesh. its opposite in my case
I recently went back to AMD too. Not because of driver issues, but I felt ripped off with having only 8GB of VRAM on my 3070. Nvidia also gave me some washed out textures and flickering when trying to use HDR. I'm really enjoying the 6800 XT at the moment, No driver issues, good amount of VRAM and HDR works a charm. I have the itch to buy the RX 7900 XTX soon.
@@R3nchi anyone can say anything on the web
I had a string of Nvidia cards up to the GTX1080. I still use the GTX1080, and over the years it has had regular driver issues (BSOD) on Windows 10 that would only be kept under control by daily reboots of my old i7-3770 system.
About 2 years ago I changed to team red for CPU and GPU's. While reliability has not been perfect I do not regret switching to AMD. I now have 4 desktop PC's with AMD CPU's (5000 and 7000 series) and three of the PC's with 6000 series GPU's.
@@geoffreyveale7715 You had a GTX1080 paired with an ancient 3770, so I'd assume a low end motherboard. What power supply? It's possible your issues were because of a very low end motherboard and or insufficient power supply.
I've used many nvidia cards and the only 'issue' I can say I've faced is shadowplay not working with geforce experience, but that was quickly fixed. Other than that, every single game, of the many hundreds of different games, has ran just fine. I've used a 1060, 2070 super, 3070 ti, and 4090 and have had zero issues with any of them. However recently I decided to give amd their fair shot and bought a 6950xt and used it for close to a year for gaming every day. Let me say... the amount of issues I've faced was shocking. Not only did some games not even run, but I had texture issues with certain games (no, I didn't get a faulty card. it wasn't artifacting). Adrenaline Edition is also extremely buggy and will crash on you constantly. Many times my recordings would be laggy or buggy, but only in weirdly specific situations. Even the keybinds wouldn't work properly in their garbage software!
I think it's safe to say that amd will always just be that cheap knock-off people will buy if they're poor, which is completely understandable. But please do not claim that amd is "better" than nvidia because that is objectively not true. I've tested a lot of computer parts and I've only had real issues with amd's cards. I'm _never_ buying another amd product again after my first and last experience with their graphics cards, and I'm not the only one...
One other thing that's worth looking into.... how many issues or performance increases were strictly in the raw drivers vs. in "Geforce Experience" or "AMD Adrenelin"? Quite often, those performance boosts seem to be the wrapper software tweaking your game's config file rather than an actual driver change.
I had random black screens when I combined my 144hz monitor with a 60hz one on my RX 6600, this was a listed problem in AMD drivers page and it took quite a bit to get fixed, it was very annoying.
So I've heard the driver horror stories before and honestly I've never experienced this problem.
This may be mostly because I'm not often an early adopter to new product runs.
My Radeon RX 6650XT has been excellent, that may be partly because it's a refresh using an established driver set.
My ryzen 5800x has been excellent, that may be because the 5k architecture is more refined with issues from previous iterations of am4 already resolved.
Ultimately, early adopters of new architecture will always experience more issues than those of us who aren't part of the bleeding edge.
6800 xt here no driver problem so far. I dont go for nvidia equivalent cause vram size, no go for hogwarts legacy only option is to go for 4080 but is double the cost.
Same here RX6800. I play flight sims and they use more than 8gb vram. My next upgrade would have to be at least another 16gb card.
have u had some problems during this time im thinking about buying an rx 7800 xt?
how is the issue at 9.26 awful it just a visual bug in the telemetry of the driver
what difrrence does that make?
Last two cards I've used have been AMD (previously many Nvidia) and "bad drivers" are not even an issue. I'd say it's pretty even between the two.
exactly...Many fanboys probably dont realise how heavily biased they are...
Same i use both and found they have different problem overall,
Everyone's experience is different and very limited to basically the small sample size that we each individually have. For example, my last 2 cards (before my current) were 1080ti and 2080ti, driver issues were limited.
My current card is a 7900xt, and adrenaline is so bad that I can only use it with the "drivers Only" install setup. Adrenaline, in my personal opinion, is unusable for me. Crashes while watching videos+gaming on multi-monitor, crashes when the computer goes to sleep, etc etc. All of these crashes, 100% of them went away when I removed adrenaline and went with drivers only.
And I am no nvidia fanboy. I love my 7950xt combined with my 7900xt. But I will never use adrenaline until it works properly.
But my experience is such a small subset that I can never say "AMD driver sucks in general". But I can absolutely say that Adrenaline, when installed on my system, is an absolute piece of shit that I wouldn't wish on any gamer.
@@ikejon-ubabuco2717 I'm with you haha I have blackscreen during install 2 of 4 of my PC so i use driver only ~ ~ But i rarely use any feature
I have to agree that for stable yes but for me i have quite bad experience with 1660 driver so I'm not sure
But I'm recommend my friend all to nvidia since I don't want them to deal with small problem or many setting like we need for AMD
So i understand what you mean because all 4 of my pc use 22.Q4 without controller adrernaline and stable no problem but yeah sometime i need something in those software but it give me a lot of problem specially i hate is blackscreen during update so i end up use only driver not by auto install but my install it via device manager so no AMD software install. Otherwise the AMD install software will kick in
@@ikejon-ubabuco2717 I don't mess with the Adrenaline software outside of fan curve configuration on the GPU. When I had a setup like yours, videos playing on a monitor and a game on another, yeah, it'd do wacky crap like game stutter and stuff. The two monitors did have different resolutions and refresh rates, so that may have caused issues.
I've bought an RX7900xtx after having Nvidia cards since 10 years. I am very pleased with it and did not experience any more issues than with my old GTX1080.
still good? lookin to get one for myself
Built my first pc in june of 2020. Ryzen 5 2600 and 1660. Then in March of 2022 I upgraded to ryzen 5 5600x and 6700xt. About 2 weeks after I got my 6700xt I started having random blackscreens when loading up games, would have e to reinstall amd drivers every single time. Had that issue about 3 -4 times a week. Then after a driver update in like November or October I only had 1 or 2 black screens since.
In my time of building PCs for myself and later on for my family, I have bought 6 nvidia cards. 0 problems, at least none I couldnt easily work around by toggling some option here and there. To escape the hellscape that is nvidia pricing I bought a 6800XT. One week. One week and I'm returning it over random crashes, most likely caused by terrible drivers. Stability trumps all. I have become and nvidia fanboy by necessity and will never buy another AMD card until nvidia cards get as bad.
I have an Rx 580 and just updated to new drivers and now when I'm in Fullscreen on games when i tab into it it will turn black
I run an Nvidea card with two 4K monitors. I struggle constantly with the monitors not coming up properly after going to sleep. Why do faulty drivers get shipped anyway when the problems are so obvious so fast?
Only driver issue I have is whenever there's a new driver update for my 51risc RX 580 card obs and certain games refuse to run, saying there's no open gl support, then I have to run ddu and install the new driver version.
Interesting, though I think the broad issue is consistency in performance (which is driver based IMO), particularly with older APIs. I went from a 1660S to a 6600XT, and Dota 2 went from smooth to stuttery on the AMD card, despite it being more powerful. That was until I switched to vulkan ingame. Unfortunately most games dont have multiple APIs to choose from. Newer releases run a lot better though, as expected. So far I'd say it feels true that if you want a generally reliable experience across games, nVidia seems the winner. If I could swap out cards per game that'd be great.
AMD did have some issues with DX11 for a long long time but ever since an Adrenalin update last year it's mostly fixed (God Of War was an awful stuttery mess for me at launch but plays really smooth now) but yes Vulkan and DX12 should always perform better.
nice comment, i think amd vulkan api should be supported in any game and amd just need to make sure that this api is just work at its best, then like when you're amd you vulkan with it and should be no issues ever? 🤨
Nice! I've glanced over the release notes before the RDNA3 release to solve that riddle as some YT commenter was worried about AMD drivers and found that they are relatively similar between AMD and NVIDIA. (Of course we don't know how complete these release notes are.)
Mild warning for new architectures from me though. The track record for AMD making a release and things just work as expected is not so good. Seeing those getting fixed and performance improve over time (aging like fine wine) somewhat makes up for that though like buying a raw gem and polishing it into higher value.
Having owned both AMD and nvidia GPUs I can definitely say issues happen on both sides and while I had crashes and glitches on both, I've had more catastrophic driver issues on nvidia while AMD had more game specific crashes. That being said issues aren't that common in general.
Well if amd is more for gaming gpu its seem they have failed being gaming gpu cuz their driver is suck when gaming
That's the exact sentiment I have, my Nvidia cards misbehaved in ways that
We're much more annoying. Like strange screen flickering, or on random crashes... My AMD problems have been mostly just random games that don't behave. But past years thoes issues have been very few. My Nvidia random bugs, still there...
One thing you've may missed is that sometimes newer drivers addresses issues while causes or brings back another ones. That shows how complicated things are given so many factors: hardware, os's, settings etc. etc. As for myself, when RX 5700XT was launched back in 2019, I was an early adopter, because of the fantastic value by then. But it came with a high price, soooo many bugs and black screens. Over the years driver became stable. Now I have a 6700 XT and I'm fine. Sure I play mostly F1 and fewer other games, so I reduced the factors of problems.
The issue with this methodology is that it takes the data from the companies themselves as its basis. Which is to say the self-published issues with their drivers. But this data is published according to different criteria. E.g. a company might choose to ignore an issue for a while before adding it. Or a company might take a different average time before acknowledging an issue at all.
Also, there is the fact that main issues crop up whenever there's a new GPU architecture that is substantially different from the one before. Thus, just taking a look at 2 years provides too little data.
I agree, just because nvidia Or amd fixed more bugs doesn't mean they have more bugs, there could be more bugs which were not fixed. I'm saying this because I use an rx 580 and have the bug where once the temps go up and the fans go to 100% and they don't slow down even after the temps drop, this despite having zero rpm setting turned on. This issue has existed for years now but it has not been fixed yet and I don't expect it to be fixed anymore.
I’m trying to figure out if my next card is going to be AMD or Nvidia so thanks for your video! I currently run a 2070, and have also always had the prejudice towards AMD’s drivers.
I do question the logic ‘more fixes is more bad’ though - how did you come to this conclusion? Isn’t it possible both parties have the same amount of fixes, but one party fixes them at a higher rate meaning it’s a good thing? You mention the time some issues are open, but this does not say anything about ‘how quickly is the average issue closed’.
Also: are all updates fixes, or could they also be improvements or new features enabled - I see especially a lot about this online about AMD, improving their card over time?
I really like this idea of statistically comparing. I thought adding in the RX 5700 XT black screen issues would have been good, it seems a lot of the negative sentiment came from a particular issue from 2019-2021 or so.
I am an example of a gamer that doesn't have the issues that we hear all the wailing about on the internet. 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32GB ram and I don't get all the problems that other people keep talking about in any of my games. I run at high and ultra mixed settings and in my most recent game Hogwarts Legacy the only thing I had to troubleshoot was some stutter that was fixed by limiting my FPS to 120. It was a micro-stutter caused by my GPU hitting the max FPS and dropping down. It happens a lot on Unreal is what I found. Not exclusive to AMD either, it is a known issue with the Unreal engine on all cards. So yeah, I get how you reached your conclusions.
I have the newest drivers but my Monitor flickers when i turn the settings to high and even if i dont ramp them up the same issue is there but on a smaller scale i have a 5700xt Gigabyte OC a b650 aorus elite ax corsair Vengeance pro rgb with cl 36 and 5600 mt
As a cpu the Ryzen 7 7700 and as a drive a 2tb crucial p3 and an a bit older Wqhd 144 hertz screen with a 1800 r curve. As other Peripherals i use a Glorius Model D as a Mouse and the Corsair K70 Mk2 low profile with red switches
I had constant horrendous issues with my Pallit RTX3090 right up until just before the 4090 launched.
I couldn't spend much more than an hour in Skyrim and I had to leave it a good half an hour between different games if they even moderately taxing. My Skyrim is modded with 4K textures but I'm not using an ENB and my 3070 laptop handles the 2K texture pack fine. My cards interface doesn't show memory temperature but my guess is that was the problem?
Still have occasional issues but it is so much more stable now. Performance drops now rather than just crashing and I can go from one moderately taxing game to another and it's fine. Still better to leave it for a but for anything taxing to avoid obvious performance drops.
That's all with a Pimax 5KXR, it was a bit more stable driving my original Quest and I often had to resort to that when the system was unstable after windows updates. When it could drive my Quest without issues then I'd break out the more demanding 5KXR. No w I pretty much just use my 5KXR exclusively for PC and the Quest for standalone or wireless streaming from my laptop.
7950x & rx 6800xt here my my driver hang/crash all the time. Super frustrating.
There are problems on boths side. I used to buy every new nVIDIA card back in the day and I had problems with ALL of them. I tried every new driver they released. Both WQHL and beta drivers and I always ended up with blue screens of death at some point. It was so annoying and at the time I played competively Unreal Tournament. It's been a while but getting blue screens in a middle of a 1v1 or 10v10 could end up loosing a tournament and that was not acceptable. I ended up swithcing when ATI (before AMD bought them) released their X800 card and I've have x1800, HD2900, HD4850, HD6950 and now the 5700XT and I've never had a blue screen on any of the cards. - On the other hand I've heard of exact opposite experiences of me from friends.
I'm using an Rx6950xt and it suits my needs. I really think That the amount of work you put into AMD, is what you get in performance. It also seems more like a 1440p powerhouse rather than a 4k beast.
Come on, time after time you will reduce your graphics settings or resolution using that gpu
@@arfianwismiga5912 yea man, i play 1080p on my 4090
@@arfianwismiga5912 for 1080p it's magnificent, often playing AC games on 3 1080p monitors
@@arfianwismiga5912 Could you explain please?. It's as fast as a 3090/4070ti in everything but ray tracing when regarding gaming a 3090 btw isn't a slow gpu especially not at 1440p. I don't have to lower a single non ray traced setting on my 6900xt liquid cooled (overclocked and undervolted it's as fast as any 3090) at 1440p resolution all my games run maxed out at good fps
@@WyattOShea Thank you. I couldn't have wrote that any better
I remember hearing about how AMD had bad drivers many years ago. I thought maybe it had since been resolved, but man I dunno, I had an RX 590 for 4 years and towards the end, I was getting black screens, driver crashes, even system crashes.
Very interesting. Cheers for taking the time to make this.
I used a 3070 for more than 2 years (bought it day one) and replaced it with a 7900xtx for 4k gaming (day one too);
I had some annoying issues with my 3070, especially with monitor and TV, random signal loss, tried a lot of thing and it seems like it's DSC (display stream compression) issue (running monitor at 120hz 8bit fix issue), system not booting or having issue with sound on my lg oled tv, need to boot pc unplugged and plug it after, for sound a replug fixes the issue. You can add VRAM issue (texture corruption with forza horizon 5, a plague tale requiem, callisto protocol) but that's due to VRAM fully used so doesn't really count as driver issue, more like hardware limitation
Now for the 7900xtx, I'm aware that's a quite new product so I was expecting issue day one, so far I'm now running 23.2.2 drivers, with 2 monitors gpu power draw is high, 80-120W, 20-50W with one 4k 144hz hdr (idle-video playback), edge sometime have blanking/corruption issue (seems like a new issue with 23.2.1+ drivers), driver crash with weird reason (hogwarts legacy + edge on the mapgenie map of the game, just that website make drivers crash), fall guys crashes since 23.2.1+ when loading sometime, seems like a reboot help mitigate the issue.
Btw issue that I had with my 3070 aren't present with 7900xtx so no more signal loss or issue with TV/monitor. For those issues, 3070 issues with tv where from 2 years ago since now, monitor since august to december (sold my 3070) when I changed monitor, for 7900xtx only "old" issue is high power draw (for now it's not bothering me but they need to fix before summer), everything else is somewhat new, edge blanking is rare so not a big issue (and only when playing video), driver crash with that website, I don't care, fall guys crashing is a quite big issue for me cause I'm only playing the game with my little sister :/
Nvidia 2 high level issues (still not fixed at least for me), AMD 2 high level issues, 2 low level one
I try to go team red. The last 3 AMD GPUs I bought all ran like shit when I installed drivers. A week of searching the internet and troubleshooting. Yesterday I bought a 6800(non XT). I did a proper driver uninstall using a driver uninstall tool and hooked up the 6800 then installed drivers. Nothing but stutter. Tried a few things and reinstalled drivers, same stutter. Took it back to Best Buy and got a 7900XT. Rince and repeat. I fired up a game and nothing but stutter. Took it back to Best Buy. I then drove down to Microcenter and got a 4090. Deleted old drivers and installed new ones. I fired up a game and it was glorious.
I like AMD CPUs but I will never buy another AMD GPU again. I have never had a problem with Nvidia.
I've used a few AMD GPUs - ATI Radeon 4870 1GB, R9 390X, R9 Fury, and RX 6700XT for the last few years and used them for a really long time until I was finally convinced myself to try out the Nvidia 3080 Ti and now I didn't see any issues included undervolted profile using MSI AB and it was never restarted. Based on my experience. I noticed something weird with AMD Driver. The AMD GPU control panel crashed randomly sometimes when I want to open it up. The AMD icon in task bar happened to had a multiple icons until I hovered over it and it suddenly disappeared and back to one icon. I also used to tweak RX Vega 56 and 6700XT for undervolted. I saved a profile and expected it to be staying that way for a while until then AMD driver was being restarted and then restored to default factory for no reasons. I also found out that forced 16xAF HQ is not working with old games with AMD drivers. With this Nvidia. I was able to get it working with old games with nvidia inspector profile. It just worked. I was rarely update the GPU driver. I only update every 3-6 month drivers cause if it ain't broken. I don't bother updating the driver. I'm currently using a 4090 right now. I just did my own research. I never watched those big youtubers who kept saying buying AMD GPUs because they're supposed to be good ones. I'm glad I did FAFO on my own, not listening to anyone.
The structure of this video is amazing. Adressed all the aspects i felt was important, great job, this has been very helpful!
I know that OpenGl performance used to be an issue with AMD GPUs, but that was mostly addressed in a driver update well over a year ago. Emulators of more modern systems tended to perform a bit better on Nvidia GPUs, but with Vulkan being the standard API now I don't know if it's still an issue.
The thing that keeps me going Nvidia still is compatibility with older games, I'm talking games from the early 2000s. Games that are less compatible on modern systems usually have a functioning workaround on Nvidia cards because those GPUs are that common, but I'm frankly a bit scared if some older games are no longer playable on an AMD GPU because of a lack of workarounds.
i had to return my 7900xtx for a 4080 i could not get vr working on the amd card
I have had dozens of AMD and Nvidia graphics cards, and I have personally never really had issues with any of my cards of either brand. I generally just buy what the best price to performance is for the budget that I have at that time. I know that this isn't what everyone always experiences, and maybe just the fact that I have been building and servicing PC's for over 25 years has given me an unfair advantage. And I usually do a complete operating system install whenever I buy a new GPU, I know that this is not always necessary with the advent of DDU, but over the years it has kept my system lean and with no unnecessary drivers and applications from older GPUs.
Same here, altough i've had bunch of issues with both nvidia and ati/amd over the years, nvidia had a bunch of issues and same with ati, but after a while you can see the problems froma far distance and work around it before it become a huge problem or even a problem at all some times.
except for the a span of 6 months where nvidia would fry my 9800GT and my 9800GX2. and about the same for my ATi X850XT i had before it with bluescreens galore.
But other than it's only been vendor issues with badly designed cards :)
@@Zesserie Ya, I had mostly good luck. Had a 9800GT fry right after a driver update. I had a bad vendor card from HIM on an Hd 7950 Boost that did not even make it to boot before hitting 100c, and then I sent it back the the next one blew caps after 6 months(I replaced them) and it lasted a while after that with its super ugly blue plastic shroud. Only two cards I had fail going all the way back to the Rendition V1000. Never really had issues with AMD drivers in general, or nVidia outside new games sometimes needing a few drivers to fix a issue that cropped up.
I used to be team NVidia all day and if this gen if I was given the option to buy a 1000 or less 4080 class card I would have when I upgraded my 2070... but I choose the 7900 XTX instead (the Nitro+ version) and was a little worried about the drivers. So far it just seems that AMD is much slower at fixing problems compared to NVidia and surprisingly Intel so far. I think their drivers are more than competent though, just that if you have a known issue don't expect a fix quickly. Quantification of this in the video was great btw, nice job.
Before this month iam always on team Green. The the price start to become riddiculus i tried team red.. i was also worried about driver problem and stuff.. and after weeks on using and understanding amd driver. I dont think i had any issues.. works like a charm
Still have my doubts but only time will tell..
Feels like new kid in town
Pretty happy with my 7900XTX for the past couple of months, although there have been some instabilities, and some annoying failures to wake from sleep. Also the Radeon software sometimes CTDs, and won't open again until I reboot. On a normal day everything works fine though. I came from a 1080, which had slightly fewer issues, although the Nvidia Control Panel & GeForce Experience sucked in comparison, despite being more stable.
The fact that I need to use modded drivers and dxvk on amd for applications to run normaly and never even considered on nvidia tells something. There are a lot of reddit, youtube and all kinds of posts of amd drivers causing problems that amd doesn't even care about (like saying they were already fixed or stuff like that). So yeah, stuck with a full amd laptop (and let's not get started on the cpu). AMD it's like having a good engine coupled to a bad transmission.
Debating to get a 3070ti evga ftw3 ultra or a ASRock phantom gaming 6800xt. The ASRock is a lot cheaper almost $100 but it looks kind of ugly to the evga card which looks amazing. I’m running a 5600x now but plan on getting a 5800x3d once my brother starts his build since I’ll give him my 5600x let me know which you’d go with now. I have a 3060 now but I’ll be giving it to my brother. 6800xt or 3070ti? Let me know
6800xt no question, you'd have to care an awful lot about aesthetics to waste $100 and get significantly lower performance and vram
I use Nvidia because of CUDA and a opengl application because there's less problems on the productivity side. I sometimes use AMD vega for game testing in linux though. I used to have a 2013 AMD R7 but that carried so many issues. My video editing software didn't even detect the GPU.
The reason i stick with nvidia is basically due to tensor cores, but especially cura workloads, stable diffusion for instance, or flowframes, or any other algorithmic software that greatly benefits from cuda.
AMD’s adrenaline software is just infinitely better than Nvidias GeForce Experience/Nvidia Freestyle/Nvidia Control Panel/nvidia inspector/needing MSI afterburner/etc etc. Adrenaline had nearly ALL of those things built in, plus more. My 6950xt was my first ever AMD card and I’m not sure if I could go back to Nvidia.
The Nvidia control panel has the look and feel of a windows 2000 driver. And i think i overlooked most extra features because they are behind the signin wall of geforce experience (which is meh to begin with) or in a sub sub sub menu. Just from usability i found Adrenaline much better since its more like "hey activate this feature"
@@adherry8142 exactly. I love that I don’t have to sign in to any account to use the features for a card that I bought lol. And I use the side bar all the time! Being able to sharpen, cap frames, change color temps, use RSR, etc etc all on the fly while in game is so handy!
After staying with Nvidia for over a decade going through GTX580/680/780/1080/2080Ti, I finally decided to go back to AMD this generation with a 7900XTX and I will not go back to Nvidia any time soon, the Adrenaline software is so feature complete, it made my old Nvidia fanboyism seem like idiocy.
I agree the UI on AMDs Software is way better then GeForce, But installing it is often a Pain, if you have ever had any other drivers on a PC. General or beginner Gaming PC users don't know their way around DDU.
Theres a half-chance that adrenalin conflicts with some software on your pc, if that happens, reinstall with 'driver only' and use msi afterburner. Either way, works great. Gerforce experience has nothing on that
we use an amd asrock 6950xt and xfx force 6700 and have had no problems. i have had issues with amd in the past(w7000 graphics), but not with the newer drivers. sound quality is better on AMD graphics cards when using Display Port connection for sound and video.
Me as previously nvidia only user(fx5200, gt635m, gtx1060) who switched to amd rx6600 about a month ago so far i had 0 issues with the drivers except when using latest driver(beta version) there was a memory leak so i reverted back to recommended driver release and it's been running rock solid. I even stopped getting random dx12 crashes which i had with gtx1060 but it could've been related to lack of vram. Honestly i'm having a great time although i'm not using the latest and greatest cards which probably is why i don't experience issues. In Windows both nvidia and amd didn't have issues for me but in Linux switching over to AMD made the experience 1000 times better for sure
Nice explanatory topic. Very worthy of discussion and realizations. It’s just unfortunate die hard loyalists cannot accept factual results.
Both Teams have their strong and weak points. Both teams engineer & release good and bad cards. Both teams prioritize fixes from severe to insignificant with a monetary /financial influence on the resulting decision on what and when fixes are made & released.
It’d be 99.9% of cards will work straight from the box no issues as a display medium. It’s software, games, emulators, game settings, pc settings, pc hardware compatibility, other 3rd party software, the internet connection, & lastly “windows” that cause the most issues not the cards but as it’s what you see/view the cards are blamed, then it’s the blame game of team red or team blue.
ATI Radeon HD 5850. I remember downloading the drivers for this card and the temps went up like crazy. Granted, I didn't have a great PC rig back then so that's why, but in the ATI forums folks ranted about driver issues all day, seriously. AMD current GPUs drivers have come a long way
I’ve tested a lot of amd cards and luckily enough I’ve had one driver issue in Icarus with dx11 that was fixed shortly there after. No other issues….
And yet, AMD Drivers (and Intel) are 10000% better than Nvidia on Linux.
Because AMD Linux drivers are open source ;)
My biggest problem with AMD drives is Windows 11 will replace them with their own drivers with out notification and obvious workarounds don't work. I have to do group policy edits registry edits and enter command in the console. This should have been automatically done by the installation software
You can use DDU to stop Windows from updating drivers.
I think the worst issue I've had with an AMD GPU was weird behavior within Oculus Home when the menus were bouncy. Beside that though, they're pretty good cards for their value. Having experienced 680m vs. 7970m and the 880m vs. R9 m290x, I've spotted issues on both card types across the years. Now using an RX6800m for PCVR and it doesn't disappoint :).
Curious, are you able to play VR games that run on the Unity engine? Like Phasmophobia or VRchat?
I went out of my way to get an Nvidia 3080 because I had heard that AMD, in general, couldn't reliably run VR games that use the Unity game engine and was having issues with some VR applications in general
@@basilbyers5066 I do not have Phasmaphobia, but I do hop into VRChat or NeosVR rather often. I haven't had issues with them whatsoever when it comes to using my current laptop.
I recently upgraded from an RTX 3070 to an RX 6900XT. I had the 3070 for around 4 months and never experienced any issues or crashes related to the gpu. After upgrading to a 6900XT, my PC started crashing relatively often. I initially thought it to be a power supply or cable issue since it only happens when I play games, but I determined that's not the case. Usually after 1+ hours of gaming, sometimes more, sometimes less, my screen will go black, and my system will reboot. Note, the system will reboot, and I will hear windows boot chime letting me know my system is on and posted, but I will get no signal to my monitor. Additionally, my PC sometimes power cycles after I turn it off and turn it back on again. I don't know if this is a driver issue, I don't really know what it could be. I don't think it's a hardware issue, and sure hope it isn't. It doesn't always happen which is what made me think it isn't a hardware issue, but rather, a software issue. For example, one time my PC crashed after about 20-30 minutes of playing Forza Horizon 5, but another time I played Hogwarts Legacy for 3+ hours straight with 0 breaks and had no issues whatsoever. I have tried undervolting and underclocking, not by large margins since I didn't want to mess anything up, but that didn't work. (-25-50 volts and/or -100 mhz) If anyone has any ideas on what the issue could be please let me know, thanks.
did u do a DDU for driver since u are switching from RTX to XT
@@FlameIce87 yeah I’ve done multiple clean driver uninstalls then installs
@@giganticjasper5604 even if u don't OC/UV, it would crash? I guess either some hardware or software doesn't sync well with your new RT card
@@FlameIce87just AMD software being shit. Which it objectively is. This is why you never go AMD.
I recently built a pc for myself with the 7900xtx. The first week I was having serious problems. Every so often ( never happened while playing) happens when doing something simple like opening a browser after playing a game. After updating and uninstalling and reinstalling and yelling at the graphics card everything works just fine and I haven’t crashed since I yelled at it. True story.
Well - just returned a RX 7900 XTX, since it practically did not work with VR at all which was the main purpose upgrading for me. It doesn’t make sense to wait for a driver for 6 months before a fix if VR is what I’m doing.
Of course VR users will buy the most potent GPU’s, and i just can’t believe that they would launch their “flagship” card without telling anyone about these major issues. People in the forums on AMDs site are pissed in the VR threads…
Hey, what VR headset did you use?
I can tell you, I've used a 5700XT since 2020 with the 20.8.3 drivers to start and AMD drivers have been fine.
The only issues I've had are games made with Nvidia SDKs that utilize CUDA opcode and API calls that don't offer any DirectCompute or OpenCL alternative fallbacks until they're patched, and then things smooth out.
I've even used older cards like the HD 5770 with the 15.x.x series drivers and they've never had issues either except with, once again, CUDA using games.
Otherwise, AMD drivers have been great for me.
I've even used the AMD AMF codec with OBS both before the recent optimized fix up and after, and AMF has never been problematic or have I had any real quality issues.
Been having issues with my 6900xt for almost a year now. I'm sure having dual monitors has something to do with it as well. I've tried everything. 22.5.1 driver runs the best but can't run newer games with it. I didn't think I'd be stressed out over a graphics card/pc. My rx5700 ran great however. I think Covid really screwed the quality of GPU's and software in general. I hate Nvidia's unethical business practices right now, but if prices ever go down, I'll definitely get Nvidia. Even though my issue isn't unique to AMD, it seems to be more consistent with them.
i use a 6700 xt, my second monitor is a drawing tablet. I only had one issue and that was software related to the program on my second monitor.
I rarely use both monitors unless i want to multitask, like playing on the bigscreen while having all my tasks like discord, youtube and so on, on the second one but never had any real issues that you describe.
I always wait for feedback on drivers before installing because ate the time i had and 1060 nvidia launched a drivers that bricked some gpus. Now im with a rx6600 and only if is necessary for a new game
I collect graphic cards, not to leave them in storage, in a box, or to hang on my wall... I build an entire system around them. I have more AM4 based systems than any reviewer no doubt (even Linus). What I have found is that nVIDIA stop tracking issues with older Graphics cards, stop optimizing for them, as well as stop fixing issues. So while nVIDIA claims this support for 3 generations of products, it's simply not true.
Take a GTX 980 Ti and run it with the latest nVIDIA drivers, go back 2 years and run one of those earlier drivers. Run, for example, Witcher 3. Witness the 20-30% performance drop. Same card, same game, same OS, different driver.
Now take a Vega 56 and do the same, performance goes up with time.
This is why I think that the market is odd in that older nVIDIA cards sell more than equivalent AMD ones but the AMD ones are definitely the better buys. Not to mention, AMD graphics cards are equipped with superior components on the PCB (higher quality capacitors, VRMs, MOSFETS, etc., even on reference cards). This means they will last longer and they do. There are less points of failure with AMD.
When to buy nVIDIA? Buy the current generation brand new Graphics cards and run it until the next series is released. If you are this type of person, then nVIDIA is likely the better option.
What I get from this is that nvidia is a bit more open to users and most issues cand be remedied until they update thr driver, whereas with amd you are kinda stuck waiting for the update. Issues are similar to identical.
I have 2 issues
1. In my 3050 laptop that I paid overpriced the nvidia drivers won't let me log in recent problem
2. My desktop with a 12400f and rx 6800, each time I put on sleep mode my fans speed setup resets to default Zero rpm
I really don't know what else to say but meh price performance team
RX 7600, my first graphics card ever, and it is currently bundled with RE4 but I can't redeem my code because the card can't be recognized as RX 7600 by the system, but only as AMD Radeon generic card. It's happening to a few people (I mean not just me) from what I read in the forum but still, no mention of it from AMD, no timeline to fix it and their own support team suggest the crazy step of installing the drivers from their official web page and looks like they are not aware of the issue at all -_-
Only have a nvidia 1660 super atm since september 30th 2020 (best card for the money at the time for 2335 sek or i think 221 usd at the time.)
Due too OpenGL issues in a old game like half-life 1 which with my old r9 280 before it died the summer of 2020 was the main issue i had & also the lack of having upscaling too 4k 60 in VSR for some of my older games from 1997 - 2006.
From briefly messing with that on a gtx 780 i got for free from my older brother that then died like 8 months later after he had issues with it.
Otherwise it was one or two drivers where AMD had DirectX 9 games corrupt, when i owned a hd 6870 in like 2013 - 2014 somewhere i remember just updating the drivers & going into underground 2 & everything looked messed up like the card just started dying on the spot.
Then i found news articles popped up briefly about this beta causing DX9 issues & i hopped back too like 14.4 or whatever it was i used previously.
Was affecting both the hd 7000 series & hd 6000 series cards i know that.
Nvidia had no working sli driver for over a year with win vista.
you guys forgot that?
Not sure if you added in NVidia "Hot Fixes" into the number of drivers released.
Had vega56, replaced it 2 days ago with 6700xt.
No issues with drivers, flawless experience feels so great
Faster than Nvidias cards and cheaper with 300 euros..............
rocks at 1440p at in some games more than double the fps vs old card (5 years old so).
This video reminded me of that line from one of the 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' series about the infamous Sirius Cybernetics Corporation -- "It is very easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of [their products] by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all. In other words-and this is the rock solid principle on which the whole of the Corporation's Galaxy-wide success is founded-their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws."
well, i've owned multiple nvidia gpu's and have never experienced the issues i've had with my only amd gpu i ever owned ... hours of trying to get my rx6600 to work and pnly to give me flickering, overly saturated colors, black screens, no signal screens ... after my horrid experience with amd i went back to nvidia and spend $100 more on a rtx3060 because it just worked with windows automatically downloading and installing drivers without an issue ... i tried to give amd a chance with their gpus, but the driver issues was too much for me... and' i'm not an amd basher because i've owned more amd cpu's than intel, and i've never had issues with either cpu .. but when it comes to gpus', i'm sticking with nvidia
In mid 2022 I overhaul all of my parts from Intel & NVIDIA to complete AMD rig, so far I had no significant major issues except driver problem with my RX 6600 XT, but I managed to fix it by using a custom/modded NimeZ driver instead of using standard WHQL AMD driver, it also boost the performance a bit and makes my PC more snappier, can't be more happy than this 😁
I bought a Asrock RX 6700 XT last year. All was going well until last month. I updated my driver and the card no longer works with ANY driver.
I have tried installing the earliest AMD driver available to the card and still won't work. However if I use Microsoft display driver (no driver) it works. But I can't play some games.
Did you update your chipset driver?
@@sajithsaji3606 Yes.
@@BLKBRDSR71 did you use ddu before updating drivers ?
@@sajithsaji3606 Yep. Full uninstall and shutdown.
I've had idle power draw issues on my laptop (RTX 3070).
You are forgetting something very important to the whole "amd drivers sucks reputation" a lot comes from way before that timeframe you provided, in the past, amd drivers was terrible, it was not like today or even 5 years ago, and a lot of that bad rep sicks even to this day. The truth is pretty much what your pointed out in this very well done video. Amd driver team improved a lot in the last decade, hope by continuing doing that, the old bad rep goes away.
they need to step up their marketing too
My experience with ATI, yes it’s been a long time, drivers being back goes back to 4 way Crossfire 5870’s, that was a nightmare
I had a rx5600xt and now a rx6700xt and I have had some issues but nothing drastic. I mainly use my rig to game.
The last time I had a game breaking AMD Driver issue was when well... Using a card made before AMD even owned Radeon. If I recall right, I was running a Radeon 9250, went to play Titan Quest, and once I loaded into the game world, the entire ground and almost all objects were simply black. Never had issues with an HD 6950, HD 7770, RX 580, and now, though only a bit over a week, an RX 6700 XT. My brother however did have some issues briefly with his RX 5700 if I recall.
I've used some Nvidia cards along the way as well, I just came from a 1660 Super, and to be fair, I've never really experienced any serious issues with Nvidia either. The one thing I did notice in more recent years, was AMD cards I got tend to be much bigger than Nvidia, and often ran at higher temps, but... The 6700 XT I'm running right now, although bigger than the 1660 Super I had, is running at pretty similar temps, sometimes cooler. The fact I got a new case, and new case fans, could play a role in that, but I can't say for certain.
In the end, both AMD and Nvidia have served me well. I simply buy w/e offers me the best bang for the buck at the time.
I think using the "number of issues fixed" metric is a fundamental flaw with your reasoning though - That only assumes that both companies are fixing issues at the same rate, which we don't know is true? I don't think you can derive the total amount of issues by just how many have been fixed.
I have the 6700xt. I had to disable chrome hardware acceleration because youtube and twich did not work ok on my second monitor. I had to disable amd freesnc because it messed up my monitor setting. Sometimes the image just freezes and i have to hard restart the pc. In shot i disabled all funtions in amd software and now it seems to work fine. I had Nvidia before with 0 problems. I had the 1060 for 6 yers and drives worked flawlessly. PS I still have some artifact problems in windows 11 now. There are minor but present.
Been having the same issues.. I have rx5700xt and got the option to get 2080 for 30 USD diff.. and I am switching to nvidia again
One thing which I think is crucial should have been covered in this video, the actual experience when updating uninstalling or reinstalling the drivers
Nvidia has GeForce experience which forces you to create an account, 'optimizes' games without consent and is overall buggy when updating the drivers
AMD has much better software as they don't have a seperate control panel, instead everything is just in one program
Monitoring and upgrading to newer drivers is much better with AMD software
Other than that, great video, amazing job.
They’re both equally shit in terms of what their main job is but radeons software is so much more shit that i had to uninstall it when i had a 5700xt because for some reason it would bug out my games and drop my frames to two if not crashing them.. i had this problem with my r9 290 too although my r9 290 was a lot more stable and only had driver issues related directly to the radeon software on gta v (closing it in the task manager also fixed the problem but doing that over and over again is not fun)
I think I purchased my AMD RX 6500 XT OC one year and a half. Until today I got no problems with it. The lowest fps is some games with everything in high is 59 fps and some games they run from 99 to 110 frames per second with everything in high or ultra. I got 32gig vengeance ram at 3200 and AMD Ryzen 7 5700G. But the only people I heard with crashes are the ones that overclock the ram or cpu or gpu.
I would advise you to visit these two issues on AMD for how long they have been open.
1) High idle power has situationally been observed when using select high-resolution and high refresh rate displays on Radeon™ RX 7000 series GPUs.
2) Video stuttering or performance drop may be observed during gameplay plus video playback with some extended display configurations on Radeon™ RX 7000 series GPUs.
#2 is a problem with hardware acceleration. Disabling it seems to fix the problem.
wouldn't a broken treadmill cause you to leave it very quickly thus still be moving?
Amds issues seem to be mostly compatibility related. There’s no doubt the internet is flooded with videos and threads about how to hot fix and troubleshoot things as simple as a hdmi cable causing black screens.
From my past experience, ONLY 2, I have one GTX 1080 for about 6 years, it was working perfectly until october 2021, for some reason that no one, in any forum can explain if I update the driver for any version higher than 472 my windows just crash, I already changed motherboards, changed processors, RAM, SSD, changed from windows 10 to 11, I have done many clean install and nothing, so after 1.5 year due to this bad experience I decided to change to AMD now I own an RX 6900XT and so far so good, let's see how it ages, but from my ONLY 2 experiences NVIDIA is the one that gave most headaches.
I have tried both my first gpu was a 5600xt a few years ago when i first got into pc gaming. I have had way more issues on amd gpus. Just the weirdest things like my 3080 ftw3 with 450watt bios worked perfectly fine but my 6950xt red devil had constant crashes. Changing the psu fixed the problems for the red devil but it worked perfectly on my my 3080 ftw3 overclocked and the 6950xt would shut down even when i lowerd the power to -10.
I can't really figure what is wrong with my pc. It just randomly crashes while browsing the web with 2 or 3 tabs open. It also has been crashing when running 3DMark. No blue screen or anything just complete screen freeze and keyboard and mouse do nothing. I have a 5950x, 7900 XTX, 32GB DDR4, and a corsair 10000w psu. It's getting to the point of me just tossing all thos crap in the trash.
I'll take the 7900 xtx. But really have you done a fresh install? How many sticks of ram does that 32gb consist of?
Blue Screen is rather not related to gpu. Do a bios update first, and check pure stock settings without xmp profile. If this helps you, then you need to increase the voltage of the xmp/expo profile. It helped me
@@sategllib2191 4x8 DDR4 3200 18-16-16-38 I think 🤔
@Tomasz Kaczor should I just set ram to default 2133mhz and see if the problem is repeatable?
@@05DonnieB Yes. Just to be sure, update your bios too.